Astrology and More

This entry is part 13 of 50 in the series 2011A

About time to catch up on questions:
Tom Wrote:
If a master were to overshadow someone will the original person (being overshadowed) have new gifts, talents, hobbies from the master or no new hobbies, but his skills and talents enhanced?

JJ
Think of it this way.  If you have a new super smart roommate move in with you does this make you smarter than you were before or increase your talents?  Not really, but it does give you some access to the guy’s intelligence if he is willing to share.

Ruth:
JJ, I have another question.
“56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid forgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to rejoice.”

Does this paragraph relate to a past life thing? It seemed out of context with the rest of what was being said, unless God already knew that Joe would be unfaithful?

JJ
This related to his life at that time and not his past.

First, we do not know for sure how much of the final revelation was actually written by Joseph and secondly he was believed to have had quite a few plural relationships by the time he wrote the first draft and this was said to have caused a grievance in Emma.

Stephen writes:
On that page you have linked to Ruth, I have got to ask, is God a Lawyer? No 7 reads:

7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

Phew!!!! Amen

JJ
There is a correct principle given here and that is “All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations,” are generally dissolved at death.  Then when we are reborn we start with a clean slate.  Since you will generally have no recollection of any obligation from a past life you will not be bound by it.

The Mormons are in illusion when they think they made promises before they were born that they now have to keep.  If you cannot remember a promise then you are not bound by it; therefore, people do not make promises unless they can keep them in their consciousness.

There are two exceptions to this. The first is if your commitment from a past life was somehow related to or caused karma. In this case you will have to pay it off and may be forced toward fulfilling a commitment that you cannot even remember.

The second is if the commitment had a powerful emotion behind it.  This could be love or hate.  Powerful emotion carries over into future lives.  Have you met someone who you were instantly attracted to or repelled from?  You probably had feelings about them in a past life.

Now it’s remotely possible that an advanced brotherhood could make some type of link by decree or a granted priesthood of some kind but I doubt that this is what happened.

Here is what would be more likely to be the case. Spiritual love is the strongest binding force in human existence.  A spiritual teacher can recognize this binding force and acknowledge to the couple that their relationship will continue beyond death.  However, this continuation will happen not because the teacher decreed or approved it but because of the binding power of love.

In addition the Molecular Relationship (which is not yet established) can create relationship which will draw souls together in future lives.

Rob:
If peoples’ personalities can be affected by the thoughtform centered around the old zodiac, then won’t newborns be affected by the new zodiac since mass-thought is now centered around it?

JJ
I’m not sure what you mean by an old and new zodiac.  There is just one zodiac that is used by astrologers.

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14 thoughts on “Astrology and More

  1. JJ wrote:

    “… we do not know for sure how much of the final revelation was actually written by Joseph and secondly he was believed to have had quite a few plural relationships by the time he wrote the first draft and this was said to have caused a grievance in Emma.”

    Just learned something pertaining to this. There is a document, Historical Record 6 (http://books.google.com/books?id=Is1LAAAAMAAJ&ots=i8d1v8TwoB&dq=historical%20record%20andrew%20jenson&pg=PA219#v=onepage&q&f=false) that contains statements from some of Joseph’s alleged plural wives about Emma’s supposed reaction to polygamy. These statements claim that Emma supported Joseph’s other marriages up to the time in which Section 132 was said to be first recorded (July of 1843). They also claim that Emma attended their weddings to Joseph and taught others the new principle. According to these women, Emma was the model plural wife. It should be noted that the wives’ statements were published in response to Emma’s published denial that Joseph ever taught polygamy – some 25+ years later.

    If Emma was such a supporter, as is claimed, why in the world would D&C Section 132 warn Emma that if she doesn’t embrace the new commandment, she would be destroyed. Wouldn’t her faithfulness receive praise, instead of a scary scolding? As pointed out by someone much smarter then me, this scolding then seems to be a reaction to how she was behaving all these years later, indicating that at least part of 132 was written much later then Brigham claimed. (My view is that there may have been a revelation but that it was greatly embellished later on to put a stamp of legitimacy on their brand of polygamy.) Some readers may also not be aware of the court case, known as the Temple Lot Case regarding this very thing! The judge ruled that there was not sufficient evidence to prove this particular revelation came from Joseph Smith. I recommend reading the case’s transcripts to those interested in more details about this sort of thing 🙂

  2. Larry W
    Thank you so very much, JJ, for using your astrology skill on our behalf. I feel like I got significant insight from this. I love the shortened version based upon only the strongest influences and not watered down by endless nuance.

    JJ
    Thanks,
    A computer reading can be 40 pages long, but because it analyzes the individual placements rather than the whole and interactions, it is not very accurate. It makes it sound like the influence of Pluto is as powerful as the sun whereas it is much less.

    There are hundreds of influences in a chart and they all interact. A good astrologer will look at three major things while interpreting. First he will look at the chart as a whole and secondly the three major influences (the sun, moon and rising sign) and finally how the other influences interact with their major two or three influences.

    For instance, if your Mercury is in Libra your computer reading will analyze this as an isolated influence, but to understand it you have to examine its aspects, or close relationship to other planets. Maybe it is only 2 degrees away from Mars, which means you will have to interpret these two influences as if they were two partners working together.

    In addition you have to take in consideration which of the twelve houses each planet is in and was it in the night sky or daytime sky?

    By concentrating on the three most powerful influences we can get a snippet which is reasonably accurate, but, of course, the main reason for doing this was to reveal the importance of the rising sign as noted by DK because this gives an indication of the lesson in life to be learned. That information can be as important as everything else in the chart combined.

  3. Matthew
    Matthew’s sun is in Taurus, an earth sign, so being practical and grounded
    will be where his natural personality is centered. The Taurus personality
    appreciates the finer things in life and appreciates quality wherever he finds
    it.

    Your moon is in Capricorn. This will direct your emotional energies toward
    determination and self discipline to achieve your goals.

    Your rising sign is Leo which means your lesson is centered around self
    discovery and fulfillment. Find what really makes you happy and do it.

    Stu – Larry’s Brother
    Sun in Pisces
    His personality will be emotional and idealistic, always attempting to work off
    the rough edges and improve himself.

    His moon in Aquarius will instill within him a strong sense of freedom and to
    not be controlled by other people yet a desire to work in groups or to serve or
    assist those in harmony with him.

    His rising sign is Virgo, which means his lesson is around discovering his
    nurturing and caring side and transmute it to helping and serving others.

  4. JJ’s Quote for the Day

    Conscious Creation

    “All lives pass through the human kingdom at one time or another and consciously create until fullness of joy is achieved. Then we move on and leave normal consciousness behind and identify more fully with the Life principle and BECOME through a principle of Identification rather than Consciousness. Once this is achieved we lose interest in being a direct participator in the construction of physical form and work from a point of initiating and directing ideas that are the basis of conscious creation for us lowly humans.”

    http://www.freeread.com/archives/476.html

    Copyright 1999 by J.J. Dewey, All Rights Reserved

  5. Tom Wrote:
    If a master were to overshadow someone will the original person (being overshadowed) have new gifts, talents, hobbies from the master or no new hobbies, but his skills and talents enhanced?

    JJ
    Think of it this way. If you have a new super smart roommate move in with you does this make you smarter than you were before or increase your talents? Not really, but it does give you some access to the guy’s intelligence if he is willing to share.

    Tom
    Tom: If the master was a roommate and he share his intelligence as a tutor for science and languages (like being tutored in science and French by this master) then one may learn a language faster or learn science faster only if he is willing to share his intelligence, but it not me that learning it on my own.He is sharing his knowledge with me. Is this correct and no new talents will come about or increase?

    1. Notice the words “access” and “willing to share”.

      “…..but it does give you some access to the guys intelligence
      if he is willing to share”.

      When the Christ overshadowed Jesus or Jesus had a Divine possession, it meant that Jesus had “access” to the Christ’s intelligence, when the Christ shared that intelligence with him, plus Jesus received the “word” which was used in restoration of physical bodies and healing, however, Jesus would not have been able to do any of those miracles, if he had no access to the Christ’s intelligence, and the same goes for the Disciples. Because Jesus and the Disciples could all drink from the same fountain of higher intelligence and all had soul infusion, then they were able to access higher intelligence.

      Jesus spent many years being schooled in ancient Wisdom, before the Master infused with Him via higher mind.

      So this shows me that a Master does not overshadow the average human being, but can overshadow those that have prepared their hearts and mind and have expanded their consciousness which also expands their intelligence so they are able to access and understand what the Master is teaching or impressing upon their minds.

      Ruth

      1. Ruth or JJ,

        JJ said that a master is like a roommate who can share his intelligence. And I already know one must be ready for it, but is the master like a super smart roommate who tutors the disciple?
        It sound like it to me!!!! Is this like the master tutoring the student in metaphysics when the student is able to learn from it? If Jesus could do miracles it sounds like the Christ Tutored him in metaphysics and methods of wisdom and healing’s because their no way the Christ could make Jesus smarter unless he shared his intelligence like that or something to that effect. Is this correct? It sorta of like having your own tutor as long as Jesus was a straight A student.
        Tom

        1. Tutoring is not the purpose of an overshadowing but the purpose is to complete or start a work. The basic talent and ability to perform have to already be in place. The Master is there to assist.

    2. Larry Woods says,

      I wanted to learn how to record music on separate tracks so I could control the output better. Most music we hear on the radio gets formed this way. So I bought Adobe Audition and I bought, for a lot of money, some hardware to hook up to it. But I could not get the hardware to talk to my computer and I could only do a few very basic things with Audition. Then I rented a room to a guy with a lot of experience in this stuff. He showed me his setup and I began to learn many thing I did not know before. Now I got my hardware working and I learned Audition had far more depth than I realized before. In fact, now I see that Audition is a master level tool that goes as deep as you want to take it. After using it several years I see I’ve only scratched the surface. Now I want to learn about midi and some other details but I’m not physically near my former teacher so I’m looking online for info. But the point is that just rubbing shoulders with a real sound engineer boosted me ahead dramatically.

      Somewhere in the Bible it says ‘The spirits of the Prophets are subject unto the Prophets’. I take this to mean that, when we learn how to use a spiritual gift or a hardware gift or a software gift, we end up with control of that gift. I learned some stuff about guitar – a little here, a little there. Now I control when and how I use the guitar including that new info I got from each source. Horses can walk and even run within a few hours of birth. Humans, on the other hand, do not fully control their walking and running until roughly age 18. But they have full control over it in every detail if they choose to spend their time with it! Increased personal control of something goes hand in hand with increased complexity. You can drive a car by merely understanding the surface controls. But you can also study cars and build them yourself and get into the complex issues of cars and gain deeper control – if you want to. When a Dad teaches his son to throw a baseball, the kid can learn faster. But the kid still has to learn it for himself or else the Dad would always have to show up to throw the ball for the kid whenever and where ever the kid wanted. This would not work. When a Master teaches some skill, the student must learn it for his or her self. You will never enjoy the full use of any skill until you “make it your own”. This reminds me of the born-again religionists who think of Heaven as a type of Disneyland. They seem to think of heaven as a physical location. They think if God places them there then they will be happy. But the truth is that happiness depends upon many factors, only one of which is physical location and that one factor is really only a minor one. Happiness results instead mostly from character factors which the disciple must painstakingly develop within his or her self. So I think that learning from a master spiritual teacher is a lot like learning from a master sound engineer. It can boost you ahead as quickly as you are willing and able to absorb the teaching.

      When it comes to learning spiritual skills, I think it mostly works on the same principles as more mundane lessons. For example, I learned about hypnotism as a youth. I even envied those who could use self hypnosis to control pain, enhance memory, enhance physical performance, and many other enhancements. But did I get interested enough to learn it and to practice its use so these skills became available to me? No. The simple fact is that just knowing about it is not enough. We must put in the time and effort to build any skill – even if we have a good teacher available. I think JJ did an interesting thing by instructing us to go find a likely stone and begin fooling around with it to see if we could get any “seer stone” reactions. Isn’t this an interesting way to teach? Young Joseph Smith Jr. found a seer stone and proceeded to fool around with it. He eventually gained a reputation in his neighborhood as the guy who could help you find lost items. How many Mormon parents would have a conniption if they thought one of their kids was “fooling around” with a potential seer stone? But JS Sr. had no problem with JS exploring such things. Right at this moment we all have a wonderful potential to learn about seer stones. If we take JJ up on his classroom assignment to ‘fool around’ with a seer stone, then he could follow up with some key guidance. I’m racking my brain how to find a potential seer stone so I can take advantage of JJ’s offer to teach about this. At the Super-Mall, near where I used to live in Washington, a specialty store sold various stones from all around the world which were sold simply for their beauty. But, if I were there now, I would go there to see if I resonated with any particular stone so I could mess with it and then get feedback from JJ. I have my own reasons for believing JJ can offer some real insight on use of seer stones. I will make a serious attempt to take JJ up on his offer to teach about seer stones. We’ll see.

      You originally asked, Tom, a question about absorbing skills from an ascended Master in an overshadow experience. Keep in mind we have many masters here among us of many diverse skills. I learn a lot just reading the dialog here at Keysters. It comes from people with mastery in a variety of subjects. I joined Goodreads dot com. JJ posts his ratings for books he reads there. I’ve long been deeply impressed with JJ’s depth of understanding on spiritual issues as well as political and other issues. Now, seeing the quality and quantity of books he reads, I see that most of his expertise comes from a lot of concentrated effort on each subject to “make it his own”. Jefferson once said that people call him a genius but they did not realize that what they called genius was really just the product of many years of hard work. Yet rubbing shoulders with a master in any subject from time to time can boost us ahead – especially if we do our homework. As E. Joseph Kossman once said, “Luck is where preparation meets opportunity.”

      Your brother,
      Larry Woods

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