Ye are Gods

May 21, 2019May 21, 2019 Joseph Dewey

Ye Are Gods

I have been getting comments of concern from an LDS reader as to how my teachings harmonize with the new age thinking and Mormonism.

In many cases the philosophy between Mormonism and New Age is not that far apart. The difference is largely in background and how terms are defined. One real difference is that New Agers are willing to consider most any teaching whereas the Fundamentalist Christian generally will only explore teachings that are in harmony with his interpretation of scripture. Alas, if he then misinterprets scripture he may wind up rejecting the truth merely because he refuses to explore and consider new thoughts and doctrines.

One of the main things that seem to be of concern is the New Age view of God to which many on the group adhere. For us to understand religious concern we must first understand the Mormon view of man becoming God.

In a nutshell Mormons believe that we all evolved from a primeval state called “intelligence” through some type of Spirit existence where we were nurtured by God and finally we wind up here on earth in mortal bodies.

The next step is to obtain immortality and move onward to become like the Father (and many believe Mother) God who has nurtured us through existence.

They quote Joseph Smith as saying: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man…That is the great secret…God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ did.”

Another Mormon authority said: “As man is God once was and as God is man may become.”

They thus believe that God sits enthroned somewhere in a physical body in one location and is not omnipresent. They see His influence as being everywhere but not his actual presence because of confinement in a physical body. They also see the Holy Ghost as being in a human form, but having a spirit body. Even though he is in one body the church has never attempted to explain how millions of people can receive him at the same instant. This is nebulously explained as receiving his influence also.

When the scriptures teach of the oneness of God the Mormons see this as many Gods who are one in purpose.

Thus when the Mormons hear New Agers and others speak of a universal God who is omnipresent they feel we do not understand the hierarchy of Gods.

When the scriptures speak of being one with God they do not see this as a oneness as in one life. Instead they see being one with God as agreeing with the purpose of God and thinking as He thinks – a little like two business people who agree on the business plan.

Thus when a Mormon reads about any metaphysical concept of God they believe that we do not have the “modern revelation” that they have and we have a misconstrued belief.

May I present to you the idea that it is the Mormons who are missing revelatory details and not the students of metaphysics?

If we take the pure teachings of Joseph Smith on the concept they are in complete harmony with metaphysical teachings. Basically enlightened (not all new agers are enlightened) new agers embrace the teachings of Joseph Smith. Here is a summation of how the two philosophies are the same.

“The essence of man never had a beginning and has evolved from a primeval state through spiritual spheres and finally into human physical form. There is a being of very high estate who is as a God over this planet and this great being is nurturing us to be come as he is. What this being is, is what we will be in the far future. This being, however, is not the highest God. He once dwelt upon an earth like this as a mortal and had a God over him. This God (the one over our God) is now even higher than the Ancient of Days who now presides as Father God over this earth. Thus the God over this planet has a god over him who has a god over him who has a god over him and so on up the line.”

Now the interesting thing is that the above statement could be presented as either a Mormon belief or a typical metaphysical belief of Alice A. Bailey readers. The only difference is that sometimes new agers use a little different vocabulary. Sometimes they use “Master” instead of the word God in this context.

Whereas the Mormons think the New agers are lacking a piece to the puzzle, the truth is the other way around, for metaphysical students already embrace the Mormon piece but add additional pieces.

What are these additional pieces?

(1) Whereas the Mormons believe that all the Gods (Masters) are confined to physical bodies (even though no revelation states this) new age revelation teaches that the Masters have overcome death and have power to manifest in the physical, but the higher Gods (Masters) only use the physical body, or form, to manifest in the lower worlds. There are higher worlds where a physical body is not needed and this vehicle becomes temporarily unmanifested to enter these formless worlds

There are three worlds of form where we manifest in a body of form. These are the physical (the Mormon telestial), the astral (telestial) and the worlds of mental matter (celestial).

Now the Ancient Wisdom teaches that there are worlds above the celestial. The interesting thing is that even though most Mormons believe the Celestial is the highest the Mormon scriptures themselves teach the same thing and states that there is a “higher order of kingdoms” than the celestial. This higher order of kingdoms is revealed in the teachings of Alice A. Bailey.

(2) The Gods (Masters) are indeed one in purpose as the Mormons teach, but the oneness goes beyond that. They are also part of the one life that pervades the universe. When the God consciousness is reached then a person becomes a Master of the physical world of causes and obtains an awareness that he is merely a cell in a greater body which is the One True God.

All of us are a part of the body of God, but we do not realize it. When we do obtain this “higher consciousness” then we consciously become aware of other cells in the body and the body of God as a whole to an evolving extent.

If one were of such consciousness that he could be aware of the whole body of God he would have to leave the physical body far behind. This is also verified by Joseph Smith:

“Wherefore, no man can behold all my works, except he behold all my glory; and no man can behold all my glory, and afterwards remain in the flesh on the earth.” Moses 1:5

Such a consciousness would be so high that one would have to leave behind the idea of manifesting in physical form again on not only this earth, but any earth. The only way for such a master to so manifest again would be to lose his memory and identity of his high consciousness.

(3) The thing that really bothers Mormons (as well as most standard Christians) about the new age view of God is the belief that we are gods right now; whereas Mormons believe we are becoming Gods. Let us again substitute the word “Master” for God and then we see that both camps believe that we are becoming Masters (Gods) and eventually we will become like the Master (Father God) that presides over this planet.

When a metaphysical student says he is God or one with God Mormons have to realize that this is a totally different doctrine than the Mormon concept of Man becoming God, but completely in harmony with it.

The metaphysical concept is actually more in harmony with the teachings of Joseph Smith than the Mormons are.

He said over and over that if a thing has a beginning it must, as God lives, have an end and if something did not have a beginning then it will have no end. There is no such thing as a beginning with no end. See History of the Church Vol. 6; pg 311

Therefore according to Joseph Smith “as God lives” if there is a beginning to being a God there will be an end. I know of no Mormon who teaches this, but to not do so is to disagree with their founder.

The only way we can be gods forever is if we have already been gods forever. As a cell in the body of the Eternal God we realize this is true when we gain a realization that we are a reflection (in the image) of God and have always existed as co-equal with the one God.

This is in harmony with another statement of Joseph which most Mormons ignore or believe he misspoke: “The mind or the intelligence which man possesses is co-equal with God himself. I know my testimony is true.” History of the Church Vol. 6; pg 310

If our intelligence is then “co-equal” with God this doctrine is indeed in harmony with the ancient wisdom which teaches that man is “co-equal” with God and as such has always been God. We are just Gods who do not realize who we really are.

This agrees with both the old and new testament. First David said:

“Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” Psalms 82:6

Finally arrogant young Jesus angered the Jews by teaching the oneness of God and man. As they tried to stone him he asked them what he had done wrong. They answered: “For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” (John 10:33-36)

The angry Jews immediately saw here that the doctrine that man and God are one means that man is God. They called this blasphemous just as many religious people today still do. Jesus, however, courageously rebuked them and reminded them that men were called Gods in the Old Testament scriptures and the scripture “cannot be broken”.

This kind of talk only infuriated the Jews more and Jesus had to escape for his life from the midst of their anger.

Notice the scripture says: “Ye are Gods,” not “ye shall become Gods.”

Jesus realized that we are indeed created in the image of God and as such are already like our creator, which creator of our original intelligence is the One God beyond time and Space and as reflections we have within us all the attributes of the original one God, even though this is unrealized by normal human consciousness.

Perhaps, if Jesus were here with us now he would say again: “ye are Gods,” but add: “and ye are becoming Masters by knowing God which is knowing yourself.”

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 7

May 22, 2017May 22, 2017 Joseph Dewey

This entry is part 7 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 2

The book is not about predicting the future. The book has nothing to do with predicting the future of the planet. There are several correspondences in there that predict certain cycles and events that repeat themselves from time to time but that is not the main purpose of the book. The main purpose of the book is what is given in the first verse, is the unveiling of Jesus Christ to show His disciples things, which must shortly come to pass.

And blessed he that readeth and keepeth the words of this prophesy and keep those things which are written there in within their hearts.

So who was he talking to? He was talking to disciples who read and study this and the things that will shortly come to pass is the unveiling of Jesus Christ which will shortly come to pass in the life of the disciples. That is what the whole book is about. The unveiling of Jesus Christ in the life of the disciple that reads this and keeps these things in his heart. So why didn’t John speak clearly about this? Why didn’t he just say that this was all symbolism about the path the disciple leads that unveils the life of Jesus Christ within him? Why didn’t he just say that?

Audience: He knew they would destroy it. Blasphemy.

JJ: Right because the church would destroy it because even in the early times the church had a hard time accepting the statement of Jesus when He told the Jews, “Ye are gods.” That is what He told them, ye are gods, He says you criticize me because people say that I am a Son of God, and it says “a” Son of God not “the” Son of God. What is interesting about that is that your own scriptures say, “Ye are gods.” That is a lot bigger deal to say ye are gods than for anyone to say that I am a Son of God. It is a lot bigger deal to say ye are gods so what is the big deal if I say that I am one of the sons of god? And what did they do to him after He said that to them? They picked up stones to throw at Him and he had to get out of there. He made them so mad that they immediately picked up stones to throw at Him.

So what the book is really about is the unveiling, the unfolding Jesus Christ in the life of the disciple. In other words, it starts out telling the person of the unfolding of the Christ consciousness as he goes through the first initiation and unfolds the life of Christ within his heart. He then goes through a second initiation and the third where he undergoes the principle of baptism and then on until he becomes like the Christ Himself. Then it goes into what the disciple can do after he becomes like the Christ. So it really talks about three stages, the first stage is a letter to the churches and the letters to the churches unfolds the disciple as to the steps he takes to become a higher initiate. These are the seven stages of progression represented by the seven churches.

The second part is where the heavens are open and this signifies a higher consciousness. He has a higher consciousness and begins to undergo the third initiation where has the heavens open to him and he is able to see what he has never been able to see before. Then it unfolds how he treads the path to become like his master The Christ. The third part tells about the work of a Messiah, of a Christed One and what type of work he will do and the things that will happen as he proceeds on his work and it ends with the consummation of the building of the New Jerusalem.

So why did John write it this way, like it was going to be the end of the world? Because he knew that the people who were going to be putting together the scriptures loved the end of the world stuff. Do people still love the end of the world stuff?

Audience: Yes

JJ: Every year or so there is a new prophesy that the world is going to end. Because we had seven planets in alignment this was going to cause the end of world. That happened 1995 or something like that. The world was going to end in the year 2000 because that is the seven thousand years prophesied in scripture and a day with God is like a thousand years and the seventh thousandth year is a rest. So we were going to have the day of the millennium and Y2K was going to be it. Many thought it was going to be the end of the world. Then it came and went and nothing happened.

Right after that they said that planet X was going to hit us anytime. As a matter of fact several people wrote me personal letters asking, “how come you are not preaching about planet X? Aren’t you worried about planet X?” I said, well no planet X is going to show up and they were very offended that I said that. Now no planet X has showed up on time and I think it was supposed to show up in 2004, and in 2005 it still was not here. Planet X was supposed to be a red dwarf.

I remember everyone saying back then when this was being talked about that it was supposed to be here within six months and was going to destroy most of the earth.

I did a little figuring abut how big a red dwarf would have to be and it would have to be bigger than the planet Jupiter and it would have to be within the solar system if it was going to arrived within six months. I said you know it would have to be big enough to be as bright as the planet Venus. If we were to look into the sky right now that’s how bright it would have to be.

I said I do not see any orb up there that is as bright as the planet Venus so it cannot physically get here in time to full fill the prophesy that everybody is making! This is just pure science, and sure enough not only did it not get here but also, it has not shown up at all! I have been a pretty accurate prophet on the Internet because every prophet that makes a prediction, I say it is not going to happen, and it does not happen so I guess I am the one that is the true prophet! (Laughter)

The thing is, is that it is like shooting fish in a barrel. It is real easy to do! Every day a stopped clock is right twice so once in a while somebody makes a prediction that comes true and hopefully I can catch that one so I do not look like a fool. (Laughter)

A lot of people are always predicting a stock market crash within six months and there is an ongoing prediction about that.

There has been an ongoing prediction about an economic collapse since I can remember. It is always floating out there, someone is always making a prediction, but someday there probably will be a collapse, so someday somebody is going to be right and it probably will not be because they are physic but by accident. Somebody is just going to be right and periodically there are small collapses but let us hope there is not a complete collapse.

The most recent prophesy is 2012 the end of the Mayan calendar and many people are predicting the end of the world here. People are getting wiser and I noticed that when they first started talking about it there was a lot of end of world talk. Now the opinion is shifting, they are seeing all these other predictions that predicted the end of the world have not happened. Many people are changing the prediction around 2012 and saying that it just means the end of the cycle, or the end of something else and it will not be the end of the world.

I think people are waking up to the fact that there have been so many end of the world predictions out there that people are beginning to be a little more cautious about them. The end of the world will not actually come for millions of years but when you think about it we could have a lot of problems in between. We have the threat of a nuclear war and all kinds of things that could create tremendous problems but it is very unlikely that it would be the end of mankind.

So just like today where everybody is interested in the end world so it was in John’s day as well. The Essenes wrote a lot about the end of the world. They were expecting it and they hid out in caves thinking that the end of the world would come and then the Roman Empire would be destroyed and they would come out of their caves and create a new civilization but that of course did not happen.