2000 - WEEK 18 Post No. keys-1: /2000-05-01/14990 From: Subject: Editor's Note: No message Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/14991 From: Sherry Subject: Re: Lost JWK Post: Codes??? RWBH writes: "http://www.bais.nu "The primary revelation of my site and my work is seen in the url.....that the Victorian poet Elizabeth Barrett Browning (petname Ba) was the being speaking in The Book of the Law which was given thru Aleister Crowley in 1906." well, the first chapter is interesting, and I will read more later. I find your style of writing excellent and enjoyable, thank you for posting the link. Aleister Crowley was an interesting man, imo, and who can say how great his mind was, perhaps greater than we'll ever know. He did get involved with alcohol and drugs (so it is said) and those kinds of stimulants and depressants will greatly distort the ability to work with energies, receive impressions, and communicate them to others... again, imo only, but I think we all know we open ourselves up to astral illusion when we dabble with mind altering drugs, etc... "How about you as a sample opinion, Sherry. You probably aren't "an Initiate". since I wouldn't even be able to define an "Initiate", that is most likely true..:-) "I think this stuff is incredibly EASY." yes, well, the easy part is identifying it..the more difficult part comes to putting it to some kind of use that will enhance the spiritual life of all humanity...again, just my opinion "Maybe one really does have to be like a Child to enter the Kingdom....and not an Initiate, after all. " so it is said..:-). You do great work, and I hope you are enjoying yourself, one of the hallmarks of an Initiate, so it is said..:-). Much love sherry Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/14992 From: J J Dewey Subject: Grievances We are just about to wrap up our discussion on health with the discussion on emotion. I would like to keep this as an open subject so when new information or thoughts come up they can be shared. As I said earlier it is very important that all those seeking to serve maintain good health. The Question: Why is "direction" the key word here and how is it to be used to neutralize grievance? How does forgiveness fit in? It is of extreme importance for optimum health to discover any suppressed grievances and to know the difference between general irritation and hurt that comes from close relationship. I would guess that about a third of the health problems that all of us have are either caused by or aggravated by suppression or denial. Let me repeat that there are two main categories of negative emotion: The first is general anger and irritation at events, other people or ourselves when things do not go our way or some type of perceived attack occurs. The second is genuine hurt of grievance apparently inflicted by someone you trust. If a person pulls in front of you in traffic and you find that irritating this belongs in category one. If someone on TV says something inflammatory this belongs in category one. If someone is talking loud in the table next to you in a restaurant and you find this irritating this belongs in category one. If you're hammering a nail and hit your thumb and become angry this belongs in category one. If a list member posts something insulting to you this also would normally belong in category one. Unless you take things way too personally or give away your power to others none of these type of things should cause a grievance in you. The word "grievance" is one used often in the book A Course in Miracles. The course puts a lot of emphasis on overcoming grievance and guilt because they are so detrimental to the progress of the soul. Basically a grievance is a negative package of emotion caused by some hurtful act that builds up inside of you and does not go away by decree, will power or even prayer or meditation. Category one of negative emotion should not cause a grievance to any unless the subject is going out of his way to give away his power. But then as you come into a close and trusting relationship one does yield up emotional energy in a way that does not happen in loose relationships. One of the reasons the power to cause grievance enters in is because in close relationship each of you makes a contribution to the goals of the two in such a way that trust becomes essential because to reach the goal more than your own efforts are needed. Husband and wife are obviously very intertwined in dependency. Let us say, for instance, that they are each making $30,000 a year and their bills and cost of living are close to $60,000 a year. In this situation they are both very dependent on each other's contribution in order to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle. If they did not trust each other when they married they are pretty much forced into trusting each other now. Let us suppose now that the husband gets interested in spiritual teachings of some kid and becomes so enamored by them that he wants all his time free and decides to quit work and spend his whole time on some vision quest. One evening he announces to his wife that he has quit work to become a servant to the world. How would his wife feel? She would feel betrayed because she has trusted him to do his share in their mutual goal she thought they had. In this situation if she is not open with her hurtful emotions she is likely to develop a dangerous suppression. If you are business partners with someone and the other guy ruins the business through carelessness this could cause a grievance because trust is involved again. Forgiveness enters in because it is essential to overcome a grievance. The trouble is that many claim to have forgiven when there has been no forgiveness. Forgiveness doe not occur by merely proclaiming that you have forgiven someone or by the mere announcement that you will not go after retribution. If you say you have forgiven, yet still harbor a grievance then you have forgiven nothing. As long as that negative feeling wells up in your breast forgiveness is still not complete. Sometimes announcing to yourself, your friends or even the person who caused the hurt that you forgive will have no effect on the inner negative emotion. Along with the announcement of forgiveness must come an honest communication to the person perceived to be the cause of hurt feelings and what seemed to cause those feelings. When this communication is complete then true forgiveness can take place and not before. Judes was right about going under the direction of the soul to dispel grievance and Glenys gave another great quote: "Anyone can become angry - that is easy. But to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the right time, for the right purpose, and in the right way - this is not easy'." But the other dimension of the key word of "direction" is that the negative emotion must be given direction so that it will move away from the door to soul contact. If your trusted one hurts you then you must give that hurt direction in harmlessness by the power of open communication. Direct it by the power of your words and communication out and away from your innermost being. The rising above guilt and grievance will be essential for future spiritual group work. If one person in a working group has a grievance or guilt then soul contact for the group as a whole will be greatly diminished. Next we will move on to complete the principles of Discovery and spend some more time on that most important subject of soul contact. Many people seem confused as to what real soul contact is so let us dwell on this again, but with examples for nothing teaches like this principle. Give one or more examples of true soul contact. And Give one or more examples of what is often thought to be soul contact, but is not. If your example is not soul contact what type of contact is it? "Nothing in life is to be feared - only understood." Marie Curie Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All Rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/14993 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: A True Story Jane was a member of a women's spiritual healing circle that met once a week to discuss matters of spirituality and evolution of the soul. She was having marital difficulties with her husband Robert and many times the subject of relationships between male and female were discussed within the circle. Her situation was getting worse and Jane was getting more and more depressed. One week she rang the leader of the circle and told her that she would not be attending this week because she wasn't feeling well enough. She gave her permission to be included in the group prayers for the night. At the meeting, again the subject of relationships came up and people started to discuss quite emotionally their own relationships. The time for prayers came and the circle closed and prayers were said and Love and Light were sent to Jane. Prayers, love and light that were based on the emotions of the circle, the feelings and needs of the members, their sympathies and their issues with their own partners. Jane was at home, alone because Robert had gone out for the evening. She felt the prayers and sat quietly. All the sudden, energised, she stood up and cried out "if only Robert was dead" At that moment Robert's car swerved off the road and crashed into a tree. He was killed instantly. Every member of that woman's spiritual healing circle was culpable because it was their thoughts, their energy that was gathered into the thought form which Jane projected at Robert. Christopher Wynter Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/14994 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: A True Story Christopher Wynter wrote: "Every member of that woman's spiritual healing circle was culpable because it was their thoughts, their energy that was gathered into the thought form which Jane projected at Robert." That statement is about as silly as saying that makers of baseball bats are responsible for the crime if someone murders someone with one. I'm sorry, even if you believe Jane was able to effect something like that, there is only one person responsible: Jane. She "pulled the trigger", so to speak. She could have wished for him to change, to be the loving husband she needed. Instead she wished harm on him. May as well just go back to blaming God for everything. I'm sick and damn tired of hearing people blame their actions on someone/something else. If you commit a crime, **YOU** are responsible for it. There is only one place you need look to place blame, a mirror. The sooner people stop trying to externalize the source of the problem, the sooner the world can begin to heal. Travis Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/14995 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: Re: Lost JWK Post: Codes??? Brian I'm very busy and have neither the time nor inclination to argue with you, especially in this line of communication. Our work is no different in one respect, it either stands or falls on its on merit. I think both you, and I have given the list sufficient information to base any opinion on, or as a basis for soul contact and affirmation, so this discussion between us will stop here, from my side. Thank You In Light, Love, and Power John Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/14996 From: Maryellen Subject: Re: A True Story Travis writes: "I'm sick and damn tired of hearing people blame their actions on someone/something else. If you commit a crime, **YOU** are responsible for it. There is only one place you need look to place blame, a mirror. The sooner people stop trying to externalize the source of the problem, the sooner the world can begin to heal." I agree whole heartedly with this. I am also sick of people ALWAYS blaming someone or something else. It totally lacks in any type of responsibility and honesty. I for one see in this new energy that these 2 qualities are extremely important. The time has come to "introduce" ourselves. Our real selves! Honesty to self and to others means taking responsibility for "everything" in your own life and honesty to present yourself as you are with no hidden agenda. Never ever "fake" being pleasant when inside you are feeling something else. And now with this story, we can begin to see how even the New Agers are attempting to externalize blame. IMHO blaming others for sending the "energy" that helped kill him or blaming Jane is as stupid as blaming an abusive husband for beating you!! In Light, Maryellen Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/14997 From: RWBH Subject: Re: Lost JWK Post: Codes??? Sherry wrote: "RWBH wrote: "The Book of the Law which was given thru Aleister Crowley in 1906." "well, the first chapter is interesting, and I will read more later. I find your style of writing excellent and enjoyable, thank you for posting the link." Thanks. I sincerely appreciate your interest. "Aleister Crowley was an interesting man, imo, and who can say how great his mind was, perhaps greater than we'll ever know. He did get involved with alcohol and drugs (so it is said) and those kinds of stimulants and depressants will greatly distort the ability to work with energies, receive impressions, and communicate them to others... again, imo only, but I think we all know we open ourselves up to astral illusion when we dabble with mind altering drugs, etc..." Aleister Crowley was a scoundral (sp) and a tease and a brilliant occultist and a host of other things. I have never once admonished people to admire or follow the man or his teachings. I do make a great difference between what Crowley thought and pursued versus the material he received from other places and other entities. Most, I find, are almost incapable of retaining any sanity or objectivity or fairness once the name Crowley comes up. Witness John's recent 'attack' or 'denial' of me and my work....simply because it is associated with Crowley. I'm all for altering minds in any way possible/ feasible....since the product of the mind is mostly ego and illusion. But that's just me. "How about you as a sample opinion, Sherry." "You probably aren't "an Initiate". "since I wouldnt even be able to define an "Initiate", that is most likely true..:-)" Then count yourself lucky. "I think this stuff is incredibly EASY." "yes, well, the easy part is identifying it..the more difficult part comes to putting it to some kind of use that will enhance the spiritual life of all humanity...again, just my opinion" I agree with you here 100000%. I am trying to figure out how to make these things of interest and value to humanity. But then I don't put a lot of stock in humanity, either, lol. They do have a history of ignoring truth and murdering its advocates. "Maybe one really does have to be like a Child to enter the Kingdom....and not an Initiate, after all." "so it is said..:-)." "You do great work, and I hope you are enjoying yourself, one of the hallmarks of an Initiate, so it is said..:-)." I find if we don't pull out our swords from time to time they tend to rust rather quickly. It would be great if every true word uttered were automatically perceived and recognized as such; but alas, such is not the case. Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/14998 From: RWBH Subject: Re: Lost JWK Post: Codes??? John: I can understand being too busy. I cannot, however, understand how you can make claim to 'merit' or lack of it...when you pass your judgment based on......................you have never even read my work.......what is your 'merit' of non merit based on???????????????????? I think you've just copped out. John Wayne Kline wrote: "Brian I'm very busy and have neither the time nor inclination to argue with you, especially in this line of communication. Our work is no different in one respect, it either stands or falls on its on merit. I think both you, and I have given the list sufficient information to base any opinion on, or as a basis for soul contact and affirmation, so this discussion between us will stop here, from my side." Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/14999 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: Grievances J J Dewey wrote: "The second is genuine hurt of grievance apparently inflicted by someone you trust. "If a list member posts something insulting to you this also would normally belong in category one. "Unless you take things way too personally or give away your power to others none of these type of things should cause a grievance in you. "Category one of negative emotion should not cause a grievance to any unless the subject is going out of his way to give away his power." Talk about an awakening! Thank you JJ for helping me see that yet again I am giving away my power inappropriately. I have a long history of giving away power much too soon in relationships and can see I did it again. The universe has a way of dishing up my lessons to me until I fully and finally "get it." Thank heavens it was in a more benign way this time (on this list instead of a partner relationship)! Thanks to all who were so patient with me in this lesson. I think I really "get it!" "If you say you have forgiven, yet still harbor a grievance then you have forgiven nothing. As long as that negative feeling wells up in your breast forgiveness is still not complete. Sometimes announcing to yourself, your friends or even the person who caused the hurt that you forgive will have no effect on the inner negative emotion. Along with the announcement of forgiveness must come an honest communication" emotional honesty is such a release--it really works! 'to the person perceived to be the cause of hurt feelings and what seemed to cause those feelings. When this communication is complete then true forgiveness can take place and not before." No matter how much I wanted it, it wasn't forthcoming until I was honest. "But the other dimension of the key word of "direction" is that the negative emotion must be given direction so that it will move away from the door to soul contact. If your trusted one hurts you then you must give that hurt direction in harmlessness by the power of open communication. Direct it by the power of your words and communication out and away from your innermost being. 'The rising above guilt and grievance will be essential for future spiritual group work. If one person in a working group has a grievance or guilt then soul contact for the group as a whole will be greatly diminished." Once again JJ thanks for your words of wisdom. They have really struck a chord with me. "Give one or more examples of true soul contact." For instance on this list when JJ writes something I have soul contact with, it sounds so logical and simple that I wonder why I didn't realize it before. It feels like a key going into a lock that fits perfectly. There is a feeling of rightness, wholeness, peace, serenity and knowing beyond logic. Sometimes it is a feeling in my solar plexus and other times it is centered in my heart and then other times it tingles to the top of my head. "Give one or more examples of what is often thought to be soul contact, but is not." Something that enlarges your personality ego, increasing your selfishness and makes you feel ultimately superior and/or increases your fear. For instance the way many religions or spiritual movements deal with their adherents is to convince them that THIS is the only way and others who do not follow our way are damned in some way. It causes feelings of superiority, especially if you are given a position of responsibility in that religion or movement and fear that if you are removed from that organization that you are in eternal spiritual danger. "If your example is not soul contact what type of contact is it?" Personality, ego or natural man. Susan Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-01/15000 From: RWBH Subject: [Fwd: Mail System Error - Returned Mail] >snipped< I don't like people who cop out and pretend otherwise. I think there is no place on any list for such dishonesty when the truth is what we claim to seek here. How can John make public/ list statements that specifically deny the truth of what I try to present...when he refers not 1% to my work....and has likely never read 1%? I call...I scream out BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPP!! If legitimate members of this list can get away with this sort of slick backstabbing...then I certainly see no reason to remain on this list another day. Is anybody going to step up and grant me my right to 'fair trial' or demand that John either back up his judgements with relevant material....or humbly withdraw his statements against me and admit he was just whistling dixie. I've run his actions 'by my soul'.... and excuse me while I go puke. brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15101 From: J J Dewey Subject: Truth is Out There Jennifer and Phoebe - thanks for drawing attention to this dilemma as soul contact seems to be the desired end of most in the group, yet many are still unclear on it. And John, thanks for your helpful remarks. When I spoke about there being no doubt about soul contact when it happens I was speaking about the disciple who has developed a full channel. Because there are so many who claim to have full contact, when they really have little or no contact and lead others into illusion because of it, I spoke from this angle. Nevertheless, before that sure contact is established you have the "still small voice" which seems very illusive at first, but the contact grows into surety as you follow the inner voice. Its entirely possibly that Phoebe received an impulse through the soul to relocate, but then there are others who receive such instructions through contact with a thought form or high emotional energy. The truth is out there but it is very illusive and that's what makes the game of life so interesting. I'll write more on this soon. "Nothing in life is to be feared - only understood." Marie Curie Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All Rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15102 From: "Darian & B.J." Subject: Remove please Please remove, done with the bickering, way overdone thank you *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:* Because you were bred for humanity and sold to society, one day you wake up in the present day, a million generations, removed from expectations of being who you really be......Skating away on the thin ice of a new day.. so as you push off from the shore wont you turn your head once more and make your peace with everyone. For those who choose to stay, for just one more day, to do the things they should have done Ian Anderson *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:* Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15103 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Diane' question Sherry wrote: "As a newcomer to the list, I am saying that I find remarks like yours to be almost a subtle attack on another list member, and I only mention this because these kind of seemingly innocuous remarks are what can set off a big argument on lists such as this. Perhaps that is what has happened in the past, I cannot say for sure until I look at the archives more..but if you reread your words, and think about them, and what your intention was, can you not see the potential there for hurting someone else's' feelings and starting an argument? Certainly that kind of post is asking for comfort and attention, and perhaps you feel the need for that?" Judes: Brian has done this to my posts before. And I have misunderstood his intentions after he explained to me what he meant. When it keeps happening ..I feel that it needs to stop. obviously..I need more direct forms of communication or I may misunderstand the intention. This is what I am trying to get across. When I am involved in conversations with someone..my focus is on that conversation..and side-comments that seem to say nothing ,or are ambiguous, are distracting and serve no purpose...except to create enflamed situations. If someone want to take a side or disagree..state that clearly and succinctly. I feel that I have the right to say that it irritates me if it does. I have to be truthful about it. I do not want to suppress my true feelings..I respect and honour forth-rightness when communicating with each other. If someone wants to critique a completed discussion then do so with out judging the participants. Judge or discern the material and ideas presented. I am not here to receive personal criticism or judgment of my intentions. Ask me first and then decide if the assumptions are accurate. Those that wish to jump in after a discussion and comment on the intentions of the contributors is as out-of-line as Brian[RWBH] demanding John WK's time as a basis for debating a subject's credibility. One has to use logic and reasoning when discussing topics and play by fair rules of the logical philosophy. Double-speak or confusing personal attacks with defending a cause or belief-system or idea is not remotely the same thing. It may be a scorpion trait only, but I value mutual respect above fluffy-lovey hypocrisy. The basis for mutual respect occurs by playing by fair and consistent rules of 'critical thinking', 'deductive reasoning, syllogistic logic[which means aligning apples to apples, premises to accurate conclusions, etc.] If I cannot get across here..by my words on a computer screen what I am saying, my intentions, etc. then I fail to be a worthy contributor here. If my words are misconstrued due to my lack of the ability to relay what is in my mind with the written words..then I am wasting my energy until I can learn to be more effective with that. I have ordered a book this morning with a work-manual of applying critical thinking and logical reasoning to arguments, discussions, debates, etc. I checked with the authors at critcalthinking.com asking if I could pass this on to an internet classroom environnment if I quoted the copyright statements when using direct quotes. I may create a link where the lessons and work-book are scanned in so that those who are interested can peruse without having to buy the series which was $51.00. I think it would/could be helpful to all of us. Take it defensively..if you choose[anyone]..but I feel that a basis for discussions would be helpful. Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15104 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: [OT?] A True Story .. Follow-up/discussion .. 1 Hello .... and thank you to all who either reacted or responded .. each from your own perspective, or from your own hopes and fears. There were quite a number who wrote to me off list with your own comments and experiences. I know that what I write does challenge much of what people have been taught to believe. It is meant to. There were some very interesting comments raised by a number of people, and what I would like to do here, and in a following post is provide some more information for your considered evaluation and comment. The story was written to stimulate thought and reaction ... I do wonder, however, if the reaction from readers may have been different if I had changed the story line so that it was another female who had been killed .. instead of Robert. I ask this because, for the last 3 days I, and my partner Fiona have been sitting with a woman who does fit into this exact scenario. Now, in this case, I cannot prove anything .. but I can go on the similarities of her story and the stories of several other people ... and my own remembering of what happened when I was killed in a car accident .. and "came back" to write these stories. When Fiona and I walked into the hospital room, the first thing that Elizabeth (her real name, because she has agreed that her story be written) said to us was "I know I died .. why did I have to come back" ... She also told us of what she experienced during a period of about 25 minutes when she was no longer functioning in a body. Now, in Elizabeth's case, there can be no verification that she did physically did die. But in my case, the clinical reports do record this. What she has told us does correlate with my own remembering... and I am not going to question or dispute her remembering because it was her story, her belief from her perception. Why should she have to cope with her intuitive knowing being made wrong .. as some of her family are trying to do...? I am not going to judge what she says. Each day we sit with Elizabeth and allow her to tell her story, in her words, as she remembers it, a little more is added to the picture. My memories are validated for me, and Fiona finds that she can validate from her experience a lot of what we are being told. Elizabeth has told us why she lost control of the car .. and why she ended up in a ditch with her body hanging upside down in the seat belt. She told us of what she saw outside of her body. She told us how she knew and saw that it was a thought projection from someone she knew (and had known for 25 years) that caused the accident. She also told us why the thought impacted on her in the way that it did ... and her part in attracting the incident to her. Now, I cannot prove anything to anyone .. nor do I seek to... but for those who are familiar with the phenomena of synchronicity .. for those of us who know Elizabeth personally, there was sufficient synchronicity around the circumstances leading up to, and following the incident, for us not to take what she has told us quite seriously. Thank you for your time in reading this .. I will continue with some more information for your consideration in the second part of this explanation. Christopher Wynter and Fiona Tulk Hobart Tasmania. Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15105 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Harmony Through Conflict I know many are concerned about the amount of conflict on this list sometimes. Here are two excerpts from emails from JJ to the list which may help put things in perspective a little: Love Glenys Overall, the people in this list are very peaceable in nature. Thus when we do have any conflict it may seem to some to be more disturbing it is really intended to be. As Paul said the fourth Ray is very strong in this group. This is the Ray governing the principle of harmony through conflict. This fourth ray along with the fifth governs humanity itself and is the primary ray influencing the whole of Planet Earth. This is one of the reasons that we humans have such difficulty escaping its influence. The goal of the Brotherhood at present is not to eliminate all conflicts, but to shift the center of conflict from the physical plane to the astral and mental. Once this is accomplished we will at least escape the danger of blowing ourselves up. Nevertheless, in the coming age of peace, primary conflicts will be eliminated from the physical plane, but they will be intensified on higher planes. The interesting thought about all this will be that there will be some realization that harmony is derived from conflict and the lights of the race will see harmony as the end of all enlightened conflicts. Some of those who lack spiritual vision will wonder when all the peace is supposed to break out. Nevertheless, if the age of peace unfolds as planned it will be a great improvement over what we have today. Today many look back at Columbus and the early explorers, the founders of the US Constitution and other innovative thinkers and find much fault with them because they did not seem to stand up for some of the things we consider today as "good." But a 1000 years from now humanity will look back at us and wonder why we lived in such a veil of ignorance and followed the current beast with such non thinking obedience. All historical initiates must be judged by the times they lived in just as it is hoped we will be. Some question my handling of disagreements by jumping in the fire and making attempts at correct communication. This does seem to take us away from our prime directive, but such resolution of conflict is a very important part of the Molecular Order. As Molecules are in the process of creation and also after creation certain egos will fluctuate between focus on the personality and the soul. Two or more people in the soul will always be able to reach agreement. Now I'm talking about important points of direction, not something like a favorite color or movie. "Why is this?" one may ask. "Wouldn't people turn into robots if they always agreed?" No. Not if the agreement is through the soul. Agreement is not always automatic for when we all use the vehicles of the personality differences will materialize. All free souls think and feel differently about many things. As ideas and teachings are presented to the molecules all members will think and feel differently about them. But when the time comes to move forward differences must be resolved. This is first accomplished through he use of reason, searching the heart and discussion. For a group of soul sensitive people this orthodox method of resolution will often work, but there will be times when it will not. When it does not Molecular members will then follow their prime directive which is this: "To seek oneness through the soul by dissolving differences through soul confirmation, seeing the group as one living entity that only has livingness when all entities surrender to the voice of the one soul." Two or more people in the personality can also reach agreement. Those who are in group one as talked about yesterday can have the illusion of oneness through the subjection to not the soul but an outside authority. For instance those in an authoritative church will rarely go against the authoritative pronouncements of the leaders or established doctrines, or even more subtle directives from the group thoughtform that many will mistake for the voice of God. Those in a political party will often universally submit to party leaders. Those in a certain profession will usually be at one with the leaders of the profession. Individuals may have their own ideas but they will go along to insure their jobs. The interesting thing is that when the personality who has oneness because of subjection to authority steps outside the boundaries of that authority the illusion of oneness evaporates. John and Mary attend the same church and do not question the teachings that come to them from the church. On this they are one because they do not question. Yet when they go home and start talking about how to spend John's raise in pay all hell breaks loose. Why? Because there is no controlling authority in this department. The group two people often get along well on a superficial basis because they often have no core beliefs, and have no absolute truth or concept of good and evil to argue about. Their problem of separateness is revealed, however when they work together in a real world situation. When they apply their mindset to group goals on the physical plane they have as much or more friction as anyone else. Now a third combination is that of a personality centered individual and a soul infused individual. You would think that because the soul infused person is a nice guy and sensitive to higher contact that he or she could achieve unity with the personality centered one better than another personality can. Not so. In matters of truth, philosophy and spiritual teachings the two will have more friction than any other combination. In fact he who is centered in the personality will often develop hateful angry feelings toward the one in the soul and be beside himself to explain why. The prime example of this was Jesus. He harmlessly went forth and taught and healed the people. You would think no one would complain about that, but the Jews who were centered in the personality developed tremendous anger and hatred toward Him. It is interesting that when Pilate gave the crowd a chance to release the murderer Barabbas or the kind soul of Jesus they chose the murderer over Jesus by unanimous vote. This is because those who's attention is on the personality are natural enemies of those who are in the soul. As soon as such a one gets a sense of the direction the soul is leading such a person, he will begin to think the soul infused person is an agent of evil that needs to be stopped. Therefore the one who is in the soul must be as harmless as a dove and wise as a serpent so he does not release too much soul energy too quickly and too soon to those who are resistant to such energy. Yet to those who are seeking the soul the teacher must establish harmony or oneness through conflict if necessary, for oneness must be achieved if true spiritual work is to be accomplished. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What you choose not to look at in your life rules your life. - Lynn Andrews Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15106 From: (Jean) Subject: Jennifer's story/ Re: Grievances First off John, I would like to thank you for your kind & inspiring words but most of how I am getting where I am going is with the help of many on this list and your forum in opening my eyes to what has always been before me and for that I thank each and every one of you. On to Jennifer's story, you did good Jennifer, for one opening yourself up and not being afraid of what others think of your story, you've let go of the age old ego/pride trap so many of us are born with. Second, I do not think your story is at all strange or weird, I think what you have and are experiencing is real and probably happens to a good part of the population the only problem is too many of that population fears letting it out and telling the story. I am getting the feeling that this Freddie was evil, and when he began to go too far, the light, stepped in and aided you, I too in my life at times have felt an evil presence at times, that's another story for another time, but you prevailed, that is a plus. As for your guardian angel I think that is great, to be able to speak to a being of light! I can't say I know enough about them, I know I studied at one point the different types of angels, but I let it go along time ago for reasons I don't even know. Oh and what John was talking about well, he is usually two steps ahead..(you know it John :)!) so you know my email address if you want to get up with me, although I think everyone one of us has much to offer each other :) In oneness, Jean My included homepage: http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15107 From: "Stardancer" Subject: [OT?] A True Story .. Follow-up/discussion .. 1 Christopher: She also told us why the thought impacted on her in the way that it did ... and her part in attracting the incident to her. Trish: Thank you Christopher for clarifying that Elizabeth had some part in attracting this energy to herself. We are all participants in our lives, whether we like it or not, not innocent bystanders. With love from my heart, Trish We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams. ~Willy Wonka Now you all know where I get my deepest inspiration. Here I am showing my true self. ROTFL Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15108 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: jennifer's story - It's LONG so get a drink and come back "Hardin, Jennifer" wrote: "Ok, well, standing out here naked is making me a little stressed. At least I'm pretty sure most everyone won't think I'm nuts. Most regular people do." Oh well, as you know Jennifer, we're highly irregular people so nobody here is going to think you're nuts :-) I, too, had experiences with disincarnate spirits when I was younger, although none as scary as yours. I was regarded as having great psychic abilities by my family members who used to get drunk and then force me to 'call up' the spirits by way of ouija boards etc. So no wonder they hung around me. Seeing dead people was normal for me (oh Bruce Willis, where were you when I needed you?) As I got older I used to 'clear' people's house and lower bodies for them and can will still do it if I'm asked. A regular little Ghostbuster. Like you, I always felt protected. It got to the stage where I was so good at it all, that I was apprenticed to a well known Maori shaman (supposedly a great honour) when I was in my early twenties and my natural habitat was the Twilight Zone :-) But I was also very interested in developing spiritually and I decided that all the attention I was giving to the astral realms and the accompanying illusions, was interfering with that. So I turned my back on it all, much to everyone's disgust. Now I only see spooks when there's a good reason and that's hardly ever. A member of my Synthesis Group is a full time medium and I can tell you that makes for some interesting conversations between us when we meet. But because of my experience, I've been able to give her some tips to help her clients who are having problems with disincarnate spirits disturbing them. But perhaps with a greater understanding of one who has seen it all but who is firmly on a spiritual path. Spooky baby! Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What you choose not to look at in your life rules your life. - Lynn Andrews Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15109 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness Dearest keys list: I have not read any posts today except the first one today from Sherry.....not even JJ's lesson yet. As..I do not want to feel, yet, the humiliation that I will surely feel after reading them. I will read later tonight though. So realize that I am not responding to anyone or their comments today..I just want to apologize to Brian, Diane and Craig and everyone here, from my soul, for my prideful display of arrogance......... and paranoia due to a low-blood sugar condition[I guess]. All I can do is hope that I will receive forgiveness from all of you for wasting other's energy and time..and other's feelings unjustifiably. I was accusing people without a fair trial...which is what I felt some were doing and have done to me. I will just try from here on to be what I expect from others..or as Glenys..wrote me today..to not expect anything from others so you will never be disappointed. Hope to heal this up with all...and of course, Brian, Craig, and Diane.... I really do love everyone here.. Much Love to all: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15110 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness Give us a kiss Judes and let's make up. Love, Craig Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15111 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT Judes we come down hardest on ourselves, don't we? Don't be so quick to take the lashes from the wet noodle, darlin Judes. we carry our own crosses and we don't need to. We love you, Judes. love to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15112 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness Craig Tholson wrote: "Give us a kiss Judes and let's make up." It's just not fair! I don't see why Judes should get all the kisses Deprived Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What you choose not to look at in your life rules your life. - Lynn Andrews Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15113 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness whew! I'm ready for that group hug. ~B. Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15114 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness mmmmmmmmmWWWWAHHH! How's that, Glenys? ~B. Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15115 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness Ummm......I didn't quite get all of that, Brian......could you have another go...... (And you, a newly married man!! :-))) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What you choose not to look at in your life rules your life. - Lynn Andrews Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15116 From: Lorraine Brutsman Subject: group think Hi Keysters, wanna hear something funny? I had thought all day about the fighting from yesterday and I had prepared to write a calming explanation but much to my surprise JJ wrote the very same thing I was going to say, (but he probably said it better) then I was going to suggest to Judes that Rachel, Rick's daughter, who will be coming as well as some one else's teenage daughter will be there but not necessarily in the classes might be able to babysit, but Rick beat me to that too. Then I was going to tell you all how close we are getting and some how it seems to be because of the fighting not in spite of it but I was too late for that too. And since I don't have anything original to say, I'll just say LOVE YOU GUYS!! HUG YOU ALL IN JUNE!! Lorraine Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15117 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness Brian Weis wrote: "I'm ready for that group hug." Ahhh.... huggers all around. Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15118 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness Yea!!!!! Thank God...you accepted my apologies...I thought it would be hard since you do not even know what I was talking about. Must have been an misdirected suppression thing on my part. Big Hugs from Me!!! Love: Judes Post No keys-l: /2000-05-02/15119 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Truth is Out There JJ wrote: Jennifer and Phoebe - thanks for drawing attention to this dilemma as soul contact seems to be the desired end of most in the group, yet many are still unclear on it. And John, thanks for your helpful remarks. Judes: I wanted to add that the link or web-page I wanted to generate with the critical thinking course could have a section on soul contact, intuition, and revelation. Links to JJ's wrtings on these topics..and then contributions from keysters that feel they have achieved to whatever degree these abilities...where they explain how they achieve this or techniques they use to achieve this...and then their experiences with it. It could be useful for those that are not quite sure what 'soul contact' exactly means and how to do it. Could be especially useful to newcomers to our list and group. And many that feel they are not sure of what it means will realize they may already be doing this and not realize it..or realize how simple it can be. I am trying to write this so it does not sound like I am being arrogant and feel that I have achieved this. But..only because I do not want to intimidate others before they even try or realize they already know this... I used to be a Math teacher in my pre-computer career and the first thing I had to teach was getting many kids past the mystique that math was hard or that it was something they were not good at. Once I burst that bubble...everyone made straight A's in my class. So..I will be contacting some of you here to contribute to this with your techniques...or waiting for some to volunteer...this will be my first contribution here like Rick's on-line NJ graphic-art book. Rick..I like 'graphic-art book' better than 'comic-book. LOL I will keep everyone posted on the progress... Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15120 From: "Rapter" Subject: Heckling Section I like Sherry's idea of restricting list members to three posts per day, excluding J.J. 's and Rick's posts for obvious reasons. If this idea was introduced to the list, it would force members to post only when they felt they had something relevant to say. Editing the posts would become easier also. Keith Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-02/15121 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness "Give us a kiss Judes and let's make up. Love, Craig" Judes: Sweet, Darling..funny..Craig..how could anyone not love you. If you were not married..I would probably go after you..and I am not even interested in sex..anymore. LOL According to Lorraine and Susan..I just do not know how to have fun!!! I am kidding!!!! About going after you too..Craig. Now do not run off! Do you realize how LOUSY I felt most of the day..and then your two books came from Amazon and sat there staring at me with your 'essence' and 'spirit' oozing from them on my dining room table??? Sort of ironic and poignant..for me. Now..I can start reading them without feeling panged. And do you all three[Craig, darling Brian, and precious Diane] know how much I LOVE you guys for forgiving me so sweetly and QUICKLY?? What great souls you all are!!! And sweet Glenys with her words of wisdom to me today so I could see[very delicately] how my pride was in the way. Thank you ALL for helping me learn so much about myself and the people here today: Judes P.S. Does everyone here know that Craig has a B.S. in PHYSICS?? Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15122 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness Judy Reese wrote: "P.S. Does everyone here know that Craig has a B.S. in PHYSICS??" Wow! Smart as well as funny. Great combination. So our Craig is up there with Kaku and Hawking, eh? Way to go, Craig. Thanks for the info Judes. Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/105123 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Recognizing the Grievance JJ wrote: Because Judes and others have developed a trust in the list members as a whole and look upon them as family and family are close enough to stimulate grievance. Fortunately, there are those who did stand up for Judes and gave her emotional support and thus I would guess that the potential grievance was diverted. Judes: JJ..are you sure you are not a psychologist in disguise? This was brilliant..and I lived through all of the above emotions exactly. I was outraged ..yes...I paused the best I could to get soul- direction..but rushed it somewhat so it was half-cooked. My self-restraint was admirable that I did write back the f-word first to RWBH..thank God. BUT..what was more important to me was the support of the list members..which I did not expect...and I knew that I would not be able to forgive 'the list' on some level for not standing up for me in some show of faith or recognition of how below-the-belt his comment was. I would have lost faith in everybody here and my soul-contact with the list itself that would have been too much for me to ignore...IOW it would have seemed unforgivable to me or unacceptable that people could be so heartless. Now...this is weird...and I know...it seems misplanted..but on a soul-level I felt this..it would have been too much to bear almost. I think my misdirected attack on Brian, Craig, and Diane[who did NOTHING at all] was a part of this...potential grievance forming with the list members showing honour and stand-upness or my impression of such qualities. Do you have children, JJ? I do not think you have ever mentioned any...but you show great depth of understanding the mother-child bond and how deeply it goes. I am just so impressed with your ability to read human nature and souls, etc. too. What a talent! Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15124 From: J J Dewey Subject: What and Where is Soul? (Part I) Several of you gave good examples of what could be soul contact. The main thread in your answers would seem to be "a registration of truth that is beyond the mind and the senses. This is the right direction. As I have said before the word "soul" is used very loosely by various groups. In the teachings of the Masters it is basically used two ways. (1) The Higher Self, sometimes called the Solar Angel, which is linked as an atom in the body of the oversoul of humanity. (2) The point where spirit touches matter. This is the point that some have referred to as being beyond dualities. This, however, is not a dwelling place, but a doorway to the higher worlds. The lower worlds are as follows: (1) The physical and etheric (2) The astral or emotional. (3) The mental or mind. Beyond the physical are higher grades of matter that make up forms normally invisible to the physical. For instance there is a physical double to all things and this is called the etheric. The etheric is the easiest of the invisible worlds to see. Interlock the fingers of your two hands and point the tips of your two thumbs toward each other. Separate the tips of your thumbs by about an eighth of an inch. Now find a wall that is white or light in color and hold your hands up to the wall so when you look at the space between your thumbs the wall is on the other side. Concentrate now and stare at the empty space between your thumbs for about a minute. Do not put your attention on your hands or thumbs, but only the empty space between your thumbs. After about a minute, while keeping your attention on the empty space, pull your thumbs slowly apart so now you have about a quarter of an inch of space. As you do this you should notice a thin film, about a millimeter from your skin, light blue in color. What you are seeing here is your etheric double which is slightly larger than your physical. Learning to see this is the first step in seeing auras. Here is a second exercise you can do. Have a friend stand next to a light colored background like a white or light colored wall or a refrigerator door. Tell him to stand perfectly still and to not move his head. Now stare at his forehead for about a minute. Pick one spot on his forehead and do not deviate your attention from that spot. After 60-90 seconds have him move to the side, but continue to look at the spot as if the guy were still there. What you see next will amaze you if you have not done this before. Your eyes will have taken a photograph of his etheric light and you will see the after image of his head glowing before you. When you see his lighted head note the shades of light and dark patches. The dark patches will indicate a blockage in the flow of energy. Most people have dark patches when they have a head cold, for instance. The next up world to see is the astral, or emotional. Practice this exercise and let the group know what you see and we'll talk about the next step tomorrow. "Nothing in life is to be feared - only understood." Marie Curie Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All Rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15125 From: "Lars Moring" Subject: (OT) Family Hi Keysters, One more lurker posting. As we Keysters are a big family I want to share with you the following poem. This brought tears to my own eyes, and I'm sure you will like it also. Love to you all, Lars ============================================ I ran into a stranger as he passed by. "Oh, excuse me please" was my reply. He said, "Please excuse me too; I wasn't even watching for you." We were very polite, this stranger and I. We went on our way and we said good-bye. But at home a different story is told, How we treat our loved ones, young and old. *** Later that day, cooking the evening meal, My daughter stood beside me very still. When I turned, I nearly knocked her down. "Move out of the way," I said with a frown. She walked away, her little heart broken. I didn't realize how harshly I'd spoken. *** While I lay awake in bed, God's still small voice came to me and said, "While dealing with a stranger, common courtesy you use, But the children you love, you seem to abuse. Look on the kitchen floor, You'll find some flowers there by the door. Those are the flowers she brought for you. She picked them herself, pink, yellow and blue. She stood quietly not to spoil the surprise, And you never saw the tears in her eyes." *** By this time, I felt very small And now my tears began to fall. I quietly went and knelt by her bed; "Wake up, little girl, wake up," I said. "Are these the flowers you picked for me?" She smiled, "I found 'em, out by the tree. I picked 'em because they're pretty like you. I knew you'd like 'em, especially the blue." *** I said, "Daughter, I'm sorry for the way I acted today; I shouldn't have yelled at you that way." She said, "Oh, Mom, that's okay. I love you anyway." I said, "Daughter, I love you too, and I do like the flowers, especially the blue." *** Are you aware that: If we die tomorrow, the company that we are working for could easily replace us in a matter of days. But the family we left behind will feel the loss for the rest of their lives. And come to think of it, we pour ourselves more into work than to our family - an unwise investment indeed. So what is behind the story? You know what is the full word of family? FAMILY = (F)ATHER (A)ND (M)OTHER, (I) (L)OVE (Y)OU ? ~ Linda Castaldo ~ Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15126 From: Marylin Subject: Where is he?????? Hi all I attempted yesterday to send an attached picture to Samu and got this back: "The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: dic.fi: host not found)" Does anyone know what happened to Samu???????? Concerned and wondering Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/115127 From Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Where is he?????? Hi Marylin, There's just a little error in your address. It should be : samu3@dlc.fi Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You cannot get ahead while you are getting even. - Dick Armey Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15128 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Where is he?????? Marylin, The address is wrong. It should be: samu3@dlc.fi You have samu3@dic.fi ... an *i* instead of an *l* I hope this helps. Diane List Archive keys-l: /2000-18/15129 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Where is he?????? Hey Marylin! :) What happened to me? Well I was hit by a lightning bolt which zoomed me off beyond space time utilizing the wrinkle it created in local hyperspace... And I?ve been hanging out with Zor ever since. He?s really not that awful as you all try to make him be, really dudes. Okay, jokes aside! ;) Marylin, I can see where your problems originates from: 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: dic.fi: host not found) The address you used has ?dic? in it, but it should be ?dlc?, with an l as in ?live? in the middle. Please try sending your pic again, ok? :) Love, Samu _______________ Samu Karlsson eMail: samu3@dlc.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 Just remember not to forget and you?ll be fine... but you already know this, don?t you? Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15130 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT Lars Thank you, Lars, that was beautiful. love to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15131 From: "Stardancer" < Subject: Re: (OT) Family I also want to say thank you to Lars. This is one of my greatest challenges: to honor and cherish the ones nearest to me, and give them my utmost attention when they need it, and not when it is convenient for me. My heart is full today. With love to you all from that very same heart, Trish Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15132 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: (OT) Family Lars Moring wrote: "One more lurker posting. As we Keysters are a big family I want to share with you the following poem. This brought tears to my own eyes, and I'm sure you will like it also." I loved it Lars. Thanks so much for sharing it. It's a wonderful reminder to cherish those with whom we're closest. Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15133 From: "Stardancer" Subject: Re: Grievances John wrote: "All Jean really did was to empty her cup, (a strict Catholic Upbringing) and stand naked, and empty in the Holy Spirit, and invite it to loaf, and sup with her." Trish: These are my feelings exactly. When our minds are so bogged down with what we think we know and what we have been brought up to believe, the _____has so many filters to fight through that it sometimes gets lost in the confusion. (I was looking for a word to put in this sentence and soul contact was the only thing that came to mind. Is it appropriate here?) When I stand "naked, and empty in the Holy Spirit", with no agendas or expectations, my soul truly does make contact. Then my job is to TRUST the messages that are coming to me and ACT on the information I receive. Practice makes perfect. With love from my heart, Trish Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15134 From: "Robin Kennon" Subject: Fwd: Refiners Fire Hi Fellow Keysters, Just had to come out of lurk mode to share this with you. I received it from a friend this morning, and thought some of you might enjoy it as much as I did! Robin Kennon REFINER'S FIRE Some time ago, a few ladies met to study the scriptures. While reading the third chapter of Malachi, they came upon a remarkable expression in the third verse: "And He [God] shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver" (Malachi 3:3). One lady decided to visit a silversmith to learn about the process of refining silver. After the smith had described it to her, she asked, "But Sir, do you sit while the work of refining is going on?" "Oh yes, Madam," replied the silversmith; "I must sit with my eye steadily fixed on the furnace, for if the time necessary for refining be exceeded in the slightest degree, the silver will be injured." The lady at once saw the beauty, and comfort too, of the expression, "He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver." God sees it needful to put His children into a furnace; His eye is steadily intent on the work of purifying, and His wisdom and love are both engaged in the best manner for us. Our trials do not come at random, and He will not let us be tested beyond what we can endure. Before she left, the lady asked one final question, "When do you know the process is complete?" "Why that is quite simple," replied the silversmith. "When I can see my own image in the silver, the refining process is finished." Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15135 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Where is he?????? Hi Samu, Diane and Glenys Thanks to all of you for coming to my aid. You can't imagine how far my jaw dropped when I saw that email saying my email couldn't go through because there was no such address. I was aghast thinking how will I get the picture to Samu??? But it's safely on it's way now and I am sure it will get where it's supposed to go this time. Love, Light, Peace, Harmony and Hugs Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15136 From: Marylin Subject: A Parable This came today and I thought it might be a helpful thing when someone feel's offended or hurt in some way. SHAKE IT OFF AND STEP UP! A parable is told of a farmer who owned an old mule. The mule fell into the farmer's well. The farmer heard the mule 'braying' - or - whatever mules do when they fall into wells. After carefully assessing the situation, the farmer sympathized with the mule, but decided that neither the mule nor the well was worth the trouble of saving. Instead, he called his neighbors together and told them what had happened...and enlisted them to help haul dirt to bury the old mule in the well and put him out of his misery. Initially, the old mule was hysterical! But as the farmer and his neighbors continued shoveling and the dirt hit his back...a thought struck him. It suddenly dawned on him that every time a shovel load of dirt landed on his back...HE SHOULD SHAKE IT OFF AND STEP UP! This he did, blow after blow. "Shake it off and step up...shake it off and step up...shake it off and step up!" he repeated to encourage himself. No matter how painful the blows, or distressing the situation seemed the old mule fought "panic" and just kept right on SHAKING IT OFF AND STEPPING UP! You're right! It wasn't long before the old mule, battered and exhausted, STEPPED TRIUMPHANTLY OVER THE WALL OF THAT WELL! What seemed like it would bury him, actually blessed him...all because of the manner in which hehandled his adversity. THAT'S LIFE! If we face our problems and respond to them positively, and refuse to give in to panic, bitterness, or self-pity... THE ADVERSITIES THAT COME ALONG TO BURY US USUALLY HAVE WITHIN THEM THE POTENTIAL TO BENEFIT AND BLESS US! Remember that FORGIVENESS--FAITH--PRAYER--PRAISE and HOPE ...all are excellent ways to "SHAKE IT OFF AND STEP UP" out of the wells in which we find ourselves! Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15137 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Apologies for Pridefulness Brian Weis writes: "I'm ready for that group hug." HUG HUG HUG HUG BEAR HUG HUG HUG HUG HUG HUG HUG Nothing beats making up. Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15138 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Heckling Section Job (Keith) writes: "Editing the posts would become easier also." Bless your beautiful heart, Keith. Love, Light, Peace Harmony and an extra bear hug Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15139 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Fwd: Refiners Fire "Why that is quite simple," replied the silversmith. "When I can see my own image in the silver, the refining process is finished." Robin..that was a breath-taking story...I particularly liked that last sentence. And Lars...your story brought tears to me too...very touching.. Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15140 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: A Parable "This came today and I thought it might be a helpful thing when someone feel's offended or hurt in some way." SHAKE IT OFF AND STEP UP! This was great, Marylin, I could just see that mule shaking it off and stepping up...adorable! Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15141 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: OT - Sharon in Photo Album Dear Friends, please stop by and meet our beloved Sharon! :) http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html#Sharon1 Much love, Samu chasethedogstarovertheseahomewheremytrueloveiswaitingformeropethesouthwind Samu Karlsson samu3@dlc.fi samu.karlsson@norpe.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 "Just remember not to forget and you'll be fine... but you already know this, don't you?" canvasthestarsharnessthemoonlightsoshecansafelygoroundthecapehorntovalparaiso Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15142 From: LOUISA Subject: Keys of Knowledge Rick, My name is Louisa Crebar. I'm new to this. I very recently read both books. As I was reading the other night, I "heard" someone say "Ritchie is getting married." Would that be you?? I have to think that your given name is Richard. I know no Richards. Please let me know. I really enjoyed the books. I pray that something like that would happen to me. (Meeting an immortal person.) I have had entities "appear" before me. But meeting someone like in the book would be really wild. I have met and have been "training" with a native American holy man for some 3 years now. Very interesting. Hope I've done this email done properly. Thanks. Louisa Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15143 From: (Jean) Subject: RE: What & Where is Soul/Part 1 J.J, when I first read the book the Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield, I was very interested in the I believe to be third insight, which was the "energy" It mentioned about starting off with your fingers, and I did, I was astounded to see the line on myself! All my life, I have seen a small area of light around people ONLY if I try hard enough and think about it. There have been times that I noticed it brighter and wider on some people, the only think is it is always I guess that white or blue light, I always have heard people talk about green and red etc, I only see the same color, and interestingly enough certain people when I try I didn't see it at all, is there any reason for any of that? In light, Jean My included homepage: http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15144 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT Louisa Welcome Louisa, you do email just fine. Its very nice to meet you, & I feel you will have a lot to say to our group. love to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15145 From: Phoebe Subject: Re: RE: What & Where is Soul/Part 1 Jean writes: "All my life, I have seen a small area of light around people ONLY if I try hard enough and think about it. There have been times that I noticed it brighter and wider on some people, the only think is it is always I guess that white or blue light, I always have heard people talk about green and red etc, I only see the same color, and interestingly enough certain people when I try I didn't see it at all, is there any reason for any of that?" This is the same for me. Occasionally I see shades of purple or dark areas, but mostly it is white or blue light extending anywhere from two or three inches to about ten inches. It usually depends on the person and the lighting around them. I also see this same energy field around trees and other objects. When I was young it was much clearer and more pronounced. Now I usually don't notice it unless it pops out when I am not concentrating on what the person is saying. Normally I have to concentrate so much on reading lips in order to 'hear' what is being said that I don't look for it. When I do think about it and look for it, I am always in awe of the surrounding light and changes that occur with the emotions of the speaker. It is quite beautiful to watch. For some reason I can't look at the energy field and listen at the same time. Weird. Love and Laughter, Phoebe Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15146 From: J J Dewey Subject: Re: Remove please Sorry you want to leave us. You have to go to Spiritweb and unsubscribe. Hope you reconsider. Have enjoyed your posts. JJ "Nothing in life is to be feared - only understood." Marie Curie Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All Rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15147 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Keys of Knowledge ""Ritchie is getting married." "Would that be you??" Hi Louisa, Welcome to the list. I can tell you haven't read the archives yet, LOL. Maybe in a few more lifetimes, I'll be ready to try getting married again. We can still be friends though. Rick Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-03/15148 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: What and Where is Soul? (Part I) I used to be able to see etheric auras easily and I also could tell what astro sign a person is, by looking at the area above their head and shoulders. But, I can't do it any more. Seems weird to have less abilities after years of development. I read of someone falling on their tail and it causing them to not be able to access past psychic abilities. Maybe something like that happened to me, when I was knocked off a building, years ago, and landed on my butt. Rick Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15149 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: What and Where is Soul? (Part I) J J Dewey wrote: "Interlock the fingers of your two hands and point the tips of your two thumbs toward each other. Separate the tips of your thumbs by about an eighth of an inch. Now find a wall that is white or light in color and hold your hands up to the wall so when you look at the space between your thumbs the wall is on the other side. As you do this you should notice a thin film, about a millimeter from your skin, light blue in color." I see that and a bit of brighter glow beyond the blue. "What you are seeing here is your etheric double which is slightly larger than your physical. Learning to see this is the first step in seeing auras." "Here is a second exercise you can do." "What you see next will amaze you if you have not done this before. Your eyes will have taken a photograph of his etheric light and you will see the after image of his head glowing before you. When you see his lighted head note the shades of light and dark patches. The dark patches will indicate a blockage in the flow of energy. Most people have dark patches when they have a head cold, for instance." I've seen this many times but didn't know it was a photograph. Some times it sort of spikes outward in several directions. Maybe spikes is the wrong word but it looks like it sort of flows in various degrees upwards or outwards. Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15150 From: J J Dewey Subject: What and Where is Soul? (Part 2) The whole physical body consists of the dense physical that all of us see, plus the normally invisible etheric. The etheric is composed of millions of lines of force joining and merging to give the dense physical a coherent form. Yesterday we practiced some exercises that will enable most to see this "other" physical body. What the next stage up? Is it the soul? No not yet. The next vibration up is the emotional or astral body. We an see the effects and evidence of this by looking at the aura. In fact Diane seems to have caught a glimpse of it. In describing what she saw as she was looking at the empty space between the thumbs she says: "I see that and a bit of brighter glow beyond the blue." Then in looking at the head she says: "I've seen this many times but didn't know it was a photograph. Sometimes it sort of spikes outward in several directions. Maybe spikes is the wrong word but it looks like it sort of flows in various degrees upwards or outwards." Good for you Diane. In both cases you have seen the auric emanations from the emotional body. The assignment today is to practice seeing the auric emanation. This is more difficult to see than the etheric double, but with practice it can be done. If you are serious about it and want to do something for both your health and spirit go on a fast. The first time I saw an aura clearly was after a ten day fast on lemon juice and honey. The best way to describe the art of seeing the aura is through a process I have named "the art of not seeing." The reason I call it this is that you have to hide any desire to see from your emotional self as you are attempting to see the aura. You must maintain a state of mind that says "I don't give a damn if I see the aura or not!" The instant you "feel" a desire to see it all hope of seeing it will disappear. Therefore you must completely still your emotions. When you do see the aura, do not get excited or it will immediately disappear. As soon as you see it maintain an unimpressed state of mind, as if you are saying to your astral self: "big deal - what's next?" That is why I call it the art of not seeing for to see it you must see it by attempting to not see. First exercise: Repeat the thumb exercise as before, but slowly pull the thumbs about a half inch apart and leave them there looking at the empty space in between. Stare for a few minutes at the empty space and see what comes to your eyes. Focus on one spot in space and fix your attention on it. The easiest part of the aura to see is over the head. This is why the early saints were represented as having halos. It is this light over the head that has the greatest intensity in most people. This time, instead of looking at the forehead stare one-pointedly at the space just above the head. Practice for about five minutes at a time or until something becomes visible. Actually it is easier to see a dark cloud over a depressed person, or one who has rejected light than it is to see the light of one who is in high vibration. If you cannot find anyone to cooperate with you then use yourself as a subject by looking at yourself in the mirror for the mirror does reflect the astral light. If you are successful at seeing colors or movement let us know what you see. "Nothing in life is to be feared - only understood." Marie Curie Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All Rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15151 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: A True Story .. Beyond the veils of Death Hello .... After the first follow up/discussion, there were very few comments on lists, but several people did write to me privately .. especially concerning their own experience and rememberings of moving through the veil that some call death. As you may remember, I and my partner Fiona have been sitting with Elizabeth who has conscious rememberings of her impressions of her "death" in a car accident ... and her recall is becoming much clearer of her experiences of the period of about 25 minutes when she was no longer functioning in a body .. Elizabeth (or Libby as we have known her) has described for us, her impressions of the colours .. and of the sound she heard ... and the emptiness .. and yet within this emptiness, impressions of people she knew who had died before her ... But .. more on that another time ... From one of the replies that was sent to me came the following statements ... "I pondered why I didn't see angels...hear voices..find instruction. I was angry at being alone during my time of need. I didn't understand. This did not fit with what I had read or heard of for a NDE." and another "I saw no God, no Masters, no Pearly Gates, no "Light at the end of the Tunnel" .. but I did see me, all of my past and all of the things I had not had the courage to do .. and all of the lies that I had lived conforming to the expectations of other people who wanted me to conform to what they expected of me" and yet another (from an attempted suicide) "I chose to come back and try to remember and work through the knowing that I was not losing my mind and my thoughts ... because what I thought was my mind and my thoughts were what I had taken on from other people .. I saw that I had no beliefs of my own .. but that I was acting out the beliefs of other people because I could not allow myself to accept that I was right and religion was wrong" Poignantly, in amongst a lot of other material, another described how she experienced the pull of the needs of others, their prayers, their demands that she survive. She described the struggle with these forces pulling her back into her physical body and how she decided to "come back" because she saw how she had not had the courage to speak up to these people when she was alive ... to stand up for her own perceptions .. because she considered she was a coward ... she saw that underneath her brave face, and what she tried to tell everyone what she knew, she was trying to convince herself there was a "higher life" .. and when she got there, there was nothing but a confrontation with the fact that everything she had "channeled" was herself not being responsible for herself .... because the message was her inner knowing talking to her. What I am writing here may challenge much of what people have been taught to believe. It is meant to, because I feel that it is something most of us know on some level .. and are afraid to admit to ourselves .. or we consign this memory to the depths of unconscious denial because to speak this knowing would be considered blasphemous. There is a whole lot more .... When two plants are planted in a pot designed for one, there is conflict and struggle ... stunted growth and usually the death of one or both. Yet, if these plants were planted, each in its own pot.. they could survive harmoniously side by side on the same bench. How many times, do we, in our perception of Lack .. or in the illusion of Love for another, take that other into our body. How much of our inner conflict is the conflict between all of the personalities that have been sharing our body with us ... Where does the need come from that sees us look outside ourselves for some God, Guru, Saviour or Lover .. and cause us to be open to the thoughts and projections of others .. which in our moments of deepest vulnerability become deadly missiles. Who is it that really owns this thing called a body which we walk around in? As a member of my own discussion list wrote to me... "we are swimming in the cause and effect of Collective Thought in every moment . . . only some particular incidents are able to be named or known and thereby evidenced as what has and is . . always going on . . . this the beginning of ownership of the thread that weaves through all consequence and then ultimately finds it's home in our individual memory for every person we are attached to out of need, they are the cause and we are the effect" Christopher Wynter and Fiona Tulk Hobart Tasmania. Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15152 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: [OT]: Spiritual Experience Dear Keys: A man that I know personally and who is quite prominent within the 'political-activist' areas was recently very ill and had a remarkable spiritual experience while he was in the hospital. I found it very interesting reading and it sort of fits with JJ describing 'seeing' the other bodies or levels of our beings. John Novak..who is the man who had the experience was very involved with the Seattle-WTO riots as a participant and spokesperson for some groups. He seems to be very level-headed, intelligent, and articulate..so he is not a new-age flake or a born-againer type..oh yes..he posted this to another public e-mail group .. Judes P.S. It is long! From: "John M. Novak" "When you see his lighted head note the shades of light and dark patches. The dark patches will indicate a blockage in the flow of energy." What?! Ok, ok . . . These "shades of light and dark patches" could easily be caused by the person's afterimage which is a phenomenon occurring inside the viewer's eye. The cones and rods of the eye get flooded with a certain color and if you're saying these afterimages are the etheric field, JJ, I'm not convinced. In elementary school I learned that the color of the afterimage is always the opposite of the physical color. If you stare at something white the afterimage will be black; if you stare at something black the afterimage will be white, etc. Every color has an afterimage opposite. Click below for a hands-on example. http://www.geocities.com/trbrennanjr/ Any colors or patches you see when you do JJ's exercise for viewing the etheric field could easily be the afterimage phenomenon and having nothing to do with energy fields. So of course you're going to see a multi-colored afterimage--it's just reflecting the multitude of colors that make up a person's skin tone, hair color, clothes, etc. If I use your method, JJ, to discover clogs in an energy field I'm going to be off the mark since a caucasion person's afterimage will have plenty of dark splotches--their skin is light, producing an opposite color dark afterimage--and thus an african americans afterimage will have plenty of white in it. Plus, if what we're seeing is truly the etheric energy field why does it leave an imprint hanging in the air? And why does the image go where your eyes go--like a floater? Shouldn't it stay with the body like a magnetic field stays with the magnet? Again, this describes phenomenon that's happening inside the viewer's eye. The light receptors on the retina in the eye get flooded with light, and it takes a few moments for them to get 'unflooded,' leaving a slowly fading image floating before you which moves wherever your eyes move. In fact, you don't even need to stare at something to see an almost-perfect afterimage duplicate. A lot of light in a short amount of time works better. Here's another execise to see for yourself: You'll need a camera with a flash, but with no film. Go into a room in your home that's effectively sealed off from any light. At night is best. You should be able to see only blackness. Even a small crack of light coming from under the door will ruin the effect. Turn off all the lights in the room, unplug any nightlights, and shove a towel under the crack of the door if necessary. Hold out your hand in front of a white wall, about 2 feet from your face. Gaze in the direction of your hand. Aim the camera with the other hand towards your outstretched hand and click the button as hough you're taking a picture. After the flash goes off immediately take your hand away but continue gazing where your hand used to be. In a few moments you'll see an image of your hand--as well as the surrounding area and objects--so detailed and bright it's as though you're seeing in the dark like a cat. But of course you're not because you're hand ISN'T THERE. How could this be the etheric field since the object was viewed for only a split second? I'm still open to the existence of energy fields. But any color I've seen around any person or object after staring at it for a minute can easily be explained by the afterimage effect. I have seen a barely visible film around some of my fingers the other day, however, while holding it up to a white wall--and this film DID move with my fingers and kind of flowed out of my fingertips looking like long white pointy fingernails. Rob Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15158 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: What and Where is Soul? (Part I) Larry wrote: The list is awfully quiet. Surely someone needs to flame somebody else, don't they? :) Judes: We are all working on our assignments that JJ gave us! LOL ...both here and for the service group. Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15159 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: What and Where is Soul? (Part I) Lawrence Kennon wrote: "JJ: "What you are seeing here is your etheric double which is slightly larger than your physical. Learning to see this is the first step in seeing auras." "Larry: "I can see! I can see!". :) "Actually, that really worked. Robin was amazed too. She saw it right away. "The list is awfully quiet. Surely someone needs to flame somebody else, don't they? :)" It's hot outside even though it's overcast.... I flame the weatherguy. Uh ... make that blame the weatherguy. ;) Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15160 From: "Joe Hanish" Subject: Spiritual Diet! Hi everyone, it's quiet Joey, sorry I haven't been very vocal yet... Still trying to get caught up with everyone... Lately I've been having a lot of things welling up in me about my diet. I never had a problem eating meat before, but now at certain times it just repulses me, for obvious reasons. I've read that the most spiritual way to eat is strictly vegetables and fruits. I remember in The Immortal, John had said he ate meat, but preferred not to. I don't know if you guys have covered this already, because I haven't read all the previous messages yet, but any direction would be wonderful. It's something that's been bothering me a lot, so at this point I've cut back to meat no more than once a day, and I'm trying to eliminate that... I hope this doesn't seem to petty to everyone! I don't want to eat it, but it's hard to get good protein sources quickly, and sometimes I crave it, which seems worse than anything I think... Anyone? :) Have a WONDERFUL day everyone, and I may be quiet, but I'm reading as many=2of the posts as I can keep up with! You guys are great! (and I sincerely hope this post isn't off topic!) Love, Joey Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15161 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT Diet Dear Joey, I doubt that a reasonable question can ever be thought to be unimportant to this list . Many people are having this same difficulties. Thanks for asking. love to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15162 From: Diane Linen Subject: WARNING! ILOVEYOU VIRUS Fighting/Removing It... [CNN just reported that opening tan e-mail having the subject "I Love You" is harmless, HOWEVER, opening the ATTACHMENT that it instructs you to open for a love letter *will* cause problems. In addition, CNN said that it WILL COME FROM A FAMILIAR EMAIL ADDRESS, i.e., generated from ppl's address books. Again, opening it IS HARMLESS, but opening the ATTACHMENT *will* cause problems. They also said it started in Asia just this morning, and it is already causing problems at MANY of the largest companies in the world because as ppl arrive at work, they begin opening their email, and this one compels ppl to open it (looking start their morning off with a "good feeling" note FROM A FAMILIAR PERSON), and that MANY U.S. companies and organizations are already shutting down their entire systems (voluntarily, i.e., they are shutting down their own systems while they write code to combat or neutralize it), and this includes the White House! --MS] Forwarded message ---------- From: Rose Bowen Judes: Thank you, Maryellen. I felt the support from the list...and I was very overwhelmed with it. A lot did more than I would have done for someone else that had been attacked. You know me..I would have just said something that made it all worse trying to help. I think everyone handled it very maturely and upstandingly. And I feel a lot more affinity with 'the list'. It is like the list is an entity all of its on ..ya know? Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15166 From: "xavier" Subject: Re: A True Story Claire wrote: "I don't see this as the wife killing the husband with the power of the group coming into her. Maybe she had an intuition that he was going to die that day, and voiced it through her negative and wishful thinking about him. "That's like saying my grandmother killed herself when she said "I ate so much I could die" and she did." yep i have the same intuition (btw sorry for the delay in answering lol) It's like Jane voiced an intention, in order to psychically even something, while her husband's death was happening. Maybe she needed to learn some things, and for them, she needed or choosed to voice that desire. If a healing group could kill that way, wow.... lol so many people would die... now it feels like this whole thing was a growing experience for the group. Which would mean that Chris' input would have helped them, though it is deluded. Good and Being using illusion as a channel for truth and learning, this happens;-) much more than a silly group (ignorants in occultism) killing people by a single thought-form. This needs practice knowledge and power, hopefully;-))) lol xavier ======== "All the sudden, energised, she stood up and cried out "if only Robert was dead" At that moment Robert's car swerved off the road and crashed into a tree. He was killed instantly. Every member of that woman's spiritual healing circle was culpable because it was their thoughts, their energy that was gathered into the thought form which Jane projected at Robert." Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15167 From: Mark D Williams Subject: Rob--Afterimage Rob, I was thinking along the same lines and hadn't had time to write an email with similar questions. How is what JJ is describing as an etheric image different from an afterimage. Mark Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15168 From: "Hardin, Jennifer" Subject: RE: Re: What and Where is Soul? (Part I) We've had ILOVEYOU virus issues. Our mail server just came back up a little bit ago. And it's going to take us another 14 hours to clean the virus completely out of the system. Unfortunately work interferes with the rest of my life. We'll all catch up soon. Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15169 From: Rob Subject: Re: Rob--Afterimage Mark D Williams wrote: "Rob, I was thinking along the same lines" Exactly what I was trying to say--I was just a little more winded about it. :-) Unless JJ is saying that what I've been seeing all along as an afterimage is really the etheric. But no, that can't be right because I can make the color of the afterimage of my finger different depending on where the light source is--if the light source is coming from the front it looks more white-ish, from behind it's more bluish. The way JJ describes it sounds like the color of someone's etheric body should remain the same regardless of the light source, the different colors they're wearing, etc. Unless it's like doing math, where everybody has to do it the same way to arrive at the same answer. Rob Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15170 From: (Jean) Subject: Question for J.J J.J, I posted a question earlier on the "aura" we have, In it I asked you for one thing it seems I am the opposite of what you said in part 2 It seems when I try I see it more, and also why do I see that white/blue light and others I hear see green, red etc, why do they see different colors and why is it certain people I do not see an aura at all and yet others I see it easier? I would appreciate an answer on that thank you. In light, Jean Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15171 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: After Images, Thought, Emotions and the Soul(?) A few years back, I had the opportunity (and the access to some very sensitive electronic equipment) whilst working in a Standards Laboratory .. to carry out an investigation into the nature of the energy field of the Human Body. These experiments can be duplicated by anyone with access to similar facilities and I am happy to provide details of the equipment which I used. I'm not going to get into a discussion on what is seen in the experiments JJ talks about ... but I can verify some of the principles. The Body is surrounded by a complex electromagnetic field which has both frequency and amplitude. Analysis of this field shows that it can be broken down into harmonics within the audio and visual spectrums. It was shown that there was an ambient field around the body, the strength and pattern of which was dependant on the physical health and the emotional state of the subject. It was also shown that this field could be changed by the thoughts of the subject. It was shown that strong emotions also caused responses of amplitude and frequency .. and that there was correlation between the colour harmonics of the same emotions from different subjects... and these could be measured. The strength and depth of the emotion caused corresponding increase in the amplitude of the field across specific wavelengths and harmonics .... It was also shown that focused and projected thought could be measured as an electromagnetic field radiating out from the body ... and that similar thoughts from different subjects produced almost identical analysis patterns. It was also shown that the focus on a particular colour or sound produced a corresponding "spike" across the spectrum which directly correlated to the frequency of the colour or sound focused on. It was also shown that thought projected from one subject (sender) to another (receiver) caused commensurate increases in the field of the receiver ... and that this thought projection could be focused to a specific area of the receiver's body and that the receivers, unless aware of the exact nature of the "projection" was powerless to stop it ... unless they had "created" a blanket "defense shield" around themselves. A little useless information from Christopher Wynter Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15172 From: Rick Audette Subject: [OT] The end of the world Hi All, The May 5th prediction is one that I have been aware of for over 30 years. Several of the doomsday prophets are people that I have known and worked with, in the past. One of them got coverage in the Dallas Morning News, today. For the last few years I had very much reduced my concerns with those predictions, especially since hooking up with JJ. Still, it was a date long awaited and I watched to see if anything would happen, when the time comes. This morning, because we have a new designer in our office, I was repositioning my desk to make room for his. I have a paper globe on my desk, that is one of my original designs (there's a picture of it on my web page). I had removed the file drawer, to make the desk lighter to move and was placing various objects from the desktop around the room, so they wouldn't fall while I moved the desk. At the time, I placed the globe in the cavity left by the removed drawer. When the desk was in position, I began to put everything back together, forgetting that the globe was where I left it. As the drawer was slid back in place, there was a crunching noise. When I checked to see what made the sound, there it was, the world had been broken to bits. Instead of being bothered, I started laughing out loud, because the world had indeed been destroyed, a day early and by my own hand. What makes it even funnier, when I read my horoscope, later at lunch, it said, "pay attention to symbols". LOL, if your world blows up, tomorrow, it will be your own fault. I survived the end of the world and now my desk faces east, the direction of the new day. On another note, the Petra web site was down for a week, because of server problems. Tonight, it is finally back and I have uploaded a weeks worth of new stuff. Text is now complete on page 8 and a new page of illustrations, sans text, has been added. On page 9, Petra meets a new character, Dixon Knight. Dixon is from Texas and is telepathically attuned to Petra and is writing her story, as it happens, for readers back on terra firma. He gives her a device similar to the hitchhikers guide, a palm pilot that lets her read from any source in existence. On it, she gets to view a picture of some of the people in her group (She is not the first fictional female to become a Keyster). I have also created another new character, but he has not been introduced in the story, yet. His name is Juan (no last name yet) and he is being modeled after another Keyster. You can see an advance preview of Dixon, Petra and Juan, standing in front of the fountain, at: http://petracity.intercosmos.com/casting.jpg Keep beating the rocks together, Rick -- ICQ # 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ and http://petracity.intercosmos.com/index.html The only really natural diet http://www.neanderthin.com have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:* I'm only in it for the thrill Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15173 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: After Images, Thought, Emotions and the Soul(?) Chris says, "These experiments can be duplicated by anyone with access to similar facilities and I am happy to provide details of the equipment which I used." True, I built equipment, like this, back in the mid 70's and used it to make photographs of auras. One of the most interesting was enlarged to poster size and hung on my wall for 20 years. It was a photo of the very much expanded etheric aura, coming from the thumb of a person under the influence of smoking pot. The etheric sub plane is very electro-magnetic and causes electricity to follow it's path. From my observations, it appears that electric currents flow in the opposite direction to etheric currents (180?). Rick -- ICQ # 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ and http://petracity.intercosmos.com/index.html The only really natural diet http://www.neanderthin.com have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:* I'm only in it for the thrill Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15174 From: J J Dewey Subject: After Image Rob and Mark, Where do you get the idea that I am not talking about an after image? Let me quote from my article. "Your eyes will have taken a photograph of his etheric light and you will see the "after image" of his head glowing before you." A photograph is indeed an after image, just as in the examples Rob cited. If a flash goes off in your face or you catch a glimpse of the sun you will see an after image in the same way. If you move your eyes the after image will move. If you stare ahead the after image will appear to float. This is indeed what I am talking about so we are in harmony here, not in disagreement. My point is that the after image is of more than the physical body if you do the exercise right. If you look at something that is a mere negative or non living you will see the same after image each time, but if you look at a human you will see different after images of the etheric body at different times. I have looked at two different people with the same complexion and saw two very different after images of the etheric. One was all light with no shadows and the other has large dark blotches. Usually when I ask someone with dark blotches if they are feeling OK they will answer that they have a cold or feeling ill or depressed. I have also looked at my etheric and aura many times through the same mirror in the same conditions and lighting and saw many diverse effects. On the other hand, I have an image of a negative of a woman and every time I stare at that I see exactly the same results - such is not the case with a living human being. For those of you who are doubters I would suggested you actually try the exercises. Do the one with the thumbs and you will actually see the image of the etheric. When you see it you will know you are seeing more than just your physical body. If more than your dense physical is there and it is visible - does it not make sense that it would leave an after image? "Nothing in life is to be feared - only understood." Marie Curie Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All Rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15175 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Re: [Rick] Re: After Images, Thought, Emotions and the Soul(?) Rick ... Fast Fourier Transforms done with the aid of a super computer I had access to at the time showed phase shifting rather than polarity shifting ..... However ... Field polarity shifting did come from projection of "need' as opposed to "giving" and there were many patterns where both "positive" and "negative" fields existed at the same time .... ie these photographed as "positive and "negative" emanations ... and this was confirmed by measurement of emf frequency phase and amplitude ... both broad band and narrow band measurements were possible from DC to 400GHz. We were able to measure magnetic field down to 1 ten-thousandth degree of arc. Christopher Wynter Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-04/15176 From: Rob Subject: Re: After Image JJ and keysters, J J Dewey wrote: "For those of you who are doubters I would suggested you actually try the exercises. Do the one with the thumbs and you will actually see the image of the etheric." What makes you think I haven't tried the exercise with the thumbs? I did see an image. I've seen these kinds of images for years. Maybe my resistances are due to my prejudices. Suddenly, I'm one of the weirdos, too. Or maybe I always was one. "A photograph is indeed an after image, just as in the examples Rob cited." I can accept this. Following so far. "If you look at something that is a mere negative or non living you will see the same after image each time," Ok, I think I'm starting to see where more of my confusion lies. I thought that the etheric body was it's own source of light which is why I thought it should look the same for non-living bodies regardless of differences in the surrounding lighting. I can see now that this might not be the case. "but if you look at a human you will see different after images of the etheric body at different times." So the etheric body is in a constant state of flux? "I have looked at two different people with the same complexion and saw two very different after images of the etheric. One was all light with no shadows and the other has large dark blotches." Interesting. I'll have to try this. Thanks JJ for clearing that up for me. I'll try at the first opportunity to do the one with two different people with the same complexion. Rob Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15177 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: OT - Copycat viruses following \'ILOVEYOU\' computer bug are no joke http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/05/04/iloveyou.03/index.html _______________ Samu Karlsson eMail: samu3@dlc.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 Just remember not to forget and you?ll be fine... but you already know this, don?t you? Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15178 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: WARNING! ILOVEYOU VIRUS Fighting/Removing It... "May 4 - All the major anti-viral companies have released free trial versions of their software that can fix the new virus. Try going to www.symantec.com, www.mcafee.com, or www.sophos.com." Thanks Diane..I would not have known to think of getting the updates [I have Norton-symantec] ..so thanks for letting me know. Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15179 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Mutant Love Bug 'LOVE' VIRUS GETS NEW NAME, NEW LIFE By Bob Sullivan Thursday, May 4, 2000 MSNBC Complete article: http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp Excerpt: Computer technicians around the globe are holding their breath tonight, hoping they have largely beat back the ILOVEYOU virus. Perhaps tens of millions of computers have been infected by the bug, experts said, and it is already being called the worst virus outbreak ever. But there is evidence that ILOVEYOU may yet do more damage before the worst is over. JUST AS REPORTS of infections by the ILoveYou virus started to slow down, a new version of the program began winging its way around the Internet. This one has the subject line "FW: JOKE" and contains an attachment called "Very Funny.vbs." The alterations may allow the program to sneak around some antivirus programs, adding to the pain the ILOVEYOU virus has already inflicted around the world. Even before the mutation, there was evidence the original ILOVEYOU virus was still flying around the Internet. Free e-mail provider mail.com said it was detecting a version of of the virus on its service every 20 seconds late Thursday afternoon ? more frequently than it had been detected in the middle of the day. "I don't think it's over," said Joe Wells, a long-time antivirus industry observer. "Melissa came and went because it had limitations. This thing doesn't turn itself off." That might be bad news for the thousands of businesses that forced to shut down entire networks on Thursday in order to quarantine computers from infection. If even one copy of the virus remains on a network, restarting mail services could restart Thursday's ordeal all over again. So many employees left work Thursday night with no guarantee things would be back to normal by Friday morning. WHERE TO GET HELP Several antivirus companies and computer pros are offering information and tools to help remove the ILOVEYOU virus from PCs. Many sites are working slowly because of high traffic. ZDNet ILOVEYOU Anti-Virus Center: http://chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/hud0001100/www.zdnet.com/downloads/toolkits/antivirus/iloveyou.ht ml F-Secure's info on how ILOVEYOU works: http://www.data-fellows.com/v-descs/love.htm Trend Micro's HouseCall online virus scanner: http://housecall.antivirus.com/ Info from thePope.org on removing ILOVEYOU: http://www.thepope.org/index.pl?node_id=140 McAfee.com Anti-Virus: http://www.mcafee.com/centers/anti-virus/ Symantec Page: http://www.symantec.com/ Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15180 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: WARNING! ILOVEYOU VIRUS Fighting/Removing It... You are most welcome Judes. I only hope that no one on the list is hit with this insidious virus/worm. Now it's mutating to a variation of itself. I have a friend who works at the IRS and she said they had it there too Thursday. Diane Judy Reese wrote: "Thanks Diane.." Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15181 From: Samu Karlsson Subject Re: WARNING! ILOVEYOU VIRUS Fighting/Removing It... Diane wrote: "You are most welcome Judes. I only hope that no one on the list is hit with this insidious virus/worm. Now it's mutating to a variation of itself. I have a friend who works at the IRS and she said they had it there too Thursday." The virus was sent to me unintentionally by a friend of mine last night. I was already aware of this not so lovable virus so of course I did not open the attached file. The virus is unbelievably wide-spread... Just like the dudes from Data Fellows say (a Finnish company btw) they've never seen anything like it. No wonder, it had sent itself to all the people in my friend's address book, so today she had to beg for forgiveness from about 100 hundred people. A very malicious virus indeed! Btw, anybody see a connection between this virus and May 5th? Or do you think that's too far- fetched? Love and Protection, Samu _______________ Samu Karlsson eMail: samu3@dlc.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 Just remember not to forget and you?ll be fine... but you already know this, don?t you? Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15182 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: WARNING! ILOVEYOU VIRUS Fighting/Removing It... Samu Karlsson wrote: "The virus was sent to me unintentionally by a friend of mine last night. I was already aware of this not so lovable virus so of course I did not open the attached file. The virus is unbelievably wide-spread... Just like the dudes from Data Fellows say (a Finnish company btw) they've never seen anything like it. No wonder, it had sent itself to all the people in my friend's address book, so today she had to beg for forgiveness from about 100 hundred people. A very malicious virus indeed!" Aw that's terrible and I'm sure it was not her fault at all. I'm sure it originated from someone else entirely. "Btw, anybody see a connection between this virus and May 5th? Or do you think that's too far- fetched?" I have been very aware of the timing of this virus/worm. These guys have a warped sense of humor(?). But it's not at all humorous, sad to say. "Love and Protection, Samu" The very same to you Samu. Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15183 From: Marylin Subject: Re: WARNING! ILOVEYOU VIRUS Fighting/Removing It... Diane writes: "[CNN just reported that opening tan e-mail having the subject "I Love You" is harmless, HOWEVER, opening the ATTACHMENT that it instructs you to open for a love letter *will* cause problems. In addition, CNN said that it WILL COME FROM A FAMILIAR EMAIL ADDRESS" Hi Folks This is no joke. My daughter told me last night that Robins Air Force base (we live about 10 miles from it) was shut down yesterday for a time due to the "I Love You" virus. Please take and DO NOT download that message.Caution urged Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15184 From: J J Dewey Subject: What and Where is Soul? (Part 3) Here it is the morning of the Big day.... Cinco de Mayo! Party time. Wait, wasn't there supposed to be another big day? Oh yea... The end of the world perhaps. Samu asks an interesting question: "Btw, anybody see a connection between this virus and May 5th? Or do you think that's too far- fetched?" Actually, this type of "disaster" goes along with my comments on the alignment that I made a few days ago where I said: "This energy should stimulate the surfacing of conflicts on some level that will bring old and new age ideas into high visibility. If those working in the light play their part the resistance will be futile and the new ideas will prevail." Computers and the Internet are a strong representation of the new age and militant sabotage such as the virus is a strong residual of out-of-date thinking. Thus as we enter the planetary alignment met with high resistance (as shown in the chart). We have a strong new age force (the internet) met with a strong destructive force - the virus. This type of playing out of forces made a lot more sense to me when I looked at the chart a few days ago than the destruction of continents. Another playing out of resistant force is coming from the Federal Reserve here in the United States, but their acts will affect the whole world. They are worried that the economy is too good and are at this moment considering another interest rate hike, twice as large as last time to slow things down. This idea that bankers and politicians have that things are too good and that they must slow down progress is definitely anti-new age for there is nothing too good to be true. Fortunately there are accurate thinkers who are coming forward with resistance to the idea that "things are too good." What amazes me is that the public believes whatever they are told on this matter. Then too we must not overlook the fact that bankers make more money from higher interest rates. Thus it is in their best interests to convince us that we need high interest for our own good. As individuals we also get caught in the "too good to be true" trap and sabotage ourselves because of guilt or ignorance. Some people just cannot tolerate the good and feel a need to punish themselves. Glad my post helped you out Rob. Here is food for thought. When you look at another person your senses on various levels see and filter through much more than the dense physical body. First you have an atmosphere between you and the person as well as varying types and intensities of light. In addition to the light reflected by the physical there is blended with this the light projected by the etheric double. Notice I use the word "projected" rather than reflected. This is because the physical body reflects light whereas the etheric double is a source of light. There is more. In addition to this there is the aura projected by the astral body and finally the mental and causal body. Thus we are all beings of light, but unfortunately we see very little of the whole of the light with our physical eyes. I gave you exercises on seeing the etheric and most of you should have been successful at that. The next step is seeing the aura and I would guess that only about 10% were successful there for the auric light is much more difficult to see. The key to seeing it is to practice daily. I used to do this and got pretty good at it, but lost some of the ability when I quit working on it. Once you gain the ability, however, you never loose it completely. The first sign that you are seeing the aura is when you notice a light extending six to twelve inches away from the body. At first you will note that it seems to be a colorless light, but as you practice seeing it, the light will grow in intensity and seem to have color in it, but at first it is difficult to perceive which color it is. Then as you continue to practice one day you will catch a glimpse of the color in its fullness. It will be so bright and beautiful that you will be started out of not seeing into regular seeing and it will disappear. But then you keep trying and after a while you can hold the vision indefinitely. A short distance from the physical body you will see bright neon colors, more brilliant than anything in this regular world of seeing. You will note that everyone has different colors in their aura. Some red, some orange, some yellow, gold, violet and so on. Some seem to radiate only one color and others have several. The colors of all auras change with personal feelings. I discovered something quite interesting when I learned to see auras. That is a large percentage of people who claim to see auras do not see them at all. They either imagine they are seeing them or are flagrantly scamming people. This is also true of palm readers. Many who read them know nothing of the actual reading and interpretation of the lines, but pretty much make things up as they go. Now that you've made it to the point of seeing auras are you using soul contact? No. Many who do not see auras have soul contact, BUT developing the ability to see auras and refined light will increase your sensitivity to the impressions of the soul. Once you have achieved the ability to see the colors in the aura the question then is: What next? Is there more to see? Remember I told you that there are three worlds below the point of soul interplay - the physical, the emotional and the mental. The colors in the aura are projected by the feeling world within you, but beyond this auric color is more to see. Once you have achieved proficiency in seeing colors continue to practice seeing further out from the body. Eventually you will discover another interesting part of yourself. You will see clouds of energy composed of mental substance that circulate around you. It is here you discover your correspondence to an atom for you will realize that your physical body is merely a nucleus whereas there is refined substance spinning around you like electrons around an atom. This mental substance is a key to telepathy, for when it is sent forth by the power of thought and interplays with the substance of another person there will be some degree of higher communication between the two. Let us suppose you have progressed this far. You have now seen light in the three worlds. Is there more? We'll answer this question next. "Nothing in life is to be feared - only understood." Marie Curie Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All Rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15185 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Re: What and Where is Soul? (Part 3) you wrote: "Let us suppose you have progressed this far. You have now seen light in the three worlds. Is there more?" Seeing using the eyes, in whatever manner, uses the mind to interpret what is seen. The same applies to clairvoyance, clairsentinence (feeling) and clairaudience (hearing) which are known to some as psychic powers .. Empathy is another expression of this level of awareness because it requires mind interpretation. and in Transpersonal Psychology as "the Transpersonal Bands of Perception) (Ken Wilber refers to these) In eastern philosophy, "seeing" or awareness in this manner is known as "The Siddhis" The Light perceived is not the true light, but is "the seers" perception of the "light" as interpretation is based on learning, and the filters through which the "light" is perceived or seen. This area is one which, according to the scribes, should be moved through as quickly as possible, because, as mind is involved, it is the realm of the personality .. and the ego. Beyond the three worlds that JJ describes ( and there are others he has not yet written of) ... beyond the "Transpersonal Bands" ... beyond the "Siddhis" is the one who is described as "the Knower" The perception of "the Knower" is difficult to define ... because definition requires an understanding ... even the experience .. of "mindlessness" or that state where awareness comes without the process of invoking the mind as in thinking. Sometimes we catch glimpses of this level of consciousness with what is known as "intuition" where there is an awareness of "knowing" beyond thought. There are various types of intuition .. and what I refer to here is an inner knowing .. one which comes from "inside" and is not "picking up" on something or someone else's thoughts .. as is often the case when we know that someone is about to 'phone us .. this is telepathy... One of the clearest references to this level of consciousness is to be found in The Yoga Sutra's of Patanjali ... and Alice Bailey has a translation of this in "The Light of the Soul" ... which is OK if you read the Sutras and not AB's commentary. When thinking ceases, and when the body is purified sufficiently, one develops the ability to "enter the body of another" .. in effect seeing with the other's eye's, hearing with the other's ears and feeling with the other's heart. This is the essence of Shamanism .. where the human gives up humanity to become the rock or the tree .... (in consciousness). This is in essence, "walking between worlds" This state of consciousness is only achieved when there is an abandonment of all idea of personal self. This is found in the liberation from the three worlds, the realization of the oneness of all souls.. and that "light" is merely an aspect of manifestation. Here, the soul no longer exists .. as it becomes merged with all of being and becoming ... One who has achieved this state can no longer be observed in the akaishic record unless s(he) chooses to reveal something .. Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15186 From: Kathleen McIntyre Subject: Re: Grievances Really good Susan. Excellent thinking! By the way, we made it out okay and lived to be able to post something to the list. Kathleen McIntyre Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15187 From: Diane Linen Subject: Patches For Outlook And NAV Recent Viruses http://download.cnet.com/downloads/1,10150,0-10001-103-0-1- 7,00.html?tag=st.sw.3746.txt.10001 103&qt=outlkwrm Download the appropriate patch for the conventional Outlook client (97, 98 or 2000) and install it. (No patch is needed if you are using Outlook Web Access exclusively. Please see below for the NAV patch location) HOW IT WORKS: Once installed, the patch will increase the security protection provided by Outlook 97/98/2000 for certain types of email attachments. Once installed, this patch will change the attachment dialog box when certain attachments, such as executables, are opened. You will see more explicit warning language and will be required to save the attachment to your hard drive before opening it. This patch can help you avoid accidentally releasing viruses that hide in EXE files. Also, once you have run the patch on your local workstation and updated Outlook, please go to this site to update your Norton Antivirus Protection definitions against the ILOVEYOU and FW:JOKE viruses: http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10093-100-1815068.html?tag=st.dl.10001_103_1.lst.td HOW IT WORKS: This patch will protect your computer from the "I Love You" virus. This virus is a VBS worm that mails itself to everyone in your address book. The subject line of the infected email is "I Love You," and the attachment is "loveletterforyou.txt.vbs." This virus has the ability to download an executable, which can steal passwords when it is run. To use this patch, follow these directions: Download this file Double-click (launch) the file Follow the instructions on screen Start Norton AntiVirus and scan your drive. Before you reboot your computer, you must run a scan for viruses Restart your computer. You must have Norton Antivirus 4.0, 5.0, or 2000 to use this fix. PLease contact the HelpDesk at 888-253-6750 if you require assistance with these instructions. Post No. keys-l: /2000-05-05/15188 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: Grievances I had no idea you were on this list. I should have known, a truth seeker like yourself would find yourself here. Introduce yourself so everyone can know you! I am glad to hear you found help in getting unstuck. I was sorry we didn't