2000 - WEEK 13 Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13336 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Attention and Health Loving greetings to One and All, Just got home after a journey to Bellevue near Seattle to be in a Satsang group. The publisher of Ramesh Balsekar's books (Consciousness Speaks, etc) now does Satsangs around the world. What a glorious sunny spectacular day of synchronicity... to come home and find your inspiring post JJ. JJ: Not only does fasting help you physically, but it makes you more sensitive spiritually and aids in the control necessary to pass the first initiations. One time the apostles brought a sick person to Jesus and told him they could not heal him. Jesus then healed the man. The apostles then asked why they could not heal him. Jesus answered: "This kind cometh not out but by fasting and prayer." By adding fasting to any healing technique your spiritual power will be amplified. Zia: JJ, I never realized that the words of Jesus above meant his own fasting rather than the fasting of the ill person... yet instinctively I seem to have known that... hence the beautiful pregnant lady never had morning sickness again... and I fasted for a week spontaneously. Never put the two together, so thank you JJ. I have however regarding deep meditation. I had a dream once in which I saw that the man I was married to at the time, would die in a motor cycle accident... and in the dream I was with Gurudeva, the head of a monastery and an enlightened being... and I would call a lucid... that is more than just a dream... but a consciousness level of reality above astral. After the dream, I realized saying anything to this person would have no effect. So I just knew to go away for 14 days on a Vipassana retreat (14 days in complete silence and meeting no one's eyes), which I did. And interestingly the man is still alive to this day. Perhaps this is what Jesus meant by prayer... withdrawal from the world etc... and fasting did also occur as part of Vipassana although not totally on water only. I have never said anything to anyone regarding this... yet it just seems to spontaneously occur in my life, when necessary. I also would like to say that I am now only on the fruits, nuts salads, and vegetables... sometimes eggs, and minimal dairy. And today racing to get away... I just grabbed a home made trail mix of nuts and dried fruits (and of course bee pollen - great for energy) and this I had with water in the hour break at 2.30... and was not home until 7.30 and felt no hunger. Also had an apple and an energy bar with me, yet did not eat them. I find being in wonderful high energy of those sharing and a wonderfully loveable 'leader' that I seem to actually feed off the energy of prana from within and without, if that is possible. Perhaps JJ if we could understand, what Jesus really meant by prayer... and was he creating the images of perfect health... and in silence and fasting.... then this would make absolute sense to me. Humble servant of God, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13337 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Attention and Health Loving greetings to One and All, JJ asks: Question: Does spiritual healing really work? Do we all have power to heal or is it a talent given to a few? Speaking of sleep. They did a study to find out if the amount of time spent sleeping had any effect on life span. Guess who lived the longest. Those who slept a lot, a moderate amount or very little sleep? Zia: In my humble opinion spiritual healing does really work... and yes we all have the ability... however we may not all choose to develop and use it, and may doubt our ability and thus sabotage potential development etc. On sleep I would have to say... these questions of who lives the longest are conditional... healing occurs readily during sleep, so one would think if you sleep a lot your body will be in radiant health. Yet too much sleep I believe slows the metabolism and natural energy drives mentally and physically. Moderate amount always sounds good. Very little sleep becomes questionable or conditional in that the cause of the little sleep needs to be seen. If nervousness, fear, illness etc are the cause... then little sleep would not allow the healing of the body, and thus potentially shorten one's life span over a long period of time. However, if the person eats, lightly, has a sharp clear mind, and is in a healthful state... then little sleep may simply be all that is necessary, particularly if focus/meditation disciplines form a major part of one's life day and night.. since 'meditation' can give the body a greater amount of rest than perhaps actual sleep surprisingly. The quality of one's sleep/rest I would therefore say is the most important factor, to longevity, when in great health. And Craig, your simple enjoyment of taking in life, in quality and sometimes quantity, will surely ensure great longevity and happiness in that as well....:) Humble servant of God, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13338 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Gathering of Lights #15 JJ writes: "The Christ is mentioned again as Zerubbabel in the next chapter: "For who hath despised the day of small things? For they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel (The Christ) with those seven; THEY ARE THE EYES OF THE LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth." Zech 4:10" How did you make the connection between Zerubbabel and the Christ? ~B. Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13339 From: Wes Kennedy Subject: Diet discussion Hi all, I am a newish (2 weeks or so) lurker and I wanted to introduce myself. Drawn to the "Other", following the Internal Direction. Read JJ's on line book and found this list. What a lot of FUN! The diet discussion prompted me to fast for 48 hours last wed's-fri evening. Lots of Water and pure organic cherry juice, 32 oz per day. Eased back into the land of consumption with spinach and walnut salad and some tofu. I am primarily vegan, with occasional cheese and real occasional flesh of some sort (typically fish). I feel Great! I was feeling the flu nipping at my heels, and dropped that like a cheap suit. This was my first fast, and I was AMAZED at how easy it was. I really felt like I never needed to eat again. I also started chugging 1.5 quarts of water first thing in the morning, as per the list. No direct result, except more trips to the bathroom, but I'll keep to it. Thanks for the discussion! Love, Wes Wes Kennedy Evolutionary Technologist "Your philosophy is not what you believe, it's how you live!" -j rubin Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13340 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: Diet discussion Welcome Wes! "Fresh blood" is always good for my diet. Sounds like you got some good stuff going on with your diet too. Love, Craig Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13341 From: (Rick Audette) Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge List Question: "Does spiritual healing really work? Do we all have power to heal or is it a talent given to a few?" I don't think so. I think the person being healed can only be so if they believe in it, kind of like voodoo. Seems like even Jesus was unable to heal someone, if they did not believe. I hear lots about Reiki practitioners healing people, but don't know of any that can really do it. Same goes for all the other mumbo jumbo, they sell at health food stores and gems and colored lights. I've never seen any of that stuff work on a non believer. I think anyone can "heal" another, so long as they can trick them into thinking that what they do will work. It's like momma kissing your hurt, to make it go away. It works because you believe her. "Speaking of sleep. They did a study to find out if the amount of time spent sleeping had any effect on life span. Guess who lived the longest. Those who slept a lot, a moderate amount or very little sleep?" I think it is those that sleep very little. Rick, the skeptic Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13342 From: TheTripleGoddess Subject: ot my intro hello all! i am very new to the list... i have read some of the archives though. definitely far from all of them. whew! there are a lot! anyway, i have only gotten to read the first book so far, but i was enthralled! that is one strong book. all of my relatively short life, i'm 22, i have been studying different spiritual paths. from christianity (and the many forms of it) to paganism, to buddhism, to islam, and so on and so forth. i constantly searched and searched. there has always been this driving force in me to keep looking and learning and practicing. when people ask me what faith i practice i just end up telling them i'm a spiritual mutt. i take what rings true from my studies and apply them as best i can. i really loved the immortal. so much of it really hit home with me. i have begun singing the song.. that is truly wonderful. for the last week or so i had been contemplating that line from the book "i am becoming that which i decide to become.." and i thought i had a real grasp on it, but still i kept thinking about it in the back of my head for days. so yesterday, i was sitting outside getting some sun and decided to sing the song again. after i did, the line popped in my head again, so did a a new awareness of it. suddenly, it made perfect sense to me. i was filled with this energy that made me feel like i was hummimg with it. the only way i can really describe what happened was like..i had been let out of a box and was now flying freely in the realm of possibility. i really don't know how to truly put it into words..it felt so beyond words. for the rest of the day i was just charged with energy and peace. the only other time i really remember feeling like that was when i had been on a fast consisting of nothing but water and i had been doing a long session of hatha yoga. afterwards, i did a sitting meditation and i was asking/praying for guidance. after awhile i was getting upset because nothing at all was coming to me. i started to cry and ask why no one would answer me. then, i started feeling this tingling tight cap surrounding my head..it kind of felt like static electricity making my hair stand on end. then it changed. it started to expand till finally it was in full bloom. i knew it was my crown chakra opening up. with the expansion came the same bliss i felt when i understood the line from the book. this bigness, greatness, energy, peace, love.. and with it troubles i had been worrying about dispersed. it was wonderful. it seems like my life is constantly leading up to something. i am excited about getting into the nj meditation. i have only accomplished a little of it so far. for some reason i feel guided to attempt it very slowly, which is fine with my pisces sun, but a killer on my leo rising...lol my gemini moon is undecided.- i love astrology.. as for work and such, i'm a massage therapist, reiki practitioner, certified nursing assistant, and a former emergency medical technician. at the moment none of them are my actual job. i have taken some time off from work and am now searching for something new. to be honest, other than reiki, healing is burning me out. the mechanical part... the lifting and lugging and massaging..it's taking it's toll on me and i feel ready to go into another field for the time being. among other things i'm a mover and a shaker...lol i have to keep moving on and doing something new, shaking up my life for new experience and all. i guess that's about it for now. i can ramble on and on, but i don't want to make this too long and i'm sorry if it already is. anyway, i'm looking forward to getting to know you all! namaste! bonnie a.k.a. thetriplegoddess Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13343 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge List Rick Wrote: Question: "Does spiritual healing really work? Do we all have power to heal or is it a talent given to a few?" I don't think so. I think the person being healed can only be so if they believe in it, kind of like voodoo. Seems like even Jesus was unable to heal someone, if they did not believe. I hear lots about Reiki practitioners healing people, but don't know of any that can really do it. Same goes for all the other mumbo jumbo, they sell at healthfood stores and gems and colored lights. I've never seen any of that stuff work on a non believer. I think anyone can "heal" another, so long as they can trick them into thinking that what they do will work. It's like momma kissing your hurt, to make it go away. It works because you believe her. John: I have to agree with Rick up to a point. The state of mind is probably the most significant factor in healing. Yet a person with a very high rate of vibration and radiant health can affect another with a lower rate of vibration, and raise their rate. We had a lady in our group a month or so ago that was very ill. She just had no belief, or faith and it was very difficult to help her. On the other hand many in my own family were ill including my grandchildren. They were running fevers of 103 - 104. They had no idea that anyone was trying to heal them, and neither did the adults. The NJ Method was employed and in every case both the children and the adults were affected. This had to be repeated for several days but in the children's case the fevers drop back to near normal within ten to fifteen minutes every time this method was employed. The adults who were unaware also felt much better but could not account for the reason. They were never told. I also know what Rick means when he refers to Reiki. In my earlier years I seemed to have a natural ability to heal. Then later I studied the Rosicrucian Methods which are based on Tibetan, and Indian techniques. This requires learning a great deal about anatomy and which autonomic nerve feeds what organs. It also requires the ability to read aura's and detect imbalances such as overabundance, or lack of positive, or negative qualities. The problem was after this long course of study I seemed to have lost a great deal of my natural ability. Then later I learned the higher techniques of healing without any touching, and from a distance. I seemed to have a great deal more success with this than I did in person. I had never had much success with the first method. Then I learned a better technique. It was also from a distance but required only that one had the ability to bring the illness to the attention of the Cosmic Mind. This eliminated Karma which arose from intervening in matters we sometimes don't understand. Something that many fail to take into account in healing. There is a reason for everything under the sun. This method was the most successful of all because it put the healing in the hands of a higher power and took it away from personal effort, and ego. Then I became aware of the NJ Med Technique through JJ and began to have immediate success with it on the level of, or even better than the previous method. I attributed this to the combined concentrative power of a group of people and the molecule. I do believe that the Key in this method is the submission of our own will to the Higher Will. The more we try to put it in our own hands the less effective the method is. This applies to the group as much as the individual. So in conclusion, I feel that the two most important things in Healing are the submission of our own will to that of higher, and the mental state of the afflicted. As far as how many hours someone sleeps, I tend to think this is like what food is best for us. It is individual in each case based on numerous factors. I've never had much faith in these so called tests that far to many conclusions are based on. Since I have been involved in statistical analysis in the past I know that I can make statistics say anything I want them to say and can convince others of this even when I'm wrong. LOL I did this several years ago when I was Deputy Assessor and Chief Appraiser for the county I live in. The state was raising taxes drastically based solely on statistics. No one could stand against them because no one understood statistics, and accepted the power of the State as impossible to challenge. Out of 124 Assessor's in the State four had heart attacks, and four had nervous breakdowns from the stress of the States onslaught. Two just threw up their hands and walked away in disgust. I studied the States program and method, and then wrote a computer program that proved theirs wrong. The state's top people from the Department of Revenue came into my office, like a Lion, and went out like a lamb. I had to be between 95 and 105 percent sale price/ to assessment ratio to have this county certified. They approved me based on my own statistics at 102, when it truth I was at 78. LOL Ok so I digressed! Bottom line, if it smells fishy, it more than likely is! Your Friend, John Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13344 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Welcome Wes and Bonnie A BIG welcome to both of you!! Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13345 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: ot my intro Welcome Bonnie! It sounds like you belong with us. Love, Craig Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13346 From: Claire Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge Rick said: I don't think so. I think the person being healed can only be so if they believe in it, kind of like voodoo. Seems like even Jesus was unable to heal someone, if they did not believe. I hear lots about Reiki practitioners healing people, but don't know of any that can really do it. Claire says: I know you don't know me, Rick, but I use Reiki and it works. People I've used it with have not believed that it would work, didn't even necessarily know what it was, but it still worked. There was even one lady who was very skeptical of anything like this, but she'd had a vein stripping surgery and was in a LOT of pain. I spent about 5 minutes on her legs and the pain left and never did come back. She told me later. I never told her I used Reiki, why should I? I think we all have the power to heal IF we tap into it and pull it into the physical for the good of other people. Take for example people who suddenly save someone's life, or in a desperate situation they help someone but don't know where the power even came from, but they saw a need and they responded. This may be the only time they reach up and grab the power, but they needed it at the time. They didn't know they could heal, and the sick person didn't necessarily know to ask, but it happens anyway. Claire o:) Man is God in man becoming God. Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13347 From: "Caramel" Subject: Re: Attention and Health JJ: "Does spiritual healing really work? Do we all have power to heal or is it a talent given to a few?" In my opinion, spiritual healing works in cases where the illness is not karmic related. All have the power to heal, but only if there is the willingness, attention and intention to do so (be a channel for spiritual energy). For example, I don't think beings whom prefer to steal energy for themselves (like a dark brother) would really have any willingness or intention to heal anybody. They'd be more willing to take your energy for themselves, rather than using universal energy to focus their attention and intention to help heal another whom desires healing as part of their process (all without intervening with their free will nor their karmic path). If it were up to me I'd learn all the healing techniques I could get my hands on. I'm learning some healing techniques, little by little and get my hands on whatever book I feel would help me in that endeavor. Caramel Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13348 From: Deborah Matthies Subject: Re: ot my intro Hiya Bonnie, so glad your here!! but you know that :) I know you will love it here. And you fit right in . Glad you didn't want to stay a lurker like me lol Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13349 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge I've asked a number of healers for help and was willing to believe that they could, but I have never received any. That's why I think it's just an illusion that they and the people they work on are in. In the last week, I have all but lost my hearing and tinea has turned my neck and back red. I've tried to be open minded and optimistic about life and this list, but everything has just been going down hill lately. Y'all may just have to go on without me. I love the Keys, but am losing my health and am no closer to getting into NJ than when we started. I don't feel like I belong here and maybe I should leave. I don't even know why I'm here. All my life I have tried to get closer to God, but it's been one hurt after another. I wish God would forgive me for whatever I did to deserve this. I'll wait a few more days, before making any decisions about leaving. I'm probably just not thinking right because of my distracting ear problems. Rick Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13350 From: "Jennifer Hampson" Subject: To Rick Rick - You've got to be kidding! Please don't leave. You are so integral to my enjoyment of the Keys. Energy follows thought and my thoughts are with you through this black period. (Ears relate to balance and I'd agree your decision is being made at a time when you are a little off balance. So yes.... please..... wait a few days before deciding.) Love Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13351 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Rick Dear Rick, You have invested too much in this list, yourself and your call to service to give up now. You know you wouldn't be at peace if you did anyway. Your future is to locked into that of the Keysters and to try to take another path now would be like turning back. You are clearly going through a crisis - a gift of the soul to encourage you to call upon its full resources with all your might and strength to draw you even closer to God. Such crises are the hallmark of every true disciple and can lead to fresh vision and knowledge as the light of the Angel of the Presence draws closer to us. You are never alone, Rick. God is closer to you than a fish is to water and I know your friends on the list will uphold you in the Light of their love in the knowledge that you will emerge from this time stronger, more compassionate and with an even greater resolve to fulfill your destiny. You know we love you. Let that be your strength during this time. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Christ we seek is within us, In our inmost self, Is our inmost self, And yet infinitely transcends ourselves. *** Christ himself is in us as unknown and unseen. We follow Him, We find Him, And then He must vanish, And we must go along without Him at our side. Why? Because He is even closer than that. He is ourself. - Thomas Merton Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13352 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge Rick my friend, you're going through the Dark Night of the Soul. We're approaching the gathering and this is just normal. Many on the forum have been going through the most terrible and trying times imaginable just like you and I can't tell you how many how said to me the same words you said below in your post. I can even keep synthesis meetings together. It's difficult to explain just why and how it happens my friend, but it only happens to those that are near higher initiation, and have the highest potential to break through. I can only tell you it does, and it is a test of your resolve, to see if you are worthy to continue. YOU ARE! My own passage was so terrible that I would not wish it on Adolph Hitler, and that is why I am so persistent about helping anyone in this state. Rick the closer you get to breaking through the stronger will become the resistance. This is your ego fighting for its very life. It doesn't want to die, and it fears dying, and losing its power. It is dying or this would not be happening to you. Rick my friend, I probably hold the worlds record for most failed attempts by any one human being in one life time to break out of the Night, but I did, and I will always be there for anyone in the passage. If you can no longer stand on your feet, and you know you are going to fall, it doesn't take any more effort to fall forward, than backward. I have no easy answers. The Masters themselves don't. Even they must remain silent, during this time. Know this, you are not alone. The forum has been crippled as of late by this very thing. In other ways you are not alone either my friend. Your Friend Always, and Brother in the Light John Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13353 From: Miciella Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge Hi Rick, I am very new to this community and have know idea of the history here with you.... So if you have heard this before please forgive my redundancy..... You ask God to forgive you for whatever you did to deserve this..... I ask you now can you forgive God for whatever you may consciously or unconsciously feel God has done to deserve this..... You are ready to forgive self for whatever you feel self did....... Can you try and understand God is not doing this to you...... You are the creation of your life as you know it.... Why if God is Love would God punish.... We punish ourselves ... we feel the guilt.... We build our walls of separation with our thoughts...... They are only thoughts.... I ask you to be still....... And in that silence ask the Divine in you to be healed .... Ask the Divine in you for your health..... Ask the Divine in you to show you the radiance that you are......... It is all within you ... you only need belief..... If you cannot trust yourself first.... How does one put your healing in another's hands.... It is like you are wanting to prove that they cannot heal, so there is someone outside of self to blame.......There is no one outside of self..... We are all you .... You are us and we are all One.... There is no difference..... Only thoughts that we follow into stories, therefore it separate us.... Who is that, that I AM becoming I AM..... Who is the God within you becoming.... It is your choice ... it is your free will...... Do you choose the habit of suffering..... Or do you stand up and chose Love....... In Love there are only blessings...... In suffering there is only pain....... I humbly ask your forgiveness in my stepping in so loudly........ As we are one, I am also speaking to that, that is in me, that needs to hear this.... So I thank you for this gift to remind me to sit in the silence .... to do No-Thing..... And see !! Beloved Blessings, In Love Miciella Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13354 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Rick... Rick Audette wrote: "I'll wait a few more days, before making any decisions about leaving. I'm probably just not thinking right because of my distracting ear" To paraphrase "Armageddon" .. you leaving would be a "bleep greek tragedy". Don't do it man. Stick around. I know it seems bad, but I think there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel for you. Other's have covered that so I'll just add my support to theirs. Tough it out, I'm sure it's worth it. Travis Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13355 From: RWBH Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge If you 'go' Rick....hope you don't go too far. FWIW...I've had painful kidney problem last 5 days...and I hardly ever ever have any health problems. Hang in there for a bit, is my current motto. Care to join me????? brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13356 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: Brother In Need Paste over from the Spiritual Art of Becoming Forum John Brother in Need! Mon Mar 27 19:51:34 2000 My friends, many of you have been passing through the Dark Night of the Soul, and you have had a taste of hell lately. Rick Audette the founder of the Keys List is now going through a very difficult time in the same manner. I ask each and every one of you to go to the Keys Photo Archive and look at Rick's Pic. Look right into his eyes, feel what he feels, and give him everything you have to give. Rick is one of the most able among us, and a great example of Love in Action and Example. Let's go to a Brother in need. "Rick's Photo" Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13357 From: Paul Yu Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge Hi Rick, Do whatever you feel deeply you have to. But do it from the depth of your being in which there is no ill health, no depletion of energy, no feeling of frustration, no weighing down of any kind. Plunge into the bottom of the sea of your psyche and just stay there... Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13358 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: Rick (OT) Darling Rick, Do nothing without thinking it through. John Wayne & Christopher have been helping me, allow them to speak with you, soul to soul. I love you dearly,sharon Post No. keys-l: /2000-13/13359 From: Miciella Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge List John Kline writes: "Then I learned a better technique. It was also from a distance but required only that one had the ability to bring the illness to the attention of the Cosmic Mind. This illuminated Karma which arose from intervening in matters we sometimes don't understand. Something that many fail to take into account in healing. There is a reason for everything under the sun. This method was the most successful of all because it put the healing in the hands of a higher power and took it away from personal effort, and ego." Hello John, I am jumping out of my skin as I read what you wrote of the above healing method... It is ringing very loud in the center of my truth..... Would you share more of this.... It feels very natural.... And nothing technical to complicate the healing process.... Yes, how our Karmic Egoistical behavior ... just loves to step in and claim the rights to the healing..... LOL what a joke.... So to step out of the way and maybe just be a catalyst and directing to the place of where the healing is needed.... And Not get caught up even in being the Catalyst....... Oh that tricky Coyote Ego.... What a challenge you are.... Well, one thing for sure it can keep one on ones Toes....... Then I became aware of the NJ Med Technique through JJ and began to have immediate success with it on the level of, or even better than the previous method. I attributed this to the combined concentrative power of a group of people and the molecule. I do believe that the Key in this method is the submission of our own will to the Higher Will. The more we try to put it in our own hands the less effective the method is. This applies to the group as much as the individual. Also can you refer me to where I may read on this also..... I am new to this community and have a lot of catching up to do..... Beloved Blessings In Love Miciella Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13360 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge True spiritual paths are quite dynamic, as you all know. Change is the hallmark of an advanced being. Learning what gift the change has in itself for you is the game. Rick has been on his path forever, as have we all. Just eight short years ago I would have been happy if God would have taken me home. I'd just lost my career, house, church, wife, children, reputation & understanding of God. Since then my life has had several bumps. Today I am happier than I've ever been and very glad to be alive on planet earth. The greatest blessings are ALWAYS disguised as the most difficult trials. Believe it. Be blessed, Rick. You know the answers lie within. Love, Craig Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13361 From: Miciella Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 We are in this together this just arrived in my mail and to you I pass it ! The Story Behind the Picture of "The Praying Hands" Back in the fifteenth century, in a tiny village near Nuremberg, lived a family with eighteen children. Eighteen! In order merely to keep food on the table for this mob, the father and head of the household, a goldsmith by profession, worked almost eighteen hours a day at his trade and any other paying chore he could find in the neighborhood. Despite their seemingly hopeless condition, two of Albrecht Durer the Elder's children had a dream. They both wanted to pursue their talent for art, but they knew full well that their father would never be financially able to send either of them to Nuremberg to study at the Academy. After many long discussions at night in their crowded bed, the two boys finally worked out a pact. They would toss a coin. The loser would go down into the nearby mines and, with his earnings, support his brother while he attended the academy. Then, when that brother who won the toss completed his studies, in four years, he would support the other brother at the academy, either with sales of his artwork or, if necessary, also by laboring in the mines. They tossed a coin on a Sunday morning after church. Albrecht Durer won the toss and went off to Nuremberg. Albert went down into the dangerous mines and, for the next four years, financed his brother, whose work at the academy was almost an immediate sensation. Albrecht's etchings, his woodcuts, and his oils were far better than those of most of his professors, and by the time he graduated, he was beginning to earn considerable fees for his commissioned works. When the young artist returned to his village, the Durer family held a festive dinner on their lawn to celebrate Albrecht's triumphant homecoming. After a long and memorable meal, punctuated with music and laughter, Albrecht rose from his honored position at the head of the table to drink a toast to his beloved brother for the years of sacrifice that had enabled Albrecht to fulfill his ambition. His closing words were, "And now, Albert, blessed brother of mine, now it is your turn. Now you can go to Nuremberg to pursue your dream, and I will take care of you." All heads turned in eager expectation to the far end of the table where Albert sat, tears streaming down his pale face, shaking his lowered head from side to side while he sobbed and repeated, over and over, "No ...no ...no ...no." Finally, Albert rose and wiped the tears from his cheeks. He glanced down the long table at the faces he loved, and then, holding his hands close to his right cheek, he said softly, "No, brother. I cannot go to Nuremberg. It is too late for me. Look ... look what four years in the mines have done to my hands! The bones in every finger have been smashed at least once, and lately I have been suffering from arthritis so badly in my right hand that I cannot even hold a glass to return your toast, much less make delicate lines on parchment or canvas with a pen or a brush. No, brother ... for me it is too late." More than 450 years have passed. By now, Albrecht Durer's hundreds of masterful portraits, pen and silver-point sketches, watercolors, charcoals, woodcuts, and copper engravings hang in every great museum in the world, but the odds are great that you, like most people, are familiar with only one of Albrecht Durer's works. More than merely being familiar with it, you very well may have a reproduction hanging in your home or office. One day, to pay homage to Albert for all that he had sacrificed, Albrecht Durer painstakingly drew his brother's abused hands with palms together and fingers stretched skyward. He called his powerful drawing simply "Hands," but the entire world almost immediately opened their hearts to his great masterpiece and renamed his tribute of love "The Praying Hands." The next time you see a copy of that touching creation, take a second look. Let it be your reminder, if you still need one, that no one - no one - - ever makes it alone! ~Source Unknown~ Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13362 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge List Miciella you can find the New Jerusalem Meditation at http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/keysarchive/nj.html It has actually triggered Revelations in some. Also you are always welcome on the Spiritual Art of Becoming Forum located at http://discserver.snap.com/Indices/72212.html We cover a lot of things there that I referred to in my earlier post. Feel free to join us, we would love to have you. Many of the beautiful people on the Keys list are very much involved in the Forum. We work together in common unity for the betterment of all. Your Friend, John Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13363 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Gathering of Lights #15 J J Dewey wrote: "Again we have the seven mentioned. They are called the "eyes of the Lord" because they are overshadowed by Him or an associated Master, and are used as an extension of His life force and He can actually use their eyes as a "window" to the world to perform His work. "In the next verse we read about the two final entities who make up the BRANCH." Have the nine you've discussed in this chapter already become Masters? If so, would it be safe to assume they are part of the externalization of the Hierarchy? If not, are they high initiates who will be attempting to achieve their fifth or higher initiations this lifetime. Will they all be men? Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Christ we seek is within us, In our inmost self, Is our inmost self, And yet infinitely transcends ourselves. *** Christ himself is in us as unknown and unseen. We follow Him, We find Him, And then He must vanish, And we must go along without Him at our side. Why? Because He is even closer than that. He is ourself. - Thomas Merton Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13364 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Rick! Rick: I know many of us have heard your 'call' and we can start uplifting you in the song...remember just keep living..keep putting one step in front of the other and NEVER EVER give up! You will be greatly rewarded and the silver-lining is just around the corner! Trust me.... Much Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13365 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge I think it would be easier for Rick if someone could give him explicit instructions on how to heal himself. Step by step if necessary. He's at a low point and although people are being supportive, it's not helping him where he needs it. Otherwise I think he would have already helped himself by now. EAr candling may even help his ear problem. Diane Paul Yu wrote: "Hi Rick, Do whatever you feel deeply you have to. But do it from the depth of your being in which there is no ill health, no depletion of energy, no feeling of frustration, no weighing down of any kind. "Plunge into the bottom of the sea of your psyche and just stay there..." Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13366 From: Miciella Subject: Re: Gathering of Lights #15 Dear Glenys, Will they all be men???? With this being the time for the balance of the masculine and the feline.... It would not work with all Beloved Male's..... For the without the balance the center cannot meet..... The Master is the male and the female ... the oneness of the union..... Beloved Mother is now coming forth to bring her energy into light.... She has held us in her arms and cradled us throughout this millennium ..... And now is her time.....As Beloved John took the greatest of care with her.... As he accepted his roll of her protector..... She is the Key to the door...... She is appearing all over the place... It is through her Heart... This Love engaged in the Christ opened the door to show us the way...... And through that Love the door opens and hand in hand .... We enter..... In the balance of male and female.... There are only Beloved Blessings, In Love, Miciella This is only my belief .... And is not the only answer! Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13367 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Gathering of Lights #15 Thanks for your thoughts, Miciella (and welcome to the list, by the way). We've discussed the respective roles of men and women a lot on the list and you will no doubt come across JJ's writings on the topic as you plough through the archives, in particular his teachings on the Molecular Relationship. You will see that my question isn't as silly as it sounds given JJ's teachings on male/female polarities and the differing energies required for different tasks in bringing the Kingdom of God to earth. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Christ we seek is within us, In our inmost self, Is our inmost self, And yet infinitely transcends ourselves. *** Christ himself is in us as unknown and unseen. We follow Him, We find Him, And then He must vanish, And we must go along without Him at our side. Why? Because He is even closer than that. He is ourself. - Thomas Merton Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13368 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Re: Rick! The symptoms Rick describes are exactly the symptoms I experienced before I started going so deeply into the inner worlds of my self. Every time I did not listen to my "gut instincts" they would get worse. Every time I tried to hear something from someone to support what I thrught I knew, they would get worse Every time I would look outside for someone to support me they would get worse. Spiritual healers could do nothing for me When I went in under the tinitus and started to listen to the sound of my own breath and started to write what were my thoughts and feelings (and I have spent hours doing this) the pain eased off. What Rick is describing were my own symptoms as I went through my own "Dark Night of the Soul" and Nothing .. Nobody could ever make it better .. I had to go inside .. there were no teachers .. no-one who understood .. and plenty who thought they knew everything about what I should or should not do ... all of the well intended advise was like pouring gasoline on a fire .... There is a way through this .. and it lies within Rick ... and no-one can do anything for him at this point .. and any attempt to do so will, from my experience only exacerbate the situation for him.... *** If you cannot hear yourselves .. the inner voice in you how can you hear Rick. *** With respect .. the greatest help for me was one night when I stood on a railway bridge ready to jump and an Angel in the form of a prostitute came out of the darkness ... and for the first time in my life allowed me to cry ... *** without telling me how it was according to some book. *** Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13369 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Rick! Christopher Wynter wrote: "I had to go inside .. there were no teachers .. no-one who understood ".. I think most of us would have been through great darkness as we have walked the Path, Christopher. So I think it is more accurate to say that while there *are* people who understand, we can't see it at the time because we feel so totally alone. That feeling is part of the Dark Night of the Soul, part of the process. It is a definite and clearly documented hurdle that must be taken if we are to remain on the spiritual path. No one can avoid it. "There is a way through this .. and it lies within Rick ... and no-one can do anything for him at this point .. and any attempt to do so will, from my experience only exacerbate the situation for him...." I believe we can uphold him in the light and remember him when we say the Song. We are admonished to pray for one another. Rick may feel alone and that feeling may be more real than anything he has experienced but, in truth, it is an illusion because he clearly isn't. In my experience this knowledge can bring great comfort to those who are suffering in this way. But, I agree, Rick must get through this battle on his own terms and in his own way "If you cannot hear yourselves .. the inner voice in you how can you hear Rick." Wow! Did I miss something? Have people being saying they can't hear themselves or are you just making assumptions about your friends on the list, Christopher? "With respect .. the greatest help for me was one night when I stood on a railway bridge ready to jump and an Angel in the form of a prostitute came out of the darkness ... and for the first time in my life allowed me to cry ..." Hey, Rickie! Do you want us all to chip in and send someone over to you? LOL "without telling me how it was according to some book." I haven't seen anyone do that today. I've only seen people speak from their hearts with love and concern. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From the unreal, lead me to the Real; From the darkness, lead me to Light: From death lead me to Life. ~ Vedic Prayer (Brihadaranyaka Upanishad I.3:28) Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13370 From: ananda Subject: Re: Brother In Need WE LOVE YOU RICK!!! ANanda Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13371 From: Paul Yu Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge Hi Rick, When you find it difficult to hear the Word of God what do you do? This is what you may want to do. You embrace yourself with the loss of hearing. You do this from a higher position than where you are. From up there you have the power to embrace yourself with love. So don't stay where you are. Move about and elevate yourself toward the ceiling. Look down from there and show love to you. Your love will open the blockage in your ears and you will hear as you hear the Word of love while being embraced by you. Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13372 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Rick! Oh wow you guys, Small wonder I love you all so much. Things will be coming to a head in the next two weeks, here, then this year can start on an upswing. Because I have been nearly deaf for over a week, I haven't been talking much either, or playing my music, which all sounds out of tune and tubular. Not singing or talking, things got kind of pent up inside till they finally came out as a cry for help. I got all foggy eyed when I read all the responses. I couldn't leave you guys. It would be the death of me. Asking for help has always been hard for me, but I've been learning. If we are to be one, we have to learn to not only give help but ask for it when needed. I'm not giving up pushing the envelope. If anything, I'm pushing harder than ever. I started work on a new "spiritual" project this weekend. Don't know where it's going yet, but am playing with an idea for a web based comic book where the heroine, a Lara Kroft look alike, seeks to find, enter, and learn Truth in the materializing New City, which floats above the mountains of an island that has just risen in the Pacific, off the coast of California. So far, I have generated about a dozen frames. Perhaps as the story grows, others will join me in writing the script. The main character's name is Petra. Her personality type is the passionate unvieler. Rachel wants to pose for the part of the male and female angels at the pearly gates. See, I can't leave. Who but a keyster would want to read my comic book? I love you guys, Rick p.s. Di, I already used two ear candles :) Any healing you all can spare, send my way ok. -- ICQ # 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ The only really natural diet http://www.neanderthin.com have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:* I'm only in it for the thrill Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13373 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Rick! "Hey, Rickie! Do you want us all to chip in and send someone over to you? LOL" LOL, big time on that one. Gee, I dunno Glenys. It's been so long, I think I forgot what to do :) But hey, I'm not one to turn down a freebie, after all the last one cost me. Rick Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13374 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: Gathering of Lights #15 Welcome and, are you "In Love, Miciella!" You ask: "Will they all be men???? With this being the time for the balance of the masculine and the feline[more than likely a Freudian slip].... It would not work with all Beloved Male's..... " I'm about as male as they come, but I've been told that I look better in a nighty than most women (from a distance of course). I'm not androgenous, but the spirit certainly thinks I am. Any adept knows that it is axiomatic that male and female are approaching the center from different perspectives, not the least of which is emotional. Is that the only difference? Anatomically, I am pleased to announce several other differences which I will defer posting until all of my research is in(no pun intended). Love, Craig Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13375 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: Rick! I think Rick needs that angel's phone number! I had to take matters in hand when I was ready to jump. Luck of the draw Christopher; you got lucky. Love, Craig Christopher: "With respect .. the greatest help for me was one night when I stood on a railway bridge ready to jump and an Angel in the form of a prostitute came out of the darkness ... and for the first time in my life allowed me to cry..." Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13376 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Rick! We love you Rick. You have all our love and healing thoughts and prayers are sent your way. You are having trouble hearing and I'm having trouble seeing. There are days when I can't focus my left eye because the vision is so blurry. I'm having pain tonight in the area. What's it all about? You're not hearing something and I'm not seeing something. Loving thoughts your way Rick Di Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13377 From: Miciella Subject: Gathering of Research! Oh Yes, Thank you for that warm welcome Craig, Laughter is my favorite state of being!!! and the feline [more than likely a Freudian slip].... LOL Haaa Yeap your right quite a slip there...... LOL....oooppps...... Oh well had to come in with some kind Ker-Plunk on my face...... I wouldn't know how to handle it if I did it too gracefully...... I'm about as male as they come, but I've been told that I look better in a nighty than most women. But I really glad I was able to pick myself up off the floor. I would have hated to miss that visual!!!!! Is that the only difference? Anatomically, I am pleased to announce several other differences which I will defer posting until all of my research is in (no pun intended). Please let me know your findings on your research project...... and I think Glenys is taking up donations if you need any guinea pigs.......(No pun intended) In Love Miciella Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13378 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: [Di] Re: Rick! "We love you Rick. You have all our love and healing thoughts and prayers are sent your way. You are having trouble hearing and I'm having trouble seeing. There are days when I can't focus my left eye because the vision is so blurry. I'm having pain tonight in the area. What's it all about? You're not hearing something and I'm not seeing something. Loving thoughts your way Rick" Left eye is usually Past, "Mother", Feminine .. also shield .. needing to defend self ... ... not wanting to look at .... Is the pain above the eye in the bone .. or in the eye itself Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13379 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: [Di] Re: Rick! Chris it's under the left eye from the lower eyelid down to an area to the left of my nose. Di Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13380 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Attention on Health: For Craig and Rick-so he will laugh! Subject: New England Journal of Medicine The guys are going to love this one. This is not a joke. It came from the New England Journal of Medicine. Great news for girl watchers: Ogling over women's breasts is good for a man's health and can add years to his life, medical experts have discovered. According to the New England Journal of Medicine, "Just 10 minutes of staring at the charms of a well-endowed female is roughly equivalent to a 30-minute aerobics work-out" declared gerontologist Dr. Karen Weatherby. Dr. Weatherby and fellow researchers at three hospitals in Frankfurt, Germany, reached the startling conclusion after comparing the health of 200 male outpatients - half of whom were instructed to look at busty females daily, the other half told to refrain from doing so. The study revealed that after five years, the chest-watchers had lower blood pressure, slower resting pulse rates and fewer instances of coronary artery disease. "Sexual excitement gets the heart pumping and improves blood circulation," explains Dr. Weatherby. "There's no question: Gazing at breasts makes men healthier." "Our study indicates that engaging in this activity a few minutes daily cuts the risk of stroke and heart attack in half. We believe that by doing so consistently, the average man can extend his life four to five years." Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13381 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: Attention on Health: For Craig and Rick-so he will laugh! Thanks Judes! And I thought the reason I look twenty was because I inherited good genes! No wonder my brother looks like he's my granddad; when I'm indulging myself, he's always looking the udder way. Love, Craig "This is not a joke. It came from the New England Journal of Medicine. "Great news for girl watchers: Ogling over women's breasts is good for a man's health and can add years to his life, medical experts have discovered. According to the New England Journal of Medicine, "Just 10 minutes of staring at the charms of a well-endowed female is roughly equivalent to a 30-minute aerobics work-out" declared gerontologist Dr. Karen Weatherby. Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13382 From: Miciella Subject: Re: Attention on Health: For Craig and Rick-so he will This is perfect........ I love it!!!! More research for Craig....... and Rick... Well, this just might ignite some distant memories !!!!!!!!!! Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13383 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Welcome Dearest Miciella: What a beautiful name..and your words are so beautiful too! Welcome! Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13384 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Attention on Health: For Craig and Rick-so he will Judes Is there a study for women? Diane Judy Reese wrote: "Great news for girl watchers: Ogling over women's breasts is good for a man's health and can add years to his life," Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13385 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: What a story! Chris: With respect .. the greatest help for me was one night when I stood on a railway bridge ready to jump and an Angel in the form of a prostitute came out of the darkness ... and for the first time in my life allowed me to cry Judes: That is so touching, Chris..you and Miciela are bringing on the tears... and I weep with you too, Rick! Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13386 From: Miciella Subject: Re: Welcome Thank you Judes, What a nice Hello ........ Thank you! I hope as silly as the messages just turned, your are crying tears of laughter as well !!!!! In Love, Miciella Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13387 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Re: [Di] Re: Rick! .. 2 "Chris it's under the left eye from the lower eyelid down to an area to the left of my nose. Di" Hi Di .. I'm not going into all of the possibilities on list ... Firstly .. have you had a medical evaluation to see that there is nothing the medico's can find that needs treatment. Next. find the centre of the sore point and hold it gently with the middle finger of the right hand .. with the middle finger of the left hand on a point about 1.5 ins below the centre of the navel .. as you do, breathe and visualise the breath flowing between these two points so that they create a circuit (bridge) .. for about 5 minutes ... Repeat with hands reversed ... try this as often as you can for about 3 days ... 3X day or more .. Let me know what comes up .... watch the images and the emotions I feel that there are other symptoms here you have not mentioned which are related .. and other points needing release ... BTW '.. if you have any scarring on your stomach .. caesar etc .. you'll have to move to a point in the centre of the top of the pubic bone. Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13388 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Attention! Diane: I guess we can ogle too! But at what part? LOL...I think it was just a joke someone sent to my e- mail.. Love; Judes P.S. I have been having pink eye and gook coming out of my eyes..lately and see this that I am getting ready to start being able to see things I was not able to see before..the fast cleared my lungs after coughing up green gook..so I can start taking/breathing in more life..my suggestion to you and Rick is to see your illnesses this way..they are really healings..those on the path are really only having 'healing crisises' all the time...switch your perspective to the upside and 'let' it pass..endure..endure...endure...bless it..and know it is of divine origins to clear your eyes[D.] and your ears[Rick]. Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13389 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: From one to the other Miciella: I hope as silly as the messages just turned, your are crying tears of laughter as well !!!!! Judes.. Yep! One then the other! Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-27/13390 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Rick and Diane R & D: I truly believe it will pass..if you see it as a healing and clearing and endure patiently and humbly... Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13391 From: Miciella Subject: Re: Attention on Health: For Craig and Rick-so he will Yes, Judes.... We need something remember the balance .... Male / Female it's our turn what do we get to look at? LOL Wow is this not fair or what.... They don't have to give birth.... Once a month they don't get cranky .... They don't have to go through Mental-Pause...... And become a lunatic if anyone looks cross-eyed at them....... No all they have to do is stare at breast and get to stay young.......... AAHHHHH where is that balance again???? Miciella Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13392 From: Christopher Wynter Subject [Judes] Re: What a story! Judes wrote: "That is so touching, Chris..you and Miciela are bringing on the tears...and I weep with you too, Rick!" Underneath the tears was a huge energy which many wanted to label as anger ... and yes, some of the symptoms could be labelled as anger ... which everybody makes wrong .. and is therefore repressed. It had to explode somehow ... but what I found out was that the power of spiritual energy moving through the body often gets mis-interpreted ... There is a huge "power" is perhaps a better word ... that wants to move through the body .. a power pent up over years of being repressed ... For me, it found its way out through manual work, gardening, chopping wood, and miles and miles of slow, steady walking, doing nothing else but concentrating on my breath ... and feeling that breath moving throughout my own body ... Oh yes .. I listened to a few who wanted me do look at Love for a while .. it was a few of these types .. including a Minister of Religion who I previously respected who tipped me over the edge in the first place .... After the Prostitute came a Taoist Priest who "found me" ... and he let me talk without telling me anything .. but allowing me to express in my own words what I felt .. without judgment ... You see, I had the other side of you've got to do this, believe that when I faced a similar crisis in an ashram in India ... the "loving words" repressed it for a while .. and so did the sacred texts ... and Paul YU .. from one who has actually died in this lifetime, several times .. what you suggest works when the mind is in control .. but when there is no mind control, what is needed is a safe and sacred space for the energy that some call Kundalini to move its way through the body in a way that it is never again made wrong. and nor is the inner torment and turmoil to be made wrong as the mind has to face its own self judgments and the lies of what it has been taught to believe .... To do so, is a death sentence. But .. there is another way out of this dark night of the soul ... and the only direction left is the return journey inwards to Self with no regard to outcome .. or to anyone else's desired outcome. Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13393 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Attention on Health: For Craig and Rick-so he will Miciella, You really do have a beautiful name. How is it pronounced? Life ain't fair at all at times. But at least we have the breasts that get stared at, eh? Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13394 From: Miciella Subject: Re: Attention on Health: For Craig and Rick-so he will Diane: "Life ain't fair at all at times. But at least we have the breasts that get stared at, eh?" LOLLLLLLLLL AAUUHHHH Yes, that we do, indeed !!!! And for that I am very grateful...... And thank you about the name........ It is pronounced..... Mic-I-ella What a privilege to walk this leg of the path, with all of you! Blessings in the Land of Dreams, Miciella Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13395 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: What a Story!: Chris Chris imparted from his soul: But .. there is another way out of this dark night of the soul ... and the only direction left is the return journey inwards to Self with no regard to outcome .. or to anyone else's desired outcome. Judy imparts from her soul: To me, yes, Self AND the God Source..just me and God..and you are right no one else can go there with you and the thoughts and derivations from the soul are for your inner ears only..it is like going to the place where only 'you' hear the distant drum....and then realize that when you are most alone [All-One w/God] is when you are not alone....because at that moment of poignancy is when the Brotherhood steps in with whisperings of wisdom...or in your case an 'angel' in disguise...we are the 'angels' you know..you and me and our brethren that hear 'the call'. To you, Chris it was about releasing anger and a rising power within you...for me it was about 'knowing' who and what I am..which is a steel-rod running up through the core of being. To you it was about coming into your 'power'..to me it was about coming into my 'strength' and from whence it cometh. Love: Judes [Judy..who I really am] Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13396 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Attention Criag Miciella: AAHHHHH where is that balance again???? Judes: Yes..but they get bald and impotent..except for Craig who is always at attention... Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13397 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: You maybe Diane: But at least we have the breasts that get stared at, eh? Judes: Are you kidding? At 104 lbs [gained a pound] and 5'4""? Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13398 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: You maybe Oh! Sorry about that. Some of us get stared at a lot and some not a lot. Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13399 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: You Maybe yes..I have heard that it can be uncomfortable for the well-endowed sisterhood...Okay..good- nite Diane and Mic-I-Lea. heal well tonight..Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13400 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: [Judy] Re: What a Story!: Chris Interesting how there were some things read into what I said that I did not say ... This was, I found, the response of the typical counselor ... Christopher Wynter "Chris imparted from his soul: "But .. there is another way out of this dark night of the soul ... and the only direction left is the return journey inwards to Self with no regard to outcome .. or to anyone else's desired outcome." "Judy imparts from her soul: "To me, yes, Self AND the God Source..just me and God.." The God source is Self. there is no other ... "and you are right no one else can go there with you and the thoughts and derivations from the soul are for your inner ears only..it is like going to the place where only 'you' hear the distant drum....and then realize that when you are most alone [All-One w/God] is when you are not alone....because at that moment of poignancy is when the Brotherhood steps in with whisperings of wisdom...or in your case an 'angel' in disguise...we are the 'angels' you know..you and me and our brethren that hear 'the call'." Ultimately, you (I) am the drum, the drummer and the act of beating the drum .. There is no brotherhood other than I with my self. Yes I am saying there no God except that which was created as an image in consciousness ... but there is an essence of Self which transcends the God of consciousness "To you, Chris it was about releasing anger" I said it was labeled as anger .. it was not anger ... and could not be anger as my body had know genetic or inutero knowing of English .. so had no kinaesthetic understanding of the term, therefore my body could not know the energy associated with the label angen. I said an energy, a "power" labeled as anger .. Perhaps you know the latent energy within a mother which allows her to lift a motor vehicle or a car off a trapped child ...? Do you have a label for this instrinsic energy .. this "power" for want of a better work ... There is one thing that stops us applying this potential to our own healing .. and that is that we have never been allowed to .. and thus it has been turned against us ... It is this inverted "Power" repressed and and used by us on ourselves which results in our eating ourselves up with cancer. This is why the application of MRI to cancer tumors can generate so much emotion. "and a rising power within you...for me it was about 'knowing' who and what I am..which is a steel-rod running up through the core of being. To you it was about coming into your 'power'..to me it was about coming into my 'strength' and from whence it cometh. Love: Judes [Judy..who I really am]" Perhaps, after all, it is a language thing .. your reaction to my (male) use of the word power ... and I have found that it (power .. used as a scientific definition "potential to do work" ).... is not a steel rod ... that steel rod I have found was self control and self will exercised by the mind ... and when that snaps .. nervous breakdown .. dark night of the soul ... and if it doesn't snap .. or you don't diffuse it into the whole of your being ....... That's when those parts of you that you are trying to keep under control start turning on themselves .. eating themselves up .... Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13401 From: J J Dewey Subject: Smooth Sailing There's been a lull in the list the past couple days, but Rick sure took care of that problem. Rick, I'm glad you were heartened by the outpouring of the response to you. Don't you realize you're family, and we just won't let family go without a fight now will we? The first thing to do is as Chris suggested and that is to get an accurate diagnosis through a doctor. All true spiritual healers (with rare exceptions) start with an accurate diagnosis. Then I'd like you to share that diagnosis with us. This may aid us in the visualization and spiritual aid the group may offer. It seems as if many members on both lists have been having their share of problems beyond what seems normal. This is good news and bad news. The good news is that whenever an individual or group seeks to take steps that will further their evolution there is created a negative pull that seems to do everything in its power to pull them backwards. Therefore these problems are a sign that collectively and individually we are moving ahead on the path. The bad news is that even though we are moving ahead, the resistance, or negative pull can cause many problems that are difficult to surmount, but surmount we must. I have been picking up a strange energy over the past week or so and have been doing my best to let it pass through me and now it is dissipated as far as I am concerned, but I just received a phone call from my daughter late tonight that my mother fell and broke her hip and is scheduled for surgery tomorrow (actually later today). The power of negativity as a natural consequence and also as directed by the Dark Brothers is a powerful reason for the Song of the 144,000. In this passing Piscean Age the Dark Brothers have frustrated every work that has been initiated by the Brotherhood of Light by first seeking to destroy them physically and secondly by destroying them spiritually by frustrating them and destroying their faith and confidence in God and themselves. Their third avenue of destruction has been to infiltrate teachings of light with darkness and illusion so the few brave souls who come through the first two storms become misdirected and wander off on strange paths. Nothing in this physical world can prevent the interplay of positive and negative from working itself out. The Song will not do it, fearlessness will not do it and love will not do it. In fact as we take a step on the Path the interplay of the polarities is increased and the good and bad around us seems to increase. How does the Song help then? As you begin by focusing Attention on the Light with the Song you do not destroy the darkness, but you shine a great light which reveals the illusion of the darkness and as you are thus filled with light you create a place where darkness cannot penetrate. Light also reveals knowledge which knowledge is light which light protects from darkness because darkness has no power to penetrate light as light has power to penetrate darkness. The second stanza of the Song protects from attacks on the Spirit by filling us with the "fires of Love." When one is filled with love and is receiving love he will never give up his journey on the path. Only when one feels alone in a struggle does one feel like giving up. As evidence of this look at what the outpouring of love from the group had on Rick today. I think he realizes more than ever before that he is greatly loved and needed and this feeling rejuvenates the inner person more than anything else. The third stanza protects against destruction through illusion for if you are one with God you then see through the eyes of God and with such vision you will see through the illusions that attempt to steer you off the Path. My point is that various problems will still come even with the Song, but the Song provides three points of focus that will give you power to guide your ship safely to the new land or new age. The Song is like the sails of a ship. Maneuvering sails can guide your ship safely to its next destination, but it will not insure there will be no storms ahead. If the sails are used with intelligence you can guide your ship either through or around the various obstacles. Therefore, let us continue to say the Song with confidence and give ourselves power to sale to the promised land. In the meantime, I would recommend the group send lots of love energy to Rick. This by itself is very healing. I would also suggest a three or seven day fast on lemon juice (fresh squeezed) honey, cayenne pepper and water. You use about one lemon per pint of water and add the rest to taste. Let me reemphasize that you end the fast with a full day of fresh fruit and vegetables. The ears are connected to the throat center and in the vitalization of this center lies the secret of health with all the organs connected with sound. What are the attributes of the throat center and what about this center could be misused or frustrated to cause a problem with the hearing? Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All Rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13402 From: "Lawrence Kennon" Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge Rick Audette wrote: "In the last week, I have all but lost my hearing and tinea has turned my neck and back red" For several years after moving to Texas I suffered repeated severe ear infections. I have some empathy for just how painful and debilitating that can be. The doctor treated me with antibiotics which temporarily stopped it, but it tended to come back over and over again. I can't say that I know why they have become less common of late other than maybe I am getting used to Texas (Austin is claimed to be the "allergy capital" of the world by some). One time my regular doctor was out of town and his partner wouldn't prescribe the drugs without seeing me (meaning I would have to suffer for some time waiting for her to see me while they had a perfectly documented history of the problem). I flew into a rage and told the receptionist what I thought of that practice. Needless to say we parted company after that. Can't say I am too happy with my current doctor, but fortunately I don't have to see him too often. But those ear infections can drive one near to the brink of insanity, or at least sometimes I thought they would. When JJ talked about doctors being related to the "beast" I found perfect sympathy with that! I am new to the list. Have to admit that I originally subscribed under a different name (lf) just because I wasn't sure I wanted to have my real name archived on the net somewhere. But you were forthcoming to answer some of my questions (or point me to the postings). I need to thank you for that. I hope you don't choose to leave this list as my limited time here says that it would be less without you. "I don't feel like I belong here..." Well, I doubt the part about you not belonging. Myself I wonder about. A lot of the stuff in the archives I would have considered the stuff of LSD hallucinations not long ago. I suppose I have considered most "New Age" type stuff as the domain of "wacko land". So what am I doing here? As for UFOs, meditation, and channeling, etc. -- send them to the padded rooms. :) One of the things that attracted me was the new picture of Jesus that has emerged in reading JJ's book and then some of the archives. I was a hardcore atheist for a long time. My family belonged to the Church of Christ when I was young. Had to go sometimes. I had recurring nightmares of great conflicts, usually with me opposing the side of heaven. The other nightmare, which I haven't had since I was quite young, was the sense of being on "death row" awaiting execution. That's not one you'd like much. Not too long ago I became a "born again" Christian. But I don't think I ever really quite put that on completely, because I am always looking for explanations of things (that make sense, and feel right). And that is where JJ's book came in. God and Christ make a lot more sense in that perspective, and age old questions of fairness actually get answered. But then sometimes he says things I have a hard time accepting. Maybe because I can't check them out the way he suggests. But anyway, if anyone feels out of place here, it is me. But I am going to keep on checking it out because to paraphrase Peter, "where else can we go"? lk Take joy in this day the Lord has given. Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13403 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge Rick writes: "I love the Keys, but am losing my health and am no closer to getting into NJ than when we started. I don't feel like I belong here and maybe I should leave. I don't even know why I'm here. All my life I have tried to get closer to God, but it's been one hurt after another. I wish God would forgive me for whatever I did to deserve this. I'll wait a few more days, before making any decisions about leaving. I'm probably just not thinking right because of my distracting ear problems." Rick, I am so very sorry about the infection that is bothering you. I pulled out my very old Edgar Cayce manual on healing and found some very interesting information. None of it works over night, but I would be very glad to type it in and send to you email. Are you also having sinus problems along with the ear infection? The two canals are connected to the throat and infection in one can affect one of the others. Have you ever gone through a serious self forgiveness? I no longer have sinus headaches because that is what I did. I wrote pages and pages of things that I felt had been done to me or I 'thought' had been done, or I had done to another or 'thought' I had done. Before the list was finished I began the process of kind of "reliving" a particular episode from the list and deliberately went through a forgiveness of the other, then thank God for his forgiveness and lastly, (also the hardest) I forgave myself (even if it was only for being in the wrong place at the wrong time). This I did three years ago and still things are coming up that I didn't remember then. But the result is as I said, no more sinus headaches and (best of all) my thyroid gland is all but healed now. Birth marks I carried for years have disappeared. One was a roundish flat brown spot over my heart. Karma involved here and I apparently cleared that karma in this life. Rick, you know that we all love you dearly. You so often give us some very profound wisdom that always helps us through. Maybe you might think about taking a bit of time to yourself, in a place you find very pleasant, and you can talk to God. Then you can rant, rave, scream, cuss, make faces at, wave your arms around, stomp your feet, roll on the ground, kick a can, moon someone if you want to, be a STREAKER (hey, JJ got by with it) ......God is a very loving father and He will understand. You'd be surprised at the love you will receive back...a healing love...... Okay, Heavenly Father....... You promised that if we ask, we will receive. Now I am taking you up on that promise and I am asking for the healing of Rick's ear infection. You have said that you would not that any should suffer......I am holding you to that because I believe, I love and I know that you can do as I ask if it be Your Will. So take away the infection....NOW..... So be it.....It is done.....Thru the Name of Christ I ask Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13404 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: The Spirit of God The following is a question which was asked of me on another list. In the context of this particular list, I feel that my answer may be pertinent and provide an opening for understanding for some people. please understand that this answer comes from the background I outlined in my previous post to this list. Question: "What does the phrase 'Spirit of God' mean to you. It occurs 25 times in the bible." Esoterically, for me, the understanding is very simple .. but to put it into words is not quite so simple ... 'Spirit of God'... depending on the context in which these words occur, there can be several metaphors. Taken out of context, there are several metaphors which are quite "potent" in their meaning. If we go into the etymology of the two words, "spirit" is essentially "breath of life". Depending on the root word used for "God", we can have the meaning of "the most high" or, in the sense where it is used by Moses in exodus, "YHWH" the "unpronounceable" name of God with its roots in the word "being" literally translated in some versions as "I Am". It is interesting to note that in a "transcendental" state, YH - WH - YH - WH etc is the spontaneous sound of the in-breath and the out-breath. To take a step further, the root of "God" means essentially "that which is sacrificed to .. or to be a sacrifice" (from old German .. with deeper roots in Sanskrit) One meaning of the phrase "Spirit of God", for me, epitomises the "surrender" or "embrace" or sacrifice (of the mind/ego) to the essence of the "eternal life breath" or the eternal "cyclic" rise and fall, in and out which characterises our own breath, the waves, the tides, the phases of the moon, the intervals of day and night as characterised by the sun. In other words, it is the eternal way, "the Tao", the path from a "Zero Point" of "fullness" to a "Zero Point" of "emptiness".... the cycle of birth, life, death, rest, rebirth etc. (My Partner Fiona posted the piece "Zero Point" here earlier" In this context, "spirituality" takes on the meaning of "following the path" or "honouring the Tao", where the interval between the "Zero Points" is in fact, the giving and receiving cycles of "energy" or "breath" which is shared by all of creation, visible and invisible to the human perception. All else then takes on the nature of "illusion" as it is something which we "create" by our conscious and unconscious thought processes .. in that everything we experience is brought to us as a reflection of our "breath" .. and limit of our experience is directly related to our ability to "let go of attachments" and fully experience the "empty Zero Point" at the end of the outbreath. Only when "out-breath" reaches the "fully empty Zero Point" can we experience the "divine in- breath" because until then, we still have our memories, our "attachments". The essence of "Buddhism" is the essence of "experience without attachment". In this context, we have the meaning of feeling and letting go of feeling that which another "sentient" or "non- sentient" being is experiencing. In this context, where "religion" is perceived as "a way of life", then "Buddhism" must be considered as a "religion" in that it teaches "The Spirit of God" or "the way". Within the common meaning of "God" as taken on by the (original) catholic definition of "non- pagan", the only acceptable religions are Christianity, (Catholic), Judaism and Mohamadism. I trust this may provide an insight which some of you may not have considered as yet, in your thoughts. I do understand if you find this writing controversial or thought-provoking. Please, I would ask you, consider any reactions that you may have come from the genetic language of your preconceptions, and of what you have been taught to believe through perhaps lack of personal experience or through no fault of your own forgetting of the essence of your "supreme Self" Christopher Wynter, Hobart Tasmania anunda@anunda.com I am starting to post the complete series of articles in this line or reason at: http://anunda.com/soul/index.htm as they are re-edited. A discussion list on this following this concept is being formed at http://www.onelist.com/group/Dark-Nights/ and can be directly subscribed to here Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13405 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: You maybe Loving greetings to One and All, I am so delighted Diane that you have 'bared it all' with the list, and chosen to discuss your eyes and face... I can only say well done!! And I sincerely second Christopher's wisdom in recommending you seek medical advice and diagnosis... so the fears can be put to rest for good!! We are all connected and this is so magnificent to see, the uplifting of all us in camaraderie!! Humble servant of God, ZIA Diane: "But at least we have the breasts that get stared at, eh?" Judes: 'Are you kidding? At 104 lbs [gained a pound] and 5'4""?" "Oh! Sorry about that. Some of us get stared at a lot and some not a lot. Diane" Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13406 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: Smooth Sailing JJ Dewey wrote: "The ears are connected to the throat center and in the vitalization of this center lies the secret of health with all the organs connected with sound. "What are the attributes of the throat center and what about this center could be misused or frustrated to cause a problem with the hearing?" This article may far exceed the scope of the question that JJ has presented, yet the timing is perfect under the circumstances, and JJ has often stated that timing is everything. I'm quite aware that it doesn't answer part of JJ's questions. That I leave to you. It would probably be much easier to understand this if we increase the scope of the answer which may assist us in seeing the whole, rather than a specific part. Let's begin with a journey through the map of our own bodies. According to the most simple interpretation of this map that we all have at our disposal the explorer of life passes through their history, and planetary roots ( the feet and legs). Basic survival needs ( the anus and the first chakra region). Sexual drives and primary interpersonal relationships ( the genitals and second chakra region). Raw emotions, power drives, and social identification (the belly, lower back, and third chakra region). Compassion, Love, and self expression, ( the chest, arms, upper back, and fourth chakra region). Here we come to the subject at hand, thought, communication, and Self Identification ( the throat, neck, jaw, and fifth chakra region, and or ear, nose, and throat). The Self Identification mentioned here is not of the lower self, but of the Higher Self. Many in life are not yet ready to deal with the Unconditional Love of the Fourth Chakra, much less the powerful and life altering transformations of the fifth. It is here in many cases that an Armageddon of sorts occurs within us that threatens to tear us to pieces, as our nature sways back and forth between the pull of the Higher, and lower nature. The throat chakra becomes even more difficult than the heart chakra because this is where we must overcome many of our illusions. The first four chakras are on a horizontal plane. The fifth, is the first on the vertical plane. It is straight up in comparison to the first four. Here the aspirant must give up everything they have learned in life, (their conditioning, and attachment to their ego, identification with the lower self) and seek their true spiritual nature. This is where many are turned back, and give up, proceeding no further. The hypnotic power of the world is just too strong, and powerful to overcome. Like an abused spouse, the spouse fears change, and an uncertain future, more than they fear remaining in a certain, but ever painful present. There are some techniques, and exercises that will assist the student in their ascent, and journey through this sticking point. Here we deal with the sixteen petaled lotus of the laryngeal plexus, or the Vishudda chakra. Part of the complex is the Thyroid Gland. All of the endocrine glands of the body have a dual purpose, and function, of which one is physical, and the other is psychic in nature. Understanding the functioning of this complex can be very beneficial to the aspirant. The physical functions of the Thyroid are well known, and easily researched, so we will concern ourselves with the psychic functioning of this gland. The Thyroid Gland has much to do with changing of our thoughts into words and sounds, so we can speak or sing. In other words, it enables us to change the energy of thought into the energy of sound. Second it has much to do with the translation of sounds, heard by the ear into mental impressions. Third it has a great deal to do with the translation of the psychic energy in the human body into lower rates of vibration, which emanate from the human body as the aura. Because of its connection with the human aura, the thyroid has a very important effect upon the vitality of life and the growth and development of the cells in all the tissues of the body. The thyroid gland is the psychic center for keeping the living Cells of the human body properly attuned with the Cosmic vibrations which reach the body through the air, and the earthly, negative magnetic vibrations which reach the body through our contact with the earth, and through the food we eat, and the water we drink. The thyroid also controls the efferent, and afferent flow of psychic energy as well as the nerve energy in all of the cells and branches of both the spinal and autonomic nervous systems. In other words, it controls the inflowing and outflowing energy of these nerves, and nerve centers. This makes the thyroid gland the very heart of the psychic and nervous energy of the human body. And it is as important in this regard as the heart is in controlling the flow of blood in the human body. Another important function is the relationship between the thyroid and the area of the brain controlling speech and the production of sounds. It is because of this relationship that certain vowel sounds spoken or intoned in the proper way will control and direct the inflowing and outflowing of the psychic energy of the human body. In this way the psychic energy of the aura can be increased or decreased around the human body by the use of certain sounds either spoken or sung. This effect on the aura cause's it to become attuned with the Cosmic energy that is always around us. thereby helping us to become attuned with the harmonic conditions and vibrations of the Cosmic. By awakening the functions of the thyroid we can greatly increase and improve our physical, vital, and mental natures. As the thyroid increased it functioning the psychic aura becomes larger and stronger and ones personal magnetism increases. Thyroid Exercises Tuning and Toning the Aura The first step in building up the aura in attunement with the Cosmic so that you can make better Cosmic Contacts and properly prepare for your future initiation contact. Either sit, or stand comfortably and visualize the color of a vibrant, radiant, deep red. At the same time intone the sound AHHHHHHHHHHHH. Try to hold this sound about fifteen seconds, then stop, take a deep breath and say it again with the mouth always open as wide as possible. Remember always take a deep breathe and visualize deep red as a red rose. Do this five, or six times as often as possible. Second concentrate on the thyroid as a ball of radiant energy, and don't let your hands or feet touch together. Then think of this energy passing down to the Solar Plexus. After a while concentrate on the Solar Plexus until you feel a warmth or twitching feeling there. Then go to sleep. Third try to visualize yourself as the thyroid gland. Here you actually have to become one with it. It's not as difficult as it sounds. Give it a try! When the thyroid is stimulated the inner consciousness is quickened, meditation is more easily entered into, and illuminating experiences are more frequent, coming as a sensation of exhilaration and also as a flow of inspirational thought. This gland responds readily to certain vibrations of the higher psychic octaves of Cosmic energy transmitted to it, and to certain combinations of Vowels. For the next exercise place your thumb and first two fingers of your right hand together. Press them firmly but comfortably against the throat in the region below the Adams Apple. Then intone three times Khei-Ra. Hold the breath as long as is comfortable before exhaling and intoning the vowel sound simultaneously. The vibrations heard as sound and those transmuted in the form of nerve energy from the radial nerves at the tips of the three fingers will gently stimulate the Thyroid Gland, a Psychic Center of the Body. Khei-Ra is pronounced Kay-eee-Rah. These are from some of the highest initiatory rites of the Ancient Egyptian Mystery Schools. To be pronounced as given Kay-ee is intoned in the note of E Natural above middle C and corresponds to Blue - Violet in the color spectrum. The vowel sound of Khei alone has the inherent power of being soothing, peace producing, and starts the healing process and cures illness. . Rah or Ah should be intoned in A natural above middle C and corresponds to Red - Orange in the color spectrum. Ahhhh represents the Positive Vitality of Masculine Nature. The R is Regulating, and gives and brings forth Order no matter how positioned in a word. The combination of the two is then RA the positive masculine creative power of the Cosmic Mind empowering Khei which has much to do with the healing processes at a deep level, or the bringing into harmony with the Cosmic, our own rate of vibration. These are very powerful intonations and have long been hidden and guarded by the Mystics down through time. It is one thing to understand this material intellectually, but entirely another to understand its underlying meaning and principles through revelation, or illumination. This process must be understood from the Inner outward rather than the outer inward. If you're interested go back and read my article on the Dark Night of the Soul. It will shed more light on the lingual powers of nature. Experiment with the knowledge, and the exercises. See what works for you. If you don't understand musical tones, then do as JJ Dewey has taught and just run the gament of the scale until something clicks for you. I hope this helps some of you in your journey. Your Friend, John Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13407 From: "James A. Clark.Jr." Subject: Hey Rick and Di I can feel you both....and everyone who has said anything on this list...I have started over and over and over too...each time being stronger from the last go round... We are with you...during one dark night I had a moving rash.... it moved all around my body and there was no apparent cause nor cure it finally just went away... during other dark moments I found myself gnashing teeth and spinning like a top.. but afterward I came to the sense that we are allowed to spin and such while some other greater good was working other things in me and when the spinning stopped *I was in a better place... always.. not even concerned about the little things that seemed so big at the time... in response to that report about men looking at boobs to become younger??? what about the guys who are turned on by any other part of a woman's anatomy?????? I would say don't just go for the boobs just go for what you like.. and you women out there... don't be shy look at the guys if that's what ya want to do... Craig i have a nightee you might be interested in...lol I know we are learning to be a group and hope that the serious study and laughter continue!!!! Love to all, James Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13408 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-03-27 of The Keys of Knowledge Loving greetings One and All, Marilyn that is the most beautiful post I have read of yours... (not that they are not all beautiful...) and thank you for your beautiful prayer and love directed to Rick... I simply add my SO BE IT!! I joined off-list in surrounding Rick in love and healing... and am glad he has the courage to speak up, for it has given others such as Diane and many others the courage to do the same... acknowledge that healing may occur. I love all of you, and I reinforce the fasting JJ, I too had seen the same thing was very necessary this morning. Love to all of you, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13409 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Smooth Sailing Loving greetings to One and All, JJ asks: The ears are connected to the throat center and in the vitalization of this center lies the secret of health with all the organs connected with sound. What are the attributes of the throat center and what about this center could be misused or frustrated to cause a problem with the hearing? Zia: I see the throat center as the full expression of Soul/Spirit/God. I would actually look at the reverse or the 'opposite' in Rick's case. It may be that Rick feels HE is not being heard... no one can hear him, in what he is presently going through, that whatever expression he puts forward it seems useless. Happily the list has shown otherwise, for he was at that most challenging point... do we give up or do we rise up?? I am happy to see he has chosen the latter, and love him deeply for it. In feeling unheard and perhaps misunderstood, he reflected that within himself. The load just grew. And also with expression, comes great personal judgment as to what we 'could' say and instead we say what we feel we 'should say' and thus sabotage ourselves, not wanting to be supposedly 'unspiritual', and unloving. The load grew more. In fact perhaps he did not want to hear what HE was 'having' to say. Each of us has shared with you Rick, given you much 'food for thought' some so exquisitely beautiful to truly talk to your soul. Your bounty is truly overflowing, and so is the love, light and power we all hold you in. In my heart I set you free to be totally you, and to express truly who and what you are and how you feel, and find acceptance, at least within me, my beloved friend. That has been true since we first spoke... and I stand beside you now, perhaps unseen but truly loving of you. Humble servant of God, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13410 From: Lorraine Brutsman Subject: ME too Hi Keysters, I just had to drop a line to you all and let you know that there must be some cosmic energy out there because I also have been struggling beyond belief. I have lost my job, lost my house, my teenage son has flown the coop (his choice) and I have no money. On the other hand, I met a man named Joe and have begun the process of bonding to him. In other words, I am falling in love. He will be at the gathering so you can meet him then. He is reading JJ's stuff and agrees with all of it so far. He met JJ and they really liked each other. But, about once a week I get this incredible headache. The very top of my head hurts and behind my eyes. Now my first thought was stress. Which seems perfectly natural and reasonable that it would be the cause. However, I have noticed a negative thought pattern that comes with it. I start thinking with my ego. I think about how dangerous it is to try another relationship, how I don't want to be dependent on another. I struggle to the point that I am ready to run away, leave him and move in with my sister or something. But, after I hear myself say that option, I begin to think, "This is crazy. What am I saying?" Then I get flooded with peace and love and my love for him grows. And I know then, that I have made the right choice. But the poor guy must think I'm some kind of nut. I am literally wrestling with myself, as we all are. I know the crisis has passed and all is well again, but I wanted you guys to know that I am growing too. As only those willing to hurt do. Love you guys Lorraine Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13411 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Rick's internet comic book concept Rick: Thanks for sending me the image from your new initiatory concept and enterprise!! I am so impressed with your talent and originality and ingenious ability to bring this into reality. Awesome! Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13412 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: ME too Way to go, Lorraine! Is he good in b..... oops.... As Tara Singh said, "What good is one person's life if it can't be shared." I'm happy for you! Love, Craig "Lorraine Brutsman" writes: "Hi Keysters, I just had to drop a line to you all and let you know that there must be some cosmic energy out there because I also have been struggling beyond belief. I have lost my job, lost my house, my teenage son has flown the coop (his choice) and I have no money. On the other hand, I met a man named Joe and have begun the process of bonding to him. In other words, I am falling in love." Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13413 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: ME too That's great news... well the part about the new guy is anyway. But be careful. Craig is likely to ask you a 'personal' question or two. ;) Love, Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13414 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Headaches .. self help The following information may be of some assistance to those on this list who are suffering some form of severe headache. I'm sorry if this is long, but there needs to be some explanation of what is happening. The "cosmic energy" that some write of is a change in the magnetic flux of the Earth's magnetic field .. which is causing changes in the "earthy" chakras of the physical body ... I would stress at this point that if the headache continues unabated for long periods, medical advice should be sought. However, I have found that the following works for many people who suffer headaches as a result of changes in the physical energy dynamics of the body caused by "work" on the spiritual path. This is a relief which I have used with people in my own group .. and also with those on my discussion list with great success. One of the primary causes of some headaches is that deep "spiritual work" starts to get down into that part of the body where the beliefs about your relationship with the world are stored. The set of bones known as the sacrum hold these beliefs. Those beliefs which you took on prior to birth .. the influences from mother's womb are stored in the coccyx or tail bone. Because of "energy blocks" located in the throat (inability to communicate with self) and at the back of the "heart chakra", the "string" that is the spine (I'm using the wave principle of a violin string here), rather than being one long string is broken .. or pinched at these points. Effectively, what I am saying is that memories and discomfort awakened at one end of the "string" (the coccyx and the sacrum) are pulsating through the head ... and because most are unaware of their own "pain in the bum" this translates to a pain in the head. There is a similar block at the junction of the coccyx and the sacrum .. with the coccyx or tail bone the "memory file" of stored beliefs .. and very much unconsciously the "tail that wags the dog". This self help process assists in evening out the vibrations or waves along the length of the spine by bridging some of the "nodes" in the string. It is possible that if the following is practiced on a regular basis, that there may be some discomfort arises. These are memories that are stored in this area of the body coming up for release .. and all one has to do is acknowledge this fact. The Process itself takes as long as is needed .. and some benefit can be obtained by doing it on a regular basis several times a day ... The two points that need to be "bridged" are the very tip of the coccyx (tail bone) and another point in the "small of the back" (the lumbar spine). If you gently push the vertevbrae along this section of the spine from the sacrum up to the base of the ribs, you will probable find one area which is sensitive to touch. If there are several such points, start with the lower one first and then repeat the bridge to each succeeding higher one in succession. You will, in this short exercise, use the first two fingers of each hand .. the index and middle finger .. with the pad of the middle finger resting on top of the finger nail of the index finger. It is the tip of the index finger that is used to "touch" the points. You can start with the left index finger on the tail bone and the right index finger on the upper lumbar point ... and hold for about 5 minutes. Then reverse hands with the right hand going to the tail bone point. Hold again for 5 minutes. Repeat this pattern again ... and move, rest ... drink water (it will release toxins into the blood stream. Repeat the whole process as often as required. There can be a benefit in following this as a discipline as part of spiritual practice. If anyone has questions, I would be happy to answer them. This is only one of a number of "self help physical releases" that I use. Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13415 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Chris: Soul message Chris: Perhaps, after all, it is a language thing .. your reaction to my (male) use of the word power Judes: I really 'got' what you were imparting..Chris..and did not have any reaction to it except recognition that it was soul-imparted...divine ....and only your way of expressing a divine experience. I was attempting to 'honour' your experience and imparted mine...which was my interpretation and using my own words. I understood what you meant when you said power..I really did...I am sure that soul experiences can be very unique..as we all have different 'traits' and 'timbres' of soul-essence that we draw upon. I was not saying my experience was any more or any less...just unique....check out JWK's site he imparts his experience with the Dark Nights and how his soul was strengthened..he does not use these words..but uses the word 'warrior' instead. Definitely just a language-thing. How can we put into words that which is almost beyond our word supply and limited language? Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13416 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Smooth Sailing JJ asked us to contemplate: "What are the attributes of the throat center and what about this center could be misused or frustrated to cause a problem with the hearing?" Judes: Not speaking up..or speaking one's truth imparted from their soul Feeling stifled by society, others, or lack of courage[not being liked]..to speak truth Communicative skills..and how to impart truth effectively without offending or being misunderstood, etc. Talking or jabbering to hear one's head rattle...[LOL]..IOW meaningless conversations {no inference here..Rick..really you SEEM to NOT have any problem speaking your truth] JJ..also curious for Diane's sake and healing..what are the 'eyes' connected to or associated with..and for me ...the lungs or bronchii? Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13417 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: [Judes] Re: Smooth Sailing Depending on the areas of the eye surround affected, there is a reflection from the the areas of heart-lung-small intestine-kidneys ... ie .. deeply repressed grief, inability to stomach life acceptance of self, and not wanting to breathe .. meridians grossly reflected at a number of points on the boney structure below and beside the eyes are tripple warmer pericardinum small intestine kidney Bronchial is affected by conjestion in T1 .. the large thoracic vertebrae at the base of the neck/top of the spine where all memories of "first breath" particularly after trauma are stored ... this will give blurriness for the eyes. There is a "self help" release for this point if anyone is interested. There are also two points on the boney protruberance above the eyes which give trouble .. and these are the "links" between the brain and the body. Two other points which can give trouble are located un the underside of the collar bone about 1.5 inches each side of the sternum (breast bone) these fire up when there is a toxic overload in the system ... and block the flow of blood to the brain to prevent brain toxemia. Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13418 From: (Jean) Subject: Rick.... Dearest friend, we are all here for you, I felt sadness and joy reading your posts, the joy came later when I knew you said you would stay. John is right , we have all been going through a dark night of the soul, I have of late as a few others on Johns forum and some on our keys list here. What helped me get through it ..this time...is knowing I am not alone. As you are not. As John explained we have ring pass nots, we come to this point when we are most ready to reach the next phase so to speak....so many of letting go old beliefs and bringing on the new. Out with the old and in with the new. But you are still you , and a wonderful person I may say. Your presence on this list is most needed for many reasons, keep that in mind, because of you , your brought so many people together and so many friendships have started from this list and branching off this list. I hope sometime soon you post to Johns forum, it is really good I get so much from both lists, that really help. As for the forgiving, you must let that go, you are no more in need of it than anyone else. And in truth you already are as we all are. My faith is in you my friend. Keep up the good work Love, Jean My included homepage: http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13419 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Hearing Truth: Rick I wanted to add to my Smooth Sailing response: Hawing the 'guts' to hear[really hear] truth instead of what me may want to hear could also be a part of the hearing area of healing. What I mean is sometimes we do not ask point-blank questions to our associates [bosses, friends, family, etc.]; because we are afraid to hear the real truth or we are concerned that we are not ready to hear the truth...because we may have to make CHANGES[big changes] in our lives. Sometimes..it is easier to live with an illusion about a work situation or relationship that both/all parties are participating in..to keep the mirage rolling. So to HEAR truth; both from others; ..the media.,.the govt,...and our very souls..can be one of the scariest things that we will ever do. My quest for truth above all..brought me to this realization that if I want to hear truth..I must first speak truth..and then have the courage to hear it [at stages I can handle that precipitate changes]. At one point. about 3 years ago I had enough courage to ask my boss exactly WHAT were his plans for my role in his company in the near and far future to weigh against the illusionment of my expectations in this area. The answer was not pretty. I was expecting to be a semi-partner within 3-5 years and then help him to retire as I ran his company. Especially after me and my sister literally built his company from the ground-up for 10 + years. The answer was that he had already committed to another college of his the exact scenario I had been building toward. Needless, to say, I had to make changes and quickly..and have had my own successful software company for 3 years. It is NOW time for the changes scenario..as my business is coming to a complete stand-still..but I see this as an initiation into higher-levels of service [hopefully]..and the song and fasting and contemplation have brought me a couple of ingenious ways to bring in income to replace my business. Not ready to be poor and serving..LOL...my soul wants too much freedom...been there..done that. Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13420 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: [Judes] Hearing Truth: Rick This I have learned .. If I look outside of myself for approval and acceptance .. If I place my concept of success or failure in the status of approval for another Then someone else always gets what I have built up as a hope outside of self ... and I am left with the mirror ,, the reverse reflection of my hope for myself. I have found that the higher the hope and the expectation "out side of Self", the deeper the pit I dig for myself .. the deeper my own "dark night of the soul" The "warrior" is directly linked to memories stored in chromosome 38 .. the survival chromosome inherited from the male parent .. and must be embraced for the "dark night" in its deepest aspects to be successfully negotiated. In other words, complete surrender to "the essence of the beloved" that St John of the Cross wrote about ... or "The Spirit of God" I wrote of earlier. I remember my own death .. and understand it outside the preconceptions imposed by the doctrine and dogma of religion and spirituality. Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13421 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Love - Hate Comment Received on another list .... "Hate is distorted love. Often. You're never going to hate anyone more than you hate someone you loved who hurt you badly." My Reply you hate someone you loved hurt who you badly because you placed on to that person your own need for fulfillment for the emptiness you perceived within yourself. When the "loved out of need" person leaves your life you are left to face the "emptiness" you most desperately sought to avoid by looking outside of Self. The "judgment" of yourself is then once again projected outside of yourself onto the person you expected would fill your "emptiness" The "hate" is an external manifestation of your (denied) hatred of self. In order to face this, we have to face our own "mortality" and our own "emptiness" ... We are taught to fear this more than anything else ... and history reminds us through "religion" that to fill this "emptiness" or "ignorance" with "Knowing of Self" is an heretical belief. Ultimately, our hated of our lost lover is a manifestation of the "dark night of the soul" Your Thoughts...? Christopher Wynter, Hobart Tasmania anunda@anunda.com I am starting to post the complete series of articles in this line or reason at: http://anunda.com/soul/index.htm as they are re-edited. A discussion list on this following this concept is being formed at http://www.onelist.com/group/Dark-Nights/ and can be directly subscribed to here Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13422 From: "Caramel" Subject: Re: Brother in need Lots of love and light coming your way, Rick. I have an ear infection, by the way. The doctor prescribed me some ear drops last Wednesday. But I can hear. I had a very bad cold. I'm recuperating. Prompt recuperation. I'll pray for ya. Caramel Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13423 From: Miciella Subject: Re: Love - Hate Christopher Wynter writes: "http://anunda.com/soul/index.htm" Thank You Christopher..... I was just asking the question..... Who is Christopher Wynter, with all this incredible information? And Waa Laa..... This appears..... All is in perfection as always...... I have been in front of this thing all day, but after I rest these bloodshot eyes...... I will indulge my curiosity....... There are only Blessings, In Love, Miciella Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13424 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Love-Hate Chris: The "hate" is an external manifestation of your (denied) hatred of self. In order to face this, we have to face our own "mortality" and our own "emptiness..." Judes: Yes..I agree with you on this..the 'self-hatred' thing is really what the Dark Nights are about and most illnesses. It is the great 'obstacle' to all deliverance from our chains..at least for me..I know this to be true. I would very much like to know WHERE this comes from or what is the source of this self-hate?...Chris??...JJ??..JWK??..anyone have any thoughts? Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13425 From: Rick Audette Subject: The cure Well well well, Ya know, things were getting as stuffy on the list as they were in my head, but, as JJ mentioned, things have really loosened up. Craig and James swapping nighties, all the guys checkin' out healthy breasts, people learning to speak Tasmanian, John stickin his fingers down his throat and hollerin oley oley home free, us Texans wouldn't go to a doctor, no how, no way. Me, I'm taking a break from those archives and I'm creating a comic book, for those who just like to look at the pictures. Just talked to my dad tonight, in Florida. Turns out he had a savings account in New York, that he forgot about for 30 years. Now he has so much money he has to give bunches of it away, so I'm $20,000 less in the hole than I was yesterday. Next weekend I'm going to cure myself. Rachel will be staying at her mom's, so I can fast all weekend and Saturday night I will go to the Disco and shake all my troubles away. Oh, and Anni, I do those Tibetan exercises, the spinning one at least, and they are good for you. I can do a dozen turns with ease and don't know anybody else my age that can still climb trees or balance on their hands :) Many thanks to all the Keysters, for sending love my way. We sure do have a great family here. Love, Rick -- ICQ # 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ The only really natural diet http://www.neanderthin.com have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:* I'm only in it for the thrill Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13426 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: The cure That is *totally* wonderful news Rick. Good for you. I'm very happy for you. much love, diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13427 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: The cure Where was John stickin' his fingers? This list is getting way too risqu? for me! Craig Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13428 From: Deborah Matthies Subject: Re: The cure Craig lol to risque for you ,, funny I was just thinking after reading one of your posts that Spring must really be here!! Everyone is in heat! lol Deborah Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13429 From: Deborah Matthies Subject: Re: The cure/ Craig Editor's Note: Repeat post of No. 13428 Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13430 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: The cure Manoman! Craig. You are just *too* funny. It's easy to see that we have to watch how we say things. Ah'm always messin' up with mah Texas accent but there are some places you don't wanna stick fingers... light bulb sockets come to mind. Di Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13431 From: Deborah Matthies Subject: Re: The cure Wow Rick you sound so much better already, that is so great!! I will sending you lots of light and love, more so this weekend. Deborah Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13432 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Chromosome #38? Chris: The "warrior" is directly linked to memories stored in chromosome 38 .. the survival chromosome inherited from the male parent .. and must be embraced for the "dark night" in its deepest aspects to be successfully negotiated. Judes: I felt resonance with everything you said in your last post, Chris, except for the chromosome part. I feel that navigating the "Dark Night" has absolutely nothing to do with one's genetics and is purely a 'soul experience'. Strength that is pulled from or engendered from the experience is of a spiritual nature only. To me the genetics and chromosomes and DNA are ONLY the controllers of the physical body, yes, its genetic history...and must be overcome..survival instincts and possibly the 'physical warrior' are strengthened at points in one's life; BUT spiritual strength and the 'spiritual warrior' which would then be indoctrinated within the soul is separate from a physical/body connection...so would therefore exist outside of physical incarnations; and could be carried to different incarnations with varying genetic histories. So..the DNA would be enhanced from any spiritual advancement or enrichment...but, the DNA itself would not or could not add to any spiritual quality of a soul. Just my opinion...as my experience of being stripped of all egoic beingness at one point in my life left me with ONLY my spiritual beingness; which far surpassed my physical strength. Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13433 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: [Judy] Re: Chromosome #38? Ok ...Judy .. 1. What do you define as "spirit" ... and "spiritual" 2. Ch 38 has been defined as "the Survival Chromosome" by researchers into pregnancy diabetes, toxemia, eclampsia, third trimester miscarriage, premature birth etc etc ... who defined a gene there which would "kill the host in order to ensure its own survival" 3. From the rememberings of my own physical deaths, I know that changes in the consciousness of my soul can only occur within the body/mind/brain/breath environment .. that the physical body is essential for the evolution of the "soul consciousness" 4. In order for this to happen, the conscious and the unconscious minds must become one entity .. 5. The unconscious mind is the brain interpretation of the body kinaesthetic response to the hidden programs stored in the data files in the genes of the DNA. .. which are accessed through the use of key vibrations .. like words I know you may not agree with what I write .. but then that's OK too .. because my background and experiences are a little different ... I can post the basis of my reasoning if it will make it easier for you to understand why I write as I do ... Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-28/13434 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Egoic beingness vs. Spiritual beingness: Chris I wrote previously: as my experience of being stripped of all egoic beingness at one point in my life left me with ONLY my spiritual beingness; which far surpassed my physical strength. Judes cont.: This was during the time of my sister's death....and my spiritual warrior [as JWK puts it] took over and ran the show for about 2-3 weeks..as I [the Judy ego] would never have had the strength to have handled and my physical body had double pneumonia and 104 fever; but, still I never left her side or slept for 5-6 days.. supported her from going into fear..planned the funeral..put up relatives and friends from out of town..and uplifted everyone around me. THAT is when I KNEW that I had a steel rod running through the core of my being and knew that it was who and what I really am. My ego and physical health have gradually returned over the last 2 years..and I no longer need to draw on this part of myself to the extent that I had to ..but, I KNOW it is there and it exists. You or no one will ever be able to take that knowledge from me, Chris, with words about chromosomes or survival instincts..or descriptions on the best techniques to manuever or negotiate [a Chris puts it] the 'Dark Nights'. This was the number one ..most spiritually-growing experience I have ever had...and I thank her[my sis] for giving me the oppurtunity..instead of it being the other way around [ if I had left first]. Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13435 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Re: Egoic beingness vs. Spiritual beingness: Chris Judy .. to put it in a different language ... no matter how good the software, it will not run correctly if there is an intermittent dry joint in one of the data lines in the mother board. No matter how good the programmer, a Technician is needed to identify, isolate and repair the fault. Eventually with today's resource dependant software, this will lead to overheating and breakdown of the gates of the buffers .. then the memory chips start to become overheated and the excess current passing through the microprocessor can eventually lead to system shutdown .. or its expiry ... if the inbuilt protection circuits and sensors have either been affected or overridden and you would also know the effects of software conflicts .. like running a program written for Unix on a Win NT platform ... You have the understanding of everything I am talking about if you can refer to the computer model with which you are familiar ... Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13436 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Chris and rest of the List Chris: You have the understanding of everything I am talking about if you can refer to the computer model with which you are familiar ... Judes: I do not need to take soul-experiences and interpret them or compare them to a computer model. WE are NOT talking the same language at all here....I explicitly wrote as a preface to my original post to you: "Judes imparts from her soul:" THIS should be enough of a warning flag and explanation of exactly WHERE I am coming from on those comments..I recognized and honoured that that was WHERE you were speaking from and expected [from you] a reciprocation in like- wise manner. To take what I was attempting [to the best of my ability] to impart from MY unique and personal soul/spiritual experience and to whittle it down to a chromosomal or survival instinctual level..is well..it is beyond my range of capacity to understand or accept as okay with me. THIS has happened to me before on THIS LIST. Where my intentions are misunderstood or my meanings grossly misunderstood....So..believe me, Chris, you are not the only IMHO soul- impaired individual here. When JWK imparted his Dark Night wisdoms..you responded with a soul-recognizing appreciation. So..I have HAD IT with the List!!!! No more soul-imparting from me here....Enough is Enough...so cram your computer model up your NOSE!!! Post No. keys-l: /2000-03-29/13437 From: J J Dewey Subject: Health and Correspondence I have enjoyed reading your posts today. It appears that the quality and depth of the list in increasing steadily here and I praise all of you for your words. I must praise John W for his masterful thoughts. I do not know of anyone who has retrieved ancient memories better than he. I am also finding Chris's writing more interesting all the time. He should consider putting his research into a book. I'm happy to see that some good tings are happening for our friend Rick. I would still recommend hat you have a regular doctor take a look at your ears. It is always important to get a good diagnosis. A good diagnosis is important even when applying spiritual healing. Whenever, I have a physical problem the first thing I do is go on a fast. In my adult life fasting has cured what's ailed me every time except twice. And these two times fasting did not cure me completely I took an antibiotic and it wiped out the problem in a couple days. The question: What are the attributes of the throat center and what about this center could be misused or frustrated to cause a problem with the hearing? As we explore this subject of health we will see that we have not really left the subject of the Law of Correspondences for this law will be used again and again in discovering the causes of various maladies. I do not have time to comment on all your writings, but I would suggest that Rick read them over and note the ones that strike a chord with him and experiment. Meanwhile I'll add a few additional thoughts. Now in giving out the possible causes of disease let not any so afflicted feel that they are being judged for there are many exceptions to the rule in the cause and cure of illness. Instead let those who may benefit read the words and judge for themselves in association with their own souls as to whether the correspondence applies to them. Zia makes a good guess: " It may be that Rick feels HE is not being heard... no one can hear him, in what he is presently going through, that whatever expression he puts forward it seems useless. Happily the list has shown otherwise..." Something like this is always a possibility. Fortunately the group is showing Rick that he is heard. Nevertheless, this feeling of not being heard is a common problem for the desire to be heard and appreciated is strong indeed. I know that I do not have time to do justice in commenting on many of your posts and I am always thankful when someone else steps forward and answers someone's question. Sometimes members answer questions just as I would and other times some give a different viewpoint. On the other hand, that different viewpoint may be just what someone needs to hear. The throat center is governed by the Fifth Ray of Concrete Knowledge. This center governs the development of the correct use of mind, creativity and inspiration as it relates to creativity. Notice that Rick is switching his time from working on the archives which is a fairly mechanical (but necessary) work to a comic book which is creative.. It's quite possible that a subtle message came to him from his soul that the petals of his throat center were being suppressed. Perhaps this is a crucial time for him to resurrect a creative talent that has laid dormant too long. Now in making the transition to a new venture of fulfillment another problem can surface. As you move ahead new energies are released from your centers and with these new energies must come new ways of doing things. You just cannot fall back on what was comfortable in the past, but one must move forward with a sense of higher purpose and attunement with the soul. A problem with the ears could signify that the person is not listening carefully enough to the new creative directions that are coming from the soul through the throat center. DK ads this thought: " Self-pity, so prevalent a trouble, leads to acute indigestion, to intestinal trouble, to catarrh and head colds in the average person, whilst in the more advanced man it leads to chronic bronchial difficulties, gastric ulcers and unhealthy conditions connected with the teeth and the ears." Judes asks: "JJ.. also curious for Diane's sake and healing.. what are the 'eyes' connected to or associated with.. and for me ...the lungs or bronchi?" The lungs are also connected with the throat center. What do the lungs do? They breath in air and then send it out into the world. Air corresponds to mind. Problems in connection with the lungs and breath often relate to a deficiency in learning (breathing in) or a reluctance to share that which has been learned (breathing out). The eyes, and the ears to a degree, are controlled by the Agna Center between the eyebrows (7th Ray), but also strongly affected by the solar plexus and problems related to the . Treat the stomach and aid digestion and often problems in the higher parts of the body will be alleviat