2000 - WEEK 8 Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12338 From: RWBH Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] No. Judy Reese wrote: "Glenys: I just read the article about Joseph Smith/Reincarnation that JJ posted. Is it not obvious that JJ is John Smith reincarnated?" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12339 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] Don't worry, Judes. We all make the same faux pas sooner or later - posting what was meant to be a private email to the list. Just regard it as a Keys List Initiation :-) I get a lot of emails asking me who I think JJ was in previous lives which is strange given the singular lack of interest in past lives I've adopted on purpose after observing the glamour that can surround such an interest. But I have to admit that I have wondered about JJ on occasions as I come across clues that seem to fit his being a certain person. But I'm never very interested in following it up because I'm much more interested in who is he now and what he hopes to achieve. Having said that, the Joseph Smith connection does seem to be a strong one and you're not the first on the list to wonder about it. The only way to find out for sure is by searching the Akashic records, seeking confirmation from your soul or asking JJ himself. I would guess JJ's response would be No comment. All I will say is that I believe JJ has the keys to a new dispensation for the coming age. So it follows that he is part of the line of an ancient priesthood. The rest is up to others to determine if they're interested. Sorry I can't be more helpful but I'm sure all will be revealed when the time is right. Love Glenys Judy Reese wrote: "Oh no!!! The previous message was SUPPOSED to go to just Glenys..because I did not want to publicly say that at all. GREAT..now what? Well..it is obvious to me..but I did not want to make it public. Maybe ..it was meant to be or something." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Between You and me no barriers Heart-to-heart talk, Eye to eye On the pillow Of eternity. - Rumi Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12340 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] Helpful as always, Brian. LOL RWBH wrote: "No." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Between You and me no barriers Heart-to-heart talk, Eye to eye On the pillow Of eternity. - Rumi Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12341 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] Please no more comments on this..or at least directed to me..I really meant this to be sent privately..and is personal to each on how they would feel about this. I am not interested in anyone else's opinion..as I have my own revelations on this..Thanks anyway RWBH. Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12342 From: J J Dewey Subject: Questions Chris, You're welcome to ask off topic questions. My first priority is to answer questions around the topic at hand, but when I have time I answer as many off topic questions as possible. If you read the article I posted on the web I would be interested in knowing your comment. You are also welcome to mail me privately if you think list members would not be interested. I have written a second booklet called Reincarnation and the Bible. It is scattered throughout the archives but you can read it all in one location at: http://www.freeread.com/RB.htm Again, I say my time is limited and I make no promises, but I will always cover what time permits. If a post is off topic let me remind new members that the postings should have an (OT) next to them. JJ Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12343 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Intelligence In Substance J J Dewey wrote: "The first solar system........ The polarization of humanity there was female ....... The highest intelligence at that time developed and reached physical perfection ...." Wow! Just imagine. A world run by women who judged men on their bodies rather than their minds. LOL Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Between You and me no barriers Heart-to-heart talk, Eye to eye On the pillow Of eternity. - Rumi Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12344 From: J J Dewey Subject: Qualifications I do not believe I have commented on the following question yet: "Zia and others have talked about the importance of union in order to create the Molecular order. But the question is do we have to be perfect as individuals to make this happen? If not how good or close to perfection do we have to be? What is required of us as individuals if we are to begin so great a task?" We have talked quit a bit about perfection in the past. Let me just make a quote from a previous post: There are three Greek words translated as "perfect in the Bible. The two main ones are TELEIOO and AKRIBELA. AKRIBELA is the one equivalent to the way we use "perfect" in our English, especially the way people talk about God. However, in the Bible AKRIBELA was used in a negative way to describe those who crucified Jesus. The religious people of his day believed in AKRIBELA. The scripture "Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect." is a mistranslation in almost every Bible available. Why? Because the illusion of perfection is so important for the religious world to maintain. In this scripture "perfect" is mistranslated from TELEIOO which means "Complete, finish and puts forth the idea of finishing a job or goal that you have." Now let's translate this verse correctly as Jesus meant it: "Therefore finish (or complete) the work you are given to do even as your Father in Heaven completes His." Isn't the true rendering the more practical advice?" The scriptures do not teach us to be perfect as the word is understood today. Even God is not called perfect. Instead we are told that God works at His job until it is successfully completed and we are to do the same. When an artist paints a great work of art he makes many mistakes between the beginning and the end. But when the work is finished and the artist sees the work is beautiful he forgets about all the mistakes in the past and enjoys basking in his completed (TELEIOO) work. Many people wait until they are near perfection in learning before they will begin a new project. This often causes not only a waste of time but also many missed opportunities. I have found the best way to learn is on the job. Just plunge in and do and learn as you go. Fear is a much greater threat to success than an imperfect or unprepared start is. So do those who create the first molecule have to be perfect? No far from it. Are there any requirements then? Yes, of course. You do not have to be perfect, but, on the other hand, one cannot be a successful receiver of Spiritual Flow if he is centered on the lower self or caught up in glamour. A good item to study as far as qualities desired would be the qualities of the disciple that we discussed earlier. Meanwhile I will list several attributes necessary for the individuals involved to make a molecule work. (1) Soul contact so when there are disagreements all can reach the soul together and receive the same answer and agree as one. (2) Reasonable mastery of maya, glamour and illusion so the soul is reached instead of astral force. (3) A willingness to follow that which comes through the soul even when it hoes against personality wishes. (4) A sense of mission and desire to serve others as much or more than the self. (5) A willingness to follow the path of high resistance when necessary (6) Good imagination, desire to experiment and willingness to let go of the old and take on the new. (7) Genuine goodwill to all people and a cultivation of the spirit of Love. All should be willing to say the Song of the 144,000 as one voice. Others could be listed but this will supply seed thoughts. The next question: "Do you identify with this parable? Have you allowed the seed of these teachings to be planted and if so what happened? "In a line or two what we call this principle of discovery?" I enjoyed your accounts of how this parable has worked in your life. Many of you have demonstrated that it is indeed a true concept. I particularly like Margaret's statement that: "plants can only grow in the light." On the other hand, we must keep in mind they begin their life by sprouting in darkness. When we begin our quest for discovery we often grope in darkness and must test a direction of which we are unsure. But if we do not at least move somewhere then the seed will die. The seed must take in the moisture and move toward where the light seems to be before the sureness of the light can be felt. You also gave some good names for this principle and some of them may be as good as my selection here. I believe we are up to principle number 12. (12) The principle of planting and harvesting. This certainly does require faith as Rick said, but the great part of this principle is that is that it is demonstrated wherever there is life. Someone brought up the idea that bad seeds seem to grow also. This seems to go against this idea we are presenting. Can a person use this principle of acceptance and belief and then grow a bad seed? If belief does not nurture bad seeds what does? Zia and others - I'll get to your questions soon. Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12345 From: Marylin Subject: Re: NJ Meditation Glenys writes: "didn't have that impediment. But I did with later additions as the Meditation became quite complex. Making a tape is the only solution I can think of and I'm sorry that one of our 'voice' people hasn't done one for us to buy. It's a great marketing opportunity as well as a chance to serve." Oh, WOW, Glenys, what a fantastic idea. I have been using a meditation tape that directs one through meditation with a soothing music in the background. It's called "Guided Meditation" that is led by Kelly Howell. I understand that this is only one of the reasons Brain Sync Corporation makes the tapes. They apparently have produced a way to use sound for healing also. The meditation is guided on one side and the other side is just music for the users to develop their own personalized meditation. However, I too, have had problems with remembering the sequence of events in NJ. A guided meditation to NJ would be of great use and joy to me as I use the tape every day. (The earphones also help to block out the mockingbird that insists on "singing" every time I want to meditate.) Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12346 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Intelligence In Substance "Wow! Just imagine. A world run by women who judged men on their bodies rather than their minds. LOL Love Glenys" Yeh, and this kind of confirms the info at the Lyssa Royale site. Sorry I don't know the address any more. That was where I first learned that it was females who showed up here first. There's just gotta be some humor here somewhere. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12347 From: Paul Yu Subject: Re: Intelligence In Substance Hi everyone, The first solar system provided sufficiently developed active intelligence in substance of life as raw material for the involution-evolution of our second solar system. Aside from that it is all the doing of our solar system itself. Nothing specific, such as solar angels, and no principle having to do with the second aspect of divinity, love-wisdom, such as duality of good and evil or male and female, was provided by the last system. Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12348 From: Jean Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-02-21 of The Keys of Knowledge List if I may add to Rick's statement about reincarnation, I am reading about it in Book 2 chapters 7 through 10 in the Immortal book. Hope it helps. Love, Jean My included homepage: http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12349 From: Jean Subject: Another round of truth.... The other morning, I decided to go to church, I haven't in a long time but I thought I would. Something told me to do it. Well during the sermon/homily, the priest talked and basically stated that what catholics originally believed that Eucharist was the most important, well he said it was a cop out...He said the most important thing was giving thanks and praise to God. He continued to talk about (mind you he shocked a lot of not ready minds and hearts), how we can all become and be Jesus...(master), he continued to talk about all the same principles we talk about on this list, this mind you coming from a catholic priest! I saw before me truth at work, I couldn't help but think of the Song of the 144,000 when he talked about thanks and praise, and I saw before me the beginning of the bridging of the gap, I saw before me older and younger peoples minds start to change, I saw the becoming of certain people around us change there thinking, and I realized since I have been on this list and reading and searching for truth, that I have been finding it all along, I am seeing the change in myself and my thinking...and I am finding I have more questions. The thirst that never quenches. I almost wish we all were closer, that I could have one on one with some of you who have gotten past the point that I am at now, ....I just thought I would share this with you all. Something told me I needed to..:) Love to all, Jean P.s. If you want to respond to this please also respond personally to me as well, due to me being on digest-mode on the keys list I don't always get all the messages unfortunately. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12350 From: Lorraine Brutsman Subject: bad seeds Hi Keysters, OK, this one seems too easy. If a seed is bad it can't grow anything. But the illusion of growth can be there. For instance, lets say a salesman comes blowing through a small farming town selling new, fast growing, high yielding seeds. They need little water and you can get 5 crops in one season. He makes lots of excited claims. Let's say he talks half the towns farmers into growing these new seeds. Well, after a time the seeds don't produce anything. The farmers begin to become nervous and embarrassed at the thought that they might have been duped. So the salesman starts to tell them the seeds are working. They are doing their thing underground, that's all. They are the best seeds ever invented by man. They will spring up any moment and prove those doubting Thomas's wrong. We will all be rich! We have faith! We are stronger than that! Let them laugh now, we'll laugh last. (etc, you get the idea) In the mean time, here is some money to get you by. The bad seeds never did grow but year after year the salesman sells these bad seeds to some farmers because they want to believe it's true. Now the farmer is in trouble but still doesn't want to admit a mistake and face the ridicule he fears. Eventually, he is totally dependent on someone else's belief system and he no longer takes responsibility for his actions. He just does what he's told and gets his money. He just tries not to think about it. (Why does it take so many words to get one point across?) Bad seeds do not grow. We can think they're growing or we listen to others who tell us they're growing and after a while stop checking on it. We give our authority away. But it is still an illusion. The Church told me for years how much I was growing and how spiritual I was but when I looked at the fruit, it had not been growing much. Funny thing is, now I am growing good fruit and those false farmers don't want to have anything to do with me. (but I don't want to hang with them either) Illusion allows bad seeds to seem like they're growing. But it's empty. Now change the subject. JJ said that the requirements for being in a molecule will be "reasonable mastery of Maya, glamour & illusion". Help! I don't know what Maya is. What if I am doing it or not doing it and I'm suppose to or not suppose to. How can I master something I've never heard of? Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12351 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Keys of the Kingdom and a question JJ writes: "I was present with Joseph when an holy angel from God came down from heaven and conferred on us, or restored, the lesser or Aaronic Priesthood, and said to us, at the same time, that it should remain upon the earth while the earth stands. I was also present with Joseph when the higher or Melchizedek Priesthood was conferred by the holy angel from on high. This Priesthood, we then conferred on each other by the will and commandment of God." DHC Vol. 1 pg 40" "Notice that Oliver's words about this being who confirmed the higher priesthood. He calls this person, "the holy angel" not Peter James and John. Notice the word angel is singular. I believe this being who confirmed the higher Priesthood was the same as gave them the lower. Reread the above statement and you'll see that it appears he is talking about the same angel. We are given no written record of the manner of this visitation." I just have to ask this question even though it is a "branch off" from the main subject here. I had a dream (that I believe I have reported to list last year) about Being in a place of Love. There were "about" 12 groups of male/female. In view of our recent studies I am thinking it must have been a molecule that I was a part of and it was my turn to leave because I had a mission to accomplish. This was definitely not in the 3rd dimension but it was definitely a very real place. So if we were not in the 3rd dimension or on the 3rd level (I don't know which is correct) then we were our true selves. So, then, if we were in a "different form", that is not the physical, we were able to accomplish many things including coming into the physical. So then, would we also have been able to just appear to those with whom we were "teaching" in the physical? Is it possible that this is sort of what occurred for Joseph Smith when he was visited by John the Baptist? It's a changing of levels for the purpose of communication? I'm kind of getting in a bit over my head here and the brain is beginning to strain. I just feel something here and don't know how to describe it. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12352 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Gathering # 13 {ot} JJ: I know you mentioned in this post that the 'Aryans' in America were of the tribes Ephriam and Mannesah. I remember seeing a film with a holocaust theme where the Nazis were checking people's birth records for traces of Aryan blood during their purge in Poland and a certain percent of this blood-line [Aryan] would spare them from death; and the Nazi's believed that They [Nazi's] were pure Aryan.. If you ever have the time could you elaborate on the term "Aryan' and specifically what it means? I also read a book a while back called "Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs"; which surmised the radical theory that Abraham..Joseph were actually of Egyptian descent and left Egypt [Exodus] due to a religious break with remaining Egyptians; and that they were banished at the beginning of the Age of Aries and the Ending of the Age of Taurus; after losing a civil-war. The clan of Abraham--> Jacob..were heralding a new age of Aries and the rest of the Egyptians were clinging to the 'old laws' and beliefs of the age of Taurus.He said [in the book] that Joseph was purposely smuggled in to Egypt to attend their Universities [of occult knowledge] and then secretly abscound the throne from the unknowing Egyptians; and then initiate an undergorund means to infiltrate the 'new religion' back into Egypt. The author did not say this but I saw the similarity of Aryans to Ariens. So what exactly IS an Aryan? Thanks: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12353 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Intelligence In Substance Loving Greetings, Oh I so enjoy your posts and your sense of humor Glenys!! :) I discovered that humor and humility come from the same root word it seems. They certainly go hand in hand to be able to see 'the funny side of life' in all that God has created!!! It does indeed keep us humble. Just love your comments here Glenys... since men seem to go for bodies first now... we seemed to reverse everything!!! But what is encouraging is that woman would therefore carry high intelligence, and this would genetically enhance creation... it is interesting that certain functions hand on only through the female line, and others only through the male line... eg baldness, alcoholic predisposition... to name a couple. Also do keep your questions coming because they also make me search within for the answers, and see in physical reality the confirmation thereof. And once again your Rumi quote has my heart singing... you know Glenys when it is time and you and God willing, there will come such a glorious man into your life, that we will see the incredible glow around the world from the love, power of that union, and joy that you both will find in such powerful beings united... I look forward to this event! Loving servant of God, ZIA Glenys: "Wow! Just imagine. A world run by women who judged men on their bodies rather than their minds. LOL" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12354 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Keys of the Kingdom and a question Marylin: That article got me going to ..I was up ALL night checking my concordance and reading Bible scriptures..and verifying etymologies on the internet. What was with that article? Some kind of juice or something? LOL Judes "I'm kind of getting in a bit over my head here and the brain is beginning to strain. I just feel something here and don't know how to describe it. Marylin" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12355 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... Loving greetings, Thank you Jean, for your sharing, and your decision to 'go to church'! Interesting that you went to Church, and I 'worked' with Padre Pio (found out that the clairvoyant's Brooklyn accent made his name sound like Peel!! and I also found some interesting websites on this great man, a Catholic priest!) Now I have not ever been Catholic in this lifetime, and can only assume that Padre Pio works with healing groups from where he is now, and may also be in my life as I have sincerely questioned why God/Christ would have his Saints carry the stigmata. I seem to have missed that message... yet after yesterday felt closer to an understanding. (seems Padre Pio has been 'with' me for awhile and the clairvoyant said that he had now aligned or something with me). I agree with you Jean that as we take in and accept new concepts and understandings, interestingly our world will reflect that back to us. I call it the process of osmosis, that as we as a group think and understand, that goes out in consciousness and is received by many! I am personally excited by your discovery in church! It seems the last speech by the Pope clarified a lot of untruths in the Catholic religion. He said that heaven and hell were not geographic places... and many other things which of course have not been published by the media, because it would take the power of fear away from the church!! Yet the understandings are coming out! So great to see. And the ending of judgment in you and me of 'religions' and holding a beautiful picture of those in religions coming into a greater understanding, love, compassion and wisdom. So another question for JJ here: In a saint carrying the 'stigmata' for 50 years, is this what is meant by the healing through the power and blood of Christ... did this particular Padre Pio gain those incredible healing powers through the blood of Christ being one with him? Does anyone know whether he has now been canonized? The web sites say it was up for consideration in May 2, 1999. Also the only other male I know of to carry the 'stigmata of Christ' was St Francis of Assisi, yet there have been more female saints to carry this I believe. Does anyone have information on this.... since I saw a woman in South America carrying the 'stigmata' (it was filmed by Mike Willessee for Fox TV in 1999), and I keep questioning Christ why he would keep the picture of the suffering of the cross in front of us, rather than the resurrection???? Loving servant of God, ZIA Jean: "The other morning, I decided to go to church, I haven't' in a long time but I thought I would. Something told me to do it." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12356 From: Lorraine Brutsman Subject: ?????? Am I one of those people who no one reads their posts? How come no one responds to what I write? Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12357 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... * Zia wrote: "Does anyone know whether he has now been canonized? The web sites say it was up for consideration in May 2, 1999." It takes ages for sainthood to be conferred by the Catholic Church. I've been waiting for years for my application to go through! "Also the only other male I know of to carry the 'stigmata of Christ' was St Francis of Assisi, yet there have been more female saints to carry this I believe. Does anyone have information on this.... since I saw a woman in South America carrying the 'stigmata' (it was filmed by Mike Willessee for Fox TV in 1999), and I keep questioning Christ why he would keep the picture of the suffering of the cross in front of us, rather than the resurrection????" Yes, there are plenty of women who have had it or who still have it. A search on Stigmata should bring up heaps of results. Have you considered that it may not be of Christ? :-) I would imagine it has something to do with someone under the influence of the 6th Ray of Devotion and it is a characteristic of their psyche rather than a requirement of or sign from God. Just guessing here. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12358 From: Jean Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... Dear Zia, I also thank you for your response, and yes I totally agree with you about this letting down of walls, and such and that about reflection, that opened my eyes and heart only more my friend. Funny thing how you mentioned the stigmata, I have been reading about this recently and I may have some interesting info for you: in the case of St. Francis of Assisi, he had a vision in 1224, outside of his hut in Mounte La Verna of a seraph with six fiery wings bearing the form of man nailed to a cross, when the image faded he had the mark of the stigmata. For some it is not only in the hands, but the feet and the forehead, as well as welts on the back. There were a few women as well, Louise Lateau of Italy and in 1972, and 11 year old Cloretta Robinson, a baptist, had blood oozing from her palms. In all actuality women have been more likely than man to receive this from my understanding. Most often it happens in Europe, from what I have read. In 1928, In Germany, Therese Neumann also had the stigmata, she fasted and would only eat the host, she had visions and talked to Jesus in Aramaic, a language she did not know. Padre Pio, was a famous italian mystic, he was ordained a priest in 1910 and served in World War 1 as an orderly. On September 20, 1918 , he saw a heavenly light showing the christ on the cross, He felt and I quote: "I was suddenly filled with a great peace and abandonment that effaced everything else and caused a lull in the turmoil. All this happened in a flash. meanwhile, I saw before ma a mysterious person...is hands and feet and side were dripping with blood. The sight frightened me and what I felt at that moment cannot be described... The vision disappeared and I became aware that my own hands feet and side were dripping with blood...I am afraid I shall bleed to death if the Lord does not hear my heartfelt supplication to relieve me of this condition." That was Padres first experience of the stigmata. Also recently Zia I watched a program on TV of a women living now who receives the stigmata, they showed it on T.V, it was not fake it was real, when it was over the marks were gone as if it never took place, as it always has. This as others have always been a mystery to me, but of much interest to me. I guess you could say it is part of our search for truth. :) There is a message there, that you can be sure of. Love, JEan My included homepage: http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/812359 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: bad seeds Well Lorraine..you SHOULD be flattered because I copied your post and put mine in 3 words! No..really I thought it was obvious that I agreed with you that the answer may be I,M &G..and my ideas were so similar that I just wrote the three words. LOL Love: Judes P.S. Your stuff is sooooo good that there is no reason to elaborate! LOL Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12360 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: bad seeds Lorraine Brutsman wrote: "Now change the subject. JJ said that the requirements for being in a molecule will be "reasonable mastery of Maya, glamour & illusion". Help! I don't know what Maya is. What if I am doing it or not doing it and I'm suppose to or not suppose to. How can I master something I've never heard of?" Hi Lorraine, We talked about maya, glamour and illusion a lot on the list. JJ's first article on them starts here: http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/JJArchives/JJ146.html Love Glenys PS I *always* appreciate your posts and I'm sorry if I've never mentioned it. They are so good the only reply could be "I agree" and we try to avoid those types of posts to save list space. You are certainly not ignored; neglected maybe, but never ignored :-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12361 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... Loving greetings Jean, Thank you again, for this information... I truly desire to understand the purpose in carrying the stigmata. Somehow I feel that this is what Sterling was trying to get at about the healing by Christ's blood, and I recognise that many are healed when they come into contact with someone carrying the stigmata. Padre Pio is so interesting because he carried it everyday for 50 years, wearing white gloves etc, except during mass, and prophesized that the wounds would heal when he passed and they did only with his passing. I was also told that he was known to bi-locate meaning his etheric double was fully developed, and thus I ask whether it is his etheric double that is overshadowing me (?) at times... however it works. Also it was given to me that he is an immortal. Did a presence live with him for 50 years, was it the Christ presence... and hmmmm do we need to carry the stigmata or receive its healing to become immortal? Usually the person carrying the stigmata is of the Catholic religion, that I can perceive. Just wonder if anything like this occurred in the Mormon religion... on second thoughts maybe I shouldn't ask that question :)....... My imagination has always been fired by the stigmata, because it demonstrates to me a profound and pure faith. That I see as one of its great attributes in all that carry it. I cannot imagine the pain continually that Padre Pio would have experienced with the stigmata, and his continued dedication in that state. The woman in South America did not really experience pain, but in the cycle of time of Jesus going to the cross, she re-experienced everything to the point of nearly dying and the wounds would appear at precisely the equivalent time, and when he is finally released on the cross, so is her stigmata. And she is fully healed and recovered within 24 hours. She does not do this on regular basis, but usually in line with Easter... sometimes later. Perhaps its purpose is this is the only 'real' method of bringing in the body and blood of Christ... that is certainly a profound healing ministry. To wear the body and blood of Christ, and allow others to partake and be healed.... that's about the best I can come up with!! Any more ideas anyone?? Loving servant of God, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12362 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: OT ???????????? 1. Learn to take it as a compliment. Your story of the seed was so profound what was there to say? 2. Many don't get on their computer until hours later because of work, time differences 3. Many don't feel qualified to answer your questions or a perusal of the archives with the new search engine would turn up the answer? Just guesses. Sorry you are feeling ignored. I appreciate all you do for us, especially organizing such an event as you have for June. Susan Lorraine Brutsman wrote: "How come....??????" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12363 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Intelligence In Substance * Zia wrote: "Oh I so enjoy your posts and your sense of humor Glenys!! :)" Thanks for your kind comments, Zia. It did strike me as particularly funny that women have been in positions of power in other times and weren't any better at it than men. We always think we would do a better job of it but it seems not. Still, I quite liked the concept of the first solar system and was going to ask JJ for directions on how to get back there and then I read on and saw that I would be stuck in Being rather than Becoming even if I could get there. Sometimes JJ spoils all my fun. "And once again your Rumi quote has my heart singing..." The Rumi season has officially ended and the Joseph Campbell season has commenced. I love Campbell and believe he was a great initiate who picked up where Jung left off with respect to the study of Mythology and Archetypes. "you know Glenys when it is time and you and God willing, there will come such a glorious man into your life, that we will see the incredible glow around the world from the love, power of that union, and joy that you both will find in such powerful beings united... I look forward to this event!" Been there. Done that. Now I just want a dog. LOL Thanks for your loving thoughts though, Zia. I appreciate them :-) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eternity is a dimension of here and now. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12364 From: "susan carter" Subject: OT Two bodies I found a cool quote today at dailyinbox.com Today's Proverb... True friendship is one soul shared by two bodies. -- Mexican Proverb Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12365 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: ?????? So Lorraine: What is the event for June? I heard a little bit mentioned but what is it and when? Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12366 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: ?????? Of course I always read your posts, I just don't have any time to respond. If I do then I will never get all these web sites, and pages up on the Web. Cutting it thin in the Ozarks Lady. Where do people find all the time to answer all of these posts anyway? LOL Hi Lorraine! Your Friend Always, John Lorraine Brutsman writes: "Am I one of those people who no one reads their posts? How come no one responds to what I write?" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12367 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... Loving greetings, Okay Glenys if you need further 'sponsors' I am certainly willing to put in a 'good' word for you :) It's about time New Zealand had a showing in this department perhaps!!! Seems that it is usually someone in Europe, although Jean mentioned in her second post to me about a Baptist girl. Not something you see the Hindu's doing or the eastern religions... carrying the stigmata of Christ! Glenys: "Have you considered that it may not be of Christ? :-) I would imagine it has something to do with someone under the influence of the 6th Ray of Devotion and it is a characteristic of their psyche rather than a requirement of or sign from God. Just guessing here." Zia: I have certainly considered it may NOT be of CHRIST, yet in watching the woman on television in South America, she would see Christ standing in the room and he would talk to her and she would relay what he was saying... the video cameras even picked up the light shining and reflecting on her eyes which was not from a seen light source in the room! I know the guy that went and did the filming Mike Willessee, he was many long years ago a great skeptic in Australia, with his Mike Willessee show. The shock in him was noticeable in the filming etc. I also agree with the Ray of Devotion you mentioned and that such an intense identification is made with the Christ, that the individuality is completely surrendered to become one with the Christ, is the best that I can see. Wanting to share the suffering or perhaps that is the person's mission, as it was Jesus' mission to take on the cross... who am I to say... yet I would love to know!! Loving servant of God, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12368 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... * Zia wrote: "Loving greetings Jean, Thank you again, for this information... I truly desire to understand the purpose in carrying the stigmata." There are lots of theories as to why they occur along with other similar phenomena like icons who weep (or drink fluids), Marian apparitions, crosses of light etc. Such events are not confined to the Christian religion and in my view, the dynamics behind the appearance of stigmata isn't a lot different from a Genesh statue drinking milk. Interesting, St Catherine of Sienna manifested the stigmata but, out of humility, asked God to make them invisible. God granted her request. I also read somewhere where the Vatican did a personality profile on stigmatics and found it to be similar to that manifested by UFO abductees. Whatever you think about stigmata, I think most people would agree that as a phenomena it is genuine in a lot of cases. But is up to the individual to decide whether or not it is a human created thoughtform/ manifestation or a sign from God. We should bear in mind that Jesus said only a perverse generation looks for signs. There are higher ways of seeking God and His will, in my view. Love Glenys PS Just as an aside, I went through a very devotional stage in my teens and adored Jesus and had a deep appreciation of his death on the Cross and being saved by his blood etc. I would spend hours in contemplative prayer and thanksgiving. For a time, I started to get itching on my hands and feet where the nails would have been on Jesus and I thought I was going to be blessed with the stigmata. But I wasn't and thankfully I got over my obsession. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eternity is a dimension of here and now. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12369 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: ?????? Well, Lorraine, I would have e-mailed you, but I've been very busy today spanking my monkey. And how would I know what "Maya" is? I've haven't been on the planet or the list near as long as you. Love & giggles, Craig Tholson Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12370 From: J J Dewey Subject: Judes Question Judes asks a question here that would be helpful for the group to understand as we continue. I know there are a number of others that could answer this such as Paul, John W, Xavier and Glenys. Since I am short of time would one of you mind giving your two cents worth? (I mean five dollars worth) JJ Judes Question "I know you mentioned in this post that the 'Aryans' in America were of the tribes Ephriam and Mannesah. I remember seeing a film with a holocaust theme where the Nazis were checking people's birth records for traces of Aryan blood during their purge in Poland and a certain percent of this blood-line [Aryan] would spare them from death; and the Nazi's believed that they [Nazi's] were pure Aryan.. If you ever have the time could you elaborate on the term "Aryan' and specifically what it means? I also read a book a while back called "Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs"; which surmised the radical theory that Abraham..Joseph were actually of Egyptian descent and left Egypt [Exodus] due to a religious break with remaining Egyptians; and that they were banished at the beginning of the Age of Aries and the Ending of the Age of Taurus; after losing a civil-war. The clan of Abraham--> Jacob..were heralding a new age of Aries and the rest of the Egyptians were clinging to the 'old laws' and beliefs of the age of Taurus.He said [in the book] that Joseph was purposely smuggled in to Egypt to attend their universities [of occult knowledge] and then secretly abscond the throne from the unknowing Egyptians; and then initiate an underground means to infiltrate the 'new religion' back into Egypt. The author did not say this but I saw the similarity of Aryans to Ariens. So what exactly IS an Aryan?" Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12371 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... * Zia wrote: "Okay Glenys if you need further 'sponsors' I am certainly willing to put in a 'good' word for you :) It's about time New Zealand had a showing in this department perhaps!!!" Been there, done that as well. And I'd still prefer a dog. LOL Love Glenys PS Anyway, this is way OT. Let's take it to the Hardrock Cafe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eternity is a dimension of here and now. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12372 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Judes Question Esoteric wisdom tells us there are seven root races that make up the world cycle. They are as follows: 1. Polarian - residing in The Imperishable Sacred land 2. Hyperborean - residing in the continent of Hyperborea 2. Lemurian - residing in the continent of Lemuria 4. Atlantean - residing in the continent of Atlantis 5. Aryan (residing in Europe, Asia Minor, America) 6 and 7 - two more races will succeed the present one We are currently living in the Aryan root race. This term was completely distorted by Hitler and his cronies so don't think of it in those terms. The Aryan race has been in existence for over one million years and will continue for some time although the 6th root race (the Meruvian) is just starting to come into play so there is some overlap. Within these seven root races there are 49 subraces and every subrace has seven family races. I'll leave it there because you're probably sorry you asked :-) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eternity is a dimension of here and now. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12373 From: xavier Subject: Re: ?????? I do read your posts, and appreciate your spirit much;-) Lorraine Brutsman wrote: "Am I one of those people who no one reads their posts? How come no one responds to what I write?" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12374 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Judes Question GReat! Glenys..I get it now. Very interesting. Both according to the chart then we[the Aryans will be last and Polarians will be first]. Are is it just a 'soul'-thing..and newer souls will be first ..which I presume would be distributed through all root races. Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12375 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Judes Question No, we are definitely not the last. There are two more root races after us. If you want to learn more, you could do a search on 'Aryan root race' here: http://www.netnews.org/ Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eternity is a dimension of here and now. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12376 From: "susan carter" Subject: OT Maya, Glamour and Illusion JJ I need your help in seeing this. Sorry this is so long. Funny Lorraine should bring this topic up as it has been on my mind since last night. Last night I attended a non-denominational worship service with singing, praying and healing. This was a different experience for me along the lines of a revival, but not quite so hyped. There was lots of music, singing, Hallelujah's, scripture reading and prayers. Afterwards a man offered to pray for people. It was said he has the gift of holding your hands and speaking words of truth you were meant to hear for your comfort and guidance. The meeting was very much centered on Jesus. I signed up to be "blessed" by this man, curious at the experience. He gave me the following and my comments and questions follow. JJ I wondered if you have time could you give me further insight? I have read again the posts on Maya, Glamour and Illusion as well as Discerning Good and Evil Servants. He seemed sincere enough and seemed to know me well and what my challenges have been. My doubt occurred because he told me something I have often wondered about: what my mission is. I didn't want to be taken in by Glamour. I have a ministry entitled Hope and Healing, but he did not know that. Does this appear to be of Glamour or Illusion of some kind? It's been gnawing at me and it felt real at the time and highly spiritual, but I don't feel the ultimate soul contact and I wonder if I am just being faithless because the whole experience was so foreign to my upbringing and experience. Thanks JJ for your time in answering this. John Bailey Feb 20, 2000 He asked me how I was taking my hands in his. I replied "Good and how are you" "Good" he said then looking deep in my eyes he made the comment that it was a remarkable thing I could remain so cheerful in light of what my life had brought me which was a lot of pain. [I had a very painful divorce and lost custody of my children plus many other ensuing problems stemming from that] He told me I was a strong woman and I had withstood an awful lot. That the destroyer had wanted to destroy me. He said that I was going through some difficulties right now that were threatening me. [My former lawyer is suing me for $8,000 as he found a mistake in his accounting records]. He said the doctors were wrong. [they told me in April after a month of tests nothing was wrong with my heart] He mentioned something had been building in me for a long, long time and that it would not overcome me. He said I was having many sleepless nights, migraine headaches and depression. [This is true]. He said a prayer for me casting out the depression. He said that tomorrow I would wake up feeling seven times better than I had been feeling and would feel like a new person. [I have felt better today, but not completely healed. I am very worried about this court thing]. He said I had a life work and mission to accomplish that I had not done yet. It was because of this mission that they wanted to destroy me to prevent me from helping others. He said my mission was to bring emotional healing to others. [I have been told many times I have a natural gift for this.] He reiterated they wanted to destroy me to keep me from helping so many others. He stated that I had almost faltered once and came close to being destroyed. [Before the divorce two separate counselors told me I was VERY close to a nervous breakdown.] But almost is a mile away in the Lord's eyes. He told me that my heart was in the right place. He again commented how very much pain I had been through and how strong I was to withstand it all. He said that there was one last thing to tell me. There was one person I had to forgive who had hurt me very very deeply and then it was up to them to do with it what they will. [This could easily be my ex]. That I had to give up my feelings of revenge towards them. [I've been gloating over his recent second divorce]. The destroyer tried to destroy you through them and almost did. But if I were to forgive that person they would have to take care of it and that they would be destroyed by what they were trying to destroy me with if they did not take care of it. [He still hates me]. END OF BLESSING I felt so good after the blessing but was horribly tormented by fear during the night. All the upset I was trying to hold off just smacked me in the face. I truly felt last night like the destroyer was after me big time. Any comments, JJ? I am wanting to believe this blessing that everything will turn out fine and I will be able to accomplish my hearts desire of helping others, but I am feeling pretty wiped out right now. Susan Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12377 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: OT PS to Maya, Glamour and Illusion susan carter wrote: "I felt so good after the blessing snipped...but I am feeling pretty wiped out right now." PS Part of my mission has always felt like helping victims of ritualistic abuse and I have been reading up on it today. That is always draining, plus I have been writing an essay all day for a friend and to my sister in law "To Women Contemplating Divorce" which is also very draining..... Susan Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12378 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... Loving greetings, Yes Glenys, again I tend to agree with you here: "PS Just as an aside, I went through a very devotional stage in my teens and adored Jesus and had a deep appreciation of his death on the Cross and being saved by his blood etc. I would spend hours in contemplative prayer and thanksgiving. For a time, I started to get itching on my hands and feet where the nails would have been on Jesus and I thought I was going to be blessed with the stigmata. But I wasn't and thankfully I got over my obsession." Zia: I definitely wonder if it is not an obsession myself... yet somehow feel there is something more to it than that... particularly with St Francis of Assisi and Padre Pio. Thank you for your kind understanding and thoughtful comments. Loving servant of God, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12379 From: xavier Subject: Re: Judes Question Original message from: J J Dewey Judes Question "So what exactly IS an Aryan?" Actually I don't know this "mystery" (yet!) but I'll say what I know about it, however basic: Blavatsky and Bailey's teachings say that humanity evolves through races. The two first ones have disappeared completely today. The third is called "lemurian", the fourth "atlantean" and the fifth "aryan". Typically, each race develops its civilization, gets caught up in matter, is destroyed, and a small remnant is used to build the following race. How? Maybe hybridation with ETs lol;-) I dunno how. Maybe by selecting among the ending race the individuals that have most developed the desired qualities of the next race. Anyway..each race has a particular mission. Aryan race mission is to develop the mind. Atlantean was concerned with the astral body. I'm aware that I have very few pieces of that puzzle. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12380 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Judes Question Hi Glenys, This is just to you personally, decided not to further clutter up the list... had thought according to Steiner or someone, that the next race after Aryan was the Akkadians... or some similar spelling... had not ever heard of meruvians... is this Alice Bailey? Don't go to any effort... just wondered what happened to the Akkadians?? LOL Love to you, ZIA "Esoteric wisdom tells us there are seven root races that make up the world cycle." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12381 From: Margaret Leach Subject: Re: OT Maya, Glamour and Illusion susan carter wrote: " I felt so good after the blessing snipped...but I am feeling pretty wiped out right now." Susan - Thank you so much for sharing. That in and of itself shows how much courage you have. Why is it so hard for us to receive blessings?? He confirmed your soul's prior direction. Why is that so hard to hear?? Sometimes success is scarier than failure?? Is it because we feel guilty that it feels so good? Doing our heart's desire shouldn't feel so right??? Make no mistake about it, you have a mission all right -- or else you wouldn't still be on this list. You feel it and you know it. It feels right inside. He gave you a message of hope and confirmation. Plant it like a seed in the garden of your heart. Then go on about your business. You know the rest of the story ... what to do at the harvest... I will keep you in the circle of my Song. Many blessings to you and lots of Love, Light and Power (and extra hugs too!) Margaret Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12382 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Judes Question It seems all personal emails are coming to me via the list these days. LOL I haven't heard of the Akkadians. It may, of course, be just a matter of a rose by any other name........ I think it was Blavatsky who first identified the root races but AAB certainly took it further. I've hardly read any of Blavatsky (but I wasn't going to tell Sterling that as I was too busy enjoying all the assumptions he was making about all us new agers and our supposed gurus :-) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eternity is a dimension of here and now. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12383 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: OT Maya, Glamour and Illusion Susan: Just wanted to say that I am going through a law-suit also..as an ex-employee sued me over a dispute on his final invoice [he was a contract programmer]. It is extremely debilitating on many levels. I became VERY depressed about 2 weeks ago when this thing hit..but I have somewhat turned it around due to JJ's 'Power of the Cala' story...which I have called on to pull me through this and make a stand for myself. Remember in the parable that the one's that turned and ran did not 'get' the power of the Cala..only the ones' that turned and walked toward the soldiers and drew on the power. So..believe me I know it affects your sense of freedom..monetary aspects..authority controlling your life [the courts],,and then the attack of another suing you is like a sword..but, know the 'Cala' is with you and it is your chance to utilize it. I am going to counter- sue and take a strong offensive stand[even though it will cost me much..and I am having to sell a 5-acre parcel of land that I own to do this...but..I have to learn the 'power' and not run a way from it..or fret over the 'worry of it all. Love: Judes susan carter writes: "JJ I need your help in seeing this. Sorry this is so long." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12384 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Judes Question oops blushing furiously... so much for intent! "Hi Glenys, This is just to you personally, decided not to further clutter up the list... had thought according to Steiner or someone, that the next race after Aryan was the Akkadians... or some similar spelling... had not ever heard of meruvians... is this Alice Bailey? Don't go to any effort... just wondered what happened to the Akkadians?? LOL" Love to you, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12385 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: OT Maya, Glamour and Illusion I tend to agree with Margaret, Susan. While we always have to be aware of maya, glamour and illusion, in reality, no one can deceive us except ourselves. God has been known to talk to someone through the mouth of an ass (if my memory of the Old Testament serves me well today) and to me, that means we have to take truth wherever we can find it. If the minister's message spoke to your heart and you feel he was right, then accept it as the voice of God, give thanks and get on with fulfilling your destiny. It sounds like it's a great one :-) Many blessings and love Glenys susan carter wrote: "I felt so good after the blessing... snipped...but I am feeling pretty wiped out right now." Margaret Leach wrote: "Thank you so much for sharing. That in and of itself shows how much courage you have. Why is it so hard for us to receive blessings?? He confirmed your soul's prior direction. Why is that so hard to hear??" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eternity is a dimension of here and now. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12386 From: xavier Subject: Re: OT Maya, Glamour and Illusion Original message from: "susan carter": "JJ I need your help in seeing this. Sorry this is so long." Sorry for answering, but it is obvious that the destroyer is in you: that fear to go on on the way of light and bliss. It did feel good this priest thing. It did answer questions. You had, by what you told, no reason to think the guy is wrong or deluded. The fear you had at night came from nowhere, from nowhere in this man, from what you told. I'm not interpreting, you said it. The guy was right, but at night you got afraid, and you didn't give any reason for it. (reasons would be things that happened during the experience) It all too much sounds like our old friend the dweller, the test, the negative pull when we are walking and making a step towards light. BTW there is a JJ post called "the negative pull" I believe, where he describes this thing. Going on, yes if something refrains you from going ahead, it is that guilt? suffering and revenge at your previous relationship, (*it seems* , sorry for the wild impressions). "the negative pull" http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/JJArchives/JJ212.html try the search engine also, (don't forget to click on "this site" as I did first.) "the attack of seven" http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/JJArchives/JJ236.html greatly on topic! The Dweller on the Threshold http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/JJArchives/JJ638.html not that you're into it, but it's always good to learn anti-venom tactics;-) BTW, the bros of light are symbolized in the body by the white blood cells that chase evil strangers;-) anti venom;-) Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12387 From: "D.O.O.R." Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] How many years is typical between reincarnations? Don't know, but I suspect it's more than a 160+. That's faster than a blink of an eye, in God's time. How long does it take one after he/she dies to realize they were all screwed up on this earth ship and need another reincarnation for improvement/degradation?......Pablo Judes wrote: "Glenys: I just read the article about Joseph Smith/Reincarnation that JJ posted. Is it not obvious that JJ is John Smith reincrnated?" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12388 From: "D.O.O.R." Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] There is a man by the name of Roger Billings, who some believe, I suspect even himself, is Joseph Smith reincarnated. Roger heads us a fundamentalist Mormon splinter group in Blue springs Missouri. He's also known by some as one who has developed a method of storing hydrogen gas for use as fuel. There's probably as many who claim to be JS reincarnated as there are Jesus, and the one called "the mighty and strong" or davidic servants. I say SO WHAT! Those who make such claims are, in my opinion, just ego maniacs, looking for a following. They are nothing more than passing the wind......Pablo Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12389 From: "D.O.O.R." Subject: Private: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] My apologies. My comment went out before seeing this message....Pablo Judes wrote: "Please no more comments on this..or at least directed to me..I really meant this to be sent privately..and is personal to each on how they would feel about this. I am not interested in anyone else's opinion..as I have my own revelations on this..Thanks anyway RWBH." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12390 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] According to ancient wisdom, it depends on many factors. Unevolved people tend to come back almost immediately as I assume they don't need a lot of time for reflection and learning on higher levels. As they grow, the intervals between each incarnation lengthens. On the other hand, those who have a strong desire to serve humanity tend to choose to come back quickly under the Laws of Service and Magnetic Attraction. They make a deliberate choice through their conscious souls which is not available to lesser evolved souls. This choice is based on intellect, sense of obligation to mankind and the work they have already started on the physical plane and wish to continue. My sister died four months ago and JJ told me she probably wouldn't come back into physical form for another 100 years or so. She would have been an average aspirant, if that's any help. Love Glenys "D.O.O.R." wrote: "How many years is typical between reincarnations? --" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eternity is a dimension of here and now. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12391 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] My theory today is that JJ is an reincarnation of Jesus and Brian dictated the Immortal to him :- )))) Love Glenys "D.O.O.R." wrote: "There is a man by the name of Roger Billings, who some believe, I suspect even himself, is Joseph Smith reincarnated." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eternity is a dimension of here and now. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12392 From: Claire Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] Question How many years is typical between reincarnations? Answer from a book I'm reading: 144 years between incarnations. For instance, is one lives 60 years in the physical, then they'll typically have 84 earth years in the spirit, etc. My personal thought is that this may be typical, but it will have variances, according to the personality. Hi everyone, I'm new to the list since the weekend, and have been trying to get the gist of what the conversation is about. Don't mind me, I'm just poking my nose in for a minute. Claire Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12393 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] Loving greetings and welcome Claire... you might like to first try exploring the archives if you have time...there is so much information there... have you read the Immortal by JJ Dewey yet? Loving servant of God, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12394 From: Claire Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] Zia: "the archives ... have you read the Immortal by JJ Dewey yet?" No I haven't had time yet to read the archives. And, no I haven't read the book either. Is it available in all bookstores, or through Amazon.com? I just joined Spiritweb while searching the word "spirit" and found my way here. Thanks for the welcome! Is Zia your full name, or an acronym? Claire o:) "Nature is the visible expression of the divine at work." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12395 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: [Claire] Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] This may be one person's opinion but, in my studied opinion it is wrong to put any time frame around reincarnation. Others on this list know of the research work I am involved in ... so let me say from my experience .... out of over 1000 subjects ... 15% came into bodies after birth ... where the previous incarnation did not die until up to 12 months after the baby was born 75% reincarnated within the maternal genetic line 10% reincarnated within the paternal genetic line 75% of cases, the interval between incarnations was less than 20 years 40% entered the auric field of the mother before conception 65% were within the mother at least after 14 weeks in utero 25% did not enter the body until more than 10 weeks after birth (the longest was 7 years..) The third longest detected interval between incarnations was 800 years Christopher Wynter Claire wrote: "Question: How many years is typical between reincarnations?" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12396 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] Loving greetings, Yes you can buy the Immortal at Amazon.com and yes Claire, Zia is my full name, one and only!! Well you have certainly been drawn to a great place, as your first adventure into spiritweb!! Trust you will stay awhile and enjoy all that we have to share. Loving servant of God, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12397 From: J J Dewey Subject: Secret Out "My theory today is that JJ is an reincarnation of Jesus and Brian dictated the Immortal to him :- ))))" Love Glenys OH No!!! The secret is out! (lol) JJ Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12398 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Secret Out So......do I get a free book then? Love Glenys PS Welcome Claire. Zia is right, you can purchase The Immortal which comprises Books One and Two. But you can read Book One on J J Dewey's site at: www.freeread.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To take a righteous attitude to anything is to denigrate it. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12399 From: RWBH Subject: Re: Secret Out Well Glenys, I hate to offend any of Jerry's Kids, but I have to disagree with boy blunder Jerry Lewis who said women don't make good comics: I think you just won the prize for most absurdly funny thing I've ever read on the Keys list...or elsewhere. As much as I thought you were being awfully snippy at me of late, this new theory of yours puts you back into my very good books. I think you just made the funniest joke possible from the current scene at the Keys. Everytime I write Keys...alas...I have to think of the Keys in Florida for which "Keys" is synonomous. Florida. Yuh, well, women can be silly, and women can be comic genii, so there. brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12400 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Secret Out RWBH wrote: "his new theory of yours puts you back into my very good books." Why, thanks Brian It's all I've ever wanted :-) Love Glenys PS Anyway, who's to say it's only a theory :-))) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To take a righteous attitude to anything is to denigrate it. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12401 From: RWBH Subject: Not the Only JJ In the World JJ is not the only JJ in the world. I know of two others: JJ Cale, a fine musician; and JJ Dagnone (sp), a defenseman for the Montreal Canadians of the NHL. JC Tremblay was only close. I wondered if this might have any remote connection to JJ when I thought Rick was an habitant. Et en francais...i am...je suis...i, jesus...is jesu. brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12402 From: RWBH Subject: Re: Secret Out Glenys Lowery wrote: "It's all I've ever wanted :-)" Miracles do happen...see. "PS Anyway, who's to say it's only a theory :-)))" Uh...YOU said it was a 'theory'??? Not only a great joke, Glenys, but you also created a scenario where I get to quote one of my favorite lines from "Silence of the Lambs". No..it's NOT the chiante line. Considering these 'hot' posts between us.. "People will say we're in love." --Hannibal the Cannibal : Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12403 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... " I almost wish we all were closer, that I could have one on one with some of you who have gotten past the point that I am at now, ....I just thought I would share this with you all. Something told me I needed to..:) Love to all, Jean" I have just added another feature to my computer. I joined dialpad.com for free and can now call any phone in the USA for free. I rarely initiate phone calls, because I don't like to intrude on others space, unless invited. I am more than happy to spend time with anybody that contacts me though. Ask anyone that has contacted me via ICQ. I'll drop whatever I'm doing and talk as long as you like. If any keyster in the USA wants to chat, by phone, drop me an e-mail giving phone number and the best times to call and I'll dial you up. For those outside the USA, I have mediaring.com, which is also free to download from the net. If you also have this software, we can talk computer to computer, using voice. Mediaring also has built in voice mail, which I have used on several occasions to send voice messages to e-mail addresses. If you call me when I'm off line, be sure to leave a voice message. And, of course, there is ICQ. Many of us use this on a regular basis and it really helps make us feel closer. It has become impractical for me to maintain a list of locations, as I used to, but if individuals would now and then include their geographic location, in the signature, perhaps those that live close will write and set up a meeting. In the interest of becoming closer, Rick Plano, TX., USA (best time to chat, after 10 C.S.T.) -- ICQ # 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ The only really natural diet http://www.neanderthin.com have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:* I'm only in it for the thrill Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12404 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: bad seeds Recently uploaded pages 2101-2200 and 2201-2300, at the xoom archives at http://members.xoom.com/keysarchive/ contain much discussion on Maya and the other obstacles. Hope this helps. Rick Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12405 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: bad seeds Editor's Note: Repeat post of No. 12404 Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12406 From: "Judy Reese" Subject Re: [Claire] Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] Christopher: "15% came into bodies after birth ... where the previous incarnation did not die until up to 12 months after the baby was born" Judes: That is my twin sister Jane who is now my little girl Caeli[3 years old]. Caeli was born 9 months before Janes passed and the 2 physical incarnations of Jane co-existed for 9 months. About a month before Jane passed she said she felt she was becoming Caeli and instead of re- incarnating she would just be absorbed into Caeli..as she did not understand that she was actually re-incarnating into someone already born. This has been to the MOST rewarding and spiritually re-vitalizing experience for me to birth, witness, and be part of nurturing into fulfillment. Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12407 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... Editor's Note: Repeat post of No. 12403 Post No. keys-l: /2000-08/12408 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: bad seeds Editor's Note: Repeat post of No. 12404 Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12409 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: [Claire] Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] ... Judes Judes, I honour your communication with the children... and your openness to allow and accept the experience which many would say can't be. The Children do come as our teachers ... and we can only hear them if we put aside all of our preconceptions. There is more wisdom in a tree (and a child) before it is cut down, processed into paper and indelibly imprinted with the written word Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12410 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Secret Out Okay..Are you guys [JJ,Glenys,Rwbh} making fun of me or what? LOL Judes P.s. Do I seem weird? "My theory today is that JJ is an reincarnation of Jesus and Brian dictated the Immortal to him :- )))) Love Glenys" "OH No!!! The secret is out! (lol) JJ" "Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All rights Reserved" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12411 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Welcome Claire Close your eyes Claire and see the red carpet unrolling to you from us. We are pleased to have you around. Feel free to share with us who you are whenever you feel comfortable. Love, Craig Tholson Claire wrote: "Answer from a book I'm reading: 144 years between incarnations. For instance, is one lives 60 years in the physical, then they'll typically have 84 earth years in the spirit, etc. My personal thought is that this may be typical, but it will have variances, according to the personality." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12412 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Caeli-Jane Christopher: yes..I have had many profound spiritual confirmations[opening a book to a page and reading an explanation of what spiritually transpired, brilliant perfect rainbows appearing for seconds only immediately after asking if she could truly be Jane, lucid dreams of talking to Jane and she confirmed she was Caeli, etc.]and then countless physical evidence of things Caeli says or remembers. many of her teachers/and my friends feel she is remarkably brilliant, because she says and knows things that only an adult with cognitive reasoning would know.. .and then of course the unmistakenable 'essence' of my sister that only a twin could recognize for sure. I will never forget the night that when she was 1 and 1/2 years old and I was reading the alphabet to her[certainly not expecting a response] and she pointed to the 'J' in the middle and said 'Jane'..and then pointed to it again and said 'Judy'...Mommy you are 'Judy'! Such joy all the time! Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12413 From: "Jennifer Hampson" Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] Now Glenys just make sure you specify that Brian IS NOT Jesus, he just DICTATED the parables to Jesus (AKA JJ). We don't want any misunderstandings here. Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12414 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Secret Out Absolutely not, Judes. It was just a ploy to get Hannibal the Cannibal too fall for me. After all, it was my turn :-) Love Glenys Judy Reese wrote: "Okay..Are you guys [JJ, Glenys, Rwbh} making fun of me or what? LOL" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To take a righteous attitude to anything is to denigrate it. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12415 From: RWBH Subject: Re: Reincarnation[Private e-mail] I guess that kind of makes Sterling...gulp...the reincarnation of...gulp.... Aleister Crowley??? brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12416 From: RWBH Subject: Re: Secret Out Now girls, polygamy is 'the other ' site. Besides...I'm pretty 'tied up' with book of baaaa baaaa black sheep angeLAMBer right now. Cereal polygamy...hmmmm...Glenys can be my Special K(eyster). Just add milk...of human kindness LOL. And speaking of milk...don't they serve that in the CAFETERIA, where this silly boy and girl talk belongs. brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12417 From: Jean Subject: Re: Another round of truth.... Dear Zia, Yes I have to agree with you it is a very amazing miracle. Tell me more about this "overshadowing" I am curious about it. And you brought Up something I had forgotten, he was known to do that be one place and another, and in fact I believe the woman I spoke about most recently also does that, in her healing. My thoughts on your last question....this oneness with all, is so great I believe anything is possible. The saying that goes Through him, with him and in him, in the unity of the holy spirit......that applies so well...and what I am reading now in J.J. 's book 2 of the Immortal, when Joseph goes to Shamballa, there he finds even closely that oneness, when he sees and knows all because he is all....am I right on that J.J? Love to all , Jean Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12418 From: J J Dewey Subject: Solar Questions How can I refuse to comment on Zia's post when she's fallen in love with my mind? That tickles me considering the rocky beginning we had. If we can harmonize maybe there's hope for Sterling and me after all. I remember when you left the list on several occasions in frustration with me I had a feeling that a seed had been planted in you that you just couldn't bring yourself to cast it away. Because you did not uproot it and reflected from time to time it began to grow and this kept bringing you back. In fact I remember making a definite prediction to the list you would be back. Now I'm sure you still do not believe everything I teach, but the growing seed within you is causing you to pay attention and reflect more seriously on my words than before. I once told you that I felt a trickle down effect from the love you mentioned in your postings, but now we are both opening some of the same valves I feel a real interplay with you in the spiritual realms. This illustrates that for a full registration of love there must be a giving and receiving from both ends. For instance, I love Sterling as a brother and I am sure he loves me as much as one can who sees another as under the influence of the Devil, but if the barriers of giving and receiving could be removed there could be an interplay that would cause the angels to shed tears of joy. So even though we are both as capable of love as the next guy the love of God cannot interplay in fullness. I would hope that day may come for us in this life rather than the next. Anyway, Zia, I am enjoying having the barriers of sending and receiving come down between us and hope to make the best of it. Keep in mind that it is entirely possible that I will say something tomorrow that may try your faith and patience to the extreme, but for today, let us smell the roses. You commented on the animal lives within us and mentioned the American Indians in this regard. Yes, they do instinctively sense this truth. This is one of the reasons they often gave themselves animal names and even used animals images for healing. Zia: "I wonder if there is a key word search into her information as well?" Probably the best one you can use is the phrase: "previous solar system." DK uses this 37 times. A good project for someone would be to gather all the good information from these searches and post them for us. Zia: "This so tied in with Stephen Hawking's very scientific view of the mother giving birth to daughter universes and the mother universe actually becomes a closed universe, unchanging in his understanding." JJ This may have a correspondence, but a solar system is just a very small part of an island universe (a galaxy) or a universe of galaxies. A solar system is merely one sun with a system of planets. The previous incarnation of our sun and planets was a previous sun and planets vibrating to a different key and color frequencies. When this ancient system finished its life the form returned to it's quiescent state and billions of years later was reborn as our current little star system about three quarters of the way from the center of the Milky Way. Zia: (Quoting me): "...we lived as composite units through the 21 minor centers that still exist within our bodies. Zia: Perhaps it is no wonder I so loved the 21 oms I did for many years, as could it be possible these still exist within the female being?? JJ They still exist in all of us. Here is a tabulation given by DK The etheric body is a body composed entirely of lines of force and of points where these lines of force cross each other and thus form (in crossing) centres of energy. Where many such lines of force cross each other, you have a larger centre of energy, and where great streams of energy meet and cross, as they do in the head and up the spine, you have seven major centres. There are seven such, plus twenty-one lesser centers and forty-nine smaller centres known to the esotericists. However, we will confine ourselves at this time to the etheric body as a whole and to the seven major centres. It might be of interest to you, nevertheless, to be told where the twenty- one minor centres are to be found. They can be located at the following points: There are two of them in front of the ears close to where the jaw bones are connected. There are two of them just above the two breasts. There is one where the breast bones meet, close to the thyroid gland. This, with the two breast centres, makes a triangle of force. There are two, one each in the palms of the hands. There are two, one each in the soles of the feet. There are two, just behind the eyes. There are two also connected with the gonads. There is one close to the liver. There is one connected with the stomach; it is related, therefore, to the solar plexus, but is not identical with it. There are two connected with the spleen. These form one centre in reality, but such a centre is formed by the two being superimposed one on the other. There are two-one at the back of each knee. There is one powerful centre which is closely connected with the vagus nerve. This is most potent and is regarded by some schools of occultism as a major centre; it is not in the spine, but is no great distance from the thymus gland. There is one which is close to the solar plexus, and relates it to the centre at the base of the spine, thus making a triangle of the sacral centre, the solar plexus, and the centre at the base of the spine. The two triangles referred to in this tabulation are of real importance. One is above and the other below the diaphragm. Zia: This is so interesting JJ... (the fact that the first solar system was Third Ray and this one Second Ray) so from this level with the manifestation of a new life form, will that be upon the foundation energy of the First Ray?? JJ There will be some First Ray (the Ray of Power) manifest but all forms and life in this system have the purpose of manifesting Divine Love. In the near future we will see more First Ray demonstrated than ever before in recorded history, but all the First Ray influence we will perceive will be within the context of one of the seven sub raays of the major Second Ray o Love. Zia: So do the Solar angels thus create the next foundation energy system, say for the future the first ray, by incarnating here and creating from here that future system?? JJ A common name for the Solar Angel is the Higher Self. Eventually your perfected self will fuse with your Higher Self and evolve through all the higher spheres together as this solar system dies. Then in ages and ages hence a new solar system will come into incarnation on the First Ray of Will-Power-Purpose. In that far future age your new and improved Higher Self will reflect again and nurture its new born baby - a new and improved version of you. In this system the Higher Self teaches and guides us through the knowledge and impulse of Love. But in that future system Love will be known and the connection with the Higher Self will be much more direct and we shall walk in that system as gods compared to this one. Power will become manifested beyond our imagination at this time There are principles where power can be exercised that our imagination is not even capable of perceiving at present. We must perceive where and how power can be used before power can be desired or sought. Zia: So those that had not progressed and ended uup here, would they be what I termed the 'laggards' that came here, not originally from here?? JJ There have been teachings circulated that many of the problem people here are laggards from other solar systems. This is not exactly true. The real laggards are from the previous incarnation of this system, not from other current solar systems. Generally each solar system takes care of their own problem children with one major exception. There are cases where an initiate came very close to choosing the Dark Path and in taking a detour he developed some very heavy karma. His debt was so great that it was difficult for the entity to pay off what he owed in his system as it leans toward the ways of peace. In this case the reformed brother is in need of a more turbulent world where is will be able to perform the needed service. Some of our greatest teachers and leaders on this planet are these entities who are now centered on the Spirit, but are obligated to give a great service before they can obtain liberation. They are not laggards, but advanced souls with a debt to pay. Abraham Lincoln was one of these. Zia; "So would it be true to say, that in this second group of initiates (from the previous solar system) are those that have already overcome death in some other system, and thus would be termed 'masters' by our expression here..." JJ Not exactly. Those who are Masters here on this earth have become one with their higher Self and are linked Molecularly. What we know as a Master today did not even exist in that previous system. High initiates there mastered form whereas current Masters are also masters of love and wisdom. Let me give a hearty welcome back to Geoffrey who asks: "Are the Jews of today all reincarnated from the Jews of yesterday, all the way back to Moses, or even their previous planet? If not, then they have no more right to call themselves a Jew as anyone else." JJ Many of the Jews who seem stuck in the ways of the past belong to this group of laggards mentioned earlier and will often incarnate into the Jewish race. However, many of the Jews from the time of Jesus have incarnated into the Mormon church and some of the Jewish leaders from that time are leaders in the Mormon church today. It is interesting that the Mormons even have their own dead sea, a symbol of their dead works. Glenys Brings up this: J J Dewey wrote: "Your lower centers are composed of refined animal type lives who are seeking to be one in consciousness with you." There are two major parts to yourself which are composed of two groups of lives that we all can identify with - the heart and the head. We can tell they are two lives because they have two wills as I pointed out previously. Glenys: I would have said the heart and the head are higher rather than lower centres. JJ The head and heart are higher centers. I was changing subjects here. When I mentioned the heart and the head I was not referring to just two centers but the two major divisions of our centers and our being. We can all identify with the feeling and thinking parts of ourselves as being two parts of ourselves common to all. Glenys, But that aside, are the lives which comprise the heart and the head (to use your examples) the same in each individual i.e. from the same animal 'family'? JJ The animal lives generally make up the lower four centers and they will be different combinations for different entities. Glenys Some people are more cerebral than other while some have more 'heart', for example. Are these differences a reflection of different life forms or just variations on the same theme? JJ Our differences are created by many differing causes - our past decisions, our bodies, and the ray and astrological influences. The subject is too vast to cover in detail here. JJ How are these animal lives organized in us to produce individuals i.e. how are they melded with our genetic structures, karmic patterns etc. It is a combination of molecular order and fusion. We shall talk more about the principle of fusion at some future date. Glenys, When we die and the etheric body dissipates, what happens to these lives? Do they just go back into some kind of storehouse to be used another time? JJ You answered your own question here. We leave them behind when entering the spirit world and assume a new but similar group of lives in a future incarnation. Sometimes we will take many of them with us to a future life but not necessarily all. Glenys At what stage do they become one in consciousness with us? When we achieve soul contact? As the onus is on us to form contact with higher lives, I assume the onus is on the animal lives within us to achieve consciousness with their human 'hosts'? So we don't have to do anything to assist, except 'be there'? JJ You are on the right track here. Your solar plexus center, for example is composed of ten petals which slowly unfold. These are ten lesser lives making a greater life. As each of these ten lives contact and merge with the higher self which is you they unfold like a flower. When all ten unfold then the greater life or molecule of ten become a greater life, but still a part of you. This has the effect of stimulating your consciousness and moving you into experiencing new feelings. The higher centers are stimulated by your higher self and largely composed of lesser angel lives. Glenys Do individuals manifest characteristics of one or two predominant animal lifeforms (totems) and can groups and natioons manifest them in a simila manner? Do they help to 'protect' us as many believe? JJ Good question. I'll try and get to this later. It's past my bedtime. Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12419 From: xavier Subject: Re: Solar Questions Glenys "Some people are more cerebral than other while some have more 'heart', for example. Are these differences a reflection of different life forms or just variations on the same theme?" Leadbeater gave an answer to that : When an animal reaches individualization, through stimulation by a human being, the human being can stimulate the soul of the animal on one of its three aspects : will, love or intelligence. Depending on the aspect that is stimulated, the individualized soul will be stronger on this aspect. For instance, an animal that reached individualization through the impersonal love of his "master" will have a freshly new soul (though i guess that the Life comes from higher?) that is mainly of the ray of love. OOps I see that this contradicts the molecular principle : animals don't become humans, they associate. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12420 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: OT Maya, Glamour and Illusion Zia, You were very kind to take so much time to think about me and to write to me. The thoughts were very insightful and helpful to me as well as the other messages sent by Margaret, Xavier, Judy and Glenys. Thanks so much to everyone who answered. Every one of you had a message for me and I am grateful for such insightful friends. I am on my way to see my daughter and mother for a couple of days and will miss reading you. Susan * Zia wrote: "Loving greetings to you Susan, and hope you will not mind if we take you into NJ and pour love and light into you for awhile!!:)" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-21/12421 From: "susan carter" Subject: Welcome to Claire Claire so glad you could join us. You will find free on line books in some of the archives that were posted in your welcome letter. I think you will really enjoy reading The Immortal Book 1. It is entertaining and very spiritual. Thanks for jumping in and letting us get to know you. Susan Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12422 From: "MArk & Carol" Subject: RE: Digest No. 2000-02-21 of The Keys of Knowledge List PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM THIS ACCOUNT ASAP. THANK YOU Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12423 From: J J Dewey Subject: Meeting Anni, How'd the meeting go? Hope you enjoyed it. JJ Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12424 From: Mark D Williams Subject: Maya--Keyster websites Maya: 1) (in Vedantic philosophy) the illusion of the reality of sensory experience and of the experienced qualities and attributes of oneself. 2) a member of any of a group of American Indian peoples of Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and Belize; builders of a major pre-Columbian civilization that flourished ca. 300 BC-AD 900. 3) comes after Aprila and before Juna. 4) feminine shortened form of mayonnaise. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* I would like to gather together a webpage for the xoom archives containing links to keysters' personal websites. I think Samu may already have some on his Photo page, but if you would like me to include yours, please send me a personal email (not to the list) with the URL. Mark voxdoc@yahoo.com Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12425 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Maya--Keyster websites you forgot these definitions: (5) In Hinduism -- The power of a god or demon to transform a concept into an element of the sensible world. (6) A feminine name. Usually, but not necessarily, reserved for powerful women with thick accents. (OK, I made that one up!) ~B. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12426 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: (OT) Does this ring any Bells??? I don't usually do things like this, but just couldn't resist the urge to share this. When I go home today I had this in my e-mail from my friend UK Astrologer Jonathan Cainer. I've always thought Jonathan was the bar none best Astrologer in the world, but even a better Psychologist. I've never meet another human with his wit, or ability to hit the nail right on the head consistently. Oh, by the way Judes I'll get on the Aryan thing as soon as I get a free minute. Your Friend, John Here's his advice today for Scorpio. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. Or, for we really must be politically correct, in the republic of the visually challenged, the partially sighted person is president. Either way, we have here the only point you need to remember during the course of the next few days. You may know little about a certain matter but at least you know how little you know. That makes you more qualified to speak and decide than someone who thinks they know an awful lot but who actually has even less insight into the situation. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12427 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: [OT] Does this ring? John WK: You rang? Hi..I am a Scorp..and BTW I noticed from your bio that you and I were born one day apart. My birthday is Oct 24th,'51; and yours was Oct. 23rd '51. So..HI..cuz! You are on the cusp too. The posting by the astrologer really fit for me..as I have been analyzing my perceptions of maya..and realizing that very 'little' has been what it has seemed..and 'how' do I get to the place of seeing more of 'what really is real' or' what is really happening' etc. I liked JJ's description of Einstien going on walks and getting lost; because he was so into the reality of the moment. Way cool! Could you pass on or post the url of the astrologer..he sounded very with it. Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12428 From: Jean Subject: about book 2 I finally finished the book J.J and it was wonderful! A fantastic book! When is the next one coming out? Also I had a thought and I am sure someone has already thought of it but what of making a movie on the book? It would grasp people not into reading as well as some who would not understand the book? Any thoughts? Love to all, Jean Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12429 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: [OT] Does this ring? Judes, you'll find Jonathan Cainer at http://stars.metawire.com/ Born one day a part from me, you poor thing. It isn't easy being a Scorpio, but some times it's a lot of fun isn't it? JJ should go to the above URL and check out Gemini. Both he, and I are Gemini rising. It hits to a tee. I love those Einstein stories too. My wife says I'm a lot like him, except for the smart part. I tell her it's one pointed attention, in the present moment. LOL Your Friend, John Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12430 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: RE: [OT] Does this ring? Thanks for the address John. As another Scorpio, I'm afraid I resemble a lot of these things myself. I read once that Einstein said that memorizing facts was a useless endeavor because facts could be looked up any time. I've used that excuse for my own laziness in memorizing facts. Unfortunately, many useless tidbits of information seem to be locked in my mind for whatever reason. Trivia? I've got lots of them. :) Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12431 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: [OT] Does this ring? Hi fellow Scorps. Yep, me too. November 17th. Craig Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12432 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re:[OT] Does this ring? - Book OK, I know this is very OT but I didn't start this thread :-) I'm reading a book by Alan Oken called 'Soul Centered Astrology' and it tells you how to reveal your soul's path to inner guidance and enlightenment. These are some of the topics he covers: 10 principles of the Ancient Wisdom Teachings Nature and Influence of the Seven Rays Path of Incarnation and the Three Crosses In depth analysis of the chakras Esoteric significance of the planets in signs Guide to Soul Centered natal chart delineation DK said that Esoteric Astrology would be practised more in the future as knowledge grew. This book brings that prediction a step closer, in my view. For all you Scorpio's out there, you 'll be pleased to know that Scorpio is the sign of the Path of Discipleship and is ruled by the 4th Ray - the path of harmony through conflict (ha ha; bum rap guys :-). It is described as The Light of Day - the place where the three lights meet - the light of form, the light of the soul and the light of life. They meet, they blend, they rise. A most interesting book. ISBN 0-89594-811-7 Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To take a righteous attitude to anything is to denigrate it. - Joseph Campbell Post no. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12433 From: "Darian & B.J." Subject: Fw: Something to Ponder TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND READ THESE AND THINK ABOUT THEM WITHOUT GOING ON TO THE NEXT ONE... IT DOES MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD... Falling in love. Laughing so hard your face hurts. A hot shower. No lines at the Super Wal-Mart. A special glance. Getting mail. Taking a drive on a pretty road. Hearing your favorite song on the radio. Lying in bed listening to the rain outside. Hot towels out of the dryer. Finding the sweater you want is on sale for half price. Chocolate milkshake. (or vanilla!) A long distance phone call. A bubble bath. Giggling. A good conversation. The beach. Finding a $20 bill in your coat from last winter. Laughing at yourself. Midnight phone calls that last for hours. Running through sprinklers. Laughing for absolutely no reason at all. Having someone tell you that you're beautiful. Laughing at an inside joke. Friends. Falling in love for the first time. Accidentally overhearing someone say something nice about you. Waking up and realizing you still have a few hours left to sleep. Your first kiss. Making new friends or spending time with old ones. Playing with a new puppy. Late night talks with your roommate that keep you from sleeping. Having someone play with your hair. Sweet dreams. Hot chocolate. Road trips with friends. Swinging on swings. Watching a good movie cuddled up on a couch with someone you love. Wrapping presents under the Christmas tree while eating cookies and drinking eggnog. Song lyrics printed inside your new CD so you can sing along without feeling stupid. Going to a really good concert. Getting butterflies in your stomach every time you see that one person. Making eye contact with a cute stranger. Winning a really competitive game. Making chocolate chip cookies. Having your friends send you homemade cookies. Spending time with close friends. Seeing smiles and hearing laughter from your friends... Holding hands with someone you care about. Running into an old friend and realizing that some things (good or bad) never change. Discovering that love is unconditional and stronger than time. Riding the best roller coasters over and over. Hugging the person you love. Watching the expression on someone's face as they open a much-desired present from you. Watching the sunrise. Getting out of bed every morning and thanking God for another beautiful day........ When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12434 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: about book 2 Good idea, Jean! JJ could play himself streaking through the streets (although, sorry JJ, but I'd prefer Pierce Brosnahan), Rick could play Wayne, Arie's so gorgeous she would have to play Elizabeth, I'm not sure who could play John and Philos though. But as is always the case with Hollywood, apart from Elizabeth, there are no good parts for women, JJ, who would write the screenplay, would have to add some more, just to keep things fair. I've been fine tuning my acting ability for years and so I wouldn't be content to be a waitress in Shamballah handing out cocktails. In fact, I think the film should portray the Ancient of Days as a woman in the interests of equality. A small but pivotal role. That sounds like me :-))) Love Glenys - A Star Is Born Jean wrote: "I finally finished the book J.J and it was wonderful!" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12435 From: xavier Subject: OT Re: about book 2 Glenys Lowery wrote: "I've been fine tuning my acting ability for years and so I wouldn't be content to be a waitress in Shamballah handing out cocktails. In fact, I think the film should portray the Ancient of Days as a woman in the interests of equality. A small but pivotal role. That sounds like me :-)))" Reminds me of Alanis Morissette playing God Herself in "Dogma". Yes it would suit you well;-) Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12436 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: about book 2 Do you take direction well, Glenys? I always fancied being a director after watching movies being made here in Central Texas. :) Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12437 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: about book 2 I'm as submissive as a lamb, Diane. Everyone knows that ;-) As far as I'm concerned, you've got the job! Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To take a righteous attitude to anything is to denigrate it. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12438 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Does it Ring? [OT} Glenys: Thanks for book: Do[post] Aquarius for JJ, fellow water-bearers, and the new age. Judes P.S. What is your sign,,G.? Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12439 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: about Book 2 John: John Wayne Kline Philo: Tom Cruise Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12440 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Book 2 O yes.I want to be executive producer. Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12441 From: Claire Subject: Thanks Thanks, all of you, for the warm welcome. I'm beginning to read the book online, and I must say it is extremely fascinating, but I guess you all know that already. Do you discuss the book? Is JJ Dewey, the author, THE JJ everyone talks about here? Are other lists in Spiritweb like this one? Claire o:) The mystery of the universe is composition. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12442 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Does it Ring? [OT} Judy Reese wrote: "Glenys: Thanks for book: Do [post] Aquarius for JJ, fellow water-bearers, and the new age. There's pages on each sign and then ascendants and planets etc. so I can't do justice to the interpretations without scanning the entire book. But...as the rising sign of the earth has just entered into Aquarius, the Water Bearer can be said (according to Oken) to be the primary field of expression for the Soul of Humanity. In a sense, we can all be said to have Aquarius rising, if not in our charts, then at least transcendentally in the expression of our consciousness. Oken's catchphrase for Aquarius is The Light that Shines on Earth, Across the Sea (this is the light which ever shines within the dark and cleansing with its healing rays that which must be purified until the dark has gone). It is, of course, governed by the 5th Ray - Concrete Mind. Judes: " P.S. What is your sign,,G.?" Superior Virgo :-) With Leo rising. Virgo - The Blended Dual Light (Two lights are seen - one bright and strong, the light of form; one faint and dim, the Light of God. This light is distinguished by the waxing of one and the waning of the other). Virgo externalizes the Soul onto the physical plane. In this respect it is the sign of the 'Hidden Christ' as it represents the inner gestation and growth of the Soul force within us. It represents the Mother Principle who births the 'Child' - the Christ, Saviour, etc. It's Ray is the 6th - the Ray of Devotion and it's symbol is the six pointed star of the Soul infused personality. That's all folks! Buy the book. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Getting a comedic view of your situation gives you spiritual distance. having a sense of humour saves you. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12443 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Thanks Claire wrote: "I'm beginning to read the book online, and I must say it is extremely fascinating, but I guess you all know that already. Do you discuss the book?" `Sometimes. Mostly, the list is a vehicle for JJ's ongoing teachings which we all lap up greedily until he gets round to writing more books. In between that, we discuss and debate other issues that arise which is why it's difficult for a newcomer to get an idea of what's going on. I've been on the list since it was first started in Nov '98 and even I often don't know what's going on :-))) "Is JJ Dewey, the author, THE JJ everyone talks about here?" The one and same man. "Are other lists in Spiritweb like this one?" No. We're by far the best :-) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Getting a comedic view of your situation gives you spiritual distance. having a sense of humour saves you. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12444 From: "Jina Bostick" Subject: Re: [OT] Does this ring? How about Oct. 22nd? Sunshine Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12445 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Solar Questions Loving greetings, Thank you JJ for putting in so much time and effort in responding to my questions:) And thank you for understanding my love of your mind... for I have truly discovered that it is that precise love of mind, that opens all the doors... as you call them 'valves'!! JJ: How can I refuse to comment on Zia's post when she's fallen in love with my mind? That tickles me considering the rocky beginning we had. If we can harmonize maybe there's hope for Sterling and me after all. Zia: I am so glad it brought you the delight that it also brought myself. It is a great surrender, and I trust Sterling will consider the potentials in this lifetime, especially when such free will and opportunity for discernment, and soul confirmation are not only encouraged but the whole purpose in being here on the list in many ways!! JJ: I remember when you left the list on several occasions in frustration with me I had a feeling that a seed had been planted in you that you just couldn't bring yourself to cast it away. Because you did not uproot it and reflected from time to time it began to grow and this kept bringing you back. In fact I remember making a definite prediction to the list you would be back. Now I'm sure you still do not believe everything I teach, but the growing seed within you is causing you to pay attention and reflect more seriously on my words than before. Zia: Yes I also thought about this with your previous posts on planting seeds etc... I found that the seed that got planted, was not just for you or your teachings more precisely, but for my love of everyone on the list... the profound friendships that are growing, and have yet to 'complete' in the physical so to speak. I also feel that what I went through three weeks ago lifted all resistance, that in that surrender to God's Will in Action, I truly accepted where I am right now, and willing to receive it in an open state of mind, for that is the only way I desire to operate. Consequently I have allowed your words to paint pictures in my mind, complete pieces to the ever extending puzzle, and inspire me into bliss. JJ: I once told you that I felt a trickle down effect from the love you mentioned in your postings, but now we are both opening some of the same valves I feel a real interplay with you in the spiritual realms. Zia: And it is true that resistance does exactly that, causes a resistance in the flow of love!! Very little can get through... a great analogy. And effects not only love, but understanding, trust, and just about everything else! This 'real interplay with you in the spiritual realms' is also very true... I had for three or four nights running before writing my comments of 'falling in love', been dreaming being with you each night, doing various things... and gained a lot of understanding and obviously a great love for you out of these dreams, and was very much compelled to write of this. I wish someone would change the expression to 'rising in love' instead!!! Perhaps the physical connotations of love... cause a falling into the lower centers... however I can only feel a great rising into bliss and joy and understanding. JJ: This illustrates that for a full registration of love there must be agiving and receiving from both ends. Zia: I trust by 'both ends' you mean both parties willing to give and receive love, willing to hear, and understand one another, and thus willing to share. JJ: For instance, I love Sterling as a brother and I am sure he loves me as much as one can who sees another as under the influence of the Devil, but if the barriers of giving and receiving could be removed there could be an interplay that would cause the angels to shed tears of joy. So even though we are both as capable of love as the next guy the love of God cannot interplay in fullness. I would hope that day may come for us in this life rather than the next. Zia: I also love that expression 'the love of God cannot interplay in fullness'... this is to me our real purpose... that interplay in the love of God... which can bring such joy in the mind through understanding and wisdom! Yes we cry once the greatest adversity, difficulties and resistances are overcome... and shed these tears of joy as the release of that past resistance... I am just relieved that I can open in love and trust for that is always my purpose and goal. JJ: Anyway, Zia, I am enjoying having the barriers of sending and receiving come down between us and hope to make the best of it. Keep in mind that it is entirely possible that I will say something tomorrow that may try your faith and patience to the extreme, but for today, let us smell the roses. Zia: We have a lot in common JJ, aquarians, and grand trines in air, for both of us. And most of all I believe a profound love of God, and that is truly where we meet on common ground:) JJ: You commented on the animal lives within us and mentioned the American Indians in this regard. Yes, they do instinctively sense this truth. This is one of the reasons they often gave themselves animal names and even used animals images for healing. Zia: Yes and I was quite surprised when my dear friend instead of giving me an animal name, gave me a name to do with our yellow gold sun... I also realize that I was immediately looking beyond our 'current solar system' to our universe, and hence created a small confusion there. Yet the creation function would follow similar lines whether universes, galaxies, or solar systems. I wonder why we created a solar system with only one sun, when many have more than that, and also why a yellow sun, rather than say a blue one... yet this may have to do with age of our solar system rather than anything else??? I would also like to add that I am committed to being present at our June gathering, trusting all things will be made possible for this to occur. My husband also intends to come with me:) Thank you for including the information also on the 21 minor centers in the body... that was of great interest, and I intend to focus more intensely upon that. I have a few more comments on some of your answers, and of course minor questions, and will write in another post. Loving servant of God, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12446 From: Lori-Beth Gilbert Subject: OT-Hello! Good evening all!! I meant to post earlier, but was unable to get to the computer until now. You know, have to take care of family first. Just thought I would introduce myself as I am joining you for the first time. My name is Lori-Beth, I am a 32 year old mother of three and I have been learning these same principals and following this path for many years. Although I have been distracted and have allowed myself to slack for the last couple of years. I really want to thank JJ for his fantastic book, and Lorraine for having that bumper sticker on her car that led me to it. Yes Lorraine, it's me. We really need to get together for a chat soon!! JJ's book was a royal kick in the behind to get back to living at a higher level. I've allowed too many things to cloud my spirit and I lost sight of my "becoming". Book one really put some things into perspective that I already knew, just didn't fully understand or had forgotten, and made me realize just where I had put myself for the last two years. I can't wait to read book two!! Thanks again JJ, you'll be hearing from me a lot! Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12447 From: Lori-Beth Gilbert Subject: Re:[OT] Does this ring? - Book By the way, since it seems to be the off topic of the day, I'm a Gemini too, May 23 Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12448 From: "Craig Tholson" Subject: Re: OT-Hello! Welcome to the Keys, Lori-Beth, assuming that's your name. Lorraine is a good lead to follow in here, so pull up your chair and tell us who you are, and what you want for Christmas. Craig Tholson Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12449 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: OT-Hello! Welcome to the Keysters Lori-Beth. You sound like you are "hooked" on JJ's teachings. I hope we do hear lots from you. I love learning. Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12450 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: OT-Hello! Lori-Beth wrote, "I really want to thank JJ for his fantastic book, and Lorraine for having that bumper sticker on her car that led me to it. Yes Lorraine, it's me. We really need to get together for a chat soon!!" You just made my day Lori-Beth. In a past discussion, started by Anni, on ways to promote the book, I suggested we each make bumper stickers with www.freeread.com on them. JJ liked the idea so much he printed some up and sent them to us. I've had several people ask about mine, but you are the first member to post that you were drawn here by one. What's funny is you saw that bumper sticker very near to where JJ lives, while the idea was cooked up in a conversation between a guy in Texas and a gal in Denmark, designed to get the word out to the rest of the world. It's a small world after all, for those that seek Oneness. Welcome to the family. I look forward to hearing more from you. Rick -- ICQ # 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ The only really natural diet http://www.neanderthin.com have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:* I'm only in it for the thrill Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-22/12451 From: "Anni West" Subject: Re: Meeting Hi JJ and all, JJ wrote: "How's the meeting go? Hope you enjoyed it." Thank you, JJ, for remembering the date - I am amazed - with all the things you have to take care of. I really appreciate it :-) I am happy to tell you all that my meeting last night with the first Danish Synthesis Group went fine :-) They are a great bunch of people - and very interested. But I DO have to speed up on the translation of Book 1, because it also became very clear to me that at least half the Danish population do not understand English well enough to read "The Immortal" in English. Already I have promised to send the part that I have done to some of the people. So if any of you keysters with other native tongues than English are thinking about starting a SG you might as well start translating :-)) Thank you for all your prayers and good vibrations - without them I don't think I would have started! Love to all Anni Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12452 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Meeting Congratulations, Anni! I knew it would go well. How could it not with you at the helm! Give yourself a big, fat hug! It's wonderful knowing that there's another Synthesis Group going at last. Let's hope many more are started this year. If anyone's interested in starting one, Anni and I would be pleased to help with ideas, suggestions, pitfalls to avoid etc. Love Glenys Anni West wrote: "But I DO have to speed up on the translation of Book 1," Well, that should keep you out of trouble for awhile :-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Getting a comedic view of your situation gives you spiritual distance. having a sense of humour saves you. - Joseph Campbell Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12453 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Meeting -OT Anni writes: "about starting a SG you might as well start translating :-))" I just had a thought.....SG used here means Synthesis Group. SG is also the short form of Star Gate. But when you really think about it, a synthesis group is a star gate..... sort of. Sorry, just my wandering thoughts again. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12454 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Law of Correspondences I stand corrected Zia. I indeed left out the influence of the group in planting a fruitful seed in you. I am proud to be associated with such a fine bunch. Let us review the Principles of Discovery covered so far. They are: (1) Take the things you know (for reasonable surety) to be true and use them as a foundation or stepping stones for testing additional truths. (2) Be willing to let these foundation beliefs be either altered or dropped as some of them are replaced by higher vision. (3) The teaching should be in harmony with common sense (4) It should increase the power of Decision and free will. (5) It should bring you to a new level of awareness and usefulness. (6) Seek out true sources of knowledge, study and incorporate them into your life. Knowledge dispels error and illusion. (7) Gather all the reliable information you can about a subject of interest and try and see the principles suggested by the data. Then draw conclusions and run the conclusions by your soul and see if you receive a response. (8) Follow all the aspects of the Will of God that is within your perception and your sensitivity to the truth will increase. (9) Another instrument of discovery of truth is the Process of Elimination. How do you suppose this principle works? Have you used it yourself to discover truth? Many of us have used this in the game "Twenty Questions." (10) Effective Communication (A) Communication through perception of the outside world. (B) Person to person communication. (C) Communication through the soul. (11) Truth is in harmony with spiritual principles; therefore we discover that which is true through the application of those principles. (12) The principle of planting and harvesting. The thirteenth principle of discovery is called "the Law of Correspondences." The principle behind it is "as above so below," and visa versa. Question: Can anyone tell us what this law is and how it can be used to discover truth. Does there evolution of human life as we have been discussing fit into this law? Copyright 2000 By J.J. Dewey All rights Reserved Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12455 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Speech - OT I thought some of you may be interested in this.. Travis On Thursday, May 27, 1999, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript-- both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. "We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers. The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart. "In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent. I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy - it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. "I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best. This was written way before I knew I would be speaking here today. "Your laws ignore our deepest needs Your words are empty air You've stripped away our heritage You've outlawed simple prayer. Now gunshots fill our classrooms And precious children die You seek for answers everywhere And ask the question "Why" You regulate restrictive laws Through legislative creed And yet you fail to understand, That God is what we need!" "Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, soul, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our makeup, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and reek havoc. Spiritual influences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? "We have refused to honor God, and in doing so, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. "We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts. Political posturing and restrictive legislation are not the answers. The young people of our nation hold the key. There is a spiritual awakening taking place that will not be squelched! "We do not need more religion. We do not need more gaudy television evangelists spewing out verbal religious garbage. We do not need more million dollar church buildings built while people with basic needs are being ignored. We do need a change of heart and a humble acknowledgment that this nation was founded on the principle of simple trust in God! "As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes He did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School - prayer was brought back to our schools." "Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God - given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA - I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone! "My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!:" Be courageous enough to do what the media did not, let the nation hear this man's speech. Please send this out to everyone you can.!!! Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12456 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Law of Correspondences I believe that I use this principle more so than any other principle to discover truth . Since we cannot see with x-ray vision in to the higher realms to know what they or their inhabitants are like..I utilize this 'law' to interpret how our world is similar to the higher and vice-versa. If we accept this as a truth [law of correspondences] then by exploring the World [earth-plane]/physical with astute clarity should then give us answers to the worlds/realms beyond this one. Actually..the way that I have discerned that there are two[opposing] Hierarchies and understanding the way that they operate is by 'seeing' clearly that our world is comprised of these 2 hierarchies vying for dominion, etc. I understand that karma is relevant to all realms..as is duality. As for as evolutions fitting into this law..I would say 'yes'..because the composition/birth of greater lives from lesser lives seems to be on-going in both directions.. This was so simple a question, JJ, that it is almost hard...because I utililize this 'law' so much..it is almost hard to talk about it..since it is so second-nature. Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-23/12457 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: Synthesis Groups - the Aryan Race, etc. First Anni let me say congratulations on your synthesis group. I haven't said anything lately trying to help hold down the posts. We have had four synthesis groups here in east central Missouri that we started in October of last year. Our people have sailed through some rough waters but we always make port safely. The most difficult thing that I've found about a group is keeping them together and getting the majority of them to meetings after the new wears off, and pressing life styles demand so much of their time. Once again Anni congratulations on your initiative, and if I can ever be of assistance, you have but to ask. Glenys I cut my teeth on Alan Oken. In general most of his work resonates within me. A copy of Alan Okans Astrology has an honored place in my library, and I find myself consulting it often. Astrology like anything else can be taken to generally. Somewhat like someone saying if a person crosses their arms while engaged in conversation with you, they're blocking what your saying. Heck they just may be getting comfortable. There is a great deal of knowledge to be gained from Okan, yet my experience has been that most take him way to literally. For instance Scorpio is the most secretive, mysterious sign in the Zodiac, and literally holds the Keys to Life, and Death when understood. Scorpio has four standards compared to other signs with one, or two. The Serpent, Scorpion, Eagle, and Dove are all aspects of the Scorpio Principle according to the degree of advancement of the aspirant. I've witnessed everyone of them from the inside out, and Lord only knows our reputation for Sex which is represented by the Serpent in one of it's aspects. The Serpent Power which lies dormant in most at the Muladhara Chakra. Since everyone seemed to like Jonathan Cainer yesterday, how's today's sit with you. As I stated yesterday Jonathan has a wit, and a way with word art that I can only dream of. Here's today's Horror Scope from the Old Druid Himself. Wednesday February 23 : Big John gave up gunslinging three years back. He's a respectable married man now, livin in that shack down yonder. And Wild Lucy? Reckon she won't even touch dynamite no more. Says it plays havoc with her nails. Ask her yerself if you want. She's singing in the salon tonight. But listen pardner. If you're hopin to raise the old posse for one last raid, you're outta luck. Lest, of course, you gotta real good reason and a mighty persuasive tongue. What's that you say? Hmmm. Well I doubt it but...(continues tomorrow). Judes now I can get to your question. Last night I started on this and could quickly see it would soon resemble a book, so I'm just going to go with the short version. I heard that Thank You Father in the background! Judes much of the true knowledge of the Aryans is veiled in mystery. It has been entrusted to many adepts, and initiatates down through history. The problem is that these people were sworn by oath to never reveal this knowledge. There was good reason for this in the past but as Xavier and I have been discussing, those reasons are no longer valid, and the time is at hand for many of these long guarded secrets of the Mystical Orders to be released. Some may laugh at this, and I'm sure they will, but to do as I have indicated was a death sentence in the past. So Judes here is what little I know, or think I may know. I'll soon be putting this information on my new web site, with accompanying maps, and graphs to make it all understandable. Another reason for being guarded about this information is that Racists today, just like Hitler in the past could easily bend some of these things to fit their narrow bigoted vision. The Ancient Aryans traced their history back to Atlantis. They believed themselves to be one of the tribes of Israel, and descended from the highest bloodlines of the Elohim. Their Holy Books were passed down by word of mouth for millenniums before being recorded in writing. In the passing, the words had to be memorized word, for word, without the slightest modification. Basically in Ancient times there were two major caste, the Priests, and the Warriors. Since both were on equal footing they worked together in common purpose. In later times this would change drastically. The strange thing is in these later times very few of the Priest Caste reached any de