2000 - WEEK 7 Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11939 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Turning Hearts J J Dewey wrote: "The first paragraph in his post is a very deceptive distortion of my views Sterling::" He very subtly lays back and finds new ways to monopolize the discussions turning the attention back towards him again. Does he like the spotlight or just being in the spotlight? Diane Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11940 From: "Jennifer Hampson" Subject: Re: (Brian) OT - New Age Love Savage Garden - just one more great thing to come out of Australia. The music that goes with the lyrics is pretty good too. Brian you're so fickle! First it's Liz Barrett-Browning, then Susan, and now some other Sheila. Glenys, RWBH Brian did mention Celine in one of his earliest posts. You're on the mark with that one but maybe you missed that "that's the way it is" is a line from one of her songs. Being such a big fan and all, I thought you'd like to know. I just channeled this Valentines Day Poem for you. Roses are red Violets are blue Here's a big kiss For the Keysters crew Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11941 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: (Brian) OT - New Age Love Jennifer Hampson wrote: "Glenys, RWBH Brian did mention Celine in one of his earliest posts." Yes, I knew but I didn't want to 'Tell Him'. I thought I'd let him 'Be the Man' although I did wonder 'Where Is the Love'. But I decided to just "Walk Away'. Anyway, who am I to say 'Why Oh Why'? I know that 'Love Doesn't Ask Why' and 'My Heart Will Go On' even though I have 'Miles to Go Before I Sleep' "Roses are red Violets are blue Here's a big kiss For the Keysters crew" Oh, Jen....you are always there 'When I Need You' and you always bring out the 'Real Emotion' in me; there is 'No Living Without Loving You' and I thank God daily for the 'Power of Love'! Love Glenys (who found not one, but two Dion CD's in her collection - and Savage Garden, of course (they're not too bad for Aussies :-))) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Out beyond all right-doing and wrong-doing there is a field. I'll meet you there. ~ Rumi Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11942 From: J J Dewey Subject: Higher Incarnation The subject: So the two key words are "body" and "incarnation." It is obvious to us that we as humans need a body prepared and then we jump into it or incarnate, but this is not so obvious concerning greater lives. Question: Why is this knowledge so significant when we think of creating a molecule of 24? What are we creating and what will incarnate into it? Does this shed light on why the Apostles of Jesus had powers that were different from human? Was the new life that shall be manifest ever human? How will the oneness principle operate between molecular members and the new life? We didn't get much comment after the key words were discovered, but these words only take us half way to the truth. What is significant when we think of the key word "body?" The fact is that any life who manifests in the worlds of form needs a body to enter those worlds. Each of us has three bodies of form. The physical which includes the duplicate etheric body The astral or emotional body The mental body. You and I could not enter into, explore and Become in physical reality until there was prepared for us a body of manifestation. So what is the higher life above human? Answer: It is a molecular life currently living on the mental plane waiting for a physical body to manifest. What exactly is its body of manifestation? It's first body among humanity will be a molecule of 24 or twelve male/female units. Just as the goal of your seven major and 21 minor centers is to tune into the higher entity which is you even so will it be the goal of molecular members to tune into the greater entity when It comes. Concerning this greater molecular entity - it is an individual totally apart and independent from you. You have never been It and will not evolve into It just as the cells in your body have never been you and will never evolve into you. In fact all your cells die and are replaced by new cells periodically. Even so, if you are a part of the body of a molecular entity you are not this entity and can even be replaced and become a part of the body of another molecular entity while the first entity remains incarnated. If you remove yourself from an original molecular body and move to a second body it should be obvious reasoning that you are not becoming the first entity. The point I'm making here is that each entity is independent within its own sphere. It is dependent for life on the wholeness of it's body but not the individual parts. Individual parts can move from one body to another and the original body can remain unaffected as long as the parts are replaced. To prepare a body of manifestation for a higher entity what must be done? We have already discussed in detail that such a body will be composed of twenty-four male/females. But that alone will not make a living body. Unless there is a link made with the Brotherhood of Light we have the equivalent of a stillborn baby. There is a body but it cannot contain a spirit. The connecting link with the brotherhood corresponds to the umbilical cord of a human baby. With no such cord providing the life giving blood there can be no living birth. If we create a body and the Brotherhood gives life through the spiritual umbilical cord then the final step will occur. Incarnation. An actual entity will incarnate and each of the twenty-four will be units in it's body. This is what happened 2000 years ago on the day of Pentecost when flames of fire appeared on the heads of the apostles. An entity incarnated and the disciples were the various parts of its body. This entity had different qualities other than human and because the disciples were a part of its body they were able to use these higher and unique assets of the higher life. Question: When you reach a point where you reach relative perfection will your progression come to a standstill or is continual evolution somehow linked to a higher life? If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis? Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11943 From: "Xavier Dolleans" Subject: Re: (OT) More on AUM and OM "How is it supposed to be pronounced?" "When JJ introduced it, into the song, he used both OM (between verses) and AUM (at the end)followed by doing each sound alone. A sounds like the A in All U sounds like the oo in cool M sounds yummy (like chocolate, mmmmmm)" Hi! Rick says A in Aum is like the A of All. I say this A of all is O not A. This is the O of OM. BTW, they do pronounce it OUM don't they? I'm not aware of traditional practices or anything, but hey, how come O is written A then? Any opinion welcome. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11944 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: (OT) More on AUM and OM Xavier writes: "Rick says A in Aum is like the A of All. I say this A of all is O not A. This is the O of OM. BTW, they do pronounce it OUM don't they?" Well, if I read 'All' like it was a Finnish word, then the first 'A' would sound like the 'A' in farce, but if I say 'All' as an English word then it sounds like the 'O' in force (like you all didn't know this already:) Just by sensing the vibrational difference of the two, the first way of saying it (aum) resonates more with the higher chakras, and the latter (oum) is much more 'rootsy', but they are both very profound and penetrating. How do you others feel the difference in the pronunciation? Love and multi-linguistic diversity, Samu _______________ Samu Karlsson eMail: samu3@dlc.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 Just remember not to forget and you'll be fine... but you already know this, don't you? Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11945 From: Marylin Subject: Re: comments & permissions & understanding John Kosior writes: "I grant to ALL, my full blessing in whatever they might decide to do, or not do, with anything that I have written and posted. I completely lift any and all restriction from the use of any posted writing which I have sent, implied or expressed." "This is my declaration. I will not waiver from what I have declared, unless I do. For now though, this is a trustworthy declaration." "Does this declaration seem strange to anyone who is reading it? If you search your heart, do you think that you would, or would ever be able to make a similar declaration? Or would you even desire to? It can be an important question for your soul, or not. :)" Hi John If he had been asked, your declaration sounds like one Jesus would make. So how can we do any less? Over the last year or so, I have been asked, by a friend in Kentucky, for permission to use my emails to her and parts from my "life story" that I wrote. I gave her a "blanket permission" for the use of my words. My life story was never put on the net and thus never opened to the public in that way. But every word we enter in this "worldwide" forum is , by default, open to the public and subject to whatever is made of it. My friend was still told by her publisher that she had to have written permission to use anything that others said even if it was on the net. I see no sense in that. I would like to enter my name under yours on your declaration. Because of the "legal" nitpickyness it seems it has become a necessary/considerate thing to do. So much for the positive side. Noooooowwww! ! To any nitpicker............. Go to your womb. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11946 From: "Xavier Dolleans" Subject: Re: Higher Incarnation J J Dewey wrote: "Question: When you reach a point where you reach relative perfection will your progression come to a standstill or is continual evolution somehow linked to a higher life? If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis?" I find a pity that we don't talk more about these teachings now, but when I read your questions : "Question: Why is this knowledge so significant when we think of creating a molecule of 24? What are we creating and what will incarnate into it? Does this shed light on why the Apostles of Jesus had powers that were different from human? Was the new life that shall be manifest ever human? How will the oneness principle operate between molecular members and the new life?" I felt it was way over my head. Then you answered them and all was simple, like "where are the knots now?" I'm saying this to explain why I (and maybe we) don't answer much to your questions, it's not lack of interest, it's that it seems I cant answer the questions. I'm rereading the questions above and I felt dumb a minute lol-) What about trying to answer them now that I read your answers? I would do a little better, but not much ;-) lol okay, now to the new ones: "Question: When you reach a point where you reach relative perfection will your progression come to a standstill or is continual evolution somehow linked to a higher life? If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis?" no progression of any being ever comes to a standstill. Correction : when animals get an individual soul, they have to wait for the opportunity to reach the human kingdom, so it is a standstill someway. They do evolve, perfect themselves, but they can't make the next big step ahead until the door opens. Yes, it is linked to the higher life. Through association. Now I wonder. Is a human being, which is currently part of a Master (and is a Master a collection of humans btw?) is such a human being able to get out of that particular master and get to another one? Lol I guess s/he wont do it as a fancy, but ...is it possible? What is the consciousness of such a human being? Does he feel like my stomach feels towards me, or less, like a cell of it? Weird. "If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis?" Associating. Now wait a minute. Who am I? The human spirit that incarnated in this body? Well, will I always remain human? When I die and get reborn, what happens? what parts of consciousness get born again? I mean, the skeptic view of "there is no survivance" might be true, applicated to the personality. Let's assume I'm a human spirit. A particular unit of spirit. I incarnate in human bodies (only mine, rest assured lol) Only through association can I become (or rather participate to) a higher life. Okay, so the solar system never was a human being. The lives that compose him were separated humans like us, and they associated until becoming the body of a "solar logos". Now the question is : how come we are human spirits, I almost wrote "were created human spirits" but you say we had no beginning. How do certain units of spirit have the "size" of a human, others of a cell or atom, and others of a logos? What's this spirit stuff, what is it, what properties does this stuff have? Rick, manipulate this and give us a report lol;-) Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11947 From: "Xavier Dolleans" Subject: Re: (Brian) OT - New Age Love Brian (~B) Wrote: "I pretty much stay clear of her stuff if I can help it." "Oh no! I hear her anorexic warble starting again. Must run and find cover from radio......." "Brian (RWBH) Wrote: " As far as I'm concerned, when Celine opens her mouth, God comes out. I'm not sure why you would point out a passing reference to Celine with regard to me, but I 'm sure it makes sense to you." "John K wrote: Gee, I wonder where the confusion came from. Could it be so simple as there being more than one Brian on the List? True communication can be so much fun. Peace, John" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11948 From: "Anni West" Subject: Re: Higher Incarnation Hi keysters JJ wrote: "Concerning this greater molecular entity - it is an individual totally apart and independent from you. You have never been It and will not evolve into It just as the cells in your body have never been you and will never evolve into you. In fact all your cells die and are replaced by new cells periodically." Anni: I understand this - at least I think I do :-) But I still have a lot of questions: One thing is us - on the physical level. When we die (the way we do today) we leave our physical, astral and mental bodies behind little by little and rest in the formless worlds until our next human body is prepared and we can incarnate again. Right? If we or our higher self - in the formless worlds - want to incarnate into another line of evolution - let's say a deva incarnation - is that possible? Since we only have about 1000 lifetimes as humans we must be able to incarnate as other living things too? I still don't understand why my spirit could not have incarnated as an animal or another lower kind of life prior to my human incarnations and why it can not incarnate as an entity of a molecule at a later time (much later time :-)) )? Is my spirit forced to incarnate only in the human line of evolution for ever? What happens to the spirits of the animals then? Do they also form molecules - lol? Is it my current soul which is a human soul? Do souls evolve as well? I once learned that they evolve through our experiences as humans - will the souls of the people in a molecule also link together and unite? When a molecule is created it will be made of 12 atoms (24 humans) - will these 12 humans represent the 12 tribes of Israel? If each human belongs to a certain tribe - will there be one atom from each tribe present in the molecule? JJ: "Question: When you reach a point where you reach relative perfection will your progression come to a standstill or is continual evolution somehow linked to a higher life?" Anni: I will always evolve - as we know the first molecule will later unite with another molecule and together they will unite with another "double" molecule and.... etc. at least until we have a molecule of 144.000 I guess that will take a while - it is definitely enough for me to work on for now :-)) JJ: "If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis?" Anni: Scientists tell us that the Universe is still expanding (growing/evolving/becoming) so I guess there must be lots of possibilities to expand also as a molecule of 144.000. My imagination stops here though :-)) Sorry if I asked too many questions! Love to all of you Anni Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11949 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: (OT) More on AUM and OM Xavier says, "Hi! Rick says A in Aum is like the A of All. I say this A of all is O not A. This is the O of OM. BTW, they do pronounce it OUM don't they?" "I'm not aware of traditional practices or anything, but hey, how come O is written A then?" Rick has posted a reply to the "shoot the breeze" forum, complete with charts. The problem stems from the fact that we Americans have three ways of pronouncing the letter A. The A, in AUM is pronounced as the upside down A on my chart and also in the international phonetic alphabet, and that A is pronounced like a soft O. Rick -- ICQ # 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ The only really natural diet http://www.neanderthin.com have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:* I'm only in it for the thrill Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11950 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: Higher Incarnation J J Dewey wrote: "Question: When you reach a point where you reach relative perfection will your progression come to a standstill or is continual evolution somehow linked to a higher life? If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis?" I can't ever imagine not deciding to become. Growth and change are life. The first entity above "human" is the hydrogen-like entity, above that are all the other elements. Realizing that growth and change are an eternal principle it will help me to let go of all my preconceived notions of staying in my comfort zone of knowledge and experience and realize I will always be stretching and deciding to become. Susan Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11951 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: Turning Hearts "I really like the 'majority rules' concept put forward over and over from Thomas Jefferson. Perhaps for the first time in the history of the list, we" Realizing I'm nitpicking again, he also warned of the "Tyranny of the majority". This is when the fundamental rights of a minority are violated because everyone else has decided it's OK. A perfect example of this is the slavery of the black people in this country. Something I doubt he could have changed at that time. IIRC The Mormons also experienced this, and thus fled to what is now Utah. "majority rule" is all fine and wonderful, but we should always be wary of the possible abuses of power. This is part of the reason the Bill of Rights was drafted. To ensure that it would be very difficult to remove the rights of any group. To do so would open the door to remove them from you and require a Constitutional amendment in any case. Travis Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11952 From: RWBH Subject: Re: (Brian) OT - New Age Love Jennifer Hampson wrote: "Savage Garden - just one more great thing to come out of Australia. The music that goes with the lyrics is pretty good too." I did not know they were Aussies! Pleasant surprise. "Brian you're so fickle! First it's Liz Barrett-Browning, then Susan, and now some other sheila." First one's dead...second one's wed... Call me fickle, but I'm in a pickle And still very much by myself in bed! Actually, Liz is Forever. Susan was never anything but a fellow Keyster. The other one...well, let's just see how things are, by next Easter! "Glenys, RWBH Brian did mention Celine in one of his earliest posts. You're on the mark with that one but maybe you missed that "that's the way it is" is a line from one of her songs." Title in fact of her current airplay hit. I spent an entire nightlong dream with Celine some time ago, with the person, not the star, for what it's worth. A very beautiful soul. Now what would a person who sang a song titled "Immortality" have to do on this list, hey????? brian "I just channeled this Valentines Day Poem for you. Roses are red Violets are blue Here's a big kiss For the Keysters crew Jennifer" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11953 From: Rick Audette Subject: Out of the mouth of Babes and Bunnies Hi All, I was telling Rachel, on the way to school this morning, of the problem of explaining the different ways that Americans pronounce the soft "a" and gave examples, asking how she would describe the difference. I then started to explain how the A, in AUM uses the soft "a" which Europeans, who speak "Oxford" English, use and the other "a", which Americans use, in some words, is more nasal, etc. She said, ask them if they have ever heard of Bugs Bunny. Perfect! Bugs Bunny is an internationally known cartoon character. If you have seen it, untranslated, his catch phrase is, "aaaa, what's up Doc". The aaaa is the sound of the soft "a" that is NOT used to pronounce AUM. Kids, no wonder the Kingdom is theirs. Rick Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11954 From: Blayne Subject: Re: Hitler but a Foreshadowing of the Coming Beast Tyranny All I can say is wow! Great post Sterling when your right your right! Having been concerned with this area for years and in doing much study and pondering and receiving revelation on this theme. I can say that this read like a comprehensive index of many things revealed to me over the years in this area. I am sure you will draw fire here for this because of the scripture quoting etc. even though JJ does the same. But I would remind everyone you are free to run it by your soul preferably before judging or shooting the messenger or judging the message because of the messenger. I am forwarding this to my lists and a few others. Love Blayne Sterling D. Allan wrote: "The following Essay, "Hitler but a Foreshadowing of the Coming Beast Tyranny," in response to J.J. Dewey's post today called, "antichrist," is posted to http://www.greaterthings.com/Essays/Beast.htm ~~~~ "The more we get into this thing with J.J. saying Hitler was the fulfillment of the prophesied anti- Christ and saying that another is not coming for he has already come, the more I realize that herein lies a humongous difference between where J.J. is coming from and what I believe through painstaking research, experience, and following God's direction in my life's path." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11955 From: RWBH Subject: Re: (Brian) OT - New Age Love "Love Glenys (who found not one, but two Dion CD's in her collection - and Savage Garden, of course (they're not too bad for Aussies :-)))" Number One across the land according to music biz magazine Billboard until just this week has been Savage Garden's 'I Knew I Loved You'. Holding at Number Eleven is Celine Dion's 'That's the Way That It Is' ("my number is 11 as all those who are of us"/nu/star goddess/book of the law) At riding high at Number Forty-Six is "Sexual" by AMBER. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11956 From: Blayne Subject: Re: Antichrist Susan this applies within. only the "pure in heart" can truly do good. If you pour say 10 percent poison in pure water it contaminates the whole pool. So until one is 100% pure in heart they cannot bring forth good fruit that is why there is no Zion society etc. We are all evil based on this. The physical stuff we do is just superficial. It the symbolism of the temple as us we go there go to into different rooms of increasing light till we pierce the veil and become one with the source of all light till then our pools are all contaminated, all tables full of vomit, all have gone astray, the priest and the prophet etc. (Isaiah 28). All the so called good fruit is meaningless unless we have the pure love of Christ or charity as spoken of in Moroni 7: 44-end and 1st Cor. 13 none of it counts as good fruit. The 80/20 rule sounds good to the carnal mind but its a lie. This is rejected immediately because it makes us all feel as if we are no good but it is our nothingness before God we are supposed to acknowledge. Till then journey is to pierce the veil and stop being distracted by patting ourselves on the back at all the good were supposedly doing. For as Christ said why call ye me (or yourself or any other) good when there is none good but your father in heaven? Love Blayne susan carter wrote: "At the time this message was sent I was in church (it ran over a few minutes), marking a scripture to send to the list later today. I believe this is oneness at work yet again. Moroni 7:6-12 "For behold, God hath said a man being evil cannot do that which is good; for if he offereth a gift, or prayeth unto God, except he shall do it with real intent it profiteth him nothing...Wherefore, a man being evil cannot do that which is good; neither will he give a good gift. For behold, a bitter fountain cannot bring forth good water; neither can a good fountain bring forth bitter water; wherefore, a man being a servant of the devil cannot follow Christ; and if he follow Christ he cannot be a servant of the devil. Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil..." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11957 From: Blayne Subject: Re: Turning Hearts J J Dewey wrote: "For instance he throws out Mormon prophecies that deal with the Mormons and links them to Bible prophecies that do not deal with the Mormons." The big secret is they do apply to us, all of them, the patterns are eternal and repeat themselves and on a different level of understanding all the scriptures do apply to us and our lives, not some other people some other time some other place. This is the classic Christian/Mormon et al cry " its never us, never here, never now", While he names and places may have historical significance they are allegorical at this level but as you are fond of saying they are taken too literally. Thus we do stumble not realizing they were written for us and to us and about us! Love Blayne Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11958 From: Blayne Subject: Re: Turning Hearts Then why can't any of you allow a contrary opinion without an endless tirade of post denouncing it? If no one responded it would be one post. Why do you let Sterling control you by reacting to his posts? Why can't a differing opinion be noted and moved on from? Its not Sterling who brings the focus its the 300 posts following his posts that bring the focus to his posts. You only prove not one contrary word can be said on this list without a certain group of people here getting upset and sending a stream of posts denouncing it, thereby bringing the focus to it that you decry so much? I am not saying this in defense of anyone just pointing out the obvious. Love Blayne * Zia wrote: "And very well said Glenys... you know if a man keeps throwing himself overboard, do we keep striving to save him, and bring him back into the boat so he may live, or do we finally allow him to stay overboard, and not sink our ship, so we can go on to our chosen destination." Glenys wrote: "I have noticed that when people's arguments are weak, they often resort to misrepresenting the views of those with whom they are arguing in order to give their own views the appearance of being more reasonable, more learned etc." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11959 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: Antichrist The fruit is determined by the seed. When the seed or intent is pure or we have experienced soul contact then the fruit is good and not vomit. Because I have not achieved the pure love of Christ I cannot do this 100% of the time but I can do it sometimes. So while I agree with you to a point, that we need to be striving for the ultimate, it will not stop me from those blissful moments when I CAN achieve this. Because I can't always do it does not negate when I do; that is growth, progression, line upon line etc etc. Your description is too black or white for me and too discouraging. I choose to believe I can help another along their path in spite of my relative imperfections. Susan Blayne wrote: "Susan this applies within. only the "pure in heart" can truly do good. If you pour say 10 percent poison in pure water it contaminates the whole pool. So until one is 100% pure in heart they cannot bring forth good fruit" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11960 From: "Sterling D. Allan" Subject: Democracy This comment, also quoting Jefferson, comes from a friend. From: "Randall Shortridge" Subject: Re: [Greater_Things] Hitler but a Foreshadowing of the Coming Beast Tyranny "Sterling D. Allan" wrote: "snipped from a long post about Hitler, Communism, democracy, JJ, etc.... "One of the greatest deceptions that the global conspirators have pulled off is the notion that "communism is dead," that it failed, that "democracy" has proven superior. The fall of the Berlin Wall, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, are seen as the crumbling of communism." Sterling. Yes, I too am prone to cringe whenever I hear the tired old refrain that "... we must make the world safe for democracy." The founding fathers abhorred democracy as one of the many forms of totalitarianism. Jefferson said that "democracy is the last step to despotism." Witness that under "democracy" that slavery is ok if the majority agree on it. Alas, the cultural cartel has brainwashed us into thinking that democracy is our goal, when in reality it represents chains to bind us. Hitler was one of many anti-Christs. He is gone now, isn't he? But we do now in the present moment find ourselves a free and Christian people? Has the danger passed? Can we expect the danger to ever pass? It is interesting how things got so turned upside down. The founding fathers said that God endowed men with rights that are inalienable (cannot be taken away). So, man sets up government to protect these inalienable rights. The order here is obvious... God --> man --> government. Today it is inverted. Democracy precludes inalienable rights, doesn't it? The opinion makers now speak of "human-rights" rather than the founders "inalienable-rights". God is thrown out of the equation and today it operates in an inverted manner with government being supreme to the men who created it. It is now government that rules supreme over man: Government --> man. Government is portrayed as the (so-called) wise majority, but it is really a few individuals who control the opinions of the majority. Alas! Yes, proponents of democracy are enemies of liberty, whether they know it or not. Randall Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11961 From: "Darian & B.J." Subject: OT - New Age Love, homo love? I have always been very anti-homosexual. Am I wrong? Loved this song also, until I found out the singer (boy) is in love with the guitar player (also boy) kind of ruins the song for me. If anyone out there KNOWS for sure they are not gay I would appreciate the info, so I may think of different things when I hear the song. And no I am not homophobic, I do not have an irrational fear of gays, I just think it is wrong, don't hate them, and not afraid. (I just hate the thought of anal sex and that is what comes to my mind) uck! I realize this will open a lot of discussion, at least I hope so. BJ "RWBH" wrote: "New Age Love. I have never heard or experienced a more beautiful New Age Love song than this one;" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11962 From: John Kosior Subject: (Brian) OT - New Age Love RWBH wrote: 'Holding at Number Eleven is Celine Dion's 'That's the Way That It Is' ("my number is 11 as all those who are of us"/nu/star goddess/book of the law)" Hey Brian, You'll probably not like what I have to say, unless you do, but I'm going to say it anyway. In the past you have ascribed to yourself "The Book of The Law". And whether you wrote it, channeled it, dictated it, believed it, or merely associate with it, it really doesn't matter. You've brought it up enough that it bears enough weight to be considered. I hope I don't lose the quote here, but I believe you've alluded to "The whole of the law is/will be Love. Love under Will". Then here you make mention of the number eleven. That's interesting. Mind you that I would not assume to know what exactly this means to you, so if you hear my thoughts, you'd do well to hear them "generically", and not necessarily directed to you. Whenever I hear that Love is under Will, or that God lives by a set of rules, I kind of chuckle. Because as I have heard before, if God lived by a set of rules, the RULES would be God. Rather, God IS the RULE. Very different understanding. And likewise, if Love is under Will, then we might just start calling the name of God, Will, and not Love. I submit to you here that Will does have a very high place in the Life Chain, and it's just one notch below Love, and not above it. Indeed, there are no "notches", but for our "linear" understanding, it is the best way I can describe this status. But why do I suppose that this distinction is even worthy of these blips on the screen? I mean, really, aren't we just saying the same thing, just in another way? Or, isn't this just another one of those dreaded "interpretations" we keep hearing about? No, I don't think it is. But perhaps you would walk with me, and consider some images which might prove illuminating, unless they're not. Suppose I were to give you a bottle, filled with ten ounces of your favorite beverage. And suppose I told you that ten ounces was the absolute capacity of the bottle. Then you go happily along your path, carrying with you your ten ounce bottle, filled with ten ounces of that beverage. But then, at some point along your path, someone comes along and tells you, no, your bottle will hold more than ten ounces, I can show you how you may squeeze eleven ounces into your bottle, and that will be better. And let's say that you believe it. So you're given a formula, and some technology, and maybe a few incantations, all of which makes it possible to squeeze that one extra ounce into your bottle. And it WORKS! Yippee! Everything is Good. But then one day, you decide that you will take a trip. And you decide that you will travel to a high mountain. So you take your little desert elevation self, and along with your bottle, you head to Colorado. Ahhh, you think, I will carry my bottle of my favorite beverage up the mountain, and there I will open it up, and will drink until I am satisfied. Hey, there's nothing wrong with that. Who wouldn't want to sit on the mountain top and drink of their favorite beverage. So you set off up the mountain. And as you go along, up up up, you start to notice that it's a little harder to get the oxygen that you're used to. And you remember that that is because the air is "thinner" up there. Actually, there just isn't as much of it, because there is so much less "Pressure" in higher elevations to compress the air molecules together. But still you press on, looking forward to that awesome prize of drinking from your bottle on the mountain top. And then you see it. Just ahead, just twenty more feet and you will have arrived, you and your bottle. So you take a much needed breather and pull out the bottle to admire all of its eleven ounces. But, as I'm sure you've already guessed it, a terrible thing takes place. As you lift the bottle from your satchel and are just about to open it, the bottle explodes in your hands. And you know in that instance that the same decrease in atmospheric pressure that caused you to labor in your breathing has also had an effect on your ten ounce bottle. And you realize that it was only the high atmospheric pressure in the desert, pressing in on your bottle which kept the bottle from exploding sooner, after you squeezed in that one extra ounce. And too, you realize that it is too late on this go around to enjoy the "prize", and that you will have to descend once more to the lower elevation, and start all over again with a new bottle, filled again with just the ten ounces for which it was designed. And then perhaps to make the journey upwards once again. That is, if you have the Will. But of course, if you do not have the Will, you can be assured that Love Will find a Way. Then Love Will carry that Way to its completion, unless it doesn't. Now you might still say that Love is under Will. But I say that if you try to squeeze Love INTO Will, IOW Love is OF Will, and not the other way around, you may be able to carry that bottle around down here, but the minute you take that crammed up Will up in elevation, it Will, your Will, will explode. And once that bottle is broken, there is no saving its contents. Both the bottle and its contents will be wasted. On the other hand, if you would take the ten ounce bottle, with its ten ounce content up that same mountain, and if you were then to drink it all, you might find that your ten ounce bottle Will expand, not to eleven ounces, but to Twelve. And be filled once again, not of Will, but of Love. Then will the Will be willing to Love. Never to be forced down the mountain again. But elevated from that place, to another level of even higher mountains. Unless of course someone comes along telling you to try for thirteen. :) Sit down, Crowley. Love has arrived. :) Peace, John Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11963 From: Lorraine Brutsman Subject: higher incarnates JJ, Everything you tell me rings so true in my soul but it just blows my mind. I can't even think. And all the other keysters who are talking during class, please take your discussion to the cafeteria that Mark made. thanks, Lorraine Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11964 From: "Craig Brown" Subject: Re: Digest No. 2000-02-12 of The Keys of Knowledge List Marylin writes: "Does it really matter, at this particular time, that we know if we were in the mineral, plant or animal kingdoms at one time? Would knowing this be of help to us in our present "quest"? Dear Marylin and all, You express a thought echoing my own. In high energy particle physics, the states of energy are inter-converted according to conservation and selection rules, but no particular state of energy is really all that important. As it is there, so it is in all things. All that differs is the energy/timescales at which the processes we experience occur relative to our perception thereof . To me, it is the process that is important, not the names of the stops along the way. Craig B. (3rdeye) Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11965 From: "Darian & B.J." Subject: Fw: Medical privacy/Stop Big Brother! Our medical privacy is going to be lost unless we act now. We have until February 17, 2000 to tell the politicians and bureaucrats in Washington what we think. Please go to http://www.StopBigBrother.org to learn more about it and to help out. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11966 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: OT - New Age Love, homo love? Perhaps this discussion belongs at the "shoot the breeze" forum. I believe you are new to this list relatively and may not have been aware that we TRY to keep this list on JJ Dewey's classroom topics. Welcome and hope you enjoy your stay with us. Here's the URL http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/50816 Darian & B.J. wrote: "I have always been very anti-homosexual." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11967 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: (Brian) OT - New Age Love Boy, John. You are GOOD. This was another of your wonderful posts. Your analogies express your points really well. You paint word pictures I can easily understand. Many thanks Diane John K wrote: "On the other hand, if you would take the ten ounce bottle, with its ten ounce content up that same mountain,..." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11968 From: "Sterling D. Allan" Subject: Temple Door to the East Yesterday I had a thought hit me. The LDS temples are built so that the main entrance faces East, and it is not used, but is reserved for the coming of Christ, as the scriptures say he appears from the East like the rising sun. It's kind of like the Jewish Passover in which they leave a seat empty for Elijah. Anyway, I got to thinking about how our bodies are the temple of God. Then in thinking about what this East symbolizes on that level, it wasn't hard to realize it could have to do with the role that Eastern wisdom will play in the latter-days in helping us come into the presence of God. Sterling Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11969 From: J J Dewey Subject: Rolling Waters Blayne writes: "If you pour say 10 percent poison in pure water it contaminates the whole pool. So until one is 100% pure in heart they cannot bring forth good fruit that is why there is no Zion society etc. We are all evil based on this." JJ This would be true if we are in a stagnate condition as still water is, but remember the words of the scripture: "How long can rolling waters remain impure?" D&C 121:33 If there is an attempt to pollute a working disciple the impurities will be washed away with good works, love and the cleansing activity of the Holy Spirit. It is a false principle to wait until you attain purity in the still test tube before the building of the kingdom of God is attempted. Purity is a natural thing when one becomes a point of moving loving force within the fiery will of God. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11970 From: "Sterling D. Allan" Subject: Re: Antichrist "susan carter" writes "Because I can't always do it does not negate when I do; that is growth, progression, line upon line etc etc. Your description is too black or white for me and too discouraging. I choose to believe I can help another along their path in spite of my relative imperfections. Susan" That is the beauty of the gospel of Jesus Christ. When we abide in the vine, He abides in us, and though we may not be perfect, he is, and his purity overshadows our imperfection. There is no need to feel inadequate when God is with us. It is when we deviate from that indwelling that our purity wanes, but there really is no excuse for such departures, for the only requisite for abiding in the vine is pressing forward as a little child, feasting upon the words of Christ -- a requirement that any can meet no matter what their circumstances. Sterling Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11971 From: "Darian & B.J." Subject: homosexual love? not OT Susan and other Keys, I went outside and did my chores and thought, pondered your response to my post. I do not have a hard time with crossing sexes as I have many times wondered why I am SO masculine, ask Blayne or Pablo, as they have met me. I like men, ALOT! All of them, as friends, and helpers etc...but I really have a problem with my own masculinity, or I should say did. I do not like women at all, at least in general, in groups etc...I find them to be back biting, catty, but I have a few women friends who are more like me. They in general do not like women either. But on the other hand I am VERY feminine, cook, clean, curvey, I enjoy being a woman, and am hordcore hetrasexual. But the things I like to do best are generally considered to be masculine things. OK to my point of my response, the result of my pondering your post. These thoughts came to mind. I really think this does have to do with JJ's teachings and in NOT off topic. "IF" we switch every 7 lives, which would explain me, We should be TRUE TO OURSELFS, which is what gender we are at this life. Stick to the opposite sex, IMO, is being true to ourself. Any comments would be appreciated. Thank You BJ Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11972 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Antichrist I think that JJ's tactic to spend the time to explain that the Anti-Christ is NOT one individual or particlular personality, but an authoritative pervasive control-mechanism; which was prevalent in Jesu's day and is still prevalent; was very ingenious. As, it lays the groundwork necessary to understand the 'nature of the beast'; as well as the SCOPE and magnitude of it's dominion over mankind. However, I feel that if one[disciple] comes to understand the ultimate goal/motive that this adversarial force has in mind; then it is easier to see the workings of the Beast and the necessity and urgency of practicing vigilance....if not out-right 'war' with this force. My interpretation at this time: I. As, JJ, said, the Mind of God is that "which is becoming what it decides to become". II. Throughout the unfoldment of the cosmos/logos...there have been those[points of decision] who aligned with Divine Purpose and those who opposed it; in favour of selfish free- will/individualism[defiance of the ONENESS principle]. III. Hierarchies were established is accordance with the 2 opposing plans/orders; and points of decision took sides within each hierarchy. IV. At some point..it became known that the opposition/adversarial Hierarchy wished to depose the Divine Hierarchy/Plan/Order[due to fear of annihilation & to ensure sovreignty for themselves/order]. V. At some point... the Higher realms of the Divine Hierarchy revealed the plan[revelated from Source] that the lowly human form on miserable planet Earth within the Milky Way galaxy was to be the Divine vehicle in the worlds of form..of which, the Ancient of Days, Joshua-Jesu kept secret until Jesu's first coming and demonstration[ for the whole cosmos] of this miraculous achievement. VI. Out & out WAR has resulted due to this revealment..as those that have enslaved humanity do not wish to release their domain and dominion over the human species and some[yes,...Angelic and free-will hierarchy are very jealous and down-right angry about it]. Adversarial Plans have been indoctrinated to PREVENT this unfoldment even if it means total annihilation of the species. VII. Down to Earth: The Adversarial Plan, I believe, had/has a two-tier agenda; of which; Hitler was a propenent; and his tentacles are still attempting to bring to fruition: Plan A: Complete/Partial annihilation of the species..so that their order can re-constitute the remaining members of the species through genetic engineering/cloning to their idea of perfection. This would be a species with emphasis on the perfection of the physical body; as opposed to the spiritual/intuitive aspects of humanity...and of course cognitive intelligence/psychic abilities as opposed to emotional/subjective abilities. Plan B: Gradual reconstitution and brain/washing/mind-control to assimilate the species into accepting genetic engineering/manipulation above and before spiritual evolvement. [Although disquised as Spiritual evolvement]. In my opinion, they seem to be moving into Plan B...as Plan A has been thwarted by the true Brotherhood. VIII. Now, the New Age movement was PURE in its intentions at the outset of its initiating stages[Alice Baily, United Nations..etc,]. However, this movement; which was powerful in its precepts; has been over-run/infiltrated with adversarial energies. Just as Jesu's teachings...Joseph Smith's teachings..and countless others...etc. The tentacles of the Anti-Christ have infiltrated every pure teaching/group/ precepts to date. EXCEPT..for JJ's writings..and US individually and others within their souls; which are the purest source of knowledge on the planet. As, JJ said, the purity starts with US and then we glean the truth from there. IX. The only way to ensure the advent of 'The Christ' is the principles that JJ is teachings and WE are each revelating/intuitive within our own souls. To enhance understanding of why the genetic engineering agenda is relevant...see the movie, "Gattica"...which says everything that I am trying to say here. Judes Post No. keys-1: /2000-02-14/11973 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: homosexual love? not OT Perhaps I have misunderstood. My understanding on topic was what the teacher chose to talk about and off topic was what we chose to talk about. Questions we ask of the teacher and he chooses to answer are also on topic. Asking keysters in general their opinion IMHO is off topic. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. Rick seems to be concerned that we are getting plugged up here again. My answer is at http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/50816 Susan :) Darian & B.J. wrote: "(PS send messages in plain text form only...html doesn't work)" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11974 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Turning Hearts Zia: "No one wins a debate, no one wins an argument. The great winner is the one that gets on with their life and their chosen goals, and attains. I for one Glenys, find no solace in the fact that we are distracted yet again." Judes: Yes, glad to see that you seem to have recovered Zia...and are back with us. I did want to say though, that I have too pondered why JJ is so patient with Sterling and others with similar stances that distracted from the his teaching agenda time and time again[by reading the archives]. And..it has become obvious to me that JJ is showing us how to respond[maybe not necessarily what he says..but the patience involved] when we are attacked or questioned if we are leading a synthesis group or are teaching others. So, in that respect these side-tracks are very useful....and also the lesson that NO ONE is not "too precious" in his eyes[God's Kingdom]. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11975 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Fw: Freedom to express Freedom to express also includes the discernment of where and how one's energies[writings] are utilized and posted. Sorry..John and Zia..I got both your points..but you stopped short of the freedom of the writer to use their truths/writings for what purpose and to what end they choose. And THAT is where the decision and respect should lie. If Sterling post writings of others in an environment which is based on a controversial nature or leaves the writer in a position where they must defend their propositions..the writer has the preference of wanting to be part of that environment[# 1] and whether they want to defend their propositions in that environment[# 2]. So the decision should lie with the writer in respect for their wishes WHATEVER they may be. Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11976 From: RWBH Subject: Re: OT - New Age Love, homo love? Uh...maybe the BJ there might be telling you something...LOL. Seriously, I myself am not the least bit homosexual. I cannot comprehend a sexual attraction to a male biological unit. However, one real live aspect of the Aqurian Age energy is polarity reversal. You see it plainly in the manifestation of women asserting their masculine side more in contemporary society. I am no fan of political Feminism. But it's outrageous to me to deny women equality and empowerment long denied them by the oppressive side of unrighteous patriarchy. Each of us is the combination of masculine and feminine energy. We experience a greater wholeness when we can experience and express BOTH of our own natures. So, while I personally cannot fathom sexual attraction between one male and another on a physical biological (= duality) level, I can understand how one male can 'fall in love' with the feminine aspect of another male. I guess in the case of Savage Garden, it ends up being male to male homosexuality. A beautiful love song is a beautiful love song. Make of it what you want. Surely the song when you hear it connects you to your own 'beloved', which makes is hetrosexual, if that is what you are. I love Elton John's music, I don't hear it as gay music, even though politically, I am not pro-gay. I believe in 'love' in that it transcends the normal everyday consciousness of work eat breed sleep. If the New Age offers anything to me, personally, it is freedom from the restraints imposed upon me from biological, political, financial, religious, societal ad infinitum restrictios, telling me what and who I am, and what I can and cannot do. I think we should penetrate to the core of our own being, find that eternal spark of divinity, and manifest it in our lives as much as possible. In so doing, we will hopefully express ourselves beyond the expectations of 'normality'. Some expressions I can fathom; others I cannot. That's just me, I guess. I said I cannot fathom homosexuality i.e. a male sexually attracted to other males. However, some males enjoy the experience of their own feminine nature by cross dressing, for example. And for the moment, I'm speaking exclusively of those who are nonetheless heterosexual. This is something I personally have never had an issue with. My female boss comes to work looking more like a man in her stylish contemporary suit. I see only a person expressing her more masculine aspects; she still looks pretty 'good' to me, as a heterosexual myself LOL. However, it's not as easy for a fellow male employee to come to work in a skirt; so male equality in cross gender expression is lagging behind. Why should this be? We are more than meat puppets, and I think realizing this is crucial in any serious New Age or Aquarian Age self expression. We are spirits in a material body / world. Why do we have to wear some sickening mental chastity belt the 'world' wants us to wear? Hey...nobody's more masculine than a crew of rowdy Scotsmen...all decked out in their girly kilts...just don't let them hear you say that LOL. It's not what you wear It's not your hair It's what you dare. Finally, as for your repulsion to anal sex = homosexuality. It's a pretty common practice amongst heterosexual couples as well, for better or worse, so it shouldn't taint your enjoyment of such a beautiful love song as I Knew I Loved You any more than one by, say, Mormon boy Donny Osmond. brian "Darian & B.J." wrote: "I have always been very anti-homosexual." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11977 From: RWBH Subject: Re: Higher Incarnation J J Dewey wrote "This is what happened 2000 years ago on the day of Pentecost when flames of fire appeared on the heads of the apostles. An entity incarnated and the disciples were the various parts of its body." RWBH wrote: "Wasn't this entity the Holy Spirit?" JJ: "Question: When you reach a point where you reach relative perfection will your progression come to a standstill or is continual evolution somehow linked to a higher life? If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis?" RWBH "Will your progression come to a standstill? Only if you make that choice and back it up with the appropriate actions/ inactions. "If we go from twosome Atomic Unity...to 24 MollecularUnity...perhaps the next move up is for the mollecules to organize into 24+ Crystals...which the gods wear to adorn themselves for the Big Dance at the Starry Palace. So what is UNITY for moi? U N I T Y = Y NUIT! or Y IT NU!" brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11978 From: Blayne Subject: Re: Rolling Waters Rolling waters will never remain pure if you keep dumping poison in them. I am not against the building the kingdom of God but everyone is working on stone and wood when the building is you. The Kingdom is within until built there it will never manifest without. Which is why we only have one instance we know of where it was manifest outwardly which was the city of Enoch. J J Dewey wrote: "Blayne writes: "If you pour say 10 percent poison in pure water it contaminates the whole pool. So until one is 100% pure in heart they cannot bring forth good fruit that is why there is no Zion society etc. We are all evil based on this." "JJ: "This would be true if we are in a stagnate condition as still water is, but remember the words of the scripture: "How long can rolling waters remain impure?" D&C 121:33 'If there is an attempt to pollute a working disciple the impurities will be washed away with good works, love and the cleansing activity of the Holy Spirit. "It is a false principle to wait until you attain purity in the still test tube before the building of the kingdom of God is attempted. Purity is a natural thing when one becomes a point of moving loving force within the fiery will of God." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11979 From: RWBH Subject: Re: (Brian) OT - New Age Love John K wrote: "RWBH wrote: "Holding at Number Eleven is Celine Dion's 'That's the Way That It Is' ("my number is 11 as all those who are of us"/nu/star goddess/book of the law)" "Hey Brian, You'll probably not like what I have to say, unless you do, but I'm going to say it anyway." Good 4U. Do what thou Wilt. "In the past you have ascribed to yourself "The Book of The Law". And whether you wrote it, channeled it, dictated it, believed it, or merely associate with it, it really doesn't matter. You've brought it up enough that it bears enough weight to be considered." K. "I hope I don't lose the quote here, but I believe you've alluded to "The whole of the law is/will be Love. Love under Will". Then here you make mention of the number eleven. That's interesting. Mind you that I would not assume to know what exactly this means to you, so if you hear my thoughts, you'd do well to hear them "generically", and not necessarily directed to you." The eleven thing is a mere quote from what Nuit, the star goddess, herself declared. "Whenever I hear that Love is under Will, or that God lives by a set of rules, I kind of chuckle." You can chuckle, if that's your understanding. I, on the other hand, might think of the Jesus praying so hard in the Garden of Gethsemane that he bled in contemplation of laying down his own perfectly innocent and holy life, in total surrender to something he called "Thy WILL be done". God's WILL led LOVE to a tortured Cross. How's that work??? Will has nothing to do with God? Hmmmm. "But why do I suppose that this distinction is even worthy of these blips on the screen? I mean, really, aren't we just saying the same thing, just in another way? Or, isn't this just another one of those dreaded "interpretations" we keep hearing about? No, I don't think it is." To me, "Love is the Law. Love under Will" is about the same thing as saying: Love, yes. But don't let your heart control your head. Not exactly, but close. Of course, fully expressed, the 'head' would mean one's own 'godhead'. "Sit down, Crowley. Love has arrived. :)" PLEASE! For the very last time...I AM NOT CROWLEY!!! He just took dictation. Ultimately, I AM Atum. And regarding your Mountain Top Pop Stop...hey, I own the fricking bottling plant, what do I care???? brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11980 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Higher Incarnation "Question: When you reach a point where you reach relative perfection will your progression come to a standstill or is continual evolution somehow linked to a higher life? If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis?" Tough question! I'll look forward to the answer, but will offer what I have been told or read. The Human life form reaches relative perfection and then to go higher still must become a part of a higher class room, which some call the 13th school. He participates in higher lessons, before actually becoming a higher life form himself. He cannot become this higher form, as long as this universe is in existence. Here comes the tricky part. Before God created this universe, there was nothing manifested. No 7 planes, no time, no space, no soul, but the essence of what we and everything else is, was with God. When God created everything, some of the essence went into animating the forms on each plane. Ours went to the Human. BUT, this is not the first, last or only universe that God makes. Because time ceases, between each universe, I can't say that one proceeds or follows another, so will say that things happen in another or perhaps alternative universe which may even be simultaneous with the one we are now in. Such are the limitations of talking of this in a 3D medium. Anyway, the life essence that makes up humans, in another universe, makes up other life forms and has a turn as each form, in each different universe. This is called, by some, the Progression of the Life Waves. Since all manifestation ceases between universes and the only part of us that is common to all of them is our God essence, we can say, within our own universe, that we never were an animal life form, or any other form for that matter. Our God self can pass from one universe to the next and, if I remember correctly, I think JJ has said that the Eye at the top of the pyramid of New Jerusalem is a portal between alternate universes. If individual lives do not master their form in this universe, then they have to start over again in another as the same life form they were in this one. That's what happens to the Dark brothers that become black holes. Ok, that's enough of my theory. I could elaborate, but let's see how close I came to what's being taught here, first. Way out there, Rick Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11981 From: RWBH Subject: Re: OT - New Age Love, homo love? susan carter wrote: "Perhaps this discussion belongs at the "shoot the breeze" forum. I believe you are new to this list relatively and may not have been aware that we TRY to keep this list on JJ Dewey's classroom topics." You are right in directing this discussion to the cafeteria; at least on the surface. But, you know, one core element of the JJ teachings here is Unity and the molecular thing. Now, Sterling could elucidate this better than I, perhaps; but, sooner or later, we will have to get around to discussing the ways in which atoms BOND to make molecules i.e. covalent etc etc. Maybe homosexuality and this sort of thing IS on topic, after all, since without a bond, there is no molecule. brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-15/11982 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Turning Hearts Actually, when you think about it, most of the group does ignore Sterling now, compared to before. Yesterday's comments were mainly due to his either consciously or unconsciously misrepresenting JJ's views. That's what moved me to write, not his ideas as such. From memory, only JJ and Zia along with myself commented on his post yesterday. That's hardly 300 :-) Love Glenys Blayne wrote: "Then why can't any of you allow a contrary opinion without an endless tirade of post denouncing it?" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Out beyond all right-doing and wrong-doing there is a field. I'll meet you there. ~ Rumi Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11983 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: (Brian) OT - New Age Love Well darn, here I go, thinking again. I said I was going to concentrate on my work today and not do this, but John K. posts always speak to me in a special way. John I didn't follow this Crowley thing much, but I can tell you that the statement in question is Ancient and Crowley borrowed it from the Brotherhood. It actually states, "Do what thou Wilt is the Whole of the Law. Love is the Supreme Law, Love Under Will." If you go back to JJ's first, and second post in the Molecular series and follow it through it begins with Purpose, or the Will of God, which vibrates like a guitar string and in turn brings forth, Love, and Light. The Will referred to in the above statement is synonymous with the Purpose in JJ's Molecular Posts. So it's referring to the original Purpose of God of which Love is brought into manifestation as a natural by product. This is the Higher Will, and as we say "Thy Will Be Done! It isn't the willfulness that we attribute to our human condition. Do what thou wilt, is the whole of the Law means to do the Will of God. Gods Will is Love! Once we become one with this Will there is nothing beyond our capabilities because God does through us, and the natural by product of Gods Fiery Will flowing through us is Love, and Light. This beautiful statement is One of the Jewels that have been cast among Swine. It has been debased and those of lesser understanding have used it as an excuse to do anything they wanted. The one thing that they don't take into account is under either circumstance the Karma which accompanies an act of Will, or will. The result of One is Grace, the other karma. As anything else this statement can be interpreted on numerous levels, and as in all our choices can lead us to a Higher Understanding of our Decisions, and Actions, or be used as an excuse for Perversity. This is the contrast between the Lodges of Darkness, and the Lodges of Light Teachings. Apparently this is something you have given great thought too, and I knew if anyone could understand its Higher Meaning it would be you. I dug through my notes and found this dated Tuesday 7-23-91. On this date while in deep contemplation on this very subject I received the following. "Love is the Supreme Law, Love Under Will. Pure will unassuaged of Purpose is in every way Divine. In the Heart of he who consciously knows this is awakened the Spirit of the Sublime in All Things. And with this Key unlocks the Great Mystery, entering into the University of Nature, and in one with the Creator in All Things." End John I thought you might appreciate this too: Law - Key - Seed The consciousness of God is Life, but is it so much more than this. It is also Love, and Power. Of all the attributes of this Mysterious Consciousness, the greatest is that of Love. For Love is Creative, as well as Protective, and it is Inspiring and Illuminating. Therefore it is Life, and Light. If Mankind will only consider itself as the Light, of the Life, in the Love of God, within themselves, they will come to understand their own relationship to God so much better. End: I desire only to live the common life, in an uncommon way. My Life is a Precious, and Miraculous Gift, a Mystical Magical Voyage into an Infinite Ocean of Possibility, through a Myriad of Ever Changing Forms, of which I enjoy, and celebrate every Moment of the experience. Whisperings of Self! May the Force be with You, My Friend In Light, Love, and Power Your Friend, John W. Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11984 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Higher Incarnation Xavier: "Now the question is : how come we are human spirits?" Judes: JJ...I would like this answered too. why are some atoms...some animals?and then some humans...and then some masters...etc. etc.??? Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11985 From: RWBH Subject: Re: RE: (Brian) OT - New Age Love John Wayne Kline wrote: "John I didn't follow this Crowley thing much, but I can tell you that the statement in question is Ancient and Crowley borrowed it from the Brotherhood. It actually states, "Do what thou Wilt is the Whole of the Law. Love is the Supreme Law, Love Under Will." Hey, can we wake up here? Crowley wrote the words down like a steno. The words came from one of the spiritual entities speaking THROUGH Crowley. Did Joseph Smith 'write' the Doctrine and Covenants? NO. Jesus Christ did. Same thing here. Maybe...just maybe...it will become crystal clear that the 'entities' who DID write the book of the law...maybe ARE IN THE GREAT WHITE BROTHERHOOD! DUH. "If you go back to JJ's first, and second post in the Molecular series and follow it through it begins with Purpose, or the Will of God, which vibrates like a guitar string and in turn brings forth, Love, and Light. The Will referred to in the above statement is synonymous with the Purpose in JJ's Molecular Posts. So it's referring to the original Purpose of God of which Love is brought into manifestation as a natural by product. This is the Higher Will, and as we say "Thy Will Be Done! It isn't the willfulness that we attribute to our human condition. Do what thou wilt, is the whole of the Law means to do the Will of God. Gods Will is Love! Once we become one with this Will there is nothing beyond our capabilities because God does through us, and the natural by product of Gods Fiery Will flowing through us is Love, and Light." Amen. Amen-Ra. "As anything else this statement can be interpreted on numerous levels, and as in all our choices can lead us to a Higher Understanding of our Decisions, and Actions, or be used as an excuse for Perversity. This is the contrast between the Lodges of Darkness, and the Lodges of Light Teachings." The Book of the Law was sent down to earth from Lodges of Light realms. If the lodges of darkness have taken it over...whose fault is it? At least they realize its power and dimension. "A "Love is the Supreme Law, Love Under Will. Pure will unassuaged of Purpose is in every way Divine." Compare this to: "Let it be that of manyhood bound and loathing. So with thy all; thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that , and no other shall say nay. For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect." --The Book of the Law I.42-44 "In the Heart of he who consciously knows this is awakened the Spirit of the Sublime in All Things. And with this Key unlocks the Great Mystery, entering into the University of Nature, and in one with the Creator in All Things." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11986 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: Turning Hearts Judes the is the first time I have ever responded to one of your posts, but I would like you to know, that I enjoy all of them. The Light shines through. Yes, Judes I have dealt with people all my life in many ways, and I've learned so much more about dealing with people from JJ's example. I have a tendency to just ignore foolishness, and go on with something constructive, where these people aren't. Yet JJ has taught me a great deal by his example and one of them is Patience, which in his case approximates Jobs. I once wrote him and told him that I was a poor candidate for Sainthood, had numerous shortcomings, but envy wasn't one of them, and if it were, he would be the last man alive I would envy. LOL What's happening on the list is nothing new. Before the present ones, there were others who did the same thing from another point of view. They were just as guilty, and relentless then, as some are now. It's comical to see who some of the complainants are. I felt then that giving them time, was in effect a theft of time from the serious students that were here to learn. But you know after observing for a long time I've realized that it's all a learning experience, and the only person these people are really harming is themselves. The Spirit goes on teaching to the earnest students and they continue to grow at an accelerated rate. Those that appear to slow down progress are in truth just impeding themselves, and the Spirit. I have learned many positive lessons through this apparent chaos, and it has in turn made me a better, and more worthy student, and teacher. So really Judes, thank you for your light, and JJ thank you for teaching a Old Dog many new tricks, although I still have to admit Patience isn't one of my strong points. LOL But that's a problem in the student, not the Teacher. We're all so different in so many ways. I've always felt that God has a great sense of humor, because he gave mankind free will so that we would be afforded every conceivable possibility to make total asses out of ourselves. I've had my turn in times past, and it's always comical to watch others now. LOL Thank you, to All My Teachers! I have learned something from each, and everyone of you. God Bless! In Light, Love, and Power Your Friend Always, John W. Zia: "No one wins a debate, no one wins an argument. The great winner is the one that gets on with their life and their chosen goals, and attains. I for one Glenys, find no solace in the fact that we are distracted yet again." Judes: "Yes, glad to see that you seem to have recovered Zia...and are back with us. I did want to say though, that I have too pondered why JJ is so patient with Sterling and others with similar stances that distracted from the his teaching agenda time and time again[by reading the archives]. And...it has become obvious to me that JJ is showing us how to respond[maybe not necessarily what he says...but the patience involved] when we are attacked or questioned if we are leading a synthesis group or are teaching others. So, in that respect these side-tracks are very useful....and also the lesson that NO ONE is not "too precious" in his eyes[God's Kingdom]." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11987 From: "Stardancers" Subject: Re: homosexual love? not OT BJ, I found it interesting that you stated how much liked the New Age Love song until you realized that the artists were gay. Have you ever considered that you are robbing yourself of much beauty and insight because you place a great deal of importance on the messenger instead of focusing on the beauty of the message. It is my philosophy to glean what I can from any source, use my God given insight to sort out what is beautiful for me and discard the rest. As far as I can see, my time is much to sacred to waste on condemning anyone else for what they believe or what lifestyle they choose to live. All I can do is look at others and judge if what they are doing would be right for me in my life. The only time I feel justified in speaking up is when I feel that those others have in some way infringed upon the rights of an innocent. Other than that I believe that they are free to choose who and what they are in this life. Maybe people are gay just so people like you and me learn to be tolerant of things that are foreign to us. With love from my heart, Trish Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11988 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Turning Hearts Blayne: "Why can't a differing opinion be noted and moved on from? Its not Sterling who brings the focus its the 300 post following his posts that bring the focus to his posts. You only prove not one contrary word can be said on this list without a certain group of people here getting upset and sending a stream of posts denouncing it, thereby bringing the focus to it that you decry so much? I am not saying this in defense of anyone just pointing out the obvious." Judes: Well I will answer to why I sometimes respond to some of Sterling's post...instead of just waiting for JJ to...or ignoring them...I sometimes see Sterling's points [although...I am not Mormon...but have a strong scriptural background]; BUT I see where he may be off a little in my opinion only...and then my spirit-self is moved to express this to him; because I feel he may appreciate another viewpoint of the exact scriptures he has mentioned. OR?as others do?they may want to express a viewpoint in general that they feel that Sterling is overlooking...OR they want to direct or clarify JJ's viewpoints that they feel Sterling missed and reference him to a particular post in the archives. I do not feel that your interpretation of people here 'denouncing' is the proper or correct intention that replies to Sterling are given in [dang preposition at the end of a sentence...Craig...me to!!]. What I do find irritating is the complaining by others to get on with the teachings and complaining about distractions. Now, THAT is the only problem that I see with any of this. JJ, himself admitted that he has set-up the itinerary of his teachings to cover questions such as Sterling's and they are expected by a wise/seasoned teacher. So, the people here that do not want a LIVE and personal forum format for a classroom?they are just going to have to wait for JJ's books to come out...or let the open-forum classroom blossom..[my opinion]. Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11989 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Higher Incarnation Loving greetings, JJ this was a beautiful post to contemplate. To imagine a magnificent being on another level of consciousness... a union of 24 (souls?) so complete to be as one entity. To imagine this one entity... not 24 separate entities. Does this entity on that high level of consciousness have but one body (visible on that realm)? Or is this entity also made up of what appears to be 24 separate beings? Then of course when this 24 (souls?) entity incarnates does it then become one holding the matching 24 souls here in the physical as one... through its energy-linking (bonding) forming the 'greater body'? In observing the Hindu (Siva) temple in Hawaii, with its guru and 12 swamis and many lesser yet evolving monks... I see their union with Siva, their marriage and union with Siva, creating a molecule to allow the presence of Siva in the 12 + one. There is however no matching female 12... yet my understanding this is achieved through their union and overshadowing by Siva. Do you see this as a molecule, anchoring Siva the entity to earth through this temple/monastery.. and what are the seen repercussions of no females, yet perhaps perfectly balanced male/female energies within the 12 swamis? I also felt very 'mother-like' observing this new incoming energy... a new Life-form, merging with my own energy. And to contemplate the vastness of the mind in that union of souls... the profound structure of the molecule, and its operational capacity, and realizing the drawing power of this entity to match itself to resonating matter of like frequency and intent. In some ways it seems no different to an over-riding consciousness that paints the flowers a particular color, gives a specific number of petals, and observes its creation that it is. JJ asks: "Question: When you reach a point where you reach relative perfection will your progression come to a standstill or is continual evolution somehow linked to a higher life? If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis?" Zia: As we are continually evolving into the God that we are, this means to me becoming more and more aware or conscious of the great embodiment of God. I become conscious of something by being one with it, so in becoming one with more and more of all that exists in creation, becoming one with the totality of the embodiment of God, I am continually evolving into a higher, more conscious, more aware, more expanded being, uniting with myself in that expansion. Life is ongoing... God is ongoing. I see the molecule as God in its 'greaterness' 'creating a life form' truly becoming a greater being of life, through the power to create. That power to create is in union with life, creating the out-pictured being/entity that is a 'greater life form'. Since there are universes beyond this one, this is an ongoing forever process, that we are but babes embarking upon within our universe of life. Life occurs through union, through joining, and expanding, not through separation that would lead to closing down, stagnation and death. What seems profound to me is the level of trust required for the molecule to succeed. Once that trust is committed to, there is no room for fear doubt and all the subsequent emotions and spinning that this would create. To ultimately trust the profound 'greater mind and knowingness' of the molecular entity would be paramount to its existence. It is fascinating to imagine a body, with distinctly separate body parts from a physical perspective, yet I would assume we would literally also see the linking energy (bonds) of the one great embodiment of the molecule. In actual fact, this is the only purpose I find of interest on this list. Once my soul understands completely and is fully and totally willing to commit its lifetime to such an enterprise, all the scriptures and writings that may convince some, pale into insignificance to the knowing of my soul/spirit/God. It is also interesting that the Ram did not desire for us to be in monasteries, but rather operating in the world, the Christ walking amongst the masses, not locked away in seclusion. I feel that this molecular entity, new being, by its presence all things will change, not through it laying down laws of how when and where people will operate, but rather its knowingness will simply manifest the changes of peace, harmony, joy and life into all partaking of its radiance. It will simply be known and understood and naturally come to pass. In loving delight, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11990 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Higher Incarnation Loving Greetings, I found your comments interesting Susan. I remember many years ago being told that the next embodiment would be a hydrogen based one rather than carbon based one, and these were bodies of the 'sun'. Hence the potential to see the 'fire' of it. JJ is this the 'matter' that you see forming the embodied molecular being and incarnating here as... will this molecule be hydrogen based or still carbon based through us with a bonding of hydrogen creating the 'one' entity?? Hard to word the question, hope you get the gist!! Love to all, ZIA J J Dewey wrote: "Question: When you reach a point where you reach relative perfection will your progression come to a standstill or is continual evolution somehow linked to a higher life? If so how does this help you Become or progress on an eternal basis?" Susan wrote: "I can't ever imagine not deciding to become. Growth and change are life. The first entity above "human" is the hydrogen-like entity, above that are all the other elements. Realizing that growth and change are an eternal principle it will help me to let go of all my preconceived notions of staying in my comfort zone of knowledge and experience and realize I will always be stretching and deciding to become." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11991 From: "Judy Reese Subject: Re: Democracy "Alas! Yes, proponents of democracy are enemies of liberty, whether they know it or not. Randall" Judes: Only partially true! Democracy despoils liberty only within the hearts of evil men[Anti-Christs] leading the majority rule. However...a consensus derived from the souls of pure[disciples]{The Christ}..then that would be liberty for one and liberty for all! Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11992 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Turning Hearts Loving greetings, Yes Travis I see what you mean, and I think we have had this discussion before... the best of the choices available until we truly all recognize who and what we are and live in the liberty and freedom of that. My point was there comes a time in even many simple relationships in which we often must walk away. And the true foundation point for that is, no matter how much we might want to 'save' someone else... it really is the choice of that someone else to 'save' themselves, not ours. I just do not see that Sterling has any real desire to be here on our list constructively, testing his doubts against his soul, and truly responding to that soul/Christ guidance. I see there is a desire to continually disagree, and when that occurs that one must be let go. It must be their choice, their individual recognition of the truth and hence their desire to progress with the teachings and purpose of this list, not to oppose it, tear it down to all and sundry, continuously. He can certainly do that to his heart's content, but why be on this list, except to find the food to disagree with?? It is a hypocrite that keeps returning to the devil he keeps proclaiming, and supposedly saving everyone 'else' from!! I say simply, get away from the devil he perceives and we can get on with our agenda, and he with his. I would not want my thoughts from the highest source, continually dragged to the depths of someone else's fears and continual destructive comments. I simply say to Sterling post whatever you like to all of your lists, but do not post your garbage here, it is not wanted anymore. When you Sterling are ready to open and receive and test for the truth, not based on a whole bunch of ancient prophecies, that leave it open for argument without proof, then you will begin to walk as the Christ child, with profound faith and trust, that has nothing to do with what anyone else wrote, but the truth within you that is resonated in sharing with like minded people. I personally would see Sterling as a destructive force, impairing and harming the structure of a molecule in its tentative building in his current state of mind. And that ultimately must be a deciding factor. His own fearful state will naturally preclude him from the molecular structure, and again he will be on the outside, thinking he knows what is happening and going on within. Since even in the structure of the molecule, a majority vote is part of its implementation, we need to be aware of this choice facility. Love to you and all, ZIA Travis wrote: "I really like the 'majority rules' concept put forward over and over from Thomas Jefferson." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11993 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: homosexual love? not OT Hi Folks, I'm sorry Susan, but once an issue is brought up on this list, and a question is asked, it is important that it be addressed. Especially when it is an issue that JJ has touched upon himself in previous posts. Yikes! I can almost hear the teeth grinding out there in cyberspace. But oh well. It won't be the first time I've gotten myself in trouble. :) "B.J." wrote: "I really think this does have to do = with JJ's teachings and in NOT off topic. "IF" we switch every 7 lives, = which would explain me, We should be TRUE TO OURSELFS, which is what = gender we are at this life. Stick to the opposite sex, IMO, is being = true to ourself. Any comments would be appreciated." And Hi BJ, I will warn you ahead of time that this response may not be what you want to hear. And yet, if you will allow it to settle into your heart, I think it may just surprise you to find out what MAY be at the root of your feelings. Or perhaps not. :) Now I'm going to leave any multi life, gender switching, sex orientation, reincarnation, or molecular teachings to the experts in those fields. And simply address that which I know. What I mean by that is predicated in a question. It almost doesn't matter what the question is. It just matters that there IS a question. An uncertainty. A point of tension. Now, PURELY for the sake of this discussion, I will use your question. Your "point of tension". You say, "We should be TRUE TO OURSELVES, which is what gender we are at this life. Stick to the opposite sex, IMO, is being true to ourself." And let me say that this is an entirely appropriate thought. Not that you need me to tell you that. But it's important that you don't think that I am writing in opposition to your point. What I am going to address is just why that "contention" exists within you, and why. What purpose it might serve. You see, I, like just about everyone else reading these words, have struggled with the BIG questions. You know, What is life all about? What is death all about? And why is there evil in the world? Ahhh, that last one was a big one for me. Why indeed. And what IS evil? I've heard so many versions of the "truth" on that one that I sometimes wish I had incarnated as a slug. But alas, no such luck. I am human. And once the question is asked, I will search until I find the answer, unless I don't. Be that as it may, your question was not about "evil" per se, but of an "inconsistency". There is a thing which for you seems inconsistent with your "humble opinion" that people should stick to the opposite sex. And wouldn't you know it, up pops all kinds of examples of that which is inconsistent with your position. And as you state, you don't like it. And that is how it should be. That is how is has to be, in order for you, BJ, or me, John, or JJ, or Zia, or anyone else you'd like to name to HAVE their existence in this dualistic, three dimensional world. Let me explain why that is. In order to do that, let's make up an imaginary entity with whom we might play. And let's name this person Flo. Now Flo is a wonderful creature, full of Light and Love. Just the kind of person that anyone could hang out with. But you know, there are just too many inconsistencies in our little world for us to ever want to bring Flo into it. So since we are using our imaginations, let's shoot the load and just create a whole new realm in which we might meet up with Flo. And let's design this place to fit perfectly, everything we know of Flo's characteristics. Now we know that Flo is full of Light. So let's be sure that the realm we design is also full of Light. And we know that Flo is full of Love. So let's design our imaginary realm to contain nothing but Love. Now I'll also tell you that Flo loves the color blue. So let's get to painting. Ok. Now our realm is blue. And Flo loves curvature, since Flo is very curvaceous. Ok. Curves everywhere. And Flo is very smart, so let's put up signs everywhere, each of which is a direct quote from Flo's own knowledge. And besides just Love, Flo is partial to joy, peace, goodness, mercy, and patience. So when we go to decorating the place, let's only use those things which reflect joy, peace, goodness, mercy, and patience. Ok. Now that we have created our new realm, and have invited Flo to meet us there. Let's you and I go out to meet our new friend. BJ and John, going to meet Flo in our own created realm. When we arrive though, Flo is nowhere to be found. We look and we look, but no Flo. I look at you, and you look at me, and surely we know that WE are there. I mean, it MUST be the right place. Look, there's Love and Light and blue, and curves, and knowledge. There's joy and peace and goodness and mercy and patience, but still no Flo! So you and I decide to give up on Flo. Maybe we're too early, or maybe Flo missed the bus. But in any event, we decide that it's time to go. But being that we are good stewards of energy, you and I, we make sure to shut the Light off before we leave. And so have you guessed it? The instant that we shut off the Light, Flo showed up. And Flo is elated! Oh, not because we shut off the Light, for Flo does not like darkness, but because from the moment Flo stepped into our make believe world, Flo disappeared. As everything that Flo was, blended so perfectly with the backdrop we created, that there was no longer anything to which Flo was contrary. And so "Flo" was no more. Ok, so what am I saying with all of this? What I am saying is that everything that we can identify as opposing what we ARE, what we THINK, or what we DO, these are the exact same things which make our life in this realm possible. And so the question becomes, what will we do with these things which seem inconsistent with WHO WE ARE? I would submit to you that we BLESS them. That we Love them. And certainly that we overcome any feelings that they should not exist. For without those things, WE would not exist. Not in this world, and not in this way. Notice though, that I did not say that we have to AGREE with them. These things which seem inconsistent with WHO WE ARE. For that would defeat the very purpose for their existence. No, what I am saying is that whatever issue, whether that be homosexuality, or "women" (another of your peeves) or anything else that plays a role we deem as inappropriate in life, that we make every effort to learn the lessons that these things are there to show us. And bless the role that they play in helping us identify WHO WE ARE, by displaying what we are "not". But why would we do that, you might ask. What of the murderers and rapists and all manner of "evildoers" which we also cannot abide? Are we to Love and Bless them too? And to that I say, yes, but only only only if you have a desire to see these "evildoers" healed of their "evilness". (Whatever THAT is) Bottom line is that we are NOT here to change the whole world to be what we think of as positive, nor even to what we might consider negative. We are here to learn how to embrace them BOTH. And to Love them BOTH. And from that Love, that we might just be allowed to progress towards the Kingdom of God. Where commendation reigns, and condemnation is no more. So by all means HAVE your opinions. They are part of WHO YOU ARE. But also, do whatever is possible in order to bless your most hated foes. For in Truth, THEY are also part of WHO YOU ARE. And without them, you would not be able to know YOU. I told you this wouldn't be what you wanted to hear. :) Apologies to the "on topic" contingency. But hey, without me to contrast your position, you might just disappear. :) Peace, John "In the absence of that which is not, that which is, is not". ~Neale Donald Walsh Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11994 From: Blayne Subject: Re: Democracy If one seeks not to force another there is no need for democracy... But evil designing men seeking to force their views on others by force no matter how subtle necessitate the need for some form of democracy. The Founding Fathers of America sought to limit it by embodying it in a republic for common defense, not to regulate every aspect of our lives as it now ever increasingly does, knowing that it could only work with those who had the moral fortitude to not trample the agency of others in the name of the good of all. But as usual those lacking moral fortitude have subverted that and used it as a tool to enslave and there not done yet. All forms of man made governments will eventually fail until enough of the pure in heart have the love/law of God written in their hearts not on their flags and muskets! Till then we seek peace and fight tyranny as best we can! Love Blayne Randall wrote: "Alas! Yes, proponents of democracy are enemies of liberty, whether they know it or not." Judy Reese wrote: "Only partially true! Democracy despoils liberty only within the hearts of evil men [Anti-Christs] leading the majority rule. However...a consensus derived from the souls of pure[disciples]{The Christ}..then that would be liberty for one and liberty for all!" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11995 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Rolling Waters Loving Greetings, Thank you once again JJ, what a relief in what you have written. I saw many 'do gooders' seeming to do more harm than good when I was a child. Perhaps I was too critical. However, I sadly drew to me, a teacher that I valued greatly, saying that 'I was wise to wait until I had Christed, so that I would give the greatest benefit... not some make do and potentially powerless stop gap measures'. I held onto that, yet continued to practice what I believed would one day become my reality. It did however create in me impossible to reconcile, beliefs in perfection. It is these that I am dealing with so deeply at the present time. The consequences of decision, and their not being perfect, and the fear of making decisions, and the fear of not reaching that perfected state, and of not ever being of any value or use to God... these are deep and profound issues misguided through religions that keep us powerless. I was sadly taught that 'false principle' you mention here of waiting for purity and perfection!! Poor decisions seem to compound, and I am dissolving the untruths and misbeliefs to the best of my ability, that I may be set free to fearlessly engage God into life. Love to you JJ that you provide the courage and determination to help set us free of illusionary and destructive belief systems, ZIA "Blayne writes: "If you pour say 10 percent poison in pure water it contaminates the whole pool. So until one is 100% pure in heart they cannot bring forth good fruit that is why there is no Zion society etc. We are all evil based on this." JJ writes: "This would be true if we are in a stagnate condition as still water is, but remember the words of the scripture: "How long can rolling waters remain impure?" D&C 121:33 "If there is an attempt to pollute a working disciple the impurities will be washed away with good works, love and the cleansing activity of the Holy Spirit. "It is a false principle to wait until you attain purity in the still test tube before the building of the kingdom of God is attempted. Purity is a natural thing when one becomes a point of moving loving force within the fiery will of God." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11996 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Democracy "All forms of man made governments will eventually fail until enough of the pure in heart have the love/law of God written in their hearts not on their flags and muskets! Till then we seek peace and fight tyranny as best we can! Love Blayne" Judes: Hear! Hear! Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11997 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: Fw: Freedom to express Judy Reese wrote: "Freedom to express also includes the discernment of where and how one's energies[writings] are utilized and posted. Sorry?John and Zia...I got both your points...but you stopped short of the freedom of the writer to use their truths/writings for what purpose and to what end they choose." Hi Judes, I do understand your position. And I honor it. But I, being ever cognizant of the positions of others, also wrote: "And I make NO suggestion to anyone that they should or should not adopt such a declaration, or any other." I needn't tell you this, but you are FREE to make your own declaration/s, or not. Another point I stressed. You can bet that when I write, I say exactly what is needed to be said with the best interest of ALL in mind. Unless I don't. :) But your reiteration is also quite appropriate. Peace, John Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11998 From: Blayne Subject: Re: Turning Hearts So I guess its ok to post and quote lots of scripture and quotes from the past if your JJ, But if your Sterling or anyone who has expressed contrary views then your just mislead and relying on others words:-) Love Blayne * Zia wrote: "When you Sterling are ready to open and receive and test for the truth, not based on a whole bunch of ancient prophecies, that leave it open for argument without proof, then you will begin to walk as the Christ child, with profound faith and trust, that has nothing to do with what anyone else wrote," Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/11999 From: "Xavier Dolleans" Subject: List clean up Hi guys, I'm not the moderator here, so that what follows as free and personal: I think that the list is getting dangerously full today. Please keep on topic, and if you have off topic urges, send them to the KSTB forum. Try to clean up the place, so that we center on JJ's teachings. I like the quiet time very much, didn't you? The risk is that we get lost in so many posts. Those that want the teachings wont find them, JJ will be busy addressing off topic challenges, newbies will wonder what is this stuff, and regulars will get pissed off at the bordello. We did it before, and I'm one of the worst at it seems;-) So if you can, and if you wish, have a look, and try to keep the list clean and healthy (are the swords offensive? lol) Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12000 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Fw: Freedom to express Loving Greetings, Wow Judes you were silent for a couple of days and come back with a wallop!!! Most interesting your posts. In the exploration of past lives, not something I undertook specifically, but was given to overcome something in line with what you say here, I discovered a great fear in me of what I created to be misused. And this certainly happened 45,000 years ago. I brought in a specific 'invention' you might say. This got taken and misused by those desiring power over the masses etc. Same ol' story, even then. What is interesting is I could have done a similar thing in this life, but the fear was too great for the 'potential harm' to be caused by others. I was given very clearly that when something is stolen from you, you are released from the karma they create through their chosen misuse. But for me, the effect for 45,000 years on humanity is too great a price for my simple loving mind. Consequently I have not done perhaps much that I could do. Because to realise the potentials, and determine 'mankind's readiness' become profound choices. And hence the fear of making decisions with diabolical consequences that were not seen at the time. Now I ensure that whatever I choose to write, to engage in, to put out in any form, does not require any form of control from me, to render it harmless. I recognize in duality that choice lies with each individual, and the choice to be destructive of another man's words and thoughts, there is certainly a profound karmic cost, and this must be weighed by us all in the decisions we make. We cannot control another, we cannot stop them from putting out something that is beautiful and good, and turning it into something harmful... yet we can create with intent, and hold our creation purely, and by the power of its inherent truth and love and goodness, it will draw accordingly. As that is empowered by our own purity in oneness with God's creation, the truth of it will stand supreme. It is actually in its creation, not in force and control once released. I see that when we validate the personality ego games of this world, by even thinking that with the release of our creation, simple words, that there will be those that will oppose it, see the devil in it, and even then start justifying our position and trying to prove our truth to some invisible adversary, we draw that adversary to us, and get to play out our creation. That's what's vital here. And whether anyone likes this or not, that is why Sterling is here. I am certain, the magnificent Ancient of DAys would concur, that how you create your thoughts, your intent, what fears and doubts you allow in, will indeed affect your manifestation exactly according to your fear and doubt. This not understood and applied, causes so many 'great endeavors' to fail. Test it out sometime. Write a post, and in its creation and your pure intent, see it totally and lovingly accepted. No other thoughts, no fears, no doubts... just see your 'perfect' desired outcome. Watch what happens. I have been blessed to put this to the test. It is profound in its ramifications. I have even written a particular thought with one person in mind, knowing their response, and it occurred right on cue!!! Love to all of you, ZIA "Freedom to express also includes the discernment of where and how one's energies[writings] are utilized and posted. Sorry...John and Zia...I got both your points...but you stopped short of the freedom of the writer to use their truths/writings for what purpose and to what end they choose. And THAT is where the decision and respect should lie. If Sterling post writings of others in an environment which is based on a controversial nature or leaves the writer in a position where they must defend their propositions...the writer has the preference of wanting to be part of that environment[# 1] and whether they want to defend their propositions in that environment[# 2]. So the decision should lie with the writer in respect for their wishes WHATEVER they may be. Judes" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12001 From: Blayne Subject: Re: homosexual love? not OT Very good post John this is known in Mormon vernacular as the "law of opposition" With out the bad we would not know to prize the good without the sour we would not appreciate the sweet. Without opposition in all things we would cease to exist as you described so well! Love Blayne John Kosior wrote: "I'm sorry Susan, but once an issue is brought up on this list, and a question is asked, it is important that it be addressed. Especially when it is an issue that JJ has touched upon himself in previous posts. Yikes! I can almost hear the teeth grinding out there in cyberspace. But oh well. It won't be the first time I've gotten myself in trouble. :)" "B.J." wrote: "I really think this does have to do with JJ's teachings and in NOT off topic. "IF" we switch every 7 lives, which would explain me, We should be TRUE TO OURSELFS, which is what gender we are at this life. Stick to the opposite sex, IMO, is being true to ourself. Any comments would be appreciated." And Hi BJ, "I will warn you ahead of time that this response may not be what you want to hear. And yet, if you will allow it to settle into your heart, I think it may just surprise you to find out what MAY be at the root of your feelings. Or perhaps not. :)" (snip) Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12002 From: RWBH Subject: Let's Take This Stuff to the Cafeteria! * Zia wrote: "And this certainly happened 45,000 years ago. I brought in a specific 'invention' you might say. This got taken and misused by those desiring power over the masses etc. Same ol' story, even then." I remember it well, I do. And didn't I tell you...no! Zia no!. Don't give them the boomerang. Did you listen? No. Now you've got your nuclear this and your atomic that. But hey...who listens to me? brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12003 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: List clean up Xavier: "The risk is that we get lost in so many posts. Those that want the teachings wont find them, JJ will be busy addressing off topic challenges, newbies will wonder what is this stuff, and regulars will get bleeped off at the bordello." judes: Personally...I find it it stimulating...BUT..I get your drift...X...and I am the WORST...so we will be cool...here. Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12004 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Turning Hearts Loving Greetings, We still must recognize Judes, that JJ is as human as you and me. And so is Sterling. Sterling reminds me of an alcoholic, and JJ the supportive wife. Forgive me guys, I just want to paint a story. It's not real!!! Sterling comes along, had a big binge, and is apologetic at this choice, sees the light at the end of tunnel, and says, I can see a lot of value in what you are saying JJ. So in the hope of a better relationship it is thought that giving up the drink will start now!! Sadly the very next day, Sterling has gone off on another binge. And everyone that knows the situation is knocked down and disappointed again, and still hoping for Sterling's recovery. What is so interesting, is they both lock into each other, both wanting the other to change... to agree that they are right. It is an addiction, in our mind, to want others to believe in us, to see that we are right, and to want to be saved by us. Wanting to believe that someone is open and will change, is an addicted and non-productive state of mind. The condition will exists for as long as those participating want it to exist, and will stop when the decision to make it so, is done. Did Jesus try to convince Judas to do other than what he was going to do?? Could he have? Jesus simply gave recognition that he knew what Judas was going to do, realizing his free will, and Judas' choice was his choice, not Jesus' to change or convince, or even try to save!! That is profound to me... what is ever gained in trying to convince someone? One thing, you will always have to convince them, and they will always be changeable until they themselves take responsibility for their choices, actions, and results in their life. That is simply why I say, enough is enough... Sterling may completely change tomorrow... yet by his consistent actions in my time of observing him... time will be necessary to prove his position has changed... and what risk would I place the list into, the molecule, or the value of my teachings, by continuing to convince, justify myself to, or prove right or wrong with.... that to me is a waste of time, energy better directed, and energy consciously applied to a clear pure intent in terms of the teachings has a much greater likelihood of success when I let go of the WHO and get on with the focus of the goal. Simply my take... having thought I could change other people... wow that can waste lifetimes!! Sterling and all of God's creation is precious, and it is our individual choice in time when we come to choose TRUST, LOVE, and focus on the given on goal. Love to you all, ZIA "Zia:" "No one wins a debate, no one wins an argument. The great winner is the one that gets on with their life and their chosen goals, and attains. I for one Glenys, find no solace in the fact that we are distracted yet again." "Judes:" "Yes, glad to see that you seem to have recovered Zia...and are back with us. I did want to say though, that I have too pondered why JJ is so patient with Sterling and others with similar stances that distracted from the his teaching agenda time and time again[by reading the archives]. And...it has become obvious to me that JJ is showing us how to respond [maybe not necessarily what he says?but the patience involved] when we are attacked or questioned if we are leading a synthesis group or are teaching others. So, in that respect these side-tracks are very useful.... and also the lesson that NO ONE is not "too precious" in his eyes [God's Kingdom]." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12005 From: "susan carter" Subject: Re: homosexual love? not OT Welcome Trish! I believe this is your first post to the list. Trish is a beloved neighbor and will add a lot of wisdom and love to our discussions of JJ's teachings. Stardancers wrote: "It is my philosophy to glean what I can from any source, use my God given insight to sort out what is beautiful for me and discard the rest." Amen! I agree! I love to gather flowers from all sorts of gardens. Susan Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12006 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Big Welcome to BJ and Trish Welcome to the list..or "home" as Rick says. Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12007 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Turning Hearts Loving greetings, Hey Blayne, you must have missed my words to JJ sometime ago that quoting scriptures leaves me cold. I don't care who quotes them, St John or Jesus Christ himself!!! I can make a lot of things fit a lot of things... it is a great game of the mind... I would rather get a simple picture or word from my soul now, in relation to now... than all the words of the past!! I don't single Sterling out... and most interestingly if people like scriptures... well Churches are great places to listen to plenty of that!!! For some, it is music to their souls, for me... just a bunch of Hallelujah's does it for me to be in rapture!! Sorry you see it the way you do Blayne, but you are certainly welcome to it!! Love to you, and all, ZIA Blayne: "So I guess its ok to post and quote lots of scripture and quotes from the past if your JJ, But if your Sterling or anyone who has expressed contrary views then you're just mislead and relying on others words:-)" Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12008 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: (Brian) OT - New Age Love Hi Folks, Well Brian, you certainly know how to disagree with diplomacy and poise. You are certainly a being of the highest Love and Grace. If you only had the Will to use those things. Or perhaps, if only you could remember more of the words you read before responding to the few you can. Gee, I hope you don't mind if I take you by your little hand and walk you through a few things that were written in my original post. And maybe a couple that I didn't. But of course, as I said in my declaration, you can use, or not use, the words I write in ANY manner you see fit, or unfit. Or not. I don't care. But if the things that I write start to get under that fine and dainty skin of yours, by all means save yourself. We certainly don't need any more martyrdom in this world. John Kosior wrote: "Yep. Just as I suspected, you have a debilitated memory. What I remember writing was: "I submit to you here that Will does have a very high place in the Life Chain, and it's just one notch below Love, and not above it." Brian wrote: "Maybe those words got lost in the server." Peace, (unless it's not) John Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12009 From: Blayne Subject: Re: Rolling Waters * Zia wrote: "I was sadly taught that 'false principle' you mention here of waiting for purity and perfection!!" No one is advocating "waiting" to become pure What I said is if the water is ten percent contaminated its contaminated and good for nothing. JJ said but rolling waters will clean up the water. Which is fine. 1. you have to have rolling water 2. you have to stop dumping toxins into it so it can purify Until then the water cannot be drunk or used to water plants etc. So until then it can bring forth no good fruit yes it needs to keep rolling and we need to keep dumping toxins (carnal do good feel good things 1st Cor. 13) into the water so it can purify. This does not mean we sit around waiting to be pure we must act its where are focus lies that is essential. Love Blayne Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12010 From: "Judy Reese" Subject: Re: Turning Hearts Zia: "Hey Blayne, you must have missed my words to JJ sometime ago that quoting scriptures leaves me cold. I don't care who quotes them, St John or Jesus Christ himself!!!" Judes: Personally...for me hearing scripture quoted by JJ or Sterling or whoever clarifies a point they are making. Also, reading scripture has become [wasn't always] a means to putting me in a revelatory mode. Which I feel is one of the many multi-level reasons for their purpose and intent by the writers. I respect that they have no effect on you, Zia...just as New-agey" blither has no effect on me. BUT...as you say...the soul talks to us in many ways...and the voice I hear sounds a lot like down-right scriptures talking back. Maybe that is due to who I am, was or just my up- bringing and indoctrination. I DO know that they[scriptures] are powerful...in their own right. So...just my two-cents so JJ...will keep slinging them out for those of us who like it. Now, Zia.....I really do respect what you said about them[scriptures] and hope this is not taken offensively. I seem to be subtly disagreeing with you today. BUT....overall we are ringing the same 'bell' here...I just find it stimulating[as I said] to 'rap' with my brothers and sisses about delicate soul-full conversations. Like X said...I am new and have been out in the wilderness too long. Love: Judes Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12011 From: RWBH Subject: Re: (Brian) OT - New Age Love John K wrote: "Yep. Just as I suspected, you have a debilitated memory. What I remember writing was: I submit to you here that Will does have a very high place in the Life Chain, and it's just one notch below Love, and not above it." Well, guy, if my example of Jesus = Love of God placing itself beneath the WILL of God doesn't set you right, then what can I do. Besides...I've got something important to do at the moment...run off and do the laundry. Why does the Lord's Prayer say: Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven? I"m not sure i get your point...but maybe, that is the point. Do you have one????? brian Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-15/12012 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Rolling Waters Loving greetings, Perhaps you missed my point, or I was not clear... there ARE people, even those purporting to be teachers, advocating, WAITING until one is pure... one is Christed, one is enlightened etc... before turning to assist your brother because of the impurities. I was not referring to your post Blayne, but to JJ's positive response and truth that we do not need to WAIT... that we can be of benefit now, and that through that effort we are also purifying. Okay? You say Blayne, no one is advocating WAITING... I am saying there are plenty advocating just that! Love to you and all, ZIA * Zia wrote: "1. you have to have rolling water" "2. you have to stop dumping toxins into it so it can purify" Blayne wrote: "Until then the water cannot be drunk or used to water plants etc. So until then it can bring forth no good fruit yes it needs to keep rolling and we need to keep dumping toxins (carnal do good feel good things 1st Cor. 13) into the water so it can purify. This does not mean we sit around waiting to be pure we must act its where are focus lies that is essential." Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12013 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: (John W.) OT - New Age Love John Wayne Kline wrote: "Well darn, here I go, thinking again. I said I was going to concentrate on my work today and not do this, but John K. posts always speak to me in a special way." Thanks John. "John I didn't follow this Crowley thing much, but I can tell you that the statement in question is Ancient and Crowley borrowed it from the Brotherhood. It actually states, "Do what thou Wilt is the Whole of the Law. Love is the Supreme Law, Love Under Will." Well, far be it from me to disagree with the Brotherhood. And I am fairly sure that I haven't. I think you'll see what I mean as we go along. "If you go back to JJ's first, and second post in the Molecular series and follow it through it begins with Purpose, or the Will of God, which vibrates like a guitar string and in turn brings forth, Love, and Light." And with this I am very comfortable. And forgive me if I seem to nitpick. It's usually not my thing. But so far you've said "Purpose" is synonymous to the "Will of God". Correct? But if that is the case, then you have already begun to illuminate my original thought. As far as I can ascertain, if it is the Will "OF" God, so then it stands to reason that the Will, or Purpose, proceeded FROM God. "The Will referred to in the above statement is synonymous with the Purpose in JJ's Molecular Posts. So it's referring to the original Purpose of God of which Love is brought into manifestation as a natural by product." Ok. No problem here. Except perhaps with some semantics. You see, when I am referring to "Love" as being above "Will", I am speaking of the ESSENCE of the Being, here called "God", and then the Purpose, or Will, OF God (the essence) proceeds FROM God. But when you say that "Love is brought into manifestation", that clears it up for me. Because I wasn't referring to the MANIFESTATION of Love, but the ESSENCE of Love, or, God. Do you see where I am coming from on this? From this perspective, I would think that a better rendering of the Love under Will quote would be, "Do what thou Wilt is the Whole of the Law. The manifestation of Love is the Supreme Law, that manifestation Under Will." I can easily see how the manifestation of Love follows, or "comes under", the Will, or Purpose of God. So you see, that in the model I have in my head, we would have God (Love Essence), to Will (Purpose), to Love/Light, (manifestation). If you see what I'm saying, then perhaps you see that we are not in disagreement at all. "This is the Higher Will, and as we say "Thy Will Be Done! It isn't the willfulness that we attribute to our human condition. Do what thou wilt, is the whole of the Law means to do the Will of God. Gods Will is Love! Once we become one with this Will there is nothing beyond our capabilities because God does through us, and the natural by product of Gods Fiery Will flowing through us is Love, and Light." You got it, man! That's beautifully put. I would only add (for sake of absolute clarity) Gods Fiery Will flowing through us is Love, and Light, IN MANIFESTATION. It really is only a matter of semantics. In this way, We are the manifestation of God on earth. Beautiful. And awesome beyond words. "This beautiful statement is One of the Jewels that have been cast among Swine. It has been debased and those of lesser understanding have used it as an excuse to do anything they wanted. The one thing that they don't take into account is under either circumstance the Karma which accompanies an act of Will, or will. The result of One is Grace, the other karma." Yes. And by God, I hope we can merge our understanding, you and I. (I believe we have) For in this, we may see some AMAZING things happen. (And I believe we will) But please let me explain why I take such ridiculous care in choosing the best possible words that I can imagine to use, whenever I respond to these "writings" which have been so much maligned. It is because I have been the swine! And I look with an untold compassion at those who have missed their own best chance at graduating with the rest of the class. And so I try everything I know to bring greater and greater clarity to words that might otherwise make the blind to stumble. Now, that doesn't mean that I take responsibility for the progression of another. (I've learned from experience, the folly of that) It DOES mean though, that I take every opportunity to share whatever Light I may possess, in the hope that it might help transform my formerly fellow swine, into my currently fellow Brethren. "Apparently this is something you have given great thought too, and I knew if anyone could understand its Higher Meaning it would be you." Are you satisfied that I do know its Higher Meaning? Or is there something that I have missed? I am brutally honest with myself. And I invite you to be even more so. :) "I dug through my notes and found this dated Tuesday 7-23-91. On this date while in deep contemplation on this very subject I received the following. "Love is the Supreme Law, Love Under Will. Pure will unassuaged of Purpose is in every way Divine." Would you PLEASE tell me what "unassuaged" means? :) "In the Heart of he who consciously knows this is awakened the Spirit of the Sublime in All Things. And with this Key unlocks the Great Mystery, entering into the University of Nature, and in one with the Creator in All Things." Simply Beautiful. "If Mankind will only consider itself as the Light, of the Life, in the Love of God, within themselves, they will come to understand their own relationship to God so much better." Amen to that Brother! Or is that Aumen? Ehh! :) "I desire only to live the common life, in an uncommon way. My Life is a Precious, and Miraculous Gift, a Mystical Magical Voyage into an Infinite Ocean of Possibility, through a Myriad of Ever Changing Forms, of which I enjoy, and celebrate every Moment of the experience." I couldn't have said it better if I said it myself. Or maybe I did? God knows. "Whisperings of Self!" "May the Force be with You, My Friend" It is my friend. It is. Peace, John Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-15/12014 From: "* Zia" Subject: [OT] Asteroid Valentine Loving Greetings, Here is a gift for valentine's day from the cosmos: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html Love to all, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-14/12015 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: RE: Re: (John W.) OT - New Age Love Oh no John there is no disagreement between us, and any that would appear to be is nothing more than semantics. I was just making the point that this beautiful piece of Word Art is misleading, and misunderstood. I agree with you on every point. The way it's been portrayed is much like religion. It was a very pure statement, that has been sorely maligned. I couldn't agree more with you about the swine. How is anyone suppose to realize the true meaning, if it's been terribly distorted. I understand what your doing, and it's not nit picking. It's more like searching for a Rose in a trash heap. That's what JJ Dewey has been doing all along, pointing out the True Jewels in the trash dump. Separating the Wheat from the Chaff that's come down to us through history, so to speak. The Jewel in all it's Splendor and Glory is about to be revealed. That's why many on this list, and the Forum and feeling the building tension. There's always that haunting fear for all of us that we're not good enough, or inadequate. Best I remember from what little Bible Schooling I had, Moses felt the same way. I loved your rewrite of the statement, it does make more sense, and that it exactly what were here to do. Restore the Truth to it's previous Glory. Cloth Old Truths in New Form. If you can take something old and dress it in new form, and make it understandable to the masses how on earth could you be at odds with the Brotherhood. That's their Will! You may be with Religion though. LOL Once again that's what JJ has been teaching us to do, and now a new teacher is developing his style. As far as what Unassuaged of Purpose means, well I can't even spell it, after many years. LOL When it came out of the Void in a flash, that's what I got. If you can put it in more understandable terms feel free my friend. I do know it's deeper meaning. Pure Will Unassuaged of Purpose is the perfect surrender of our personal little will, to that of Higher, as in the coming Molecule. We still remain individual in every way, yet the Highest that we can conceive of is to put our little wills aside and do the Will of God, by our own decision, and choice. Sounds like Love in Action doesn't it? Our Purpose becomes one with God. The same holds true for the Molecule. We are individual in form, and One in Spirit. What one gets, all gets, and there is consensus, our Purpose is One with God. This new life form in form, is twenty four or more people aligned with, and carrying out the Will of God on Earth. The Molecule already exists in form in New Jerusalem on the Spiritual Plane and many of us have experienced it. I see the Molecule as the Blooming of Mankind. Mankind rising up as high as it can, and the Molecule coming down to meet it. I have watched your light grow on the list for some time now, among others. Each person reaches a time of critical mass in their journey, this is an initiation point. John I feel that you're personally at this point now, like a rumbling volcano. What your feeling is what I call Periroseau, in close proximity to the Soul. Your in a state of Perihelion to your True Self. In computer terms, your about to snap to grid. Your true center. It is a birthing, and transmutation stage, or process, and can cause some stress in the aspirant, and the tension mounts. When it comes though, it will leave you giddy, feeling like a fool in ways, on a high you neither want to, or can come down from. The veil is very, very thin for you now. There is no way to predict how it will affect you personally other than saying that if you imagine the most passionate love you can fall into, and then multiply many times over. It makes you do some really silly things or that is the way it appears to others. They can't imagine anyone being this happy, and will probably think your on drugs, or mentally unbalanced. You kind of feel like Old Scrooge the morning after the three Spirits visited him, and you act about the same way. It is something akin to an Acid Free, Acid Trip. I think Walt Whitman said, " Wandering Amazed at my own Lightness, and Glee," and we know most folks thought Walt Whitman a little touched in the head. LOL But he did his best to sum it up with nothing more than the English language to work with. John I look forward to working with you, and others very closely in the future. I felt the Fire in Jennifer this last week. How are you feeling Jennifer? Lately I feel the drawing force, becoming stronger, and stronger, pulling many of us closer, and closer together. This does also cause a rising tension among some. The lights on this list, and the forum are growing in intensity week, by week. It has never been so evident as in just the last several weeks. I've notice a lot more meaningful coincidence, or synchronicity, which ever we prefer to call it. The Ancients saw this as the first strong signs of what some call Cosmic Consciousness, or Super Consciousness. The older I become the more I become aware that it is both and honor, and privilege to have the opportunity to be of service to others. This in itself is a blessing few recognize, but I know you do. The Oneness Principle is Alive and Well Among Us. God Bless, In Light, Love, and Power Your Friend, John Post No. keys-l: /2000-02-15/12016 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Higher Incarnation I've got a few questions too, JJ. J J Dewey wrote: "Concerning this greater molecular entity - it is an individual totally apart and independent from you. You have never been It and will not evolve into It just as the cells in your body have never been you and will never evolve into you. In fact all your cells die and are replaced by new cells periodically." So you are saying that humans are nearing the culmination of their evolution as individuals and the molecular relationship is the next step in their becoming. So individuals operating as individuals will become extinct (sort of) just as a cell cannot live in and of itself for very long? Is that why some animal species just seem to disappear? Because they have reached the pinnacle of their development rather than the cause being environmental. I've heard some argue that rather than spending million of dollars on trying to protect endangered species, we should let them go to their highest good. (Just as an aside, I've got to tell you this story.......the average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were released back into the wild amid cheers and applause from the onlookers. A minute later they were both eaten by a killer whale. Sorry for those who are weeping for the seals but I found this funny...) "The point I'm making here is that each entity is independent within its own sphere. It is dependent for life on the wholeness of it's body but not the individual parts. Ind