2000 - WEEK 2

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9778
From: "* Zia"
Subject: Re: Post 666 of J.J. Dewey
Greetings of Peace to All,
I certainly enjoyed your post here Sterling... and realize that one of the greatest difficulties 
with Hitler and what occurred, was also that he was quite remote to America, and we don't often 
consider another capable of such atrocities, 'certainly not in our day and age anyway!'
Reading another at such a distant, in fact, having the interest to do so, is not foremost in 
most American's minds it would seem. Also we had contention with the Japanese as a 
distraction. Is that the right time frame?
And most of all, it is astonishing to realize that in human nature we do indeed have it all... the 
Christ and the anti-Christ in each one of us... the Lucifer etc... and it becomes an individual 
choice to aspire to the highest we know. Therefore, certain personality behavioural patterns could 
'look' Christ-like or anti-Christ. These naturally would be warning bells to the soul. To ignor, would 
be absurd. At a distance, being alert to patterns of behaviour has great validity to me.
I do not feel without soul to soul contact, one could ever identify an anti-Christ. And what is 
astonishing for me to consider is would the soul connection give the true indicator of an anti-
Christ which I see as personality traits?
 That's what Rudolph Steiner demonstrated to me in the 'Spear of Destiny', that only by viewing 
through the soul/spirit/God being could he in actual fact see what Hitler was up to, and thus warn 
Winston Churchill. On basic facts alone, and viewing from a distance, I do not feel Churchill could 
have been aware of Hitler's potentials. In the book he seems to have stated that. Yet this is an 
extremely high level of soul communication, of which most are not capable.
So knowing who and what we are, indeed focusing on that and becoming it as our own true 
identity, and operating from that identity is the only true soul to soul communication as I see it. 
This is the GREAT WORK on this earth, and the greatest service we can give to all humanity in 
my humble opinion.
Distractions of the personality colored by emotions, can be just that, distractions. Perhaps it 
is only the teaching that is important, not the messenger at all... that the messenger's personality 
and actions and lifestyle are irrelevant... that is something I will contemplate further.
Celebrating the Joy of Life, ZIA
Sterling: "Being the word-number man, I had to see what post number 666 was in J.J.'s 
archives. It came a week ago on Jan. 2, ironically, on the same day I posted my thing on 365, 
noting that J.J.'s book has 365 pages in it."
<snip>

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9779
From: "* Zia"
Subject: Re: Religious Tyranny
Greetings of Peace to All,
Thank you Pablo for the interesting post on Religious Tyranny. As I see it the most powerful 
form of mind control is our own emotions, and the effects of those 'buttons' of unresolved 
emotions being pushed. That gives an open door to Religious Tyrants... as well as any other sort 
of tyrant!!
True freedom, is freedom from emotions based upon our past! Then the personality is a 
clear open vehicle to the energies of spirit.
Celebrating the JOy of Life, ZIA

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9780
From: "* Zia"
Subject: Re: Religious Tyranny
Editor's Note: Repeat post of No. 9779

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-09/9781
From: "Sterling D. Allan"
Subject: Fw: "The Two Messiahs"?
J.J. in going through a few more archives, my eye caught one called "The Two Messiahs" 
(below).
I must say that this one is very radical and could be a breaking point for me in determining if 
you are pseudo/anti or if you are for real commissioned of God. You are going to need to do 
some pretty fancy explaining on this one.
My reading of the scriptures and the witness born repeatedly in my soul is that Jesus Christ 
was the very son of God, the only begotten in the flesh, meaning that he had a mortal mother, 
Mary; and his sire, through the interposition of the Holy Ghost, was Heavenly Father. This is the 
final testimony that is given of him by John in the gospel of John, and it is confirmed in the Book 
of Mormon (John 1:18, 34, 49; 3:18, 6:69; 10:36; 11:27; 20:31; 1 Ne. 10:17; 11:6, 7, 18, 21, 24, 
32; 1 Ne. 13:40; II Ne. 25:16, etc..).
John 20:
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in 
this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that 
believing ye might have life through his name.
1 Nephi 13:40
And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records [Book of Mormon], which thou hast 
seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first [the Bible], which are of the twelve 
apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been 
taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb 
of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come 
unto him, or they cannot be saved.
These are not just isolated verses. They are text mission statement verses.
How does what you say below coincide with this most crucial of facets of Jesus the Christ?
To me it is the height of occultism to suggest that Jesus ("Joshua") was possessed of 
another spirit ("Melchizedek," the Christ element, according to you) from the time he was 
baptized, and that these two "entities" will manifest as separate personages in these last days. 
Furthermore, to suggest that Jesus was merely an incarnation of Joshua, Moses' successor, 
defies the teaching that he was the literal son of God.
The highest I know, from all my experience and learning, the very core of my conviction, 
centers around Jesus as the Christ, the Savior of mankind, the Son of God.
How answer you?
Sterling
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/JJArchives/JJ612.html
The Two Messiahs
Peter Writes:
JJ, you mentioned that "The Christ is the title held by the Spirit that was in Jesus as we 
taught earlier." Just to make sure I understand, the Spirit that represents the Christ title today, is 
not the Christ Spirit (incarnation of Melchizedek) that descended into the body of Jesus during the 
baptism, but the original Spirit of Jesus (incarnation of Joshua). If this is correct, I'm assuming 
that the later Spirit (incarnation of Joshua) achieved this title when he beat death on the cross. As 
a result, the Spirit of Melchizedek went to the great solar system of Sirius for further schooling. Is 
this correct?
JJ
The entity who was Melchizedek entered into the body of Jesus at his baptism. This is the 
one who still holds the office of the Christ and is the same who must make His presence known to 
fulfill the prophecies of the second coming. He will "reign a thousand years" and then move on to 
higher learning.
The other entity who was Joshua from the time of Moses born as Jesus will not be the one 
who is the second coming. The plan is for him to become the Messiah that the Jews are still 
waiting for. Thus we will have Jesus and the Christ working on the earth this time as two separate 
entities, one as messiah to the Jews and the other as a world teacher. The hope is for Jesus to 
prepare the Jewish people to accept the higher teachings of the Christ.
When they are doing their work they will be known by different names than Jesus and Christ. 
A lot of the spiritual work will be done before the world at large realizes that anything unusual is 
happening.
One more note on Moses. He worked with a triangle of energy through his Higher Self, the 
Masters (which at the time most did not originate from earth) and the Ancient of Days at 
Shamballa. Most of the work was done through a direct connection with his higher self, but he did 
make contact with The Ancient of Days. Because of this great triangle of energy he was able to 
perform some of the greatest miracles in history.
There will be a higher correspondence to the time of Moses when the Molecules are created. 
There will again be a triangle formed between the Spiritual life behind the Molecule, the 
Brotherhood of Light and the Ancient of Days.. When the energies of the Father, Son and Holy 
Ghost become one upon the earth all things become possible.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9782
From: "* Zia" 
Subject: (OT) Evaluating the Teacher
Greetings of Peace to All,
If I recall somewhere back in the Archives, JJ wrote about evaluating the teacher, and I 
understood this was important. That it was not enough to just take at face value, and soul 
response the teachings as put forward. Realizing as stated by JJ 90% of teachings have already 
been taught before in a some fashion, then evaluating the teacher is what I find I am at a loss to 
do.
When I met the Ram, it was on a video tape in Australia... and the tears of joy ran down my 
face as I listened and watched for I recognised him totally. It put me into a state of bliss for three 
days. There was no shred of doubt in me of him. And his words and teachings for nearly 20 years 
never had a ring of doubt in me, they inspired me. My body-mind-consciousness may not have 
wanted to do all that was asked of me... yet my trust of him and myself, always carried me 
through.
I did not have such an experience in meeting JJ Dewey. I read the book, and had an identity 
with John the Beloved, because of meeting him in consciousness many years ago. So I had 
common ground with JJ, and thus followed that interest. I enjoyed the 'teachings' as put forward, 
found great interest in some which I expressed of course!
Yet I feel no wiser, in evaluating the teacher or whether this is even important, although 
stated by JJ in earlier posts that it was, that indeed he desired to in a sense prove his authority as 
a teacher.
That would be proved through soul to soul communication. And for whatever reason, that 
has not occurred for me. I did not have the personal experiences that Rick, Glenys and many 
others had in communicating off-line with JJ, in starting the list.
So what becomes the criteria for evaluting the teacher JJ, apart from the definition of good 
and evil. What would I be looking for to determine my choice to be a student? And could I also 
ask what you are looking for in your students, those that you would select?
I have sought to apply these teachings to this question, since I did not have an instant soul 
recognition and soul trust. That does not mean to say I do not find value in the teachings, or 
interest. I have and do. And what is the correct procedure for a student when there is a soul 
warning bell... what does the student then do to wisely test the teacher?
And also does one need to feel a NEED for a teacher, or is interest enough?
If someone can direct me to pertinent posts in the archives, please do, I read probably 90% 
of the archives early last year.
Celebrating the Joy of Life, ZIA

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9783
From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: Re: [Sterling] Fw: "The Two Messiahs"?
Melchiz?edek (king of righteousness), king of Salem and priest of the most high God, who 
met Abram in the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's valley, brought out bread and wine, 
blessed him, and received tithes from him. Gen. 14:18-20.
The other places in which Melchizedek is mentioned are Ps. 110:4, where Messiah is 
described as a priest forever, "after the order of Melchizedek," and Heb. 5, 6, 7, where these two 
passages of the Old Testament are quoted, and the typical relation of Melchizedek to our Lord is 
stated at great length.
There is something surprising and mysterious in the first appearance of Melchizedek, and in 
the subsequent reference to him.
Bearing a title which Jews in after ages would recognize as designating their own sovereign, 
bearing gifts which recall to Christians the Lord's Supper, this Canaanite crosses for a moment 
the path of Abram, and is unhesitatingly recognized as a person of higher spiritual rank than the 
friend of God.
Disappearing as suddenly as he came, he is lost to the sacred writings for a thousand years.
Jewish tradition pronounces Melchizedek to be a survivor of the deluge, the patriarch Shem.
The way in which he is mentioned in Genesis would rather lead to the inference that 
Melchizedek was of one blood with the children of Ham, among whom he lived, chief (like the 
king of Sodom) of a settled Canaanitish tribe.
The "order of Melchizedek," in Ps. 110:4, is explained to mean "manner" = likeness in official 
dignity = a king and priest.
The relation between Melchizedek and Christ as type and antitype is made in the Epistle to 
the Hebrews to consist in the following particulars:
Each was a priest,
(1) not of the Levitical tribe;
(2) superior to Abraham;
(3) whose beginning and end are unknown;
(4) who is not only a priest,
but also a king of righteousness and peace.
Christopher Wynter

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-09/9784
From: "Sterling D. Allan"
Subject: Re: [Sterling] Fw: "The Two Messiahs"?
The Joseph Smith Translation/Inspired version of the bible gives additional understanding 
about Melchizedek, such as in JST-Gen. 14:25-40.
"And Melchizedek lifted up his voice and blessed Abram. "Now Melchizedek was a man of 
faith, who wrought righteousness; and when a child he feared God, and stopped the mouths of 
lions, and quenched the violence of fire. And thus, having been approved of God, he was 
ordained an high priest after the order of the covenant which God made with Enoch, it being after 
the order of the Son of God; which order came, not by man, nor the will of man, neither by father 
nor mother; neither by beginning of days nor end of years; but of God; and it was delivered unto 
men by the calling of his own voice, according to his own will, unto as many as believed on his 
name.
"For God having sworn unto Enoch and unto his seed with an oath by himself; that every 
one being ordained after this order and calling should have power, by faith, to break mountains, 
to divide the seas, to dry up waters, to turn them out of their course; to put at defiance the armies 
of nations, to divide the earth, to break every band, to stand in the presence of God; to do all 
things according to his will, according to his command, subdue principalities and power; and this 
by the will of the Son of God which was from before the foundation of the world.
"And men having this faith, coming up unto this order of God, were translated and taken up 
into heaven.
"And now, Melchizedek was a priest of this order; therefore he obtained peace in Salem, and 
was called the Prince of peace. A "and his people wrought righteousness, and obtained heaven, 
and sought for the city of Enoch which God had before taken, separating it from the earth, having 
reserved it unto the latter days, or the end of the world; and hath said, and sworn with an oath, 
that the heavens and the earth should come together; and the sons of God should be tried so as 
by fire.
"And this Melchizedek, having thus established righteousness, was called the king of heaven 
by his people, or, in other words, the King of peace. And he lifted up his voice, and he blessed 
Abram, being the high priest, and the keeper of the storehouse of God; him whom God had 
appointed to receive tithes for the poor. Wherefore, Abram paid unto him tithes of all that he had, 
of all the riches which he possessed, which God had given him more than which he had need. 
And it came to pass that God blessed Abram, and gave unto him riches, and honor, and lands for 
an everlasting possession; according to the covenant which he had made, and according to the 
blessing wherewith Melchizedek had blessed him."
Pretty amazing stuff. No wonder we love Joseph Smith and honor him as having been a 
prophet, seer, and revelator.
Melchizedek (king of righteousness), ...

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9785
From: J J Dewey
Subject: The Mystery of Christ and His Coming
Sterling brings up a question that I feel I should respond to right away or else some of our 
new members may be quite perplexed. He writes:
"J.J. in going through a few more archives, my eye caught one called "The Two Messiahs" 
(below)."
I must say that this one is very radical and could be a breaking point for me in determining if 
you are pseudo/anti or if you are for real commissioned of God. You are going to need to do 
some pretty fancy explaining on this one.
"My reading of the scriptures and the witness born repeatedly in my soul is that Jesus Christ 
was the very son of God, the only begotten in the flesh, meaning that he had a mortal mother, 
Mary; and his sire, through the interposition of the Holy Ghost, was Heavenly Father. This is the 
final testimony that is given of him by John in the gospel of John, and it is confirmed in the Book 
of Mormon (John 1:18, 34, 49; 3:18, 6:69; 10:36; 11:27; 20:31; 1 Ne. 10:17; 11:6, 7, 18, 21, 24, 
32; 1 Ne. 13:40; II Ne. 25:16, etc..)."
John 20:
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in 
this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that 
believing ye might have life through his name.
1 Nephi 13:40
And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records [Book of Mormon], which thou hast 
seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first [the Bible], which are of the twelve 
apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been 
taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb 
of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come 
unto him, or they cannot be saved.
"These are not just isolated verses. They are text mission statement verses."
"How does what you say below coincide with this most crucial of facets of Jesus the Christ?"
"To me it is the height of occultism to suggest that Jesus ("Joshua") was possessed of 
another spirit ("Melchizedek," the Christ element, according to you) from the time he was 
baptized, and that these two "entities" will manifest as separate personages in these last days. 
Furthermore, to suggest that Jesus was merely an incarnation of Joshua, Moses' successor, 
defies the teaching that he was the literal son of God."
"The highest I know, from all my experience and learning, the very core of my conviction, 
centers around Jesus as the Christ, the Savior of mankind, the Son of God."
"How answer you?   Sterling"
Here's my answer. I hope you will do your best to read it in the light of the Spirit within.
The Mystery of Christ and His Coming
The greatest mystery man of all time is, of course, Jesus himself. What is his history? There 
is not a lot of information in the scriptures about his past, but there is some. For instance we read: 
"And John saw and bore record of the fullness of my glory, and the fullness of John's record is 
hereafter to be revealed. And he bore record saying: I saw his glory, that he was in the beginning, 
before the world was. (In other words before the "age" was or before the days of Adam.) 
Therefore, in the beginning the Word was, for he was the Word, EVEN THE MESSENGER OF' 
SALVATION" D&C 93:6-8. Thus we see that in the dawn of time here on the earth that Christ was 
one who was called the "messenger of Salvation." It is quite obvious that he must have had many 
lives of service to become what he was when he appeared to the Jews.
The scripture continues: "And I, John, saw that he received not of the fullness at first, (In his 
first life), but received grace for grace; and he received not of the fullness at first, but continued 
from grace to grace, (life to life), until he received a fullness; And thus he was called the Son of 
God, because he received not of the fullness at first... I give you these sayings that you may 
understand and know how to worship, and know what you worship, (That is he, the Christ, is a 
man like unto ourselves, but with more experience), that ye may come unto the Father in my 
name, and in due time (after sufficient incarnations) receive of his fullness... He that keepeth his 
commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and knoweth all things." D&C 
93:12-14,19,28.
The scriptures make it obvious that Jesus lived more than one short life of thirty-three years: 
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but 
WAS IN ALL POINTS TEMPTED LIKE AS WE ARE yet without sin." Heb 4:15. Before I accepted 
the doctrine of reincarnation I often wondered how Jesus could have been tempted in all points 
as I have been for I have often thought that I have been in many circumstances that he could not 
have been in, but now we can see how this scripture is actually true that during his long probation 
of lives he has been tempted in every way possible and came off victorious in his last life without 
sin. Now we can have much more application for another scripture: "For in that he himself hath 
suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted." Heb 2:18. Now we see that 
he is able to succor us because in his vast experience he has undergone every temptation 
imaginable. We see that "though he were a Son, get learned he obedience by the things which he 
suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that 
obey him." Heb 5;9-10
Now we can apply a larger perspective to the interpretation of this scripture. Christ learned 
obedience by the things which be suffered in past lives. His suffering in his life as the Christ took 
place after he was already perfected, but he learned obedience by the things which he suffered in 
past lives which prepared him for a life as the Son of God. We are told that after he learned 
obedience by suffering that he was "made perfect" and "became the author of eternal salvation". 
What does this mean, and what is perfection?
Perfection seems to mean different things to different people, and from a human standpoint 
it could be defined as the highest idea of any individual. But since the highest ideal of each 
individual is somewhat different, then perfection would be different for almost everyone. For 
instance Jesus was by no means perfect in the eyes of the learned Pharisees and Scribes. They 
thought the perfect Messiah would idolize their law and traditions as they themselves did. The 
Christian world in the days of Joseph Smith thought he was far from perfect for they thought a 
prophet should be very pious. Of course, he did not live up to this standard and even many 
converts were disappointed when they met him. Joseph once said that if Jesus himself were with 
them they would find many faults with him.
Thus we come to a question. If perfection by human standards is the highest ideal of an 
individual, is there any such thing as real perfection? After all, no matter how high a person's 
ideal is, there is yet another higher throughout all eternity. There is no limit to a person's will to 
good. Unfortunately when something higher than a person's ideal is presented, the individual 
cannot recognize it unless he elevates his thoughts and unless he does this the person will stand 
in absolute blindness when faced with the greater reality, a blindness so great that nothing from 
without can penetrate it. Thus the Jews were completely ignorant to the fact that Jesus 
represented a greater reality. They thought he was less than perfection and presented a threat to 
their perfection; thus they sought to destroy him. Would this mean that there is a greater reality 
than Christ? Yes, and he admitted it for he said: "My Father is greater than I am." John 14:28 
Jesus was able to recognize one greater than himself, but the Jews could not and this was why 
they were condemned. They saw perfection as only their highest ideal and could not accept the 
fact that there was nothing higher and were called "the blind that lead the blind and both shall fall 
in the ditch". The first step toward eternal progression is to remove this blindness and always be 
"opened" to the possibility that there may be somewhere out there a greater reality than we have 
ever before imagined. Many who read this will be amazed a few years down the road of all of the 
greater realities they will discover.
Taking the above logic into consideration we may safely conclude that perfection as it is 
understood by humanity is an illusion and does not really exist, for there is no ultimate in 
achievement. Even as far as Christ is concerned, he is just a junior achiever in relation to his 
Father, and his Father is a mere junior executive in comparison to the Gods above him for his 
Father's main responsibility is this planet whereas other's govern solar systems and galaxies and 
have a consciousness above anything that can be imagined even by Christ himself.
If this is so then what is meant by the scripture which tells us that he was "made perfect?" To 
understand this we must examine the Greek. 'The words "made perfect" are translated from the 
Greek word TELEIOO which really has little to do with perfection as we understand it. As a matter 
of fact there is no Greek or Hebrew equivalent for the English word perfection as it is applied to 
deity for they had enough common sense to realize that such a word was meaningless. The word 
TELEIOO is more appropriately translated as "finish, fulfill, or consummate" and in the text of this 
scripture it implies "To accomplish an assigned mission" Jesus himself used this word in a similar 
context when he said: "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish (From the 
Greek TELEIOO) his work." John 4:34. Paul also said: "Neither count I my life dear unto myself, 
so that I might finish (TELEIOO) my course with joy." Acts 20:24.
Thus we see that after the Christ had finished his assigned task that he became the author 
of "eternal salvation". These are another interesting pair of words for neither one of them mean 
what they seem. "Eternal" comes from the Greek AIONIOS which can mean one of three things: 
(1) Something which can last for an age or a long period of time. (2) Having an ageless quality or 
(3) At the end of an age. One has to look at the content to see how the word was intended to be 
used and the key is given in the word salvation which comes from the word SOTERIA which is 
more correctly rendered "deliverance" or "rescue". An equivalent Hebrew word is used in Joel: 
"And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood and fire, and pillars of smoke. 
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day 
of the Lord come. And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME 
OF THE LORD SHALL BE DELIVERED (saved): for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be 
deliverance, the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." Joel 2:30-32 Here 
we see that this word is used to indicate a deliverance at the end of the age. We see that the 
righteous will be "saved" from the calamities which will come upon the world.
Taking this into consideration let us retranslate the phrase:: "And being made perfect, He 
became the author of eternal salvation unto all that obey him." It could be more correctly 
rendered: "And completing the work which was expected of him he made possible our 
deliverance at the end of the age." In other words the work of the Christ made possible and 
paved the way for our deliverance at this time thousands of years later. Of course, the prophets 
were concerned about a deliverance from evil at the end of the age for they knew they would still 
be around and were willing to persevere until then.
Before we can appreciate who Jesus was in previous lives we must understand who he was 
when he lived his life as the Christ. Many there are who think they understand this, yet are far 
from the truth, for the real truth is so fantastic that the average man could not even keep the 
thought in his mind for one minutes consideration; nevertheless, even the truth of this great 
matter is in the scriptures. The truth lies in that great statement by Jesus when he said: "I and My 
Father are one... the Father is in me, and I in him." John 10:30, & 38
Does this mean that the Father and the Son are merely one in purpose, or does the meaning 
go much deeper than this?
As we examine the scriptures we see that the meaning is far different than imagined for John 
gives us a leading clue: "This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred 
before me: for he was before me. AND I KNEW HIM NOT: but that he should be made manifest 
to Israel, therefore am I coming baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the 
Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. and I knew him not: but he 
that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, UPON WHOM THOU SHALT SEE 
THE SPIRIT DESCENDING AND REMAINING ON HIM, THE SAME IS HE WHICH BAPTIZETH 
WITH 'THE HOLY GHOST. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God." John 1:30-
34.
 This scripture raises several interesting questions. First why was it that John the Baptist and 
Jesus were cousins, yet John said of Jesus "I knew him not". You would think that if anyone knew 
that Jesus was the Christ that it would have been John for he was preparing the way for his own 
cousin!' You would have thought that Mary and Joseph would have explained to the forerunner 
that their son was the Son of God. Why was it that God himself had to identify the Son of God to 
John?
The startling answer is that before Jesus was baptized by John in Jordan, the Son of God 
was not on the earth, but John was aware of how he was to come and he was awaiting 
verification of this from God. Jesus was the reincarnation of Joshua from the days of Moses but 
John and others were awaiting the presence of one far greater than him, and none were positive 
as to who it was that was going to receive this great entity in what we may want to call a divine 
possession, but a possession that was completely voluntary. We may more correctly call it an 
overshadowing presence.
John knew through the Spirit that the Son of God was to be revealed through the ordinances 
he was performing and he was awaiting that final confirmation when he would see the Spirit 
descend and "remain" with some holy man. When this finally happened with his cousin Jesus he 
"saw and bare record that this is the Son of God." Who then was the Son of God? It was the Spirit 
that John saw descending on Jesus. This entity was of such a high order that a pure body had to 
be prepared for him, for could not at that time incarnate directly among the Sons of Men. Thus 
after this great Spirit descended and "remained" with Jesus he became "one" with the Father 
within him and received great power and always gave recognition to that Spirit and for three great 
years Jesus and the Son of God shared the same body. However, because of his great sacrifices 
Jesus has become known as the Son of God whereas the Spirit within him is usually referred to 
as the "Father" for they had a Father-Son relationship.
The Book of Mormon seems to identify two entities here: "I would that ye should understand 
that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. And 
because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to 
the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son- The Father, because he was conceived by 
the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son- And 
THEY ARE ONE God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and earth. and thus the flesh 
(Jesus) becoming subject to the Spirit (Christ), or the Son to the Father..." Mosiah 15:1-5.
The meanings to these scriptures have even more depth than we are discussing so one 
must keep in mind that we are discussing one aspect of truth here.
The Doctrine and Covenants gives us further enlightenment on this doctrine: "I Am in the 
Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one. The Father because he gave me of 
his fullness, (The Spirit descended on him), and the Son because I was in the world and made 
flesh my tabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men. I was in the world and received of my 
Father, AND THE WORKS OF HIM WERE PLAINLY MANIFEST. And John saw and bore record 
of the fullness of my glory, and the fullness of John's record is hereafter to be revealed." D&C 
93:3-6 Why couldn't the fullness of John's record be revealed earlier? Why couldn't even Joseph 
Smith reveal it? Because the people were not prepared and scarcely are today, for when the 
fullness of the record of John is revealed it will undoubtedly reveal this doctrine, and who could 
abide such a revelation?
The scripture continues: "And I, John, bear record that he received a fullness of the glory of 
the Father; And he received all power both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father 
was with him, FOR HE DWELT IN HIM." D&C 93:16-17
A careful reading of these scriptures will reveal that the meaning is literal as well as 
figurative. For instance Jesus said "My Father is greater than I." John 14:28. At one time Jesus 
tried to explain to his disciples that he was not working alone, that his power was not his alone, 
but was coming from another higher entity who he called the "Father". He said to his disciples: "If 
ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and 
have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith 
unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT 
HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you 
I speak not of myself: But THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOTH THE WORKS." 
John 14:7-10
Why was it that Jesus said that the Father was greater than himself if whoever saw him also 
saw the Father? The two statements are definitely contradictory with any other explanation 
except the one presented here. If they are one being then one cannot be greater than the other, 
but if they were two spirits co-existing in the same body then the. statement can make sense. In 
fact, if one will read all the scriptures concerning oneness in this light he will see this as a master 
key to a great mystery.
Mormons feel that both the Father and the Son look alike physically and that is why Jesus 
said "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father", but when one reads the whole scripture he will 
see that Jesus was not teaching this principle, even though it may be true. For instance, a few 
verses later Jesus tells us that they have seen the Father because the Father was in him, not 
because they both looked alike. He even went so far as to say that it was not him that did the 
great works they saw, but the Father, "he doeth the works".
There are numerous other scriptures that bear witness to the dual occupancy of the body of 
Jesus. One of the greatest was in response to a legitimate accusation of the Pharisees against 
the testimony of the mission of Jesus: "The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest 
record of thyself; thy record is not true." John 8:13 In making this statement they were referring to 
their law which said: "At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the 
matter be established." Deut. 19:15 This was repeated by Paul: "In the mouth of two or three 
witnesses shall every word be established." II Cor 13:1
Jesus gave an interesting response: "Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: 
for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: FOR I AM NOT 
ALONE, BUT I AND THE FATHER THAT SENT ME.. It is also written in your law, that the 
testimony of TWO MEN is true. I am one that beareth witness of myself, AND the Father that sent 
me beareth witness of me." John 8:14-18
Here Jesus claims that he was fulfilling the law of establishing the truth of his mission with 
the witness of "two men" for he clearly stated "I am not alone". Where then was the other man? 
This is what the Jews wondered for they asked him: "Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye 
neither know me, nor my Father: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also." 
John 8:19
Later they asked him again: "Who art thou?" and he told them: "I do nothing of myself; but as 
my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me IS WITH ME: THE FATHER 
HATH NOT LEFT ME ALONE... I speak that which I have seen with my Father..." John 8:25,28-
29 & 38.
Along this same line he also said: "The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the 
Father do: For what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise...I can of mine own 
self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but 
the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There 
IS ANOTHER THAT BEARETH WITNESS OF ME." John 5:19,30-32.
This dual occupancy is called an "overshadowing" by some teachers of the race. The Spirit 
of Christ overshadowed the body of Jesus, and Jesus was in such harmony with the Christ that 
he always did what was communicated to him because he realized the Christ was a higher 
intelligence. A rather inaccurate example, but the best available would be that of a scientist 
putting an implant within the brain of a friend that he wants to fill a mission for him. This implant 
allows the scientist to reproduce on a television screen all that his friend sees through his eyes. 
He is also capable of reading all of his thoughts as well as sending his own to his friend. He 
sends his friend on a dangerous, but important mission to a ruthless and savage people, but 
promises him that he will be with him and provide safety with his greater knowledge and will tell 
him what to do. Thus whenever the friend encounters a situation he cannot handle the scientist 
tells him the words to say and they are not the man's words, but the scientist's. The scientist 
decides to impress the barbarians with a few miracles so he tells his friend to do some impressive 
things like walking on water for example. The friend does not fear for he knows the scientist will 
help him with his super scientific knowledge and reverse gravity for him. Then he will tells others 
that the works he does are not his, but the one who sent him but they do not understand.
It is a true principle that the tactics used by evil entities are a mere distorted reflection of 
divine action. This is true as far as demonic possession goes. It is but a copy of divine 
possession, except the difference is that evil takes away free agency and God always works with 
complete freedom of action.
What happened in the dual possession of the body of Jesus will also happen with a number 
of others before the Christ walks among us again in the flesh, except this time he will come in 
greater glory, for this time he may eventually come in a body which is entirely his own, but before 
this can occur there will be a number of temporary overshadowings. Jesus said: "If any man hear 
my voice, and open the door, I WILL COME INTO HIM, and will sup with him, and he with me. To 
him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne, EVEN AS I ALSO OVERCAME, and 
am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev. 3:20-21.
If we are to overcome by having one such as the Christ enter into us and Jesus overcame in 
the same way, then Jesus would have had to have a second entity of higher spiritual standing 
come into him as part of the eternal process.
He also said: "And my Father and I are one. I am in the Father and the Father in Me; and 
inasmuch as ye have received me, ye are in me and I IN YOU. Wherefore, I am in your midst, 
and am the good shepherd, and the stone of Israel. He that buildeth on this rock shall never fall. 
And the day cometh that you SHALL HEAR MY VOICE, and know that I am. Watch therefore, 
that ye may be ready. Even so. Amen." D&C 50:43-46.
Here we have prophesies that we shall someday experience an overshadowing as Jesus did 
if we are worthy. They are actually prophesies that refer to the first stage of the second coming 
for the second takes place in three steps.
The second coming of Christ has to be the most misunderstood doctrine in all Christendom 
for there is not one of the sects that is even halfway preparing for it correctly and where the Christ 
comes again he will again find his greatest response from the same type of people who received 
him the last time: The non religious people, and people who were ostracized from the normal 
religious community.
When Jesus was with the twelve they asked him: "What shall be the sign of thy coming and 
of the end of the World"(Greek: Age)? The word "coming" comes from the Greek PAROUSIA 
which more correctly is translated as "presence". This word is used by Paul to demonstrate this: 
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence (PAROUSIA) only, 
but now much more in my absence." Phil 2:12 Thus we see that PAROUSIA means the opposite 
of "absence". The word can also be translated as "nearness". Thus we see that the signs given in 
Matthew chapter twenty-four are indications of the nearness or the presence of Christ
The three stages of the coming of Christ are:
(1) The teaching and introduction of the Christ Consciousness. The lifting up of the Son of Man or 
the Christ consciousness in a large group of people.
(2) The partial and/or complete overshadowing of certain disciples and groups.
(3) The appearance of Christ himself in a physical body
The second step is the beginning of the presence of the entity who is Christ on the earth for 
He shall indeed be present even though it may not be in a body of his own to start with, and this 
event is actually prophesied of in the scriptures themselves.
A careful reading of Zechariah will reveal that the persons mentioned as Joshua and 
Zerubbabel are representative of the Christ. Keeping this in mind let us read: "Hear now, O 
Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: 
for I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; 
upon one stone shall be SEVEN EYES, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of Hosts, 
and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day." Zech 3:8-9
Here we have mention of Joshua who is Jesus and the stone which is laid before him who 
was the overshadowing Christ, the stone of Israel. Then there is the servant, the BRANCH who is 
the one like Moses. Finally there is a group of disciples who are "wondered at." These persons 
are the seven eyes of the stone of Israel or the Christ. They are seven entities who shall 
experience the overshadowing presence of Christ as Jesus did. We see that when this will 
happen that the Lord will remove the iniquity out of the land. Thus it is obvious that it shall occur 
near the beginning of the new age of peace.
The seven eyes are mentioned again in the next chapter; "For who hath despised the day of 
small things? For they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with 
those seven, they are the eyes of the Lord, WHICH RUN TO AND FRO THROUGH THE WHOLE 
EARTH." Zech 4:10.
We find another mention of this in the Book of Revelation: "And in the midst of the elders, 
stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven 
Spirits of God SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH." Rev 5:6
 Seven men are mentioned in another prophecy concerning Christ: "But thou, Bethlehem 
Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth 
unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; (Christ) whose goings forth have been from of old, from 
everlasting. (He has the experience of many lifetimes.)...And this man shall be the peace, when 
the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then we shall raise 
against him SEVEN SHEPHERDS, and eight principle men." Micah 5:2 & 5
We see from these scriptures that there will be seven men raised up in the last days who will 
be called the eyes of the Lord and will run to and fro through the earth and finally that they will 
assist the Christ in driving back the Assyrian or the Anti-Christ forces. Altogether there will be 
eight principle men if we include the Christ. They will be men of wonder because these seven 
men will be overshadowed and will fulfill the prophecy of doing even greater things than Jesus did 
because the Christ will come in unto them and sup with them and the Christ has even more 
wisdom, experience and power than he had two thousand years ago so we can look forward to 
great things ahead.
Christ will use these seven entities as seven projections of his presence through the 
assistance of other Masters in his group. His spirit will shift from one person to another as His 
overshadowing presence is needed and will produce a tremendous effect as if there were a group 
of saviors on the earth.
The second stage in the presence of Christ involves a larger group of disciples wherein the 
Christ within them will be manifest on a larger scale. These disciples will try and fulfill the 
commandment given by Paul: "Let this mind BE IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who 
being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God." Phil 2:5 In speaking of 
himself and faithful disciples he said: "But we have the mind of Christ." I Cor 2:16
Many people quote these scriptures, but few believe them. If we really have the mind of 
Christ then we will find that all of the scriptures that apply to Jesus also apply to us. For instance, 
Jesus said: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even 
the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:13. We are also Sons of God who will ascend into 
heaven who have in the beginning came from heaven.
Jesus continues: "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the 
Son of man be lifted up." John 3:14
It is true that this corresponds to his death on the cross, but he also wanted to illustrate that 
each man should have the Son of man, or the mind of Christ lifted up within him so that "when he 
shall appear we shall be like him". I John 3;2
Next Jesus said: "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him 
should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:15-16.
Not only should we believe the words and works of Jesus, but we must believe in and have 
faith in the Son of God that dwells within us. If we do this we can have everlasting life and life at 
the end of the age or in the age of peace. The Son of God that can be lifted up within every man 
forms a part of ''Christ, the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is ONE Eternal 
God." Thus when we lift up the Son of Man within ourselves we also become the Only Begotten 
Son for we are an extension of the only Son there is for all the sons of men share a oneness that 
few can realize. Paul tried to teach the real Christ when he said: ''For as the body is one, and 
hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: SO 
ALSO IS CHRIST...Now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular." I Cor 12:12&27.
Thus we see that Christ is an office that is composed of all those who take upon themselves 
his name. Everyone who listens to the sacrament prayer should be aware of this principle for we 
are told to "eat in remembrance of the BODY of thy Son (Which body is composed of many 
members), and witness unto thee, O God the eternal Father, THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO 
TAKE UPON THEM THE NAME OF THY SON..." Moroni 4:3.
To take upon ourselves the name of the Son means a lot more than remembering the works 
of another man however great he is. It means that we are to have the mind of Christ within us and 
to not think it mockery to be equal with God or to be a "savior on Mount Zion", or a Christ. This 
principle is illustrated numerous times in the scriptures. For instance: "And under this head ye are 
made free, and there is no other head whereby ye can be made free. There is no other name 
given whereby salvation cometh; therefore, I would that ye should TAKE UPON YOU THE NAME 
OF CHRIST all you that have entered into the covenant with God that ye should be obedient unto 
the end of your lives. And it shall come to pass that whosoever doeth this shall be found at the 
right hand of God, for he shall know the name by which he is called; FOR HE SHALL BE 
CALLED BY THE NAME OF CHRIST. And now it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall not 
take upon him the name of Christ must be called by some other name; therefore, he findeth 
himself on the left hand of God." Mosiah 5:8-10.
Jesus repeated this doctrine when he visited the Nephites: "Have they not read the 
scriptures, which say ye must take upon you the name of Christ, which is my name? For by this 
name SHALL YE BE CALLED at the last day." III Nephi 27:5 Again this is repeated in modern 
revelation: "Wherefore all men must take upon them the name which is given of the Father, for in 
that name SHALL THEY BE CALLED at the last day." D&C 18:24
We shall all bear the name of Christ if we are worthy and share the title of the only begotten. 
We are many members, but one body, "and the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive 
their inheritance and BE MADE EQUAL WITH HIM." D&C 88:107
If we lift up the Son of Man in us as Jesus did we will indeed eventually be made equal with 
him.
In speaking of this group of disciples Nephi said: "I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, 
who were the saints of God (Not necessarily the members of any denomination), were also upon 
all the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small... And it came 
to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of 
the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord (those who take upon 
themselves his name), who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed 
with righteousness and WITH THE POWER OF GOD in great glory." I Nephi 14:12-14.
What does it mean when it tells us that the saints of God will go forward with power and in 
great glory? Nephi gives us a perfect example when he prophesied of the mission of Jesus: "And 
I beheld that he went forth ministering unto the people in power and great glory." I Nephi 11:28
Thus we may safely conclude that when the righteous in the latter days go forth with power 
and great glory they will go forth as saviors on mount Zion and do the works of Jesus, and 
possibly the greater works that he spoke of because they have lifted up the Son of man within 
themselves to reveal their true state as Sons of God.
The third stage of the second coming is the actual reappearance of the Christ himself. We 
say reappearance because he has not been gone to some far off heaven, but has been working 
right here on the earth for the past two thousand years for did he not say: "and lo, I am with you 
alway, even unto the end of the world (from the Greek AION)which means "Age." Matt 28:20.
The Christ told us that he would be with us to the end of the age and he has fulfilled that 
promise by not leaving the earth, for this is the field of his mission, for at present he has no 
stewardship on other worlds, even though the position of the Christ ministers to all worlds.
Christ has had numerous previous lives and many were great, and noble ones, but he has 
not worked among men in the- flesh since the days of Jesus. He has done much work in 
organizing a nucleus kingdom of heaven right here on the earth with a group of resurrected 
beings he calls the Spiritual Hierarchy of the Earth. He and other Masters of the resurrection work 
constantly with mankind inspiring them to do good and laying foundations which will eventually 
produce peace on the earth.
Some people believe that Christ was Buddha in a past life, but he was not. Buddha was a 
separate entity who was sent to help bring enough enlightenment to mankind so they could 
accept his message of love, brought by the Christ. Christ was however Krishna in a past life who 
was the founder of Hinduism. Many of his acts and words are recorded in the BHAGAVAD-GITA.
Many also believe that Christ was Melchizedek and there are some indications of this in the 
scriptures. For instance, we are told that the Priesthood was changed in ancient times from the 
Priesthood after the order of the Son of God to Melchizedek making Melchizedek synonymous 
with the Son of God. Melchizedek was the Christ who was overshadowed by for the Ancient of 
days, or the first Adam to come to the earth. The first Adam is an even higher entity than the 
Christ for he has already been a savior on another world before he came to the earth. He has 
power to create a physical body an the earth at will) which in the east is called a MAYAVIRUPA. 
Thus when he appeared on the earth as Melchizedek be became the "King of Salem, which is, 
King of peace; without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, 
nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." Heb 7:2-3 Even 
though Joseph Smith said that this scripture was speaking of the Priesthood and it would also be 
true of the Ancient of Days for he has no father or mother in this world. It was revealed to me that 
when Abraham's name was changed from Abram to Abraham that he was overshadowed by a 
higher being. Even so the person who owned the body of Melchizedek was Christ and he was 
overshadowed by Adam, or Melchizedek, for it is written of him (Melchizedek): "Now there were 
many before him, and also there were many afterwards, but none were greater." Alma 13:19
 Before Christ will come again in a physical body the first two steps have to be fulfilled as we have 
discussed. There has to be people spiritually prepared to meet him and since reincarnation is one 
of the more simple doctrines he will teach we can see that there would be few ready to accept 
him with opened arms, especially among the Christian world. It is written: "When the Lord shall 
build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory." Psalms 102:16 Thus we see that a Zion condition will 
precede his coming and not be the result of it.
When he appears this time he will not be the Jewish Messiah, for a lesser Avatar will appear 
to them, but he will fulfill the Messianic predictions of many of the major religions from Christianity 
to Moslem, to Hindu to the Buddhist and this time he will not share a body with a disciple, but will 
have one of his own. Most probably he will create a MAYAVIRUPA and appear among men as an 
ordinary mortal at first as he did with Jesus.
At this point one would tend to object and say that the scriptures tell us that he will appear in 
power and great glory, but remember that is how Nephi prophesied that he would come the 
FIRST time, and this misinterpretation is the reason that the Jews failed to recognize him and is 
the reason many will fail to recognize him when he comes again. This is why it is written in the 
scriptures concerning the slothful: "And the Lord of that servant shall come in a day when he 
looketh not for him, and in an hour THAT HE IS NOT AWARE." Matt 24:50 In other words many 
supposed disciples will meet and see the Christ and not even be aware of him. Indeed, we are 
told that the righteous "shall be looking forth for the signs of my coming, AND SHALL KNOW 
ME." D&C 39:23 Most people believe they will know Christ whether they are righteous or not 
because the physical glory will make it obvious. They are not aware that the great glory will be 
spiritual as it was the first time and only the righteous shall "know" him. There will indeed be 
"weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth among the deceived who will not recognize their Lord 
whom they professed to know as the five foolish virgins hoped to be ready for the bridegroom.
When he comes it will be much different and more natural than any Christian dreams and, as 
it was last time, the less pious among the people will be the ones who will be his greatest 
disciples, whereas most orthodox Christians will reject him. This is as he anticipates.
When he comes, even though it will be of a different nature than people expect, it will be 
found that all the scriptures regarding his coming is accurate, but will be interpreted in a different 
light just as they were with his first appearance.
When he is here he will not fly around like a bird, but will use airplane like everyone else and 
thus "he will come in the clouds". When he begins to attract attention he will be seen on television 
and "every eye will see him". He will also bring with him the "holy angels." The Greek for Angel 
means messenger. Thus Christ will bring with him other great disciples who will work with him.
Because of the nature of his coming the Lord has put much stress on readiness so we car. 
recognize him and assist him in his mighty work. We are told to "be faithful, praying always, 
having your lamps trimmed and burning, and oil with you (That is be filled with the Spirit), that you 
may be ready at the coming of the Bride groom." D&C 33:17 Also Jesus said "Therefore, be ye 
also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." Matt 24:44 Again Jesus 
said: "I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shall not know what hour I will come upon thee." 
Rev 3:3
In other words if we are not ready and watching and seeking the Christ may pass us by and 
we may not even be aware which hour it was we saw him.
The time is at hand when the days of marvelous works and wonders are to appear and these 
writings are to help prepare the lights to awaken so they can receive the marvelous things to 
come, for unless they awaken and be aware Christ will come as a thief and pass them by. Let us 
be among the wise virgins who have oil in their lamps, or the Holy Spirit in us, so we do not lean 
on the arm of flesh and can be like prophets and not let the scoffing of men bother us so we can 
follow the light within which will lead to a recognition of the Christ. All the lights without are merely 
blinding lights that confuse and distort; therefore, let your eye be single that ye may be filled with 
light that "when he shall appear we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2 
"Wherefore marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you on the 
earth." D&C 27:5
Yes, it would be-nice to sit down and have a drink with the Christ, our Elder Brother. And 
some of us will do just that.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9786
From: J J Dewey
Subject: Evaluating the Teacher
Zia writes: "When I met the Ram, it was on a video tape in Australia... and the tears of joy 
ran down my face as I listened and watched for I recognized him totally. It put me into a state of 
bliss for three days. There was no shred of doubt in me of him. And his words and teachings for 
nearly 20 years never had a ring of doubt in me, they inspired me. My body-mind-consciousness 
may not have wanted to do all that was asked of me... yet my trust of him and myself, always 
carried me through.
"So what becomes the criteria for evaluating the teacher JJ, apart from the definition of good 
and evil. What would I be looking for to determine my choice to be a student? And could I also 
ask what you are looking for in your students, those that you would select?"
JJ
Well for one thing, Zia, not all people are on the same wavelength. I'm not saying that as a 
criticism, but just as a statement of my observation. Since you are comparing me as a teacher 
with that of the Ram I thought I would make a comparison of my own.
When I saw J Z Knight channeling the Ram I experienced the opposite effect. JZ's voice 
changed, her countenance was completely altered, she became very masculine, pranced back 
and forth on the stage speaking with a booming voice as a demonstration of authority and totally 
turned me off. I was even more turned off when I learned that it cost $3000 or more to ask the 
Ram a personal question through JZ.
I also read one of her books, one of the last ones I have had time to read, and found no new 
principles in there plus many statements that were very questionable. For instance, he claims to 
have overcome all things in one short bloody warrior life.
Obviously (from my point of view) JZ is channeling an astral entity. Typical of these astral 
ones is great boasting and large financial charges.
On the other hand, all can receive my teachings for free and I give personal responses to all, 
in as much as I have time, for free.
What is the criteria for evaluating a teacher?
I have answered this many times, but if you missed it I will answer again.
Take the things the teacher says and run it by your own soul. If your soul gives you a 
positive response proceed. If you get a negative one then run. If you received a negative one on 
me then perhaps you need to follow your soul here and leave this list, of which I am an integral 
part, which seems to be bothering you so much.
What do I look for in students I select?
I am not selecting students. I teach all who select the list and come here to learn.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9787
From: Rick Audette
Subject: Re: The Mystery of Christ and His Coming
Wow,
I was in the middle of typing a post, talking about Melchizedek, asking questions about Him 
and saying what I had heard and studied about Him from non biblical sources, like the Lemurian 
Fellowship and the Stelle Group. I had only gotten a few paragraphs written when I heard the 
announcement that I had just received new mail. Normally, I ignore checking it, if I am writing, 
until I have sent what I am working on, but this time I immediately went to my inbox to see what 
had arrived. It was JJ's post about the mystery of Christ. Much of it he has posted before and yet 
there was something more to it. Something very humbling that made me want to cry and lay 
spread out, face down on the floor and beg the Lord that I may be His humble servant, if even 
only the least or lowest of these, a roadie for His band of disciples, to serve those that serve the 
Lord. I deleted what I had started to type, feeling unworthy to submit anything for consideration by 
my brothers and sisters following the message from my teacher which brought me to my knees. 
Lord, I am not worthy, but say only the word and my spirit shall be healed.
Your servant,
Rick

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9788
From: J J Dewey
Subject: Humility
Rick,
Your post and humility touched my heart. I rejoice that you read my words from the eyes of 
the soul. Thank you my friend.
I join you in your humility. That I, as imperfect as I am, could serve the Christ and effect even 
one soul for good, brings a fullness of joy to my heart. That I could teach even one principle that 
brings light to some is an honor beyond measure. That I could instill faith in any that The Christ, 
the Master, does live as an individualized entity and can come in unto us and be one with us so 
we can know that he IS, is more reward than I have ever asked for.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9789
From: J J Dewey
Subject: The List
Two of my favorite people have been going back and forth about the usefulness of this list, 
what to do about it etc. I'm speaking of the recent exchange between John W and Glenys.
I finally have a moment to make a few comments.
First, John has started a second list with a different rules than this one. He feels that there 
are those who are tired of the conflict and it would be beneficial to have a more peaceful arena to 
go to for some that are offended by conflict.
I commend John on doing this for two reasons. First he is demonstrating the power of 
initiation. He has initiated this entirely on his own with no encouragement from me or anyone 
else. He is now getting 4700 hits a week - no small accomplishment - a true sign he is on the path 
of the initiate.
Secondly, what he has initiated does fill a definite need and purpose. A list such as this one 
is not for everyone, nor is John's list for everyone - in fact my teachings are not for everyone. 
Diversity to fill the needs of all those seeking truth at their own level is always needed. Even the 
Ram, who I have no interest in, has stimulated thought in many people.
Now some think that John is doing a good thing in starting his list and some do not. That is 
fine. We are all entitled to our opinions, but let us not get in his way. Unless he is misrepresenting 
me or my teachings in some way, or doing some definite concrete harm I say let him initiate to his 
heart's content.
The power of initiation brings the power of joy in service and this I will always encourage as 
long as the path of harmlessness is followed.
Perhaps though the greatest controversy John has stirred up is through his criticism of this 
list. He has stated things such as this list has so much conflict on it that he does not want to refer 
anyone to it. There have been reports that he has encouraged some to leave this list and come to 
his list and this is viewed by some as a negative thing to do.
I personally do not care which list someone joins. I do not care if someone leaves this list 
and joins John's or leaves John's list and comes here. The important thing is that if they have a 
desire to learn that they have he opportunity to learn.
I would advise John to tread gently in his criticism of this list as it does not seem to be 
making him any new friends. On the other hand, there have been many others who have either 
left the list or are uncomfortable with it because of the conflict so I can understand why he may be 
critical.
Criticism is a funny thing. One may have the best of intentions in giving it out, but others may 
take it with great offense, much more than is intended. I have certainly found this to be the case 
myself. Sometimes I give what I think is a civil response to a challenge and later discover I have 
greatly offended someone.
I don't think John comes on this list with the idea of stepping on toes, but it is an easy thing 
for a first ray soul to do.
Remember some time ago that a conflict raged between John and several others? I asked 
him to tone it down a bit for the sake of peace and since then the nature of his posts have been 
much more mellow and less confrontational. No one has commented on this, but I have certainly 
noticed it. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to make a change in direction like that. But 
even though he has mellowed out in his postings to the list he may not be perfect yet, not am I for 
that matter, but if I know John he will work on accommodating the feelings of the majority here.
Some have talked about making this a moderated list. The thing is that John has filled this 
void and already created a moderated list. My opinion is rather than having two lists that are very 
similar is to keep this one the way it is and those who desire a moderated list can go with John.
It is true that we have some pretty strong conflicts surface now and then, but they always 
pass and new people either adjust to the flow or leave.
I keep thinking I have just about covered all major objections. I keep thinking that maybe the 
day will come that I can just name an archive post to handle any challenge from a new member, 
but new questions seem to always arise. I suppose there will always be some challenging 
questions for me to handle. I will attempt to be kinder and gentler in handling them.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9790
From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: Re: Evaluating the Teacher
JJ wrote: "Take the things the teacher says and run it by your own soul. If your soul gives 
you a positive response proceed. If you get a negative one then run. If you received a negative 
one on me then perhaps you need to follow your soul here and leave this list, of which I am an 
integral part, which seems to be bothering you so much."
"What do I look for in students I select?
"I am not selecting students. I teach all who select the list and come here to learn."
JJ ... from one who has specifically stated that his writings are a work of fiction. I find a great 
dichotomy in the above statement.
Since when is a work of fiction to be treated as a dogma ...?
I must look deeply into an uneasiness in my soul arising around one who tells a story as a 
metaphor ... and then says "you will believe what I say .. and if you don't, leave and you will not 
be part of what I promise you (fictitiously) ..."
This invokes a remembering within me of the lies and manipulation that were promulgated 
by the Romans when they took some writings and made a legend around a peasant rebel.
Christopher Wynter

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9791
From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: Re: Evaluating the Teacher .. 2
***
Although a man may be book-learned,
if he does not apply in his behaviour
what he knows,
***
He is as the blind man,
who,
even with a lamp in his hand,
cannot see the road.
***
Stanza 169 of "The Tree of Wisdom" of Nag-ajura, ca 100BC

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-11/9792
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Evaluating the Teacher
JJ has not said his 'writings' are fiction. He has said his book The Immortal is fiction and 
given us the reasons why he chose to do that (and I don't remember one of them being that The 
Immortal is a metaphor).
Anyone just needs to take a look at Samu's archives to see the vastness of JJ's writings, 
none of which he's said are fiction (except the obvious ones such as his parables).
 And how do you get from what JJ wrote that he was promoting his work - either fiction or non 
fiction - as dogma? Is there a secret code in his words that I've missed? Sterling, can you help?
Finally, JJ is not saying 'believe what I say or leave'. He is saying if your soul tells you my 
teachings aren't for you, then leaving the list may be an option for you.
You are right about the 'lies and manipulation' though, Christopher. Our only point of 
difference is who's promulgating them.
Love
Glenys
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Exits from the freeway of truth begin at a small angle.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9793
From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: Re: The List
you wrote: "I will attempt to be kinder and gentler in handling them."
The respect you show of another
is a reflection
of the respect you have of yourself
***
no more to be said
Christopher Wynter
"A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer,
it sings because it has a song."

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9794
From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: Words from the Soul of a Child
***
I am the lost and I am frightened.
***
Everywhere that I turn there are eyes watching me haunting me.
***
My waking hours are my nightmares,
 sleep my terror unleashed.
***
The fury that lashes to and fro within me will break my spirit,
 you shall soon be able to do with me what you will.
***
I cling to my inner saviour,
for there is no other who remains passive and silent in my world.
***
Each of you speaks words to me that you want to hear you say,
 you speak for yourselves and not for me.
***
Tell me the reason you speak.
***
The silence of my Christ is far more elequent
 than the harsh words spoken from need.
***
You who say I am not mad when others call me so,
 who are you to speak and inflict your truths on me.
***
My realms lay within,
 I cannot say ...
I feel you expecting my words
 so that I cannot utter them
 for they are distorted before they leave my mouth.
***
I cannot speak my truth
 for I read your mind
 and mold my truth to be spoken
 as you would have it said.
***
This is not my truth ..
 this is your interpretation of my being
 and it is not the direct being.
***
I cannot express what I am
 for when I do so
I must process myself into intellect
 for you to understand
 what you cannot feel through your soul.
Fwd from Christopher Wynter

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-11/9795
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Evaluating the Teacher .. 2
Said a disappointed visitor, "Why has my stay here yielded no fruit?"
"Could it be because you lacked the courage to shake the tree?" said the Master benignly.
Anthony de Mello, SJ
Christopher Wynter wrote:
"Although a man may be book-learned,
if he does not apply in his behaviour
what he knows,
"He is as the blind man,
who,
even with a lamp in his hand,
cannot see the road."
Stanza 169 of "The Tree of Wisdom" of Nag-ajura, ca 100BC
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Exits from the freeway of truth begin at a small angle.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9796
From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: Re: Soul to Soul Communication/obstacles
***
Words are a barrier, the invention of a race
 that has allowed their hearts
 to forget the gift of communication.
***
Words are only necessary for the logical mind.
***
Cannot a lover who lays in the arms of their partner
 feel the intensity of love?
Cannot a mother feel the cry of a baby
 before it utters a sound?
Cannot the old feel the joy of the very young
 and, in wisdom return to it?
***
Man was once a sensitive being,
a feeling being,
 relying not alone on the power of speech to communicate.
***
The power of the mind to speak is known,
but
to gauge true feeling, true depth,
to gauge truth and honesty,
it is the ability of the heart to accept or otherwise,
the truth or otherwise, the space of another.
***
Some call it intuition.
You intuitively like or dislike.
You intuitively know to trust, or not to trust.
***
If you close your mouths, utter no sound.
Feel the air around you.
Feel the space of those around you.
***
This way shall truth be revealed to you.
In this way can the barriers created by words be erased,
for how many arguments begin with 'but you said...'
***
How many wounds of Love,
how many wounds of hate
 begin with a careless spoken word,
 or with a misinterpretation of a word,
because man has lost the ability to read between the lines,
to read the vibration,
 to feel
 the truth.
Christopher Wynter

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9797
From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: Who am I
***
Will you walk with me?
 will you talk with me?
 will you love me all day long?
***
will you listen to my drivel
 when I'm old
 and begin to dribble?
***
if you wont then bugger off.
 I've no need of you
***
I will walk alone mumbling to myself,
 patting my self on the back
 telling me that I love me,
 while I talk my dribble.
***
Who am I ..?
***
I am...
 I am a politician.
Christopher Wynter

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9798
From: J J Dewey
Subject: Dogma?
Chris writes: "from one who has specifically stated that his writings are a work of fiction. I find 
a great dichotomy in the above statement. (My suggestion to run my teachings by your soul JJ)"
JJ
I have never said my teachings are fiction. Why would you jump to such a conclusion that 
has never been projected or hinted at????
Chris
Since when is a work of fiction to be treated as a dogma ...?
JJ
If you are referring to my novel (which is part fiction) it is not intended to become dogma. I do 
suggest that seekers consider all my teachings wherever they may be found and run them by 
their souls. Do you find some fault with this suggestion?
Chris
I must look deeply into an uneasiness in my soul arising around one who tells a story as a 
metaphor ... and then says "you will believe what I say .. and if you don't, leave and you will not 
be part of what I promise you (fictitiously) ..."
JJ
You are falsely using quotation marks associated with words I did not say. I have never said 
"you will believe what I say...and if you don't leave."
If you are referring to what I said to Zia, I told her she should follow her soul in relation to me. 
She has stated that her soul has told her that my teachings are not for her, thus I think she should 
not cause herself undue stress by subjecting herself to them.
If this is what you are referring to please be honest about it rather than insinuate with 
"fictional" quotes.
Chris
This invokes a remembering within me of the lies and manipulation that were promulgated 
by the Romans when they took some writings and made a legend around a peasant rebel.
JJ
So you think my book is so powerful that the world is going to make even the fictional parts 
into a Bible or build legends around it? I think you overestimate me.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9799
From: Jean
Subject: Re: The Mystery of Christ and His Coming
J.J, this is truly remarkable. Thank you for once again clearing up much for me, I guess you 
could say I feel that oneness principle, for I think I do feel the need to go back to studying the 
bible especially the revelation. Also Off topic now, how do you feel about the writer Hal Lindsey? 
He interprets the bible and such, I was thinking on reading some of his books.
Jean
My included homepage:
http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9800
From: Jean
Subject: Re: The Mystery of Christ and His Coming
Dear Rick, as I posted to J.J. Before after reading his post I too felt that feeling, it is causing 
me to want to go back and read the bible again and do some studying, I hope others on the liest 
had the same affect.
My included homepage:
http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9801
From: Jean
Subject: Re: about John Wayne
Dear J.J,
I also want to join you in commending John. He is definitely an initiate. Many times on the list 
when I have been torn or confused he has taken the time to help me understand some teachings. 
He has been very supportive on the list and very neutral about some things. I just wanted to take 
the time to say that with you.
Jean
My included homepage:
http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9802
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: Dogma?
JJ I offer my most abject apologies to you for I sent a portion of the introduction to the list on 
the SpiritWebsite and it must have been misinterpreted by some on the list to mean that you 
wrote fiction. I am very sorry.
Diane
J J Dewey wrote: "Chris writes: "from one who has specifically stated that his writings are a 
work of fiction. I find a great dichotomy in the above statement. (My suggestion to run my 
teachings by your soul JJ)"
JJ
"I have never said my teachings are fiction. Why would you jump to such a conclusion that 
has never been projected or hinted at????"
Chris
"Since when is a work of fiction to be treated as a dogma ...?"
JJ
"If you are referring to my novel (which is part fiction) it is not intended to become dogma. I 
do suggest that seekers consider all my teachings wherever they may be found and run them by 
their souls. Do you find some fault with this suggestion?"
Chris
"I must look deeply into an uneasiness in my soul arising around one who tells a story as a 
metaphor ..."
'and then says
"you will believe what I say .. and if you don't, leave and you will not be part of what I promise you 
(fictitiously) ..."
JJ
"You are falsely using quotation marks associated with words I did not say. I have never said 
"you will believe what I say...and if you don't leave."
'If you are referring to what I said to Zia, I told her she should follow her soul in relation to 
me. She has stated that her soul has told her that my teachings are not for her, thus I think she 
should not cause herself undue stress by subjecting herself to them."
"If this is what you are referring to please be honest about it rather than insinuate with 
"fictional" quotes."
Chris
"This invokes a remembering within me of the lies and manipulation that were promulgated 
by the Romans when they took some writings and made a legend around a peasant rebel."
JJ
"So you think my book is so powerful that the world is going to make even the fictional parts 
into a Bible or build legends around it? I think you overestimate me."

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9803
From: Trixie
Subject: Same - o
Dearest Keysters,
I have been on this list pretty much from the beginning - I felt I needed to qualify myself first.
After I read The Immortal two years ago I could hardly wait to hear more - and I still feel that 
way. At the time I didn't know that Book One was offered free so I bought the hardback (trying to 
come to terms with the carrot idea!) and eagerly awaited sequels.
I have been pleasantly surprised with the information I have received since that time. Maybe 
the ideas proposed by JJ are not new to others but they are to me. For example, I had heard of 
the sacred geometry involving the numbers 12 and 13 but never had it put to me as it was in 
Molecular Relationships. As long as I am receiving new information that rings true to me I will 
remain on the list.
I have to admit, however, that almost since the beginning I have pretty much exclusively 
read JJ's posts but no one else's. Occasionally I would catch one or two but there seems to have 
always been dissension on this list. And it's not even that I mind questions- all teachers must be 
questioned - it's the way it's been done. People ATTACKING one another - and this includes JJ. 
None of the posts I read were aimed at me and I found them offensive - so I hate to think what 
others involved felt. Before I send any post I ask myself "What would Love(Christ) do or say?" If I 
think what I've written passes that test - I hit the send button.
Please don't get the idea that all I'm looking for is a warm fuzzy list - that's not it either. What 
I want is a list I can learn from - and not just from JJ but from everyone without having to get 
involved with all the negative feeling people seem to have for people they don't even know. Don't 
you see how defensive everyone is??? Why? If this is the truth for you - you don't have to defend 
it! It will stand on it's own.
We need to answer, as best we can - other's questions - but not in a way that makes them 
wrong for asking. Many questions raised have been legitimate - questions I would have asked but 
they were met with ridicule from others. Many seem to feel that any questioning of JJ's material is 
reason to attack. Other times questions were put forth that had no basis for asking - people 
reading things into JJ's posts that weren't there. Maybe if we all take time to really understand 
what is being written and stop looking at it from a negative standpoint - THEN respond - we would 
all move ahead instead of covering the same ground over and over again.
Trixie

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9804
From: Blayne
Subject: FYI'S
FYI
http://www.freeread.com/FreeBook.htm
CHAPTER ONE
Elizabeth
... I have a story to tell that is difficult to believe so I am writing it as FICTION. It is too 
unbelievable to present as a true story. Nevertheless, I do maintain that the principles taught 
herein are true and that many readers will have this verified by their hearts and souls.
_JJ_(from one of his latest posts)
"On the other hand, all can receive my teachings for free and I give personal responses to 
all, in as much as I have time, for free."
http://www.freeread.com/Ordering%20Info.htm
THE IMMORTAL - BOOKS ONE AND TWO - ARE NOW AVAILABLE IN ONE VOLUME!
Book One is available free on the internet, but if you do not want to download and print a 
major text you are welcome to order Books One and Two in one volume...
1-2 Copies - $19.95 each
3-6 Copies - $17.95 each...

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-11/9805
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Who am I
Hi Christopher,
Like Xavier, I would very much appreciate your using OT in your posts as previously 
discussed and, I thought, agreed on. It would make the process of elimination much easier for us 
all.
Thanks.
Love
Glenys
Christopher Wynter wrote:
***
"Will you walk with me?
will you talk with me?
will you love me all day long?
***
will you listen to my drivel
when I'm old
and begin to dribble?
***
if you wont then bugger off.
I've no need of you
***
I will walk alone mumbling to myself,
patting my self on the back
telling me that I love me,
while I talk my dribble.
***
Who am I ..?
***
I am...
I am a politician.
***
Christopher Wynter
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Exits from the freeway of truth begin at a small angle."

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-11/9806
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: The List
J J Dewey wrote: "I suppose there will always be some challenging questions for me to 
handle. I will attempt to be kinder and gentler in handling them."
I think this is a timely reminder to us all to attempt to practice harmlessness wherever we 
can and I join JJ in his commitment to be gentler and kinder (and thanks Trixie for your timely 
comments as well).
This does not mean, however, that I will cease to expose any 'lies and manipulations' 
Christopher spoke of, especially when they are patently unfair and display covert aggression 
towards other list members.
Love
Glenys
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Exits from the freeway of truth begin at a small angle.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-11/9807
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Dogma?
I would be very surprised if you had anything to do with Christopher's 'reinvention' of JJ's 
Evaluating the Teacher email, Diane, so don't worry about it. Christopher has been on the list 
long enough to know JJ's position on his writings.
Love
Glenys
Diane Linen wrote: "JJ I offer my most abject apologies to you for I sent a portion of the 
introduction to the list on the SpiritWebsite and it must have been misinterpreted by some on the 
list to mean that you wrote fiction. I am very sorry."
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Exits from the freeway of truth begin at a small angle.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-11/9808
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: FYI'S
Blayne wrote: "FYI
http://www.freeread.com/FreeBook.htm CHAPTER ONE Elizabeth
"... I have a story to tell that is difficult to believe so I am writing it as FICTION."
I suggest you re-read my and JJ's response to Christopher on this, Blayne.
Love
Glenys
PS You know people will soon start thinking that you've got it in for JJ. Unreasonable, I know 
:-)
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Exits from the freeway of truth begin at a small angle.

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9809
From: Blayne
Subject: Possession of Jesus
__JJ__
"The startling answer is that before Jesus was baptized by John in Jordan, the Son of God 
was not on the earth, but John was aware of how he was to come and he was awaiting 
verification of this from God. Jesus was the reincarnation of Joshua from the days of Moses but 
John and others were awaiting the presence of one far greater than him, and none were positive 
as to who it was that was going to receive this great entity in what we may want to call a divine 
possession, but a possession that was completely voluntary. We may more correctly call it an 
overshadowing presence."
_Blayne_
Luke 2:49
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my 
Father's business?
So what Father was this he was speaking of when he was but a boy not having had the 
ordinances?
Some other thoughts; that which descended on him at his baptism was the infinite spirit not a 
third entity that possessed his body. Since you quoted also D&C 88:50 let me quote another 
verse from that chapter:
D&C 88:41
41  He comprehendeth all things, and all things are before him, and all things are round about 
him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all 
things; and all things are by him, and of him, even God, forever and ever.
Here it is saying that he is in and through all things indicating the light or star stuff all things 
are made of not a 3rd party entity as you infer
The Holy Ghost is you and me and all of us for if the spirit that dwells within you is not holy 
as it come from the regions of God then what is it? It is us who deny who and what we really are.
Voluntarily letting yourself be possessed by any entity still gives up free agency and is not 
the way God operates. What Jesus received at his baptism was complete connection with the 
one true God though made of many that is in and through all things. In other words he woke fully 
to who and what he was as we are to do.
Love Blayne

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9810
From: Paul Yu
Subject: Re: The Mystery of Christ and His Coming
Hi everyone,
The Father and the Son are two in one. The Christ and Jesus are two in one. The anti-Christ 
and The Christ are two in one, the former being the destroyer of obstacles to the coming of the 
Christ, the builder.
In each of us the teacher and the student are two in one. Likewise, the pride with fear of the 
personality and the dormant or awakening humility with love aligned with the soul are also two in 
one in each of us.
The focal point or center of gravity in each aspirant's or disciple's life lies in recognizing the 
two in one in their lives.
Paul Yu
SpiritualityABC
SpiritualityESOTERIC
http://onelist.com

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9811
From: Travis Tabbal
Subject: Re: Teachings Continued
J J Dewey wrote: "The solution is soul to soul communication rather than personality to 
personality. When there is soul to soul communication concerning love (or any other subject) why 
is there perfect communication even though the two may have different ways of explaining it? 
How do we achieve this soul to soul communication. What are the obstacles in the path?"
The personality causes us to see things in our own ways. Our own past experience and ego 
come into play distorting the view. It's like looking at something on the bottom of a river. It sure 
looks like you see it well, but when you try to reach in you notice it's not where you thought it was. 
The water distorts the view just a little. You wouldn't even know it was happening if all you did 
was stand there and look.
To achieve it I would think one must learn to see past personality and ego to see with the 
eyes of the soul. You can't communicate something you can't see. Soul contact would also be 
important for both parties, so they can use it to verify what the other is saying. So the obstacles 
would include soul contact, personality, and ego. ;)
Travis

Post No. keys-l: /2000-01-10/9812
From: "Sterling D. Allan"
Subject: Fw: The Mystery of Christ and His Coming
Here is J.J.'s response to my question about "Two Messiahs." About 4/5 of the way through, 
I was thinking to myself, "this is the best thing I have ever read!" I was astounded. But then when 
I got to the last part where he puts a different spin on Christ's coming in the clouds of glory, I 
choked.
Rather than bog you down up front with my reservations, I will leave them to the end, 
following J.J.'s comments. But I will say, that whether or not J.J. is way off on what he presents at 
the end, I think there are some amazing jewels of understanding up to that point. Certainly food 
for thought to last a life time.
(p.s., for those of you [e.g. Bcc recipients] who may be interested in following this dialogue 
regarding J.J. Dewey, but do not wish to be in involved with David's Outcast discussion group, 
you may subscribe to SDA_friends-subscribe@listbot.com -- click on that and then reply to the 
automated message to confirm your subscription)
Sterling
From: "J J Dewey"
Sterling brings up a question that I feel I should respond to right away or else some of our 
new members may be quite perplexed. He writes:
J.J. in going through a few more archives, my eye caught one called "The Two Messiahs" 
(below).
I must say that this one is very radical and could be a breaking point for me in determining if 
you are pseudo/anti or if you are for real commissioned of God. You are going to need to do 
some pretty fancy explaining on this one.
My reading of the scriptures and the witness born repeatedly in my soul is that Jesus Christ 
was the very son of God, the only begotten in the flesh, meaning that he had a mortal mother, 
Mary; and his sire, through the interposition of the Holy Ghost, was Heavenly Father. This is the 
final testimony that is given of him by John in the gospel of John, and it is confirmed in the Book 
of Mormon (John 1:18, 34, 49; 3:18, 6:69; 10:36; 11:27; 20:31; 1 Ne. 10:17; 11:6, 7, 18, 21, 24, 
32; 1 Ne. 13:40; II Ne. 25:16, etc..).
John 20:
30  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in 
this book:
31  But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that 
believing ye might have life through his name.
1 Nephi 13:40
And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records [Book of Mormon], which thou hast 
seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first [the Bible], which are of the twelve 
apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been 
taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb 
of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come 
unto him, or they cannot be saved.
These are not just isolated verses. They are text mission statement verses.
How does what you say below coincide with this most crucial of facets of Jesus the Christ?
To me it is the height of occultism to suggest that Jesus ("Joshua") was possessed of 
another spirit ("Melchizedek," the Christ element, according to you) from the time he was 
baptized, and that these two "entities" will manifest as separate personages in these last days. 
Furthermore, to suggest that Jesus was merely an incarnation of Joshua, Moses' successor, 
defies the teaching that he was the literal son of God.
The highest I know, from all my experience and learning, the very core of my conviction, 
centers around Jesus as the Christ, the Savior of mankind, the Son of God.
How answer you?
Sterling
Here's my answer. I hope you will do your best to read it in the light of the Spirit within.
The Mystery of Christ and His Coming The greatest mystery man of all time is, of course, 
Jesus himself. What is his history? There is not a lot of information in the scriptures about his 
past, but there is some. For instance we read: "And John saw and bore record of the fullness of 
my glory, and the fullness of John's record is hereafter to be revealed. And he bore record saying: 
I saw his glory, that he was in the beginning, before the world was. (In other words before the 
"age" was or before the days of Adam.) Therefore, in the beginning the Word was, for he was the 
Word, EVEN THE MESSENGER OF' SALVATION" D&C 93:6-8. Thus we see that in the dawn of 
time here on the earth that Christ was one who was called the "messenger of Salvation." It is 
quite obvious that he must have had many lives of service to become what he was when he 
appeared to the Jews.
The scripture continues: "And I, John, saw that he received not of the fullness at first, (In his 
first life), but received grace for grace; and he received not of the fullness at first, but continued 
from grace to grace, (life to life), until he received a fullness; And thus he was called the Son of 
God, because he received not of the fullness at first... I give you these sayings that you may 
understand and know how to worship, and know what you worship, (That is he, the Christ, is a 
man like unto ourselves, but with more experience), that ye may come unto the Father in my 
name, and in due time (after sufficient incarnations) receive of his fullness... He that keepeth his 
commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and knoweth all things." D&C 
93:12-14,19,28.
The scriptures make it obvious that Jesus lived more than one short life of thirty-three years: 
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but 
WAS IN ALL POINTS TEMPTED LIKE AS WE ARE yet without sin." Heb 4:15. Before I accepted 
the doctrine of reincarnation I often wondered how Jesus could have been tempted in all points 
as I have been for I have often thought that I have been in many circumstances that he could not 
have been in, but now we can see how this scripture is actually true that during his long probation 
of lives he has been tempted in every way possible and came off victorious in his last life without 
sin. Now we can have much more application for another scripture: "For in that he himself hath 
suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted." Heb 2:18. Now we see that 
he is able to succor us because in his vast experience he has undergone every temptation 
imaginable. We see that "though he were a Son, get learned he obedience by the things which he 
suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that 
obey him." Heb 5;9-10
Now we can apply a larger perspective to the interpretation of this scripture. Christ learned 
obedience by the things which be suffered in past lives. His suffering in his life as the Christ took 
place after he was already perfected, but he learned obedience by the things which he suffered in 
past lives which prepared him for a life as the Son of God. We are told that after he learned 
obedience by suffering that he was "made perfect" and "became the author of eternal salvation". 
What does this mean, and what is perfection?
Perfection seems to mean different things to different people, and from a human standpoint 
it could be defined as the highest idea of any individual. But since the highest ideal of each 
individual is somewhat different, then perfection would be different for almost everyone. For 
instance Jesus was by no means perfect in the eyes of the learned Pharisees and Scribes. They 
thought the perfect Messiah would idolize their law and traditions as they themselves did. The 
Christian world in the days of Joseph Smith thought he was far from perfect for they thought a 
prophet should be very pious. Of course, he did not live up to this standard and even many 
converts were disappointed when they met him. Joseph once said that if Jesus himself were with 
them they would find many faults with him.
Thus we come to a question. If perfection by human standards is the highest ideal of an 
individual, is there any such thing as real perfection? After all, no matter how high a person's 
ideal is, there is yet another higher throughout all eternity. There is no limit to a person's will to 
good. Unfortunately when something higher than a person's ideal is presented, the individual 
cannot recognize it unless he elevates his thoughts and unless he does this the person will stand 
in absolute blindness when faced with the greater reality, a blindness so great that nothing from 
without can penetrate it. Thus the Jews were completely ignorant to the fact that Jesus 
represented a greater reality. They thought he was less than perfection and presented a threat to 
their perfection; thus they sought to destroy him. Would this mean that there is a greater reality 
than Christ? Yes, and he admitted it for he said: "My Father is greater than I am." John 14:28 
Jesus was able to recognize one greater than himself, but the Jews could not and this was why 
they were condemned. They saw perfection as only their highest ideal and could not accept the 
fact that there was nothing higher and were called "the blind that lead the blind and both shall fall 
in the ditch". The first step toward eternal progression is to remove this blindness and always be 
"opened" to the possibility that there may be somewhere out there a greater reality than we have 
ever before imagined. Many who read this will be amazed a few years down the road of all of the 
greater realities they will discover.
Taking the above logic into consideration we may safely conclude that perfection as it is 
understood by humanity is an illusion and does not really exist, for there is no ultimate in 
achievement. Even as far as Christ is concerned, he is just a junior achiever in relation to his 
Father, and his Father is a mere junior executive in comparison to the Gods above him for his 
Father's main responsibility is this planet whereas other's govern solar systems and galaxies and 
have a consciousness above anything that can be imagined even by Christ himself.
If this is so then what is meant by the scripture which tells us that he was "made perfect?" To 
understand this we must examine the Greek. 'The words "made perfect" are translated from the 
Greek word TELEIOO which really has little to do with perfection as we understand it. As a matter 
of fact there is no Greek or Hebrew equivalent for the English word perfection as it is applied to 
deity for they had enough common sense to realize that such a word was meaningless. The word 
TELEIOO is more appropriately translated as "finish, fulfill, or consummate" and in the text of this 
scripture it implies "To accomplish an assigned mission" Jesus himself used this word in a similar 
context when he said: "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish (From the 
Greek TELEIOO) his work." John 4:34. Paul also said: "Neither count I my life dear unto myself, 
so that I might finish (TELEIOO) my course with joy." Acts 20:24.
Thus we see that after the Christ had finished his assigned task that he became the author 
of "eternal salvation". These are another interesting pair of words for neither one of them mean 
what they seem. "Eternal" comes from the Greek AIONIOS which can mean one of three things: 
(1) Something which can last for an age or a long period of time. (2) Having an ageless quality or 
(3) At the end of an age. One has to look at the content to see how the word was intended to be 
used and the key is given in the word salvation which comes from the word SOTERIA which is 
more correctly rendered "deliverance" or "rescue". An equivalent Hebrew word is used in Joel: 
"And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood and fire, and pillars of smoke. 
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day 
of the Lord come. And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME 
OF THE LORD SHALL BE DELIVERED (saved): for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be 
deliverance, the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." Joel 2:30-32 Here 
we see that this word is used to indicate a deliverance at the end of the age. We see that the 
righteous will be "saved" from the calamities which will come upon the world.
Taking this into consideration let us retranslate the phrase:: "And being made perfect, He 
became the author of eternal salvation unto all that obey him." It could be more correctly 
rendered: "And completing the work which was expected of him he made possible our 
deliverance at the end of the age." In other words the work of the Christ made possible and 
paved the way for our deliverance at this time thousands of years later. Of course, the prophets 
were concerned about a deliverance from evil at the end of the age for they knew they would still 
be around and were willing to persevere until then.
Before we can appreciate who Jesus was in previous lives we must understand who he was 
when he lived his life as the Christ. Many there are who think they understand this, yet are far 
from the truth, for the real truth is so fantastic that the average man could not even keep the 
thought in his mind for one minutes consideration; nevertheless, even the truth of this great 
matter is in the scriptures. The truth lies in that great statement by Jesus when he said: "I and My 
Father are one... the Father is in me, and I in him." John 10:30, & 38
Does this mean that the Father and the Son are merely one in purpose, or does the meaning 
go much deeper than this?
As we examine the scriptures we see that the meaning is far different than imagined for John 
gives us a leading clue: "This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred 
before me: for he was before me. AND I KNEW HIM NOT: but that he should be made manifest 
to Israel, therefore am I coming baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the 
Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. and I knew him not: but he 
that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, UPON WHOM THOU SHALT SEE 
THE SPIRIT DESCENDING AND REMAINING ON HIM, THE SAME IS HE WHICH BAPTIZETH 
WITH 'THE HOLY GHOST. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God." John 1:30-
34.
This scripture raises several interesting questions. First why was it that John the Baptist and 
Jesus were cousins, yet John said of Jesus "I knew him not". You would think that if anyone knew 
that Jesus was the Christ that it would have been John for he was preparing the way for his own 
cousin!' You would have thought that Mary and Joseph would have explained to the forerunner 
that their son was the Son of God. Why was it that God himself had to identify the Son of God to 
John?
The startling answer is that before Jesus was baptized by John in Jordan, the Son of God 
was not on the earth, but John was aware of how he was to come and he was awaiting 
verification of this from God. Jesus was the reincarnation of Joshua from the days of Moses but 
John and others were awaiting the presence of one far greater than him, and none were positive 
as to who it was that was going to receive this great entity in what we may want to call a divine 
possession, but a possession that was completely voluntary. We may more correctly call it an 
overshadowing presence.
John knew through the Spirit that the Son of God was to be revealed through the ordinances 
he was performing and he was awaiting that final confirmation when he would see the Spirit 
descend and "remain" with some holy man. When this finally happened with his cousin Jesus he 
"saw and bare record that this is the Son of God." Who then was the Son of God? It was the Spirit 
that John saw descending on Jesus. This entity was of such a high order that a pure body had to 
be prepared for him, for could not at that time incarnate directly among the Sons of Men. Thus 
after this great Spirit descended and "remained" with Jesus he became "one" with the Father 
within him and received great power and always gave recognition to that Spirit and for three great 
years Jesus and the Son of God shared the same body. However, because of his great sacrifices 
Jesus has become known as the Son of God whereas the Spirit within him is usually referred to 
as the "Father" for they had a Father-Son relationship.
The Book of Mormon seems to identify two entities here: "I would that ye should understand 
that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. And 
because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to 
the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son- The Father, because he was conceived by 
the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son- And 
THEY ARE ONE God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and earth. and thus the flesh 
(Jesus) becoming subject to the Spirit (Christ), or the Son to the Father..." Mosiah 15:1-5.
The meanings to these scriptures have even more depth than we are discussing so one 
must keep in mind that we are discussing one aspect of truth here.
The Doctrine and Covenants gives us further enlightenment on this doctrine: "I Am in the 
Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one. The Father because he gave me of 
his fullness, (The Spirit descended on him), and the Son because I was in the world and made 
flesh my tabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men. I was in the world and received of my 
Father, AND THE WORKS OF HIM WERE PLAINLY MANIFEST. And John saw and bore record 
of the fullness of my glory, and the fullness of John's record is hereafter to be revealed." D&C 
93:3-6 Why couldn't the fullness of John's record be revealed earlier? Why couldn't even Joseph 
Smith reveal it? Because the people were not prepared and scarcely are today, for when the 
fullness of the record of John is revealed it will undoubtedly reveal this doctrine, and who could 
abide such a revelation?
The scripture continues: "And I, John, bear record that he received a fullness of the glory of 
the Father; And he received all power both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father 
was with him, FOR HE DWELT IN HIM." D&C 93:16-17
A careful reading of these scriptures will reveal that the meaning is literal as well as 
figurative. For instance Jesus said "My Father is greater than I." John 14:28. At one time Jesus 
tried to explain to his disciples that he was not working alone, that his power was not his alone, 
but was coming from another higher entity who he called the "Father". He said to his disciples: "If 
ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and 
have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith 
unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT 
HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you 
I speak not of myself: But THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOTH THE WORKS." 
John 14:7-10
Why was it that Jesus said that the Father was greater than himself if whoever saw him also 
saw the Father? The two statements are definitely contradictory with any other explanation 
except the one presented here. If they are one being then one cannot be greater than the other, 
but if they were two spirits co-existing in the same body then the. statement can make sense. In 
fact, if one will read all the scriptures concerning oneness in this light he will see this as a master 
key to a great mystery.
Mormons feel that both the Father and the Son look alike physically and that is why Jesus 
said "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father", but when one reads the whole scripture he will 
see that Jesus was not teaching this principle, even though it may be true. For instance, a few 
verses later Jesus tells us that they have seen the Father because the Father was in him, not 
because they both looked alike. He even went so far as to say that it was not him that did the 
great works they saw, but the Father, "he doeth the works".
There are numerous other scriptures that bear witness to the dual occupancy of the body of 
Jesus. One of the greatest was in response to a legitimate accusation of the Pharisees against 
the testimony of the mission of Jesus: "The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest 
record of thyself; thy record is not true." John 8:13 In making this statement they were referring to 
their law which said: "At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the 
matter be established." Deut. 19:15 This was repeated by Paul: "In the mouth of two or three 
witnesses shall every word be established." II Cor 13:1
 Jesus gave an interesting response: "Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I 
know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. Ye 
judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: FOR I AM NOT 
ALONE, BUT I AND THE FATHER THAT SENT ME.. It is also written in your law, that the 
testimony of TWO MEN is true. I am one that beareth witness of myself, AND the Father that sent 
me beareth witness of me." John 8:14-18
Here Jesus claims that he was fulfilling the law of establishing the truth of his mission with 
the witness of "two men" for he clearly stated "I am not alone". Where then was the other man? 
This is what the Jews wondered for they asked him: "Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye 
neither know me, nor my Father: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also." 
John 8:19
Later they asked him again: "Who art thou?" and he told them: "I do nothing of myself; but as 
my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me IS WITH ME: THE FATHER 
HATH NOT LEFT ME ALONE... I speak that which I have seen with my Father..." John 8:25,28-
29 & 38.
Along this same line he also said: "The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the 
Father do: For what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise...I can of mine own 
self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but 
the will of the Father which hath sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There 
IS ANOTHER THAT BEARETH WITNESS OF ME." John 5:19,30-32.
This dual occupancy is called an "overshadowing" by some teachers of the race. The Spirit 
of Christ overshadowed the body of Jesus, and Jesus was in such harmony with the Christ that 
he always did what was communicated to him because he realized the Christ was a higher 
intelligence. A rather inaccurate example, but the best available would be that of a scientist 
putting an implant within the brain of a friend that he wants to fill a mission for him. This implant 
allows the scientist to reproduce on a television screen all that his friend sees through his eyes. 
He is also capable of reading all of his thoughts as well as sending his own to his friend. He 
sends his friend on a dangerous, but important mission to a ruthless and savage people, but 
promises him that he will be with him and provide safety with his greater knowledge and will tell 
him what to do. Thus whenever the friend encounters a situation he cannot handle the scientist 
tells him the words to say and they are not the man's words, but the scientist's. The scientist 
decides to impress the barbarians with a few miracles so he tells his friend to do some impressive 
things like walking on water for example. The friend does not fear for he knows the scientist will 
help him with his super scientific knowledge and reverse gravity for him. Then he will tells others 
that the works he does are not his, but the one who sent him but they do not understand.
It is a true principle that the tactics used by evil entities are a mere distorted reflection of 
divine action. This is true as far as demonic possession goes. It is but a copy of divine 
possession, except the difference is that evil takes away free agency and God always works with 
complete freedom of action.
What happened in the dual possession of the body of Jesus will also happen with a number 
of others before the Christ walks among us again in the flesh, except this time he will come in 
greater glory, for this time he may eventually come in a body which is entirely his own, but before 
this can occur there will be a number of temporary overshadowings. Jesus said: "If any man hear 
my voice, and open the door, I WILL COME INTO HIM, and will sup with him, and he with me. To 
him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne, EVEN AS I ALSO OVERCAME, and 
am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev. 3:20-21.
If we are to overcome by having one such as the Christ enter into us and Jesus overcame in 
the same way, then Jesus would have had to have a second entity of higher spiritual standing 
come into him as part of the eternal process.
He also said: "And my Father and I are one. I am in the Father and the Father in Me; and 
inasmuch as ye have received me, ye are in me and I IN YOU. Wherefore, I am in your midst, 
and am the good shepherd, and the stone of Israel. He that buildeth on this rock shall never fall. 
And the day cometh that you SHALL HEAR MY VOICE, and know that I am. Watch therefore, 
that ye may be ready. Even so. Amen." D&C 50:43-46.
Here we have prophesies that we shall someday experience an overshadowing as Jesus did 
if we are worthy. They are actually prophesies that refer to the first stage of the second coming 
for the second takes place in three steps.
The second coming of Christ has to be the most misunderstood doctrine in all Christendom 
for there is not one of the sects that is even halfway preparing for it correctly and where the Christ 
comes again he will again find his greatest response from the same type of people who received 
him the last time: The non religious people, and people who were ostracized from the normal 
religious community.
When Jesus was with the twelve they asked him: "What shall be the sign of thy coming and 
of the end of the World"(Greek: Age)? The word "coming" comes from the Greek PAROUSIA 
which more correctly is translated as "presence". This word is used by Paul to demonstrate this: 
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence (PAROUSIA) only, 
but now much more in my absence." Phil 2:12 Thus we see that PAROUSIA means the opposite 
of "absence". The word can also be translated as "nearness". Thus we see that the signs given in 
Matthew chapter twenty-four are indications of the nearness or the presence of Christ
The three stages of the coming of Christ are:
(1) The teaching and introduction of the Christ Consciousness. The lifting up of the Son of Man or 
the Christ consciousness in a large group of people.
(2) The partial and/or complete overshadowing of certain disciples and groups.
(3) The appearance of Christ himself in a physical body
The second step is the beginning of the presence of the entity who is Christ on the earth for 
He shall indeed be present even though it may not be in a body of his own to start with, and this 
event is actually prophesied of in the scriptures themselves.
A careful reading of Zechariah will reveal that the persons mentioned as Joshua and 
Zerubbabel are representative of the Christ. Keeping this in mind let us read: "Hear now, O 
Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: 
for I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; 
upon one stone shall be SEVEN EYES, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of Hosts, 
and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day." Zech 3:8-9
 Here we have mention of Joshua who is Jesus and the stone which is laid before him who was 
the overshadowing Christ, the stone of Israel. Then there is the servant, the BRANCH who is the 
one like Moses. Finally there is a group of disciples who are "wondered at." These persons are 
the seven eyes of the stone of Israel or the Christ. They are seven entities who shall experience 
the overshadowing presence of Christ as Jesus did. We see that when this will happen that the 
Lord will remove the iniquity out of the land. Thus it is obvious that it shall occur near the 
beginning of the new age of peace.
The seven eyes are mentioned again in the next chapter; "For who hath despised the day of 
small things? For they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with 
those seven, they are the eyes of the Lord, WHICH RUN TO AND FRO THROUGH THE WHOLE 
EARTH." Zech 4:10.
We find another mention of this in the Book of Revelation: "And in the midst of the elders, 
stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven 
Spirits of God SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH." Rev 5:6
Seven men are mentioned in another prophecy concerning Christ: "But thou, Bethlehem 
Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth 
unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; (Christ) whose goings forth have been from of old, from 
everlasting. (He has the experience of many lifetimes.)...And this man shall be the peace, when 
the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then we shall raise 
against him SEVEN SHEPHERDS, and eight principle men." Micah 5:2 & 5
We see from these scriptures that there will be seven men raised up in the last days who will 
be called the eyes of the Lord and will run to and fro through the earth and finally that they will 
assist the Christ in driving back the Assyrian or the Anti-Christ forces. Altogether there will be 
eight principle men if we include the Christ. They will be men of wonder because these seven 
men will be overshadowed and will fulfill the prophecy of doing even greater things than Jesus did 
because the Christ will come in unto them and sup with them and the Christ has even more 
wisdom, experience and power than he had two thousand years ago so we can look forward to 
great things ahead.
Christ will use these seven entities as seven projections of his presence through the 
assistance of other Masters in his group. His spirit will shift from one person to another as His 
overshadowing presence is needed and will produce a tremendous effect as if there were a group 
of saviors on the earth.
The second stage in the presence of Christ involves a larger group of disciples wherein the 
Christ within them will be manifest on a larger scale. These disciples will try and fulfill the 
commandment given by Paul: "Let this mind BE IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who 
being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God." Phil 2:5 In speaking of 
himself and faithful disciples he said: "But we have the mind of Christ." I Cor 2:16
Many people quote these scriptures, but few believe them. If we really have the mind of 
Christ then we will find that all of the scriptures that apply to Jesus also apply to us. For instance, 
Jesus said: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even 
the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:13. We are also Sons of God who will ascend into 
heaven who have in the beginning came from heaven.
Jesus continues: "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the 
Son of man be lifted up." John 3:14
It is true that this corresponds to his death on the cross, but he also wanted to illustrate that 
each man should have the Son of man, or the mind of Christ lifted up within him so that "when he 
shall appear we shall be like him". I John 3;2
Next Jesus said: "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him 
should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:15-16.
Not only should we believe the words and works of Jesus, but we must believe in and have 
faith in the Son of God that dwells within us. If we do this we can have everlasting life and life at 
the end of the age or in the age of peace. The Son of God that can be lifted up within every man 
forms a part of ''Christ, the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is ONE Eternal 
God." Thus when we lift up the Son of Man within ourselves we also become the Only Begotten 
Son for we are an extension of the only Son there is for all the sons of men share a oneness that 
few can realize. Paul tried to teach the real Christ when he said: ''For as the body is one, and 
hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: SO 
ALSO IS CHRIST...Now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular." I Cor 12:12&27.
Thus we see that Christ is an office that is composed of all those who take upon themselves 
his name. Everyone who listens to the sacrament prayer should be aware of this principle for we 
are told to "eat in remembrance of the BODY of thy Son (Which body is composed of many 
members), and witness unto thee, O God the eternal Father, THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO 
TAKE UPON THEM THE NAME OF THY SON..." Moroni 4:3.
To take upon ourselves the name of the Son means a lot more than remembering the works 
of another man however great he is. It means that we are to have the mind of Christ within us and 
to not think it mockery to be equal with God or to be a "savior on Mount Zion", or a Christ. This 
principle is illustrated numerous times in the scriptures. For instance: "And under this head ye are 
made free, and there is no other head whereby ye can be made free. There is no other name 
given whereby salvation cometh; therefore, I would that ye should TAKE UPON YOU THE NAME 
OF CHRIST all you that have entered into the covenant with God that ye should be obedient unto 
the end of your lives. And it shall come to pass that whosoever doeth this shall be found at the 
right hand of God, for he shall know the name by which he is called; FOR HE SHALL BE 
CALLED BY THE NAME OF CHRIST. And now it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall not 
take upon him the name of Christ must be called by some other name; therefore, he findeth 
himself on the left hand of God." Mosiah 5:8-10.
Jesus repeated this doctrine when he visited the Nephites: "Have they not read the 
scriptures, which say ye must take upon you the name of Christ, which is my name? For by this 
name SHALL YE BE CALLED at the last day." III Nephi 27:5 Again this is repeated in modern 
revelation: "Wherefore all men must take upon them the name which is given of the Father, for in 
that name SHALL THEY BE CALLED at the last day." D&C 18:24
We shall all bear the name of Christ if we are worthy and share the title of the only begotten. 
We are many members, but one body, "and the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive 
their inheritance and BE MADE EQUAL WITH HIM." D&C 88:107
If we lift up the Son of Man in us as Jesus did we will indeed eventually be made equal with 
him.
In speaking of this group of disciples Nephi said: "I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, 
who were the saints of God (Not necessarily the members of any denomination), were also upon 
all the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small... And it came 
to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of 
the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord (those who take upon 
themselves his name), who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed 
with righteousness and WITH THE POWER OF GOD in great glory." I Nephi 14:12-14.
What does it mean when it tells us that the saints of God will go forward with power and in 
great glory? Nephi gives us a perfect example when he prophesied of the mission of Jesus: "And 
I beheld that he went forth ministering unto the people in power and great glory." I Nephi 11:28
Thus we may safely conclude that when the righteous in the latter days go forth with power 
and great glory they will go forth as saviors on mount Zion and do the works of Jesus, and 
possibly the greater works that he spoke of because they have lifted up the Son of man within 
themselves to reveal their true state as Sons of God.
The third stage of the second coming is the actual reappearance of the Christ himself. We 
say reappearance because he has not been gone to some far off heaven, but has been working 
right here on the earth for the past two thousand years for did he not say: "and lo, I am with you 
alway, even unto the end of the world (from the Greek AION)which means "Age." Matt 28:20.
The Christ told us that he would be with us to the end of the age and he has fulfilled that 
promise by not leaving the earth, for this is the field of his mission, for at present he has no 
stewardship on other worlds, even though the position of the Christ ministers to all worlds.
Christ has had numerous previous lives and many were great, and noble ones, but he has 
not worked among men in the- flesh since the days of Jesus. He has done much work in 
organizing a nucleus kingdom of heaven right here on the earth with a group of resurrected 
beings he calls the Spiritual Hierarchy of the Earth. He and other Masters of the resurrection work 
constantly with mankind inspiring them to do good and laying foundations which will eventually 
produce peace on the earth.
Some people believe that Christ was Buddha in a past life, but he was not. Buddha was a 
separate entity who was sent to help bring enough enlightenment to mankind so they could 
accept his message of love, brought by the Christ. Christ was however Krishna in a past life who 
was the founder of Hinduism. Many of his acts and words are recorded in the BHAGAVAD-GITA.
Many also believe that Christ was Melchizedek and there are some indications of this in the 
scriptures. For instance, we are told that the Priesthood was changed in ancient times from the 
Priesthood after the order of the Son of God to Melchizedek making Melchizedek synonymous 
with the Son of God. Melchizedek was the Christ who was overshadowed by for the Ancient of 
days, or the first Adam to come to the earth. The first Adam is an even higher entity than the 
Christ for he has already been a savior on another world before he came to the earth. He has 
power to create a physical body an the earth at will) which in the east is called a MAYAVIRUPA. 
Thus when he appeared on the earth as Melchizedek be became the "King of Salem, which is, 
King of peace; without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, 
nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." Heb 7:2-3 Even 
though Joseph Smith said that this scripture was speaking of the Priesthood and it would also be 
true of the Ancient of Days for he has no father or mother in this world. It was revealed to me that 
when Abraham's name was changed from Abram to Abraham that he was overshadowed by a 
higher being. Even so the person who owned the body of Melchizedek was Christ and he was 
overshadowed by Adam, or Melchizedek, for it is written of him (Melchizedek): "Now there were 
many before him, and also there were many afterwards, but none were greater." Alma 13:19
Before Christ will come again in a physical body the first two steps have to be fulfilled as we 
have discussed. There has to be people spiritually prepared to meet him and since reincarnation 
is one of the more simple doctrines he will teach we can see that t