1999 - WEEK 46 Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8363 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Archives are back That's great, Rick. I didn't realize how much I would miss them. Well done to Rene for all his hard work. BTW, a big thank you to everyone who has written to me about Rangi; your goodness has warmed my heart. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Egos clash. That's the nature of egos. Treat these outbursts as sneezing fits. - Hugh Prather Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-08/8364 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Project Peace, Part III I was putting the three parts of Project Peace and Goodwill together in a single HTML document so that I could make them available via my web site and noticed there must still be more to come. It mentions "The Declaration of Peace and Goodwill", which is yet to be seen. As soon as I have all of the text, I will begin sharing it with as many people as I can. Some observations I have made regarding Peace are disturbing and I would love to hear some input from others as to how to deal with them. I was driving by a high school and saw a large gathering of R.O.T.C., marching around on the football field. When my daughter, Pam, graduated High School, she almost joined the Marines. I think I had a lot to do with talking her out of it. When I got out of school, in '68, the draft was a big issue and I and most of my friends wanted no part of war. These days, there seem to be far too many boys AND girls that want to be in the military. There's no shortage of people that want to fight. And a lot of others want to become lawyers and are more interested in money than peace and goodwill. Should we also try to use public opinion to make certain professions undesirable? And what about all these angry teens that join gangs, are violent and carry weapons to school. If you poke a dog with a stick and it then bites you, it is not the dog that makes the first act of aggression. Maybe a lot of "first acts" have been started because of unseen torments. We have to dig a little deeper to find what is keeping us from peace, because there are many that feel that they are not being aggressive, but rather defensive. I'd like to have peace between me and my ex, but if I let down my guard she WILL do me and my daughter harm. I have forgiven her hundreds of times, but each time it only gave her new power to do harm with. How do you get around that one? You can't have world peace as long as there are some that don't want it. What are we supposed to do with the people that don't want peace? Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8365 From: J J Dewey Subject: Catching Up Part I My friends, Rick, that's great news that the archives are up again. I have been holding off promoting the list much because of the current situation - so now we can shift into a higher gear again. Very loving idea to refer us to the Song Jean. We all need to be reminded to put destructive thoughts and feelings in their right place so they are neutralized. Adrian and others are expressing concern that that I may leave this list. Nothing has happened which will divert me from my original goal. I plan on staying here until the number of postings becomes too great for me to deal with. At that time we will split the list in two and seek the best direction for the whole. The book, The immortal has just been picked up by a major metaphysical distributor which is more geared to the contents of the book than the distributors I have had in the past. This alone should double our sales. It will be a couple months before this really kicks in though. We've also got some proven advertising coming up that should help also. Many people do not realize the uphill battle of publishing a book yourself and then developing the sales outlets, but I think the hard part is just about over. The second book we publish will have a much easier time of it. And Lorraine. I'm glad you moved the gathering ahead to June. I think New Years was too short of a notice for us to all get in gear. It would be nice to meet at New Years, and I did mention the possibility some time ago, but at present June feels much better to me. Lorraine presented an idea to me that may be beneficial. She thought it would be a good idea to encourage members to gather in groups of three for discussion and saying the Song. Three is not a molecule, but is a foundation part of it and would produce more spiritual power than one alone. Those of you who have two other persons (or couples) in your area may want to consider this until a greater gathering is feasible. Rick is right. I'm sure that there are other lists where the heat is much greater than this one. I would guess that some of the religious lists have a lot of fire in them, though I must admit I have not participated in them. Overall, the people in this list are very peaceable in nature. Thus when we do have any conflict it may seem to some to be more disturbing it is really intended to be. As Paul said the fourth Ray is very strong in this group. This is the Ray governing the principle of harmony through conflict. This fourth ray along with the fifth governs humanity itself and is the primary ray influencing the whole of Planet Earth. This is one of the reasons that we humans have such difficulty escaping its influence. The goal of the Brotherhood at present is not to eliminate all conflicts, but to shift the center of conflict from the physical plane to the astral and mental. Once this is accomplished we will at least escape the danger of blowing ourselves up. Nevertheless, in the coming age of peace, primary conflicts will be eliminated from the physical plane, but they will be intensified on higher planes. The interesting thought about all this will be that there will be some realization that harmony is derived from conflict and the lights of the race will see harmony as the end of all enlightened conflicts. Some of those who lack spiritual vision will wonder when all the peace is supposed to break out. Nevertheless, if the age of peace unfolds as planned it will be a great improvement over what we have today. Today many look back at Columbus and the early explorers, the founders of the US Constitution and other innovative thinkers and find much fault with them because they did not seem to stand up for some of the things we consider today as "good." But a 1000 years from now humanity will look back at us and wonder why we lived in such a veil of ignorance and followed the current beast with such non thinking obedience. All historical initiates must be judged by the times they lived in just as it is hoped we will be. Jennifer asks What is the soul? The Bible states that God breathed the breath of life into Adam and he became a living soul. On the other hand, the word soul is often used synonymously with Spirit, or that which leaves our body at death. Other teachers use it when referring to our Higher Self. Soul, in a way is that point of oneness that Paul, Chris and Zia have referred to. Soul energy occurs when spirit interplays with matter. Thus when God placed Spirit in matter and there was interplay soul (or living soul) was the result. Soul is that point by the sea where land and water meet which is neither wet not dry, but where wet and dry interlay. Our Higher Self as well as the Masters use the medium of soul as a means of communication with us. Thus when a disciple says he has received something through or from the soul it could be from either his higher self or a Master. The internet is an imperfect correspondent to the soul. When we say we received something from the Internet you did not really receive it from the Internet. In reality the Internet is a medium with no form. You really received the information from another person through the medium of the Internet. In the same way a disciple is likely to say he receives from the soul when he really receives through the soul from some higher intelligence. When a regular writer talks about the soul you must examine the context in which he uses it so you can follow his train of thought. As I said, soul is often used interchangeably with a number of things, but a spiritual internet medium is perhaps the most common used by disciples. There are two main aspects of soul. The first is that spiritual medium that links us to higher lives. The second and not so well understood is the interplay between spirit and matter within the atomic lives who are so evolved on their own plane that they oscillate between spirit and matter and thus create the energy of soul that builds and maintains the forms for the greater lives. This knowledge will be expanded upon in a future immortal book. Chris asks: The question I would ask here .. in relation to what JJ is putting forward ... If ... Psychology and research is able to substantiate that behavioral problems in children .. especially aggression and violence can be statistically linked to children of veterans ... and if the algorithm that it is genetically inherited can be substantiated ... How do we handle the children ...? JJ Scientology deals with this idea somewhat and tries to eliminate programming in the body which they call engrams. I believe that it is true that we pick up negative influences something like implanted hypnotic suggestions and they have a strong influence over many. Beyond traditional therapy, the way to overcome these influences is through mental development and then soul contact. The mind can learn to recognize negative influences and override them, but the soul can bypass them completely allowing the soul infused personality to live his life as if there is no past that can control voluntary action. Therefore, the best thing one can do with children is to guide them as close as possible toward the spiritual life. There are a couple more sections to Project Peace and Goodwill. I will be posting them soon. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8366 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Acceptance J Jwrites: "Yet both aspects are divine and have their place in the scheme of things. The key word for harmony here is "acceptance." Accept the differences and see the divine at play in each other's rolls. Remember to accept does not necessarily mean to embrace." Hi JJ and everybody I am still here although I have been lax in posting. Been very busy offline these days. Also, have just been reading, learning from, and, yes, enjoying, the stage production being played out here, that I feel is meant to be a part of our learning/experiencing. I am learning that to accept others as they are (not infringing on their free will) makes life much more enjoyable. That does not mean I have to like what I see or hear.....just accept it as it is. I do not have to react to something that could cause harm to another or myself. (harm being hard feelings) I choose not to react in many cases until I have checked out my own intentions for reacting. NO ! ! It isn't easy to do after a lifetime of learning otherwise, but I chose to change it. I chose to experience self love in this manner. This very act occasionally causes a friction here at home, but I have found that by not reacting to the friction, small miracles are coming about. Unfortunately, it takes linear time, but that's okay, too. I truly hope I am finally learning the lesson I chose to learn in this lifetime......Patience. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8367 From: Marylin Subject: Re: The Beast Zia writes: "And JJ if I understand you correctly, and it is always possible that I do not yet, I must ask, how did the wound of this 'beast' get healed? Were we looking back at the past, and brought it back to life? If it got healed, what happened? That's where I would look for the answers." "Did I re-enliven that beast, by just looking upon it, and my fear feeding it back to life? Had I looked upon it, and laughed, would it have simply dissolved, as the great cosmic joke that it was and is??" "And how long am I to keep looking at this beast, or would time be better spent in focusing on the desired outcome, without any attention on the beast??" Hi Zia You just brought up a great question. Is it possible that the beast is alive today simply because we have been taught that it is supposed to be? Have we been so ingrained in this type of thinking over the thousands of years that we have unknowingly kept the beast alive? If this is so, then all we should have to do to change it is to reverse our thinking. Don't stop me....I'm on a roll now.....in my favorite area called dreaming. So much could be changed through thought alone. I am seeing the earth as pollution free, war free, filled with clean water, lots of oxygen producing trees and plants, filled with luscious edible things, differences between people but no enmity, running in the woods beside a beautiful wolf, a mother Tabby cat nursing tiger cubs, sliding down a waterfall and landing in soft water, being able to fly at will simply by leaping into the air, visiting other planets in this way, building beautiful stone houses, and on and on and on........... Everything is a thought FIRST. You just learned what my idea of Heaven is. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin PS No room for a beast. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8368 From: Marylin Subject: Re: To everything, turn turn turn Rick writes: "There is a great work being done here, not just on the earth, but on the brothers and sisters on the list as well. We, as a group, have grown much in one year and I am pleased. Don't worry about our numbers, when the few are ready, the many will be added. We will get to share love with the whole of mankind only when we have learned to share it with all of the Keysters." AMEN... Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8369 From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Re: To everything, turn turn turn One person ... in complete and wholeness of integrity can move a mountain which a thousand mortals need picks and shovels to do. The Clarion call of One trumpet can bring down the walls of a city .. a small company of foot soldiers crossing a bridge in step can set up a resonance so strong that they will bring down the bridge A Shaman is one who has overcome the shame of being human ... On a lighter side ... Did you realise that the Biblical Sampson was the greatest journalist of all times ... he took two colums and brought the house down Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8370 From: Laura Subject: Re: Project Peace,Part III (Rick) Rick wrote: "I'd like to have peace between me and my ex, but if I let down my guard she WILL do me and my daughter harm. I have forgiven her hundreds of times, but each time it only gave her new power to do harm with. How do you get around that one? You can't have world peace as long as there are some that don't want it. What are we supposed to do with the people that don't want peace?" I know how you feel about your ex, Rick, I'm going through similar things with mine. As I told a close friend of mine, I see him as a venomous snake. If you know how to handle with care, you'll probably have no problems. Keep them at arm's length at all times, and monitor them heavily. If you let your guard down around these hateful violent types and lose sight of them - like the snake - they can come out from nowhere and deal a fatal blow. There *will* be people that do not want world peace. There *will* be those who are so attached to the power mongering that they're currently submersed in that they will immediately see this movement as the Enemy and will seek to destroy anyone involved. The way to work with this is vigilance and constant monitoring. KNOW who your opponents are. Know their strengths, know their weaknesses. I have a friend here in the city by the name of Eric whose views may be termed radical leftism. He seeks for the decline of Capitalism and a Market Economy, and end to the class structure in America as well as other things. I shared the Peace & Good Will Project with him to get his feedback and he suggested (among other things) that the best way to create change in this society is figure out: 1. Who the Power is/Who the leaders are - and you cannot forget that corporations have tremendous impact on politicians. The Powers that Be are not necessarily just political. 2. What will it take to create a *counter* Power that will catch these people's attention. The only thing that is going to impact these people are a threat to their own personal power. If the people unite and a counter power is created, it will catch the attention of those that make policy decisions. I could go into more detail here, but if anyone's interested, I can ask Eric to type something up for me. I'm learning slowly the true nature of politics and what *really* happens in the world, since the American Public is spoon fed baby mush by the Media and Politicians and the true meat of what is happening is hidden for a select few. If anyone is interested in learning more, you can go to http://www.zmag.org - I think that's the correct address. It's a radical leftist publication and website and I've been kinda impressed with what I've seen. I am still a very optimistic person and what I read often angers me because of this general helpless feeling I get, but overall I believe it's a good thing to be able to broaden one's horizons and think of things that are normally kept hidden. :) Okay, so I may have gone a bit OT here.. hope not:) -Laura Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8371 From: Lorraine Deckard Subject: life is like Pleasantville I am inspired to write this. I just love the movie, "Pleasantville". It parallels the awakening process so well. In the movie people are black and white (B&W) pretending to be alive but with no growth, no conflict, or unpredictability. Then when a couple of 90's kids get dropped in their town some of them begin to awaken. They begin to realize that there is more. There is evolution and differences and color. They begin to grow and teach and share the growing and new ideas and people begin to become colored. The people who are still B&W are afraid of change. They don't want the growth to happen because it's not pleasant. It's different and unpredictable. It's too chaotic. They try to oppress the colored people and separate them, tease and belittle them. They make rules so it's illegal to change or grow and they think they feel safe again. They have never experienced the life they are fighting to save. They are fighting to keep the nothing they call love, peace an harmony but that's not possible because all of the feelings all of them have are already in them all the time. Silliness, selfishness, pride, fear, rebellion, trust, they're already there. And the lack of negative feeling does not mean you have only the positive ones. Once you've gone color you realize that you never have had any of the things you've thought you had. Sure the Avon lady said it was a beautiful shade of red and all of the other ladies loved it but still no one has really seen red. When the B&W people saw someone who is colored for the first time, they were faced with the fact they were not. That's not comfortable for them, so they made it bad or wrong to be like them and they created an us/them mentality. Some of them pretend not to see it therefore it doesn't exist. But some of them looked closer, even though they were afraid. They asked questions and dared to believe. Some of them even dared to experience. And when they did, they became colored. Then they understood what they didn't before. It's not something you can explain. It's not something you can learn in school or be taught. And you may spend your whole life insisting you are colored and can see colors when deep inside you are aware or at least suspicious that you can't. You may even be able to convince B&W people that you can see colors but you just sound pitiful to a person who really can. It's not until you are colored that you realize you never were before. WOW! I love that movie. Maybe someday I'll tell you about the movie, Matrix. :) Lorraine Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8372 From: Paul Yu Subject: Re: Acceptance Marylin writes: "I am learning that to accept others as they are (not infringing on their free will) makes life much more enjoyable. That does not mean I have to like what I see or hear.....just accept it as it is. It isn't easy to do after a lifetime of learning otherwise, but I choose to change it." Dear Marylin and everyone, You have already learned the lesson of acceptance with patience, Marylin, because you have been truthful to yourself and humble. Acceptance springs from love and is the first aspect of love to focus on in dealing with reactive feelings. The aspect of giving comes later to complete the cycle of loving. One does not have to like what they accept; one does not accept reluctantly either, thus acceptance is the same as embracing. A mother embraces her handicapped baby though not liking the handicap. Love goes to the whole being regardless of the flaws therein because love does not see flaws in the whole, which is harmonious oneness. Acceptance without love is no true acceptance. Only loving embracing acceptance works miracles transforming reactive emotional forces into love energy. Loving acceptance is unconditional as love is unconditional. When love energy reached our personality it was split into two due to our separative conditioning. Hence we experience difficulty in accepting our reactions unconditionally. By invoking love energy in order to accept mentally-emotionally polarized forces we initiate a process of awareness in which reactive feelings are identified and unconditionally accepted, and finally neutralized or balanced, and love is resulted. The giving aspect of love could be love's own enemy. If one was too emphatic on action of giving without paying attention to the prerequisite of giving, namely, accepting, they started with the wrong leg and would falter along the way. Love is no love without acceptance as love is no love without giving. One cannot give without first accepting the whole of what is to be accepted and later given to. Life is both breathing in and breathing out. As far as personality is concerned there is no breathing out without first breathing in. Because spirit on the opposite end breathes out before breathing in if considered from our linear time perspective. The key to love is unconditional acceptance of all of life's experiences, which is all of life in manifestation. "Reversal is the movement of Tao. Weakness is the means used by Tao." Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8373 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: Project Peace, Part III Rick Audette wrote: "These days, there seem to be far too many boys AND girls that want to be in the military. There's no shortage of people that want to fight. And a lot of others want to become lawyers and are more interested in money than peace and goodwill. Should we also try to use public opinion to make certain professions undesirable?" I don't think it has much to do with desire to fight. My sister was thinking about joining the armed forces. Her use for it was the GI bill. They pay for you to go to college and you commit to 4 years active and 4 years reserve duty IIRC. It works out like a student loan. I think many kids don't feel they will be called to war anytime soon, so it's about the odds. As for professions. Which ones in particular? Even lawyers have good points. ;) Most people are more interested in money then anything else. I think we should start with the children. All changes in a society require a generation to take hold. If we get the next generation onboard they can apply the pressure from their side, and the adults that join can apply pressure from our perspective. Kids viewpoints can effect the parents', and they are usually quite open to the idea of a nice place to live. It may not happen for most of our lives, but if we lay the groundwork and pass the torch to the next generation they may be able to finnish what we started in their lifetime. Making a global change is not an easy undertaking. But it can be done. It's not fast, but it's possible with people all over the globe working together. It would take a huge number of people rising up with one voice crying out for peace. In fact, it has already begun, and it started mostly with the children of the internet generation. ;) They grew up with computers that enabled them to talk to someone on the other side of the planet as easy as making a phone call next door. Traditional borders and prejudice mean nothing to them, they have come to know the people in other countries. They know there is little difference between us. So help it along people, talk to your kids and grandkids. Show them how to talk to people in other countries. Show them we're not so different after all. They will tell their friends and word will get around. Many will find their kids already know about it. ;) Travis Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8374 From: "Adrian" Subject: Re Project Peace Greetings to you all:-) Rick i read your latest post with great interest -- as always:-)) --- I would point all of your attentions to the current Northern Ireland situation -- it seems to present an ideal object lesson -- in 'real time -- in what JJ and others have been pointing out -- re the will of the people. From my observations recently it seems that the main politicians are more than willing to come to an agreement -- or to at least take a leap of faith -- and according to many opinion polls the majority of the people are also 'probably' prepared to take this step -- the problem seems to be with the 'local representatives' of the community.. Why is that? -- I cannot help but conclude it is because at that level they have not had to sit down across from their 'enemies' and see them as the 'fellow human beings' that they are. David Trimble of the main Unionist representative and Gerry Adams of the Republicans seems to have made steps that were unimaginable only a few years ago -- and that is surely due to the fact that they have been in effect forced to see each other as 'people' fellow 'human beings' -- just like them selves -- and their antagonisms have diminished to such an extent that 'they can at least do business with each other'. The credit for this situation must be quite wide spread -- but i am sure history will pay special attention to ex Senator George Mitchell -- who from what i have read seems to have the patience of a saint!!! --- his style seems to be to listen -- and listen and listen -- until nothing more can be said! -- when everything is out in the open -- then there is a chance to 'bring the threads' back together - and form a new patchwork from the debris of the old. The problem now is to convince their followers to take the 'leap' with them. Is this a form of divine intervention?? -- personally i think it is a very good example --- but again one which would not be recognised as such by the majority of the population -- pretty much as was the case in South Africa. Regards to you all Adrian Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8375 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: Project Peace,Part III (Rick) Laura wrote: "If anyone is interested in learning more, you can go to http://www.zmag.org - I think that's the correct address. It's a radical leftist publication and website and I've been kinda impressed with what I've seen. I am still a very optimistic person and what I read often angers me because of this general helpless feeling I get, but overall I believe it's a good thing to be able to broaden one's horizons and think of things that are normally kept hidden." I'm sure I'm moving in an off topic direction, but of the issue of Radical Leftist viewpoints, do you have a reference for a "platform" of sorts? All I have seen on zmag so far is of little use. I'd prefer a distilled statement of what it is to be "radical leftist". I think my only saving grace on this topic is that freedom is closely related to spiritualism. ;) Travis Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8376 From: Paul Yu Subject: Public opinion and light of the soul Hi everyone, Public opinion is a powerful tool in anybody's hands. As it is, public opinion is a form of collective consciousness based and ruled by the belief system of the people involved. It can then be used as a weapon either to defend or to attack a system of belief to achieve a worldly goal. Public opinion is from the world and returns to the world. The spiritual aspirants however work toward group consciousness as based on individual consciousness. Collective consciousness is not related to either individual or group consciousness. The aspirant works on the level of the soul using her light for raising their individual consciousness whereby to grow or expand into group consciousness. The spiritual group works on the soul level while expressing their life of love on the level of the personality. They are to first begin to identify their belief system and dissipate it as illusory before they can begin to truly formulate any spiritually usable public opinion for public consumption. Public opinion is held on different levels. Identification of the levels and specific strategies to be applied to various levels have to be known before specific rays of the light of the soul can be chanelled into them to make them most efficient to particular groupings in society. The inscription on the spiritual banner for public opinion should be light of the soul instead of belief system of the personality. Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8377 From: J J Dewey Subject: To Embrace I said: "The key word for harmony here is "acceptance." Accept the differences and see the divine at play in each other's rolls. Remember to accept does not necessarily mean to embrace." To which Paul responded: "Acceptance without love is no true acceptance. Only loving embracing acceptance works miracles transforming reactive emotional forces into love energy." JJ This is great news Paul. This means that you not only accept me and my right to teach, but you now lovingly embrace all my teachings! This means that you will not be disagreeing with me any more. It is going to be interesting to see you embracing what I say in the future instead of attempting to correct me. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-11/8378 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: OT - Question reality -jpg Hello ALL! :) To help promoting The Immortal and have more people finding their way to the book, I created a simple picture file in jpg-format and placed it as a link in 2 places on my homepage, the first one is slightly bigger: http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/NewJerusalem.html http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/USpics.html Or you can view the pics only here: http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/pics/Questionreality.jpg http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/pics/Questionreality1.jpg If anybody wants to use these pics on their web site, go right ahead! :D Cheers and fortitude, Samu chasethedogstarovertheseahomewheremytrueloveiswaitingformeropethesouthwind Samu Karlsson samu3@dlc.fi samu.karlsson@norpe.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 "Just remember not to forget and you'll be fine... but you already know this, don't you?" canvasthestarsharnessthemoonlightsoshecansafelygoroundthecapehorntovalparaiso Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8379 From: Paul Yu Subject: Re: To Embrace JJ writes: "This is great news Paul. This means that you not only accept me and my right to teach, but you now lovingly embrace all my teachings! This means that you will not be disagreeing with me any more. It is going to be interesting to see you embracing what I say in the future instead of attempting to correct me." That works both ways, JJ... And without accepting or embracing there would be no giving in the form of attempting to correct, as you alluded. It's all part of love. Actually accepting or embracing has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing, approving or disapproving, liking or disliking. These are personal stuff and are to be tolerated or, better, accepted also. Accepting or embracing is an act of love under the auspices of the soul to open oneself up to the other person or an object, whatever it may be. The reason being I and that person or object are one in being regardless of any limitations that may apparently be found in them. Just like the loving mother who though disliking the physical handicap of her baby accepts and embraces it with no less love than she does with her other healthy children. Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8380 From: J J Dewey Subject: Understanding Paul, I think you are arguing with an illusionary gleaning of my words which thing I attempted to point out with mild humor. Here is what I said: "The key word for harmony here is "acceptance." Accept the differences and see the divine at play in each other's rolls. Remember to accept does not necessarily mean to embrace." By embrace I meant to fully accept all that another says and thinks in this world. Now do you still disagree with my meaning? I think that if you would try and understand what I am saying instead of interpreting in a black and white manner that this would end much unnecessary dialog between us. If you do not understand me I am always her available to ask for clarification. It is much more an act of love to seek understanding than it is to seek the correction of another. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8381 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Understanding Thank you for that timely reminder, JJ. So many people are quick to correct but slow in seeking to understand another. I'm one of them. Your words struck a deep chord within me and from now on I will try to correct only myself. That should be enough to keep me busy for awhile. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Egos clash. That's the nature of egos. Treat these outbursts as sneezing fits. - Hugh Prather Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8382 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Catching Up Part I Greetings to All, I enjoyed several sections of this post JJ, and would like to add some comments, and a couple of questions as well. For me, understanding the personality and its agenda, and the soul, and its purpose, sheds a lot of light and direction into my life. JJ: The book, The immortal has just been picked up by a major metaphysical distributor which is more geared to the contents of the book than the distributors I have had in the past. This alone should double our sales. It will be a couple months before this really kicks in though. We've also got some proven advertising coming up that should help also. Zia: JJ this is truly great news JJ, and I am extremely happy for you. I feel for many those trial and tribulations are now resolving and the 'new way of operating' becoming our reality, and happily perhaps with much greater ease and enjoyment. Congratulations and well done!! JJ: Many people do not realize the uphill battle of publishing a book yourself and then developing the sales outlets, but I think the hard part is just about over. The second book we publish will have a much easier time of it. Zia: This is certainly one of the daunting challenges facing each one of use, when this desire to write and bring those writings to others occurs. I am so glad you have succeeded in your endeavor, and all your subsequent books I trust will have that 'easier time of it'!! JJ: Nevertheless, if the age of peace unfolds as planned it will be a great improvement over what we have today. Zia: And this unfolding I see occurring in greater acceptance, as we look upon the symbols of 'war' through different eyes with different attitudes behind our seeing. Rather that we lay upon those scenes their lack of necessity in this world or irrelevance now, rather than validating their warlike nature... so they too will pass away. And now to the discussions I find of great interest, that will ultimately lead us into quite a different direction and understanding. JJ says: Soul, in a way is that point of oneness that Paul, Chris and Zia have referred to. Soul energy occurs when spirit interplays with matter. Thus when God placed Spirit in matter and there was interplay soul (or living soul) was the result. Soul is that point by the sea where land and water meet which is neither wet not dry, but where wet and dry interlay. Our Higher Self as well as the Masters use the medium of soul as a means of communication with us. Thus when a disciple says he has received something through or from the soul it could be from either his higher self or a Master. Zia: I accept this and wish to add, that I see the soul as a recorder of memory. Both ways. In that memory contained within the soul, is the purpose for this life, that accomplished evolves soul/spirit/God. This memory I speak of, is spirit's direction to live this life, that may come to us through the 'Higher Self' as you call it, or through Masters, or greater beings in many levels of consciousness. Yet these Masters and other beings may be precisely the pictures in which Spirit recorded the messages for this lifetime. Therefore what I access and another accesses will be different because we are given different agendas so to speak. This then brings me to free will. When we speak of free will, it is of the personality's free will. With the soul perspective there is no free will, it is simply the messages providing direction to complete one's life. The personality provides the how to, the colorful addendum and attitudes in which we would undertake 'our mission' so to speak. And the personality can and often does override this mission. Once union of personality/soul occurs there is really no issue whatsoever of free will, it is simply the action of the soul life, as I see it. Yet submission by the personality to become as Paul puts it, 'impersonal', allows the soul 'mission' to come forward, providing direction in all levels of consciousness. Depending on one's level of consciousness, the creating of that mission, and the creating of the pictures and meetings that will occur in this lifetime also rest with that soul/spirit. So we ultimately see that our creator knew precisely what is perfect for us in this lifetime, and that it does not require our 'changing' of it, or resistance to it, in fact these create great states of anxiety within us, as the personality feels great responsibility to make everything happen. I inherently trust my creator to a much greater degree to know precisely how and what and when things would best occur, and that my task through this sensory device called the body with its personality, is to give feed back to my creator of what occurs in following that mission plan. Hence prophecy does indeed become a part of this reality. I hope this is not perceived in any way, but that I am striving to understand my role and purpose, and the best 'way' to carry that out, with the greatest of ease and enjoyment, as I feel my creator intended for all of us. Your comments JJ and those on the list would be greatly appreciated. Since soul contact is the recommended goal for the those on the list, understanding what it is we contact, the purpose contained in the contact, and its results in our life, seem interesting to say the least. Being able to allow action upon all that I am given, with total trust and acceptance that the personality also enjoy the journey so the body functions optimally seems a worthy undertaking as well. This enjoyment may also be a 'soul' perspective, and the personality the happy observer to all that occurs. JJ: The internet is an imperfect correspondent to the soul. When we say we received something from the Internet you did not really receive it from the Internet. In reality the Internet is a medium with no form. You really received the information from another person through the medium of the Internet. In the same way a disciple is likely to say he receives from the soul when he really receives through the soul from some higher intelligence. Zia: Perhaps the soul, is a portal or doorway to our Spirit/God through its encoded information, more comes as we progress in the appropriately indicated direction. It seems to me we came in with this soul fully encoded and it is up to us to make contact, receive and engage in action. The consciousness present with us through this medium as well. Your comments again appreciated. JJ: When a regular writer talks about the soul you must examine the context in which he uses it so you can follow his train of thought. As I said, soul is often used interchangeably with a number of things, but a spiritual internet medium is perhaps the most common used by disciples. JJ: When I spoke of a frequency and then receiving an audio/video connection potentially with 'fe' recently, this to me was through the communication systems of the soul. Understanding how that communication occurs seems vital to successful outcomes of action, yet perhaps the action will occur anyway, and what is vital is my attitude in that action. Even though some would say this is an action perhaps of the psychic brain, does that communication come under the auspices of the soul? JJ then continues on another theme of great interest: Chris asks: "The question I would ask here .. in relation to what JJ is putting forward ... If ... Psychology and research is able to substantiate that behavioral problems in children .. especially aggression and violence can be statistically linked to children of veterans ... and if the algorithm that it is genetically inherited can be substantiated ... How do we handle the children ...?" JJ Scientology deals with this idea somewhat and tries to eliminate programming in the body which they call engrams. I believe that it is true that we pick up negative influences something like implanted hypnotic suggestions and they have a strong influence over many. Beyond traditional therapy, the way to overcome these influences is through mental development and then soul contact. The mind can learn to recognize negative influences and override them, but the soul can bypass them completely allowing the soul infused personality to live his life as if there is no past that can control voluntary action. Zia: When you say the soul can bypass them completely, then it seems that these responses are only programmed into the personality, and the soul agenda fully accepted by us, overcomes and in a sense eliminates these past-personality-life programs, is this what you are saying here JJ? I am not certain this is the intended direction of your teachings, yet I have such a love of the soul/spirit/God in action, guiding one's life, that I see such a perfection in it, not attainable or understood through the personality, and yet gaining understanding with/for the personality provides a greater acceptance, since I can see for the personality... understanding all, is all!! Thank you in advance for your time and comments on the above, and for your continued interest in discussing these understandings. In love and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8383 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Project Peace,Part III Greetings to All, Thank you for your sharing from your heart and observations Rick on 'the lack of peace'. Isn't that the real challenge of duality.... here we want this 'thing' called peace, and yet everywhere we look we seem to see or draw to us, what does not look at all like peace. Yet to be able to define peace, we think in terms of what it is not, and thus we see all of that, and say yes, that does not look like peace. Rick wrote: I'd like to have peace between me and my ex, but if I let down my guard she WILL do me and my daughter harm. I have forgiven her hundreds of times, but each time it only gave her new power to do harm with. How do you get around that one? You can't have world peace as long as there are some that don't want it. What are we supposed to do with the people that don't want peace? Rick I personally feel Rick, we don't have to do anything with them, most of all have no desire to change them, or what is. When we allow them to be as they are, the same returns to us. OUr choice is whether to engage them at all, since it takes two to tango. And you seem to have come to this realization, and are completing the lose ends to make this a reality. I would say your 'ex' is not going to change her nature in the foreseeable future, and most of all if it is at your bidding, demands, or begging!! LOL:) Allowing this person to go her own way, trusting that our creator has given her everything she needs to arrive safely at our destinations, takes the responsibility and anxiety off of you. Lorraine also wrote a post regarding her 'ex' and I found it interesting that through-out what brought her such unhappiness, is what, who and how she WANTED IT TO BE, rather than acceptance of how it is right now, and making one's decision based on that, rather than living for a hopeful/less future. This she ultimately did which led her to freedom for herself. Perhaps not wanting others to give us what we want the way we want it, will set us ultimately free to do it for ourselves in line with our soul-life direction that brings such splendid joy, and a peace that 'surpasseth all understanding'. Then aligning with those of a like mind, will also bring us much greater joy, because we will unite in freedom, not in bondage to or over another. That like mind is not us making them that way, but these individuals having freely chosen this for themselves. This issue can come up in a myriad of forms, that is just not our 'loving relationships' either. Once fully understood, we will indeed be magnificently free. In love and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8384 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Understanding Greetings to All, Wow do I love this sentence JJ: "It is much more an act of love to seek understanding than it is to seek the correction of another." And would that we all remember and use this line of questioning and reasoning and communicating, and this would be a happy list indeed. I notice that 'student's often copy the teacher' and it is like a parent correcting a child, and then the child grows up and does the same thing... wow how great if we seek understanding, without giving the impression of correcting...... oohhhllllaaallllaaaaahhhh, does that bring joy to my heart. This is progress and a great recognition of equality... just beautiful. In love and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8385 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Understanding JJ writes: "It is much more an act of love to seek understanding than it is to seek the correction of another." Hi All, the above is so very true. I also think it's much more loving and respectful to try to understand the other's understanding of things, the other angle of vision which in reality may be of the very same object, instead of trying to *correct* the other with one's own understanding and preferred choice of words, possibly verbiage. And I know I sometimes use much too many words to describe simple things, heh :) But like JJ has mentioned, there may by a lot of illusion originating from different understanding of meaning of words. Illusion is broken when we look under the surface at the very core, which is real and stays genuine no matter how it is described. Semantics is one thing - being able and willing to look at the world thru another's eyes is another. There are myriad of landscapes, there is only one world. While the sun is setting, some other part of the world is experiencing a dawn; still it's the same sun shining upon us all, and we all travel together with the same direction, and once the global sunrise is here, a unified purpose as well :) There's been a couple of double-postings from me appearing on the list lately, I still sometimes have trouble sending email from work, so my apologies for those few extra e's in your mailboxes, allrightey? :) Peace unto yous, Samu chasethedogstarovertheseahomewheremytrueloveiswaitingformeropethesouthwind Samu Karlsson samu3@dlc.fi samu.karlsson@norpe.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 "Just remember not to forget and you'll be fine... but you already know this, don't you?" canvasthestarsharnessthemoonlightsoshecansafelygoroundthecapehorntovalparaiso Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8386 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Understanding * Zia wrote: "oohhhllllaaallllaaaaahhhh" No french allowed please (just kidding;-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8387 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: The Beast Greetings to All, And Marylin, I so enjoyed your response, and this beautiful post. It's sort of like the question I kept asking all of my life, seeing statues of Christ hanging on the cross, covered in blood, in pain and agony... didn't anyone get the message, he lives, he resurrected, and why do we keep holding him in that past picture. This came to me profoundly in visiting Westminster Cathedral in London... a huge statue of Jesus in this condition, and all the bodies of Saints etc are also in the Cathedral... it felt like a place of worshipping death, not going for our Christhood and eternal life??!! What would have been the result, if in every church was the resurrected Christ, the commencing of understanding who and where and what he is now? Would the last 2000 years have been different? And would we have kept seeing death as the answer, through wars, or through our own choices? And Marylin, you might be surprised at how many people have the same idea of what heaven just might be, and enough of us, will create that reality. And that is just the beginning. Since the 'beast' has to do with choices, well this is just another choice!!! thank you for your sharing Marylin. In love and laughter, ZIA "Everything is a thought FIRST. You just learned what my idea of Heaven is." Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8388 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: To everything, turn turn turn Greetings to All, Ahhhh Christopher hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ... now that's one of the best interpretations I've heard in a long time, for Sampson........ thank you In love and laughter, ZIA "On a lighter side ... Did you realise that the Biblical Sampson was the greatest journalist of all times ... he took two columns and brought the house down Christopher Wynter" Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-15/8389 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Project Peace,Part III (Rick) Greetings to All, And to you Laura, I still feel that we are giving a lot of power through our thoughts and words, to people that really are quite weak. I also see an answer (In many answers) in perhaps seeking to understand where each of these people are coming from... the ex, the political leaders, the business men, those that make up our economy, etc. What are their current wants, current needs, what do we have to offer? I would not go in with an understanding of being seen as an Enemy, I would need to find a way to go in as a friend, understand what is occurring, and perhaps how to meet their needs in other ways, rather than methods currently employed, so overall we both get what we want. This comes through education, for me not through: 'The only thing that is going to impact these people are a threat to their own personal power.' It will certainly have an effect to 'threaten' people you may see as the enemy to your desires, but it will not bring peaceful negotiation this way, but rather a much more warlike and conflictual confrontation. I prefer this route for myself out of respect for myself and all others: 'Know their strengths, know their weaknesses.' Then learn how to communicate to determine avenues of negotiation. It is the same as getting to know each of us on the list... all of the organisations are people, enough people and you start turning the tide, with a common goal, not against them, to harm them, to make them comply. That shuts everyone down, and we are the losers. These are my humble opinions, and then as friendships, understanding and commonality come into operation, soul/spirit/God have a way of moving mountains that Christopher spoke of. Also just as an aside, irrespective of the person, to view them as a snake or hateful, is a fearful energy directed towards them, that also puts them on guard... because we in those thoughts help create conflict just by that approach and those continued thoughts, do have an effect in time. What I have found in my experience in dealing with conflicting desires within business or political institutions, often just one person, is the driving force, and this understood, and worked with, and all others involved worked with, can often bring surprising resolution. Our goal for harmony, peace and resolution becomes the powerful focus for a manifested reality. Without this goal, all the desires in the world for peace, yet going about it in a very warlike manner will not bring the desired resolution in my humble opinion. In love and laughter, ZIA Laura wote: "There *will* be people that do not want world peace. There *will* be those who are so attached to the power mongering that they're currently submersed in that they will immediately see this movement as the Enemy and will seek to destroy anyone involved." Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8390 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Understanding Greetings to All, Hahhhahhhh Xavier... it's one of the five french words I probably know... am very limited in the french department... just love you Xavier... In love and laughter, ZIA "No french allowed please (just kidding;-)" Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8391 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Project Peace,Part III Greetings to All, Travis I really enjoyed what you put forward here, a non-violent, non-aggressive perspective on why people make decisions, which often have nothing to do with the 'real intent' or 'hidden agenda' as many perceive it. I also really enjoy what you say regarding our children. I have gained so many friends, through the parents of my child. In all walks of life, and wonderfully I really like all my son's friends, and their parents... and oddly enough they too have common goals... and this is where important foundations for the future are made. When I took my sons friends to see Matrix last year, and we all shared after the movie, gosh I felt such a common loving bond develop through shared ideas, and these guys were really open, interested thoughtful, and had great insights, understandings, and I respected their decisions and choices. They are the next generation, and staying close to them is important, and 'inventing' as many ways as possible to keep them thinking, aware, and truly focused on the golden future we are inspired to dream into reality. In love and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8392 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Public opinion and light of the soul Greetings to All, And to you Paul, have enjoyed your postings recently, and just love this sentence: "'The inscription on the spiritual banner for public opinion should be light of the soul instead of belief system of the personality.' Paul Yu" And this brings to mind, how do we in our public/personal encounters keep this paramount and foremost in our exchange, and open others to want to fly the spiritual banner as well???!!! It is so easy to be tempted by the high energies of emotional expression, rather than be seduced by the loving peaceful quiet direction of the soul. Once again, it is a choice, and the decision made, all sorts of magnificent opportunities open up!! In love and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-08/8393 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Understanding From something I was reading this morning: "I see people who talk about religion constantly quarreling with one another. Hindus, Mussulmans, Brahmos, Saktas, Vaishnavas, Saivas all quarrel with one another. They haven't the intelligence to understand that He who is called Krishna is also Siva and the Primal Shakti, and that it is He, again, who is called Jesus and Allah. "There is only one Rama and He has a thousand names." Truth is one; only It is called by different names. All people are seeking the same Truth; the variance is due to climate, temperament, and name. A lake has many ghats. From one ghat the Hindus take water in jars and call it jal. From another ghat the Mussulmans take water in leather bags and call it pani. From a third the Christians take the same thing and call it "water." Suppose someone says that the thing is not jal but pani, or that it is not pani but water, or that it is not water but jal. It would indeed be ridiculous. But this very thing is at the root of the friction among sects, their misunderstandings and quarrels. This is why people injure and kill one another, and shed blood, in the name of religion. But this is not good. Everyone is going toward God. They will all realize Him if they have sincerity and longing of heart." Ramakrishna Thanks for letting me share, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8394 From: Roger Earnshaw Subject: Re: FAIRY DUST Hi JJ all of the Keysters, Just a few comments from Australia about the ********"New List for invited guests only" ************ I have been a member of this list since almost beginning times. I have watched it grow and prosper under JJ's expert handling of the teachings he needs to pass on to us. I have watched Rick doing his best to mediate, without taking sides, through the tough times and the good times. Now it all blows up again, as it has so many times before. We have some 180 people on this list, of which maybe only a dozen or so are vocal. We are all aware of the views of the few, but what about the opinion and well being of the vast majority who, like myself regard the teachings and the guidance of JJ are an important part of our learning curve. We also can, and do put up with those budding politicians that are practicing their skills of saying lots, and blinding the audience with absolute meaningless dribble, and after reading some of the earlier versions of these, I made a conscious decision that this was fine for those interested, but I had no need of it in my life. Consequently I set a filter to delete all messages from certain ones that had proved to me their level of understanding was not were I was at...............end of story. I was guided ( stumbled ) onto this list from Dewey's Immortal part 1, and have never regretted my joining. I do not feel justified to reply to all and sundry, as there are lots of great people here on this that can express far better than I. Consequently I remain mostly in lurker mode, but I do feel that this list with all its distractions is important to a lot of people. I was contacted by 2 other Australians that were a little distressed at the goings on. This prompted me to say my piece. JJ, I honour your commitment to this list, and please know there are a lot of silent majority out here that are very appreciative of the effort you put in. Love & Light Roger ****************** It makes little difference what's happening out there, It's how you take it that counts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Roger Earnshaw Clarendon South Australia Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8395 From: J J Dewey Subject: PP&G Part 4 Project Peace and Good Will Part IV WILL THE TOTALITARIAN NATIONS ACCEPT THE PLAN? The skeptic (and there is nothing wrong with being skeptical) may see the possibility of the democratic nations endorsing the Plan, but may see the cooperation of the totalitarian nations as an impossibility Herein lies the great deception for all people on the Earth, no matter what their ideology, no matter what their status, free or slave, no matter what their wealth, are still people - just like you and I. They have loves and hates, and fears and hopes, and none of them, get this: NONE OF THEM want to see the human race destroyed by nuclear weapons, and NONE OF THEM want to see their sons and daughters fight a senseless war. The key to the implementation of the Plan in China or Iran will follow the same process as its implementation in America or Great Britain. First the Plan must be written in their language and distributed, and the people must be enlightened as to its feasibility. Then when the master of dictators, kings, and presidents alike (the people) speak even the totalitarian leaders will find they have to obey. We must, of course, recognize that the leaders of the totalitarian nations will not accept the Plan of their own initiative. Nevertheless, they are controlled by the will of the people just as the leaders of the democratic nations are. The difference is that the leaders in totalitarian nations have greater control in programming the will of the people so it is on their side, even if they are living in slavery and poverty. During the Cold War most of the Russian people thought they were better off than Americans and Europeans because they were deceived by their leaders just as the Argentines were during the war in the Falklands. Even so, when a people receive enlightenment about their true situation as the Argentines did, they could change their government in three days if it did not cooperate with them. The people in Russia, China, Iraq and other nations must be educated as to the nature of their true omnipotence. Millions of Bibles have been smuggled into the totalitarian nations. This is a great feat considering that it is over a thousand pages. This treatise is but a few pagers, and if millions of Bibles can be smuggled into those nations then millions more of this concept can be, especially considering the power of the Internet hat is soon to proliferate the planet. We will see that there will be eager readers and people willing to go to great risk to spread the word. Once the common people become enlightened on Project Peace and Goodwill and the fire of truth is lighted, no power on Earth can stop its spreading until the light fills the whole planet and its Purpose is accomplished. When a people like the Russian or Chinese people see that there is a way to nuclear disarmament and world peace and their leaders are dragging their feet, then they will rise up and do something about it. They will exercise their true heritage as men and woman, the masters of the Earth, free agents unto themselves. In addition to the printed word great effort will be taken to reach the general public in totalitarian regimes through the media: radio and television. Every method of reaching the common people should be looked into and explored. No expense is too high, no effort is too great, no vision is too improbable in implementing the Plan. Every possible avenue must be tried and tested and tried again until Peace and Goodwill is established on the Earth. THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE NATIONS We can clearly see from what has been said that the basic principle involved in influencing the leader's of any nation is the same. The people control their leaders WHEN THEY DECIDE TO. Only an apathetic or greatly deceived populous Is controlled by their leaders, and this is true whether the government Is totalitarian or democratic. We must recognize that the nations whose acceptance of the Plan is most crucial are those who pose the greatest threat to life on Earth. These are presently: The USA, Russia. and China. If these three countries accept this Declaration, then others will follow. A fourth most important nation is Israel. Because she is a center point of conflict and emotional fire she is a focal point of danger in the world, yet a growing portion of her population is developing a desire for peaceful co- existence. She could set a, great ensign for world peace if she would accept the Declaration. If the above nations prove stubborn in accepting the Plan then an accumulation of smaller nations may prove to have an equal influence if they unite for the cause of peace. Thus, all nations should be worked with until the Declaration begins to become accepted by world leaders. The most important nation to accept the Declaration Is the first one to accept it for when even one nation accepts it a great power for thrusting it before the consideration of the peoples of the world will be created. The United States is recognized as the most influential nation In the free world and thus it is most desirable that she accept the Declaration. Great energy should be Invested with this end in mind, but if another nation shows particular interest, then an extra effort should be diverted there. Remember, the most important nation to accept the Declaration is the first. It is expected that most of the democratic nations will accept the Declaration before the totalitarian nations seriously consider it. If this is the case another potent power of influence will be created in addition to that of their own common people. The combined unification of the free world behind the Declaration will create a great magnetic influence among the totalitarian nations putting a great deal of pressure on them to accept. When this happens they are liable to make watered down counter proposals to pacify public and world opinion, but no counter proposal should be endorsed unless it contains the safeguards, the inspections in particular, as contained in the Declaration. In the past there have been many individuals, groups, and peoples who have mouthed and promoted the ideal of world peace, but each presentation seemed to have only the effect of a dream. Something seemed to be missing. 'What was It? In each one no a definite plan fired with Purpose was presented and vision seemed to be missing. The United Nations presented a beautiful Ideal, but has been ineffective because the nations did not agree on a plan beforehand that would keep the peace or save the world from nuclear weapons. When a war breaks out on this planet they cannot effectively deal with it because the nature of aggression was not defined previously and the nations cannot agree who has the responsibility and who should be condemned. In addition to this many member nations are at odds with each other and points of agreement in some areas are next to impossible. The Declaration of Peace and Goodwill has the advantage of drawing up the rules beforehand and the nations, must agree to them as a condition of membership. If their covenants are broken they lose their membership automatically. Thus a nation does not have to condemn an ally by voting against him If he should become an aggressor instead this situation is adjusted for in the Declaration itself. Project Peace and Goodwill is not intended to replace the United Nations, but it hopes to work in cooperation with it, and will seek the eventual endorsement of that organization. It is true that the United Nations has its faults, and has been condemned by many conservatives as a great arm, of a world wide conspiracy leading to a one world dictatorship, but few realize that this same fear was expressed by the thirteen colonies toward the formation of a federal government in the United States. They felt they would lose their freedom as individuals and states if a union were created. If the Revolutionary War did not force Union it is possible that today this land would consist of numerous different states with some free and some slave; some rich and some poor like the Latin American countries, and some may be controlled by a state religion and some not. However one looks at It the Union has been a benefit to the States and the entire world despite the drawbacks. The eventual Union of all nations in the world with the goal of the preservation of peace and freedom can be an even greater benefit providing individual sovereignty and culture is preserved. The Union of the States within the United. States has been so successful that today no one fears the possibility of one State making war with another. This was not always the case. Today the nations of the Earth are in a similar relationship toward each other as were the States before the Constitution was established. Within a hundred years from now the nations can establish a peaceful, working relationship that can be as harmonious toward one another as that of the States in our era. The time will come when no one will fear one nation taking up arms against another. The nations of the world are headed toward a union of some kind whether we like it or not. If the people of good will sit back and let others set the course of union it is likely to be a union that leads to tyranny. Therefore, it is essential that those with good intentions do not relax but instead be the ones who initiate the plan. The people should use the power of their influence to cause the UN to evolve into an agent that will truly benefit humanity. Any union of powers can be directed for good or evil. We must realize that the people are the ultimate directors of any organization, and their hands are never tied as they think they are. If the United Nations has its faults they can be corrected by the influence of the people of the world. If public and world opinion demand change, then the United Nations must make the necessary corrections, or be set aside and superceded by another organization that will conform to the people. It's the people's own fault when they throw their hands in the air and think there is nothing they can do. There is ALWAYS something they can do because the common people are the masters of the Earth. They must wake up and realize their destiny, for the master is only not obeyed when he is asleep. Project Peace and Goodwill is totally dedicated to making this world a safe place to live so when this generation lies down to rest, they will rest peacefully knowing that untold future generations may prosper on the Earth because of the great decision that humanity will make at this time. Project Peace and Goodwill is to be, of course, a non profit making organization. All the monies received by it is to be spent for the promulgation of The Declaration of Peace and Goodwill and the achievement of its goals. Nothing repulses the average man more than seeing the head of a non profit making organization receive a large salary while at the same time claiming to be helping the poor or afflicted. Such a person tends to have little understanding or empathy toward the general populace. For this reason, and also the fact that the money obtained for the Plan is best used for the furtherance of the Plan, there will be no large salaries paid in Project Peace and Goodwill. The time will come when some full time workers will be necessary. When this occurs we encourage a reasonable salary, but modest enough so workers will want to participate for the cause and not the money. The motives of those who lead the way to world peace must be centered on helping all humanity and not the small individual personal self. Most of the workers for the Plan will be volunteers who receive no pay, but give of their spare time to help in a project to benefit their fellow men and women. Even though the group will appeal to many ordinary people, the value of the endorsement of the rich and famous should not be overlooked. As time progresses more and more influential people are less and less attracted to the glamour and illusion of high society. Many of them desire to use their influence to help humanity, if they but knew the wisest course to direct it. Therefore, people such as movie and television stars, sports figures, influential businessmen, politicians, the wealthy, and others should be sought out and taught about the Plan. If they are interested they should be asked to lend their talents, influence, and finances to the cause of peace. The endorsement of one national figure can be worth millions of dollars spent in advertising, and to our advantage there are many of them interested in stopping the nuclear threat. None of the individual ingredients of Project Peace and Goodwill are new. Every concept of world peace has been dreamed of by thousands in ages past. The only thing original about this group is the combination of ingredients that have been put together and the timing of its inception near the beginning of the new millennium. All people are called upon at this time to wake from their slumber, and take stock of the precarious situation we are together in and ACT to insure the way of peace. Let us not make the mistake of waiting until a nuclear terrorist wakes us up to reality. When you think of it, we are extremely fortunate that we have lived fifty-five years into the nuclear age and we are still here intact. Some terrorist could have detonated a suitcase sized bomb in a major city. One small computer error and Russia, China or the United States could send off a missile by accident. Experts say that an accident or computer error is much more likely to start a nuclear war than an aggressive action for each year hundreds of computer errors indicate an invasion that never was. Fortunately, they have all been caught and corrected, but for how long??? On top of this nations outside of the United States with nuclear capacity have computer systems that are more subject to error than this country. What if they register a U.S. missile containing a nuclear warhead coming their direction when it is only an error on the computer? When you think of it, the situation humanity has gotten itself in is madness. It is something one does not even want to think of, yet ignoring the problem does not make it go away. Even the most unfeeling of humanity shudder when they think of a possible doomsday hanging over our heads. And, of course, regular nuclear weapons is now just one of the problems mankind faces. There is also the neutron bomb, biological warfare, computer warfare, control of weather and natural forces and so on. Yet the situation as it is does not have to be and the power to change it is in our hands. Let us use that power and carve out a now frontier and pave the way for a new age of reason, enlightenment, and right human relations. Coming Next: The Declaration Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8396 From: J J Dewey Subject: Responsibility for Peace Thanks for the supporting words Roger, but it seems that either your post or mine was so profound that it silenced everyone. Maybe we need another question. I was waiting for the time to comment on the members answers to the last one, but instead I think I'll ask another and cover both this and the last set of questions in one post. We are presently approaching a potential age of peace, a time that has been looked for over thousands of years by prophets, enlightened teachers and disciples. I do not think that there will be any argument over the point that we all have some responsibility in helping this new age to materialize. I believe that most of us on the list do not expect to sit back and do nothing and just wait for God to do it all wit some touch of a magic button. So let us go on the assumption that we do have some responsibility. How much responsibility do we have and how many planes does it extend to? There will be two major points of view here. (1) Our only responsibility will be to have peace within ourselves and extend peace and love to our neighbors. If everyone does this then there will automatically materialize peace on the earth. By using the inner powers alone we can change the outward reality without real work and action on the physical plane. Thus the way of peace is quite simple. (2) This person agrees that we must have peace within ourselves and also extend it to our neighbor, but feels that this is not enough. There are a lot of well meaning people out there, but with fixed ideas who are happy to go to war to defend them. Part of the populace living in peace with themselves will have little effect on them for these people often think they have inner peace themselves. Just as there must be some plan and structure to discourage thieves burglarizing your home there must also be a plan on the physical plane that is followed to prevent war. Assignment: Pick the category that is closest to your line of thought and tell us why you think your choice will work. I know that some will believe that they are in a third category, but I suspect this third category will really be closely linked to one of the above two. So please do not claim you are in a third category unless you can clearly define it. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8397 From: Laura Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace I would certainly say that I am of the second category here, JJ. I know that "Peace begins with me", but that is certainly not enough. I also know that I must extend this peace to my neighbor, but that is also not enough. Why? Because a simultaneous peaceful decision isn't going to happen all at once, it's going to take missionaries of a sort to spread the word and convince others to do the same to get the word out to the people of the earth. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8398 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace J J Dewey writes: "Assignment: Pick the category that is closest to your line of thought and tell us why you think your choice will work. I know that some will believe that they are in a third category, but I suspect this third category will really be closely linked to one of the above two. So please do not claim you are in a third category unless you can clearly define it." I believe that the true power is in the people, as you have said recently. I don't believe that big powerful men really dominate or enslave the people. Deeper than the means of forceful power, the aspiration of humankind moves mountains, as has been shown in WWII. So as true power is in the people, it is the people that must declare and accomplish peace, and force their leaders to promote it. Peace with your neighbours is something, but it won't prevent big corporations to make their own laws. The people have to rule the highest institutions and companies. Of course, it begins at a short personal range, then it expands until reaching the whole of humankind. Once you're at peace and productive with your family and work, you can extend this peaceful influence (and power of action) to broader circles, as someone (Lorraine?) once described in a post. MAny people think that authority by force has the greatest power there is on earth. It's a pity, because these people are sometimes very intelligent and above average, yet they lack the intuitive knowledge of the soul. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8399 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace J J Dewey wrote: "Thanks for the supporting words Roger, but it seems that either your post or mine was so profound that it silenced everyone." I enjoyed Roger's post too, JJ, but didn't reply in case I was one of the ones he blocked out! lol Anyway, Roger, for the record, I never forget the silent ones of the list and I embrace you all. I know many of you say the Song and I always link with you when I say it. There is a lot of merit in silence, something I keep telling myself without much effect, so I apologize if I have contributed in any to the babble that's manifested on the list in the recent past. "Assignment: Pick the category that is closest to your line of thought and tell us why you think your choice will work." There is no doubt in my mind that I am in the second category. We are all responsible for the condition of the world and therefore we have to be proactive if we wish to change it. We have to foster the principles of goodwill and co-operation and openly fight for justice and peace in the spirit of acceptance and forgiveness. Only when that is achieved will the Christ reappear and earth will enter the promised Golden Age. So what do we do? We can join peace organisations and support them financially (and that includes buying their yukky tee-shirts etc), we can take stands on issues like gun control, human rights, military alliances and spending, we can sign petitions and go on peace marches. And, of course, we can promote the principles espoused in Project Peace and Goodwill (when it is finished, I intend to send copies to every peace organization in NZ - if that's OK, JJ - many of them need to get crank started again). We can also take a stand on issues like globalization, third world debt, the International Monetary System etc because we know that wars are invariably the result of the inequitable distribution of resources, greed and a corresponding lack. If only countries tithed like individuals maybe there wouldn't be so much poverty and so many wars. The list of what we could be doing is endless.... Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself. - Thomas Jefferson Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8400 From: Susi Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace (JJ) So let us go on the assumption that we do have some responsibility. How much responsibility do we have and how many planes does it extend to? (Susi) Planes? When speaking of planes can you clarify if I have misunderstood please. My thoughts are that you are speaking of planes like astral, etheric, etc... So my answer is it must extend to all planes of consciousness. (JJ) There will be two major points of view here. (1) Our only responsibility will be to have peace within ourselves and extend peace and love to our neighbors. If everyone does this then there will automatically materialize peace on the earth. By using the inner powers alone we can change the outward reality without real work and action on the physical plane. Thus the way of peace is quite simple. (2) This person agrees that we must have peace within ourselves and also extend it to our neighbor, but feels that this is not enough. There are a lot of well meaning people out there, but with fixed ideas who are happy to go to war to defend them. Part of the populace living in peace with themselves will have little effect on them for these people often think they have inner peace themselves. Just as there must be some plan and structure to discourage thieves burglarizing your home there must also be a plan on the physical plane that is followed to prevent war. Assignment: Pick the category that is closest to your line of thought and tell us why you think your choice will work. I know that some will believe that they are in a third category, but I suspect this third category will really be closely linked to one of the above two. So please do not claim you are in a third category unless you can clearly define it. (Susi) Category (2) It is my nature to be fairly passive, it is an instinctive behavior and to see a fight where two or more people are beating each other due to lack of understanding has always been a great source of pain and disappointment. Passive does not however mean that I will not stand up and speak out against that violence. By speaking out against it does not mean that I belittle or speak condescendingly toward those that do use threats or violence to maintain their authority. It also does not mean that I speak out against all acts of violence, life is often times violent by nature alone but human acts of violence have never sat well with me. I have accepted that there is deeply imbedded within each of us a innate desire to establish where we exist in the pecking order. This desire leads many to violence. I feel that if we as teachers, students, parents, guardians and leaders come together and recognize this as the starting point of human violence then we can also come together with a unified plan of action to suppress and eventually decrease humanities violent tendencies. This is not an over night plan and in many years from now if enough people adopt this way of thinking human violence can be almost completely eliminated. The plan in its rough stages is as follows: There is no better place than to start with ourselves. Each and every time myself or some one close (not related, just in close proximity) to me or any one of the others mentioned above who are in align with the plan see an act of aggression I/we vow to step in and help solve it with out violence. When I/we see children fighting for their position in the pecking order I/we will give alternative ways to find it that do not include violence. I/we also will and do spend much of our time trying to understand other peoples needs, desires and methods of achieving their goals if they are different than our own and vow to teach others the value and importance in this action. When I/we find I/we do disagree even after understanding then I/we do and will promote Tolerance. If our neighbor turns out to be a mean spirited person I/we vow not to return their meanness but also not to go out of our way to interact with them in fact you would be safe in assuming that I/we would go out of our way to avoid them. However if I/we did find it necessary to have contact with them I/we would extend our help and kindness as an example of what I/we ourselves would like to receive. The above is what I/we would like to see all humans take to heart and do their best to implement. There will be times when we fall short of our goal to promote peace by way of lashing out with our tongues and fists, but if we realize that we have digressed from our original plan of action to what we have learned by our peers and society then we can and will correct our actions... with apologies.... prior to gathering our arms and doing extreme acts of violence. If we as the teachers, students, parents, guardians and leaders of this planet......I/we do not comprehend thinking anything less than globally.... truly make a unified effort to achieve this goal how do you think the little ones who are born into this type of society will learn? My/our thoughts are that they will come to understand respect for all opinions, all differences and that they will establish their place in the pecking order not by way of violence, but through their ability to do good for themselves, others, and all that exists or ever will. I am of the opinion so far in this lifetime that the true nature of humans is to Love, we see it every time there is a need there are always those that come to the aid of others. It is my hope to commit random acts of kindness, unconditional acts of love, and tolerance to set an example for all to see. My plans include building my company which will allow myself and others a safe place to discuss these issues and share different perspectives on how to go about finding this peaceful side locked away inside of us. I will invite speakers and hold open store evenings specifically for this purpose. It also includes all the elements to incorporate this line of thinking or variations there of into each and everyone of this companies employees lives if they so choose though I suspect the employees that each individual franchise of this company attracts will be of like mind. This company has taken a lot of time and energy to date and might not seem like much to many who view it as it currently sits but then most things I have accomplished in my life go unnoticed until one day people wake up and say....'hey, where did that come from'. It is not the recognition I seek, it is the goal. This company I have been quietly building will embrace all companies who have similar goals so long as they are peaceful and not rigid in their approach (s) in implementing their plans for world peace. One thing is for certain..... It is best to set short term goals that are attainable so as not to get discouraged by the length of time it will take to achieve the long term goals. Some of these long term goals may just take a life time or more. Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8401 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: PP&G Part 4 J J Dewey wrote: "Project Peace and Goodwill is to be, of course, a non profit making organization. All the monies received by it is to be spent for the promulgation of The Declaration of Peace and Goodwill and the achievement of its goals." OK. So who files the papers to set the non-profit corporation up? ;) And what do we name it? I'm shuddering at the impending debate of that. Given what happened when 'keysters' came up last time...... Perhaps we can learn from that? ;) "Nothing repulses the average man more than seeing the head of a non profit making organization receive a large salary while at the same time claiming to be helping the poor or afflicted. Such a person tends to have little" Exactly. Since an organization would be required to handle this thing it should be set up in such a way that it can't happen. Or at least that the rest of the members can remove someone taking advantage of the money in the bank accounts. Since the best type of org I can think of for this in the non-profit corporation something could be put in the bylaws to account for the possibility. Does someone know of a better org that we could establish? We would need to be able to create bank accounts and such. So it would have to be able to be legally recognized as an entity. A corp is the only org I'm aware of that works. If JJ wasn't so busy I'd nominate him. He has enough on his plate. I may be jumping the gun a little here, but something must be done and this is a good plan. JJ has the right idea here. If we can get something resembling a consensus I'll volunteer to write up the articles of incorporation and set it up here. Maybe at the gathering in June we can elect a board and draw up bylaws? I've done this before, so perhaps I can use some of my experience to expedite the process. Finally I see something I can do here. ;) Travis Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8402 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace J J Dewey wrote: "(2) This person agrees that we must have peace within ourselves and also extend it to our neighbor, but feels that this is not enough. There are a" This is where I am. I feel that to achieve world peace you must be at peace yourself, but that alone is not good enough. You must help others learn that it is the right way, that only through peace can we achieve true happiness. Option 1 has been tried, it failed. There are groups of peaceful people all over the world. Buddhism teaches peace IIRC. These people are called pacifists and are dismissed by everyone else. Part of the problem is that the pacifists can't express their reasons for doing it that way to everyone else. They are instead seen as weak and targeted by the violent types. Peace must extend outside oneself to be effective on the whole. It is a good first step, but it is not enough by itself. Travis Post No. keys-l: /1999/11-16/8403 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace Glenys Lowery wrote: "We can also take a stand on issues like globalization, third world debt, the International Monetary System etc because we know that wars are invariably the result of the inequitable distribution of resources, greed and a corresponding lack. If only countries tithed like individuals maybe there wouldn't be so much poverty and so many wars." Perhaps. IMO countries shouldn't even have the funds available to tithe. Any monies that a national government has, it stole from the people (unless given of course). I don't feel it is the place of government to redistribute wealth. The people arrange for that quite well by themselves. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8404 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: PP&G Part 4 Travis Tabbal wrote: "I may be jumping the gun a little here, but something must be done and this is a good plan. JJ has the right idea here. If we can get something resembling a consensus I'll volunteer to write up the articles of incorporation and set it up here. Maybe at the gathering in June we can elect a board and draw up bylaws? I've done this before, so perhaps I can use some of my experience to expedite the process. Finally I see something I can do here. ;)" And for what my opinion's worth, I think you'd do it splendidly, Travis. Way to go!! Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself. - Thomas Jefferson Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8405 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace Travis Tabbal wrote: "Glenys Lowery wrote: "We can also take a stand on issues like globalization, third world debt, the International Monetary System etc because we know that wars are invariably the result of the inequitable distribution of resources, greed and a corresponding lack. If only countries tithed like individuals maybe there wouldn't be so much poverty and so many wars." "Perhaps. IMO countries shouldn't even have the funds available to tithe. Any monies that a national government has, it stole from the people (unless given of course). I don't feel it is the place of government to redistribute wealth. The people arrange for that quite well by themselves." Yes, I take your point, Travis. But I have no problem with giving money to a government to be used for foreign aid on a larger scale such as rebuilding programs, educational projects etc. I know when NZ used to give just 1% of its GNP to other countries, we were a lot wealthier. It may be coincidence that since we started giving only give a fraction of that, our standard of living has dropped dramatically. Giving increases prosperity all round; it is good economic management. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself. - Thomas Jefferson Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8406 From: DKarountzos Subject: New Immortal Member - Dino JJ, I just wanted to introduce myself. I've read both Book I & II of the Immortal series and just yesterday finished all the posts to date on the Keys of Knowledge List. I am 32 years old of Greek heritage who lives in a suburb of Chicago - Roselle. Since early childhood I've always been in search about the truth of life & our existence. I have ventured into many philosophies and studied them, but none have quite inspired me as much as your teachings have. I first came upon your material from my cousin Peter, who you'll be hearing from soon. My curiosity toward your book was based on my search to try to understand the Book of Revelation, which was written by John the Apostle. Your books and posts gave me much more than that. It gave me a better understanding of who we are. First, I would like to ask you a question which may not pertain exactly to what your teachings are. I hope this is not an inconvenience to you because I understand that your time is very limited. I was wondering how much truth there is to Zecharia Sitchin's books, also known as the "Earth Chronicles". If there is truth to it, are these the beings called the fallen angels? Was their purpose inspired by the dark side or was their mission part of the creating process which may someday be in the future for our people as well? If you have any insight on this subject I would really appreciate it. Also, I'd like to ask your advise on the fact that even though I feel inspired and open minded on what you teach, for some reason I don't feel I have ever experienced soul contact. Perhaps the reason for this is because I have never been able to meditate. My thirst for knowledge has always been on the physical level - through reading and keeping an open mind. I feel stuck here. My thirst for knowledge is now at the spiritual/soul level. Is there anything you can suggest that would assist me in reaching soul contact - maybe a book, video tape or just some wisdom. I hope to hear from you soon. Keep up the good work, Dino Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8407 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: JJ's Questions I don't think anyone has any doubt which group I'm in. Travis made an excellent point about Buddhist Pacifism and it's effect down through the years. Pacifism hasn't changed the world in a positive way in thousands of years. While England, and all of Europe slept the sleep of Pacifism, Hitler's madness found fertile ground for growth. If Europe had awakened to his threat they would have stopped his strong arming at Munich, and millions of innocent lives would have been saved, yet Europe, and the United States slept in a Euphoric Slumber of Denial. Ignoring the beast has never made it go away, it has only provided easy growth. Please take note that these statements are being made by one, who has long taught, Tao, Bharaiv Tantra, and it's children, Zen Buddhism, and numerous forms of Yoga, including Kundalini. Laura, and I have been working on setting up a non-profit organization for some time. The ramifications are enormous, and I'm not ashamed to say that I've been covered up with a multitude of things to do with the project at hand. Travis if you dare to do, you have the power to do. God speed to you in this facet of the work. Glad to see your volunteer. Another thing we seem to be overlooking is that we're a lot closer to the source if we use our Office in New Jerusalem, and go through the process of the Meditation over, and over again. We find a great deal of inspiration from the molecule there. A bit of the right fruit in our diet empowers us even more. I have not heard much mention of this great source as of late. It puts us in touch with the Hierarchy, and inspiration from the source is the result. Looking down from the mental plane, not Astral, gives us a totally different perspective of the Global Proportions, and Magnitude of the Mission we face. The Astral gives nothing but distortion. This Mission is going to require an enormous amount of Organizational Skills, and determining where each persons true strength, and abilities lie, so each, and everyone of us can be most effective. Some will undoubtedly feel that they should be doing the job someone else is doing, this never fails to happen. Each must find there own strength, and gifts, and develop them so that they may be of the greatest benefit to mankind. When JJ first presented these questions, the first thing that struck me was get back to basics, that's where we lost our way. As I prepare lessons for the other group each day, I have become increasing aware of this. Being pulled out of center will happen again, and again, until the Molecule is established, and Harmonized. There has been mention of returning to the study of the Beast as of late on the list. You would be surprised how much a review of those very subjects, snaps one back in center. Oh and the Song, sung as many times a day as possible is a great help in centering both us, and the group. You didn't think I caught that message did you Jean? Then there is spending more time in NJ, making a Decision concerning our Intent, and placing our Attention on the Mission at hand. Working from the Mental Plane is far Superior than working from anything below it, and gives clarity in what lies ahead, and the best way to approach it. What we dare to do we have the power to do, yet each of us must truthfully ask ourselves, if we can find that Motivation deep within ourselves, or are we being motivated by an outside force. Do we really believe this is possible, and do we truly believe in our own ability to stay the course in the face of many severe storms. What we begin from outside sources in finite, but the Fire that drives us from within is Infinite, it does not grow tired, nor diminish. Are we willing to give this much of ourselves, more probably every bit of ourselves to this Mission. These are just a few of the questions I have asked myself in the last few days. Each one of us must find their own answers to these, and many others within themselves. JJ I hope you will accept this as my answers to your questions, I sincerely doubted you would be interested in the book version or the many charts and graphs lying on my desk right now. I know this - it's a lot easier to clean up my office in NJ, than it is the one I'm working in right now. LOL Your Friend, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8408 From: Laura Subject: Re: New Immortal Member - Dino Welcome to the list, Dino :) You and your cousin are more than welcome at this table. My name is Laura, and I'm located in Cincinnati, just a bit south east of you:) I'm 21 and have been a member of the list for about 3 months, now. Just a word on soul contact.. I, too, believed when I began reading here that I had never achieved soul contact in my life, but it turned out that I was so comfortable with my own soul and its voice that I had not recognized it for what it was. The best advice I can give you is to be still. It doesn't require meditation, per se, but it requires you to take a quiet time alone with yourself. The best therapy for me as I began to learn to listen and recognize my soul would be to take a long walk alone at night and memorize the Song of the 144,000 :) And once again, Dino.. welcome to the family:) -Laura Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8409 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT Dino Welcome Dino, how wonderful to have you join the family. Your questions are great, especially now because a book i'm just now reading (& a video that goes along with it) have caused me to ask the same questions regarding Sitchen, i truly enjoyed his books, but have just read that he doesn't want the author i'm reading to go into his findings and this strikes me as very odd. It's really nice to have you at the table Dino, you can have all the food & drink you can hold and refills are always ready to be served. I'm looking forward to reading more of your posts. warmest affections to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-09/8410 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say. I have seen lots of ideologies that seem right, on the surface, but often prove harmful or useless in the big picture. Heaven is the apex where all paths converge into a single point. The closer you get to truth, the more unified it becomes. None of us is there yet and I feel it is best for me to push myself and others to continually seek the One Truth, so I see myself as being in category 2. Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-16/8411 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: New Immortal Member - Dino Hi Dino, Welcome home. My impression of Zecharia Sitchin's books is that he does a great job of digging up interesting information and the jumps to a lot of wrong conclusions. He also ignores things that don't jive with his theories. Just my opinion, Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8412 From: J J Dewey Subject: Soul Revisited John, I love your statement: "What we dare to do we have the power to do." Did you just make that up or is it a quote? Concerning the staring of organizations I like the statement of Isaiah: "He that believeth does not make haste." The most important thing at present is to promote the ideas of peace and see how healthy the response is. You have yet to read the Declaration of Peace which is the core of the treatise. Nevertheless, I am glad to see a new budding initiate in Travis for he seeks to initiate. Don't let me discourage you. I just want to make sure we lay a secure foundation to any organization we create. My thanks to all of you who posted lately. Sorry I do not have time to comment tonight. I'll be posting Catching Up Part II soon and hope that will make me current in commenting on your comments. Welcome to the list Dino. My feelings on Zecharia Sitchin's Books are similar to other comments made. I once picked up his Twelfth Planet and read about ten pages and never picked one of his books up again. I feel that he has some things that are true, but many are not. I did not sense that any principles would be presented. Nevertheless, it is entirely possible that books which do not impress me will stimulate great interest in another. Sometimes even books containing great errors will stimulate a person to search. The true seeker will often have his soul speak to him between the lines. I have already written quite a bit on soul contact so I thought I would take some of my past writings and repost them. Below are some of my writings about the subject. In the case of spiritual teachings, the ultimate test of truth is from the inner self. This inner self, through the medium of the Soul, contacts and registers the Holy Spirit ,which is capable of verifying all true principles. In short, this process is called "soul contact." Soul contact has little to do with facts, except in important circumstances, but it has much to do with principles. For instance, your soul may not verify to you what an inhabitant of Sirius looks like or how many there are, but it will verify to you the principle of life and its existence elsewhere in the universe. If a man or woman comes forth and presents or is presented as a spiritual teacher, you must not accept him or her (we'll say "him" for simplicity) just because a claim is made. You must test him. How do you test him? Listen to his words and test them with your soul. If your soul says no then drop him immediately. If your soul says nothing then test some more until you receive an inner response. When you finally do receive an inner response does this mean you should now accept the teacher? Maybe yes, maybe no - because there is a true soul contact and a false one. There are many people who are sincere seekers who have never in their life received a true soul contact and therefore mistake a high emotional feeling for soul. This can be very deceptive and can produce the type of person who may have from a harmless delusion to one who will destroy others for his master. If you are not sure you have ever received soul contact it means you have not, because when you do, you recognize it and know what has happened. It is like coming home. On the other hand, not all who are sure they have received soul contact have received it. Some feel a high emotional energy and are sure they have touched the aura of God Himself, yet are completely deceived. Only those who have received true soul contact can know a thing for sure and can recognize a true teacher from a false one. The only way to know if another has achieved soul contact is to achieve it yourself. One person who has received this contact can recognize another who has received it. Question: If only a small number have soul contact and you're not positive if you have, are you doomed to be deceived? No you are not. Soul contact is available to all who with pure intent seek after it. You do not even have to be highly evolved to feel it. But if you are not sure if you have received it, yet then here are some guidelines to keep you on the right course. (1) Keep your intentions pure and seek the service of the whole above the service to the ego. (2) Seek with sincerity to know more and to go higher. (3) Let common sense rule above lower emotional feeling. If your teacher says that Aliens are coming to pick you up on a certain date and then they don't arrive, that ought to tell you something. No matter what excuses he makes he was wrong and now all his teachings should be suspect. Maybe you should be teaching him. (4) When any degree of soul contact is reached and you receive direction from the soul, keep following that instruction until more is given. If you do not, you may be cut off for a long period and wind up in an illusionary path. Always follow the highest you can perceive. (5) Remember the words of the Master: "Straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be who enter, but wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to death and many there be who go therein." The teachers of the wide gate are legion and are easy to find. The teachers who lead to the life of the soul are few, but fortunately can be verified by the soul. As one who claims to present true spiritual principles, I invite you to check with your souls about me, for the only authority I will ever use will be the same authority that I am subject to. If the One Holy Spirit of Truth speaks through me and you together, we will be as one mind. One with soul contact can find more truth in the National Enquirer than one who is in illusion can find in the Bible. The Christ consciousness is something else and is achieved by the individual contacting the soul energy within himself. The soul is the point within yourself where the interplay of Spirit and matter is taking place. Thus when we talk about soul contact we are talking about putting our attention and consciousness on this still point within that tells Spirit what matter is doing and matter what Spirit is doing. The Christ consciousness is a key to becoming a knower in the worlds of form as well as the formless worlds. .. Soul contact is THE most important thing for us all to learn for only by learning the principle can we all become as one mind yet retain our complete free will. I was touched by Tracy's comments. In particular her question: "But why is seeking God such a challenge for me? Is it the same for anyone or everyone else out there?" Then she also asked about soul contact. This would be an appropriate subject for us to explore next. I see Garrett has been paying ATTENTION and gathered together even more on the subject than I remembered saying about it. Then he added: "I hope this helps Tracey. The main reason many of us are here is to get to soul contact. We seem to be taking the scenic route to get there though. What the heck, JJ is doing the driving, so I'll sit back and try to soak it all in. Wait...I see a sign post up ahead...it says Soul Contact 1/4 mile. Here we go! (the only question is...at what speed are we traveling?)" Garrett, I'm sure you made not only me, but many others, smile at this comment, yet take serious note at the same time. But perhaps you have already received soul contact because you are right. It is only 1/4 mile ahead - How did you know that? Rick gave some great comments on the subject and all his words in his post are worthy of consideration. Seriously though everything we have covered so far is essential material to reach the kingdom of the soul because as long as the beast is alive and well in us our spiritual vision is blocked, as if we are in a fog. We must become aware of the name of God in our foreheads. It is already there. We must merely still ourselves and let the clouds clear away. Even though this sounds easy, the journey to the kingdom of God is most difficult and has many pitfalls. The higher lives are not just sitting around waiting for you to merely declare that you are ready. You must make yourself useful as a tool in their hands to get their attention. Your soul which is a midway point between matter and spirit, is, however, ever waiting and always present for you. The fact that you are a member of this list and reading these words is itself a sign that you have passed through many lifetimes of struggle and are in preparation for higher contact. When one has established firm soul contact it becomes almost impossible to take offense and if offense is given it is generally by accident or because the other party is offended at simple truth. Thus if you are taking offense at trivia or personality differences you are demonstrating that you are not learning the prime lesson that is intended to be taught here. When I joined this list I considered the most important thing I could share with you. The answer was easy. That is anything I could do to enhance and clarify the soul contact of others would be a valuable service. Actually presenting a teaching that may stimulate that contact is the difficult part. Answer: To my knowledge the principle of illusion has never been explained so average seekers can understand it, yet it is the final block to full soul contact. If I can lead just one person to greater contact then that produces a tremendous benefit because each person who reaches this level influences many people for good. You were also not very enthused about studying the beast yet many of those who followed along received considerable benefit. Therefore all my teachings directly to any student will carry no other authority other than the "Name of the Father/Mother God within." What I say may or may not be true. As you experience soul contact you will check and become your own authority. The current question is: How can DECISION and ATTENTION be used to increase soul contact? Several came close on the decision part. That is we must decide to reach or maintain soul contact. Actually, more important than this is to decide to follow the highest that you know and receive from your inner self. Just deciding something like "I will receive soul contact today or next week" is not enough. If one is penniless and decides to have a new car tomorrow he will generally be disappointed. If one decides to have a new car and take the time and make the effort necessary to get it then there's a good chance he will receive it. Similarly, the decision required of us that is most important is the decision to do that which is necessary to receive and maintain soul contact. Then when you receive contact you must then decide whether or not it is worth the effort necessary to keep the channel open enough to keep the contact continuous. After these decisions are made then ATTENTION must be focused on the soul or "the light in the head" as some writings have it. Another way some teachers have worded this is to "keep your mind focused in the light." Here is what happens after the first few glances at soul contact. When soul contact is first reached the entity has many more energies vying for his attention on the lower planes than the higher. Even though the contact brought a sense of peace and high vibration, this was not enough to keep his attention focused on the things necessary to sustain this. The distractions of the lower world draws the attention away and the focus is taken away from the soul and to the lower vibration. This shift does not happen immediately, but over a period of several days and the shift is so subtle that when the attention is shifted to the lower self the entity will often still believe he is in the soul. If you are in a room with an adjustable light and turn it down gradually over a period of say, an hour, you can have the light diminished by about seventy per cent and never notice it. Then if you suddenly turn the light back immediately to full strength you will be startled to learn how much light you have lost. But you would not realize this unless you turned the light back on to full strength. So it is with the soul. Until we learn to keep our minds focused steady in the light through ATTENTION to the soul or light, we will slip away from that light many times and have to have the power turned on again and again until we finally tire of losing contact and do something about it through the focus of attention. Several have mentioned the importance of meditation and how bad they are at it. Meditation does not necessarily bring soul contact. There are those who meditate all their lives and never achieve it. More important than meditation is contemplation. Contemplation is a positive aspect of meditation and is more active and takes a person in the direction of the soul if ATTENTION is used and the heart is pure. This is the purpose of the Intuitive Principle - to cause you to contemplate on questions in hope of touching the soul. Meditation without contemplation can bring some health benefits and calmness along with some discipline, but this alone does not insure soul contact. When a person's intention is for the good of the whole and he is totally honest with himself about why is performs his service then his heart is pure. If your heart is pure, and the three obstacles are under control, then the doorway to the soul swings open wide. If you are then willing to go through the door soul contact becomes a reality. If you are willing to follow where that contact leads you then more contact Becomes possible. When you learn to always respond to higher communication then constant communion becomes a reality. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8413 From: Lorraine Deckard Subject: category 2 for $200 please Hello Keyster, I guess there is no big surprise that I see myself in the second category. It's not enough for me to have or know something if I don't share it with everyone else. Love isn't love till you give it away, kind of thing. I'd like to welcome Dino. I think it takes a lot of courage to join our group. We're not the most peaceful group but we are the most willing, enlightened and powerful, and I think that might make it even harder to stand up and be counted as one of us. I know lots of people who have read the book and loved it but won't join this list. Fearful they are. Courage it takes. Much greatness I see in one who comes in. :) The gathering is going well, several have rsvp'd already. I love you guys. Lorraine Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8414 From: Paul Yu Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace J J wrote: "(1) Our only responsibility will be to have peace within ourselves and extend peace and love to our neighbors. If everyone does this then there will automatically materialize peace on the earth. By using the inner powers alone we can change the outward reality without real work and action on the physical plane. Thus the way of peace is quite simple." "(2) This person agrees that we must have peace within ourselves and also extend it to our neighbor, but feels that this is not enough. There are a lot of well meaning people out there, but with fixed ideas who are happy to go to war to defend them. Part of the populace living in peace with themselves will have little effect on them for these people often think they have inner peace themselves. Just as there must be some plan and structure to discourage thieves burglarizing your home there must also be a plan on the physical plane that is followed to prevent war." "Assignment: Pick the category that is closest to your line of thought and tell us why you think your choice will work. I know that some will believe that they are in a third category, but I suspect this third category will really be closely linked to one of the above two. So please do not claim you are in a third category unless you can clearly define it." Hi everyone, There is a third category which is different from both the first and the second as much as these are from each other. The first category is described as the inner peace whereby we can change the outward reality without real work and action on the physical plane. The key words are "without real work and action on the physical plane". The difference between the second and the first category lies in the new element in the second which is added to the first and that is that the first is not enough, which means that real work and action on the physical plane is to be added to the inner peace. The inner peace cannot but originate from the soul, the source of love and peace as far as the personality is concerned. The real work and action on the physical plane is obviously of the personality. The crucial question is whether the real work and action on the physical plane is separate from the soul or not. Both first and second categories seem to maintain that it is separate because real work and action on the physical plane is missing in the first category and what is missing is added to the inner peace of the individual in the second category. If the real work and action on the physical plane was considered as part of the natural flow of the energy of the inner peace and is not something to be added to the inner peace we would have a third category that the inner peace of the individual would naturally be expressed and completed by the real work and action on the physical plane. In other words, peace of the soul would be infused into the personality and expressed therein on the physical as well as the emotional and mental planes. Belief in separation within the personality as well as between the personality and the soul can never possibly lead to world peace as a whole consisting in the oneness of peace of both the individual and the group. Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8415 From: "Rapter" Subject: O.T. Pokemon and the Molecular Relationship Last evening I took my young son to see Pokemon the Movie. During the climax of the film the Pokemon's formed a Molecular Relationship! I was absolutely awestruck when this happened. Something strange is going on in Pokemon Land! Although I do not recommend the movie - I do recommend viewing the ending of this film. Keith. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8416 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT Pokeman Thanks Keith, maybe that's why all the movie reviewer's are telling parent's 'Don't Take Your Kids To This Movie', seems like movies are starting to bring lots of messages to those willing to see. i especially liked 'The Matrix' & 'Sphere'. I have a young granddaughter, so we won't look too weird going in. deepest affections to al, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8417 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: O.T. Pokemon and the Molecular Relationship It's takes a true visionary to see something of value in the Pokemon craze. : ) ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8418 From: "Caramel" Subject: Re: New Immortal Member - Dino Welcome Dino!!! Caramel Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8419 From: Lorraine Brutsman Subject: Go Pokemon! The Pokemon thing is exactly how I see us spreading principles throughout the world. We learn from examples. Movies, books and stories are great ways to teach something. Remember Aesopes Fables? I sure do. Fairy Tales too. I like to write with a principle in mind. And I like others who do too. Like the movie Pleasentville or Matrix or the cartoon Hercules. All of them are based on a particular universal principle. Pokemon shows the molecule principle so did the King Arthur movies. Any movie that comes out that also shows the moleculare relationship or any other universal principle only serves to solidify that principle. :) That is very good for us because like the hundred monkey principle we won't seem so strange when everybody understands what we're doing. I Like It! Lorraine Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8420 From: "Anni West" Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace Hi Keysters I definitely belong in category 2. So many great things has been said already about this so I will only add that there is a principle saying that we humans have to do all we can ourselves - then and only then will we get some help in accomplishing our tasks. This goes for world peace too - at least in my dictionary :-)) Dino - it's a pleasure to meet you - Greece is a country that I love very much, so I am happy to welcome you. (I lived there for about 6 months 20 years ago :-)). Fe - where are you? I hope we did not scare you away? I miss your posts. I love you all Anni Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8421 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace Anni wrote: "I definitely belong in category 2. So many great things has been said already about this so I will only add that there is a principle saying that we humans have to do all we can ourselves - then and only then will we get some help in accomplishing our tasks. This goes for world peace too - at least in my dictionary :-))" I so agree with what Anni is saying here; we are able to have great visions, and we are also able to act upon and manifest those divine ideas... So let's use that potential we already have! The best way to learn about yourself and your abilities is to think and do for yourself, not have someone from outside tell you who you are and what you are supposed to do. Actually, that sounds rather beastly, doesn't it? :) But yes, this dude's in category 2 too :) Love, Samu chasethedogstarovertheseahomewheremytrueloveiswaitingformeropethesouthwind Samu Karlsson samu3@dlc.fi samu.karlsson@norpe.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 "Just remember not to forget and you'll be fine... but you already know this, don't you?" canvasthestarsharnessthemoonlightsoshecansafelygoroundthecapehorntovalparaiso Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8422 From Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: Responsibility for Peace Glenys Lowery wrote: "Yes, I take your point, Travis. But I have no problem with giving money to a government to be used for foreign aid on a larger scale such as rebuilding programs, educational projects etc. I know when NZ used to give just 1% of its GNP to other countries, we were a lot wealthier. It may be coincidence that since we started giving only give a fraction of that, our standard of living has dropped dramatically. Giving increases prosperity all round; it is good economic management." My point is, private charity organizations are more efficient at it. Government has no real oversight thus they do what they want. The people can't watch over every little thing, so the government usually gets away with it. A study in the US showed that government programs were at 50% or less efficiency (money collected/money given to the intended recipients). While private charities averaged around 90%. This applies to the US government, I haven't the slightest idea how NZ handles things. Keep in mind, there are many things that can cause differences in economies. Simply giving less away shouldn't cause a huge difference all by itself. Besides, forcing people to donate to charity is theft. Yes, I agree charity is good for everyone, but it's not charity if they hold a gun to your head to enforce it. If someone robbed you and told you they were going to give the money to a local charity would you still call them a thief? I would. It it's YOURS and someone's TAKES it with FORCE, it's THEFT. Period. IMO it's black and white. What it gets used for is irrelevant. Now, if the government wanted to create a VOLUNTARY charity, that you had to donate to (NOT through taxes!!!!!) I would be fine with it. Then they can compete in the open market with all the other charity organizations. I don't really think that's the place for the government, but if enough people do to keep it self-sustaining (like a normal charity) then so be it, I've been outvoted. But under no circumstances should it ever see a dime of stolen money from taxes or any other source. Travis Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8423 From: "Caramel" Subject: Re: Understanding Rick: I agree with you. In fact, I was worried sick over the war with the Pakistan in India earlier this year because things could have gotten out of hand. Fortunately, things did not get out of hand, no nuclear bombs were fired and there was an alert for bombs which I felt relieved by. Phew! I have hopes of visiting that country some day and it is comforting to know everything is okay. I'd feel honored to walk the country were Gandhi once walked. I hope they settle their differences and Peace reign amongst them in India for a long time. Message for those whom construct nuclear weapons: Be aware that though you are enriching yourselves, you are also fabricating the destiny of your sons and daughters. If you feel with the power to destruct, then first seek to also have the power to reconstruct the damage each weapon causes to our environment. To those that buy nuclear weapons: What could be said to thou? This you do for your own monetary interests and thereby feel the need of those who to fear loss of power. There is no worse deafness than having perfect hearing ability and closing your ears to the truth nor worse blindness than having eyes with perfect vision and refuse to see the truth that living in peace and joy is the best alternative for humankind. Last, but not least, what good is it if a bank account is full and there is no food nor anything left to buy with that money??? In the event of a nuclear war, do you really think there will be plenty of places with clean air to breathe, beach bunnies to view and pina coladas for you to spend that money? Think again. Become fully aware of the real consequences of a nuclear war and do not think it will be like in the movies were the main characters always survive and everything is peaches and cream. Having the understanding that we are one, no matter what country we are from, nor what name God is assigned in a given country, then Peace is something definitely worth striving for. See, this is why I keep silent most of the time. I like silence, for of all, in fact I enjoy it. I barely speak up, but when I do, I talk up a storm. So, let me go back to lurker mode. Back I go. Love ya all. Blessings, Caramel Rick Audette wrote: "From something I was reading this morning: I see people who talk about religion constantly quarreling with one another. Hindus, Mussulmans, Brahmos, Saktas, Vaishnavas, Saivas all quarrel with one another. They haven't the intelligence to understand that He who is called Krishna is also Siva and the Primal Shakti, and that it is He, again, who is called Jesus and Allah. "There is only one Rama and He has a thousand names." Post No. keys-l: /1999-11-17/8424 From: "Caramel" Subject: Re: OT Pokeman and 2nd category - Peace Keith/Sharon&Richard: hanks for the tip. I loooovvveeee movies. I'll add Pokeman and Sphere to my "must see" list. I saw The Matrix and loved it. I was and still am reading a book related to the subject of Peace and precisely days later, after I was a