1999 - WEEK 39 Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7263 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Cosmic Masters J J Dewey writes: "Thank you Xavier for asking for clarification on the planes,. This subject will be obtuse for many but some will find it interesting. I will try and be as clear as possible." Thanks for the useful tidbits;-) I was curious about the ranks or consciousness of the ancient of days, the solar logos and all;-) (I'll put caps on them when I have even a slight consciousness of what they are;-) "This goes to show that the group are certainly not robots willing to swallow anything I throw out." Actually I was already aware of the theory of cosmic planes, that's why I saw the contradiction. I wish that those that Don't understand would voice their claim. Though I cant say that I do it when it is me who don't understand something. IS it school that makes us such wimps? Another place for the beast of unjust authority to act. Maybe it is simply the fact that our mental bodies are embrionnary;-) lol or shall we say small and unsure? Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7264 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Samu I know we all love Samu to bits and jump for joy when we see an email from him but I thought it was about time he was thanked again for all the work he does in helping to unite us as a family. Samu maintains the Keysters Family Photo Album site where anyone who wants to send in a photo of themselves can do so. He also maintains an archive of all of JJ's writings to the list. You can find both here: http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/JJArchives.html Samu carries out this labour of love as his service to us all. He has one of the most loving and genuine hearts I've come across and his emails are always a blessing to read. And it's been great to be able to read JJ's past emails and meet other members of the family 'in the flesh' on his photo page. Thank you again, Samu; you are a cherished and beloved member of the family and the service you provide is never taken for granted or forgotten. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You must do the things you think you cannot do. - Eleanor Roosevelt Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7265 From: J J Dewey Subject: Molecular Questions Glenys writes: "You say, JJ, that the New Jerusalem will manifest in a future age. Can you be more specific as to the timetable? In fact, do you have a time frame for the whole scenario from the first human molecule to the NJ? I would surmise that the first human molecule is imminent, then other molecules will appear and the first master molecule soon after?" I cannot give you an exact timeline on any of this because so much is subject to our free will. From a higher view these things are already in existence and their manifestation here on earth is sure, but from our view the length of time between events is difficult to measure. We may have to go through a sifting process before we can gather 24 people capable of soul contact all at the same moment so heaven and earth can be linked. I would guess that this will happen sometime the next five years. It will not be as easy as just finding 24 that want to be in a molecule. We may create several non working molecules before we get a working one. There will also be those who come forth claiming to speak for God, Christ, or Master Zor, saying we have it all wrong. Some of these will be attempts of the Dark Brothers to prevent the Molecular creation After the first one is successfully linked then others will be added more quickly and if the first molecule is stable it will have the effect of stabilizing the ones that will follow. The goal is to have the physical city of New Jerusalem initiated by 2030. There may or may not be 144,000 working atomic units by that time, but there should be over 144,000 fairly enlightened people who are willing to receive. Glenys "Also, can you elaborate on the significance of the molecules of 12 and how their purposes and functions will be different to other numerical groupings? This may help some people work out their direction and life work. Also, will you be involved in other numerical groupings or is your work confined to the 12 structure?" Within the Molecules of 12 there will be sub molecules of seven and three. The molecules in a higher kingdom correspond to the lower, but always with differences. In each new creation the life of God does something "new" and different and better. The human molecule of 12 units is the only one that has successfully manifested in the human kingdom so that is what we will concentrate on at first. But as macrocosmic chemists we will experiment and test the results of different combinations. There will be instructions from the Christ when necessary, but we are always expected to do all we can on our own. When we do all we can and can go no further more will be given. Edison often had dreams that gave him ideas, but he was a great example of forging ahead and making use of his own intelligence. What we are going to do is create a spiritual light bulb, but some of the knowledge we must discover on our own. When this happens we take it into future lives even if there should be a cataclysm. The Masters gave out too much too fast during Atlantis and the result was disaster. This time they cautiously assist. Sometimes I wish they would assist more, but that my personality speaking. Glenys: "I assume that any molecule, including an initiating molecule, can be replaced if it was no longer functional eg death of one of the partners, a change in philosophy etc. Is it more significant if an initiating molecule is changed and would it adversely affect the energy flow from Source into the molecule? All can be replaced including the initiator, but the initiate must be replaced by one of similar vision and soul contact. How this works is going to be covered soon. Glenys "Once you get to the Cell (144,000) with the Ancient of Days and the Christ standing at the centre, does that mean that these two, in partnership, take over the role of initiating molecule?" If it is decided that the Christ will appear in the flesh with a body of his own then he will take over the leadership of the Molecular Order. He will be overshadowed by the Ancient of Days. This (if he comes in the flesh) will happen sometime between the first molecule and the creation of the 144,000. Very few concrete facts are given out on this. An overshadowing is definitely planned and is not far away so a link is available to unite heaven and earth with the first molecule. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7266 From: Brian Weis Subject: asking for clarification (was: "Re: Cosmic Masters") Xavier writes: "Actually I was already aware of the theory of cosmic planes, that's why I saw the contradiction. I wish that those that don't understand would voice their claim. Though I can't say that I do it when it is me who don't understand something. IS it school that makes us such wimps?" It's not always a fear or some other force preventing a person from asking for clarification. Often, when I don't understand something at first pass, I'm just not moved to ask for clarification. This is because I simply feel I need to spend time with the material, allowing it to gestate the necessary meaning and understanding for me. Sometimes I'm not ready for full understanding and I know that it will come later in my life after I've had sufficient experience. At other times, a random snippet of dialogue, a passage in some book or magazine, an entry from my journal, or someone else on this very list will (un)intentionally share the very nugget I need to achieve understanding. ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-39/7267 From: PeterR Subject: TODAY'S TEST --- lee Chin wrote: From: GENESISOFLIGHT@... This is a free will planet, the only one in our Universe. We are a testing zone for the bio-genesis of the co-creator gods and their co-participation in the ongoing continuum of a greater universal expansion plan to include matter. In all probability the test determines the chaos effect of the individual creative thought projections into the reality of the experiencers. No thought is original, only its perception by the individual thought processor. Are our thoughts being guided? Are your perceptions embedded with the collective of isms? Separate-ism, religion-ism, race- ism, commun-ism, feudal-ism. fascist-ism, etc. Do you acknowledge that these collective perceptions provide your servitude with the giving of your power to the originating source of such directives. Do you fully comprehend your own alliance with the directives you have chosen to experience? Is there a unity here to fuel the continuum of the original Source of the Uni-versal Thought Cell that is our 3rd dimensional reality? How then does your perception relate to a broader unification of the many mansion uni-verses? Is there an intended unity in the oneness of each UNI-verse and is there a harmony being orchestrated for each uni-VERSE? Our Uni-verse is going through a re-birthing process and as its caretakers it will be our choice to celebrate its new birth or remain with those thoughts aligned to its abortion. Does this not remind you of the Luceferian intent to stagnate the Greater Light's expansion plan so that it could include the energy empowered within the ectoplasms. Are we the fueling fodder required of those negating energy vampires choosing to forestall the ascension being offered to our reality experience? Are you expanding upon the unifications of the co-dimensions of your own realities? If the dimensions are layered one above the other, is there a ladder for your ascending or descending remembrances? Have human passions depleted or diverted the energies of the human intellects fervor to bring forth the remembrances of origin, The Greater Light? Is there a unity within your own creative thought as to your words expressing the meaning of the law of one: *LOVE *I AM-THEE I AM *UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS *COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS Have you taken your own empowerment for the right to call upon the uni-versal law? > > >>>>>>"THE UNIVERSAL CODE">>>>>> *I call upon the Uni-versal law! *Only those energies compatible with the missioned intent ensouled within me, can combine. *All other energy beings MUST BACK AWAY and be deleted from the space and time that I have chosen to experience. *It is my given free will to edit and rewrite my own Earth histories. *It is THE LAW and I invoke it NOW! So Be It ! >lee> SHARING LIGHT, LEE GUILMETTE CHIN ===== *WEB SITE*-http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/peterr/index.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ~-~-~-~FULL CONSCIOUSNESS!~-~-~-~ Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7268 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: Cosmic Masters Alright... I believe I've asked before, but what is a "Solar Logos"? I have never heard the term before. Travis Xavier wrote: "Thanks for the useful tidbits;-) I was curious about the ranks or consciousness of the ancient of days, the solar logos and all;-) (I'll put caps on them when I have even a slight consciousness of what they are;-)" Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7269 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Samu I totally agree Glenys. Samu is the bright shining light and a wonderful example for us all. I love his "word pictures" that he paints for us and I love him too. Much love and light to all, Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7270 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT Appreciation To Samu Glenys, let me join Diane in thanking you for reminding me to express how very much Samu means to me and how very appreciated he is. It becomes far too easy to take for granted all the wonderful things that are done and not take the time to express gratitude. Let me add, Glenys, how appreciated you, also, are for allowing me to see how remiss i've been. Love to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7271 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: OT Appreciation To Samu Yes. I must also raise my voice in appreciation. When I was a child, I always thrilled to his exploits at Sea World... Um, what's that? "Samu"? Oh! I thought someone said "SHA-mu"!! Well, yeah. Samu's a great guy, too. ; ) ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7272 From: "kevin greek" Subject: Re: Molecular Questions and i will show you fear in a handful of dust. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7273 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Molecular Questions SANDMAN!! Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7274 From: Brian Weis Subject: OT - The Coming Cyberclysm Here is an interesting tid-bit from slashdot.... ----------------------------- The Coming Cyberclysm - Part One (from the "armageddon-is-coming" dept.) ----------------------------- It's not just the cranks and the Luddites sounding the alarm any more. There are hordes or serious-minded people insisting that runaway computing is driving us towards a Cyberclysm. The first of two parts. There are hordes of serious-minded people who insist that computing is driving us towards a Cyberclysm, when humanity becomes overwhelmed as it tries and fails to cope with the number, complexity, speed and nature of the things we make. Even now, nobody can really keep up, and only a few can even fake it. Everyone is frantic, stressed, tethered, broke or worn out trying to manage. We are bombarded by inventions and advances we might not need or understand, that move more quickly and do more things than we want, that we can barely grasp, let alone service or repair. The complaints and alarms are piling up. Author James Gleick in "Faster" complains that technology is forcing everything to move too quickly. In his new collection of essays, Arthur C. Clarke writes "I have seen the future and it doesn't work." For the full posting, go to: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/09/26/1914228&mode=thread Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7275 From: Anni Ida West Subject: Re: Samu Hi Keysters, I just want to join the chorus: you are very much appreciated Samu, my Scandinavian brother. I love to read your posts .... there has been too few of them lately! Thanks for all the great work you are doing for all of us :-) Love and light Anni Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7276 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Samu Glenys, everybody... :) Ah... When I saw my name, and there was no OT in front of it, I thought now I am in big *serious* trouble! :D What can I say, when there are no words to fully convey the feeling's felt... I can only open my arms and offer a big warm sincere hug, so come over here you golden-hearted woman from New Zealand! You really are such a warm beautiful person, no matter how many miles or kilometres there are physically between, your aura touches like nothing does :) A *manly* confession too, as I read your letter it touched me so deeply it brought a tear in my eye... out of joy :) Because really, all I have wanted to do was create something useful and *fun*, and when I see I've been successful and hopefully in some small way brought people closer together, I am thee happiest little unit :) Plus, Glenys and *everybody*, take a look at yourselves, these things are about *us*. The archives wouldn't exist without JJ, nor would the list without him and Rick. They are the initiators here, I only did what anybody could have done, have to say though that I am very proud to be doing what I chose to do, because you, each and every one of you are such special souls, and it is an honor to be here and share and learn with you. JJ's teaching's are unique, The molecular relationship something that's totally new and will change, well create the future :) And the discussion and the list just wouldn't be the same without the very people that are here, we all have our special place in this design. Teacher as well as students, we inspire and stimulate each other, and it is an expanding growing process for us all. The Photo Album too, it is about us, gathered around the same table, as Sharon would put it :) Showing that no matter what background, age or whatever we are all part of the same, looking for answers and coming up with new questions, united by the desire to live, become and grow, learning love on every level! As my loved one Nina pointed out to me, the internet is a wonderful media in that here the focus is not on the outside, but on the core of you and me. And after all what you're made of inside is what's built upon. We are the different atoms of the molecule that's gonna be much much more than the sum of its parts. What could be more exciting! And I just want to point out another thing: it is this group really that brings out the best in a person. It really is easy to be a smiling dude among you all :) What can I say, I love you guys. Glenys, you're such a precious soul, your warmth and wisdom is something I'll always treasure. Thank you for being you! And thank you all for letting me be me, and letting me ramble :) I think this is enough of me and babble for now, let's move back to the important, namely the topic under discussion! Which reminded me, JJ I have a question. When the first molecules are formed, are there certain kind of combinations of atoms that Brotherhood has specifically in mind, or is it gonna be a lot of experimenting with different combinations first? Because I was thinking, when a male- female couple create an atom, depending on the partners that create the unit the qualities of it can be very different, right? So, how do we exactly know which kind of atoms should be used when the first molecules are created, and in what kind of combinations? Anybody familiar with chemistry knows that these things have the biggest effect on what the resulting molecule is like... :) Just me, and proud of being a member of the Family! Samu :) chasethedogstarovertheseahomewheremytrueloveiswaitingformeropethesouthwind Samu Karlsson samu3@dlc.fi samu.karlsson@norpe.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 "Just remember not to forget and you'll be fine... but you already know this, don't you?" canvasthestarsharnessthemoonlightsoshecansafelygoroundthecapehorntovalparaiso Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7277 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Cosmic Masters Travis Tabbal writes: "Alright... I believe I've asked before, but what is a "Solar Logos"? I have never heard the term before." Well, let others answer better, but the entity that has our solar system for physical body is called the "solar logos". Other suns are other Logoi (it's greek;-) Planets are "planetary logoi" and so on, but under the size of a planet, I don't know if the name is used. It doesn't really answer your question, I know;) Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7278 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: Molecular Questions Greetings to All, Thank you JJ for chapter 25, and a clear picture representative of the words of JOhn in Revelations... right through to the city. And thank you for the further clarification to Glenys' questions. JJ says: "An overshadowing is definitely planned and is not far away so a link is available to unite heaven and earth with the first molecule." My question is on the above statement JJ. 'An overshadowing' mentioned above sounds singular to me, although I am observing this could be for quite a few, in fact all of the 24 of the first molecule. Is this how you see it as well? And could you perhaps clarify for me as well, do you understand the term 'overshadowing' to also mean 'merging' with the spirit being... into a state of oneness, a merging rather than two separate entities? Also for clarification... in the molecule, and perhaps this can be answered from what occurred with the Apostles and Jesus 2000 years ago, are the 24 (or were) all in a sense overshadowed by Christ through Jesus, or were there individual overshadowings for the entire 24/12, and if so is this the case for the future... in others words one Christ being over the 24 of the first molecule, another molecule led by (for want of a better term) another Christed being, eg a Master or above, for that 24 with a molecule, so that then are the 144,000 led by say for example the 12 apostles, and/or is there also individual guides masters for each individual or individual atom? Gosh I hope you can understand what I am asking? It also feels like the city is thus created from the union of entities from heaven to earth, and once established does this require that the 144,000 (and more) continue the molecular relationship consciously so that the 'city' remains intact and supported? That seems to be enough questions for now:) In love and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7279 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Samu Samu Karlsson wrote: "Glenys, everybody... :) Ah... When I saw my name, and there was no OT in front of it, I thought now I am in big *serious* trouble! :D" Hahahaha! Nothing like a guilty conscience to keep you on your toes, Samu! :-))) I actually considered putting OT on my email about you but couldn't bring myself to describe you as Off Topic. You are as On Topic as any subject or person on the list, and my thanks to you for all you've done to help make it successful is definitely On Topic as well. Molecularly Yours Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You must do the things you think you cannot do. - Eleanor Roosevelt Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7280 From: Susi Subject: Re: Samu Glenys wrote: "Thank you again, Samu; you are a cherished and beloved member of the family and the service you provide is never taken for granted or forgotten." Here Here or is it H'er H'er or is it Hear Hear.......Lol at myself, but anyway you get the drift ;-) Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7281 From: "Jennifer Hampson" Subject: OT thoughts Just been contemplating the paradox of how very important we are as center of our own universes, yet how tiny we are in the grander scheme of things. An absolutely minuscule component of the City of New Jerusalem but for all that, very much needed and loved and wanted. Got a brief taste of humility, and, surprisingly, I liked it. Realize now it is not the same thing as feeling inadequate or 'not as good as'. More like knowing one's place and being comfortable in it, not pretending one is what one is not. Also a sense of wonderment and awe at the magnificence and mystery of it all, pleased that (contrary to the view of my ego!), it is not all controlled and known by me. At least not yet. (hahaha!) Love Jen Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-27/7282 From: Rick Audette Subject: Molecule pictures Hi All, When I read chapter 25 of the Molecular Relationship, I really enjoyed looking at the graphics. Something, however, just didn't set right with me though, due in part to my well developed sense of spatial relationships. The connecting lines made me think I was viewing a schematic, as opposed to a 3D image. When I wrote to JJ to confirm that the lines represented the spiritual energy links between molecules, the 3D images immediately began to form in my mind. I had always thought that connecting 12 units, in a circle, would leave the unit at the opposite side of the circle from the initiating unit, to many handshakes down the line. JJ's graphic improves the link, but still leaves one too many links, when seen in 2D. To show the connections, as described, I have clustered groups of three at each apex of a tetrahedron crystal. To see a picture of this, go to http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/mole02.jpg After completing the first molecule, I began to clone the molecules and move them into position, to create a master molecule. JJ's graphic suggests two mirrored tetrahedrons, superimposed to create an 8 pointed star, having one molecule at the top, one at the bottom and three each on the remaining six points. So far, I have only placed one molecule on each point (hey, it ain't easy building molecules). The partially completed Master Molecule can be seen at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/mole05.jpg It is interesting to note that the points of the 8 pointed star fall on the apices of a cube, which will make them stack up nicely, when I start building the pyramid molecule. Feel free to copy and save the pictures, if you like them. I don't know if they show the molecular relationship any better, but they sure are pretty to look at :) Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com A smile is a curved line that sets things straight. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7283 From: Jean Subject: Fwd: [DivineBeingsOfLight] [Fwd: [LetTheSunshineIn] YOUR DAILY DO ALL THINGS WITH LOVE. Love is the most important ingredient of life. Your life echoes emptiness without it. With it, your life vibrates meaning and warmth. Love will shine through even in hardship. You will find as you look back upon your life that the moments that stand out, the moments when you have really lived, are the moments when you have done things in a spirit of love. If you have it, you don't need to have anything else, and if you don't have it, it doesn't much matter what else you have. Treasure the love you receive above everything else. It will survive long after your wealth and good health have vanished. The way is not in the sky. The way is in the heart. Life in abundance comes only through great love. Lucy List Owner Miracles happen to those who believe in them! Psalm:27:1 The Lord is my light and the one who saves me. I fear no one. If ye shall ask anything in my name, I will do it John 14:14 With God all things are possible Matthew 19:26 ((((((((Sunshiners))))))))) God Loves you! So do I :) :) Lucy List owner & moderator A friend should be radical; They should love you when you're unlovable, Hug you when you're unhuggable, And bear you when you're unbearable. A friend should be fanatical; They should cheer when the whole world boos, Dance when you get good news, And cry when you cry too. But most of all, a friend should be mathematical, They should multiply the joy, Divide the sorrow, Subtract the past, And add to tomorrow, Calculate the need deep in your heart, And always be bigger than the sum of all their parts. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7284 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Cosmic Masters Xavier writes: "Well, let others answer better, but the entity that has our solar system for physical body is called the "solar logos". Other suns are other Logoi (it's Greek;-) Planets are "planetary logoi" and so on, but under the size of a planet, I dont know if the name is used. It doesn't really answer your question, I know;-)" Hi all I, too, would like to know more about this. I looked up "logos" in my dictionary and the word isn't there.........? So....my previous understanding of the word is that logos is like a symbol, or phrase that represents or describes something in picture form. Now comes Xavier speaking of the same "mind picture" I have had for years and years, that we (our solar system) is a molecule in a larger being, and that being in still a larger being. What is the meaning of logos in this scenario? Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7285 From: Rick Audette Subject: developing molecule Yet another picture. http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/mole07.jpg This one taken from the top, down, of the Master Molecule. All but 6 molecules are now in place. The units are each made from one blue and one pink sphere. The golden crystals aren't really part of the molecule. They are just there to show the geometric relationship of the units. I'll do another picture later to show how they are linked up to the Spiritual Hierarchy. Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com A smile is a curved line that sets things straight. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7286 From: "John Wayne Kline" Subject: Developing Molecule Rick thank you for your excellent work. I for one realize how difficult it is. I've been trying to do the same thing, and lack the necessary software. One of the most difficult things in the world for any student to attempt, is to understand a right brain concept, from a left brain perspective. Rick, you just speak my Mother Tongue! And last but not least, allow me to join the others, in a big thank you, to my Old Friend, Samu, for his unselfish dedication, and service, to the students of the Central Pillar. Thank you, Samu Your friend, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-39/7287 From: Marylin Subject: Re: developing molecule Hi Rick I just looked at all three pictures and they are really great..... a 3D representation that shows that all of creation can grow and grow and grow and grow ad infinitum. WOW! Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7288 From: Laura Subject: developing molecule (OT) *chuckle* I have to agree that the pictures are beautiful, but Rick.. my man.. you just flashed me back to some really unpleasant Chemistry classes. *runs screaming in terror from the Periodic Table* Laura Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7289 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: developing molecule Nice work, Rick. I like the fact that you are using imagery that seems consistent with quantum theory (at least it does to me). You might want to check out this article on "Observing Orbitals" from Scientific American: http://www.sciam.com/explorations/1999/092099cuprite/index.html ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7290 From: Susi Subject: Re: Molecule pictures Rick, That was amazing!!! I've always wondered what the significance of an eight pointed star was to me......I still wonder, but your graphics have shown me something interesting I just can't quite put my finger on it yet. I got it though on how the molecular relationship works out because of those graphics. Tetrahedron crystal this must be a mathematical term. I've learned a new word from you as well. Thank you. Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7291 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Cosmic Masters Marylin writes: "I, too, would like to know more about this. I looked up "logos" in my dictionary and the word isn't there.........?" oh:-) It's not me but JJ that came with the idea you mentionned. The word "logos" is a greek word okay, that means "word, verb"; and "knowledge" I think. This word is used in theosophic writings. Blavatsky at first. Then A A Bailey (again ;-) I don't understand what it really means. But all the present spiritual movement being much influenced by Blavatsky's teachings, this notion is present, albeit too lofty to be usual. If I try to guess, logos is a being that is best described as a living creative word. Being a creator on a macroscopic scale (a planet or a solar system, for example). It's as if such a being had roots, or a past, or a presence before "manifestation", i.e. before things were "created", put into form. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7292 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Solar Logos Here's a link to one of the descriptions of the Solar Logos by The Tibetan in Alice Bailey's books. http://www.netnews.org/bk/fire/fire1111.html There are also graphic representations on the site if you're interested. Just click on Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul, English Edition, and do a search. http://www.netnews.org/ Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It is the fruit that makes the tree bow low. - Hazrat Inayat Khan Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7293 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Solar Logos Oh, WOW, Glenys. I printed off the article on solar logos, sat down to read it, and my mind is completely BLOWN. I always knew there was far more to learn than I could imagine and coming in contact with it has left me wondering what have I not learned very well along the way. At the moment I feel like I am in a deep well with only a rope to crawl up and out on. Well, I asked for it, didn't I. I hope what I read is imprinted somewhere in my mind so it will go with me when it's my turn to "cross the river". For now, I think I will lean on Jesus words when he said, "All these things will be added unto you." Woweeeee! Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin PS....thanks for sending me the site address. Maybe one day the light bulb will go on over my head. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7294 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Solar Logos Glenys writes: "Here's a link to one of the descriptions of the Solar Logos by The Tibetan in Alice Bailey's books. http://www.netnews.org/bk/fire/fire1111.html" "There are also graphic representations on the site if you're interested. Just click on Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul, English Edition, and do a search." That is great!! Now, you got anything on "Ancient of Days" or "Ring-Pass-Not"?? Those two things still have me a bit buggered! ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7295 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: Glossary: Ancient of Days Hi B., there are lots of sites on The Ancient of Days, this is just one of the sites. love to all, sharon http://corsica.ucs.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/glossary/ancient.html Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7296 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Solar Logos Marylin wrote: "Oh, WOW, Glenys. I printed off the article on solar logos, sat down to read it, and my mind is completely BLOWN. I hope what I read is imprinted somewhere in my mind so it will go with me when it's my turn to "cross the river". Well, for what it's worth I'm not sure that it's really important to have a detailed understanding of these things. Certainly it's not a prerequisite for spiritual development to know about spiritual cosmology. I find it interesting because it tells me where I am in the structure of things and where I'm going as well. The theory is that we all have the capacity to become a Solar Logos - even if it takes trillions of years. I think if you get some idea of the Planetary Hierarchy that governs us and the role of the Christ and the Ancient of Days, you're doing well, and I'm sure JJ will teach on both roles sometime in the future. In fact, he's already alluded to them in his books and his teachings on the list. So don't worry too much about that light bulb over your head, Marylin. The one over my head blew a fuse years ago and it's never recovered! Love Glenys PS ~B ....you can do a search on the Ancient of Days and Ring Pass Not on the same site . Happy travels! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It is the fruit that makes the tree bow low. - Hazrat Inayat Khan Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7297 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Solar Logos Opps! Maybe you'd do better doing a search of Sanat Kumara rather than the Ancient of Days on this site. But I see Sharon has dug something up to help anyway -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It is the fruit that makes the tree bow low. - Hazrat Inayat Khan Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7298 From: "Aley" Subject: Re: Solar Logos Does anyone know if anyone has ever painted this? Aley "Oh, WOW, Glenys. I printed off the article on solar logos, sat down to read it, and my mind is completely BLOWN." Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7299 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Solar Logos Painted what? A blown mind?!? Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7300 From: "Aley" Subject: Re: Solar Logos LOLOLOLOLOLOL I love it LOLOLOLOL That would be so much fun! No I meant the Solar Logos Aley Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7301 From: "Tracey Hobson" Subject: Re: Solar Logos/Alice Bailey Hi All, This stuff is all, uh, rather over my head, but I do have a question (that perhaps was answered long ago, but I'd rather short cut it here than do a major archives dig). Who is Alice Bailey again and why is what she says given so much credibility? I can barely understand a word she's saying, except for some of the stuff on the benefits of meditation (and thanks JJ for the links you added to your site some time ago - there's enough info there to keep me off the streets and on the computer for the rest of my LIFE!!! Great stuff!). So all of you Alice Bailey experts out there, let's hear from you! xo, Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7302 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Solar Logos LOL! Visions of bits of grey matter hanging off walls etc with a cavity in the head where the brain used to be! Actually, Aley, the answer is Yes because people would 'see' him (The Ancient of Days, that is ) in their consciousness as God and there have been many attempts to depict God throughout the ages. The site Sharon referred to has a painting of the Ancient of Days as depicted by William Blake, one of my favourite esoteric artists. As for the Solar Logos you could argue that ancient (and not so ancient) sun worshipping cultures have tried to depict him in their artwork portraying the Sun as a living being. But given the fact that one cannot even look at the Ancient of Days without getting into grave difficulties (remember JJ's experience - from memory he was only allowed to see his back, and the story of Moses' encounter), it's true to say that no one has ever seen him and therefore any graphic depiction can only be someone's idea of what he looks like. But you never know, he may pose for you one day :-) Love Glenys Marylin wrote: "Oh, WOW, Glenys. I printed off the article on solar logos, sat down to read it, and my mind is completely BLOWN." Aley wrote: "Does anyone know if anyone has ever painted this?" Brian wrote: "Painted what? A blown mind?!?" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It is the fruit that makes the tree bow low. - Hazrat Inayat Khan Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7303 From: "Aley" Subject: Re: Solar Logos But you never know, he may pose for you one day :-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7304 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Solar Logos Aley writes: "LOLOLOLOLOLOL?..I love it LOLOLOLOL?..That would be so much fun!?..No I meant the Solar Logos" Oh, dag-num it!? I was just fixing to get my pastels out. Guess I should put all this "grey" away now. ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7305 From: J J Dewey Subject: Chapter 26 (Really) CHAPTER TWENTY-SIX LEADERSHIP IN THE MOLECULE Most will agree that there must be something wrong with the world's present method of selecting leaders. Look at the government bureaucracies for instance. Where in them will you find a truly dynamic leader who is willing to take the initiative? We have the same problem in big business. Many seem to be "yes men" who are afraid to make a bold move. All decision-making seems to get bogged down by people who are either afraid of making a mistake or have no authority to move. The reason for this is very simple. In all hierarchical organizations today, the selection process for leadership is determined by appointment, from the top down. In the Molecular organization, the principle is the opposite. Established leadership is determined by election. Another method of acquiring leaders will be the same in the Molecule as it is in the world today. We could call this principle "leadership by initiation." To initiate means to begin something. In other words, an initiate is a self-starter. As we mentioned earlier, the higher the initiate, the more far reaching will be the work he or she initiates. The most common initiate in the free world today is one who starts his own business. Because he does not need approval of a higher up, a person with initiative can go ahead and begin using his own intelligence and resources. He has the advantage of not having to please a hierarchy above him, but he soon finds he must please his stewardship (his employees and customers) if he is to be successful. Those from below keep him on his toes, not those above. This produces effective stimulation because those below are recipients of service and are by far the best judges of its quality. Leadership by initiation is basically Molecular, or bottom-up leadership, because an initiate can begin no organization or business without the freewill support of the people. In a way, the success of an initiate is determined by the election process. If a sufficient number of people do not elect to support him, the enterprise fails. Most businesses fail because the would-be initiate did not have a solid base of public support. If one decides to sell dresses at a baseball game, for instance, the people will probably vote him out of business. Consequently, if the person does not have enough vision to initiate something better, he will usually go work for another initiate. The free countries of the world have some of their leadership elected by the Molecular Principle, but unfortunately, even in the United States, most leadership is not by election, but by appointment. All government agency leaders are selected by appointment, as well as almost all leaders in business, religion, science, medicine, education, and most times even the person who is running for elected office is appointed by the power brokers. Thus, our power to truly elect initiates to leadership has been very minimal. We might call the benefit of this the "trickle down effect." Nevertheless, the benefits of the power of election is still quite obvious when we compare China and the United States. In China (at the time of this writing) there are no free elections; all leaders are appointed from the top down. Therefore, each leader is concerned not about pleasing those under his stewardship, but his party boss who has life or death power over his career. No one dares to broadcast to his associates that he thinks his leader is deficient or mentally disturbed. Another disadvantage in China is that there is very limited power for the people to initiate their own business or for the people to elect which business they wish to support, even though the leaders are relaxing their communal standards. In America, the political leaders are selected from the bottom-up. (We realize, as we said earlier, that the power brokers often determine who will run for office, but the theory and partial practice of the US (and other free market countries) is bottom-up leadership.) Because the elected officials are responsible (at least partially) to the people, they are concerned about pleasing them so they can return to office. Anyone can go to the street corners and tell the world how out of place he thinks his elected official is without fear of being hauled away. In addition, America offers everyone the opportunity to go into business and testing it with public approval. The difference in the prosperity between the two nations is directly related to the power of the people to have their choice of leaders in business and politics. One can evaluate all the nations of the world and rate them on this freedom principle on a scale of one to ten, and then do the same with their economies. If one would do this he would find a direct correlation. The problem in the free world is that bottom-up or elected leadership in business is still very minimal. While it is true that anyone in the free world can go into business for himself, the freedom principle is reversed within the business once it is established. I know of no business in the world where the leader is selected by election of his co-workers. The same applies to religion and to all other branches of society. They are all governed by the top-down appointment system just as is the government of China. The Molecule will be the first organization on the planet wherein leadership will operate entirely by the bottom-up principle wherein there will be no appointments. Its efficiency is destined to become "an ensign to the nations." Free elections, however, only take us half way toward truly effective leadership. What good does it do us to elect a good leader if he has no power of decision? What good is it if we have a George Washington or an Abraham Lincoln leading us if we tie his hands and do not let him lead? In the Molecular Order the leaders are free to lead and have full power to make decisions for their stewardship. This immediately, with one master stroke, eliminates much of the sluggishness that exists in organizations today. Do not get the idea that the Molecular Leader is a dictator who has power to boss people around. As Jesus pointed out, the Molecular leader is not a dictator, but a servant: And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. Luke 22:25-27 He also said: He that is greatest among you shall be your servant. Matt 23:11 Examples of servant leaders are George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Examples of you- serve-me leaders are Hitler and Napoleon. The first seeks to serve the people; the second seek the people to serve him. In the Molecule all leaders are forced to have their attention on service because their position can be taken by a more worthy member at any time. Nevertheless, this does not mean that they have to get the group's permission on every little item of business they handle. One of the main purposes of the Molecule is to streamline effectiveness and encourage the power of initiation. The Christ did not ask for permission from the twelve for every decision he made. Instead, he made many decisions on his own initiative which were designed to increase his ability to serve. Even the servant must have power to do his job without getting permission for every little detail, or else he will not be an effective worker. If the servant has a job watering horses, and the day is hotter than usual, then the good servant would naturally increase the amount of water, even if the master's permission is not available. Indeed, it is understood that the master expects the servant to use his best wisdom to insure the health of the horses. If the servant uses poor judgement and the horses die, then the servant will be dismissed, but if he keeps them healthy then the master cares not how he does his job. Many groups cannot seem to understand this point. They seem to think that no decision can ever be made without endless group discussion. They would let the horses die for lack of water in favor of endless debate. They are so afraid of an individual decision that they allow no one the power to serve. Not so in the Molecular Order. The leader is indeed a servant, but he also has power to serve, and power to serve only. The moment he begins to exercise unjust authority the group will be offended and replace him. A little realized fact is that a group decision reflects, not the highest intelligence of the group, but the average intelligence of the group. Molecular decisions are to reflect the highest intelligence of the group by allowing the freedom of the individual to exercise his initiative. Leaders in the Molecule, therefore, have power to serve their group to the best of their ability and, if a decision has to be made at a time when the group is not available for discussion, he has power to make it. Normally, however, he will present all important business to Molecular members, for if he does not get their input and participation, he is likely to be challenged and replaced. If the leader sees a direction that he feels is good, but the group may reject, it will be his duty to teach the group the logical principles behind the idea. He will encounter difficulties with his ability to lead if he loses the support of his group therefore he should look on other members as his brothers and counselors and include them as much as possible in all major decisions. On small decisions the group should trust their leader to have sufficient intelligence to deal with them, thus saving both the leader and the group much small talk. For example, I have been a salesman most of my life and have found I would much rather sell to the small business owner than to a large company. In a large company you often have to present the product to three or four leaders before you can find the person you need to talk to; then, he will often report that he has to present the idea to some committee. If you then call back a month later they will usually have shelved the product and tell you to call again later or ask for additional information. When the small business owner is approached by a salesman, he states right away whether or not he is interested. Neither the salesman or the owner's time is wasted and both can get on with their work. Every salesman appreciates the efficiency of a company where there is one individual who can say yes or no. In the Molecular Order there is always a person who can say yes or no. The leader always has power of decision for his stewardship. One may be alarmed at this and ask if this cannot lead to dictatorial powers, where the rights and input of the individual are abused. This is an important consideration, for in top-down governments, the power of authority is always abused; but not so in the bottom-up governments. In the Molecular Order, any leader who does not operate in the best interests of the majority will be challenged and replaced through the election process. Therefore, if the leader wants to keep his position, he must not lord himself over others, but consider their feelings, ideas, and opinions. Because the leader must keep his stewardship happy to remain in power, he will have a natural desire to keep his organization as democratic as possible. He will find he must present every major decision that comes up to the group and receive their input. If the group disagrees with him, then his job is to guide the group to a decision that all can be happy with and support. If someone who is not in a leadership position comes up with an idea or project, it is to be heard with full consideration. The two primary jobs of the leader are: (1) To stimulate the group with ideas, projects, and concepts; and (2) To lead the group to union through prayer, meditation and teaching so all can achieve Soul contact and become one on the direction that needs to be taken. If the leader uses his authority and makes major decisions without taking the group's feelings and thoughts into consideration, then he will be quickly corrected by the outcry of the people. If he makes this mistake a number of times, he will be challenged for leadership and replaced. Nevertheless, the leader must be trusted with some decision-making powers or we will merely have an organization like all others that are sluggish and with no power of movement. This will be left up to the leader's discretion. It is too difficult here to draw a black and white line. We do not need to do this. The group will do it for him. Thus, it is important that the leader tune into the consciousness of his stewardship and judge for himself where the line is. Soul confirmation will be sought on major decisions and, hopefully, oneness can always be reached. If it is not, it means that some (or all) members are out of harmony with the Soul. If oneness cannot be reached and there is lack of oneness, then the leader may seek for a majority vote on the problem. If the majority approves on the side of the leader, then the whole group should consider the decision as made. Those not in agreement may not want to support the project and should not be forced to participate in something against their desires, but they should at least cease opposing it. At this point we should remember the maxim: "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way." If the majority go against the leader after Soul confirmation has been sought (and this should be a rare occurrence) then the leader should try to adjust the plan so it is acceptable to the majority and seek an answer on this. If he is unable to get the group to support him and he believes the will of the majority runs contrary to the Hierarchy in this case, he must again do all in his power to teach the correct principles to the group and seek Soul confirmation with them. The leader (as with all of us) must follow the light of his Soul, and revelations confirmed by his Soul, even without majority support. If the time comes that the leader does not receive majority support, a crisis will certainly appear. First it must be recognized that no person is infallible, but the Soul is always to be trusted. If the leader has indeed received Soul confirmation, then the right decision has been made. If he is going by the light of the personality, then he could be wrong. Those in the group who have not received Soul confirmation will be at the whims of personality discretion as to whether the leader is correct. They will have no way of knowing if he is following the Soul or the personality. In this case, all they can do is sit back and let the leader take those who support him and pursue the goal. Time will tell if he is right or not. If the leader proves to be correct, then those who disagreed with him should question their own ability to be open-minded, and seek with greater sincerity to obtain Soul contact so they can support the next endeavor and make the success even greater. If the leader proves to be incorrect, and those who disagreed with him believe that they can do better, then they should challenge his leadership and replace him with someone more sensitive to Soul contact. Perhaps it would be helpful here to look at how leadership works in the operating Molecular Order. Let us say that Jack and Barbara are on the earth at the time that the Molecular System is set up, and they decide to join a Molecule. First they become an associate member of an existing Molecule. Then, when enough associates are available, a new Molecule is created. Leaders are then elected for each triangle and a male-female Unit is selected over the entire Molecule. Let us say that to begin with, Jack and Barbara have no leadership position, but as time passes they feel more comfortable in the Molecule and they believe they should lead the triangle. All they have to do is challenge the present leader for his position and call for a vote. If two out of three Units vote in their favor they now preside over the triangle. Now, Jack and Barbara are somewhat dissatisfied with the leading unit of the Molecule. The unit has been pushing their weight around and not getting enough input from the members and has also been avoiding taking the initiative. Jack and Barbara believe that they can establish a better rapport with the members as well as create strong leadership so they challenge the Molecular head and call for a vote. The majority feel that they want more representative leaders so they vote Jack and Barbara in. Jack and Barbara are happy to be in leadership position but they soon discover that they must be careful how they use their authority. They find out that people's feelings are very sensitive and they become aware of the fact that they too will be challenged and replaced if they are not considerate and effective leaders. They discover that they must always get input from the Molecule and allow each individual a maximum amount of freedom of choice. As Jack and Barbara become more familiar with their leadership roll, they begin to look toward greater positions. The next step up would be the head of a triangle of Molecules and after that the head of a Master Molecule. As they look higher and higher in the leadership, they notice that the quality of the leaders definitely improves, for in this system those of highest leadership potential float automatically to the top in a short period of time. Just as water reaches its own level, so does intelligence in the Molecule. Instead of reaching the highest level of incompetence, as the Peter Principle works in our present system, the Molecular Order causes a person to reach his highest level of competence. Jack and Barbara see that they can advance in leadership to head the entire Molecular Order if they demonstrate that they have the wisdom to do so. Here we see that the Molecule is basically a representative government, but with maximum authority (which can be removed at any time) in the hands of the leaders. It follows the Middle Way principle and uses the best of the democratic system combined with the efficient elements of the authoritarian system. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7306 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Solar Logos/Alice Bailey Hi Tracey, I found this information on a web site and thought it might be useful to you. The reason I like Alice Bailey is because her writings offer guidance on how to apply a practical spirituality in our lives that I believe has not been equalled by any other teacher - until now. The Master Tibetan, Djwhal Khul, who wrote through her, offers an intelligent and comprehensive analysis of the place of mankind in the grand scheme of things and the nature and structure of the Spiritual Hierarchy and its externalization as well as many other topics. I remember once saying to JJ that if I could understand and apply just one of her books - her best one, The Treatise on White Magic - I would be a master or at least, well on my way to becoming one. So the reason for me that she has so much credibility is the same reason that JJ has credibility in my eyes; what she/the Tibetan says rings true in my soul ie I know she speaks the Truth. You're right; she *is* hard to understand. Not only did she write many years ago and therefore used language that can be a bit strange to us, but I think the Tibetan was careful to use very precise language to minimize the chances of misunderstandings. (You only have to be a member of the Keys list to see how easy it is to get into difficulties over language!) Many people, such as Joshua Stone, have tried to paraphrase her teachings to make them more palatable but, in my view, they don't do a good job, either feeling they must add to them or losing something in the 'translation'. There's nothing like going direct to the source. Love Glenys Alice A. Bailey (1880-1949) Alice Bailey, the well known esoteric writer and teacher was born into a wealthy English family on June 16, l880. She is best known for her work as secretary to the entity known as Master Tibetan, Djwhal Khul. Together they wrote nineteen books and Alice by herself wrote four. Many people believe these books were given by the Tibetan telepathically in full consciousness to Alice Bailey. Her only duty as secretary was to get the new age teachings down as exactly as they were given, while putting them in readable English. They wrote together for thirty years and, after the last planned book was completed, Alice died on December 15, 1949. The attributes that caused Alice Bailey to be chosen for the exacting work with the Tibetan were her level of education and sharp intelligence. She had a well developed mind and also a long suffering heart say her co-workers. Alice was a student of the Bible and preached many sermons to large crowds of people. However, she came to the conclusion that the teachings of the East and West should not be divided. They are part of the same whole. She set out to fuse the teachings of the East and West. Alice Bailey founded an esoteric discipleship training school called the Arcane School in 1923. In this correspondence school, the principles of the ageless wisdom are presented through esoteric meditation, study and service as a way of life. Thousands of students have been trained to meet the needs of humanity and the work continues to the present with centers in New York, London, Geneva, Tokyo and Darjeeling. It's an Aquarian esoteric school that trains groups of disciples to serve humanity and the future needs of the planet. An esotericist is one who looks behind world events and seeks its deeper spiritual meanings, then applies this knowledge to living a higher spiritual existence. The Lucis Trust was also formed by Alice Bailey to be the legal entity overlooking the Lucis Publishing Company, the Arcane School and the service projects of World Goodwill and Triangles which the Arcane School supports. The books written by the Tibetan and Alice Bailey are for the present as well as the coming new age. They provide spiritual students new insights into the coming century's unfoldment and requirements, and because of this her books are more popular now than when they were first written. Another goal of Alice Bailey's was to familiarize people with the belief of the actual existence of the "Disciples of Christ who are the Masters of Wisdom, real people, as real as they are to me" as she states in The Unfinished Autobiography. She wanted to show the spiritual Hierarchy as "living men" involved in human events and working under the Office of the Christ. Alice Bailey's students are grateful for her pioneering work with the Tibetan. They believe that the spiritual Hierarchy, in an effort to assist humanity, intended these books to be distributed in this century so our hearts and minds would have the necessary tools for our evolution. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- We must love them both. Those whose opinions we share, Those whose opinions we don't share. They've both labored in the search for Truth and have both helped us in finding it. - Thomas Aquinas Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7307 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Solar Logos Marylin writes: "PS....thanks for sending me the site address. Maybe one day the light bulb will go on over my head." Bailey material takes time to understand, and I dont understand the quoted text either. It is quoted from the most difficult book of A.A.Bailey "A treatise on cosmic fire". What is fun with Bailey (sort of) is that she often stresses that only initiates can understand what she is saying. Not in general, but on many points she says: "oh, I can tell you this and that, it will maybe help you to make yourself an idea on the reality I'm trying to describe, but if you're not an initiate (3rd initiation, serious business, mental body developed and under control) it won't have no real or accurate meaning for you" But the main thing is that she employs words and words that need to be defined. When you discover her books, you spend a time trying to find the previous ones where these words were defined. In fact they are described by earlier theosophic writers, as AAB appeared among a group formed by previous teachings (Blavatsky). But mostly you grasp the meaning through intuition and tidbits of information here and there;-) Yet all this is rewarding: look at how JJ often refers to her teaching (in fact he says: the master DK's teaching.) Tracey writes: "So all of you Alice Bailey experts out there, let's hear from you!" Okay, at the end of the 19th century, more or less from 1975 to 1900, HP Blavatsky delivered a teaching. She also founded the theosophic society. Many things happened, (someone write a good story of this story btw?), then from 1919 to 1949, Alice Ann Bailey delivered another heavy teaching, lighter than Blava, but definitely a real important material. In fact, one should tell the story from the point of view of the Masters;-) They had a try with Blava, saw the results, then another one was done, on the same line, with Bailey. The line is "esotericism to the western world, directly from the hierarchy". After 2 millenias or so of destruction of knowledge by the catholic church (give back to Caesar what belongs to caesar;-) , this really brought something to the seekers of truth. The topics of Blavatsky were something like "cosmogenesis, anthropogenesis", or "science, religion"...it was a nice paving stone thrown in the lake of the so dark century she was in: religion taught silly autoritary bullshit, and scientists...scientists said everything was mechanical, and that science would have success in every physical and philosophical question, materialistic science could solve everything. If you have a look at science and religion today, and compare, I think one may say that Blavatsky is the main initiator that brought such a change. After Blava there were many writers that somewhat explained and interpreted many points of her teaching. BTW, if you want something hard to read, have a try;-) IT is less intellectual than Bailey, and reaches higher. But the energy is such (my feeling) that it is like a barrier: you need to rise your vibes up to the text to swallow it, I can't until now. Any reading works on subtle planes, and reading esoteric writings one can really see this fact. Sometimes I feel that the most important part of the work (when I read) is beyond my consciousness. Other times, there is work on the personality. Well, sorry for my proverbial length ( ;-) ), but in conclusion: these books are approaching the dream of many: to find books that deliver divine knowledge. So many great seekers of the past lived without such a help, that I feel amazed at the chance we have. And if you take Franz Bardon's books, you reach the dream come true;-) to the point that I already fail in putting into words what there is in his books. I never manage to give them the due credit, according to the feelings and understanding they provide. AND he is much less well known than our two mistresses;-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7308 From: "Tracey Hobson" Subject: Alice Bailey/Thanks! I hereby dub thee Glenys the Generous! Thanks, Glenys! Anyone who attempts to fuse east and west is alright by me - I have often wondered why there aren't more people who think along those lines (it just makes some sort of soul-level sense to me that I am at a loss for words to express). And funny thing, I have another window open on the computer to the Treatise On White Magic, the second place I went (after the HUGE meditation section). Y'all make my brain hurt you pack it so full of things to ponder! Good thing God gave me a BIG head! Off to net land, again. xo, Trace Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7309 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: OT - Alice Bailey/Thanks! Tracey Hobson wrote: "Good thing God gave me a BIG head!" And an even bigger heart! Xavier's analysis of the importance of Bailey was great. I suppose I should take a look at this Bardon guy you're always telling us about, Xavier. He sounds like he has something useful to offer. Does he have any online books? Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- We must love them both. Those whose opinions we share, Those whose opinions we don't share. They've both labored in the search for Truth and have both helped us in finding it. - Thomas Aquinas Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7310 From: "Tracey Hobson" Subject: Re: Solar Logos/Alice Bailey And thank you too, Xavier. The table is piled high - you all are gonna have to help me eat! ;-) Trace Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7311 From: Jean Subject: Re: developing molecule Hello all, I have been asked by a member of the this list to not post anything long, like I have recently that is off topic on this list. I can understand what that person meant and would like to know how the rest of you all feel about that, if it is something you would rather me not post to you all and instead post to you all separately on than please let me know. Thank you. Love and light, Jean Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7312 From: Jean Subject: Fwd: [DivineBeingsOfLight] Presence PRESENCE Your presence is a present to the world You're unique and one of a kind Your life can be what you want it to be Take the days just one at a time Count your blessings, not your troubles You'll make it through whatever comes along Within you are so many answers Understand, have courage, be strong Don't put limits on yourself So many dreams are waiting to be realized Decisions are too important to leave to chance Reach for your peak, your goal, your prize Nothing wastes more energy than worrying The longer one carries a problem, the heavier it gets Don't take things too seriously Live a life of serenity, not a life of regrets Remember that a little love goes a long way Remember that a lot...goes forever Remember that friendship is a wise investment Life's treasures are people...together Realize that it's never too late Do ordinary things in an extraordinary way Have health and hope and happiness Take the time to wish upon a star And don't ever forget...for even a day ...how very special you are. ----------------------------- A friend should be radical; They should love you when you're unlovable, Hug you when you're unhuggable, And bear you when you're unbearable. A friend should be fanatical; They should cheer when the whole world boos, Dance when you get good news, And cry when you cry too. But most of all, a friend should be mathematical, They should multiply the joy, Divide the sorrow, Subtract the past, And add to tomorrow, Calculate the need deep in your heart, And always be bigger than the sum of all their parts. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7313 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Re OT posts I've already responded to Jean off list on this but I wondered whether it would be timely for Rick to repost the agreed guidelines for this list for the benefit of the newer people. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- We must love them both. Those whose opinions we share, Those whose opinions we don't share. They've both labored in the search for Truth and have both helped us in finding it. - Thomas Aquinas Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7314 From: Rick Audette Subject: posts to the list Okay, here is something I posted last Dec. If one reads the archives, it should be clear that we have decided to stay as much as possible on topics introduced by JJ, with an occasional OT thrown in. I don't think anybody minds if you copy and post a good story now and then, but forwarding whole posts from other lists is a bit much. -------------- Exercising the virtues of precision and efficiency, in regards to sending e-mails to the list, will not only benefit all the readers, but also will lead to the increase of your souls vibratory rate, which in turn will lead to the natural acquisition of higher powers. I spend close to 100 hours per week on a computer. The company, where I work, is its' own ISP, and I am connected all day, through e-mail to anyone in the world that wants to write me. At home, I take an hours rest and then play on the computer till 3a.m. weeknights and even later on weekends. I have both AOL-IM and ICQ as well as 2 e-mail addresses. If you can't get in touch with me, the problem is not on my end. I see every post at least twice (even more when people quote them). Needless to say, I am always thinking of better ways to handle this much input. I'd like to make it clear, that in no way will I tell anyone what they can or cannot do on this list. We have spent far too much time discussing beastly authority, for me to want to get caught up in that snare. I can offer various tips that might help make communicating smoother sailing for all. 1) E-mail programs have a feature that will automatically quote the letter you are responding to. Turn this feature OFF. Instead, either make the original letter and the one you are writing small enough to easily click back and forth between them OR use alt-tab to switch back and forth. Then copy only enough from the original into your letter to indicate what you are responding to. Sometimes this might be a whole paragraph, but often, only one key sentence will do the trick. Most mail programs can be made to change text into italics or another color, if a line is proceeded by the greater than symbol. SEE NEXT LINE "You adjust how this line looks in the preferences menu of your own mail program. Mine makes them green italics." 2) There is no need to quote long texts, if they can be found elsewhere on the internet. If you type in, or copy/paste, the entire URL, including the http:, it will allow the reader to go directly to the web page by clicking on it in your letter, as in this example http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ If you want the reader to just read parts, you can quote the first few words of the paragraph, as in; "Then the baby bear said...." 3) At Spiritweb, they give general guidelines for mail sent to lists. They are: Don't post HTML to the list (some mail agents can post HTML & Text, turn off that option). If you have just joined a list, read the archive first to get a glimpse of the atmosphere. A short introduction of yourself helps further to know each other better. Don't post 2-3 lines mails saying "I agree" to a previous article, or better reply to the sender of the submission direct. If you quote a post in your reply, please remove any redundancy such as personal signatures/footers etc. Let's keep every post as informative as possible. Avoid postings of pages which could be read on WWW as well, just post the URL which might be of interest or If posting a longer article, then only in the meaning of discussing the article with all members of the list. Don't post pictures to the list, as many people have difficulty to handle long emails (100 KB is the maximum length of a post allowed). Avoid "blunt" advertising of services or products No political discussion, conspiracy and new-world-order, as appropriate forums of such topics exist at other places already. No chain letters of any kind or announcements of computer viruses. By learning and using these guidelines, we not only help each other, we also help to make things run smoother for our Host, Spiritweb. Spiritweb has provided us with this forum, for free, and they have over 37,000 members. Any little thing you do to trim down the size of your postings will help reduce the traffic at their site. 4) Even with my 150 IQ, there are some authors that go right over my head. If there are 20 letters stacked up behind yours, I can't spend all night trying to figure out what you mean. Remember, you are talking to a large group here, with a variety of backgrounds and ages. Try to express yourself in a manner that will hold everyone's attention. Keep in mind that you are talking to a group that contains both children and Masters. 5) Posts don't have to be either serious or humorous, exclusively. A good speaker will often get both into one letter. Such letters are always a cut above the rest, in my book. Samu, Glenys and Belle are all good examples. They manage to tickle my funny bone, even when they are being deadly serious. 6) Keep a list handy of the members names and e-mail addresses and write them often. Get and use ICQ and AOL-IM. There is a whole lot of learning, growing and loving going on off list. Members are building other ways to get together. Let's save the Keys as primarily a place to learn from JJ. There are plenty of ways for us to get together, outside of the classroom. 7) The members lists that I periodically post are structured in such a way that you only have to click on the part enclosed by brackets to get your mail program to address an e-mail, as in rick< mailto:rea1@ont.com> click on it and see. Save the latest list in a mail folder of its' own and it will be easier than looking it up in the address book when you want to send mail to an individual. -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com A smile is a curved line that sets things straight. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7315 From: Rick Audette Subject: two more molecule pictures Hi All, I'm glad you are enjoying my 3D molecule pictures. Tonight I finished the Master molecule and snapped two pics of it. The first is http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/mole08.jpg which is a side view and http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/mole09.jpg is looking at it from the top They are big pictures and make good wallpaper for Windows. If you want to print them, try changing the background to white first. You'll save ink that way. Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com A smile is a curved line that sets things straight. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7316 From: Xavier Subject: OT Franz Bardon Glenys Lowery writes: "I suppose I should take a look at this Bardon guy you're always telling us about, Xavier. He sounds like he has something useful to offer. Does he have any online books?" The trouble is that me, the messenger, is not convincing. If I was an initiate, I would tell you such things that all receptive people would jump and buy his books;-) When I have a try, it sounds like an illusion of mine, because it is too big and unheard of. So if JJ or even you, Glenys, had a read, you could inform people better. There ain't any online books (though this is a main desire of mine to scan some and put them online, without respect for copyright) Look at that nice page: http://www.akasha.de/~allen/enter.html Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-28/7317 From: J J Dewey Subject The Overshadowing Let me join the chorus in showing appreciating to Samu for his work and sweet spirit. He is among several I am sure I left out when I talked about initiation. He has initiated the archives and the photo album which many of us enjoy. I also see that John W. is involved in a more subtle initiation. I know that through his own initiative he contacts members who need support and help in learning. I am hearing more all the time about various members gaining interest in initiating local study groups. The opportunity to initiate has never been greater. Zia writes: "JJ says: "An overshadowing is definitely planned and is not far away so a link is available to unite heaven and earth with the first molecule." "My question is on the above statement JJ. 'An overshadowing' mentioned above sounds singular to me, although I am observing this could be for quite a few, in fact all of the 24 of the first molecule. Is this how you see it as well? And could you perhaps clarify for me as well, do you understand the term 'overshadowing' to also mean 'merging' with the spirit being... into a state of oneness, a merging rather than two separate entities?" There are two main types of overshadowing. The first is where the Master communes with a disciple or group via the soul and remains in his own body or vehicle of manifestation. When this happens the disciple or group realizes that a spiritual presence is with them and they "enter in to the joy of the Lord," so to speak. In the second the actual presence and consciousness of the Master enters into the body of the disciple. This is also called a "divine possession," and is done with the full cooperation and free will of the disciple In this process the Master is limited to full presence in one body at a time in this just as we are in birth. This type of presence of the Master of Masters is such an intense experience that it would be too much of a good thing for most and could cause insanity or death for one who is not ready. One further step can be taken in this type of overshadowing and in this the disciple can step aside for periods of time so the Master can be the decision maker for the body. This second type of overshadowing is what is planned for the Molecule and will probably happen before the molecule is actually linked up. When the Molecule is linked up a connection is made by the presence of the Christ who is already linked and the divine energy of greater livingness flows into all the members. This spiritual experience is different from an overshadowing. There is an overshadowing presence created, but this presence is a new life form that is created by the blending of 24 smaller lives linked through a spiritual umbilical cord channeled by the Christ. In addition to this greater overshadowing greater lives such as the Masters will have a freer communion with molecular disciples similar to the communion in the first type of overshadowing. So you can see that the mere gathering of 24 does not create a working molecule. It has to be planned and executed with the cooperation of the Spiritual Hierarchy. In addition, the group must be capable of being one through soul contact so the linkage can be completed. Zia wants to know (if I understand her correctly) if other masters will be over other molecules. Until or unless Christ decides to manifest in a body of his own He will be the only overshadowing presence necessary for the Molecular order no matter how large it becomes. You only need one connecting link to establish an unlimited number of molecules. In terms of awareness and communion His presence is extended through all the molecules and He is able to use the various members for His eyes and ears as well as influence through soul contact according to the sensitivity of the Molecular members. There may also be other overshadowings for other purposes. There are probably several going on right now on the earth and the friends and family of the overshadowed disciple may be oblivious to what is going on. Advanced disciples and even some Masters who have forgotten who they are will be attracted to the Molecular Order when they learn about it and sense it's spiritual power. After the Molecular Order gets firmly established, even it's strongest enemies will have to admit it has attracted some very intelligent and talented people. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7318 From: Xavier Subject: Re: developing molecule I don't mind long posts, but in this matter we must listen to those that have genuine and real reasons to ask for limitations, and I concluded that there are such reasons. When I got on the list I imagined these were illusionary reasons, but I changed my mind. Ask them! :-) BTW people, tell me when I'm too long. I may know and feel it, but it needs to be told anyway, in order to discriminate between fears and reality.;-) I guess this is experience, the long timer on the net learns to be concise;-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7319 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Solar Logos Glenys writes: "But given the fact that one cannot even look at the Ancient of Days without getting into grave difficulties (remember JJ's experience - from memory he was only allowed to see his back, and the story of Moses' encounter), it's true to say that no one has ever seen him and therefore any graphic depiction can only be someone's idea of what he looks like. But you never know, he may pose for you one day :-)" Hi Glenys I do have to agree with you on this. I once had a waking dream that I may have told on the list a while back in which I found myself "receiving some instructions from God". But I did not see His face, nor His form.....only a huge beautiful brilliant white, and now that I think about it, spherical light. He was sending me on a particular mission...........please 'scuse me.....I'm blowing my own mind now with the thoughts that are suddenly rushing in. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7320 From: Jean Subject: OT-ABOUT THE EMAILS Dear keysters, I first want to apologize for posting a few stories here and there, I did it because I know that some of those stories hit home and can make a difference , make you stop and think. I just wanted to share them with you. I have gotten some responses, there has been 2 people so far on the list asking me to stop, and about 4 people who have told me to keep on doing them, that they look forward to them. Well as Rick said on his post on the rules, this list is meant for J.Js posts, our thoughts, sharing and such, so again I want to apologize but will make it clear, if you like the stories and want to continue to receive them, please email me separately, give me your email address and a quick note, and I will make sure I email you those stories and such separately from the list. Thank you all. Love and blessings, Jean My included homepage: http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/4321 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Solar Logos "He was sending me on a particular mission...........please 'scuse me.....I'm blowing my own mind now with the thoughts that are suddenly rushing in." How wonderful Marylin! You've blown my mind with your sharing of this experience. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7322 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Alice Bailey/Thanks! Hi Tracey You can add me to the list of those who have been trying to fuse east and west spiritual teachings. My dad studied Yoga from the time I was ten and I was influenced a great deal. Of course, that was back in the dinosaur days, as my youngest daughter likes to say. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7323 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: developing molecule The general rule is to put "OT" in the subject line. That said, you should keep such posts to a minimum. I typically see 2-3 per day from you with forward headers. IMO, that's too many. I just delete them. I read a few, but didn't really enjoy them. Others may feel differently. I'd say you post enough forwards to justify your own mailing list. That way those that are interested could join up and get the posts, and those who aren't don't have them cluttering their inboxes. You are welcome to join in on the normal discussions here of course. Always interested in another viewpoint. IMO this really isn't the place for forwards unless it's of interest to the general group population. I get about 100 email messages a day, I don't really want too many more. :) If WebTV doesn't let you make lists, you could talk to Rick and see how Spiritweb does it... Travis Jean wrote: "Hello all, I have been asked by a member of the this list to not post anything long," Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7324 From: Susi Subject: Re: OT Franz Bardon Glenys writes: "I suppose I should take a look at this Bardon guy you're always telling us about, Xavier. He sounds like he has >something useful to offer. Does he have any online books?" Xavier writes: "The trouble is that me, the messenger, is not convincing. If I was an initiate, I would tell you such things that all receptive people would jump and buy his books;-) When I have a try, it sounds like an illusion of mine, because it is too big and unheard of. So if JJ or even you, Glenys, had a read, you could inform people better." Xavier, You do not give yourself enough credit. We would know your sincerity if you were to post on F. Bardon. I've never even heard of this person until now so you see you and Glenys have peaked my interest just by mentioning this person. Your statement: "If I was an initiate, I would tell you such things that all receptive people would jump and buy his books;-)" Tells me you have the desire.......so go on and try.....please. Nothing ventured nothing gained, if you want to be an initiate there is nothing stopping you but you so go on and go for it. With sincerest love directed your way! Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7325 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: OT Franz Bardon Susi writes: "Xavier, You do not give yourself enough credit. We would know your sincerity if you were to post on F. Bardon." Damn skippy! I am so glad you "said" this to our Lion, Xavier. We believe in you, X-man!!! ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7326 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT Franz Bardon Thanks Xavier, this looks like a very interesting site and a most interesting man, and i appreciate you informing us about Franz Bardon, I never heard about him before you brought him up, see what you started , initiate. Thank you. love to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7327 From: "GEOFFREY ELLIS" Subject: Re: purpose I have been on this list for a couple of months ever since I read The immortal. I have read and understood the chapters on the molecule but I cannot see the purpose of it all on the earth at this time. What function will this group of people be when the 144000 have been assembled? Are they to take command of the population and force their will upon them,(with love) and remove freewill from the planet? Maybe the assemble is just for the chosen few to live in peace and harmony. I am really puzzled about the purpose here, but I am not talented expressing myself unlike many of you on this list. I would have thought that this collection of 144000 would have worked better and be more easily put together in the next life where, like attracts like, more easily. I feel that this 3D earth is for us to experience life in the physical with all its joy and pain, of controlling the emotions, of finding who we are. I just feel that these mind games, deep meditation, astral traveling etc. are for the joys of our next level of enlightenment.... after death. I do belong to a group of spiritual people and we are looking for a new direction, this creating a molecule would be ideal but I'm sorry I cannot see the purpose. I am sure someone will steer me in the right direction with an explanation. In love and light Geoffrey Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7328 From: Xavier Subject: Re: OT Franz Bardon Oh, I had forgotten that there are newcomers here. I already had a presentation of FB done on this list, months ago. Okay, I'll send you a big OT soon;-) Thanks Susi, I love your concern;-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7329 From: Xavier Subject: Re: OT Franz Bardon "Damn skippy! I am so glad you "said" this to our Lion, Xavier. We believe in you, X-man!!!" ~B. Thanks;-) I already am called Bioman since a year;-) lol In short FB is by far the most competent teacher of magic that ever published books. I can't tell you tonight, it's bed time, my mind is limited;-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7330 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: purpose Hi Geoffrey, I know that JJ and others will provide a much better explanation than me but thought I'd share my thoughts anyway. I doubt that anyone would dispute that there is an evolutionary impetus governing life on this planet, indeed all of the manifest universe. We know that atomic structures formed into molecules, then cells, then groups of cells that came together to perform a specialized function with their own specific designs. Eventually, humans resulted and they went through essentially the same process with the formation of family groupings, communities and specialized trades, skills etc The same thing but on a higher scale. This evolutionary process could be described as a seeking after (and gaining) greater amounts of light and closeness with the Creator. This is what drives us, whether we recognize it or not. It reminds me of a quote by St Augustine, "our hearts were made for you O God and are restless till they rest in Thee". We are now at the stage where we have evolved as much as we can as individuals and in the groupings we have formed for economic and social survival. It is time to take the next step in our evolutionary cycle and join together in groups with one mind and heart. This will enable us to draw down even greater amounts of light, love and power into our lives. If we do not take this next step, we deny the evolutionary pull that is innate to all creation and die - not right away but sooner or later. It's an inevitable fact of nature that that which does not evolve, dies. Certainly we are here to experience life in 3D with all the joys and trials it presents. But that is not the objective, in my opinion. Rather, the objective is to learn mastery over our lives and environment - to have dominion over all life - to live our lives abundantly. We do not do that by staying as we are and stagnating. We do it by seeking better ways of doing things, by becoming all that we can be. Why leave it to another lifetime or dimension when we can do it now. Coming together in groups is not a new concept. Many teachers are saying the same thing because there is a general 'knowing' in our collective unconscious that this is the next significant step in our evolution. But JJ's concept of the groups of 144,000 is the most coherent, logical and spiritually sound approach I've come across. It reflects the order and structure of the manifest universe and is something that we create and participate in with our own free wills. Nobody will be forced and nobody will be denied a choice as to whether or not to participate. In fact, I'm sure that any attempt to force people or infringe on their freewill would result in the collapse of the Molecular Order. But as JJ says, people will be drawn to the communities because of the light, love and power manifested in, through and by them. JJ has shown us a way to take the next evolutionary step that I've never seen anywhere before. I know in my heart that if it is not *the* next step, then it's certainly one of them. It cannot wait until 'the next life'. This life is all we have and if we don't live according to our highest truth during this lifetime, we can be sure that the next life won't present us with any better options. The purpose of it all as I see it, Geoffrey, is to evolve. That's all. Molecularly yours Glenys PS If any of you heroes have got this far, I would appreciate some help. I've been ill with the flu for five days and not getting any better. In fact, I think it's turned to bronchitis. I'm feeling so miserable that I know no self-respecting molecule would have me even if there was one up and running at this time. If you would remember me when you're saying the Song, I'd greatly appreciate it. Heartfelt thanks, in anticipation -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- These are the days of miracle and wonder, this is the long distance call, the way the camera follows us in slow mo, the way we look to us all, the way we look to a distant constellation that dying in a corner of the sky These are the days of miracle and wonder And don't cry baby, don't cry, Don't cry.... ~ Paul Simon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7331 From: Jean Subject: Re: developing molecule Thanks Xavier, I do have good news, (It made me feel sooo good.) :) I have had more people send me email when I got home today, saying how much they liked my posts than naught. So far only 2 people have asked me not to post them, out of about 12 people that have send me emails stating to continue. But I will send the stories to there separate email addresses. That way I still can continue to do my "work". :) Love and light, Jean My included homepage: http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7332 From: Jean Subject: Re: developing molecule Thank you Travis for you input, as I told them earlier, there are a good many on the list who like my posts and I will be emailing them separately. Jean Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7333 From: Marilyn Maple Subject: [Fwd: OT-ABOUT THE EMAILS] Good morning Jean, I usually save the stories you send so could you please add me to your list of people who want to continue reading them. If you could send them to one of my other e-mail addresses instead of this one, I would appreciate it. The address is Thanks & have a GREAT DAY, Marilyn Maple Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7334 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: developing molecule Jean, I think there's room for off topic posts and I don't understand why someone would object when it's so easy to delete what you don't want to read. I always read everything anyway but that's just me. What is junk for one person is another's treasure. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7335 From: Susi Subject: OT Glenys Glenys writes: "If you would remember me when you're saying the Song, I'd greatly appreciate it. Heartfelt thanks, in anticipation " Right there with you Glenys, but I'll send what energy I have available. I wonder if anyone else on list has been ill for the past few days? Mine started with being nauseated for the first three nights in a row at 4:30 am after rolling like I was on a rotisery and now my head feels like I'm a thousand leauges under the sea with the pressure. I hope you feel better soon.....cause I know how yukie it is to be under the weather. Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7336 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: OT -- one more for the sick/injured list Susi writes: "I wonder if anyone else on list has been ill for the past few days?" Well, I have been nursing a bruised rib since Sunday because I got pasted by the seminar instructor at a sparring seminar over the weekend. And, on top of that, I seem to have stressed myself into some kind of sore throat thing now. :::::Sigh::::: It's not as though opening night isn't just this Friday. I gotta stop worrying about my stage debut. Hoping I don't throw up, ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7337 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: OT -- one more for the sick/injured list Hmmm, I also have been feeling some weird aches and pains, the last few days, but then I have to go to court in the morning, so thought it only natural to be stressed. Then again, maybe there is some kind of clearing out of dross going on with some of us. I've been getting this feeling of a light at the end of the tunnel and a strange build up of love. I say strange because just yesterday I had this thought about this growing love. Instead of the usual feeling of me falling in love, I feel it is love rising out from me, hard to describe because it is a new thing. Anyway, everybody was so kind in sending light, in my hour of need, now when I say the song I will picture the light descending on all those saying it with me, to strengthen them during their growing pains. Things are beginning to happen and I don't think it's just in my imagination. Light, Love and Power to us all, Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com A smile is a curved line that sets things straight. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7338 From: J J Dewey Subject: Free Will Always Geoffrey writes: "Are they (Molecules) to take command of the population and force their will upon them,(with love) and remove freewill from the planet?" Glenys gave a great answer on this, but I feel impressed to add a few words. My friends who have been with me a while on this list. I would hope that you know me well enough to know that I would have nothing to do with anything that would diminish free will even if an angel of light appeared and delivered such a message to me. All of the works of light operate in the light and work to enhance free will. If we see that we have a message that we think is helpful to mankind then we would not force such a message even if we could. We merely present it and wait for those who are ready to respond. The only time the Brothers of Light use force is to meet force used against them. For instance, the Brotherhood supported the Allies use of force against Hitler during World War II. Geoffrey Continues: "Maybe the assemble is just for the chosen few to live in peace and harmony. I am really puzzled about the purpose here, but I am not talented expressing myself unlike many of you on this list. I would have thought that this collection of 144000 would have worked better and be more easily put together in the next life..." What's the purpose of the Internet? When it was created and enhanced those working on it knew it was going to be extremely useful, but had no idea of the tremendous effect on society. Now they could have waited until after they died to gain power to communicate with as much ease as we do on the net, but why? Even you Geoffrey are not waiting to die to use this great service and probably appreciate those who initiated it. The same applies to any enhancement of human ability. When the ring-pass-not is increased the human consciousness grows into it and uses the increase of power in ways never dreamed of in the past. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have power to heal as did Peter whose power was so great that the sick were placed in the way of his passing shadow and were healed? Because the Molecular Order will be connected with the forces of light the powers available will only work for those who seek to serve and to help. The Molecular link will be automatically severed as soon as anyone wishes to use higher powers for self or for the control of others. On the other hand, the Dark Brothers hope to manifest their own version of the molecule. They can develop powers to produce some magical results that will impress those with no soul contact, but the main difference will be in service. Their magic is to impress and to enslave. That of the forces of Light is to empower and to serve. Samu asks: "Which reminded me, JJ I have a question. When the first molecules are formed, are there certain kind of combinations of atoms that Brotherhood has specifically in mind, or is it gonna be a lot of experimenting with different combinations first? Because I was thinking, when a male-female couple create an atom, depending on the partners that create the unit the qualities of it can be very different, right? So, how do we exactly know which kind of atoms should be used when the first molecules are created, and in what kind of combinations? Anybody familiar with chemistry knows that these things have the biggest effect on what the resulting molecule is like..." There is an important point to remember here. Many are somewhat deceived by the old axiom "as above so below and as below so above." That which is below will indicate that which is above but the correspondences are not exact. I will be writing more on this at a future time as there is an interesting key involved. Because the correspondences are not exact we can't just look at that which is below and copy it. Instead we must examine that which is below and pass it by the soul and by the use of intuitive understanding one can discern how the building will proceed in the higher world. At first we will work on very simple molecules compared to what will be around a million years hence, something we cannot imagine in the present. Humans in different states of evolution with differing centers in operation correspond to light and heavy atoms. In the beginning we will not be concerned with the atomic weight of various members, (outside of general soul contact) but I am sure that such a measurement will come into play for certain purposes as we progress. The establishment of the Molecular Order on the earth will produce the largest leap in evolution and intelligence since man first appeared eighteen million years ago. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-29/7339 From: J J Dewey Subject: Disturbance in the Force Several of you are reporting having physical problems. I have felt a negative energy trying to distract the group. When such energy comes we must learn to let it pass through us as the illusion it is. Do not give it any attention other than to register it's existence so you can focus your mind to properly ignore it. Let us use the Jew Jerusalem meditation today to help those in need of healing and upliftment. Resume where we left off by seeing yourself under your tree watching the dual Masters under the central tree. All of us walk toward the center and gather around the central tree. One of the Masters speaks: "All who reside on the physical earth lack perfect balance and need healed in some way. Come. Each of you take one leaf from this Tree of Life and eat." You proceed toward the tree with wonderment as do the others and pick a single leaf from the tree and eat. First you take a nibble and from this you feel something like a warm electrical charge going through your being. Now you eat the whole thing and you feel almost reborn as if you are standing in the center of the Sun receiving life energy and blissfully loving every instant until you are completely recharged. You sense when you have received just the right amount of energy and you look toward the Masters again. One speaks: "Now you have abundance of energy we must release it to the group so perfect balance and healing is obtained. Come forward to the center one at a time." First Glenys goes to the center and assumes the lotus position and all of us, including the Masters, touch her with our right hands. Again the Master speaks: "Let the life of God flow forth in abundance." All of us feel energy going through (not from) us balancing her energies. Now Glenys gets up and it is obvious that she not only feels healed, but ready to take on anything. Now we repeat this same process with Susi and all the rest of the group. After all the group have gone through this healing including yourself see us doing a similar healing with anyone else you desire to help. See this person materializing in the center and then all of us touching him or her and sensing the healing energy being transmitted. This can create miracles for those who are ready. Post No. keys-1: /1999-09-30/7340 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: developing molecule Editor's Note: Repeat post of No. 7334 Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7341 From: Marylin Subject: Re: purpose Hi Geoffrey Welcome to the list. Glad you are posting and asking questions. We are not into "control" or taking over the earth as it might sound to you at times. We are about the business of learning and experiencing and many questions come up. We all feel free here to express our thoughts about anything, knowing that it is our right of free will to do so and we will not be down graded as a result. We are about love and compassion and service. When you signed up on Spiritweb you found the Keys of Knowledge List and clicked to be included. Did you scroll down to the bottom of the article and click on the part that takes you to all of the previous postings in the archive? If you can take the time to do this, you will possibly find what you are looking for, just as the rest of us have. Please keep posting. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7342 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT Purpose Hi Geoffrey, allow me to join Marylin and the rest of the family welcoming you to the table to partake of the abundance we receive. I hope you find a comfortable spot and choose to stay, we're a diverse and loving family whose arms are always outstretched ready to welcome. Love to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7343 From: Mark D Williams Subject: OT: Love Rising--Sicksters Get Well!!! Rick says: "Instead of the usual feeling of me falling in love, I feel it is love rising out from me, hard to describe because it is a new thing." Rick, I have had this feeling recently as well. I gave up trying to explain it (My curiosity always wants to know why about things.) and just started enjoying it. LOLL&P (Lots of Love, Light and Power) to all you "sickies" out there. :) Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7344 From: "GEOFFREY ELLIS" Subject: Re: Free Will Always Hi Glenys, JJ and Marylin Thank you for answering my questions with such love. I am a bit of a doubting Thomas I'm afraid. I like to have things confirmed before I leap in a new direction. I like the idea of having more energy to initiate healing in other people. I did take my Reiki Masters for this purpose. After reading your posts something clicked in my mind and it all became very clear with a good energy feeling. I wish I could join you all in the meditation but as soon as I enter the room, I fall asleep. This doesn't normally happen in my other meditations. So if you see me in N.J. on the floor asleep, please someone give me a kick. lol Not all at once! Your companion in thought Geoffrey Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7345 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: The Overshadowing Greetings to All, Thank you JJ for your insightful response to my questions. One final comment: "There may also be other overshadowings for other purposes. There are probably several going on right now on the earth and the friends and family of the overshadowed disciple may be oblivious to what is going on." This too is definitely as I see it, and I would assume here that these will also all link into the Molecular Order at some point, since that seems the whole overriding purpose here. In my experience in meeting with many groups, this overshadowing is quite extensive, and in many places in the world. Is this also how you see it JJ, that ultimately all the White Brotherhood Master/above Master will all link in with the Molecular Order? In love and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7346 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Free Will Always There's nothing wrong with taking a cautious approach, Geoffrey. It's good that you want to have things confirmed before taking the next step. That's not being 'doubtful'; it's being sensible. Anyway, glad we were able to help. Love Glenys PS Thank you to everyone who have sent prayers and messages to me. I finally gave in and went to the doctor yesterday to find I have just about every infection a person can have from the chest up. But I'm feeling so much better and I know it's because of your prayers - and 'getting my greens' -eating all those leaves from the tree in NJ! I'm sorry to hear that so many of us have been stricken and send you lots of love and support. We know that while we may be held up a little at times, nothing can stop us from doing what we are here to do. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- These are the days of miracle and wonder, this is the long distance call, the way the camera follows us in slow mo, the way we look to us all, the way we look to a distant constellation that dying in a corner of the sky These are the days of miracle and wonder And don't cry baby, don't cry, Don't cry.... ~ Paul Simon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7347 From: Jean Subject: Re: Disturbance in the Force J.J and others, I do have a question, John has helped me with this and would like to know if this is the "way" to the NJ. There are times when I reflect , especially when something may be troubling me, that I am walking along a beach with the ocean waves in the background...Jesus is walking with me and talking with me. He answers questions that I ask him regarding my life....A few on the list have told me that I am on the right track. But I guess I need to hear that from you J.J. Is that right? Am I close or am I in the NJ when I am meditating that? Love and blessings, Jean Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7348 From: Jean Subject: about a certain chapter in Book 1 of the Immortal Good evening keysters, in the first book of the Immortal, when John comes to the house and talks with Elizabeth and meets with her, they get on the subject about how certain diseases and I take it as conflicting emotions are connected. Such as her sickness in the book and how she can heal. Can anyone tell me what part diabetes and cancer would play in all that? Jean Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7349 From: Jean Subject: Fwd: about a certain chapter in Book 1 of the Immortal Editor's Note: Repeat post of No. 7348 Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7350 From: Jean Subject: Initiates..... J.J. On the subject of initiates..are you familiar with the author and I believe he was also a scientist, Walter Russel? I do not know much about him but have visited his home/museum called Swannanoah in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. From what I understand, he may have been considered an initiate? Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7351 From: Jean Subject: Walter and Lao Russell Here is something about them.... http://www.zaz.com/usp/bios.html Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7352 From: "Christopher Wynter" Subject: Re: about a certain chapter in Book 1 of the Immortal Jean asks: "Can anyone tell me what part diabetes and cancer would play in all that?" Diabetes ... unable to accept the sweetness of life ... or transmute the raw materials of life as you see it into a 'sweetness' that can sustain your existence Cancer ... a mutation of the cells ... comes from the holding on to dis-ease ... and not allowing the release/ transformation of emotion. Organs/areas of the body represent various functions of the whole human and are designed to work in harmony with one another. Disease of an organ or organ group is the manifestation of a state of mental dis-ease relative to that group function archetype. eg. in female, the breasts are symbolic of nurturing .. not only of a child but also yourself. Breast cancer stems from an ancestral history of lack or denial of self nurturing. Christopher Wynter Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7353 From: Jean Subject: Re: about a certain chapter in Book 1 of the Immortal Thank you so much Christopher for your response. It gives me something to ponder..... Pondering, Jean Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-30/7354 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Initiates..... "On the subject of initiates..are you familiar with the author and I believe he was also a scientist, Walter Russel?" Contemplating his book, the Universal One, brought my consciousness to the highest level I have yet known, in this body. He certainly has my vote. Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7355 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Middle Way Principle CHAPTER SENTY-SEVEN THE MIDDLE WAY PRINCIPLE Some will have a hard time seeing the Middle Way, just as they do in all matters. The general thinking among people is that we either need to set up an authority, or a "God without," that we need to follow without question, or we need to think entirely for ourselves by using our own reasoning powers and never follow anyone or give anyone any authority over us. The Middle Way principle teaches us that extremism and the black-and-white attitude is wrong, that the correct path is between the two extremes. We must look at both sides of all things and use the power of decision and judgment to make a decision somewhere down the middle. This principle applies to authority just as it does to anything else. To completely reject all authority is just as wrong as it is to "trust in the arm of flesh" or to accept authority without question or Soul confirmation. Where is the Middle Way here? How do we determine when to accept authority and when to reject it? Those who are truly on the Middle Way path will need no explanation, but, nevertheless, we must proceed to explain, for few have their feet securely on the path and we must make it as clear as possible. Some who are caught up in the black-and-white world will not understand, no matter how lengthy or detailed an explanation is given. For the person on the Middle Way, there still exists the power of authority. An example of such recognized authority for him or her is the Spirit of God Within. The voice of God speaking through the Soul is the ultimate authority for the disciple. He finds it to be basically infallible in so far as he can relate it correctly. The question to consider is this: Why is the authority of the Spirit recognized? Let us list the reasons: (1) The vibration of a person's Spirit is much higher than his personality, and it is logical that the higher would be more reliable than the lower. (2) The disciple who has tested previous information given through the Soul has always found it to be reliable. (3) A certain inner knowing and peace accompanies the revelations through the Soul. If the revelation feels wonderful and uplifting then it is logical that we will benefit by following it. (Keep in mind here that such a revelation produces the opposite feeling when taught to those who do not have Soul contact.) After a long period of testing the Spirit and finally bowing to its direction, the disciple does indeed accept it without question as an authoritative source. He may still question its direction in search of a full mental understanding, but he will never again question its authority. We must keep in mind that this is not blind acceptance, but an intelligent one. We must never place ourselves in the closed-minded position of rejecting all authority either on the inner or outer planes. What authorities are we to accept on the outer plane? The highest authority in the human kingdom should be one who has taught us a principle which has been confirmed by our own Souls. This means that such a person knows the power of Soul contact himself and, unless he has forgotten, ignored, or denied this power, he should be able to receive it again. Therefore, if he teaches us a second or third principle that may not seem to make sense to the personality self, we should still consider his doctrine and check with the Inner Spirit for verification. If the Spirit verifies his teachings again and again, then it becomes logical to grant the person more and more authority. The authority that we give such a person will open our minds and hearts to a greater power of receivership so we can consider the teachings with little resistance, making it easier for us to receive verification from our own Souls. Nevertheless, we should never give any man, woman, disembodied entity or even Master the same authority as our Souls, for we should always do our best to check the truth of all teachings with the Spirit of God which dwells in us. We call this authority we are talking about here an earned authority. If someone proves himself to be centered in the Soul time and time again, then he has earned the right to have some authority in our minds when he teaches. This can be a valuable help to us when we find it difficult to receive Soul confirmation on a matter. Perhaps your Soul has decided it wants you to use your own power of discretion here and is leaving you on your own. In this case, an authority who has earned your respect can be a valuable person to assist you. All leaders, or senders, in the Molecule should carry some authority over those who are receivers. The leaders should be "earned authorities," or people who can be trusted to make wise decisions. We should trust them with a certain amount of latitude to make decisions for the group, but at the same time keep them posted on the amount of input that we, as individuals, desire to have in the leadership process. If we cannot trust a leader with any power of authority, then he or she should be replaced with someone who we can trust. The problem in seeing the Middle Way in leadership is difficult. For, on one extreme, we have those in the top-down government thinking who put all their trust in their leaders, whether that authority is earned or not. This results in a bland, watered-down journey to nowhere. On the other extreme, we have the group who rejects all leadership and authority. This group will be very sluggish and slow to move forward or make decisions. The group as a whole will be frightened by any innovative path. A leader centered in the Soul who has authority with his peers is able to overcome these hurdles and move the group forward to stimulating new horizons. Think about it. If the apostles gave no authority to Jesus, how could he have created and unified the first Molecule? If George Washington had no power to give orders, how could he have won the Revolutionary War? If we give no support to those who have vision and Soul contact, what good does it do to have them around, or how could we prepare to accept Christ when he comes? If we recognize no authority at all then we will be too closed-minded to allow the Master of us all to prove himself when he comes. Would it not be sad to find ourselves in the position of the ancient Jews who rejected their Christed One because of misplaced authority? Let us follow the Middle Way and not mindlessly follow unearned appointed authorities, but lend support to elected ones and initiators who have a desire in their hearts to serve their fellow humans. Give the servants of the race power to serve without questioning and restricting their every move yet at the same time continually check with the soul to make sure the Purpose of God is being followed. Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7356 From: Jean Subject: Re: Initiates..... Yes Rick, I have been interested in doing there schooling the university of science and philosophy. I can tell you Swannanoah , there was much energy there. I did read the book by his wife Lao Russell called love. I would like to read more of his books. I have been to Swannanoah twice, in the back of there "castle" is a statue of Jesus looking to the heavens. It is in the middle of there Gardens. The second time my husband and I went there, we were on the second floor looking out with the tour and saw a beautiful full rainbow, it brought tears in my eyes. It was one of the most beautiful feelings between that and the energy I could feel there. Jean Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7357 From: Xavier Subject: Re: about a certain chapter in Book 1 of the Immortal Hi JEan, cancer is addressed in book one. When John talks about MS, he also explains what cancer is and where it comes from. Congestion. Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7358 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Free Will Always Geoffrey writes: "I wish I could join you all in the meditation but as soon as I enter the room, I fall asleep. This doesn't normally happen in my other meditations. So if you see me in N.J.on the floor asleep, please someone give me a kick. Lol Not all at once!" LoL, Geoffrey, I thought I was the only one who fell asleep as soon as I reached my room. I have been trying and trying but it happens every time. No wonder the "angels" in front of the door are always smiling at me. I've had no bad inner feelings about it, so I guess all is as it should be. Maybe we are just not quite ready yet for more......then, again, maybe we are in need of a good sleep. What better place is there for a good thorough rest? Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7359 From: Laura Subject: Jean - Walking with Christ (OT?) Seems to me that your conversations with Jesus could be a manifestation of thoughforms, in other words - your mind, in your meditation, is creating your ideal picture of Christ and using the wisdom that you already hold inside of your soul and spirit to give you guidance for the days to come. That peace, that love which you feel coming off of Jesus as you walk along the lapping waters is coming from you and from that spark of a flame inside of you that is the love and glory of the Father. You are certainly on the right track if you are finding wisdom in his words, for what you are doing is looking inside of yourself for that inner wisdom. When your soul sings in harmony with the words that your vision of Jesus tells you, you know that he is speaking the truth. Let me caution you, though, Jean - should your vision of Jesus ever say anything that causes you the slightest bit of doubt, if your soul ever stops singing in that beautiful harmony, then question where your vision is coming from. Always, always question the source, no matter how many times it's come through for you in the past! :) L&L, Laura Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7360 From: Laura Subject: Dark Molecules? Okay, JJ, you've piqued my interest... "Because the Molecular Order will be connected with the forces of light the powers available will only work for those who seek to serve and to help. The Molecular link will be automatically severed as soon as anyone wishes to use higher powers for self or for the control of others." "On the other hand, the Dark Brothers hope to manifest their own version of the molecule. They can develop powers to produce some magical results that will impress those with no soul contact, but the main difference will be in service. Their magic is to impress and to enslave. That of the forces of Light is to empower and to serve." Okay, what's this about the Dark Brothers creating a molecule? I was under the impression that the only way to link together in a molecule is through soul contact. Since the Dark Brothers reject the soul and do not use it, how can they attempt to form a molecule? What kind of a bond can be made in between members in order to form that molecule? And.. most importantly, perhaps, are we going to be able to create our molecule before the Dark Brothers create theirs? Is this the great battle in Revelations that precedes the 1000 years of peace - a battle of molecular orders? Quizzically yours, laura Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7361 From: "Tracey Hobson" Subject: Re: about a certain chapter in Book 1 of the Immortal Hi Jean, I've heard that diabetes can be linked to the loss of "sweetness" in one's life. This was certainly true when it hit my mom at age 40. We had just moved out of the mountains into town and she hated it. She missed the "sweetness" of the mountains. I've heard, and observed, that there is a link between anger and cancer. But I honestly don't think there are any steadfast rules about the "whys" of people getting various ailments. I think there are many reasons why these things manifest, not the least of which is to give others the opportunity to be of service to those who are suffering or to enable the sufferer to learn how to receive. My $.02... xo, Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-10-01/7362 From: Lorraine Deckard Subject: Samu's Biography HEAR YE HEAR YE!! ALL WELCOME THE GREAT SAMU! In his own words; Hello everybody, my name is Samu and I'm a keystologic. Just kidding Folks! :) My full name is Samu Peter Karlsson, and I was born in Porvoo, Finland under piscean stars on saturday night March 4 1972 20:42pm in The Land of the Thousand Lakes and have lived in the town I was born in and Helsinki area most of my life, except for the few months I found myself located in the US back in '96. My astrological birthchart can be found at http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/SamuAstro.html I find these charts to say a lot about who I am, a curious ponderer and mystic at heart, many of my fortes as well as challenges are mentioned. Pretty sensitive, emotional and dreamy, still logical, practical and straightforward... At least on some days :) I like to make life light, for others and myself! :) For the past few months I've had the great honor to get to know and become close with someone, connect on every level... Romantic? Yes. Working? Yes, this relationship seems to be working indeed! :D Molecular? Time will tell. We've been talking quite a bit about JJ's teachings and we just might form a 'unit' when time is ripe, I know I plan to be a part of the bigger molecule in the future, absolutely. I have been to New Jerusalem, created my room and met many of you there :) To be honest, it has been a rather quick visit though; for the past several months I've dedicated most of my time to renovating my place. I live in my home town Porvoo right now, after having spent some years around the capital area, going thru many things in life, relationships, studying, working etc. You could say, experiencing life at its finest! My home used to belong to my grandparents, my grandpa, God bless his heart, who moved into finer realms about 6 months ago built the house I live in back in 1952, after the war he lived thru. Our family has always been pretty tight, I am very grateful for family teaching me so many things, for reminding me of what's important in life and what's not, sometimes by being an example, other times showing precisely the kind of things I have no desire to explore further. But most of all, I am grateful for them tolerating and accepting me as I am :) I do not have any children, but I am looking forward to be a dad, *some day* when the time is and the planets align in a fruitful way :) My introduction to the Immortal came thru a list I was on at the time where we discussed Lemuria. John F.Winston started posting the chapters of book I one by one, and from there I found my way to JJ's site where I downloaded and read the whole book. And when something resonates so deep within your very being, there's no question which way you choose to go :) Rick, who I had collaborated with earlier, him creating wonderful pics of Motherland Mu and me offering them a page, initiated the Keys of Knowledge mailing list and invited me to join, and I've been here ever since the dawn, the first rays of light which shone back in November of '98. I ordered the whole book a little later, and loved it. But to be honest also, I feel here on the list with JJ guiding the discussion we've gone *way* deeper than the book and this is what really has given me so much spiritual nourishment, I can not express my gratitude to JJ with words alone. I feel honored to be allowed to be here, and share all of this with all of the fine Keysters. I work as a product designer for a company called Norpe, http://www.norpe.fi The office building is located just a few minutes from where I live, so during the summers I enjoy pedaling to work on my bike. The field of industry I work in is commercial refrigeration, or cold cabinets as we simply call them :) I spend most of my days working on various cad-programs, doing 3d-modeling etc. I really like my job, and at the same time it really isn't my zeal for life. What is, I guess I need to grow up before it reveals itself to me, so it's gonna be one long wait... Hehehee :) Well I'v