1999 - WEEK 36 Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6560 From: Anni West Subject: Welcome Zia Hi Zia and all I just want to join the welcome home chorus, Zia. I am very happy to see you back :-))))) Love and light to all Anni Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6561 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: One Plus One Equals One J J Dewey wrote: "First let me state that in the Molecule the male and female are counted as one unit. In defiance of the laws of mathematics 1+1=1. Actually this is in harmony with the Law of Fusion. Neither the male nor female is left out." It reminds me of a conversation Einstein was supposed to have had with Sri Shivapuri Baba when he (Einstein) was a young student of mathematics in Switzerland. Sri Shivapuri Baba challenged the proposition 1+1=2. Einstein at once became contemplative but could not follow him. Sri Shivapuri Baba told Einstein "Absolutely speaking, only God exists, so the question of adding one thing to another cannot be entertained. Relatively speaking, no two things or beings are exactly alike. So, to say 1+1=2 is convenient but not correct". If you follow this logic, ultimately, even the 12 units of the Molecule equal one although I know that that's not entirely useful for this particular scenario :-) "Unlike past ages as the human initiator I will not be in the center as the thirteenth member, but my wife and I will be one of the twelve units as equals with them. Nevertheless, there is still a thirteenth in the center and that is the Christ Himself who will establish a link with us between heaven and earth." Would I be right in assuming that membership of a particular Molecule can be fluid? That a unit can move out into another Molecule if the need arises (rather than the forced ejection such as in the case of Judas)? As Molecules strengthen could the stronger units move out to assist other Molecules form? "Gather around you people who will listen to what you have been given and I will come in unto you and give you more." That's wonderful, JJ. We're listening and waiting for more, Obedient Creatures that we are!! :-) "I was not told the number I had to gather with me but assume that it is at least 24. I am also not sure if the internet gathering is sufficient, but nevertheless my impression is to make the best of what we have to work with despite our distances and much good will come from it." Do you mean 24 people or units or Molecules? (Excuse me if I'm obtuse - OK then....thick.......on this :-) I assume you mean 24 people to bring about the first Molecule. I'm still not sure how the Synthesis Groups fit into the Molecular Principle, if at all. Thanks for answering my questions, JJ. As you can see your answers have raised even more but like a lot on the list, I'm fascinated - as well as excited at the possibilities ahead. Love Glenys PS Welcome back, Zia. There's nothing like a holiday but nothing beats coming home. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other. - Eric Hoffer Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6562 From: Xavier Subject: Re: One Plus One Equals One you ended your message by: "Help on these questions from the list or from JJ would be much appreciated!" So here I go. Laura writes: "Will there be only one Molecule connected with the Christ? I would think that once the word gets out and the soul connections are made that tens of thousands of complete molecules of 13 will be made. I realize that Christ, as a Master, must have many capabilities - will he head them all, or just the Molecule of the Masters-to-be?" X: If only one molecule was formed during Christ Jesus' life, then I guess we may be happy to have progressed to the point to be able, as Humankind, to build a few ones, and in a better way. Though I keep the door open for more, it is what I read in JJ's last message (between lines). Other messages mentioned more. Anyway we need to build first one, this is what matters;-)) Christ head them all? He surely might, I guess. He already rules the spiritual Hierarchy. the molecule of the Masters to be? Masters to be, in my reckoning, are fourth initiation initiates. "Arhat" they call em, what does it mean? Anyway, take Leonardo da Vinci and you have an idea of the abilities of an Arhat;-) Sorry to be such a take-down, though lol ;-) Let a higher hearted one compensate my gloomy views lol ;-) (next question seemed good to me, anyway i had no answer and it headed right.) JJ: I know the time is close for Excalibur to be released from the stone once again, but I will not predict the exact date. I only know for sure what I have been told which is this: "Gather around you people who will listen to what you have been given and I will come in unto you and give you more." Laura: Question.. This is a very inspiring quote - Thank you for sharing it!!!! However, I am wondering if you are referring to Excalibur figuratively or literally? Me: He was talking literally, this is plain by the quote. When he talks figurative, he says it clearly, like adding an adverb that says it. (hey am I playing the second voice, interpreter and fake authority? never mind, i'll go on.) I don't know what Excalibur is, nor am I familiar with what is told. I'm thrilled to learn about it now, and from a clear source;-) Laura: * Excalibur stood for all that was good and right in Arthur's court. When Arthur was betrayed, he returned the sword to its owner (the Lady fo the Lake) so it would not fall into the hands of the wicked or unjust. This makes me think that although Excalibur was that powerful symbol, it's not a pure and non-pollutable symbol. Is this correct? Me: "symbol" is a bit weak here, apparently it may be an object of power. That only comes down to earth (or up from earth) when a suitable "court" is gathered;-) Reminds me of the staves used to grant initiation. An old tool from far off;-) (AABailey talks about them, and Leadbeater) Reminds me of the grail as well. An object to manifest light. Yes it couldn't stay exteriorized when the "court" would disappear. Another question would be.. does a new leader need to draw the sword out of the stone again? Or is Excalibur simply hidden in a cavern deep in the earth (drawing it from the stone? :) ----------- Welcome, JJ king arthur;-) lol . No idea. Well, and we have mystical celtish forests here...hmm. Anyone from England on list? ;-) Or Scotland, Ireland of course;-) (Hi Zia;-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6563 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Welcome back Zia Hip hip hip! Hoorrraaahhh ! :-) love and laughter Rick Audette wrote: "I am pleased to announce, that Zia has rejoined the Keys of Knowledge list. Welcome home Zia. We missed you." Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6564 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Welcome back Zia Now if you wish to remain a lurker after that, sorry, we may have not helped;-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6565 From: Xavier Subject: OT catholic church (15 lines) Caramel writes: "Hello All: I recently read Books 1 and 2 and wanted to say that I wish I had bumped into this e-mail when I started feeling some of these symptoms." wow, a warm welcome to our friend from the church. By the way, these are powerful tools when used consciously. (holy water, bible, prayer etc..) I do respect this church power, I just wish one could access them without being brainwashed everywhere. I'm thinking about CW Leadbeater's "Science of sacraments" ("la science des sacraments", my approximative translation) for those who wish to have a look at what a catholic ritual can be, when performed by a very good occultist. And no, this is no "evil" spirit;-))) Too many christians believe that using mind and knowledge, the intellect and the critical sense, and applicate them to religion, is being deluded by the devil. Here in France that's what you hear on the radio. "think for us, and we'll worship your rite" seem to say the believers. As if they added "anyway we cant fight you, you have the talking stick". Hey anyone has the talking stick on earth, by right anyway. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6566 From: J J Dewey Subject: 12+12=1 Laura asks: "Will there be only one Molecule connected with the Christ? I would think that once the word gets out and the soul connections are made that tens of thousands of complete molecules of 13 will be made. I realize that Christ, as a Master, must have many capabilities - will he head them all, or just the Molecule of the Masters-to-be?" Every molecule created will be connected to the first molecule which receives spiritual energy and instruction from Christ and passes it on. Thus each molecule has equal access to Spirit and when activated through the linking principle, has all the advantages of the initiating molecule. This is the second stage in materializing the second coming (or reappearance) of the Christ. Don't look for people jumping on the bandwagon in droves here, at least at first. Finding even 24 people who can be one through soul contact is difficult enough. Many will come in wanting the molecules to adjust to their personality level rather than them adjusting to the oneness of the soul. It will be extremely important that the initiating molecular members all be at-one with the soul or all molecules created afterwards will be flawed, like an imperfect crystal. Before everything is said and done I will probably be called a dictator for insisting that all members of the first molecule reach soul contact and thus achieve oneness in thought - but this is something that must be achieved to a workable degree. This is why Jesus called John the Baptist the greatest prophet who ever lived. Because he prepared a molecule for Jesus that was capable of soul contact and oneness in thought and turned them over to Jesus after the Spirit descended upon Him. By the way I would like to see some of your artwork Laura. Could you send me a scan of something in a jpg or giff? Jean asks: "I do not know if this means anything, I had a dream the other night, I can not clearly remember all of it but I do remember a sword with a I believe to be inside a crystal stone...can anyone explain my dream to me and all of you beginning to mention this?" It is possible Excalibur will be recovered in the new age, but not necessary for the sword and the stone are symbols. The stone is a symbol of Christ and the sword is a symbol of the Word of God. By creating a molecular link with the Brotherhood of Light through Christ (the stone) the Word of God (the sword) is unsheathed and cuts asunder truth from error to build Camelot (the kingdom of God). It is interesting that the name Peter means Rock or Stone and Jesus planted his word (the sword) in him and through Peter the first working Molecule continued with the invisible Christ assisting. The name Arthur is from the Celtic "artos" which also means "stone." It is also interesting that my wife's real name is Artie which comes from Arthur. Perhaps her support keeps the sword of truth alive in me more than I know. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6567 From: "Jennifer Hampson" Subject: Musings and ramblings I was just musing on what JJ wrote..... "It will be extremely important that the initiating molecular members all be at-one with the soul or all molecules created afterwards will be flawed, like an imperfect crystal." .....and I was thinking how we are in some ways forerunners of the Aquarian Age, and that, as in any project, the quality of its beginning or foundation plays a very significant part in determining what follows. So our task is a valuable one. And then I thought of the number of people who seem to feel they have some great part to play or are wondering about their purpose in life. Could it not be that we are fulfilling our purpose without even realizing it, just by living the values by which we live, and influencing those around us? We espouse many Aquarian values on this list, which could be said to be ahead of its time, by the standards of the general public. I know many of us have felt out of place, or different, or have, for the sake of our own integrity and convictions, had to go against the common perception of things during our early life. Sometimes this has had an observable effect on those around, sometimes not - but always an effect. I notice that many things I feel I have always known (and I am certain I am not alone here) are only now becoming acceptable topics of conversation in society. (15 years ago no-one around me ever gave any serious consideration to the idea of reincarnation, for example. Now I can talk about it without being considered a lunatic.) All we do, say, think, feel and are, has an impact or a ripple effect on those around us (a good reason to be mindful of what we express!) but I sort of think in our case, as forerunners of the New Age, we are unlikely to get external recognition for our role. The fanfare will be for those that come after us, for whom we have prepared the way. (But then I suppose any generation can be seen as preparing the way for the next.) But this does not diminish the usefulness of our service. To people who are waiting for some voice from the clouds to let them know their mission in life, I would say give up waiting, just be of service the best way you know how. Just being yourself in a world in which so many are pretending or have forgotten who they are is a wonderful service to others. I find it so refreshing when I come across it in others that I have thought it worthwhile lately to attempt to get to know myself, my real self, warts and all. When JJ says, "Before everything is said and done I will probably be called a dictator for insisting that all members of the first molecule reach soul contact together and thus achieve oneness in thought - but this is something that must be achieved to a workable degree", I for one appreciate that he insists on laying the right foundation for the enterprise. Even if I do not achieve the oneness in thought needed for the first molecule, I am glad to know that whoever is, will be doing it right for the rest of us to follow! Already as a group I think we share quite a high degree of unity. Especially when you consider the diversity of backgrounds we come from. (I am often with groups of people, but even when there is a high degree of superficial things in common, there is usually much more conflict or oneupmanship or 'game-playing', than I find here amongst the Keysters. Perhaps this is because we are aligned on many of the deeper issues and that is where our focus is.) By the way, JJ, I don't comment on many of your posts, because I don't know what to say. What you write amazes me. Just call it stunned silence, and consider it a rare compliment from one who usually has something to say about everything. Love Jennifer Life cannot wait until the sciences have explained the universe. We cannot put off living until we are ready. The most salient characteristic of life is its coerciveness; it is always urgent, 'here and now' without any possible postponement. Life is fired at us point blank. Jose Ortega Y Gasset For a long time it had seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. THEN life would begin. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles WERE my life. Fr. Alfred D'Souza PS Talking about Camelot (well, someone was somewhere at some time!), I have often identified with my namesake, Guinevere, and have lived out a parallel of the Arthur/Lancelot/Guinevere triangle this life. Currently I'm in the equivalent part of the cycle to where she took herself off to a convent. I certainly don't intend for the story to end there! What did happen to Guinevere then and in subsequent lives? Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6568 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: ZIA'S HOME What wonderful news to wake up to, Zia's back on the list. You must know, dear friend, how much you were missed. Bells are ringing, banner's are flying, sounds of laughter & joy can be heard. sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6569 From: "Aley" Subject: Re: NJ animation Dear Laura, I don't have your email address so will send this through the list Yes please we need help This is going to be so much fun Are you on ICQ it helps for connecting with ideas ect Check out my art gallery http://www.worldtrans.org/creators/gallery.html Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6570 From: "Caramel" Subject: Re: OT catholic church (15 lines) Xavier: Thanks for the warm welcome. Presently, I do not belong to any religion at all. There are, however, plenty of fear based religions by the hundreds around me. Caramel Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6571 From: Laura Subject: Re: 12+12=1 Thanks for the response, JJ.. "Every molecule created will be connected to the first molecule which receives spiritual energy and instruction from Christ and passes it on. Thus each molecule has equal access to Spirit and when activated through the linking principle, has all the advantages of the initiating molecule." So then this would mean that the members of the original molecule will actually be involved in countless other secondary molecules? I know that we can't expect the world to jump in on this all at once, but I have faith that in the coming decades as your word gets out and people realize what's going on, two things will happen: 1. Good Thing - The soul will speak to these people and when they realize it, they'll begin to form molecules and seek truth through soul contact. The membership on this list in particular will skyrocket. 2. Much later, once this becomes a true movement towards truth, I wouldn't be surprised if the Beast picked up on this and tried to turn JJ into another David Koresh through the mouth of the media. Overall I trust the soul of humanity when it comes down to it. I think we are really entering into an age when we'll all see people as a whole recognize the true benefits of soul contact. "By the way I would like to see some of your artwork Laura. Could you send me a scan of something in a jpg or giff?" Ehrrrrmm...:) I've got some earlier stuff up on my webpage. You can go to: http://members.tripod.com/~BlackLeatherRain/index.html and visit the 'Pages' page. I've got some of my art & writings there on links. Wednesday I'll be receiving digital copies of my paintings and I'll be adding those by the end of the week. "It is interesting that the name Peter means Rock or Stone and Jesus planted his word (the sword) in him and through Peter the first working Molecule continued with the invisible Christ assisting. Perhaps her support keeps the sword of truth alive in me more than I know." *ahem :) Is this the closets we're going to get to an admission of identity from JJ? :) -Laura Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6572 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: Welcome OT Caramel, welcome to the list, the table is always full, and the fire is warm & comforting. sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6573 From: "Cynthia Gear" Subject: Re: Hello and The Hierarchical Connection Hello Everyone, My name is Cindy Gear and this is my first post to the list since I joined towards the end of July. Since then I have been "feverishly" trying to catch up through the list archives and Samu's website as time allows. Membership in a mailing list is a new experience for me and I must say I have been enjoying it immensely and learning so much. As for myself, I have been a longtime truth seeker in this life, investigating and experiencing many paths. JJ's The Immortal Books One and Two had quite an effect on me (and that is an understatement) so here I am. I am leaving tomorrow for 3 weeks on a trip to Great Britain that I had been looking forward to for some time but now I am filled with regret at being away from a computer and these teachings for that long! I do have one question regarding The Hierarchical Connection and specifically JJ's diagram of the Molecular Order. I apologize if I have just missed something and this has been previously addressed but I was curious as to why the Planetary Logos' Molecule consists of only 7 (1 + 6) including the A.O.D. when everybody else's Molecule is on the 1 + 12 plan. Does this have anything to do with the seven rays? I am really looking forward to reading about the last 6 fruits also. Thanks so much to all for making this list a delightful place to visit and I am looking forward to sharing and learning more with you in the future. Cindy Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6574 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: Hello OT Welcome home, Cindy Gear, what an exciting time, going to Great Britain and carrying the energy of this group with you and the recent teachings of JJ's with you, maybe you can soak up some energy from the Round Table, Wishing you a wonderful enlightening trip, and looking forward to your postings when you return. love & light, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6575 From: "Caramel" Subject: Re: Welcome OT Thanks Sharon. I've been reading e-mails of everyone and find them very inspiring. Caramel Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6576 From: "* Zia" Subject: What A Welcome!! Greetings to ALL!!! Wow, what a welcome, thank you to each and every one of you, and to so many new souls joining during my wonderful 'extended' holiday, yes Glenys you're right there! And to especially those friends keeping tabs on me and reminding me continuously of your presence in my heart. Oh Xavier you always bring out the laughter in me, and I delight in your presence too. Enjoyed 'voice' conversations with some of you in my absence, and Anni your Video was beautiful, and your thoughts as well. Rick is certainly a mastermind at making these gismos work! And may miracles abound in your legal proceedings to bring completion for you. I am in catch up mode for awhile, yet enjoy the quality of the postings recently, Jennifer your musings and ramblings touched my heart! Would like to put a special request out to all of you... a previous list member, Robin Bryant... quite some time on the list, went into hospital less than a month ago having her gall bladder removed, and 'advanced non-specific cancer' was found through-out the abdomen. She has now gone to California to be with her mum, and apply healing methodologies and I know our love and healing thoughts will be of great benefit to her. She is a happy soul, willing to meet the challenge. Was also impressed with your artwork Diane 'Aley', loving the Golden Dove, *The Night We Danced the World Alive*, Cross and Dove, and Heartbeats. Just beautiful. And most of all to JJ, am enjoying your 'Molecular Relationship', it is splendid food for thought, and not only are you an 'initiator' but a very determined 'completer' as well, perhaps another of the necessary qualities of the initiate, to complete the task undertaken! Four or five days ago, we had a rainy day (the norm here in Washington) and I felt compelled to watch TV - rare for me! Sat down in the chair, and glanced out the lounge window. There was the most spectacular rainbow formation I have ever seen in my life, and we get many rainbows here. There was a huge X in golden light...very golden brilliantly so at the crossing point... and the rays of sunlight although behind me, somehow creating this pattern, and the rainbow... well it was not curved like a rainbow... and perhaps due to the different clouds and positions created reflected colors off clouds but not in a rainbow shape nor the standard rainbow colors... rather like the sides of the pyramid reflected off the clouds giving shape etc... and the outline in purple and green. I watched this build and amplify and radiate, and felt so profoundly that this was the Christ energy link-up of the Grand Cross, and NJ. Three or four days later saw Rick's post of the nj1 and nj2. It seemed mother nature had written NJ in the sky. I called to my son to look at the rainbow and he came and said 'way cool mum, how did the rainbow get such a wierd shape?' or words to that effect! Am happy to be here...still in love and laughter (Xavier!), ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6577 From: Susi Subject: Everyone, Zia, JJ, Glennys Hi all I haven't said Hi for a while so I just wanted to update everyone on the Common Threads Questionnaire. We have 26 people who responded of those 25 would participate and I would like to thank all of you who did reply! Since this is approx.. only 1/8 of the list I do not feel it is worth while to pursue the Common Threads Questionnaire at this time......that is not to say that maybe at a later date I or someone else might not try again. Zia *BIG SMILE* I always knew you would return at a later date, I've thought of you often and am truly glad to have your energy back here on the list. Though I must say I still felt your energy even while you were not subscribed ;-) Glennys, Happy belated Birthday! JJ, I probably missed something along the way because I fell behind on your postings and the lists questions over the last month but am wondering to make the Molecule which consists of 13......is it actually 24=12 because 1+1=1 and if you include the 1+1=1 that is in the center of the molecule we would actually have 26 making up one molecule??? Meaning 26=13?? Another concern I have is that I think we already have enough people on list to make up more than one molecule, at the very least one. The concern is that those who can help to create the larger molecule will not come forward. I have expressed this concern before about people who like yourself are busy being of service and living their life to the best of their ability, much like Jennifer Hampsons' last post stated so well (thank you Jennifer for speaking out) and though these people are concerned with the welfare of the whole they also do not actively seek out recognition or glamour. So again I ask the question how will you know who, where, and when you have enough to make up your first molecule given the above concern? Some Rantings about JJ as a Dictator. To all I do not feel JJ will ever be perceived as a Dictator! We are all here on this list of our own free will and can unsubscribe or re-subscribe according to the direction each of our individual wills takes us. The majority of the Keysters are listening and contribute infrequently while a small handful speaks out regularly......because we listen does not necessarily mean that we are marionettes and JJ is the puppeteer (Dictator) who has full control over us telling us to go one way and then another with us all following and agreeing with his every move even if they might be contradictory.....instead I personally perceive this list as a vital source of information that helps to keep me abreast of how the rest of the planet is coming together as a whole. It is not my only source of information but one that I have chosen to make a Key (pun intended) source, the ultimate source is still and will remain for the rest of my days on this planet my soul, higher self, the part of me that communicates with the All the One. Much of what JJ writes I can identify with but not all......I feel JJ has much knowledge to share and is being helped by what or who I'm not sure but I am sure within my own self that it is a good energy, one of light and unconditional love. I feel JJ has much more knowledge than he has presented here yet is holding back for what ever reason he feels is necessary, maybe a belief that we are not ready to comprehend all that he has to share (notice I say share not teach because ultimately as I stated before it is up to each of us the viewers/listeners to take this advice and use it in the best possible manner and many of us will choose to do nothing with it).....anyway in this sharing we learn, we learn we have many common threads that have brought us all together. We learn that no matter what level we have achieved in our past or present, no matter where we live on this beautiful planet and no matter who we are, we are all accepted just the way we are. I guess what I want to make clear to anyone who might ever read any of our postings now or in the future my own views and thoughts concerning any ones ideas that JJ might be a Dictator or a David Koresh or a Jesus or King Arthur etc... for me personally this is my view on the subject: " I will boldly go where no one has gone before, but I will not blindly follow. I am not a puppet, a marionette, or that little guy the ventriloquist keeps in a box.....I have a mind, a will, and a soul of my own and I will exercise my freedom of speech and free will no matter what the costs to my physical being from now until the time unending." It is important to me to go on record with the above statement because in the event people do revue these writings now or one hundred years from now and do in fact try to make JJ out to be anything even remotely resembling a dictator and all people subscribed to the list to be followers I want them to no that they are WRONG.....and I can't make that wrong big enough. I am here because I appreciate what JJ and everyone else on this list has to offer and this is my Soul reason for being a member. Lastly another observation on the telepathic communications of the keysters as a whole. I rented First Knight last week because I LOVE King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table along with Merlin and most anything else that surrounds that era in time.....so to see you all speaking of King Arthur within days of my desire to again be grounded by watching a movie about Guinevere and Leonees (sp) and Lancelot is truly up lifting and confirms my decision to stay on this list.......we are already connected and if we do ever complete a Common Threads Questionnaire we will all see just how much. Even those who wish to remain anonymous or in their own way separate from the group will find they are connected non-the-less than those who speak out. We are all part of the whole! My love to all of you and to all of you who have yet to come Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6578 From: Jean Subject: Re: Everyone, Zia, JJ, Glennys That was greatly put Susi, I feel as you do...I am an open minded individual, I love to share and receive knowledge but that is as far as it goes. I do not feel J.J that you are a dictator either, I hope that all on this list realize that and also do not "follow" you, You are a teacher but we all benefit from each other. My included homepage: http://community.webtv.net/Timber-roo/TheSandsOfTime Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6579 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: Free Will Brava Suzi, beautifully put. A quick once over of the posts on this list would show anyone with more than one brain cell how very individual we all are. We definitely share love and closeness that might seem unusual to many, because we share love & closeness through the heart not judging with our sight, but our inner knowingness. JJ has been challenged so often that to even consider thinking of him as a dictator is laughable. JJ is a much loved brother that offers his insight, invites us to use our minds & free will, listens, then moves on. This list feeds me (some might say too well) in a way i have not really been fed before, my brain is stretched into area's that i sometimes only visited before. I can love JJ and learn from JJ without having to worship him, i don't even have to pay for his teachings to receive them. Then there is the added bonus of every single beloved member of this family old, new & returned. We are each of us a finger or a thumb, while knowing God is the hand, we can be individual and be ONE at the same time. Get her off that soap box! love & light, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6580 From: "Rapter" Subject: Who or What am I? J.J. your response to my inquiry about who or what you might have been in a past life was very appropriate - I felt very satisfied with its content. There was a short period of time when I was afraid you were going to ignore the issue completely. But true to form you came through with insights about the subject which exceeded my expectations. Keith Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6581 From: "Rapter" Subject: N. J. Meditation My attempts to reach N.J. have been a little different from what I have read in most of the posts on the topic. For example, my strongest impressions have never been visual they have been a combination of intense feelings and emotions. There are intense waves of energies I experience which can only be described as loving embraces. Upon reaching the inner courtyard of the pyramid I meet a being of light energy who's presence radiates such love energy that it is almost to much to handle. Especially when you tell him/her that you are there to serve the intensity increases tenfold. This portion of the meditation is always the high point for me. When I leave the courtyard and try visualizing my room the enregy level just isn't as intense, but I continue through the meditation anyway. The energy level picks up again when I'm trying to pour out loving energy to the world at large, but never as intense as in the courtyard of the pyramid. Another attempt to reach N.J. got side tracked before it even started. While beginning the meditation I began to say the prayer (song) and spontaneously added the words, "I am becoming - I am placing my attention upon my decision to serve". When I said these words a flash of light went off right in front to my face. The flash was so intense that it reminded me of a flash bulb going off right in front of my face. Now, as soon as the flash of light went off I was hit by a wave of love energy that was so intense I could not think or move. I just bathed in its intensity as it went from the top of my head down through my whole body. Now each time I said the words this flash of light went off and the wave of love energy ensued through my body. This went on for about 20 minutes continually with me saying the words and each time the flash with the wave of love energy. Anyway at times the intensity of the wave effect was so strong that I had to hold off saying the words again because I was not prepared for the wave to come. May the wave be with you all! Keith Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-06/6582 From: "Marquita Harris" Subject: Hello Everyone Hello, My name is Marquita Harris, and since August I have been reading the contents of this site with great interest. I'm thankful to you for the environment that you keep here. It's a pleasure to connect with you, and I look welcome more sharing and interaction. I am reading the archives in order to catch up with all that has been shared. I love the energy of "The Immortal", and feel blessed to have the "Song of the 144,000". Looking forward to more info on the Hierarchical Connection also. Take Good Care, Marquita Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6583 From: Rick Audette Subject: Welcome Warmest welcomes to Marquita, Cindy, Keith, Caramel and a host of other newcomers and first time posters. We are all so glad you joined us. I mentioned, the other day, that Zia had returned, but didn't tell all that there are some others that have also come back, because I sensed they didn't want the fanfare. Zia, on the other hand, seemed very accepting of the winks and nudges offered by those of us that never really saw her as gone from the family. Anyhow, next time I post the latest list, see if you don't notice some new, old friends. I see we have a new member that is a person I met long ago and far away. Welcome to the family, Peter. And gosh, Cindy, did you by any chance attend High School in Schenectady, N.Y.? I knew a girl by that name, back then, what are the odds. I was doing some house cleaning, in my mail program, today. I had about 3500 e-mails to delete (even with the archives, I find it hard to delete any of the wonderful mail that I get from the Keysters). While scrolling down the stack, several names where there by the score. I got to thinking, I wonder who holds the record for the most number of posts sent to this list. Not that it means anything important, but I enjoy a little "Keyster" trivia now and then. It would take hours to get a count and I might try it some time, but for now it might be fun to try and guess (hint; it's not me or JJ). Well, I just had to get on here tonight and say hi to the family I love so much, but now I better go get some sleep, big day in court tomorrow. I am happy in knowing that all your love, light and power will be with me. One, Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com A smile is a curved line that sets things straight. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6584 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Hello OT Sharon writes: "Welcome home, Cindy Gear Yes Cindy, I was just asking if someone lived in the united kingdom, and here you pop up saying you're traveling there;-) lol I wont comment;-) lol Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6585 From: J J Dewey Subject: Questions & Comments Susi asks: "I probably missed something along the way because I fell behind on your postings and the lists questions over the last month but am wondering to make the Molecule which consists of 13......is it actually 24=12 because 1+1=1 and if you include the 1+1=1 that is in the center of the molecule we would actually have 26 making up one molecule??? Meaning 26=13?? Another concern I have is that I think we already have enough people on list to make up more than one molecule, at the very least one. The concern is that those who can help to create the larger molecule will not come forward. I have expressed this concern before about people who like yourself are busy being of service and living their life to the best of their ability, much like Jennifer Hampsons' last post stated so well (thank you Jennifer for speaking out) and though these people are concerned with the welfare of the whole they also do not actively seek out recognition or glamour. So again I ask the question how will you know who, where, and when you have enough to make up your first molecule given the above concern?" Each human molecules has twelve male/female units. Each unit consists of one primary male/female plus possible associates as we will illustrate shortly in the treatise I am posting. Many of your questions will be answered in this. In the center of the initiating molecule will be the Christ. Whether He has a separate female companion or has a fullness of male/females lives within Him for balance is not for me to write at this time, but I will say this. He is overshadowed by the Ancient of Days and in the relationship Christ is the receiver (female) and the Logos is the sender (male). In relation to us they as a unit are definitely male or sending. As the molecules expand into 2, 4, 12 and 24 structures the consciousness of Christ will expand with them always being in the center. Various Masters will transmit energy to various molecules, but the consciousness of the Christ will be in the center of them all as the invisible authority, this time replacing the idea of a visible infallible physical authority from the Piscean age that caused the world so much grief. I will know we have enough for the first molecule when I count them up and I number twelve totally committed male/female units that can see eye to eye in the soul and touch the Spirit as one life. All who desire to create Molecules are welcome to step forward. If you are ready your spiritual endowment will come. If not the path to follow lies before you to tread. If you are pure in heart you will always have your next step revealed if you do not step backwards. Keith, I was happy to hear your experience. You expressed an interesting phrase that brought you wonderful feelings of the Spirit: "I am becoming - I am placing my attention upon my decision to serve". One of the reasons you were richly rewarded is that you expressed this as representing your own thoughts and in those thoughts was a true desire to serve. Very seldom do the Higher Lives hear such expressions from mere humans without wading through much ego first. I salute you. You mentioned that you felt less energy in the room. This is as it should be. The room is the real starting point of our project and we will go from a stillness allowing us to gather our thoughts to some interesting avenues that will bring endowments of spiritual flow. If you want to wander outside your room and look around and see what you are allowed to discover that is fine. You will not see everything, but you will see that which you are ready to see. Some of you are still having difficulty getting started. Here are a couple suggestions. If the angels appear unfriendly or you see darkness this is because of inner doubts. You know your own sincerity. If you are pretty sure of it see the faces of list members in places of the angels. See Rick and Glenys, or John and Anni (or others). They are bound to look upon you with a smile and if they can do this then the angels will also. If you have a difficult time visualizing start with your empty room with four glowing walls. That's easy to see. Then move forward in the medi6ation and as you improve move backward until you see the whole visualization from beginning to end. And remember imagination is as great a gift as visualization. If you are not a good visualizer start with the room and as you pour energy into things imagined they will take form in the higher world and eventually you can see then through visualization. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6586 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Spiritual Link CHAPTER TWENTY-FOUR THE SPIRITUAL LINK In the days of Jesus the spiritual link was made at His baptism. John the Baptist stated several times that he did not know who the Christ was, even though Jesus was his cousin. On one occasion he was told how to recognize Him: "And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see THE SPIRIT descending, and REMAINING ON HIM, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw and bare record that this is the Son of God." John 1:33-34 Who was it that John called the Son of God? Most assume it was Jesus, but there is another entity involved here. This was the Spirit that descended and remained in Him. Was this the real Son of God? While it is true that we are all sons of God, we also know that the Spirit that descended upon Jesus was a special entity. This is the person who is the Master of the Christ Energy for this planet. It is true that the Christ Energy is in us all, but on each planet there is one person who is the purest representative of that energy. He is given the official title of "The Christ." This is the person who entered into the body of Jesus and was Melchizedek and also Krishna in a previous time. The disciple Jesus was Joshua in the days of Moses. Therefore, after the baptism and the connection was made, two entities shared one body: There was Jesus, a son of Man and a member of humanity, and also the Christ, the unborn, an active member and leader of the Hierarchical Molecule. Jesus often referred to this higher entity as his Father. His disciples misunderstood and thought he was referring to God in the normal sense. Nevertheless, the understanding of the principle of divine possession, of two entities in one body helps us to understand some of the more ambiguous statements of Jesus For instance: "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF: BUT THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOTH THE WORKS." John 14:7-10 Jesus made many references like this, but the disciples were slow to understand exactly where or who the Father was. Jesus even went so far as to promise that the disciples could have the same experience of divine possession that he had: "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM." John 14:23 This prophecy was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost. The Molecular energy manifested, and the apostles felt the presence of the Hierarchical entities merging with them, thus giving them the spiritual energy which had been long lost from the earth. One of the more interesting references that Jesus made to the Molecular connection is as follows: "I am the vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. AS THE BRANCH CANNOT BEAR FRUIT OF ITSELF, EXCEPT IT ABIDE IN THE VINE; NO MORE CAN YE, EXCEPT YE ABIDE IN ME. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered' and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. " John 15:1-7 A tree or a vine is an excellent illustration of the Molecular Principle. The fluid in the tree corresponds to the spiritual energy of the Molecule. The vines and branches are like the tributaries of that energy. Jesus said that for a branch to bear fruit, or to even continue to have life, it must be connected to the vine, and that he was the vine, or the source of the spiritual energy for this planet. If the branch is severed from the vine, it receives no fluid, life. It then withers and dies and is good for nothing except to be gathered and burned. What kind of life was he referring to here? Virtually none of humanity are connected to the Vine, or the Molecular Order at the present, yet humans definitely are alive. We must bear in mind that Jesus was referring to a much greater life, a life source which is eternal with no limitations and a fullness of joy. This is a life so great by comparison to what we have now that to one experiencing the greater life, what we have now would be considered death. Examining nature provides us with an understanding of this principle. When a branch is severed from a tree it does not immediately die, but still looks healthy and normal for a short period of time. However, it only takes a short time before it withers and looks deathly in comparison to the connected branches. Long after the severed branch is dried and burned is the connected branch still alive and well. We are all severed branches from the Vine of God. We may appear to be alive and well, but it only takes a few years before the signs of death and disease become apparent. If we are connected to the True Vine, we then have an eternal supply of life energy and eventually even death is overcome. The Vine that was established on the earth in the period of Jesus was rejected by humanity. They chose death instead of life. But now we are approaching a new era, an age wherein the Molecular Order will again be established on the earth and eventually accepted, and will cause a transformation of the entire planet. The first step in this process is to create an actual Molecule in a correct state of balance. When this is then done, and possibly even before, a member of the Hierarchical Molecule will descend into one of the bodies of a member of the Order. Thus, we will again have a body on the earth possessed by two kindred spirits that will link humanity up to the spiritual flow from the presence of God. If the Molecule is then at a point of oneness, the divine energy that is carried into the body of the disciple by the Hierarchical member will circle around and flow through the bodies of the rest of the members and they will be instantly translated from the Kingdom of Man to the Kingdom of God. This will be a time of tremendous rejoicing in the spiritual spheres, for it will be a time of the creation of true spiritual life on the earth, which will lead man back to his true inheritance. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6587 From: Sharon Jorgenson Subject: The Knights of Camelot To interested Keysters, On Wednesday, September 8, at 7PM CST on the History channel will air The Knights of Camelot. The blurb in my ONSat reads: King Arthur, Merlin, Lancelot, Guinevere, and the Knights of the Round Table -- are they figures from fanciful fable or portraits from a pagan past? Travel back to early England and Wales to unravel the Arthurian legend and learn why the yearning for Camelot and chivalry survives. I would record it if I had the capability, perhaps someone else does. SharonJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6588 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: The Knights of Camelot Hi Sharon J, So interesting that I was just inquiring about resources for information regarding Camelot, and then suddenly the History Channel comes through. Thanks much for sharing this. If I still have a place to live on Sept. 8, I will surely try to watch. Thanks Again, Blessings, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6589 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: The Knights of Camelot That sounds like an interesting program. I think I have the History Channel. I could record it, but my tape isn't going to help anyone else. ;) Unless you're suggesting we "share". Probably a copyright violation... FYI. Travis Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6590 From: Laura Subject: Walden and Previous messages of the Keys Hi all, I lost my book! :) I was reading a book on the Feminine Spirit of Healing (In the House of the Moon), and I must have left it at our booth in the flea market this past weekend. I can't ride the bus comfortably unless I'm reading something (I'm a bit of a bookworm), so I looked through my little library and picked up a book I haven't touched in over 5 years (and never read all the way through) - Walden. For those of you not familiar with Walden and its concept, here's quick overview: Henry David Thoreau is the author of this book and wrote the majority of it while he lived (without modern creature comforts) in a shack that he built himself next to Walden Pond. During his sabbatical there, he wrote about modern times (I believe this was written from 1845-1847) as they were applicable to him and about the lives of those around them. As I read this, really for the first time, I began to pick up parts of his writings that are very pertinent to this list. A lot of it has nothing to do with the keys, but take a look at some of the following quotes from just the first 10 pages of the book: * Most men, even in this comparatively free country, through mere ignorance and mistake, are so occupied with the fatitious cares and superfluously coarse labors of life that its finer fruits cannot be plucked by them.My notes: This, I think has a lot to do with the illusions perpetrated by the beast and the dark brotherhood that if you work hard and constantly and dedicate yourself, you'll have a 'good' life. Thinking too much, going off the beaten path, taking the 'road not taken' is not acceptable and is not done by most men. * Public opinion is a weak tyrant compared with our own private opinion. What a man thinks of himself, that it is which determines, or rather indicates, his fate.My notes: Seems that Thoreau saw and recognized the Beast for what it is - a powerful entity that has no power but which we (as a whole) give it. Is is our individual Decision and Will that carry the real weight. * It is never too late to give up our prejudices. No way of thinking or doing, however ancient, can be trusted without proof. What everybody echoes or in silence passes by as true today may turn out to be falsehood tomorrow... * Old deeds for old people, and new deeds for new. * When one man has reduced a fact of the imagination to be a fact to his understanding, I foresee that all men will at length establish their lives on that basis. And perhaps my favorite quote from Thoreau (so far), relating the habit of men to do as they are told without thinking, labor without thought.. * (Speaking of the myth of Deucalion and Pyrrha, who created men by throwing stones over their heads behind them, in accordance to an oracle) "So much for blind obedience to a blundering oracle, throwing the stones over their heads behind them, and not seeing where they fell." Okay, so besides pointing out this wonderful book, I do have a question, which is this: JJ has said that the word and the keys have been attempted to be presented in the past. If so, were there books regarding these keys? If so, what were they? Authors/titles? I'd like to look these up, if possible. -Laura Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6591 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: Welcome & Thanks OT Welcome Marquita, what a beautiful name, so loking forward to getting to know you better, The energy and love from this group will filll you more than you can imagine. Glad you found your way home. BTW great posts Keith, thank you. love to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6592 From: J J Dewey Subject: More on Thoreau (OT) Laura, You and some others may be interested in this article from today's paper. Interesting timing. Thoreau Manuscript Being Published By Hillel Italie Associated Press Writer Tuesday, September 7, 1999; 2:03 a.m. EDT NEW YORK (AP) -- In the summer of 1850, Henry David Thoreau was sharing a house with his parents and wondering what to do. He had completed his second book, the now-classic ``Walden,'' but had no idea how to follow it. ``I feel ripe for something, yet do nothing,'' he wrote in his journal. Having started a surveying business, he chose to ponder the ``rich and fertile mystery'' of the wildlife around Concord, Mass. He spent the last decade of his life compiling data, apparently for a comprehensive natural history of Concord. Now a section of that unfinished project, ``Wild Fruits,'' will soon be available for the first time, nearly 140 years after the author's death. The book is being published this fall by W.W. Norton. ``Prior to 1851, Thoreau was writing about himself in nature,'' said the book's editor, Bradley Dean. ``With `Wild Fruits,' he seems to be getting out of the way. He writes about nature itself.'' Dean also edited another portion of Thoreau's project, ``Faith in a Seed,'' which was published a few years ago. Because Thoreau has long been celebrated as one of the greatest American thinkers and prose stylists, it seems unthinkable that even fragments of Thoreau's work took so long to be published. At its best, the writing in ``Wild Fruits'' is clearly comparable to his more famous books. And Thoreau remains highly influential among writers and environmentalists. ``Thoreau is the most compelling among classic American writers in spelling out man's relation to the environment,'' said Dean, who has taught at several universities and now works at the Thoreau Institute in Lincoln, Mass., less than a mile from Walden Pond. Thoreau was just 44 when he died of tuberculosis in 1862, passing away in the front parlor of his family home. Shortly before his death, he had wrapped the manuscript for ``Wild Fruits'' in heavy paper, tied string around it and placed it in a wooden chest, where he kept thousands of pages from other projects. But it took decades for his works to be stored safely, in the New York Public Library. By then, the wooden box had vanished and the pages were scattered. And even in mint condition, Thoreau's handwriting was virtually illegible. "I started reading his manuscripts back in the late 1970s," Dean said. I was reading manuscripts of works that had been published. I would come across a word I didn't know and compare it to the published text. You do that a thousand times and after a while you become an expert.'' In gathering material for ``Wild Fruits'' and other later books, Thoreau explored the nearby woods and swamps. He would walk miles just to watch the changes in a plant. ``We are surrounded by a rich and fertile mystery,'' he noted. ``May we not probe it, pry into it, employ ourselves about it -- a little?'' Much of ``Wild Fruits'' is a catalogue of Thoreau's observations. Each plant or fruit has its own entry. He offered poetic descriptions of the elm tree (``we owe to it the first deepening of the shadows in our streets''), the dandelion (``that little seedy spherical system'') and the strawberry (``better call it by the Indian name of heart-berry, for it is indeed a crimson heart''). A famous believer in Transcendentalism, which worshipped nature as divine, Thoreau attacked commercialism and status-seeking and other forms of materialism. In ``Wild Fruits,'' he cited the difference between buying fruit and gathering it yourself. ``It is a grand fact that you cannot make the fairer fruits or parts of fruits matter of commerce,'' he wrote. ``You cannot buy the pleasure which it yields to him who truly plucks it.'' Dean said additional papers remain to be transcribed, including ``Moonlight,'' a volume inspired by Thoreau's nighttime walks. Influenced by the then-recent publication of Charles Darwin's writings, Thoreau apparently was trying to apply the theory of natural selection to his own work. ``He wanted to get his mind around the entire phenomenon of Concord,'' Dean said. ``He wanted to know it scientifically, historically, aesthetically. He was trying to compile the natural history of Concord, which nobody had tried anything like before.'' Copyright 1999 The Associated Press Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6593 From: Marylin Subject: Re: The Spiritual Link "If the branch is severed from the vine, it receives no fluid, life. It then withers and dies and is good for nothing except to be gathered and burned. What kind of life was he referring to here? Virtually none of humanity are connected to the Vine, or the Molecular Order at the present, yet humans definitely are alive. We must bear in mind that Jesus was referring to a much greater life, a life source which is eternal with no limitations and a fullness of joy. This is a life so great by comparison to what we have now that to one experiencing the greater life, what we have now would be considered death. J J" Hi JJ and everyone This paragraph brought to mind my most favorite chapter in whole bible: from the 51st Psalm: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. David must have understood the concept of what Jesus taught. It certainly seems so. We are all severed branches from the Vine of God. We may appear to be alive and well, but it only takes a few years before the signs of death and disease become apparent. If we are connected to the True Vine, we then have an eternal supply of life energy and eventually even death is overcome. And here is the reason why we all have felt, at one time or another, an emptiness and loneliness; Thus, we will again have a body on the earth possessed by two kindred spirits that will link humanity up to the spiritual flow from the presence of God. If the Molecule is then at a point of oneness, the divine energy that is carried into the body of the disciple by the Hierarchical member will circle around and flow through the bodies of the rest of the members and they will be instantly translated from the Kingdom of Man to the Kingdom of God. This will be a time of tremendous rejoicing in the spiritual spheres, for it will be a time of the creation of true spiritual life on the earth, which will lead man back to his true inheritance. And this is the prophesied Second Coming that people have looked forward to and anticipated for hundreds and hundreds of years. I first learned about the Second Coming when I was around 8 yrs. of age from another girl my age. I instinctively knew she was telling the truth and all I could think of for several minutes was, "Ooooh! I want to see Him!" I was absolutely thrilled and still am. Now I wonder if I am acting and reacting in alignment with our Father. This is where I hope intent counts being as hope is the essence of faith. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6594 From: Sylvia Miller Subject: Re JJ answering questions Dear JJ and friends, Ok, it seems that I need to ask a specific question to get a specific answer. JJ, what are angels and what is their purpose incarnated? Are they to have a direct hand in progress, or are they cattle-prodders to catalize others towards evolution and progress? All elaboration much appreciated!! Blessings, Sylvia Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6595 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Re JJ answering questions - more questions Hi JJ and everyone I also have a question about people addicted to drugs and alcohol. Is it just possible that, even in these millennium times, that they incarnated at this time for the purpose of experiencing such addictions? Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6596 From: Anni Ida West Subject: Greetings and promoting page Hi Susi and all, So happy to see you back, Susi. I have been thinking about you several times. Good to see the family returning home. It is also great to see so many new members - a warm welcome to all of you. If any of you feel the urge to do something to help JJ promote "The Immortal" you might get inspired about what to do here: www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Terrace/2242 By the way: Has Art Bell returned with his program after the summer? Maybe now is the time to fax him (fax no. 775-727-8499)! Rick: Hope all went well today. So sorry to hear about Robin - Love and light is being sent from here! Love and light to all of you Anni Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6597 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: RICK OT Darlin' Rick, know that you are being held in deepest love today, our light surrounds you to be used as you choose to use it. blessings, sharon & rich Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6598 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: N. J. Meditation Greetings to All, Yes please Samu, and thank you for your loving thoughts for Robin as well...and to Sharon as well for off-line brilliance regarding Robin Bryant.. I have sent all your lovely messages on to her.. and Susi, really enjoyed your post, and hello to Keith, what a great post too. The richness seems to have developed on the list in my absence! JJ just loved the post on Thoreau and will endeavor to get these books, especially 'I feel ripe for something, yet do nothing'! And also you post: I will know we have enough for the first molecule when I count them up and I number twelve totally committed male/female units that can see eye to eye in the soul and touch the Spirit as one life. All who desire to create Molecules are welcome to step forward. If you are ready your spiritual endowment will come. If not the path to follow lies before you to tread. If you are pure in heart you will always have your next step revealed if you do not step backwards. In reading the archives I notice many have 'stepped forward' in many different ways. Since I am married, and my husband and I have as our goal becoming one in union with the Father, I consider him my partner. At this time he is reluctant to join in as he feels committed heavily into providing for our family, and feels his plate is full with the focus we share in daily. He has given his blessing for me to follow my heart at this time. I would therefore offer myself in support where ever and however best suited in creating working molecules. This could just be holding the light and love and energy required to build this magnificent creation, or perhaps a temporary position working with another might offer itself, since it has been indicated that initially roles and positions may change etc. Is there a way in which I may assist all in this endeavor? In love and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6599 From: "Caramel" Subject: Re: Welcome Thanks. Caramel Rick Audette writes: "Warmest welcomes to Marquita, Cindy, Keith, Caramel and a host of other newcomers and first time posters." Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-07/6600 From: "Marquita Harris" Subject: Fw: Hierarchical Numbers HI, In response to Cindy's question re: The number of particles in the Ancient of Days Molecule, and the Molecule of the Christ-- I wonder if the following could be a reason. Maybe the Solar Logos has twelve surrounding Him (really 24) because that is the number of elders seated around the Throne. The Ancient of Days being Sanat Kumara has six others around Him because He came in with six other Kumaras. The Christ has twelve because that was the number of disciples that He had. I don't know, but I am having fun pondering this. Marquita Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-11/6701 From: Laura Subject: Re: The Gathering I'm going to agree with Marylin on this one. It seems to me that the Molecule will first be formed in the spiritual plane in NJ, and later when the stars are right (*grin*) perhaps the main molecule and the fringe molecules will get a chance to combine their physical and spiritual power in each other's physical presence. I anxiously await that time. I think that very good things are going to happen when that comes to pass. -Laura Marylin writes: "It seems like you are talking about a physical molecule. I had been thinking of the forming of molecules in our group as being in the non-physical. Since we are spread all over the world, that seems to be the only way we could form a molecule." Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-11/6702 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: OT The Third Eye Marylin says, "And I wasn't even on Rick's list of who has sent the most posts in the last 7 weeks or so. He still doesn't know how talkative I am." Oh, I've got your number girl. That list was the totals for the FIRST seven weeks of the existence of the group. You joined us on week 16 and have been a regular feature since. I check my mail first thing each morning and you are almost always there. You are like sunshine, always there to start my day. Love, Rick PS: on week 8 Xavier shot all the way up into the top 10 -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com A smile is a curved line that sets things straight. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-11/6703 From: Sylvia Miller Subject: Re: OT The Third Eye Hmmm, I don't know if I'll ever make the top 10 list, I prefer to go for quality rather than quantity! LOL Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-11/6704 From: Paul Yu Subject: Re: (OT) Differences Zia writes: "And this is not just soul contact, but total acceptance of soul direction and soul life. I have also felt that the 'atom' occurs on many levels. Soul in union with the personality perhaps forming one atom, the spirit reuniting with the soul, another atom thus perhaps those two forming a molecule, and then in that union state, forming an atom with male/female is a natural progression into the physical and finally linking into molecules the further progression. Your thoughts and others of course on this would be appreciated." Hi Zia, You have been extremely kind to me. I truly appreciate it. I agree with you on the strategic importance of the foundational structure of the individual. What is of the immediate relevancy has to do with the personality-soul relationship. No molecules are to be considered healthy unless the component atoms are healthy. What makes molecules as well as atoms healthy is the vitality or life force of the atom of soul-personality. The more life force flows through the spirit to the soul and then the personality the healthier the atom would be. The stream of vitality or vitalizing energy animates the structure of the atom. It's the energy that makes the machine work. The flow of life force is ultimately dependent upon the receptive quality of the personality in facing the challenges coming from itself. The more receptive the personality is the more energy it would receive through the soul and at the same time the more solid the structure of the atom would be. Evocation of the spiritual will is crucial; reorientation of personality life to soul life is pivotal; self- receptivity of the personality is necessary. Manipulation of psychic forces in terms of the above- mentioned threefold endeavour would surely result in healthy atoms in the structure of molecules. Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6705 From: Xavier Subject: Re: (OT) Differences Paul Yu writes: "You are right in allowing the reaction to run its course of which as a part you act like a lion. It is good in that the emotional forces are released this way. But the unbalanced forces of reaction didn't thereby get neutralized and balanced, and consequently the personality is not moving closer to the soul." Yes they did, and yes it did!!! That's the point i wish to make. "Harmony through conflict". Some higher peaces can only be reached through conflict, JJ added on a past post. When I consciously accept to enter conflict (duality at its height, and *assumed*), I do it because my past experiences told me that withdrawing from it was usually done out of hidden cowardice. "Don't mistake cowardice for highness of your soul" is something life taught me. This all teaches me to be courageous, and fearless, or rather, not to let my fears prevent me to stand for what I am bound to stand for. It is conflict, but it does enhance my soul consciousness, by freeing my personality from its bonds of fear and lack of expression of its true nature and motives. It makes me reach peace, and the interesting part, is that when i was more into fear than now, some things seemed to prove this fear was right: bad results, although they did not overweigh the good ones. I guess that it was my fears that produced them, amidst conflict: I attacked the person in front, rather than only fighting for rights. "Peace of the personality is not what I am looking for. I go for serenity from the soul. Serenity can only result from alignment of personality with the soul." Yep, and this alignment may demand conflict! ;-) For a past slave, you might say:-) The soul can't be at ease in a fearful personality, that sabotages all opportunities of love and service. "Intrepidity" is the word of Morya about it. The main point here, is that the soul, person (and inner observer?) all need duality, assumed duality, to progress and better the alignment and perfection, thus oneness. I guess this may be done without getting into dense emotions, BUT there are (always?) hidden ones that remain on obstacle to higher light. Only an exteriorization of them through unselfish conflict (i like that term) can do it. "Personality is yin or receptive vis-a-vis soul which is yang or active. When aligned with the soul the personality becomes stronger than it could ever be all by itself." Of course, I'm not talking into conflict for selfish purpose. BTW, standing for your rights is not always selfish, though nowadays I enter more conflict for other's rights than mine, apparently. I feel like saying, standing for rights is never selfish, when it is really for rights. "If the personality is strong by its own assertion the soul cannot act on it to sublimate it." Real? I wonder. Is a strong personality always reluctant and resistant to soul? Always tricking, and using soul selfishly? "You are right what I do is good for soul life, and that is the only thing I am interested in." We are both right then, you just are turned towards something else, our aims are complementary. I'm not into a time of turning towards formless soul. "So much so that my personality life is so ordained as to be oriented to the life of the soul." Hmm that must be it;-) Mine is NOT!! lol Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6706 From: Xavier Subject: OT elizabeth haich Brian wrote: "now that you mention two eyes, reminds me of a book, where these 2 eyes appearing and somewhat staying are the ones of her spiritual master. (elizabeth haich, "initiation")" "I almost jumped when I read this...but that is only because I thought it you were talking about Elizabeth JENKINS, who also wrote a book called "Initiation". I spent two weeks with her and her teacher in Peru back in 1996." Well you never know. She's introduced as an old lady, though. She's into some yoga, what's its name? Raja? She kind of opened a school. The book is written by a student, about her life. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6707 From: Marylin Subject: Re: The Wave Keith wrote: "My initial experience with the 'wave' is described in message week 36/2313." Thanx much Keith. I will go in and reread it. Love, Light, Peace and harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6708 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Please allow me to introduce myself... Sylvia Miller writes: "I don't know what my life's mission is, but I do know that I have a thirst for Truth, and I enjoy helping people empower themselves. (Aquarius rising) I've enjoyed many of the posts here and I especially like the "Twelve Fruits" conversation. I'm happy to be a part of this, and thank you all for your light." Hi Sylvia It's really great to have you at the table. This is a most wonderful place to be, with much to learn and reflect upon, to make soul contact and....what am I saying .... you already know this. Have a chair and enjoy the fruit. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6709 From: Marylin Subject: Re: OT The Third Eye Rick writes: "Oh, I've got your number girl. That list was the totals for the FIRST seven weeks of the existence of the group. You joined us on week 16 and have been a regular feature since. I check my mail first thing each morning and you are almost always there. You are like sunshine, always there to start my day." Thank you for the lovely compliment. I really enjoy all of your posts also and have missed them when you couldn't be on line. It looks like my "higher self" blinded me when I was typing that post. I didn't realize I was posting to the list itself. I thought I was talking with Sharon and I "goofed, stuck my foot in my mouth, failed to engage brain before releasing clutch". Isn't life wonderful? LOL Humbling myself.. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6710 From: Paul Yu Subject: Re: (OT) Differences Xavier writes: "This all teaches me to be courageous, and fearless, or rather, not to let my fears prevent me to stand for what I am bound to stand for. It is conflict, but it does enhance my soul consciousness, by freeing my personality from its bonds of fear and lack of expression of its true nature and motives." There are two kinds of courage to fight fears. One is courage of the personality which relies on its own will to face threats. The fears in this case do hide away or turn into something else but not neutralized. The other is courage of the soul which is an expression of the energy of love. Oddly enough it is the receiving aspect and not the giving aspect of love that is used as the courage. When the personality accepts with the soul's energy of love any emotional reaction to conceived threats the operative forces of the fears will definitely be neutralized. Whenever fears are felt to have lessened it was undoubtedly the result of the work of the soul's receptive energy. It goes without saying that the personality has to cooperate with the soul to enjoy such results. Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6711 From: "* Zia" Subject: Re: (OT) Differences Greetings to All, Paul Yu writes: "I agree with you on the strategic importance of the foundational structure of the individual. What is of the immediate relevancy has to do with the personality-soul relationship. No molecules are to be considered healthy unless the component atoms are healthy. What makes molecules as well as atoms healthy is the vitality or life force of the atom of soul-personality." This is again so well said. This explains why the molecule of Christ failed with Judas... there were unresolved personality issues, thus the component atoms in total were not healthy. Your explanation here is a very clear picture and motivation for striving for that healthy atom of soul- personality. "The more life force flows through the spirit to the soul and then the personality the healthier the atom would be. The stream of vitality or vitalizing energy animates the structure of the atom. It's the energy that makes the machine work." "The flow of life force is ultimately dependent upon the receptive quality of the personality in facing the challenges coming from itself. The more receptive the personality is the more energy it would receive through the soul and at the same time the more solid the structure of the atom would be." Hence all knowledge gained to understand the effects of the personality choices, is simply to empower the personality to make the choice for soul connection, soul life direction. Once soul connection is made, the personality is the happy observer to the effects of soul direction, and the cleansing releasing power of the soul-love to dissolve the 'challenges of the personality' namely the fear and the conflicts resulting from acting from the fear base, until the personality steps aside in a sense so that the soul-love can illuminate and eliminate the fear-based obstacles. In your description of the two types of courage, this becomes very clear, and reinforces my understanding that to identify with my soul, rather than the personality, is like turning the other cheek (and identifying with the soul rather than the personality), the personality will react from the fear base, the soul will illuminate and eliminate from love base. For me sometimes this must be done in a state of 'retreat', having my personality retreat and turn inward and through observation allow my soul to give me the illumination and its understanding, and thus its elimination in the healing balm of love. This does certainly require courage, as in the process of observing more 'events' may be drawn in order to gain understanding and clarification before completion. I see therefore the practice of uniting in an atom and a molecule and the holding of the ultimate goal in that regard, as wonderful practice and a catalyst to draw events to be cleared in the purification of the atom and subsequently the molecule. With the ever increasing presence of the Christ energies, purification and evolution of the molecule would be enhanced. "Evocation of the spiritual will is crucial; reorientation of personality life to soul life is pivotal; self- receptivity of the personality is necessary. Manipulation of psychic forces in terms of the above- mentioned threefold endeavour would surely result in healthy atoms in the structure of molecules." This is so simply said Paul and clear. It's practice would automatically create the pure atom, and draw to that atom, like atoms naturally forming a very powerful molecule. Thank you for your insightful sharing. In love and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6712 From: J J Dewey Subject: Oneness Through Fire Marylin asks about the cold drafts her son feels. Obviously your son has a sensitive astral body and probably picks up positive as well as negative essences. The fact that he felt cool in the hot sun, but felt no threat or fear could be a sign that his grandfather was merely bringing him relief from the heat. It could also mean that the grandfather did not have as radiant love as was supposed. A third possibility is that a deceptive astral spirit is playing with him. Standard psychism is not my gift. My mission is around the revelation of principles. A good psychic may be able to help you here, but she may also be deceived if a deceptive spirit is at work. This must always be kept in mind. If you are concerned about the boy and want to give his name to the group we can all say the Song and will the light and love to descend upon him. This will release him from negative influence as long as such is also within his own will. Keith Writes: "When my wife (Maria) meditates she always sees this eye ball looking back at her. This eyeball never goes away. Even if she just shuts her eyes while not meditating it remains. Would you please elaborate on the significance of seeing this eye ball continually." Usually symbols like this given to the seeker are for the benefit of the seeker and growth is achieved by the receiving finding the meaning as it applied to him or her. When you mention one eye the thought of the all seeing eye of God comes to my mind. This rests on the top of the New Jerusalem. It is a possible invitation for her to come inside. The two eyes could symbolize her brothers and sisters upon the path. When you have an unknown symbol like this occur you also want to ask yourself how you felt when you received it. Did you feel peaceful, loving, good? Then the chances are it is from the side of love and light. Did you feel negative, fearful and darkness. Then perhaps a Dark Brother is attempting to deceive you. Keith also asks:" During my meditations I sometimes experience watery or tearful eyes. This usually occurs when the flow of energy is at its peak. I neglected to mention that on my last post about the 'wave'. I wonder if anyone else has experienced this?" Jesus compared one who feels the Spirit to the feel of the wind: John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. As you enter the world of oneness in the Spirit it will seem to come and go like the wind and when it does sweep over your spirit (like a wave as you aptly express it) you will feel like weeping with joy. Now in the normal emotional realm I have to have some overwhelming occurrence to cause me to shed tears, but when the higher feelings of the Spirit come and I sense the wave I immediately feel the tears of joy coming and I have no desire to hold back as I often do in the with regular emotional response. Many people who have not felt this, tell of some of their experiences and think they are the highest possible, but they do not realize there is yet a giant leap in feelings in front of them. One who has felt what I call the New Jerusalem feeling will have a sense of oneness and brotherhood with others who have felt it and those who have not yet had this baptism of fire, yet think they have, will never be able to adequately describe it. A definite ingredient to the experience is an overwhelming feeling of joy that brings tears that the strongest of hearts cannot hold back. This spiritual fire is usually given to you as a witness to some truth that you are supposed to register and incorporate into your life or mission. It gives you a surety that you are headed the right direction. Oneness in the molecule will be achieved not trough teaching, argument and reason alone. It is true that when there are disagreements we must do all that we can on our own first to reach union, but then when all that is possible has been done through regular communication the group must seek conformation from the Holy Spirit. Higher confirmation that leads to oneness comes in two ways. (1) The Still Small Voice. In a molecular group the Still Small Voice speaks the same message of truth to all as if they are one life. On an individual basis a person not familiar with the true Voice may think he hears it when he is really hearing reflections of his own thoughts, but when the Voice is finally registered for what it is there can be no deception as long as the mind is held steady in the light. If the person slips away from the light he can again be deceived by his lower desires and thoughts. In a molecule a sure sign that all have heard the voice will be that all hear the same thing at the same instant and interpret it the same way. (2) The fire of the Spirit. This is briefly mentioned in the scriptures: Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: There is a spiritual fire that is transmitted by the Christ to His disciples and on important occasions He will send the fire to the group as an undeniable confirmation of the path to take. Sometimes when you hear the Still Small Voice it is so still and so small that you wonder if you are imagining things, at least in the beginning. But when the fire is sent from Christ to an individual or a Molecule there is no questioning the validity because it is a very powerful experience. This can only happen to a molecule or group when they are already listening to the voice of the soul. If one person is out of alignment the group life cannot receive the fire. In the case of the Apostles at Pentecost the alignment was so correct that a visible fire occurred. Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. What the Bible does not say is that they were seated male/female and twin flames came from each male and female and joined into one flame. This extraordinary charge of fire was sent because this was the initiation of the molecule after Matthias replaced Judas. It was a sure witness to them of the path and that the power of greater life (life more abundant) was manifest again. Group oneness in the Spirit is very difficult to not only achieve but to maintain. The danger is that one or two will slip back down in consciousness to the personality and buy into ideas planted in his lower mind that are at odds with the group. Then when others who are in harmony with the Spirit try and correct him he will feel as they are trying to control him and take away his individuality. Then his ego rises in power and blocks his communication with the Spirit by telling him the ego is the Spirit. Then this person believes he has the higher contact and all the others are off base. This situation can only be corrected by the wayward one becoming open to the possibility he is wrong and once open to the possibility seek the real truth. Then when the group seeks an answer with all members being open to all possibilities the correction will come. Generally through, once the person settles down into the ego he is so sure he is right that he will refuse to seek higher confirmation. Thus we see the importance of all members in the Molecule staying in the spirit. If the leader is in the spirit then he can recognize when a member is drifting away from the light and attempt to help him back. If he cannot come back he must be replaced to insure the life of the body. By the way, I enjoyed Susi's words (quoted below). Did you write them or get then from some sage? If God were strict and ridged, would not the trees grow straight and tall, would not the rivers cease to meander, and would we ever have discovered a circle? God is curious as the child, playful as the puppy, sneaky as the snake, moody as all the moons of Saturn, but most importantly my most honest and true friend, my beloved. Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6713 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT The Third Eye Thank you Xaiver, you have gotten me very curious, so i'll have to go find that book. Now if i can just remember the name...(hint) Do you notice how often i start my posts with thank you... whomever? You are all so important in my life and in my becoming and so very appreciated. BTW Suzi, let me join with Zia in voting for your questionnaire for background on the group. This could be very "eye"opening (pun-groan!) love to all, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6714 From: Sharon and Richard Subject: OT The Third Eye Editor's Note: Repeat post of 6713 Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6715 From: Lynne Giles Subject: Re: (OT) Differences Hello all Coming out of lurk mode for a few moments at least. I am following these various "threads" with great interest. Especially about facing one's fears. Not being able to face those "fears" in my life- both those caused by "outside forces" and those caused /aggravated by my own internalized fears, not really expressing it very well but trying to anyways. Some of this is making sense to me, yet some I am not able to understand at this time. Great fuel for thought, digestion by the inner me.. I hope that all of you realize that this list has become a "safe" place for me. Zia, I am VERY happy that you are back. There was an empty spot that couldn't be filled but by you. I guess we all do have "connection" here. Meanwhile, back to the reflection, hopefully better understanding and such Lynne Post No. keys-l: /1999-09-12/6716 From: Susi Subject: many replies Hi All, So many kind words have come out of all of you that I am overwhelmed with blessings, Thank you to all of you:-) Zia and Anni, That is kind of you to think of me to be the interviewer. Remember that their are only 25 people who have indicated that they are willing to participate out of the 207 list members so I still do not feel assured through list or soul that it is the correct time for this. A few questions came to me just before dozing off last night and I wasn't even thinking about the list so I know there is something to this sharing of information/common threads/interview thing but I'm not sure just what yet. Please give me some time and if anyone else is interested by all means feel free to step forward as I stated I am extremely busy but there is always room for a wee bit more:-) Xavier, You are such a Lion but no matter how hard you try to roar I still feel you are just this big lounge kitty trying too hard not to be soft. I say this from my heart.......go on and ROAR, just don't bite us if we choose to scratch you behind the ears with affection now and then;-) JJ wrote: "By the way, I enjoyed Susi's words (quoted below). Did you write them or get them from some sage?" "If God were strict and ridged, would not the trees grow straight and tall, would not the rivers cease to meander, and would we ever have discovered a circle? God is curious as the child, playful as the puppy, sneaky as the snake, moody as all the moons of Saturn, but most importantly my most honest and true friend, my beloved." JJ, They are my own, but they are from Source the One who created all that exists or ever will. I must admit that after I wrote them "It" was proud of me and I felt joy in sharing them with everyone. A Sage??? LOL no just a little woman. Thank you JJ you made me blush ;-) Christopher, Please post to this list what your definition of the Then is in your If Questions. I want to share what you wrote but it is yours and I feel it should come from you if you are willing. Maybe repost the If Question with it. Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" 1379 Bourne Ridge Rd. Victor, MT 59875 (406) 961-3356 ph/fax Toll free 1-877-937-7246