Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6065
From: "Christopher Wynter"
Subject: Believing ...
***
Situations sometimes have a way of seeming impossible;
But things do have a way of working out --
If only we can keep on believing --
***
Believing in dreams, in what we really want;
and not settling for anything less
than what we know is right for us.
***
Believing in our strengths,
in the faith of our convictions;
in the courage to go on --
even when it would be so much easier to quit;
***
Believing in ourselves ...
in the people we are ...
and all we can be ...
***
Believing in life ... in love ...
in how much is offered ...
in how much we have to give ...

And how much life can be everything we want it to be
if only we can keep on believing ...
***
The time is now;
***
No other moment do we have to create tomorrows past.
***
We must be totally conscious of this moment,
for it is to become part of our memories;
***
And if we do our best,
so will all our memories be happy ones and free from regrets.
***
Of course, we can do it better now,
proving just how much we have learned.
***
You find what you look for.
***
There is a world that can be filled with love ...
filled with happiness ...
***
There is a world where you can celebrate The Wonder of Life.
***
Do you dare to begin to see
the Light, the Love,
the laughter, the joy?
**8
There is a bridge
the bridge across forever ...
the bridge over reality ...
***
Will you cross to explore a world
that has forgotten how to love?
***
Will you cross to reach out to a future
filled with love, joy, fun,
laughter and happiness?
**8
Can you love; can you allow miracles?
***
In this moment will you acknowledge your vastness -
***
Will you dare to dream, vision and create a brave new world
***
Filled with the real meaning of Love,
with it's infinite depth of feeling,
caring and respect, sharing and trust?
***
with respect
Christopher Wynter
Hobart Tasmania
wynter@bigpond.com

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6066
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: There cannot be levels in true meditation
HI Mel,
   I'd like to ask you if you've ever daydreamed? I would also suggest that if so, then you've 
"meditated". 
Diane

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6067
From: J J Dewey
Subject: Answers To Chris
   Chris, I'm glad to see you posting writings that seem to be written just for this list rather than 
sterile mass market variety. The postings made in response seem to be getting much more 
favorable as a result.
However, any comments you have made about my writings have been 100% in opposition and 
disagreement. I find it interesting that you and some others who are into the no polarity 
consciousness should become so extremely polarized always in opposition to my words. In 
attempting to rise above or balance the polarities one would think a seeker could find some 
positive as well as negative in my teachings.
   Now Zia often disagreed with me but was fair-minded enough to comment on my teachings that 
registered with her in a positive way.
   Paul and Rob already have made fine comments on your post on levels meditation, but I will try 
and add a few things here.
   Chris: "Meditation is the art of being everything and doing nothing ..."
   JJ: This is one of the many "objectives" possible in meditation, but only one.
   Chris: "From my own experience, to enter the formless is to move beyond my own awareness 
of heart beat, breath, sound, sight ... an observer commented how she perceived that I viewed 
the world through sightless eyes ... (yes ... they were open) and the scariest thing for me was the 
first few times I dissolved into this space, there was a reflex jerk from my body which brought me 
back ... because I became aware that I could not feel my breathing or my heart beat ... and so I 
moved beyond the body's fear of death ..."
   JJ: This experience does not prove you entered into the formless worlds. It sounds like you 
went to the astral which still has much form to view as you continued to "see".
   Chris: "True Meditation has no desired result ... to desire a result, one must ask what is the 
need, and who is the one in need (and thus lacking )"
   JJ: Are we talking about a dogmatic "one true meditation here?" I don't think most of the group 
will fall for this idea which you do not seem to believe in yourself for you said: "Meditation is the 
art of being everything and doing nothing .. ."
   It sounds like your objective in meditations is "being everything and doing nothing ..."
   That doesn't turn me on but if that is your personal objective it is fine with me. It sounds like you 
desire "not to be" rather than "to become."
   Chris: "If there is a result desired, the meditation is conditional ... and thus is deemed to be 
either successful or unsuccessful ... this is more correctly defined as mesmerism ... as it is 
conditional, polarities exist .... self judgment (success/failure) is the only outcome ..."
   JJ: This is a pretty far out statement. Hypnotism (or mesmerism as you call it here) is created 
through a dimming of the conscious mind allowing an outside agent to control the subject by 
direct suggestion to the subconscious which is now in control. In any meditation I do or teach 
consciousness and awareness is increased not decreased. This is the opposite of hypnosis. So 
far I do not know anyone who has hypnotized through postings on the internet because you have 
to use your conscious mind to read and register them.
   Chris: "Any meditation that is used to obtain an outcome is manipulation ... firstly of self ... and if 
the expectation is also of another person, then the manipulation is of the other also ... and the 
deeper knower of the individual will set up a Karmic reaction."
   JJ: You use the word manipulation as one would think of a used car salesman using immoral 
methods to sell a car to innocent victims. On the other hand, there is positive manipulation as well 
as negative.
   Do you have a job Chris? Do you make money? Then you have manipulated people and events 
so you have created a means of drawing money from other people so you can buy the computer 
you work on as well as all things we need for a happy life.
   Do you drive a car? Then you manipulate it through traffic and if some school kid gets in your 
way you try and manipulate him out of the way so he doesn't get run over.
   Manipulation where there is no deception or infringement of free will is not a bad thing. Rick and 
I (and others) have done a lot of manipulating to get people to join this list. We have not infringed 
on free will but have tried dangling the carrot of interesting teachings, interesting group, 
acceptance and love. I'd say that is a powerful manipulating force. It even manipulated you on to 
the list.
   To use meditation to manipulate forces, events and situations toward a good end is not a bad 
thing and any karma produced would be positive not negative.
   Chris: "True meditation cannot have any levels ..."
   JJ: In my last post I gave examples of four levels, but let's keep it simple with two samples.
   Jim meditates by letting his mind go blank and lets his consciousness diminish.
   Jack meditates on a seed thought and his consciousness is raised in awareness.
   Both of these levels have their purposes, but they are definitely two different levels, wouldn't 
you say?
   Level according to my use here is defined in my dictionary as "A natural or proper position, 
place, or stage."
   Chris: "Those who, because of unseen evolution beyond ego who feel they are not successful 
will judge that they are failures ... without understanding that there is a deeper meaning to their 
perceived lack of success ... maybe they have moved beyond the need for delusion."
   JJ: You seem to be saying that if we progress "beyond the need for delusion" that we will no 
longer attempt anything where success or failure can be the result.
   Well your goal in meditation according to your own words " being everything and doing nothing 
..." Many people who have this as a goal in meditation have failed at this objective so you seem 
to be unable to practice what you preach here.
   You have also been making posts in a variety of attempts to be "successful" at manipulating 
people toward your teachings - sometimes coming close to infringing on free will. In this you have 
had some success and some failures. My point is that even a highly evolved being such as 
yourself has not escaped the polarities and is subject to success and failure. If we cannot 
demonstrate the greater realities of no polarities then why spend a lot of time on what we cannot 
do? Let us begin with where we are on this great journey and the formless worlds will come along 
soon enough.
   Chris: "And so we enter the world of boundaries and separation as the continuum of awareness 
is cut up into little boxes which can be set as goals by which we can judge ourselves successful 
or failure."
   JJ: I judge myself as success or failure all the time and it works for me. It also worked for Jesus, 
Buddha, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchill and Bill Gates (90 Billion 
dollars worth for BG) and others.
   I would say that those who are unwilling to make such a judgement are deluded and will never 
have great success in the real world.
   Next Chris quotes the following from my writings: "The first is the physical. In this world we use 
the power of meditation through the power of paying Attention. This can be done through paying 
attention to a physical teacher, speaker or book, to gazing into a crystal ball or flame. As we 
meditate on the physical plane the mind and heart may be stimulated to bring forth images or 
ideas that will assist us. If nothing else meditation on the physical level will help focus us on the 
real that exists here so we do not turn into impractical dreamers."
   To which he replied:
   Chris: "In other words ... Self Hypnosis ... which is valid to a point if the only person involved is 
one's self ... meditation is not a practice ... it is a state of being ..."
   JJ: So you are saying that even reading a book can be hypnosis? Remember hypnosis is the 
diminishing of consciousness. Reading, active listening to a teacher or lecture will increase 
consciousness. There can be a little self hypnosis in looking into a flame or crystal ball however.
   Consciousness is a state of being. Meditation is a method of reaching various levels of being.
Chris: "The female .is generally, less open and receptive because of her inherent (unconscious) 
creative need"
   JJ: There are two energies in the universe. Giving energies that we call male and receiving 
energies that we have named female. I believe it would be difficult to argue this point.
   Chris: "Within my own groups and many others I have attended, I have found that initially it is 
easier for males to reach deeper levels of meditation more quickly than it is for females because 
they are less likely to be desirous of an outcome, Where an outcome is desired, the female is 
more easily mesmerized or self hypnotized than the male ..."
   JJ: My experience is that when a person has a desired outcome that he or she is much more 
difficult to hypnotize. I am a person who desires outcomes and I cannot be hypnotized and all 
others on my wavelength I know (on this outcome idea) cannot be hypnotized.
   Chris: "HOW can the formless have several levels ...???"
   JJ: Through a difference of vibration and different levels of the principle of identification.
Chris "Ideas belong to the Mind ..."
   JJ: The mind itself is an idea made manifest, but ideas still were in existence when there were 
no minds as we understand the term.
   Chris: "He who surrenders fully into the Self enters the formless worlds without 'seed thoughts' 
and without expectation."
   JJ: This is a possibility, but Chris was saying this in opposition to my statement that we plant 
seed thoughts in the formless worlds. Generally meditation without seed thoughts takes you to 
the astral world.
Chris: "Inspired ideas come unbidden from the formless ... to throw 'seed thoughts' into the 
formless is to place an expectation and thus make the surrender to the formless a form of ego 
manipulation."
   JJ: I have come up with a lot of ideas in my life, but none of them have come unbidden. 
Unexpected at times, but not unbidden. All the inspired ones have come from my planting seed 
thoughts in the formless worlds and expecting an answer which I always receive sooner or later. I 
do not consider this an ego manipulation.
   Chris: "Atman cannot be achieved through attention ..."
   JJ: Atman, the highest concept of self consciousness exists in the second formless world and 
without our putting attention on the path we will not get there let alone the realms below this.
   Let me finish by quoting a fine piece of poetry from Chris:
***
Will you cross to reach out to a future
filled with love, joy, fun,
laughter and happiness?
***
Can you love; can you allow miracles?
***
In this moment will you acknowledge your vastness -
***
Will you dare to dream, vision and create a brave new world
***
Filled with the real meaning of Love,
with it's infinite depth of feeling,
caring and respect, sharing and trust?"
***
   Fine words Chris. We invite you to join with us in a positive way in heading in this direction.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6068
From: "Christopher Wynter"
Subject: Reply to JJ.
   My only reply at this moment is that what I write comes from 54 years of meditation experience 
... following both western and eastern disciplines the last 10 leading groups in the science of 
meditation (in which I hold qualifications and 'teacher credentials' from a number of organisations)
   You do not have to believe what I say ... but until you have experienced what I have 
experienced ...
   You cannot judge my experience from your perspective ...
Christopher Wynter

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6069
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Reply to JJ.
   Did you not judge JJ's comments (which, I assume, are based on his experience) and provide a 
contrary view based on your own perspective?
   It is a pity that you chose not to answer JJ's points so we could all learn more about your 
perspective, Christopher. This approach is very typical of you. When someone has a different 
view from yours, you refuse to discuss the matter. I've tried a couple of times to engage you and 
I'm either ignored or receive a cryptic response. So I've given up because it's obvious that you 
don't want to be involved in an ongoing discussion if it's with someone who may have a contrary 
viewpoint.
   One can't help wondering why you're on this list and what you get out of it because you seem to 
disagree with most of the views that are expressed.
Love
Glenys
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
God is the lead dancer and the soul is the partner completely attuned to the rhythm and patterns 
set by the partner.
She does not lead, but neither does she hang limp like a sack of potatoes.
- Thomas Merton

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6070
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: OT- Friendship
FRIENDSHIP
I can't give solutions to all of life's problems, doubts, or fears, But I can listen to you, and together 
we will search for answers.
I can't change your past with all it's heartache and pain, nor the future with it's untold stories, But I 
can be there now when you need me to care.
I can't keep your feet from stumbling. I can only offer my hand that you may grasp it and not fall.
Your joys, triumphs, successes, and happiness are not mine; Yet I can share in your laughter.
Your decisions in life are not mine to make, not to judge; I can only support you, encourage you, 
and help you when you ask.
I can't prevent you from falling away from friendship, from your values, from me. I can only pray 
for you, talk to you and wait for you.
I can't give you boundaries which I have determined for you, But I can give you the room to 
change, room to grow, room to be yourself.
I can't keep your heart from breaking and hurting, But I can cry with you and help you pick up the 
pieces and put them back in place.
You are my friend...
--Author Unknown--
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Fall seven times, stand up eight.
- Japanese proverb

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6071
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: OT- Friendship
Thanks GLenys,
   It's very true of friendship. Rather like this family of ours on this list, doncha think?
Diane

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6072
From: "Chris"
Subject: Re: Reply to JJ. ... Glenys
   Glenys Lowery wrote: "Christopher Wynter wrote: "You do not have to believe what I say ... but 
until you have experienced what I have experienced ..."
   "How can anyone experience what someone else has experienced, Christopher?"
They cannot ... this response was to JJ "This experience does not prove you entered into the 
formless worlds. It sounds like you went to the astral which still has much form to view as you 
continued to "see"."
   I was talking about "From my own experience, to enter the formless is to move beyond my own 
awareness of heart beat, breath, sound, sight" ... where there was no awareness of anything .... 
so where did JJ come up with " as you continued to "see"."
   "You cannot judge my experience from your perspective ... Did you not judge JJ's comments 
(which, I assume, are based on his experience) and provide a contrary view based on your own 
perspective?"
   Can you tell me how you read judgement of what JJ said into my words?
"It is a pity that you chose not to answer JJ's points so we could all learn more about your 
perspective, Christopher."
   As soon as I get a moment, I will type up al alternative practice that I have used with great 
success to allow those who want to learn more of my perspective to experience it for them selves 
...
   "This approach is very typical of you. When someone has a different view from yours, you 
refuse to discuss the matter. I've tried a couple of times to engage you and I'm either ignored or 
receive a cryptic response. So I've given up because it's obvious that you don't want to be 
involved in an ongoing discussion if it's with someone who may have a contrary viewpoint."
   Not necessarily ... if I pose another possibility where before it may not have been seen that 
there is one ... then there is a choice presented where before there may not have been ...
   This is not about right or wrong ... thats an impossible pursuit ... its not about point scoring ... 
points do not do anyone else any good ... it's about spreading the boundaries of perspective ... by 
the way ... how was your meditation similar to the experience of Moses in the bible ... using 
symbolism and the perspective of the 20th century .... the story of Moses is, perhaps one of the 
pinnacles of Meditation ... you see ... I've already answered you and JJ ... not by telling you how it 
is, but by tossing in 'cryptic' comments designed so that you might arive at your own conclusions 
for yourself .... that way, your truth is your truth, not what someone has told you to believe ... and 
when it's your truth, you can't prove it to anyone ... but no-one can take it from you
   "One can't help wondering why you're on this list and what you get out of it because you seem 
to disagree with most of the views that are expressed."
   what is agreement and what is disagreement ...? that only happens in the sphere of judgment ... 
you see ... if I present an alternative ... or an expansion ... then the reader has a choice to accept 
or not ... this does not mean that I agree or disagree ... unless I say I do ... if someone reacts to 
what I write, that is not my reaction ... nor to I need to be affected by the reaction ... Its only when 
people react to the reaction of another that an argument develops ... and in an argument, deeper 
reactions and memories from the past are invoked ... and (often) projected on the other who is 
not seen as a mirror for something that has happened in the past but which has usually been 
forgotten ... but that's another story ...
   I will offer an alternative meditation which may lead to the realisation of 'the new (inner) 
Jerusalem' or the burning bush ... or Atman ... but which will definitely take all beyond the 
separation between male and female ... and into the 'space between the cells' of your own body 
... which is not subject to 'astral influences 
   By the way ... the astral plane only comes into play when you are meditating externally to self 
from emotional awareness ... and it can be difficult here to separate what is 'your's' and what is 
'astral garbage' (or other people's emotional projections)
   This is the level of much of what children see coming at them ... and the source of a lot of their 
fear ...
with respect
Christopher Wynter
Hobart Tasmania
wynter@bigpond.com

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6073
From: "Christopher Wynter"
Subject: Re: Reply to JJ. ... Glenys
   [I've sent this again because sometimes spiritweb bounces the other E-mail a/c I used on the 
previous ]
Glenys Lowery writes: "Christopher Wynter wrote: "You do not have to believe what I say ... but 
until you have experienced what I have experienced ..."
   "How can anyone experience what someone else has experienced, Christopher?"
   They cannot ... this response was to JJ "This experience does not prove you entered into the 
formless worlds. It sounds like you went to the astral which still has much form to view as you 
continued to "see"."
   I was talking about "From my own experience, to enter the formless is to move beyond my own 
awareness of heart beat, breath, sound, sight" ... where there was no awareness of anything .... 
so where did JJ come up with " as you continued to "see"." "
   "You cannot judge my experience from your perspective ..."
   "Did you not judge JJ's comments (which, I assume, are based on his experience) and provide 
a contrary view based on your own perspective?
   Can you tell me how you read judgment of what JJ said into my words?
   "It is a pity that you chose not to answer JJ's points so we could all learn more about your 
perspective, Christopher."
   As soon as I get a moment, I will type up al alternative practice that I have used with great 
success to allow those who want to learn more of my perspective to experience it for them selves 
...
   "This approach is very typical of you. When someone has a different view from yours, you 
refuse to discuss the matter. I've tried a couple of times to engage you and I'm either ignored or 
receive a cryptic response. So I've given up because it's obvious that you don't want to be 
involved in an ongoing discussion    if it's with someone who may have a contrary viewpoint."
   Not necessarily ... if I pose another possibility where before it may not have been seen that 
there is one ... then there is a choice presented where before there may not have been ...
   This is not about right or wrong ... that's an impossible pursuit ... its not about point scoring ... 
points do    not do anyone else any good ... it's about spreading the boundaries of perspective ...
by the way ... how was your meditation similar to the experience of Moses in the bible ... using 
symbolism and the perspective of the 20th century .... the story of Moses is, perhaps one of the 
pinnacles of Meditation 
   you see ... I've already answered you and JJ ... not by telling you how it is, but by tossing in 
'cryptic' comments designed so that you might arrive at your own conclusions for yourself .... that 
way, your truth is your truth, not what someone has told you to believe ... and when it's your truth, 
you can't prove it to anyone ... but no-one can take it from you ...
   "One can't help wondering why you're on this list and what you get out of it because you seem 
to disagree with most of the views that are expressed."
   what is agreement and what is disagreement ...? that only happens in the sphere of judgment ... 
you see ... if I present an alternative ... or an expansion ... then the reader has a choice to accept 
or not ... this does not mean that I agree or disagree ... unless I say I do ... if someone reacts to 
what I write, that is not my reaction ... nor to I need to be affected by the reaction ...
   Its only when people react to the reaction of another that an argument develops ... and in an 
argument, deeper reactions and memories from the past are invoked ... and (often) projected on 
the other who is not seen as a mirror for something that has happened in the past but which has 
usually been forgotten ... but that's another story ...
   I will offer an alternative meditation which may lead to the realisation of 'the new (inner) 
Jerusalem' or the burning bush ... or Atman ... but which will definitely take all beyond the 
separation between male and female ... and into the 'space between the cells' of your own body 
... which is not subject to 'astral influences
   By the way ... the astral plane only comes into play when you are meditating externally to self 
from emotional awareness ... and it can be difficult here to separate what is 'your's' and what is 
'astral garbage' (or other people's emotional projections)
   This is the level of much of what children see coming at them ... and the source of a lot of their 
fear ...
with respect
Christopher Wynter

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6074
From: Paul Yu
Subject: Re: Reaction or response
Hi everyone,
   In a forum such as a list like this we either react to our reaction to others' ideas or respond to 
our reaction to others' ideas. As far as we are concerned, the first reaction is automatic or 
mechanical. It is the given. Reaction or response to the first reaction is the issue at stake which 
differentiates a free act from a driven act.
   Reaction is a motion funneled to one polarity instead of both polarities or the whole. It is 
concentrated and targeted to one particular object and thus is unbalanced. Reaction to one's own 
reaction then is a driven act usually emotionally in nature based on past intertwined experiences. 
These emotional experiences are rooted in a belief system. One emotionally reacts to someone 
else's opinion because it is different from their own beliefs. To this automatic reaction one 
ordinarily tends upon noticing its presence to react due to the psychic forces following their own 
instincts, so to speak. One is surely reacting to their own reaction if they fail to see and accept 
certain points in the others' opinions.
   On the other hand, if one sees and accepts others' viewpoints on their own merit while 
expressing and sharing their own ideas they are responding to their own reactions instead of 
reacting.
   Truth is found everywhere if one cares to look for it because truth as well as the reality of the 
universe is holographic.
Paul Yu
SpiritualityABC
SpiritualityESOTERIC
http://onelist.com

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6075
From: "Jennifer Hampson"
Subject: The Office
   Rick wrote "Ship me to Australia and I would have a full blown accent by the time I got to my 
hotel room, mate."
G'day Rick
   I think you need to put your money where your mouth is. Yanks always talk big. So head on 
over, I'll put some prawns on the barbie and we'll have a yack about life over a cold tinnie. Forget 
about the New Jerusalem. Who needs it when you can have kangaroos, meat pies and Holden 
cars.
   With love from an Aussie sheila.
   By the way, I am interested that most people so far have focused on hi tech in their offices. My 
emphasis in my visualisation was on comfort, you know, big soft lounge chairs, thick plush carpet, 
flooded with glorious, natural light (who is going to get the rooms on the inside without the 
windows I wonder!), airy, warmth, fireplace etc. Does this mean I am a lazy hedonistic slug? 
Probably. Not much different to this reality, huh!
   I do have a replicator (but that is only so I can eat and drink whatever I want, whenever I want.) 
Oh and tons of beautiful old manuscripts and leather bound books, and flowers, and invisible 
celestial sound system for the music of the spheres, a magnificent view of nature, crystals and 
riotous harmonious, colour. And an atmosphere of peace. It would be a shame to disturb all this 
with work. Only joking. I can't see myself ever having a hard day at the office in this environment, 
whatever tasks JJ assigns us.
   By the way Glenys, I was pleased to find our rooms near to each other in my meditation. And 
Rick you were definitely around somewhere - maybe our thoughtforms will bring your office into 
reality for you, so you can just move straight in without needing to meditate yourself. (Hey that's 
really lazy. Wish I'd thought of that myself!)
Jen

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6076
From: "Mel's Spirit"
Subject: Re: Diane and my meditation... yes!
   Diane Linen writes: "I'd like to ask you if you've ever daydreamed? I would also suggest that if 
so, then you've "meditated"."
   Yes Diane, I do daydream! In fact it used to be a major problem when I was in school, as I 
would "black out" for several minutes and just sort of wake up 10 minutes later. I would start 
thinking about something and then off I was, oblivious to everything else around me.
   However, I would like to say that I did manage to get to the pyramid this morning and I entered 
through an Indigo door. Yes, yes, we can all do it!! Once I was past this door, I was in a sort of 
large "hall" and there I could see the 2 angels. What got my attention though was the light 
vortexes that I kept seeing all around me. When I asked what they were, I was told, or more likely 
I sensed that they were you guys, also getting (or trying to get..) to your own special room. I felt 
welcomed and it was very inviting but there was also a lot of busing around. It reminded me of the 
first day of university when everyone is looking for their classroom or the right building! And we 
were all very anxious to get to the classroom!
   Then I went to the 2 angels and they let me in. I was then surrounded by light and swirls of all 
colours. It was very peaceful. Although I could still sense others, I now felt more alone and calm. 
This was MY room. The whole room was dancing and vibrating and when it finally settled down, I 
pictured a nice comfortable sofa in it.
   That is as far as I got. Didn't have the time to do much thinking. I just enjoyed being there. A bit 
later, I tried it again to see if I could find my way back to my room.... and I was instantly there!!
   Oh, well, may be next time I'll make some profound discoveries! See ya all in New Jerusalem! 
And don't forget your toothbrush!

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6077
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: Marylin's Friend (OT)
   "Thank you so much for asking. Their names are Patricia and Roxston (he goes by Rocky). He 
fought his way up from alcoholism and needs a lot of love along with the healing. Marylin"
   "It is done Marylin. Lots of love and healing light is sent their way. Diane"
Hi Diane and all who sent sent love and healing
   Update: Rocky was released from the hospital and as far as I know is in good condition. My 
friend, Patricia, apparently spent the whole time with him and was too tired to say much this 
morning in her email.
   I just wanted everyone to know I send my love and heart felt thanks to you all for your response 
in a time of need.
Love, Light, Peace and Harmony
Marylin

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6078
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: The Office - Jen
   Jen writes: "By the way, I am interested that most people so far have focused on hi tech in their 
offices. My emphasis in my visualisation was on comfort, you know, big soft lounge chairs, thick 
plush carpet, flooded with glorious, natural light (who is going to get the rooms on the inside 
without the windows I wonder!), airy, warmth, fireplace etc. Does this mean I am a lazy hedonistic 
slug? Probably. Not much different to this reality, huh!"
Hi Jen
   I may be an oddity also. I had to go the imagination route, but I did create a computer with 
access to the internet. I forgot a printer but that's okay. I made a garden room, full of trees and 
flowers and bushes and park benches. I have never had much interest in gems unless they were 
exceptionally beautiful. Now pebbles that I have found at the bottom of rivers, with unusual 
shapes and colors are of interest to me. They blend in with the trees, flowers and bushes. Next 
time I think I will add birds and butterflies. I never even thought about food. I assume that if I get 
hungry all I will have to do is "create" a table containing the food I wish to have. This is a truly 
magical place. (heh, heh, just think.....no dishes to wash, just "dismiss" them.)
Love, Light, Peace and Harmony
Marylin

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6079
From: "Mel's Spirit"
Subject: Re: Reply to JJ.
   "Christopher Wynter" wrote: "My only reply at this moment is that what I write comes from 54 
years of meditation experience ... following both western and eastern disciplines" the last 10 
leading groups in the science of meditation (in which I hold qualifications and 'teacher credentials' 
from a number of organisations) You do not have to believe what I say ... but until you have 
experienced what I have experienced ... You cannot judge my experience from your perspective 
..."
Chris,
   It is not so much what you say that disturbs me, but it is in the WAY you say it and the words 
you use. You are harsh and confined only to YOUR experience. If you feel you are so right in 
your knowledge, what is it that you want from us?
   Constructive criticism is one thing, expressing your own point of view is wonderful although, no 
matter how many meditation degrees you have, we all have our OWN personal truth. Although I 
would like to learn from your point of view and truth, just like I am learning from JJ's, you do not 
present it in an attractive way....
   Chris, I am really saying this with lots of love and the highest and purest intention, only may be 
if you tried a different approach, may be more of us would respond in a positive way to your 
personal views.
   It is not about who's right and who's wrong. We are all different so why not learn and build from 
that? Isn't it what this list and this family is all about? Because this is MY family too now :)
My two cents worth...
My Infinite love to all!

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6080
From: "Mel's Spirit"
Subject: Re: Reaction or response
   Paul Yu wrote: "On the other hand, if one sees and accepts others' viewpoints on their own 
merit while expressing and sharing their own ideas they are responding to their own reactions 
instead of reacting. Truth is found everywhere if one cares to look for it because truth as well as 
the reality of the universe is holographic."
   Beautifully said Paul...

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6081
From: Kat
Subject: Re: Reply to JJ.
   Well said Mel. I think we all need to remember that we all have opinions and belief systems. 
Who's to say who's right and who's wrong? Until God appears before us to tell us which is 
definitely the ONLY way, we need to remember that we're all imperfect humans, and, although 
there may be some extraordinarily brilliant minds on this list, they, too, are just as capable of 
believing fallacies as you or I. Bottom line is: we all have something valuable to contribute. And, 
conversely, no human being knows the Absolute Truth. Not yet, anyway. We all have to choose 
those beliefs that feel right for us. :-)
   One of the things I love about this list, is the Love that is shared. Back-biting and dissension 
don't belong here.
Love,
Kat

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6082
From: Kat
Subject: Re: Reply to JJ.
   With all due respect, Chris, neither can you judge JJ's experience -- nor ours for that matter -- 
from your experiences. All any of us can honestly say is, that someone else's way of doing 
something may not work for us. We all approach experiences differently, no matter our age or the 
length of time we've been meditating.
Kat

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6083
From: Richard and Sharon
Subject: Reply To JJ
   Christopher, i am by no means a person that jumps to confrontation's willy-nilly, but while, i find 
some of what you say interesting, it's hard for me to get past your sign off, you write Respectfully, 
but I don't feel respect from you, i am willing to accept this may be my perception only, but i feel 
you are not so much sharing your opinions with me as you are preaching to me, and honestly, i 
don't get that from any other list member, you occasionally bring to the table food for thought, but 
i would so much more appreciate hearing some real feelings from you. I send you love & light, 
Christopher, and if my feelings are incorrect, please enlighten me. sharon 

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6084
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: Diane and my meditation... yes!
   WOW! Mel. That's really beautiful.
Diane
   Mel wrote: "Yes Diane, I do daydream! In fact it used to be a major problem when I was in 
school, as I would "black out" for several minutes and just sort of wake up 10 minutes later. I 
would start thinking about something and then off I was, oblivious to everything else around me."

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6085
From: Susi
Subject: RE: Meditation Help-Long
Hi ;-)
   There has been a lot of discussion and direction on how to meditate in response to Rick's 
original post. This will add to the list of help.....offered only from my own experiences and may at 
this time be to late for some or right on time for others. The advice given so far by All of you has 
been wonderful.
   For me there are also many different levels of meditation...... especially for the beginner.
Some helpful tools but by no means required are a pencil and paper, an amethyst crystal, a 
candle, a smudge stick. As you progress or if you like you may start with no tools, the above have 
been helpful to others in the past and to myself though I no longer require their use.
   If you do use them smudge is usually a small bundle of sage or sweet grass or a combination of 
both and is lit on fire then blown out and the smoke is used to cleanse the area and yourself (this 
is thought to clear the vibrations of negativity and to allow the spirits to communicate with you 
better) generally cleanse in a clockwise circular motion then stamp the smudge out in a bowl or 
ashtray, amethyst is also said to increase psychic abilities, absorb negativity and give one clearer 
vision this can be worn as jewelry or simply place a geode within your imaginary circle, the candle 
is so that you can see if you choose to be in a dimly lit location (often times shutting out stimulus 
achieves better results that is why some choose darker places) it is also used as a means of 
focus to free/empty ones thoughts and allow the imagination or dreams to flow into the new 
empty space, the pencil/pen and paper are for those of you who find that you fall asleep, this can 
be used to write down your remembering immediately upon awaking.
   First if one is not familiar with meditation I would recommend that you find yourself a quiet place 
away from interruption (if using tools use them now) and make yourself comfortable in what ever 
position you like to sit, stand, lay or hang. Use your own words of power/protection or recite the 
Song of the 144,000 (the song is a great tool to help direct your meditation towards the thoughts 
of this group without conscious effort on your part).
   Next imagine your etheric body, this is your energy body that is larger than your physical body 
and can grow in size and change form at will, extend your feet down into the center of the earth 
and imagine plugging into the core of our planet. One can accomplish this by visualizing or 
imagining the different layers between the surface (crust) and the center (core) of earth, rock, 
mud, clay, lava, what ever you imagine it is right for you!
   Once you have anchored yourself to the core and feel secure there try to go to that quiet place 
within where you find peace and acceptance of yourself and release all preconceived thoughts or 
ideas that you or I or society in general have placed into your thoughts. An easy way to do this for 
me is to imagine a toilet flushing and all the thoughts flushing down into the core where they will 
be cleansed and recycled naturally by mother earth. I flush as many times as needed. Some have 
used a likeness to a garbage disposal, a vortex, a whirlpool, a laundry shoot.......what ever you 
decide is right for you!
   Next pull up new clean energy from mother earth (I have been told this energy is silver by some 
and gold by others, you can make it what ever color you choose or clear. I generally feel it as a 
silver/white/sparkly/ soupy/ steamy/Smokey/liquid.).......feel it rising in your etheric body then in 
you toes, your ankles, you calves, you knees, your thighs, so on and so forth until it has filled 
every cell of your existence and is freely flowing out the top of your head and running/flowing 
down over your body filling your sacred space/sphere/circle.
   This takes time and patience and practice and is intended for the beginners those of you that 
are able to go into a meditative state at will need not practice this.
   You will feel a tingling sensation as you draw this energy up, and may or may not feel a floating 
sensation. Next ask the universe to send you the "knowledge you are ready to receive and the 
wisdom to make the best use of it" and imagine the Universal love and light flowing into you 
through your crown chakra (the head of your etheric body). This energy is generally golden with 
rainbow sparkles and feels and looks very much like rain to me in a light mist, it is soft and warm 
and glowing........imagine what your will and it will be right for you! This energy fills every cell of 
you body as well and runs down through your crown to your toes where it begins to fill you up 
until it too spouts from your crown and runs down over your body and fills your sacred 
space/sphere/circle.
   Next with out directing your thoughts let the energy flow and feel the energy, play with it, taste 
it, touch it, see it, smell it, love it and get used to it.......once you feel safe in it let your mind go 
and allow the universe to communicate with you.
   Know that when you decide to come back to your physical surroundings you will be charged 
with new energy and feel wonderful from the experience of experiencing nothing or 
something.......what ever you experience will be right for you!
   The above exercise is not meant to accomplish anything in particular, it is kind of like the first 
time one gets on an unbroken horses back........you just let it take you where ever it wills itself to 
go.......both of you becoming accustom and used to the feel etc... of each other.
   Once back to the land of the living ;-) You may want to write down your experience as they 
often times are fleeting to the conscious memory.
   When you have the above down to an art and can get into your space almost instantly try the 
next steps:
   Go into your meditation only this time try to direct where and what you would like to have 
answers to.
   This can be accomplished by knowing why you are meditating.....in the lists case it is to get to 
what JJ refers to as the New Jerusalem.
   Ask the energies to take you there or reveal it to you so that you may take a look at it. If you are 
able to sense that it is there but unable to see it try to remember that to bring things into focus 
better you must use all your senses..... .ask yourself what does it look like, what does it feel like, 
what does it smell like, what does it sound like, what does it taste like? It is ok if you are not able 
to get a clear description/sense of everything, it will come to you when the time is right.
   You may direct yourself to where ever you wish to go......meditation is still very much in the 
mind with purpose and to call to the present conscious that which is held in the subconscious. 
You are the puppet and the puppeteer all in one ;-)
   By this time you will have found on your own that you are able to expand or contract your 
space/sphere/circle at will to encompass all that you wish to fill it with. You may have already 
experienced other beings or entities coming into you space either through your inviting them 
personally (calling on them) or through your general invite to the universe the excited souls that 
have been waiting to hear from you took it upon them selves to come and make their presence 
known to you.
   I guess the next step would be to ask yourself where do you want to go today, if it is to the New 
Jerusalem follow JJ's outline and use it as your guidance, if it is some place else I wish you a 
safe and happy journey!
   Soon through patience, practice and acceptance of yourself and your thoughts you will be able 
to go into a meditation at will any where, any time regardless of outside stimulus. It is a great tool 
for problem solving since it utilizes your subconscious and often times reveals solutions that you 
know are there but have been unable to locate on a conscious level.
   I hope this helps and if there are any questions please feel free to ask.
Many Blessings;-)
Susi Alexander
The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com"

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6086
From: Susi
Subject: RE: Discussion or Argument?
Hi Everyone,
   This bickering that is going on is NOT fun! (just thought I'd start by saying that)
   For me:
   Discussions do not have the same feel as arguments in that a discussion feels more like 
tolerance or acceptance of another's views even if they are different from my own 
experiences......where an argument makes me feel that whom ever I had been having a 
discussion with did not like what I said and could not accept it......there fore they have taken it to 
the next level and tried to prove me wrong or persuade me to come over to their own thought 
pattern.
Example:
   I can think of many instances where this has occurred in discussions about my choice to home 
school my children.....there are those that pretend to accept but still try to tell me I am wrong with 
out directly stating it (these so called discussions always last the longest and I usually have to 
remind whom ever that I am not judging their decision to utilize the public or private school 
system, only that for ME the pros of home schooling out weigh the pros of public/private 
schooling at this time.......my opinion is free to change when ever. These people usually end the 
argument having to get the last word and stating that I am harming my children for life.), there are 
those that say they could never take the time needed to teach as well as the public school system 
but they admire my effort, and there are those that agree and also home school though our 
reasons or objectives for doing so may differ. The last two feel comfortable for me in that I do not 
feel judged and the conversation has not turned into an argument.
   I do not know if this is a short coming of mine or not, but I do not like to argue or listen to others 
argue....it has always seemed like a waste of time to me since as far back as I can remember. I 
will in-gage in a civilized discussion and listen to what others have to say.......sometimes I find 
that I learn and sometimes I find that I am confused but when ever the discussion ends I feel I 
have either strengthened my own understanding, learned more, or helped another to see another 
perspective.
   My mother used to get frustrated with me because she would give me "advice" (her opinion on 
how to live my life), she would say you never listen when I give you advice I wish you would just 
do what I say..........I always replied, "I do listen, it is just that sometimes I disagree and I choose 
not to follow your advice and other times I agree and do follow. Sometimes I find through 
experience that you were right and I could have avoided said experience if I had listened and 
other times I find that I am glad to have had these experiences that I would not have had if I had 
followed." I am exercising my freedom of choice, of free will. Her main complaint was that I 
wouldn't tell her that I wasn't going to follow her advice so she could continue giving advice in the 
form of an argument or ultimatum......but that was because in my mind I was having a civilized 
discussion with her not a battle of who was right or wrong. This scenario is a very old one and no 
longer applies because she finally accepts me for who I am and also is more accepting of others 
these days.
I don't know if this is relevant here or not, but I wanted to post it, maybe I am just venting. Maybe 
the next time any of us see a statement that is in opposition or the polarity (I don't know if that is 
the right word here) to something that has been posted by another member we can all sit back 
and view it as one persons experience different from anything we ourselves have experienced, 
but non the less valid as our own. If a discussion is needed to express further ones own views 
why not simply state why you have come to such a conclusion as opposed to stating that the 
others statement is wrong?
   Maybe I'm just to simple.
Many Blessings;-)
Susi Alexander
The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com"

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6087
From: Kat
Subject: Re: RE: Discussion or Arguement?
Susi,
   Your statements are relevant. And I totally agree. I believe we could learn more by "listening" to 
others, rather than lambasting them for their beliefs. I've probably said this half a dozen times 
over the last few days, but we all have our own opinions on any given subject. What holds true for 
one, may not hold true for another. We all must learn to accept the differences in others and 
honour their right to choose differently than we.
Namaste,
Kat

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6088
From: Susi
Subject: My Meditation Journey - long
   If anyone is interested this is what happened when I meditated. I have only done this once so 
far and it was on Friday but this is my first chance to really type.
   I sat down at my desk and got grounded then off I went........swoosh I was there in an instant, I 
could see the city below me encompassed in a large sphere of cloudy white light. I too was with in 
this sphere only I was at the top of it looking down and floating above and around the pyramid in 
the center. The first thing I noticed were all the people coming in from outside the sphere in lines 
waiting their turns to try and enter. There was a lot of noise, the sound of people talking and 
laughing together........non looked unhappy though some looked nervous (I felt they were nervous 
through their vibration)......some where just standing on the edge of the sphere taking in the 
beauty of it, not wanting to approach it yet.
   First off before I could even go down to the entrances I was greeted by a booming voice that 
said my name and asked "why are you here, you haven't been here in a long time. Why don't you 
come with us." I explained that I was participating in a group discussion and wanted to 
experience what they (you keysters) were doing. This was conveyed that it was alright so I floated 
down to the entrance that was on the left.......all the entrances looked the same to me.
   There was a large block and a winged lion sitting on top at the side of each entrance......this lion 
was on the left as well.....the right had a large golden eagle that would devour anyone who was 
not pure of heart and thought they could force their way in.......though I didn't feel like that had 
happened in many lifetimes. The lion was more animated and smiled when I looked upon him. 
The eagle was more statuesque and did not like to show emotion but I did get him to wink at me 
and bow his head in acknowledgment of my being there.
   The angle was female and she held up both of her hands shoulder length apart with the tips of 
her fingers even with the corners of her eyes and we touched hands palms together then 
embraced and laughed with each other........I knew her and there was no need to ask permission 
to enter. The door was open and I walked in.
   Once inside I could see all the rooms and hear the people.......there was a big main hall a few 
higher beings entered through the tip of the pyramid and descended down to the floor in greeting. 
These were the same that had seen me enter the sphere and I could sense others felt their 
presence as well as a quiet hush came about when they arrived and the man of the hall came 
out.
   The man whom JJ spoke of that we should see after entering then came over and we spoke 
briefly, we both bowed to each other and felt our presence meld into one.....kind kind kind sweet 
man/being, very warm and loving. He asked if I needed anything and I replied, "no I have only to 
ask and I will have what ever I need at the moment I ask it." he replied, " I see you have learned 
well." I then was taken on a tour by the first people that greeted me. I was told the words, "take 
my hand and walk with me." This is a song that had been taught to me by God many years ago 
while contemplating on the beach one day and I recognized it right off.
   I was as happy to see them as they were to see me and if I told you that it
was God and Jesus and four others would you believe me? If I told you that Jesus is my brother 
and we hugged would you believe me? If I told you that they told me that my love, my guardian 
angle and friend was coming to see me because he had heard of my presence you probably 
wouldn't believe that either so I guess I wont tell you ;-)
   Anyway they wanted me to come with them so I obliged and we went to another place via the 
portal in the tip of the pyramid and there was Mother/Goddess......it was nice to see her as well 
though she is very protective and was busy keeping a mindful watch over everything (I mean 
everything). They showed me that the garden I used to frequent was still there and all the 
animals......some we humans believe to exist only in fairy tales and mythology.......I played there 
for a brief moment and gave them all my love and they me in return......I will go back soon ;-)
   We then continued on into another room, circular and the presence of Source was in the center, 
an energy of magnificent light, vibration, and sound. Source was glad I'd found my way home.
   This is were it gets interesting!
   We were not the only ones in this room, there were others but they were communing amongst 
themselves and when I explained that I was in search of fellow Keysters and inquired if they knew 
of any that had arrived or been there or would be there......over walked John K. Yes John was in 
this particular room with us and we knew each other though I don't know him in this physical 
world.
   We left the room, minus John, and went back to the pyramid where they proceeded to show me 
of the others and I saw Glenys, Jennifer Hampson, JJ and his wife, I was shown Rick as well 
though I was told he was having some trouble and would be here in the future (so your post came 
as no surprise to me) They showed me others but I can't remember who they were now and I 
must admit that I am not familiar with all the names on the list so this contributes to my lose of 
memory. Bell was there I remember that and the funniest and nicest surprise was that though Zia 
is not a Keyster anymore by technical terms, she was there and happy and bubbly as usual 
playing with some children.
   Glenys you and I recognized each other and kept popping up in front of each other but we didn't 
really talk, just smiled in knowingness. I was shown a room but it was only full of white blinding 
light, no walls or floor or ceiling and it was told to me that this was my room long ago and that I 
hadn't been there in this form in a long long time......I entered and became one with the light then 
exited and continued touring. They wanted me to return to the room through the portal and I did. 
There was John again. We never spoke but I know him (I hope this is not too disturbing to you 
John), I was not surprised to see him there either.......on many levels many times I have sensed 
his higher self through this list.
   JJ you were very much in your room and I saw you watching us with you wife, but you didn't 
really want to communicate yet.......I say yet because it felt as though telepathically you were 
saying not yet, go to your rooms and we will meet up later when I am ready (meaning when you 
are ready to lead us somewhere else) You were saying this to both me and Glenys. I must say 
that Glenys seemed to be like me in that she was curious to see all that was around her so that is 
why we kept crossing paths as we separately explored the pyramid in its entirety.
   I saw many others there doing all sorts of tasks from hard labor to just sitting and singing. So 
there you have it. What a wonderful place to go and visit. I hope this is not considered to be 
revealing myself as I was told not to reveal myself while I was visiting the circular room. I'm of the 
thought that if I do not know who I am than I can't really reveal myself anyway. I just am that is all 
I just am and I thank God/Source for allowing me to be.
Many Blessings;-)
Susi Alexander
The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com"

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6089
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: My Meditation Journey - long
Susi,
   Thanks for sharing this. I enjoyed reading of your meditation. If you noticed anyone sort of in 
the back of the room, quiet and just observing everything and everyone, then you probably saw 
me there.
Diane

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6090
From: "Christopher Wynter"
Subject: The Innocent
***
With love I bid you listen...
I cannot see the face of you . 
for you will not allow my eyes to open.
***
I cannot feel the shape of you . 
for you have bound my hands.
***
I cannot hear the words you speak . 
for you have stoppered my ears.
***
I cannot smell the scent of you . 
for you have masked it well.
***
I cannot taste your lips . 
for you turn away.
***
Yet I know the depth of you, the truth of you,
the luminous vibration that you are. 
***
These things I know and they are true 
for I have no senses to filter them ...
your essence undistorted by the senses of Man.
***
I know you not as woman ...
I know you not as man ...
I know you not as child ...
I know you not as aged ...
***
I know you as immortal in a transient cloak of age ...
Yet age shall not touch you, nor shall it scar.
***
The lightness you are, the brightness you are,
the flutterings of your heart, the vibrations of your mind,
These are things I know.
I know you so well ... 
***
Yet, as a shadow, I stand in your sight ... 
You do not see me, you do not hear me.
***
Occasionally as a breeze on a still night do I touch you.
***
As an unbidden movement on the edge of your mind 
do you acknowledge that I exist.
***
I am the you of light, 
the guide and host of past wisdom and future hope.
***
I speak not of love for you because I am love, I am you.
***
Remove the fetters of human senses 
and allow yourself to know the depths of who you are.
***
For you are I.
***
I am divine .....
I am the child.
***
I am the innocent within.
***
With Respect
Christopher Wynter
Hobart, Tasmania
wynter@bigpond.com

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6091
From: Susi
Subject: Re: My Meditation Journey - long
   "Susi, Thanks for sharing this. I enjoyed reading of your meditation. If you noticed anyone sort 
of in the back of the room, quiet and just observing everything and everyone, then you probably 
saw me there. Diane"
Diane,
   I do recall some people milling about outside of their rooms and some I could see in their 
rooms. Your post rang a bell and I wanted to let you know that I did see many just quietly 
observing. If you are a weaver of baskets I recall a woman weaving in the far right corner just 
looking because the weaving was second nature and there was no need for her to pay attention 
to what her hands were making. If this was not you don't worry, I know I'll see you there next 
time......I'll make a conscious effort to look for you ;-)
Many Blessings;-)
Susi Alexander
The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com"

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6092
From: "Christopher Wynter"
Subject: I Come to You as a Stranger
   "You come to me as a stranger. I am the spiritual one this I know, so I look at you and see you 
as my spiritual glasses will allow me to view you. You are clouded and shadowed by ego. This is 
easy for me to see and recognise in you. Your spiritual practices are lacking, for there is no light 
in your eyes. You do not observe the same rituals and prayers as I do. You are not correct in your 
observances, they are lax - so too must be your mind and heart. I know that I speak the truth for 
my practices are observed and perfect. Anyone can see and watch me without being able to find 
fault with what I do and what I say. Listen to me. Observe me and you will leave behind your 
slack ways and find perfection - if you follow my practices."
   I say to you stranger, that you are no stranger to me. You are my God, for you are divine and 
the Divine Light which illuminates all is within you. I see no separation between you and I. You 
doing your rituals and practices are perfect. You in your judgement of me are perfect. Your sense 
of ego which allows that no other path other than yours as you see it can bring love and peace, if 
perfect. For behind the egocentrics is a light longing for fuel to bring it into consciousness of 
actions, not just of mere words.
   I honour you. I honour your path and I do not judge, for to judge is to be judged, to sensor is to 
be censured, to openly love without condition is to find bliss. As The Christ, I will turn the other 
cheek, for I would not strike my Lord.
   I come to me as a stranger.
   I look at myself new each day and see potential and limitation. I readjust my view of me 
because each minute of the day I have the advantage of having a mirror before me.
   My life, my potential and limitations are shown to me by those who are around me, by those 
with whom every day I see and sometimes interact. When I see a stranger who speaks to me and 
causes me to move away because they have said something that has angered me, I look at the I 
within and find the source of the anger, for it is merely a reaction.
   In doing so, I uncover another stranger and make friends with part of myself that I have long 
relegated to the realms of the unconscious.
With Respect
Christopher Wynter
Hobart, Tasmania
wynter@bigpond.com

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6093
From: "Christopher Wynter"
Subject: Reactions
   There was an old man in a village, and he was very poor, but even kings were jealous of him 
because he had a beautiful white horse. Such a horse had never been seen before because of its 
magnificent beauty, strength, and pure whiteness. Noblemen and even kings offered fabulous 
prices for the horse. But the old man would say "this horse is not a horse to me. He is a person, 
and how can you sell a person? He is a friend, not a possession. How can you sell a friend? no, it 
is not possible."
   The man was poor and there was every temptation, but he never sold the horse.
   One morning he discovered that the horse was not in the stable. the whole village gathered and 
they said, "foolish old man! We knew it before-hand, that some day the horse would be stolen; 
and you are so poor! How could you protect such a thing? It would have been better to sell it. You 
could have fetched any price you asked, any fancy price was possible. Now the horse is gone. it 
is a curse, a misfortune."
   The old man said "no, wait. Simply say that the horse is not in the stable. This is the fact; every 
thing else is a judgment. Wether it is misfortune or not, how do you know . . how can you judge?" 
The people said "don't try to fool us! We may not be great philosophers but no philosophy is 
needed. It is a simple fact that a treasure has been lost, and it is a misfortune."
   The old man said, "I will stick to the fact that the stable is empty and the horse is gone. 
Anything else I don't know. I don't know whether it is a misfortune or a blessing, because this is 
just a fragment. Who knows what is going to follow?" The people laughed, and thought the old 
man had gone mad. They always knew that he was a little crazy, otherwise he would have sold 
the horse and lived in riches. But he was living as a woodcutter, and he was very old and still 
cutting and bringing wood from the Forest to sell. He was living hand-to-mouth, and in poverty. 
Now it was completely certain that this man was crazy.
   After fifteen days, the horse returned. He had not been stolen. He had escaped to the 
wilderness, and not only had he come back, but he had brought a dozen wild horses with him. 
again the people gathered and they said, " old man, you where right and we were wrong. It was 
not a misfortune. It proved to be a blessing. we are sorry that we insisted."
   The old man said, " again you are going too far! Just say the horse is back, and say that twelve 
horses have come with the horse, but don't judge. Who knows whether it is a blessing or not? It is 
only a fragment. . . unless you know the whole story, how can you judge? You read one page of a 
book, how can you judge the whole book? You read a sentence in a page, how can you judge the 
whole page? You read a single word in a sentence, how can you judge the whole sentence? Life 
is so Vast. A fragment of a sentence, and you judge the whole. Don't say that this is a blessing-
nobody knows. and I am happy in my non-judgment."
   This time the people could not say much; maybe the old man was right. So they kept silent, but 
inside they knew well that he was wrong. Twelve beautiful horses had come back with the white 
horse. A little training and they could all be sold, and would fetch much money. The old man had 
a young son, an only son. The young son started to train the wild horses; a week later he fell from 
one of them and his legs were broken. The people gathered again, and people are people 
everywhere; again they judged, as judgment comes so easily.
   The old man said, "you are obsessed with values! Say only that my son has broken his legs. 
Who knows whether this is a misfortune or a blessing? Nobody knows. Again a fragment, and all 
is never given to you. Life comes in fragments and to judge the part is to assume you know the 
total."
   After a few weeks the country went to war with a neighbouring country and all the young men of 
the town were forcibly taken for the military. Only the old mans son was left because he was 
crippled. The people gathered crying and weeping, because from every house young people 
where being taken away. And there was little chance of their coming back, because the country 
that had attacked was powerful, and the war was being lost. They would probably all die.
   The whole town was crying and weeping and they came to the old man and they said, "you 
were right, old man. God knows you were right! This proved a blessing. Maybe your son is 
crippled, but still he is with you. Our sons are gone forever! At least he is alive, and with you. And 
by and by he will start walking. Maybe a little limp will be left, but he will be okay."
   The old man again said, "it is impossible to talk to you people. You go on and on - judging and 
judging. Only say this, that your sons have been forced to enter into the military, and my son has 
not been forced. But nobody knows whether it is a blessing or a misfortune! Nobody will ever be 
able to know it! Only God knows."
With Respect
Christopher Wynter
Hobart, Tasmania
wynter@bigpond.com

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-09/6094
From: Terrance R Brennan
Subject: Problems w/ New Jrslm. Meditation
   I'm finding this guided meditation thing to be almost impossible. And I get so frustrated because 
I want so bad for it to work.
1. First of all, like Rick, I suck at visualizing. But that's already been covered so next is . . .
2. I have big problems with holding any of the images together--they seem to have a life of their 
own as they just move around by themselves or fly apart.
3. I have a hard time controlling my movement. We're supposed to stop and wait for permission 
from 2 angels--but as hard as I try I don't see any angels and I just get sucked right through the 
pyramid entrance. It's also very dark inside, and w/o some difficult concentration on my part it 
would remain that way. Maybe this is the wrong pyramid? :-)
   I know I already created a room but I'd rather toss it and start over because nothing holds 
together--it's all so fragmented and blurred. Maybe this is too advanced for me?
Rob

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6095
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Problems w/ New Jrslm. Meditation
Hi Rob,
   I don't normally give advice but the following may help:
   Terrance R Brennan wrote: "I'm finding this guided meditation thing to be almost impossible. 
And I get so frustrated because I want so bad for it to work."
   Try not to try so hard. It can make the mind frenetic and agitated.
"1. First of all, like Rick, I suck at visualizing. But that's already been covered so next is . . ."
"2. I have big problems with holding any of the images together--they seem to have a life of their 
own as they just move around by themselves or fly apart."
   Maybe you should try allowing the images to do their own thing and see where it takes you. In 
some ways, the more you try to control the experience that more you'll come up against 
resistance. You mind will calm down eventually. Remember, this is a new experience - your mind 
is like an excited child wanting to rush off for an adventure. But it will return to you and allow you 
to harness it to take you to an even more fulfilling experience.
"3. I have a hard time controlling my movement. We're supposed to stop and wait for permission 
from 2 angels--but as hard as I try I don't see any angels and I just get sucked right through the 
pyramid entrance. It's also very dark inside, and w/o some difficult concentration on my part it 
would remain that way. Maybe this is the wrong pyramid? :-)"
   LOL. I doubt it. I have problems with speed as well sometimes and I have to consciously (and 
reluctantly) slow things down to enable me to absorb it all. Once again, it's a control thing which 
will come to you in time as you practice more and more. I wouldn't be hesitant of the darkness; I'd 
go into it and see where it lead me. You may find you go through the darkness to a place of 
brilliant white/gold light or indescribable colours. Or the darkness may be a metaphor for some 
personal darkness. Either way, we all have to go through our darkness sooner or later so what 
not do it while visiting your true home :-)
   "I know I already created a room but I'd rather toss it and start over because nothing holds 
together--it's all so fragmented and blurred. Maybe this is too advanced for me?"
   You're allowed. It's your room. Redecorate it and screw things to the floor for awhile :-).
   It's not too advanced for you, Rob; it's just different and new. I'm sure if you persevere it won't 
be long before you're throwing dinner parties in your room and inviting us all. And I bet the food 
won't fly around the room!
   On a related note, it's been great to read about everyone's experiences. I smiled at Susi's 
comments that we were the curious ones because that would be me to a 't' - nosey as ever and 
off exploring. And Jen, it didn't surprise me at all that we were near to each other :-))
Love
Glenys
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Fall seven times, stand up eight.
- Japanese proverb

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6096
From: Rick Audette
Subject: Re: My Meditation Journey - long
   "was shown Rick as well though I was told he was having some trouble and would be here in 
the future"
   Well, it's only trouble if I don't learn something or don't perform some useful service while I'm 
down here. Hey, I got off easy, so far, nobody has asked me to wait around two thousand years. 
If it counts for anything, I'd like nothing better than to meet up with all my brothers and sisters. I 
think you'll all see me there, even if y'all have to tie me up and drag me.
   Hey, aren't we all supposed to get together for new years. Glenys got there first, maybe she 
can rent the hall for us. Or maybe Susi, she seems to know all the big wigs there. I'll find the 
place. Y'all sent such good maps and then there's this Aug.11th thing. Maybe we'll all get a boost 
out of it. It's a good excuse for a pep rally, at least. What's everybody doing this Wednesday. NJ 
might be a good place to view the event. Be there if you can :) I know I'll be trying.
Rick
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Welcome home. Don't worry about your level of spiritual development. The memories and 
powers, spoken of here will come naturally with time on the path, they don't have to be forced. On 
an Infinite scale, no position is any closer than another. Nearness to God cannot be measured in 
3D terms, but rather by the strength of ones focus and affinity to It. 
Keep reading and looking, and I promise, you will get there.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6097
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: My Meditation Journey - long
   Rick Audette wrote: "....... and then there's this Aug.11th thing. Maybe we'll all get a boost out of 
it. It's a good excuse for a pep rally, at least. What's everybody doing this wednesday. NJ might 
be a good place to view the event. Be there if you can :) I know I'll be trying."
   That's a great idea, Rick. See you - and everyone else - there!
   (Of course, the 11th is only hours away for me. If the world falls to bits, NZ will be the first to go, 
so watch this space :-)))
Love
Glenys
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Fall seven times, stand up eight.
- Japanese proverb

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6098
From: J J Dewey
Subject: The Next Assignment
   Suzi... Great account of your meditation. I see you keep jumping ahead. I liked the part where 
you said:
   "JJ you were very much in your room and I saw you watching us with you wife, but you didn't 
really want to communicate yet.......I say yet because it felt as though telepathically you were 
saying not yet, go to your rooms and we will meet up later when I am ready (meaning when you 
are ready to lead us somewhere else) You were saying this to both me and Glenys. "
   This was an accurate impression for I do want us to stay as close together as a group as 
possible as we make this interesting journey.
   To others of you who have had only partial success or have had success but are reluctant - go 
ahead and share. The sharing we have had so far has helped more than is realized.
Rob,
   You seem to be having a similar problem that Rick had. Us males have to realize that 
visualization is accomplished through female energy and is sometimes difficult for us. You will 
notice that the most successful accounts so far are from females.
   Read over again the four levels of meditation and if you have difficulty with visualization then 
use imagination. I know you well enough to know that you have a very good one. First imagine 
and after a period that imagination will clothe itself in feeling energy and the power of visualization 
will increase.
Next assignment:
   You have been touching the wall of your room and your counterpart is on the other side. Now 
see that the wall is disappearing and your partner is standing before you. You may or may not 
see who this is, but you will sense his or her vibration. You proceed toward this person and give 
them a hug and as you do the vibration of love is greatly increased. Close your eyes and bask in 
this joyous feeling for a moment. As you do it almost seems like you are so close that you are in 
one body together.
Now you draw back and the wall comes up again, but the feeling of union remains. You know you 
can remove the wall any time you want now, but for the present the wall is a means of focusing 
your attention on the next step.
Until you receive that next step contemplate on the idea that you seem to be alone, but that you 
are not alone.
Contemplate the phrase "Isolated Unity."

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6099
From: J J Dewey 
Subject: Making The Negative Positive
CHAPTER SEVENTEEN
MAKING THE NEGATIVE POSITIVE
The Positive Feelings
LOVE. In the Greek there are three words for love. The reason Love is so hard to define in 
English is because it is used on so many different levels and refers to any kind of emotional 
attachment. Let try and put into words the most universal meaning: "Love urge to be one with or 
keep within one's sphere of influence that which he finds desirable." Love is the most important 
emotion because it is the vine from which all others are branches. No emotion or feeling at all 
would exist if some degree of love did not appear first.
The most common expression of romantic love is between male and female. A correct use of this 
energy leads toward union and a feeling of joyousness. An incorrect use can cause one to 
attempt to restrict the freedoms of those who do not respond to love as desired.
Happiness And Joy Happiness is achieved when that which is loved (according to the above 
definition) is made available for the individual's use or purpose.
For instance when a man loves a woman and she allows herself to be available to respond to him 
there is joy.
If you love a certain house then when you move into it you will feel happiness.
If you love your children and they evolve the direction you desire you feel happy.
The positive use of happiness is to share it with others. The negative use is to direct it only 
toward self.
Belief And Faith These also have their foundation on love. These feelings are caused by looking 
forward to that which is loved. Belief and faith can be very positive if the foundation of our beliefs 
is based on reality and tempered with love, but can be very negative if our foundation is on 
illusion and tempered with selfishness. Hitler for instance had a lot of faith and belief in what he 
was doing.
The Negative Emotions
ANGER The negative emotions also have their cause centered in the love energy. Anger, for 
instance, is caused by the frustration or delay in obtaining that which is loved.
Anyone who is saying that he never gets angry is in reality saying that he is never frustrated in 
obtaining that which he desires or loves.
Frustrations and limitations happen to us all until our will is in complete alignment with the will of 
God which is all-powerful. When this alignment has taken place death is then overcome. 
Therefore, if we are still mortal beings we must not deceive ourselves and admit our limitations 
and the feelings of anger when they come. Self-deception causes more limitations and thus more 
anger. Honesty opens the door to the removal of the limitation and thus a reduction of anger.
Anger is neither good nor evil, but is merely an expression of limitation. It becomes evil if it is not 
directed by mind and harmlessly directed. It also produced evil results if it is covered up. On the 
other hand it, is good if it is directed by mind toward constructive use to galvanize the personality 
for the removal of limitation.
Jesus was angry because the worship of his Father whom He loved was frustrated. He 
constructively used his anger to raise the consciousness of those who misused the temple, thus 
helping to remove the limitations that bothered him.
HATE Hate is the energy directed toward a person or thing that is deemed responsible for limiting 
or keeping one from that which one desires or loves. If anyone besides oneself is given 
responsibility for keeping him from his desires then hate is an automatic feeling. When this 
happens the feeling should be admitted and the cooperation of the person producing the 
frustration should be sought. If cooperation is impossible the only way to then remove the hate is 
again to align ourselves completely with the will of God. When the will energy is tapped into then 
one realizes that nothing can interfere with that will, therefore there is nothing to hate.
Hate manifested without mental direction becomes very harmful, but when directed intelligently 
and the cause thereof communicated and accepted the consciousness of all can be raised and 
harm can be eliminated. Hate is actually a warning voice of the soul telling us we are headed 
toward harm. When we listen to the voice hate disappears and we become harmless as doves 
and wise as serpents.
SORROW AND UNHAPPINESS Sorrow and unhappiness occur when it seems that that which is 
desired or loved is lost or delayed and cannot be immediately obtained.
The Christ, the greatest of us all, was sorrowful on occasion. Therefore, there should be no great 
humiliation in us admitting that we have similar feelings.
Just before the crucifixion he said: "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death." Matt 26:38 
He would have liked to stayed here and build the kingdom of God among men but that was not in 
the will of God. When He realized that this desire that he loved could not be obtained he felt 
sorrow just as we do when we have to leave a beloved person or thing forever.
Sorrow is negative if we dwell on the past and refuse to be comforted by the future good. On the 
other hand, it is positive when we realize that our future we are building will give us more 
happiness than the past we left behind. When this thought is in our consciousness then we can 
even have happiness in the midst of sorrow.
JEALOUSY This seems to be the most controversial emotion. Whenever I have taught that there 
is a good aspect to jealousy I always have someone respond that it is entirely negative and that 
an evolved person rises above it. Let's examine it more carefully by first defining it.
Jealousy is an energy manifested as a warning to make us aware that that which we love and 
desire to be united with is in danger of being separated from us and that steps need to be taken 
to solidify the union.
We are perhaps more tempted to be self-deceptive about jealousy than any other emotion 
because it is looked upon as an unenlightened feeling. Another problem in understanding it is that 
unlike emotions of anger, hate and sorrow, not everyone experiences the conditions which bring 
about this feeling.
Most jealousy feelings are felt in connection with relationships of male-female unions. Few realize 
that two conditions must exist to produce jealousy. (1) A desire for union. (2) A threat (real or 
imagined) to the union.
If a person has no one special in his or her life that he desires to be one with then no one has 
power to evoke jealousy. If a person does have someone that he desires to be one with and they 
have a committed relationship and are dedicated to each other with no other objective in their 
consciousness then the second condition for jealousy is lacking and the feeling will not manifest.
If there is a one-sided commitment in a relationship then the uncommitted party will not feel 
jealousy, but the committed person will. If both parties have an understanding that they will have 
a loose relationship with a low level of commitment then these will generally have little or no 
jealousy.
For persons in the above situations to believe they are beyond jealousy is an illusion. The reason 
jealousy is often seen by them as a feeling belonging to the lower evolved is because it can be 
caused by an imagined threat or circumstances. A person who is always imagining circumstances 
that never occur will be uncomfortably possessive and jealous. This is the type of jealousy that 
most people associate with being bad.
On the other hand, when there is a union that one finds desirable and a situation comes up to 
divert the partner's attention from that union there will be a definite jealous feeling sent through 
the solar plexus chakra of the one who maintains his full attention on the union. If the soul did not 
send this urgency-toward-action to cement the union there would be no such thing as a close 
male-female relationship among mankind.
All relationships have points where energy is diverted and there has to be a force to make us 
aware of when the diversion may be too great. If we deny the feeling of jealousy or ignore it we 
will never develop a close union that will last for many lifetimes until oneness is achieved. When 
oneness is reached then the two dwell together in perfect love and no jealousy or any other 
negative feeling will be possible because no diversion of energy is possible.
Like all feelings, positive or negative, jealousy has to be directed by the mind under the direction 
of the Spirit or the results will be considered evil. This common misdirection is why jealousy in 
particular has such a bad reputation.
The positive use of jealousy is to cause the individual to discern a potential threat to the union 
that he wishes to keep. Without this feeling the person may remain unaware that he need make 
any effort to solidify the relationship and the union would gradually dissolve.
SUE, BOB, AND JIM
An example of the positive use of jealousy would be something like this. Bob and Sue are 
engaged to be married and are very much in love. Several years ago, however Sue was in love 
with Jim and wanted to marry him. Jim was not ready for marriage and joined the Army. Now Jim 
has just finished his term and has returned home. He now realizes that marrying Sue would have 
been much better than the Army and looks her up when he gets home. Sue tells him that she is 
engaged, but Jim now feels that he is ready for a serious relationship and he tries to get her 
interest. Some of the old feelings that Sue has for Jim are rekindled. She loves Bob and believes 
that he would be the best marriage partner, but Jim has a magnetism that attracts her and it 
excites her that Jim is now seriously interested in her whereas before he was not. Jim presses 
her to see him. She says no. She is engaged to Bob. Jim then asks her to spend some time 
together just as friends. How about going to lunch, he asks. That sounds harmless enough she 
thinks. "Just this once," she says
They eat lunch and Jim asks her to go for a walk in the park. They talk about old times. Sue 
remembers the old feelings. "I've just go to see you again," says Jim. "How about tomorrow. I 
want to show you my grandfather's racehorses. That'll give us time to talk some more."
"I'm not sure." she said.
"It's just two friends getting together. I'm not going to attack you or anything. How about tomorrow 
at noon?"
"Alright," she says. "But just one more time."
At grandfather's house they go horseback riding. They stop in the middle of a wooded area. Jim 
looks in her eyes and romantic feelings come back to her. The energy is so strong it seems for a 
moment as if Bob does not exist. He kisses her. She yields for a moment and then remembers 
that she should not be doing this if she really loves Bob. She pulls away and wants to go home. 
That evening she reflects on the situation. She loves Bob and feels that he would make the best 
marriage partner, but Jim is more aggressive and has a powerful draw on her feelings. She is not 
sure if she can resist him if he is around her much more. She is not sure if she can say no to him 
if he asks to see her again. She feels very distraught.
Now what is happening with Bob as all of this is going on? Bob knows that Sue was once in love 
with Jim. As soon as he learns that Jim is back in town he feels a warning feeling arise in his 
breast. He tries to ignore it and tells himself that their relationship is beyond jealousy. 
Nevertheless, he does keep an eye open for any signs of danger.
He is not aware that Sue is seeing Jim, but he does notice that her kisses are not as deep as 
before, nor does she give him quite the same look as before and she seems to be a bit distant. 
He senses that something is wrong. Is she seeing Jim, he wonders? He wants to ask, but is 
hesitant. That would show a lack of trust, he thinks. On the other hand, just thinking of the 
possibilities make Bob irritable and distant. Sue notices and begins to wonder if he cares for her 
as much as Jim.
Then after several days a friend tells Bob that that he saw Sue and Jim together. Now he knows 
there is a danger. His feelings were right, but what is he to do? He feels jealous and angry. He 
would like to do physical damage to Jim and in anger demand that she never, never see Jim 
again.
Then he calmly contemplates the situation. He calculates that if he were to overreact that he 
would drive Sue away. He examines his feelings. He loves Sue and definitely is jealous over Jim, 
but now he has do mentally direct that energy wisely.
He thinks that another thing he could do would be to make Sue jealous and see someone else for 
a while. Then he concludes that this is game playing and that if Sue is meant for him he will not 
have to resort to this. It is also a form of deception. He is really interested in Sue and would be 
pretending to be interested in someone else.
He loves Sue and wants to keep her, but knows of no easy solution. Something tells him that if he 
were to pretend that all is well and merely trust Sue to do what is right that he will loose her for he 
knows that Jim is persuasive. But he feels that Sue would be better off with him instead of Jim.
Finally he decides to use his best judgment. He's not sure if he is right or wrong, whether he will 
win or loose her, but he decides to be completely honest. He goes to Sue and tells her what he 
knows and how he feels. Sue is upset and defensive, but finally confesses that she is torn 
between both men. Somehow Bob knew this was going to be the situation and he calmly tells her 
that he wants a total commitment from her for his feelings cannot handle her fluctuating between 
two men. He explains that if he did not want a total commitment he would not be so bothered, but 
he desires a full union with her so she must decide between the two. He makes no demands, but 
merely tells her a decision must be made if the relationship is to continue. He tells her he loves 
her, wants to marry her, but doesn't want to share her romantic emotional energies with anyone 
else.
Sue struggles with her feelings a few days and finally decides to marry Bob. Jim continues to 
compete for her attention, but Sue refuses to place herself in situations where her affectionate 
energy will be diverted from her fiance.
Who can say that Bob was jealous here because he was not highly evolved? Is there anyone who 
would not have some feelings of jealousy in this situation? Probably not. It is a normal feeling and 
whether we he enlightened or not we are all subject to all the feelings in the right situations. Why 
not be honest with ourselves and admit it?
Here is another short example. Mary has been married to Bill for ten years. She loves him and is 
dedicated to the union and comes home early from a vacation and finds Bill in bed with Wanda, 
the next door neighbor. Mary feels anger and jealousy, maybe hatred, but who wouldn't? 
Evolution has nothing to do with it. Sure there may have been some who felt little or no jealousy 
over a spouse cheating but in every case they felt little or nothing for the spouse, period.
CONCLUSION
Jealousy, as with the other emotions, has a negative side. Bob could smother Sue and not let her 
out of his sight, or go to lunch with anyone besides him. He could demand too much of her time. 
He could restrict her freedom. He could monitor all her phone calls and open her mail. The over 
reaction damages the union. But the right action (as in the story) motivated by jealousy can save 
it.
It is really a matter of energies. Wherever there is a disturbance of the interplay of love or desire 
there will be certain negative feelings arise. The most important point is for them not to lead us 
further into deception. This is done by acknowledging the feeling and directing it constructively.
If mankind realized the importance of non deception with feelings the world would be a much 
more open place and none would be ashamed of their emotions. This honest emotional 
communication is a grand key that leads us to a recovery of man's lost estate. As we remove 
layers and layers of deception one by one the walls come down that hide the powers of the God 
within each one of us and the illusion is no more and the light within shines brighter and brighter 
until the perfection of the transfiguration initiation is reached and man may dwell with a visible 
light around his body.
By being honest communicators of our feelings all negativity is neutralized and eventually the 
individual masters circumstances so he can keep his mind centered in the higher love energy 
continually. Then at least for him there will be "Peace on Earth, Goodwill to men."

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6100
From: "Jennifer Hampson" 
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-08-10 of The Keys of Knowledge List
   Rob, you wrote... "I'm finding this guided meditation thing to be almost impossible. And Iget so 
frustrated because I want so bad for it to work.................. Maybe this is too advanced for me?"
   Whatever you do Rob, don't give up. I want you there with us. You make me laugh with your 
directness (ie you call a spade a spade, "and not a bloody shovel" as we charming and articulate 
Australians would say.
(BTW, great office, Marylin!)
Love
Jen

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6101
From: Anni West
Subject: Meditation to NJ
Hi Keysters,
   First of all: thank you for sharing your beautiful experiences with NJ. Normally I think my 
experiences and thoughts are pretty well covered by all of you and I often keep quietly in the 
background like you, Diane. But since JJ has asked us to share our experiences I will try.
   I had no problem coming to the pyramid - in fact it went very fast and I had almost passed the 
angels before I even realized that they were there. I saw that the middle entrance was mine and 
that above it was a symbol. It was a heart with a serpent around it. A serpent that looked like the 
doctors' symbol. I have never seen it before and I was very surprised to see it so clearly. I still 
don't know why I saw it and how to interpret the impression.
   I had been rather nervous about the angels allowing me to get in - I wanted to go with the rest 
of you so badly - and then it all just happened so fast I went straight to my room and I loved it. So 
peaceful and bright. I asked for help to what I needed to put in there, and I instantly got a very 
comfortable big armchair with a kind of control panel on one arm. On the opposite wall appeared 
a big screen and I was told that here I could project myself into any situation I wanted. I could try 
out all the different situations and reactions I could think of, and I could see how other people 
would react to me. A kind of a "virtual reality game". I could stop and rewind if I wanted to change 
something or to try another response. Great thing - I have not tried it yet but I can hardly wait. In 
real life I have a hard time acknowledging and admitting my "bad" emotions and feelings - 
sometimes it takes several hours or even days before I suddenly realize that somebody made me 
angry or hurt my feelings. I know this is stupid but it is not so easy to change. So now I can try out 
different ways to react to others - great! I can let them hurt me and try out reactions to that etc.
   I also have a computer in my room though I have not tried it yet. I don't know what it can do. 
Next to the computer I have a small crystal ball - it is for studying! I just place my hands on it and I 
get texts to read, lectures to listen to or whatever I might need to learn :-) In one corner there is a 
huge amethyst (I love amethysts) - the size of my armchair. Normally it is a crystal but when I 
choose to sit or lie on it, it becomes smooth and soft and shape after my body like a huge purple 
pillow. Here I can rest very well. The room is filled with purple and blue colors and light. (2 colors I 
like a lot). But I can change them to any color that I want.
   Now that I have started babbling I might as well tell you about what happened this morning. 
Every morning I do a color meditation. I relax and bring the colors of the rainbow down on me one 
at a time, I keep each there for a few minutes and visualize it like a shower inside and outside. 
This morning while meditating I suddenly found myself in my room in NJ. The whole room was 
filled with the color I was visualizing and it was just SO intense. Now I have decided to do my 
color meditation in NJ every morning :-)) After coming back to Denmark I still had the feeling that 
my room here was a projection of my room there. It felt strange but true.
   I can't wait to see you all there - caught a glimpse of my working partner the other day - can't 
wait to meet him either!
Love and light to all of you
Anni 

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6102
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: My Meditation Journey - long
   Susi writes: "I was as happy to see them as they were to see me and if I told you that it was 
God and Jesus and four others would you believe me? If I told you that Jesus is my brother and 
we hugged would you believe me? If I told you that they told me that my love, my guardian angle 
and friend was coming to see me because he had heard of my presence you probably wouldn't 
believe that either so I guess I wont tell you ;-)"
   Hey, Susi, I believe you.
Love, Light, Peace and Harmony
Marylin

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6103
From: Kat
Subject: Re: Making The Negative Positive
JJ,
   This is in response to Chapter 17, Making the Negative Positive. I had tried to post this once 
before, but I was still a neophyte as far as this mail server so the posting came out in HTML 
format and was virtually illegible. Maybe it just wasn't time? However, I'd really like to get your 
opinion -- and everyone else's -- on the following, which was something I wrote in response to a 
person who is (according to them), madly in love with me, for for whom I don't share the same 
feelings.. I tried to explain the type of 'Love' I feel for them, but I don't think it was received too 
well. The piece is entitled:
THE MANY FACES OF LOVE
   Love is one of the most elusive and, seemingly, undefinable states of mind and being that 
mankind has had the misfortune to attempt to define. To 'know' Love is not as simple as we might 
believe. Being imperfect humans, our most commonly utilized method of classification seems to 
be in degrees, or levels. However, a more appropriate way to define Love might be by type. 
Therefore, to say "I Love you more than I Love him or her' would not be accurate, while to say, "I 
Love you in a different way than I Love' another, would be closer to the truest definition. Please 
keep in mind that this is only one imperfect human's concept of the most ambiguous and evasive 
feeling any of us could ever 'know.'
   GAIA AMOUR This encompasses our feeling for the Earth and 'Mother Nature', and while being 
the most rudimentary form of Love, is not, by any means, the least. It is, as implied, the root of 
our existence. Without the root, we could not exist.
   ANIMAS AMOUR What we feel for other species, such as dogs, dolphins, etc.
   HUMANIS AMOUR That which we feel for our fellow man, in general, although this can be 
equated with what we know as 'like.' Acquaintances would fall in this category.
   FAMILIAL AMOUR What we feel for our relatives, i.e., parents, siblings, children and other 
relatives, excluding spouses/significant others.
   AGAPE What is commonly felt between those of the same religious belief, such as in 
Christianity.
   AMI AMOUR The feeling we have for a friend.
   BONAMI AMOUR Similar to the feeling we have for a friend, but with more intensity, such as 
what 'blood brothers' or 'sisters' or familial soul mates (not to be confused with our physical or 
eartly family, as in familial amour).
   EROS AMOUR That feeling most commonly known between man and woman, and which 
usually involves erotic or sexual overtones only.
   TANTRIC AMOUR Usually one of the most difficult to access forms of Love, since it involves 
the Spirit. Tantric amour is being 'in love', a combination of being sexually attracted to and having 
a deeply profound ethereal and transcending Love for another. Twin Flames or Souls would also 
fall into this category, although the category is not limited to such.
   DEVINE AMOUR The Love felf for the Creator.
   JJ writes: "Sorrow is negative if we dwell on the past and refuse to be comforted by the future 
good. On the other hand, it is positive when we realize that our future we are building will give us 
more happiness than the past we left behind. When this thought is in our consciousness then we 
can even have happiness in the midst of sorrow."
   Thank you so much for this, JJ. For years I've been struggling with this very issue. One of the 
reasons I haven't been able to feel Love (as in my definition of Tantric Amour) for anyone else, is 
because I'm still very much in love with my husband from whom I've been divorced for the past 20 
years. Yes, I know it's crazy, it seems that I should be over it by now. Too, I've felt so bad 
because of the way it ended, and the fact that I always did and still do love him very much (I was 
the one who left). I've felt a terrible weight, a tremendous Sorrow over this, and haven't been able 
to let go of it, to forgive myself and go on.
Thank you again,
Kat

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6104
From: Travis Tabbal
Subject: Re: Meditation to NJ
   Sheesh... now all you guys are going to inspire me or something. How annoying! :)
   Since JJ sent out the invite, I may as well talk a bit.. I usually lurk, but what the hey. ;)
   I've tried meditation before, I'm not terribly good at it. I can make myself feel "floaty" for a while, 
but I can't usually hold on to it for more then a few minutes. If I try and direct it, I lose it. 
Conscious thought seems to disrupt it.
   I like this feeling, and it is rejuvenating, so I try to do it once in a while anyway. It's very hard to 
describe the sensation. My whole body seems to tingle, and there is little thought, sometimes 
emotions, but never anything serious as it disrupts me for some reason. I see things sometimes, 
most times it's just black. Stuff I see is vague, blurry, and it's hard to tell if it's anything at all.
   I've always had trouble calming my mind. It makes it hard to sleep most nights as well. My brain 
is just going constantly, feels like light speed sometimes, and I can't really control it, at least not 
yet. Many times I will be typing or talking and skip words, or even sentences without noticing until 
later. My mind knows what it wants, but it's like it's frustrated that it can't express itself fast 
enough and refuses to slow down. This could be why the instant I let a thought intrude meditation 
I lose it, my brain starts going nuts again, making up for lost time or something I guess. Many 
times I will analyze everything as well.
   Sometimes I wish I could communicate telepathically, but when I think about it I feel like I would 
probably overwhelm people because my brain wouldn't want to shut up. It's like trying to pour 
water into a hose, you can only go so fast before it overflows. Or running electricity through a 
wire, it only handles so much before it melts.
   This is getting long, so I'll stop now. Does anyone have an idea why this is happening? How to 
control or harness my runaway mind? I've read lots of stuff on meditation, but nothing seems to 
address this. It all assumes the person doing it is able to calm the mind without much hassle. I 
also get a ton of deja-vu, in places I know there is no chance I've been before, it also matches 
circumstances and many times conversations. It's almost like I've done this all already and now 
I'm just repeating it. Like rewinding a movie. In fact, this whole message feels this way..
Travis
Anni West wrote: "Hi Keysters, First of all: thank you for sharing your beautiful experiences with 
NJ. Normally I think my experiences and thoughts are pretty well covered by all of you and I often 
keep quietly in the background like you, Diane. But since JJ has asked us to share our 
experiences I will try."

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6105
From: Travis Tabbal
Subject: Meditation.......
   I'll volunteer to do the tying and dragging! :) I'll let ya loose once we're there though Rick. :)
   Hmmm.. maybe I should get ME there before I try to drag others. ;) Then there's the forcing of 
others involved... perhaps not such a good idea to tie and drag. ;) I think I may have seen my 
room in a dream when I was a child. It just sounds like what those of you who have been there 
are describing. The memory is vague though... I haven't remembered dreams for about 10 years. 
I didn't even remember it till I read some of the accounts... But the little I remember makes it 
seem like a place I went to often, and enjoyed. At the time I thought it was my own little world, 
perhaps I was sharing with more then I realized. I don't remember seeing many people there. But 
I didn't go outside much either.
   What's on the 11th? I'm thinking I missed something.
Travis
Rick Audette wrote: "Y'all sent such good maps and then there's this Aug.11th thing. Maybe we'll 
all get a boost out of it. It's a good excuse for a pep rally, at least. What's everybody doing this 
Wednesday. NJ might be a good place to view the event. Be there if you can :) I know I'll be 
trying."

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6106
From: Brian Weis
Subject: Re: Making The Negative Positive
   Good stuff here.
   JJ does a great job of explaining the "negative" emotions. I just wanted to add that Dan Millman 
teaches that there are only three "negative" emotions: Fear, Sorrow and Anger. All other 
"negative" emotions are different flavors of these three. As JJ said, it is not negative to 
experience these emotions; but choosing to wallow about in them, and dwell upon them, is the 
actual negative activity.
   Another teacher of mine told me that "only the first 5 seconds of Anger is truly anger." After that, 
it is all ego:
   "Why did this happen to ME?!"
   "Can you believe they treated ME like that?!"
   I think you get the picture.
Cheers!
~B.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6107
From: Terrance R Brennan
Subject: OT--Advice to Travis--Meditation to NJ
   Maybe this has nothing to do with it, but are you a Virgo? I am and I have the same problem. 
Plus, we're both males and that means it's naturally harder for us. Hmm. Saying OM over and 
over helps me clear my mind. Smoking, caffeine, or sugar tends to give my mind more energy to 
ramble on.
   Seems we're in the same boat, let's not give up, ok?
Rob

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6108
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: My Meditation Journey - long
Hi Rick
   Just wanted to let you know that the eclipse will be shown real time on The Discovery Channel 
Wednesday at 6:00 am to 9:00 am, eastern daylight time. Then in the evening at 10:00 pm edt 
they will show an hour recap of the eclipse. I, for one, am looking forward to getting up early 
tomorrow morning and putting in a tape to record the event. That is the only way my daughter in 
Canada will be able to see it. They don't get The Discovery Channel in Ontario.
   Since we are still here after August 1 (hee, hee) I reckon we will be here on Thursday too.
   Happy viewing to everyone.
Love, Light, Peace and Harmony
Marylin

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6109
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: My Meditation Journey - long
   "If the world falls to bits, NZ will be the first to go, so watch this space :-))) Love Glenys "
Hi Glenys
   See you in a few hours.
Love, Light, Peace and Harmony
Marylin

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6110
From: Travis Tabbal
Subject: Re: OT--Advice to Travis--Meditation to NJ
   Thanks. I am a Sagitarius, so that's different, I guess as men we have trouble with this stuff. I've 
never been good with visualization, imagination is fine though. I guess that's normal for us 
though. I don't smoke, but I do use a bit more caffeine and sugar then I should. ;)
   Well, good luck then. Hopefully we can meet up in NJ soon. ;)
Travis
Terrance R Brennan wrote: "Maybe this has nothing to do with it, but are you a Virgo? "

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6111
From: Travis Tabbal
Subject: Re: My Meditation Journey - long
   Ahhh... that's what it is. I was wondering what was up tomorrow. Time to program the VCR I 
guess. I don't really want to get up at 4AM to watch it. ;)

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6112
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: Meditation to NJ
   "Does anyone have an idea why this is happening? How to control or harness my runaway 
mind? Rob"
Hi Travis
   You have the same problem I have had for years and years back to the dinosaur days and still 
have today. Darn mind just WON'T shut it's mouth.
   I decided that I was going to take charge and if my mind wants to "jaw" constantly, then I will 
just let it run on like a tape player and direct my conscious mind to the thoughts I wish to think. 
Somehow that doesn't quite make sense ...... hmmmmm......I guess it's like when my oldest 
daughter was 2 years and a jabber box. I got to the point where I would say "uh huh" 
automatically and "turn her off". She was happy exercising her lower jaw and I was happy to have 
my own thoughts. I did make sure to listen in to her though, lest I inadvertently say a shaded yes 
to something I didn't want to. Little ones can really be sharp.
   Other than that I still don't know how to hush my mind.....light bulb.....maybe if I tell it the same 
thing (sort of) that I tell the flies, ie: you don't land on me and I won't land on you", psychology, 
psychology. HELP.....been meditating 30 years and still have a hyperactive mind.
   Now I am dreaming about dolphins.
Love, Light, Peace and Harmony
Marylin

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6114
From: J J Dewey
Subject: Tape
   Someone suggested putting the NJ meditation on tape. This would be an excellent aid for those 
who are having difficulty in visualization.
   You can use your own words to guide you through it and if you listen to it over and over as you 
meditate it will help to program your mind to be a help rather than a hindrance.
JJ

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6115
From: Travis Tabbal
Subject: Re: Meditation to NJ
   Marylin wrote: "HELP.....been meditating 30 years and still have a hyperactive mind."
   30 years? Ouch. Hopefully someone has an answer, I would at least like to make it do 
something useful rather then just sit there and annoy me. ;) Glad I'm not the only one, but if you 
haven't found a solution in 30 years, I may have a bigger problem then I thought. I can "tune out" 
people. To the point where I don't even realize they are there anymore. Some people find that 
annoying when I do that to them.. I can't imagine why. ;) I don't want to tune out my mind though. 
I think that if it's so busy I should be able to do something useful with all that energy.
   Thanks for the reply though. Your messages are always interesting.
Travis

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-11/6116
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Eclipse
Hi Everyone,
   For those who want to do a meditation to coincide with the eclipse, here's a snip from another 
email that lists the times:
   The range of timings I listed for the solar eclipse are all in Universal Time (UT), which is the 
same as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) near London. The eclipse begins in Dublin a few minutes 
after 10:00am in Dublin, and reaches a 93% umbra over Dublin at 10:12am. The shadow of the 
Moon now passes over the Earth until it reaches Karachi, Pakistan, where the eclipse will be 
spectacular at 102% coverage at 12:27pm, also GMT.
   The key point is that for people who want to meditate and make ceremonies for over two hours, 
to link with the entire eclipse as it transits over Eurasia, the times you listed in your message are 
the most exact. However, if shorter meditations are being planned specifically to synchronize with 
10:00am GMT, then it's easier just to reckon by 1-hour time slots:
10:00am GMT London
6:00am EDT New York, Louisville
5:00am CDT Kansas City
4:00am MDT Denver
3:00am PDT Los Angeles
0:00am HDT Hawaii
7:00pm (8/12) JDT Tokyo etc.
   And then adjust for variations from local mean time.
   I would even recommend an earlier start to synchronized meditation, starting at 9:30am GMT, 
and well under way by 10:00. This would give the meditation more time to build intention and 
energy. For example, if a London meditation starts at 9:30, then it has 42 minutes to stroke into 
the flow before the eclipse is over Dublin. After 50 minutes, the eclipse is over London. After 53 
minutes, Paris. And so on.
   I also like to think of the way that the power of the eclipse and the Grand Cross, amplified by 
our thoughts and intentions, could create a kind of standing wave of energy moving across the 
planet from East to West. It is impractical to organize big meditation groups on the West Coast of 
America at 3:00 in the morning. But it is possible to hold various meditations and ceremonies in 
all the American time zones from morning to night, so that the standing wave of energy could be 
maintained and built, and consciously passed from Hawaii to East Asia.
Love
Glenys.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I would like to be a glow worm
A glow worm's never glum.
It's hard to be down hearted
When the sun shines out your bum.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6117
From: "Dave Curtis"
Subject: Re: Meditation to NJ
   I have an over-active mind as well.. I'm glad I do, as I'm sure I wouldn't be as smart as I am if I 
didn't. I wouldn't consider it a curse as much as I would a blessing. If I run into a problem I can't 
solve, my mind will race through about 100 different ways to confront it in about 15 seconds. =) I 
tend to be a relatively good problem solver as a result. It makes it difficult to meditate at times, 
though. I've learned that my imagination is the key to helping me meditate. I'm no good at 
visualization, but my imagination is excellent. (Which is probably why I have such interesting 
dreams...) I'm willing to bet you have a good imagination if you can shut out people so easily. Use 
that in your meditations more. Don't worry so much about 'seeing' what you are meditating, worry 
about 'sensing' what you are meditating. Try and imagine what it would be like to sit in your room 
in NJ. You don't even have to close your eyes to do it. I know how my room looks and feels by 
just thinking about it. Once you pick up on how wonderful it is, your mind will be more than happy 
to direct it's energies towards exploring this blissful place you've arrived. Hope this helps..
- Dave

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6118
From: Kat
Subject: Re: Eclipse
   Thanks for the info on the eclipse, Glenys. I especially loved your little poem about the Glow 
Worm <Big Grin>.
Kat

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-11/6119
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Eclipse
   "Thanks for the info on the eclipse, Glenys. I especially loved your little poem about the Glow 
Worm <Big Grin>. Kat"
   LOL. When I'm experiencing extra pressure (such as in the last couple of weeks) my sense of 
humour seems to become more perverse and quirky. I'm certain it's a coping mechanism.
   Just be thankful I didn't send the long, limerick type poem I sent my somewhat conservative 
work colleagues. I won't describe it except to say it was entitled 'The Farter from Sparta" :-))
   What is really amazing is that I can be like this and still manage to get into the New Jerusalem 
:-))))
   I think God likes limericks and has an offbeat sense of humour.
   May the Sun Shine Wherever You Want it to Today!
Love
Glenys
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I would like to be a glow worm
A glow worm's never glum.
It's hard to be down hearted
When the sun shines out your bum.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6120
From: Kat
Subject: Re: Eclipse
   Glenys, I'd love to read your limerick! And, yes, God, most certainly does have an offbeat sense 
of humour. LOL.
Kat

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6121
From: "Mel's Spirit"
Subject: Re: Problems w/ New Jrslm. Meditation
   I want to thank you Glenys for the advice you gave Rob... it turned out that I might use some of 
the things you mentioned!!
   Thanks again...
   The love and understanding that bond this family is still impressing me...... Just had to tell you 
guys that you are wonderful! I just get emotional sometimes... must be some hormone left over 
from pregnancy!
Mel :)

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-11/6122
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Problems w/ New Jrslm. Meditation
   My pleasure, Mel. I'm glad my suggestions were useful.
   "The love and understanding that bond this family is still impressing me...... Just had to tell you 
guys that you are wonderful! I just get emotional sometimes... must be some hormone left over 
from pregnancy!"
   Well, you'll just have to keep getting pregnant then so you can hold on to that feeling :-))))
Love
Glenys
PS Kat - the limerick's on it's way to you. I daren't post it to the list for fear of immediate 
expulsion! :-)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I would like to be a glow worm
A glow worm's never glum.
It's hard to be down hearted
When the sun shines out your bum.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6123
From: Susi
Subject: Re: Eclipse
   "But it is possible to hold various meditations and ceremonies in all the American time zones 
from morning to night, so that the standing wave of energy could be maintained and built, and 
consciously passed from Hawaii to East Asia."
   Cool ;-)
Many Blessings;-)
Susi Alexander
The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com"

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-11/6124
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Meditation Update
Hi Everyone,
   This is a brief update on the latest events in New Jerusalem. Remember - you heard it here first 
:-)
   I'll spare you all the details this time but I thought you might be interested in the 'guy next door'.
   But before I describe that, let me backtrack a little. I haven't been back to NJ since my first 
meditation which I reported on, except for a brief few seconds a couple of days ago at work. I was 
at my desk, fully engrossed in my work, and suddenly I was in my room communing with the 
energy next door to me. The experience was so intense that I snapped out of it almost 
immediately. I wrote to JJ and told him about it, adding that I had a strong pull to merge energies 
with whoever it was. I added that if I did I wouldn't be telling you lot about it! :-))) Then I see an 
instruction from JJ to the list not to get too carried away at this stage. 'Killjoy', I thought :-)))
   Anyway, I'm not at work today so decided to take some time to further explore this new, but 
familiar energy by going back. I chatted briefly with the Angels at the entranceway (this time 
remembering to thank them for their wonderful service) and with the being of Light who again 
came to greet me. Then I went to my room with the idea of decorating it. But maybe I'm destined 
to be a cosmic minimalist because I wasn't terribly interested in having much there except for a 
few pieces of furniture. This is unlike me as I like my home comforts. (BTW, I related very much 
with you, Anni, having a amethyst geode in your room. I'm quartz mad and especially love 
amethyst. I have several geodes in my home and would have more if I could afford it.)
   So I decided to see what was going on next door. I expected to see someone I didn't know or 
recognize manifesting in his lightbody. But I was very surprised to find it was someone 'in the 
flesh' that I did know - sort of.
   About 25 years ago I had a vivid dream in which a man came to me dressed as a Crusader ie 
wearing a white tunic with a red cross on the front of it. He had blood over the front of it and said 
that he had been fighting a battle on my behalf and had won. He looked very weary but totally 
dedicated to my well-being. I never dreamt about him again but I often thought of him over the 
years as well as the dream. In fact, I think I've looked for him in every man I've met since then as 
the dream was so real that I couldn't believe he was a figment of my imagination, despite the fact 
that I was going through both Jungian and Arthurian stages and told myself that he was my 
animus. Anyway, you've probably guessed by now that it tuned out that he was the guy next door. 
I'm not sure what emotion was the most powerful - my joy or surprise. I asked his name, not 
expecting to be able to pick it up (I hardly ever get names) but he told me straight away that his 
name was Andrew.
   I wanted to talk to him some more but all the keysters (and I *do* mean 'all' - ie including Rick 
and Rob) were gathering in the plaza and were calling for me to join them. So I excused myself 
and went to chat with you for awhile but still looking back to Andrew who was standing at a 
distance watching me.
   When I came back I immediately went to a name book to look up the meaning of 'Andrew' to 
find that it meant 'courageous' which definitely fitted in with my dream and 'enduring' which also 
fitted in with my memory of him. I then decided to check him out in another name book (the one 
you recommended, Rick) and opened the book to read the words 'First Crusader' (although it 
wasn't in relation to his name). I thought that was quite synchronistic. The first book also quoted 
one of my favourite scriptures in relation to him, "The Lord is my light and salvation; whom shall I 
fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?".
   So...there you have it. I won't be sending you these updates all the time but thought some of 
you might be interested in this development. And anyway, the update's your fault for being so 
lovely about my first report :-)
   I'll be back there later in the day during the eclipse and I'll look forward to seeing you all there!
Love
Glenys
PS It looks like I have achieved my 15 minutes of fame via that fine man "The Farter from 
Sparta", such is the large number of requests I've had for a copy of the poem. Who would have 
thought such a windy man could generate such interest :-)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
In the midst of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer.
- Albert Camus

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6125
From: Kat
Subject: The Limerick
   Thanks Glenys. I'm looking forward to reading it! ;-)
Kat

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-10/6126
From: Rick Audette
Subject: My Room
Hi All,
   This is quite the pleasant stir up, we've got going over the idea of visiting New Jerusalem. One 
senses a serious purpose is being undertaken and yet the participants go at it with all the glee of 
a bunch of children at recess :)
   When I was on the Lemuria list, members used to take these excursions to Mt. Shasta, in 
meditations. I wasn't that interested in going or meditating, but said I would send my astral body, 
while sleeping. I never remembered going, afterwards, but some reported seeing me there.
   Now, New Jerusalem is some place I always wanted to see, ever since I read about it as a kid. 
And, now that I hear that it's just as good to use my imagination to get there, I find myself taking 
frequent peeks into my room, at odd moments during the day. Like a kid that got a bike for 
Christmas and can't use it till the snow melts, but goes out in the garage and sits on it, turns the 
handle bars this way and that and carefully wipes off each and every smudge and fingerprint, 
anticipating that glorious spring day when he can take it out for a spin, I'm happy just to stand 
inside my room for a moment and look around. The artificer in me begins to wonder. What is the 
place made of. Surely it is a thought form in the mind of God, but is it also a thing clothed in 
various grades of matter. Can I bring a piece of it back with me? If I open my closet door and get 
out a chunk of clay and sculpt it, can I set it on my desk, in Plano, Texas and have a piece of 
Heaven on Earth? And, it is so comforting and exciting to imagine that the perfect girl, for me, 
lives right next door (long deep sigh). Another thing, that tickles my fancy, is that there is a 
feeling, like when you go to a convention and have checked into your hotel room. They haven't 
started posting the signs in the lobby or decorating the banquet hall yet, but you can already feel 
the festive charges building up, all over the building.
   Here on earth, there is a feeling that the next few weeks are a time for tidying up old business 
and starting on some new, exciting ventures. I'm getting closer to being ready to publish my 3D 
world atlas. The ex and I are negotiating a truce. My daughter is blossoming into a fine young 
adult, sings in the choir, is taking modeling lessons and so far doesn't have any weeknight 
schedule that requires me to play chauffeur. It's so much easier to put up with the old junk, when 
you can see the light on the horizon.
   Gee, I'm not sure there is a point to any of this, just felt like talking some.
Thanks for letting me share,
Rick
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Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-11/6127
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Meditation to NJ - Anni
   Anni West wrote: "A serpent that looked like the doctors' symbol. I have never seen it before 
and I was very surprised to see it so clearly. I still don't know why I saw it and how to interpret the 
impression."
   This is one of the most ancient symbols around, Anni, seen in engravings as far back as 
2,500BC. It's referred to as a caduceus. It is widely regarded as the symbol of Hermes or Thoth. 
Generally, there are two serpents threaded in opposite directions representing the balance of 
polarities. This fits in with the dual symbolism of the serpent - at once a creature of wisdom and 
light and also a creature of darkness and evil. The balance achieved as represented on the 
caduceus also represents Peace. The intertwining has also been likened to the DNA double helix, 
the Tree of Life and Infinity (they form the figure 8).
   I'm sure a good search engine will give you heaps of information if you want to learn more. A 
nice symbol to see, I would have thought.
Love
Glenys
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In the midst of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer.
- Albert Camus

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-11/6128
From: J J Dewey
Subject: The Perfect Being
   To those of you who responded to the Historian position or helper I have not forgotten you, but 
will be in touch when I get a moment.
   Another interesting account Glenys, Rick and others.
   Now let us go a little farther.
   Now you are in your room relaxing enjoying the lingering presence of your partner and you 
sense a vibration from the other side of the wall in the opposite direction. This vibration gets your 
attention because it seems to be of a very high order. You go over to the wall and put your hands 
on it and you sense that a being of great perfection is on the other side.
   You sense great love, intelligence and feeling and part of you very much desires an encounter 
with this person and part of you is a little nervous because the vibration is so high - possibly 
beyond that of a Master. Nevertheless you sense that communing with this entity is something 
you are supposed to do and you give a mental command for the wall to come down.
   The wall seems to evaporate slowly and the image of this person also materializes slowly. You 
are glad because the glory of this being is so great it takes a minute for your eyes and your 
senses to adjust. At first the countenance of this person is a brilliant white, but as you adjust 
he/she seems to look like a normal human being, but with great beauty and perfection. You look 
at this person and he/she seems familiar, but you can't seen to put your finger on it until you look 
in the eyes. As you look in the eyes you realize that you do know this personage and you know 
him/her very well.
   This person is you!
   But not you from the present. Instead it is you from the far future, a you who has reached 
relative perfection and has made a journey back into the far past to give you guidance.
   He/she knows and remembers you well and is acutely aware of every problem you presently 
have and will have in this life. He/she knows this is an important life for you and wants to give you 
some advice and answer any questions you have.
   Your next assignment is to listen to the advice your future self has for you and then you can ask 
any questions you desire.
   Try and ask three questions. If you have three questions this person from the future will 
consider it worthwhile to visit you again.
   Feel free to share your experience.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-11/6129
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: OT--Advice to Travis--Meditation to NJ
   Rob writes: "Smoking, caffeine, or sugar tends to give my mind more energy to ramble on. 
Seems we're in the same boat, let's not give up, ok?"
Hi Rob
   So....another Virgo, the third I know of besides Glenys and myself. Aren't we a bunch? lol
   Now why did you have to mention nicotine, caffeine and sugar? I have been trying and trying to 
deny those things. Yes, I am addicted to all but sugar (I use Sweet N Low instead) still even the 
substitute is now a habit. I made myself a self-hypnosis tape to quit smoking and I have begun to 
drink at least four glasses of water a day but I truly have to want to stop using these crutches. I'll 
bet you are correct that they are the culprits behind my hyperactive mind. Guess I had better 
rethink my silly denials.
   Thanks for the mind "boot".
Love, Light, Peace and Harmony
Marylin

Post No. keys-l: /1999-08-11/6130
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: Meditation to NJ
   Travis writes: "I don't want to tune out my mind though. I think that if it's so busy I should be 
able to do something useful with all that energy.'
Hi Travis
   The main point is that we be persistent. 30 years is nothing compared to a millennium? So we 
put in the good batteries