1999 - WEEK 30 Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5769 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Just Thoughts OT Richard/ Sharon wrote: "Holy Cow, i have been a seeker most of my life, and i won't go into how long that has been, and thought i had gotten a pretty through back ground to bounce into all this, but thanks to JJ, Xaiver, Aley & Glenys, i'm sitting here feeling like Alice in Wonderland, not sure if i'm Alice, one of the twins, but KNOW i'm NOT the smirky Chesire Cat. My thanks to all of you, and those i forgot to name. My mind is spinning, thank you, thank you. love & light, Sharon" Well, it's clear to me from your loving message that you could only be the Queen of Hearts! From my heart to yours Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- In the midst of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer. - Albert Camus Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5770 From: Aley Subject: Re: Just Thoughts OT I smile to myself with your note, I had such a desire to learn, thousands and thousands of books, years of study, cosmology, meta physics, sacred geometry, I seemed to never find and end to wanting to "know". I honestly don't know if it was of any use. In the end I found that there is only the deep understanding of surrender to your "SELF" I think as far as I can "feel" that opens the gate to enough compassion for others and yourself that you can begin to love "self" enough to heal the illusioned separation between "self" and God SELF. I think before I even started I had the answer. I just had to run around the mulberry bush a few thousand times :) Aley PS: The really funny part of it is that I still fall into the proverbial bucket of smelly stuff :) as a matter of fact I just crawled out of one of the smelliest ones I had ever fallen into whilst trying (once again) to save my scared silly ego. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5771 From: Rick Audette Subject: Missing chapter Hi All, I wanted to print out all the chapters of the Molecular Relationship, by JJ Dewey, as one package, so that I could have it to read again and share with friends. Yesterday, I copied and pasted all the text and pictures from the posts and web pages to Word pad. At that point, with the original formatting, it was about 45 pages long and way to many bytes to send a copy, as e-mail, to anybody. I scaled down the artwork, extended the margins and reduced the type to 9 points and got it down to around 25 pages, but it's still bigger than 1 meg, so most servers won't allow it through, unless I zip it up. While editing, I noticed there didn't seem to be a chapter 4. There was, however, a chapter 3 and an un- numbered chapter that was found on the web page, MR3.htm. My guess is that MR3.htm is chapter 4. As many of you know, I like compressing things down to as few words as possible. If you've seen my web page, you know that I even invented my own alphabet, called digiphon, to reduce the number of letters needed to spell words (40 character phonetic alphabet) and the amount of bytes needed to store documents (based on digital characters, used on calculators and digital clocks). I look forward to the day when technology and the advancement of consciousness allows us to dispense with typing altogether and we can all communicate directly, mind to mind. I can see that day coming. L&L, REA -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5772 From: Aley Subject: Re: Missing chapter Rick does this mean it is on your website and we can download it. Aley :) Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5773 From: Travis Tabbal Subject: Re: Missing chapter You have a web site, right? Just put it there, preferably is all it's huge glory.. :) Or, if you don't or can't for some reason, let me know and I'll donate web space to the cause. As long as you don't mind me converting it to an open format. I despise closed formats, it limits my freedom. ;) Travis Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5774 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Fourth Chapter I notice that I did not put the number on chapter four when I posted it. You will find the fourth chapter at: http://www.freeread.com/MR3.htm Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5775 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Mystery of Romantic Energy CHAPTER TEN THE MYSTERY OF ROMANTIC ENERGY Copyright by J J Dewey The correctness and incorrectness of the sharing of sex energies has been a cause of debate for thousands of years. We have covered several principles seeking to bring enlightenment in this area, but the subject must be more deeply explored. Man must correctly understand the right use of this power; without understanding, he always follows the lower way. Another factor making right understanding more complicated is the fact that the right use of sex energy is different for different people at varying stages of consciousness and evolution. The right use for each individual is that highest use which his consciousness can accept. There are four basic ways individuals look at sex: 1. The first way is by one who thinks that the giving and receiving of physical pleasure is natural, and that he should enjoy it with whomever he finds attractive. Such a person will ask himself: "What is the harm in enjoying sex with whomever I want and obtaining physical fulfillment?" His answer is usually, "I can see nothing wrong with it, for I give and receive pleasure." This person receives no great condemnation from his soul for the way he uses sex energy, for he uses it according to the best of his knowledge. Nevertheless, because of natural law, he suffers from feelings of emptiness and lack of fulfillment on the emotional level from time to time, and feels impulses from his soul prompting him to greater discrimination and a more correct use of sex energy. Even though there is emotional sharing, this attitude makes it difficult for this person to merge with the deeper emotional energies. This is the next field of endeavor for him to explore. This person shares the least amount of energy in sex and is therefore able to enjoy free sexual license without affecting his conscience. A basic rule is: The less energy shared in sex, the less discriminating the person need be in its use and selection of partners. The more energy shared in sex, the more discriminating the person must be in its use. If there were no energy shared at all, then there could be no "sin" in pure physical sex. For instance, the animals do not share energies in the way that humans do; thus, they are under no condemnation for their use of sex. The basic point to remember is that sex is not good or evil because of the physical act itself, but because of the manner in which the energies connected with the act are directed. 2. The second way of looking at sex is viewing it with the idea that any sexual relationship is good if romantic love and sharing of emotional feeling are involved. "If no one gets hurt, it's OK" is the general idea expressed here. A person with this viewpoint sees no reason to hold back his or her sexual expression as long as there is a feeling of romantic love between two people. He or she feels that sex for physical satisfaction only, with no love interest, is wrong, but can rarely give a logical explanation as to why. He merely feels that love should be there; somehow it makes it more satisfying. For a person at this stage of thinking, this is the most correct use of sex energy for him. It may be quite fulfilling, but it still leaves him short of full completeness, for a full sharing and union is not accomplished at this stage of thinking. 3. The third attitude toward sex is the black and white view. Sex sanctioned by the church is the only right sex, and sex outside of this sanction is wrong sex, a terrible sin. People at many different levels of consciousness get caught in this rigid way of thinking. For those who are governed by their emotions, this way of thinking can be beneficial to them and lay a foundation for stability and security in relationships. Those who are of higher evolution want logical explanations as to why sex is good or bad in different circumstances and feel as if they are caught in a trap by religious teachings. Those who govern their sex lives purely by black and white religious teachings will also fall short of fullness. One major problem is that they often suffer guilt feelings over many of their sexual desires. A person may desire to experiment with his spouse or find the body of a passing female attractive and feel guilty because he thinks God or his religious authorities would disapprove. This person is always struggling with "temptation" and is never happy with himself. Such a person needs to break his mind free from rigid rules and govern himself by true principles. He needs to understand why something is good or evil and not merely believe a doctrine because someone has told him it is true. Religious teachings generally guide mankind in the right direction, but their virtue is often destroyed by a black and white attitude. "The letter (of the law) killeth, but the spirit (of the law) giveth life." (II Cor. 3:6) 4. The fourth attitude is that of the person who is evolved enough to understand the true principles governing sexual expression. These he understands either because he intuitively perceives them, or has been taught by someone else. In either case, his sexual actions are governed by knowledge and understanding. This attitude is rare indeed in today's world. However, if a clear teaching on the matter gained wide circulation, the number of people in the fourth category would be dramatically increased. The basic physical sex urge in man propels him toward sex because he senses an urge to union, and sex is a symbol of union in the physical world. The higher energies of desire, love and purpose also seek union and true fulfillment only comes when all human energies in the male-female relationship achieve union. It makes sense then that anyone who gains a true knowledge of a path to greater fulfillment will seek with all his energies to achieve it. All persons who have not shared all the energies leading to complete sexual union and fulfillment sense that there is something more available to them, but know not how to find it. On the other hand, once this greater fulfillment is experienced, even once, neither heaven or hell can stop that person from seeking and eventually discovering all the laws of unity. As knowledge is then increased, the numbers of individuals who use sex energy correctly correspondingly increases. The person with the fourth attitude mentioned above understands the sharing principle governing sex and all relationship interactions. To understand the sharing principle, one must look upon all persons as units of desire energy. Each person, male and female, possesses one unit each of solar plexus energy; this is the energy of desire and romantic love. The sharing of this energy must be carefully regulated by law because the wrong dispersal of it creates many of the negative emotions, feelings, and actions of mankind. Feelings of jealousy, anger, and emptiness primarily result when this law is broken and those who suffer these feelings usually have no idea as to the root cause. Each person possesses one unit of desire energy. As long as he or she maintains a complete and full unit of this energy, he will not be afflicted with jealousy, anger or emptiness. For instance, if a person has little association with or desire for the opposite sex and is content to be alone and keep this unit of desire energy all to himself, he will maintain the one unit within him and not suffer jealousy, anger or emptiness because of relationships. When, however, he meets a potential mate he likes, sends out desire energy, and develops a romantic love toward him or her, he finds that he is no longer a complete energy unit. To be complete, the female must send to him the same amount of desire energy that he sends to her. If he does not receive it, he will feel unbalanced and will be forced, sooner or later, by his nature to take his energy back and once again become stable. Let us take Jim, for instance who has been a happy single person for he past five years. He finds himself in a state of balance for he is sending out no romantic energy and keeps his entire unit to himself; that is until Sue crosses his path. He finds her very attractive and after a date decides to go out on a limb and send her 25% of his emotional unit. She is not interested and does not return it. Jim then feels out of balance for a few weeks until he gets the message that she is not interested and gradually draws it back in. Jim may not realize it but it is not his destiny to remain single. A short time later he meets Betty and bravely ventures forth 25% of his romantic energy again. This time the reaction is different. Betty is attracted to Jim and returns the energy with a risky 50%. Now she is the one taking the chance because she is giving 50% for 25% and if she does not draw more energy out of Jim she will feel out of balance. Jim, on the other hand, feels great. He adds 25% of her 50% to the 75% he already kept inside him and he now has his 100% stable unit with a 25% surplus to play with should he decide to venture forth some more energy. The truth of the matter is Jim felt burnt by Sue and he is hesitant to let down any more walls so he keeps his sending energy at 25%. On the other hand, Betty is beginning to feel short-changed and unstable for she only has her 50% plus Jim's 25% (that he is sending) or a total of 75% of her unit. She now reaches a point where she must draw more out of Jim or end the relationship so she tells Jim: "Either we get serious about each other or we're history." That does it. Jim wakes up. He likes Betty and does not want to loose her. He increases his energy output to 75% and Betty responds likewise. That is enough to do the trick. They then spend the next several years sharing between 60-80% of their energy together, always trying for that 100% but never quite achieving it. They are both afraid to let down those last few walls. Then comes a time when Sue bounces back into the picture. Now she cannot have Jim she finds him attractive and sends him 25% of her energy. Jim and Betty are both sharing around 80%, but Jim is flattered and returns to Sue her 25% plus another 15% for a total of 40%. Now he is only sending Betty 40% and she feels a definite void and asks Jim: "Is there another woman?" "Of course not," he responds. "That is your imagination." He says this halfway believing it because physically he has been completely faithful. He does not realize that he has robbed Betty of her energy. While Jim is leaking out energy to Sue, Bob (a family friend) picks up on Betty's need for emotional support and invites her to lunch. He's always liked her as a friend, but never felt impressed to show her romantic attention until now for he feels her need for energy. He accepts her 40% and sends her 80%. She responds by withdrawing the remaining 40% from Jim and sending an entire 80% to Bob. They immediately have an affair. Now Jim is beside himself. He has a 15% overflow to Sue and 40% to Betty. 55% of his energy is missing. When Betty is late getting home from work that night he is suspicious. He questions her. She is defensive. He knows something is wrong and does not want to lose her. He becomes desperate. He withdraws the 25% from Sue (which causes her to feel strangely out of balance) and pleadingly sends an additional 10% from within he has never given her before. He is now sending Betty 90% and getting back 0%. He is devastated and almost looses his will to live unless he can get her back. Since we have put our point across let us make a long story short. Jim and Betty patch up their marriage, but because of guilt and pain they are both hesitant to share more than 60% of the energy unit for some years to come. Jim never does realize that his "innocent" yielding to Sue by sending her some of his feelings was the indirect cause of the whole crisis to the marriage. All he can think of is: "Why did Betty do this to me?" On the other hand, Betty is not without responsibility. She could have resisted Bob and put her energy into restoring balance, but she would have never had the temptation from Bob if Jim had not taken energy that was rightfully hers. Let us point out the key to romantic stability which is this: Each person has one unit of romantic energy and when the sharing of that energy begins, the amount shared must be returned to maintain peace and stability. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5776 From: Nelda Manning Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-07-23 of The Keys of Knowledge List I was drawn here as the lemmings to the sea. Your knowledge is great. I do have one question, do the words, do over, and, what if, strike anyone as words to be avoided, Long time from now, no doubt.. I have been lurking for sometime. I will continue to do so. I am a seeker, you are all so rich, sometimes I need insulin.(this is a compliment) Do what you do, it is not what I do, different path, but you have the hang of it. Hopefully, someone here understands, if not? so what>>> thanks for the enlightenment. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5777 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-07-23 of The Keys of Knowledge List Hi, You didn't sign a name at the bottom of your post, so I'll assume you are Nelda. So Nelda, thank you for your kind words. (I like the insulin thought :) As for your question, if the words "do over" or "what if" were to be avoided, I would have been going about things the wrong way for most of my existence. What strikes me about these words is that, among others, they are words used by children. And it is as a child that we shall enter into the kingdom of God. Not a bad thing in any regard. And perhaps over some period of time, or experience, we may grow up in that kingdom and no longer have use of such words, but I'm in no hurry. And I certainly don't see myself growing out of them in the next week or so. :) I get the impression that you are one who learns both from the wisdom AND the folly of others. As such, you are certainly in a good place. May your days be filled with the joy of grandeur and the grandeur of simplicity. With Blessings, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5778 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-07-23 of The Keys of Knowledge List Hi Nelda, As a mechanical designer, the words, "do over" and "what if" are a regular part of my vocabulary. To be a skilled creator, I have to be able to look at what hasn't worked in the past and find better ways to do things and I have to use my imagination to look into the future for things that have yet to be designed. I don't think using those phrases is immature. If anything, it takes a commitment to excellence to dare to use them. What would be an improper use of the concept would be to get hung up with trying to undo the past or to have a desire for something in the future which just can't be had. When a supervisor comes to me, ranting and raving about some feature that isn't working in my design, I collect the data needed and then inform them that any additional complaints will do nothing to undo what has already been done and that both our energies will be better spent if applied only to the work of doing it over. With our time wisely spent, and the product shipped on time, they are more likely to remember me for my skill and cooperation than for my screw up. Hugs, Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5779 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Missing chapter "Rick does this mean it is on your website and we can download it. Aley :)" Would that I had that much room left on my website. I'm right at my limit on the site I have, but may look into some of these large free sites that are offered all over the net. I had only collated the chapters so that I could print them out to share with local friends and family and made mention of it here, so that if others were also making their own copies, they would not wonder where chapter four had got off to. It is easy enough for anyone to copy the text and graphics from the posts and web pages, so I won't explain it. It is also easy for anyone with the time and available web space (and permission from the author) to put them on the web, so that many others might learn from them. I think the world needs to know, and would certainly provide all the links I could to such a page. I know that there are many on this list that are eager to serve mankind. I think we will create many wonderful things on this list and our many hands will make Light the work of spreading the good news. Anyone wishing to snatch up this or other projects should coordinate their efforts with the initiator, to present the idea in it's best form without duplication of each others work. I know, from my own participation in various projects with JJ and other members, that the time spent will be a great pleasure and will be appreciated greatly by the Hierarchy and by the whole of mankind. Thank you, in advance, for your time. love, Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com "odds are in your favor, you're gonna get there, sooner or later." Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5780 From: Rick Audette Subject: odds words (OT) ODDS ARE IN YOUR FAVOR The odds are in your favor You're gonna get there sooner or later Whatcha mean, to me you say at first Well, I guess by now you've felt the thirst That is to say, the time will come When you'll be feeling we all are One And you'll be wanting to know What's going on Are you getting a message Or being put on And when you come to the fork in the road Will you take the right path, or fail the goal I wish I could help you sail your boat But I've got mine to keep afloat But the odds are in your favor You're gonna get there sooner or later Rick -- ICQ 19753992 Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-26/5781 From: J J Dewey Subject: Three Keys to Happiness CHAPTER ELEVEN THREE KEYS TO HAPPINESS KEY ONE - COMMUNICATION Copyright by J J Dewey There are three basic keys to happiness in any relationship; they are communication, giving, and trust. These three simple ingredients can lead the way to great happiness for anyone. It is important to contemplate the root source of happiness. It can be summed up in one sentence: Interaction with others that leads to unity. No one has ever been truly happy in relationship who has not had a hope of unity or union with others. The first union that needs to be established is within the individual: the union of the personality with the soul, or the lower self with the higher self. When man communicates, gives to, and trusts the soul and subjects the personality to it, he takes a major step toward joyousness, and truly then begins to consciously seek merging and oneness with others. Let us briefly discuss the three keys mentioned that lead to happiness in a relationship: COMMUNICATION Communication is the most important of all the keys, for it is the foundation upon which the other two are built. Contemplate this sentence for a moment: If any two people truly communicate, they will be one, for all disagreements are caused by a failure to communicate. All unhappiness in any relationship can be traced back to a failure to communicate by one or both parties. When we examine common problems that occur in a marriage relationship, we can always discover a lack of communication. A divorce is, in the last analysis, a statement by one or both parties that says: "If you had communicated to me before I married you what is communicated to me now, I would have seen that our relationship wouldn't work." There is one other rule we must take into account: People can communicate with each other only to the degree they have learned to communicate with their souls. Those who have had no soul contact will find that every communication they give or receive will have some deception in it. Words themselves veil true meanings and to have true communication, one must "read between the lines" or learn to look beyond the literal meanings of words. An example of a communication problem is: A Catholic and a Protestant have a child who has become old enough to go to church. The two get into a heated disagreement over which religion he is going to raised in. This disagreement shows a lack of communication in three areas: a) Premarital: The couple should have communicated these feelings before they were married and reached an agreement then. Perhaps communication at that time would have caused each of them to seek elsewhere for a marriage partner. b) Communicating each other's current feelings: If they truly understood each other's feelings, they would be willing to compromise and reach some agreement in the interest of the child - providing they both have the interest of the child at heart. c) Communication with their souls: If they had true understanding, they would realize that in the end, it would not make a lot of difference which church the child started with, especially if the parents teach him the basic virtues found within both churches. A second example: Joe likes to play cards with the boys every Wednesday night, and Mary does not like this, for she says she wants him to spend more time alone with her. Joe becomes upset because he feels restricted and nagged, and Mary is upset because she feels lonely and rejected. Again, Joe's need to spend time with his friends as well as Mary's need for companionship should have been communicated before they were married. It may have made a difference in their decision to marry. On the other hand, it is possible that a little communication in the present will solve the problem. Does Mary really need Joe home every night or does she just want more attention and security in their relationship? Is it possible that "I want you home tonight" is a deceptive communication? Is she avoiding saying what she means because of fear of rejection and hurt? Is she really saying "I want to be more a part of your life. I want you to think I am important and if you made me feel that way, I wouldn't feel insecure if you left for an evening"? Perhaps Joe thinks Mary is very important but has not communicated it to her. Perhaps it has been years since he bought her flowers, or wrote her a sweet note, or told her how much he cared for her. Communication leads the way to the fulfillment of both their needs. A major cause and effect of discord in relationships is arguing. All arguments are caused by a lack of communication. A good marriage counselor can sit between almost any two people having an argument, explain in different words what the other party means, and the argument will usually cease because the other's point of view is then understood. As long as both parties are receptive to communication this can be done. Arguments have two basic causes: 1. The two have a different interpretation of various words used in the argument. This different interpretation has not been communicated. 2. The two are seeing from different levels of vision. No two levels of vision are exactly the same, but a real problem occurs when one of the arguers sees only on the emotional level and the other sees on the mental. The mental person must step down to the feeling world to reach agreement with the emotional person. It is very seldom one can get a person who is polarized in the emotions to follow a course of pure logic. One would be surprised at how many times cause 1 occurs. Usually when this happens, both parties actually believe the same way, but have a different use of words. Here's an example: JOHN: Every time someone communicates, he is teaching in one way or another. MARY: Do you mean that any time someone says anything, he is teaching? JOHN: Yes. MARY: That cannot be right. I have had many people speak things to me that did not teach me anything. In fact, many things were completely untrue. JOHN: Even if the communication is untrue, there is some fact conveyed. MARY: Let's take an example. I take a bite of a steak and I say "This is delicious", but you take a bite and don't like it. How does your communication teach me anything? It is only right for you because I think the steak is good. JOHN: Nevertheless, I related to you the FACT that that is my opinion. My opinion may not be true in your eyes, but it is a fact that it is my opinion and I taught you what I think. MARY: But your opinion was nothing useable so I was not taught anything. JOHN: It doesn't matter whether you use it or not. I still taught you my opinion. MARY: You did not teach me anything. Your opinion wasn't even true from my point of view. The problem here is that John and Mary are using a different definition of the word "teach". John thinks that to teach is to relate any fact so it is understood, whether it is useful or not to the other person. Mary thinks that there is no teaching accomplished unless the person receiving the communication receives data he can use in his life. Even though John's opinion may not be true to Mary, it is still a fact that it is his opinion. He related the true fact of the way the steak tasted to him. In relating this fact to Mary, he was teaching by his definition. By Mary's definition, he was not teaching because she didn't care what he thought of the steak. It was not useable knowledge to her. The two will argue till doomsday and never reach agreement on this point until they agree on a common definition of the word "teach". If they go to the dictionary and use the most accepted definition and abide by it, then they will find that they agree with each other after all. Perhaps they could arrive with two different terms to define what they felt about teaching. For instance, to teach would be the communication of any fact, useful or not, but an "effective teacher" would fit Mary's idea of one who communicates useful information. Once they have defined their terms, they have no need to disagree unless one party is just plain stubborn. Perhaps we can now see the truth of the following rule: "If two people agree on their definitions, and communicate on a logical basis, they will always reach some point of agreement." The second cause of arguments is that of seeing from different levels of vision. Some arguments from this category are over such things as capital punishment, religion, abortion, equal rights, racism, etc. If two people are arguing over an emotionally charged subject, then one may know that one or both members in the discussion is emotionally polarized. If both members stay on the plane of the mind, they can stay calm even in discussing such emotional subjects. Thus, we have two basic types of arguments in this second category: a) Emotional verses emotional, and 2) Emotional verses logical. Here we have an example of emotional verses emotional: DON: All men are created equal. Blacks are just as good as you or I. RON: I never met a black I liked. They are all lazy and want to live off the white man. They ought to be sent back to Africa. DON: You're a racist pig if I ever met one. Ron then takes a punch at Don. Notice that neither of the two men use any intelligent reasoning. Now we will examine an emotional verses a logical argument: DON: All men are created equal. Blacks are just as good as you or I. JOHN: It depends on what you mean by equal. In reality, no two people are alike. DON: You sound like a racist to me. JOHN: A racist is someone who does not believe in equal rights for the different races. I do believe in equal rights so how do you get the idea that I am a racist? DON: You do not believe that blacks are equal. JOHN: I said that I don't believe that any two people are equal, or exactly alike. By that I don't mean that they are not Equal In RIGHTS. I'm talking about ability and personality. You didn't seem to be listening. You and I are not exactly equal, or alike. For instance, I can run faster than you, and, at present, there is nothing you can do about it. DON: Do you believe that the black is equal to the white? JOHN: He should be equal in rights, but in other ways one race will differ from another. For instance, I think that blacks are better basketball players than whites on the average, but, on the other hand, fewer of them are good hockey players. DON: It sounds to me like you're a racist. JOHN: It sounds to me that we had better pin down your definition of a racist so we can talk intelligently. Notice that Don thought John was a racist because he did not speak from the same feeling level as he did. John was exasperated because he was trying to speak logically to an emotionally polarized person. If Don could shift his angle of vision to the world of reason he would see that John does not LOOK at other races as being not as good as his own. Instead he is trying to examine differences in a logical manner. There is one other cause of disagreements and this is illusion. Illusions are caused by wrong core beliefs in a person's thinking. All beliefs that branch off this core belief may seem completely logical and sound if the core belief is unexamined. But when the core belief is seen in the light of the mind, the illusionary nature of the branch beliefs are readily seen. If one person believes that man is basically evil and another believes he is essentially good, then the two will disagree again and again on the branch beliefs. To reach harmony, they must both trace their branch beliefs back to the core belief and examine them under the light of reason. Only high mental thinkers will be able to do this. Emotionally charged people can never trace their beliefs back beyond the point of where their mind currently has its attention. We can begin to see that true communication is difficult to achieve, but when it is we will be amazed at how simple, yet joyous it is. There are two types of communication: (1) Deceptive communication. This hides the whole truth, consciously or unconsciously, and, in the end, creates restlessness and pain. (2) Honest communication. Here the feelings and thoughts are conveyed as accurately as possible. This leads to joyousness and peace. Some may argue that a certain amount of deceptive communication is necessary because "the truth hurts," but what is not realized is that the truth only hurts when it follows a deceptive communication. Let us say that a man is unfaithful to his wife and doesn't want to tell her of the affair he is having because it will hurt her. Thus, he tells himself that he is doing right in deceiving her; but what he doesn't consider is that he had to give her many deceptive communications before a secret affair could even take place. If he would have communicated fully with her from the beginning, he would have avoided producing the circumstances that create the hurt. Deception to avoid hurt only becomes necessary when a foundation has been laid by previous deception. Honest communication is difficult for people because of two fears: 1) The fear of hurting others and 2) the fear of becoming vulnerable and hurting oneself. Both fears are illusions in this upside-down shadow world. The truth is the opposite of the way most people think. Hurt is caused by lack of communication or deceptive communication - not honest communication. Honest communication only hurts when it exposes deceptive communication. Every man and woman will admit that they want someone they can really communicate with. Each person has a strong inward longing for real communion with another. How can we achieve this? How can we let down the walls and let our thoughts and feelings flow unchecked without fear of pain? As long as one is polarized in the world of feeling and allows emotion to govern his decision making, he will never communicate without some degree of deception, for his emotional self greatly fears pain for himself and others and deceives to avoid it. To achieve true communication, even on an emotional level, one must raise himself up to the plane of the mind and subject the emotions to mental control. The mind realizes that pain is a part of life. that some of it is inevitable, and accepts the fact that some of it will come his way. Because the mind accepts pain, it does not fear it. The mental person can be more honest in communication because he does not deceive to avoid pain. He can then subject the emotions to the mind and command the emotions to express themselves in fullness. The mind also controls itself and expresses itself honestly, provided it is not under an illusion. No two people can truly be one until the mind assumes control in the relationship and there is communication without deception from beginning to end.; there will be no big hurts even if the two were to separate, but in a relationship of true communion, separation is rare. Establishing true communication where it previously did not exist takes a great degree of aggressive energy. Honest communication does not occur among emotionally polarized people by "going with the flow". The natural flow of direction the emotions lead a person is usually in the opposite direction of the mind. That is why the mind must assume control and literally force communication, as much as will be allowed. When all channels are opened up and a free flow of energy established, then true communication will be the natural state. To learn honest communication, one must examine every thought expressed by himself and others, and look for deception in thoughts unexpressed. The speaker must constantly ask himself, "Have I truly communicated my thoughts in what I just said? Does the listener know how I feel about the subject?" If the answer is "no", he should seek to make himself clearer. Example: John is starting up a new business and Joan seems eager to help him succeed. She is helping him with the books, answers the telephone and runs errands. The time comes, however, when Joan seems to lose interest and John finds that he has to badger her to get her to help him. He says to Joan: "Joan, have you lost interest in the business? What's the matter?" "Nothing's the matter" replies Joan. (Deceptive communication. Obviously something is the matter). "Do you not think our business will succeed or what?" "I suppose it will if you work at it hard enough" "What do you mean if I work it? The business is ours, not just mine." "Ours?" she says coldly. "It is no concern of mine. I've got a lot of other concerns to keep me busy. I'm tired and I'm going to bed." Joan then rises and walks off to the bedroom. John is baffled by her behavior. Every sentence Joan has spoken here has been deceptive. She did have a problem. She teaches an aerobics class and wanted John to show some interest in it, but he ignored her completely. He also made no comment when she lost ten pounds and her figure improved. Her feelings are deeply hurt. She is afraid to communicate her exact feelings for fear she will be patronized by John and hurt more deeply. Thus, she suppresses her feelings, but suppressed feelings do not die . . . they grow. Joan's feelings grow into an unconscious attack on John. She strikes at John by ignoring his business in the same way he ignored her. The problem is that now she has John upset, the two suffer a loss of affection and the channels of communication are cut off more than ever. At this point the solution to the problem must come from John. Joan is so upset that she is in a feeling state only and does not want to even think about the problem or solution. John must ask himself what he did to hurt her. He must retrace his steps to the first sign of discord. What was the original thing he did to hurt Joan? Was it the aerobics class? He can see signs of how he hurt her by examining how she tries to hurt him. If he can guess accurately and approach Joan with the real problem and show a willingness to solve it then the lines of communication can be reopened. It would have made everything much easier, however, if Joan had not been deceptive in the first place. When the hurt first occurred she should have said: "John, do you realize how it makes me feel when you ignore projects that I am interested in while, at the same time, I am showing interest and enthusiasm for things you like? It makes me feel like you are the only one that counts in this family and that nothing I do matters. It makes me feel like not even helping you in the business." "I didn't realize I was ignoring you. I guess I've had a lot of things on my mind." "How would you feel if I dropped all interest in your business and acted like I didn't give a damn?" "I'd feel pretty bad. I depend a lot on you," said John. "I want to depend on you too," said Joan. "I need your support." "I'm sorry honey, but I'll tell you this. From now on you're going to see a big improvement." Here we see that honest communication would have prevented any major hurt and alienation from taking place. Fortunately, John was yielding and willing to give in to Joan's communicated needs. This willingness to give is the second ingredient which creates happiness. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5782 From:Marylin Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-07-23 of The Keys of Knowledge List Hi Nelda Glad to see a different name again. I get the impression that at times you could add to whatever we are talking about. I do hope you will post now and then. All views are valid. We do all travel a different path but it is also "still the straight and narrow" back to the One Thought/Source/Father /God / Creator. Hope to hear from you again. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5783 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-07-23 of The Keys of Knowledge List Rick Audette writes: "With our time wisely spent, and the product shipped on time, they are more likely to remember me for my skill and co-operation than for my screw up. Hugs," The rain in Spain is mainly in the plain. He's got it. He's got it. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5784 From: Marylin Subject: Re: odds words (OT) Hey Rick This should be put to music. It would make a grand song in these times because of the strong message it carries. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5785 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: odds words (OT) It is and if you play the chords D-A-G-D one measure per chord and recite the words, I bet you'll discover the melody comes to you naturally. If you have a chord organ with a drum section, use an upbeat, folk rock rhythm. The melody starts on the A note and stays within the D octave surrounding it. I'd send a wave file, but they get big fast and hard to send in the mail. Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5786 From: Marylin Subject: Re: The Mystery of Romantic Energy J J Dewey writes: "Each person has one unit of romantic energy and when the sharing of that energy begins, the amount shared must be returned to maintain peace and stability." Hi JJ and all I have found this chapter to be very, very informative and using the ever so clear hindsight can now see where and how a lot of problems developed. However, it seems to be that this energy is not restricted to romantic love only, but includes the love of a mother to her children, or in my case, grandmother to grandsons. I can see now how the "pulling" back and forth is created. These are a different type of problems, but from the energy point of view, not so different. This could also apply to life long friends and siblings. Maybe could you expand on this? I seek to understand. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5787 From: Marylin Subject: Re: odds words (OT) Rick Audette writes: "If you have a chord organ with a drum section, use an upbeat, folk rock rhythm " I guess I will just have to go out and get one. We had one for years but it wore out with so much use. I am going to find a way somehow to "hear" that melody. Thanks for sending the cords, Rick. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5788 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Missing chapter "Rick does this mean it is on your website and we can download it. Aley :)" Rick wrote: "Would that I had that much room left on my website. I'm right at my limit on the site I have, but may look into some of these large free sites that are offered all over the net." Hello All! :) My name is Samu, and I come in Peace. Take me to your leader. :D :D Hey hey, how is everybody? :) I've been silent for a while as I've been enjoying my summer holiday, done a little bit of traveling and seeing places, experienced that which wise people call life :) Have had many kinds of days, and it's all been fueling my inner fire in the long run :) I've been tremendously enjoying reading from everybody, you beautiful people, and I am very glad to see many new names appearing on the list. Warmest welcome to All! JJ, like many others, The Molecular Relationship has almost left me speechless... :) It's sooooo good! There's so many things I've been contemplating all my life, on many levels and often non-verbally (whatever that means:), and here I see it in wonderfully written format. I know I will have to read the writings thru many times to grasp the full magnitude, but I say a humble thank you JJ for being such a great carrier of Light. Namaste Brother :) As I was reading the post from Rick, I decided to be a useful young fella and created links in correct order to every chapter of The Molecular Relationship that JJ has posted so far, and along with the rest of the Archives I will be updating the list as JJ is sending new chapters. I have not copied the 2 chapters that had graphics on them onto my web page, but have linked up the ones on JJ's freeread pages. I was thinking of creating *one* webpage where you could find all the chapters, but I wouldn't do it without JJ's permission, as these are his writings, and I would assume you JJ are going to publish the full text on your own page and/or in printed format later. But if one page where new chapters would be added as they're being sent sounds like a good idea to you JJ, let me know and I'd be happy to create such a page for the profound and important Molecular Relationship. Right now, the links to all the chapters can be found at: http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/JJArchives.htmlTheMolecularRelationship I hope some of you find this useful :) Okay, I'll be going now, but am sure I'll be back to my more regular contributor mode now :) I wish all my friends the best of days! May your lives be filled with wonder! :) PeasnLuv, Samu Ps. I was very saddened to hear and see on tv how Woodstack 99 ended... But enjoyed watching all the great bands playing. I just wished the festival had ended on a little more positive note (yes, pun intended:) chasethedogstarovertheseahomewheremytrueloveiswaitingformeropethesouthwind Samu Karlsson samu3@dlc.fi samu.karlsson@norpe.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 "Just remember not to forget and you'll be fine... but you already know this, don't you?" canvasthestarsharnessthemoonlightsoshecansafelygoroundthecapehorntovalparaiso Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5789 From: (Richard/ Sharon) Subject: Welcome OT Hi Nelda, you are a very welcome addition to the family, you will find remarkable teachings here and a terrific family. love & Light, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5790 From: (Richard/ Sharon) Subject: Welcome back home, Samu, you have been missed. the force is feeling strong again, but where oh where is Anni? love, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-30/5791 From: (Richard/ Sharon) Subject: OT Samu's web page First let me beg forgiveness for leaving the subject line blank in my previous post, everything happens for a reason, so i must look into this. Second, and most important, thank you, Samu for your web page, you don't know how it helps me, WebTV can save some emails, but there is a limit and i didn't want to lose any of these chapters as i am going to need several readings to absorb everything. So, darlin' Samu, you have done me (and, i am sure, many others a great favor) Thank you and BIG HUGS on your returning to us (i can almost see te big grins on the faces of John & Glenys) Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5792 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Missing chapter "Ps. I was very saddened to hear and see on tv how Woodstack 99 ended..." Man what a typo I managed to introduce up there... Woodstack... Hehe :) Finding his fingers, Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5793 From: "David Curtis" Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness J J Dewey writes: "I'm sorry honey, but I'll tell you this. From now on you're going to see a big improvement." I have to laugh at this, not because I disagree, but because I don't know very many men that would be able to get far enough beyond their ego to just give in to the woman's needs. If my wife were telling me these things, I would feel attacked myself, and I would immediately jump into defensive mode. I am a part of a failing marriage, though. So perhaps my bottled up feelings towards her would put me into defensive mode, rather than allowing me to rationally think out the situation. - Dave Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5794 From: Ananda Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness Dear family Ananda and I now conduct Workshops based on "Living "ON" Purpose through Inner Guidance" If you would like to receive an email attachment with the details, simply send an email to: Workshop@innerguidance.com Love you ALL Dearly Ananda & John John and Ananda will be appearing at the WholeLife Expos in Cleveland on: September 24th, 25th, and 26th, and in Phoenix on October 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Go to: http://www.wholelife.com for details Spiritual Counseling http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/2610/ ICQ 18186651 - John ICQ 29009590 - Ananda Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5795 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Re: Three Keys to Happiness Ahem! I am not the list operator, just a member. This message above is plain advertising, and this is plainly forbidden by the rules of all mailing lists on spiritweb. The point above is only about law, and who cares, what counts is the spirit of the law. Concerning IT, I am annoyed by an ad such as this one. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5796 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Missing chapter "Hello All! :) My name is Samu, and I come in Peace. Take me to your leader. :D :D" "Hey hey, how is everybody? :" hhaha! Now judging by the size of your hair (email-me pic of your site) you belong to the tribe of human beings;-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5797 From: Nelda Manning Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-07-27 of The Keys of Knowledge List John and Rick, Thank you for the words and the acknowledgment. Quote, " It is as a child we enter the kingdom of heaven." It is also as a child we exited(left) the kingdom of heaven. The key is within us all. Zia (one hopes she finds what she seeks) knew but she could not put her finger on it. But, a warning,( this is not a doom gloom, however, the closer you get, the more alienation grows.) Corinthian's 13, holds so true. I am not a Bible thumper, though the message is real. There is only one truth. The illusion is perfect, it could not have been anything less. I am not here to get off topic. you have your search. I will only post again if it pertains to the topic. However a few choice words, which are not mine , but do apply Stanzas concerning an ecstasy experienced in high contemplation. *** I entered into unknowing, and there I remained unknowing transcending all knowledge. *** I entered into unknowing, yet when I saw myself there, without knowing where I was, I understood great things, I will not say what i felt for I remained in unknowing transcending all knowledge. *** That perfect knowledge was of peace and holiness held at no remove in profound solitude: it was something so secret that I was left stammering, transcending all knowledge. *** I was so 'whelmed, so absorbed and withdrawn, that my senses were left deprived of all their sensing, and my spirit was given an understanding, transcending all knowledge. *** He who truly arrives there cuts free from himself: all that he knew before now seems worthless, and his knowledge soars that he is left in unknowing transcending all knowledge............. *** St. John of the Cross Name sure sounds familiar. (There is no disrespect meant here.) U= It has been a long time. I value all of you highly. You are my family. I know I am different, but are not we all? Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5798 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness David Curtis wrote: "[From JJ] "I'm sorry honey, but I'll tell you this. From now on you're going to see a big improvement." "have to laugh at this, not because I disagree, but because I don't know very many men that would be able to get far enough beyond their ego to just give in to the woman's needs." Hi Folks, I might just as well jump headlong into the fire on this. As I have been considering this last installment of the "MR", I took notice to one dynamic that may just have had some of the ladies here on the list a little uneasy. If not, then get ready, you may get an uneasy feeling here in a minute. But this is a point which I believe could elevate some of the pressure that is felt when disagreements of pole "opposites" (not really opposites) occur. From JJ: "A major cause and effect of discord in relationships is arguing. All arguments are caused by a lack of communication. A good marriage counselor can sit between almost any two people having an argument, explain in different words what the other party means, and the argument will usually cease because the other's point of view is then understood. As long as both parties are receptive to communication this can be done." And Then Again: "Arguments have two basic causes:" "2. The two are seeing from different levels of vision. No two levels of vision are exactly the same, but a real problem occurs when one of the arguers sees only on the emotional level and the other sees on the mental. The mental person must step down to the feeling world to reach agreement with the emotional person. It is very seldom one can get a person who is polarized in the emotions to follow a course of pure logic." Ok, I'd like to tackle this as unconfrontationally as possible. But I will say ahead of time that what I'm about to point out may fly in the face of those more polarized in the male, "logical" mind, and may cause that "uneasy" feeling I mentioned earlier in those of the opposite, "emotional" polarity. Now, to follow JJ's advice, and good advice it is, I'll clarify the definition of some terms and ideas before going on. The first is balance. Jesus is quoted as saying, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the Children of God". Now when I consider the idea of balance within ourselves, I think in terms of a balanced individual who has the ability to consider ANY two (or more) "levels" or polarities and find a "balance". Not giving more weight to one side or the other, but just like JJ's "good marriage counselor", simply staying adept to any two points of view and easily clarifying and understanding the "terms" being used by the seemingly opposing poles. And as was noted, this will generally end the conflict, which never really existed in the first place, beyond the misunderstanding of terms. Now, the dynamic I would like to point out comes from this one statement by JJ. (I'm aware of the possibility of 'taking things out of context', but I assure you, I have the entire context squarely in mind) "The mental person must step down to the feeling world to reach agreement with the emotional person." I have to say that this statement comes exceedingly close to "unbalanced", even to the point where I'd say this dynamic may well be the cause of many relational differences that result in splits. And it's not that I entirely disagree that the energy of logic can indeed clarify terms and cause an ease of disturbance, but I submit that the most matured position of operation, even purely from logic, must bring us to the place where we "logically" accept that we are not "stepping down" to reach the emotional thinker. (I hope all you logical thinkers aren't frothing just yet on this. It gets worse :) I see it as abundantly clear that God does not consider His logical thinkers as being on a higher plane than His emotional thinkers, any more than considering the Son to be lower than the Father, or Spirit. I'd further submit that even though the Son "made himself to be less than the Father", from biblical lore, it was not this way from the Father's perspective. The pure balance of God/Love precludes that from His perspective, there is no "stepping down" to meet the energies of emotion or any other level. Now if we just take this from the level of logic, and the logical mind, it can be shown that the logical conclusion to viewing another from the perspective of "mind is on a higher level than emotion", is the very dynamic which influences the female to "close down" the "logical" you, and say things like, "Wrong? Oh, there's nothing wrong". While inside she may be saying, "Yeah, there's plenty wrong, Mr. 'logical' thinker. And if you were half as smart as you think you were, you'd know what it was". So now the point of all of this. JJ makes the point that if the level of both parties were awareness of the mind, subjection of the emotions, and soul contact (which makes it all possible), then a couple would have a great chance at a strong, mutually and wonderfully good relationship. This sounds, well, very "logical", but it may just provide too soft a comfort zone for the male polarity. The very comfort zone that makes it so difficult for him to understand the emotional level. Now I'm not advocating the subjection of the mind to the emotion, any more than I am that the emotion should be "subjected" to the mind. What I am saying is that if the logical thinker truly desires the qualities of the "good marriage counselor", than he may have to take the next logical step in understanding, and that is that true balance is workable in this world, only when we can drop the perspective of one having to step down to understand another. No matter what those levels look like. This is the work of the Soul. This is the perspective of God. And this is the perspective of the "good marriage counselor". Any approach to balance, especially in relationship, which first bases itself on "higher" or "lower" levels, sets up the couple for just these types of "divisions" which we are trying to alleviate. Rather, I'd suggest that if both partners were simply aware of mind and emotional levels, without the distinction of higher and lower, and if they had an equal appreciation for the beauty and use of both, then these would be the ones I would place my confidence in. Mind and emotion standing side by side. (Along with all the other aspects of relationship) Not ever one standing above the other. Two whole persons, coming together and making three. The one, the other, and the unified One (the combined and balanced Spirit of the two). If you can examine this perspective, I believe you will be able to see how this even addresses the "ego" concerns that Dave points out way up at the top of this page. To love others as we love ourselves, is the final death blow to the insecure ego. I guess that's a bit to chew on. But I can't wait to see if this sparks the fires of emotional or logical defense that I feel it could. But if this is deeply considered, I think it's easy to see that this simply asks that we all see ourselves as subject to the One God, and that all other perspectives come to balance in Him. With Blessings Folks, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5799 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness About this "mind is superior to emotions" thing. Two points: (hah lol) mind is, yes, in some respect. What one precisely? uhh... point two: women are active in emotions and receptive in lower/separative mind (as a rule) It means that it takes as much work for a woman to get strong and active in logical mind as for a man to get strong and active in emotions (don't you acknowledge that men are a bit shy, vulnerable and close in emotions?) From this point it follows that a woman that is more evolved and conscious of the truth than a man, can have in front of her a man that is active in the mind world, yet he sees less than what she perceives with her emotions (and her intuitive mind, that is the upper mind, where she is naturally active) BUT.... this does not infer that mind is not superior to emotions in some respect. (yet have you seen guys? Even in the mind world they are better, they have the superior mind's activity.. ah we drew the wrong straw or what? lol) Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5800 From: (Richard/ Sharon) Subject: Male/Female Energy As i am slowly(!) working my way through all this knowledge, i discover all my long held beliefs in the basic differences between the sexes, are changing, or rather blending. i have always seen the female energy as the stronger energy, at least in my birth family it was. My father was a very strong energy, but compared to my mother he always seemed the weaker of the two, less able somehow of taking charge, where my mother took charge naturally. On reflection, i am able to see the flow of energy between them, first one then the other until at times they blend into one. As difficult as it was growing up with them, i am able to see now how well i chose these magnificent energies to learn from. Thank you JJ, Glenys, John, Xavier, Rick, and so many others who have brought a peace and a completeness i never thought i'd understand. As much as I love "The Immortal", these latest chapters have truly touched a deep inner core. I no longer feel that i must be the strongest, that receiving and accepting are not only possible, but ir is right action. Excuse me for using you all as a "shrink", but i thank you with a full and grateful heart. Love, sharon ^i^ ^i^ Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5801 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Re: Three Keys to Happiness "Ahem! I am not the list operator, just a member." "This message above is plain advertising, and this is plainly forbidden by the rules of all mailing lists on spiritweb." Xavier is correct and all the more so because in the past, most of their messages were structured this way. I have no bad feelings towards John and Ananda. I am enlivened by their optimism and enthusiasm, only wishing they would add some meat to the stew. I received their daily inner guidance mail for many months. Towards the end I didn't want to read them and just moved them into a storage file. Each of the hundreds of posts was a description of what it was like to perceive life from within an ivory tower, in the inner soul. The advertisements were inspiring, but I've bought the product and was hoping it would come with an instruction manual. On this list, the Ideals of Peace, Unity and Happiness are a given. What we are all working together to do is, to master the fine art of getting there from here in our work-a-day world. I can only speak for myself, it seems this couple has great light, to share, but something comes between a full sharing. They are inspired and excellent writers and I welcome them join in, in any of the discussions here. Just please try to keep the "plugs" to a minimum, at the tail of your posts. I don't think any of us would be bothered by a line or two and a URL at the bottom. Respectfully, Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5802 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-07-27 of The Keys of Knowledge List and his knowledge soars that he is left in unknowing transcending all knowledge --St. John of the Cross Yup, been there, done that. But most days you find me HERE. Why here and not there? Because, my own soul tells me there is a work to be done. I feel inspired, from within, to roll up my sleeves and go to work and save the meditation/contemplation for my coffee breaks. Love, Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-27/5803 From: Ananda Subject: Re: Re: Three Keys to Happiness Dear Loves I was so excited to share the workshop with all If I have offended anyone ...please forgive me I have attached our Inspiration for tonight I hope it brings you awareness Love you ALL dearly Ananda Dream Creating Pretend for a moment that this world really Is an illusion, a dream. Then pretend that Like some nighttime dreams, you are aware=20 That you are dreaming. *** In such a dream, creating what you need is Simply a thought away. *** Now pretend for an hour or a day or a month That your waking dream allows you to create In exactly the same way. *** Truly, it is that simple. *** Next, pretend that you feel completely Worthy to receive all that you can think of. *** If your thoughts are guided by Love, you Will soon see all you desire come to you As you think it. *** And the best part is, all of it will come to You from Love, in Love and lead to Love Which will awaken you from the dream. *** Copyright John McIntosh and Rev. JoAnn (Ananda) Polito Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5804 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: OT - News from Rob? "hhaha! Now judging by the size of your hair (email-me pic of your site) you belong to the tribe of human beings." Hi Folks! Sharon, you are most kind, thank you, I am very glad you've found the Archives page useful :) And Xavier, hehe, I guess we belong to the same tribe, don't we? :D I was wondering if anybody had heard anything from our Milwaukeean friend Rob, since it's been way over 30 days since he wrote his letter...? His name is on the members list but is he/are you back yet, Rob? I am hoping everything is alright. Hair Peace, Samu chasethedogstarovertheseahomewheremytrueloveiswaitingformeropethesouthwind Samu Karlsson samu3@dlc.fi samu.karlsson@norpe.fi http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3 "Just remember not to forget and you'll be fine... but you already know this, don't you?" canvasthestarsharnessthemoonlightsoshecansafelygoroundthecapehorntovalparaiso Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5805 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Snowflake Principle Thank you for your sincere questioning John. If anything I write sounds strange, wrong, weird to any of you I assure you that I will take no offense by your comments, especially if the motive is pure as we all know John's is. Perhaps the core statement I made that may cause problems is: " The mental person must step down to the feeling world to reach agreement with the emotional person." The first possible miscommunication is that this "stepping down" idea may be interpreted to mean that the thinking male must step down a notch to be on the same level as the emotional female and such idea is not the case nor was it intended to be conveyed. Females have minds and men have emotions and when I refer to the mental person I am referring to mental people of both sexes. Those who are mentally polarized are probably about divided equally among the sexes. But wait, you say. Are not men left brained logical thinkers and females right brained emotional feelers? Not so fast. The man may be very left brained, be tuned in to factual sequential brain activity, but be very much centered on the emotional level and have very little mind development. Brain activity is not thinking. True thinking from the plane of the mind is only done by about ten per cent of the people and even most of those are only in kindergarten in dealing with this principle. Before I proceed I want to make one thing very clear. I do not want to add any fire to the battle of the sexes. I think it is silly that such a battle should even be considered, especially from the view that there is reincarnation and that we each spend about half of our time in each sex. If, I being a male, were to consider myself superior, then I would experience disappointment when I incarnate into a female body and visa versa. Such is not the case. Male and female are equal in importance, but different and together these two energies create the entire universe we live in. That said let me state an important principle. "Where two things exist in the world of dualities these two items will not be exactly alike in any way. If they have intelligence the intelligence of one will be above the other. If they have vibration, the vibration of one of them will be above the other, if they have mass the weight of one will be heavier than the other and if they have shape the width of one will be greater than the other." In common vernacular this could be called the "no two snowflakes are alike" principle. Now let us apply this principle to the three worlds where form building takes place, the physical, emotional (or astral) and the mind (or mental). Are these there worlds on the same vibration? I think we will have to admit that they are not. For instance, almost everyone admits that the unseen worlds are on a "higher" level or vibration than the physical. Does this make these higher worlds "better?" Not necessarily. Because we are in the physical then it is "best" that we are here, even though it is a lower world. We would miss much learning if we just bypassed this experience. Are the Masters "better" than us? They do not look at it that way. They merely see themselves as having progressed down a path a little farther than we have and have gathered angles of vision that are not yet available to us. The next world then of higher vibration than physical is the emotional or astral. This world is based largely upon illusionary principles, but nevertheless is a higher vibration than physical. Higher in vibration than the astral is the plane of the mind which is created from true principles and the higher mind sees through illusion. It may be surprising to learn that those who have risen above the astral focus, and are centered in the love-wisdom pedals of the heart, dwell on the plane of the mind and not the emotional polarization. The mental plane must be entered to some degree to play the harmonics of the love-wisdom duality. Most men and women in today's world are centered on the emotional level and when the disciple does enter into the plane of the mind in his focus he will definitely have to lower his vibration when in confrontations with emotionally polarized people. The Master Djwahl Khul in speaking through Alice A. Bailey speaks in his forward of raising "the aspiration and the will-to-serve from the plane of the emotions to that of the mind (the plane whereon the Masters can be found)..." Many channeled entities are found on the emotional plane, but the Masters are found on the plane of the mind for this place is the doorway to the invisible worlds of the Spirit. Thus I stand by my teaching that one who dwells on the plane of the mind will have to step down to the emotional plane to deal with those encountered there. In addition there are entities even above the Masters who dwell in higher planes of feeling that must step down their vibration even in dealing with what we may call a Master of Wisdom. Hope this helps. If I have raised more questions feel free to ask. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5806 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness Xavier writes: "BUT.... this does not infer that mind is not superior to emotions in some respect. (yet have you seen guys? Even in the mind world they are better, they have the superior mind's activity.. ah we drew the wrong straw or what? lol)" Ah me, ah me. Sorry about all of that but it did start with Eve. lol Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5807 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Re: Re: Three Keys to Happiness Ananda writes: "Pretend for a moment that this world really Is an illusion, a dream." When you stop to think about it, pretending becomes an illusion in itself. Science, itself, has proven it. All in is motion constantly, everything changes from nano second to nano second. The future comes to us and is the past in a nano second. I guess that leaves about a half nano second for the present. That makes everything we see as illusion. I am referring to this only from the third dimension/density point of view since it seems to be the only dimension with linear time/space. So we really are living in a "dream", actors upon a "stage", a choice we all made to learn and experience for the Grand Purpose of evolving to a higher plane. It would seem the biggest problem we have with this is not just to know it, but to REALIZE it. And, even when we do, it is still only a very small part of who and what we are. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5808 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness I wrote: "(yet have you seen guys? Even in the mind world they are better, they have the superior mind's activity.. ah we drew the wrong straw or what? lol)" Yes thinking about it, we men are here to exteriorize, like probes sent in the material world. ;-) Women have the consciousness from inside and above, and kind of guide us. So this male/teacher, woman/receptive thing, in fact might put women above men, not the contrary, because to be up front in material world of illusion, is to be behind in spiritual world. Now I understand better how women are said to have dominated men through their psychical abilities in matriarchal civilizations of the past. Though OF COURSE (lol) there is NO whatsoever superiority or inferiority between sexes (damn, I and we are so powerfully formed to think there is) Yes I begin to understand why women feel so superior sometimes. That mysterious power that they acknowledge they have and we don't understand. To inspire is to guide from inside, to direct, it is not to assist from outside, be a monkey that moves around the male to make him beautiful. To turn things conscious, and exteriorize them as the male does, is to lose their inner consciousness, blended in silence, oriental no-doing. Some point here. (In fact i was educated by women, and worked in the female polarity for many years. It's hard to leave that state of powerful inspiring "no-doing", (some problem with this word).) Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5809 From: "Dave Curtis" Subject: Re: The Snowflake Principle J J Dewey writes: "Are the Masters "better" than us? They do not look at it that way. They merely see themselves as having progressed down a path a little farther than we have and have gathered angles of vision that are not yet available to us." I think someone who is at a 'lower' level of thinking hates to admit that anyone has progressed further down the path than they have. We've grown up in a world of competition, feeding our egos on a day to day basis. So when you refer to 'lower' and 'higher', that is mistaken for the words 'better' or 'worse'. I believe you addressed this issue near the beginning of the list, but most of our current members were not with us at that time. I can't seem to keep my connection alive long enough to find the referring email, so for those of you who wish to read that, and don't know where to look, here is an archive of JJ's posting courtesy of Samu. http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/JJArchives.html We just need to understand that when JJ is referring to 'higher' and 'lower', he is not saying that someone is better than another. They are just at a higher level of evolution, and know more about something than the other. I am a PC Specialist for a communications company in the Mid-west US. I have a lot of experience in this field, and I could be considered to be more 'highly evolved' than most in the Computer field. However, when it comes to music, just about anyone knows more about that than I do. Point being, just because I know more about computers, doesn't mean I am better than anyone else. Hope this helps. - Dave Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5810 From: Norman Fleshman Subject: Re: The Snowflake Principle Well put, J J. J J Dewey wrote: "Thank you for your sincere questioning John. If anything I write sounds strange, wrong, weird to any of you I assure you that I will take no offense by your comments, especially if the motive is pure as we all know John's is." "Perhaps the core statement I made that may cause problems is: " The mental person must step down to the feeling world to reach agreement with the emotional person." "In addition there are entities even above the Masters who dwell in higher planes of feeling that must step down their vibration even in dealing with what we may call a Master of Wisdom." "Hope this helps. If I have raised more questions feel free to ask." Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5811 From: Kat Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness With all due respect, Xavier, But don't you think it's about time that men and women realize that they're two halves of a whole? That neither is superior to the other, that we're just *different*, and are, thus, complements to the other? Kat "Though OF COURSE (lol) there is NO whatsoever superiority or inferiority between sexes (damn, I and we are so powerfully formed to think there is)Yes I begin to understand why women feel so superior sometimes. That mysterious power that they acknowledge they have and we don't understand." Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5812 From: Diane Subject: Re: The Snowflake Principle Dave Curtis wrote: "We just need to understand that when JJ is referring to 'higher' and 'lower', he is not saying that someone is better than another. They are just at a higher level of evolution, and know more about something than the other. I am a PC Specialist for a communications company in the Mid-west US. I have a lot of experience in this field, and I could be considered to be more 'highly evolved' than most in the Computer field. However, when it comes to music, just about anyone knows more about that than I do. Point being, just because I know more about computers, doesn't mean I am better than anyone else. Hope this helps." An excellent analogy Dave. There will always be someone who has more knowledge than we do about something. It was one of the things (among many) that I learned when I went to college. Suddenly I was among LOTS of people who were on a different level than high school. Each level of life I've found that there are plenty of things that I don't know and want to learn. I think I was born with a great thirst for knowledge. If it's a subject that doesn't interest me now, I probably will later at some point in life. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5813 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness Hi mistery KAt with the jolly writing ;-), yes we agree, we need to realize it, but you see, realizing is not only accepting the idea as true, but living it in the flesh, emotions, subconscious and so on. So we do agree, it's just on the how that you seem to miss my point. I may have the idea quite clearly labeled as obvious in my head that all this is yin yang complimetarity, my flesh and bones are taught by the past, the family and so on, and they do carry the nasty conflict war view, the "matter's resistance to spirit" point of view. So I choose to go down at that level and express what there is here, exactly to lift these thought forms above their animal dark nature. It's been years now that I reached peace in thought, but it is of little value, of little realization, I see clearly that I am more than 85% made of what is below thoughts:-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5814 From: Ananda Subject: my mistake... Dear Loves Please forgive my mistake Love you ALL Dearly Ananda Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5815 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness HEART OF JOY Oh, what a thing a man, he is A mobile celestial expression A thought that does it's own thinking In it's chosen direction *** Oh, what a thing a woman is To make men's minds turn in To what it takes to be ideal To be beauty and to feel *** And what a thing a child can be The chord that bonds them all If it is one with both of us Then we are one with all *** And the joy that it brings Will make you sing With a heart of joy *** (song by Rick) -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5816 From: Xavier Subject: Re: my mistake... Ananda writes: "Please forgive my mistake" Sorry for barking at you, but I can't like unpersonal advertising. Now that you talk personally, i appreciate you. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-28/5817 From: Kat Subject: Re: Three Keys to Happiness Rick, Love your song. I am also a poet/songwriter and I applaud your muse. :-) Kat Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5818 From: "Jennifer Hampson" Subject: Molecular Relationship Hi! In reading The Molecular Relationship chapters, I can't quite come at the part about the female needing to find a male more evolved than herself. It seems that an equal partner would be the most balanced. Not the same, but roughly equivalent in terms of degree of evolution. But then again I know that I am most attracted to men who have something to teach me and who lift my consciousness. I have always just thought I was doing the same for them but in my, female, way. Ideally, I have always envisaged a union in which the consciousnesses of both individuals is heightened and the potential of each catalyzed by being together. Chakras. I have it on good authority that we have more chakras than the main 7 ones usually referred to, and which you speak of JJ. On earth it is my understanding that most humans have 11 chakras, although some who originate from elsewhere have 13. Also that all humans are not native to the planet (and that is why our waste matter needs to be treated before the earth can readily absorb it). I would appreciate clarification on this. These are minor niggles of mine in the face of what is fantastic, new and thought-provoking information on my favourite subject, relationships. Thanks JJ. Love Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5819 From: "Dr. S. D'Montford" Subject: Emergency What does one do when you are fully healed & whole individual, Self-Actualized and have achieved Metaphysical Mastery? Helping others occurs in the natural flow of one's evolution thus aiding others to evolve also. Beyond this is the process of actively seeking out causes to champion. This was reflected in many ancient civilizations for example Arthur's Grail Knights, Kstria warriors in India, the open-hearted & tender warriors of Shambhallah and in more recent times Gandhi & Mandela. These traditions actively sort to restore balance where others had brought about imbalance. We carry this tradition on today here at Shambhallah Awareness Centre. 2 current issues that have received our attention are: - * The Jabiluka Uranium Mining issue & * The TGA Reforms These issues are briefly out lined below. For more details see our web-site @ http://www.shambhallah.com.au Or request our newsletter. We call on all who have the Sacred warrior's soul to do all they can to correct these imbalances & to see that these issues are brought to the attention of as many as possible with out hype or propaganda so that people can be informed & empowered with the absolute certainty that they CAN do something about these things, for we are the masters of our own destiny So Firstly A Win! TGA Reforms. It appears we have had another win with the TGA. It appears from the information circulating now that a recommendation council will be mostly made up of people with accredited alternative skills. However there are no guarantees that these recommendations will be come future legislation. We have as yet been unsuccessful in obtaining a copy of the new current legislation. What Can You Do? I urge all that work in the field of 'Alternative Health' & 'Complementary Medicines' to request a copy of this piece of legislation. When obtained please read it and discuss it in groups. If the new legislation does contain anything objectionable write and move on your local state and federal representatives immediately or organize to petition parliament for another senate inquiry immediately. Why? The TGA in 1998 was still under the auspices of the "Health & Family Services" Dept. This is arguably the most powerful body in Australia. They are above the ombudsman's office in that there is no way of appealing to, or objecting to, a government ombudsman about anything they do. They have powers to invade your home and business without warrants and remove property or even your children with out explanation. We must let our government know that although this body has a useful place in the community, any abuse of its power will not be tolerated. As with the reported raids on Natural Therapists and Alternative Health Supplement manufacturers that. "Occurred shortly after a meeting instigated by the Propriety Medicines Association on the 12th of November 1997, A Senior T.G.A. executive, Stated its intention to bypass authorization by Parliament without further discussion." See: - http://www.shambhallah.com.au/LandMarkWin.htm The witch-hunts were a hard lesson, the Nazi Party another. During these times whole sections of the community were destroyed for the financial benefit of another. We must learn to carefully watch any powerful body we create. Because we all know the saying about 'Ultimate Power.' Below is an excerpt from "Directions magazine Vol. 2 No. 2 1999 For further Articles, Letters I have received from the TGA, My Father's experience 20 years ago and Landmark court cases please see the TGA section on my web-site. http://www.shambhallah.com.au "Reform package launched by TGA On April 28th, 1999 Parliamentary Secretary for Health and Aged Care, Senator Grant Tambling launched an extensive reform package for the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA). The package includes the establishment of an Office of Complementary Medicines (OCM) with Dr Fiona Cumming appointed as Director (formerly the Principal Nutrition Adviser at the Australian New Zealand Food Authority) The package was developed by a working party chaired by Senator Tambling and consisting of industry, consumer and government representatives. The working 'consider the regulation of complementary party was formed in December 1998 to medicines by the Therapeutics Goods Administration'. In addition to the formation of the OCM, the reforms include legislative amendments, major policy reforms and new administrative arrangements. When the House of Representatives passed the Therapeutic Goods Legislation Amendment Bill on March 25 1999, Senator Tambling commented that "This new complementary medicine legislation strikes the right balance and will be a model for regulation of complementary medicines in other parts of the world." The Complementary Medicines Evaluation Committee is to be made into a statutory body with "membership focusing on expertise, clinical experience and co-option of specialist skills" - a positive move for the industry, allowing complementary medicines to be evaluated by a body that has knowledge in this area. These reforms are not before their time with more than 60% of Australians using at least one complementary healthcare product each year." Who's Who & What Do They Do? TGA Therapeutic Goods Administration Federal government body that administers the Therapeutic Goods Act 1989. TGACC Therapeutic Goods Advertising Code Council Will be reviewing the Therapeutic Goods Advertising Code with the assistance of CMEC to address criticism of existing advertising controls for low risk complementary healthcare products. OCM Office of Complementary Medicines Part of the TGA, Dr Fiona Cumming has been appointed Director of this body. It's aim is to improve communication between 'industry, consumers and other interest groups' CMEC Complementary Medicines Evaluation Committee An expert advisory panel who will evaluate new substances submitted for registration/listing. It 'will consider the level and quality of evidence to support advertising claims'. Can make recommendations only. No power to implement. CHCF Complementary Healthcare Consultative Forum Chaired by Senator Tambling, the forum will consist of practitioners, consumer groups, representatives from industry, Commonwealth and State Governments. *********** Jabiluka. The main Issue with Uranium Mining in this country has been greatly clouded. Uranium exports in the past have been dependent on us taking back the radioactive toxic waste to our dumpsites here in the Australian mainland. One large dumpsite is only 300-km approx. from here @ Esk. Queensland. No guarantees have been forthcoming that should the mining go ahead in this very old sacred site of Jabiluka, that the countries that purchase the heavy metal will not send their waste back to us. Quote: - "Former Minister for Science McGauran, former chairman of ANSTO Mr Ward-Ambler and the CEO of ANSTO have discussed the possibility of treating, storing and final disposal of foreign nuclear waste. "End quote. They seem to think so!!!! See below for more details. http://www.acay.com.au/~ssec/nuclear.htm http://www.acay.com.au/~ssec/Forwaste.html Quote: - "The (misguided) rationale for this is that, since Australia supplies uranium to the international nuclear power industry, it has moral obligation to take back the nuclear waste and "manage" it. Foreign producers of nuclear waste look enviously at Australia's wide open, unpopulated, spaces as being perfect as a world dumping ground. Underlying this is the smell of money to be made! Any "profits" from such trade would probably go to those private companies involved in the uranium industry such as Energy Resources of Australia (ERA), BHP and Western Mining Corp." "End quote. What is the definition of Short lived intermediate level waste (? Is that only a 20.000-year half-life?) Also this statement seems to indicate plans for 18 waste dumpsites. That will take overseas waste. We need these Questions answered now! What Can You Do? Say: - "NO WAY!" Today! Please write directly to Senator Nick Minchin demanding answers * You can obtain his addresses & phone no.s from our web-site @ http://www.shambhallah.com.au/NuclearLandscape.html * We would encourage our overseas friends to also write/e-mail/petition. * This will let him know that international focus is on Australia and that during the year of the 2000 Olympics people do not want to come to a country that is literally poisoned by greed. or * E-mail him now... senator.minchin@aph.gov.au or * Write to the Australian Conservation Foundation 340 Gore St. Fitzory Vic. 3065. or * Organise a petition locally. or * The AFC also has some great post cards with the map of "Australia's Radio-Active Landscape" on it so that you can send these to others to make them aware also. or * Write to 'North Limited' St. Kilda Rd. Melbourne. Victoria. THE Mining Company, demanding straight answers to these questions. See our site for more press releases on Jabiluka And for a map of "Australia's Radio-Active Landscape." http://www.shambhallah.com.au/NuclearLandscape.html Remember we can make a difference. That 'one clear voice crying in the wilderness' can change the course of history. We can create our own reality. We are masters of our own destiny. Don't ignore this or wait for some one else to do something. Empower yourself! Act now! Say:- "No way!" Today. Don't feel fatalized. Even now the human spirit is rising to the challenge. I have received information to indicate that we are rapidly gaining the technology to deal with fallout poisoning. It has been general knowledge for decades that ozone rapidly reacts with contaminated fallout and some waste to produce relatively harmless Nitrites. So why do ozone and ozone generators come under government control in many countries. See www.sea-us.org.au/sickening.html Super anti-oxidants can help scavenge the effects of harmful accumulated free radicals in the body. Also .. here's a beauty... Now I have had Super-Ionised Water brought to my attention as well. It appears that this may be able to neutralise several types of toxic waste, including nuclear, to a large degree. Some Sufi masters in Turkey have presented to the world a water that appears to be alive. This water has different effects on different things. It seems to have an optimal effect on whatever it touches. They used it in one of the most polluted bays in the world ... dark with black bubbles. It became totally clear within a few days. Unfortunately the channels coming into the bay continue to pollute it. At a meeting with FBI, CIA, military officials, and top corporation scientists in Washington where they demonstrated this water in action. It cleared away the most disgusting pollution in glass containers (sewage, oil, chemicals) very quickly with only a teaspoon of the water. They also did experiments with huge ponds of water with the same results. This water also put out chemical and petrochemical fires and methane fires at garbage fill sites that had not been successfully put out before... and the fires would not restart afterwards. It also works the same on forest fires. Some environmental scientists at the meeting said that if a miracle like this had not come along, the earth would be dead within 3 years due to the pollution. The best news is that the governments are willing to allow this water to be used to clear the planet's pollution. This water is called super-ionized water. A company out of Istanbul, Turkey has been started by Ihan Doyuk called Perfect Science. A 48 million-dollar plant has been built in Turkey to produce 100,000 tons of this water a day. The water seems to have many more uses. More could not be said due to a confidentiality agreement had to be signed. For more information see: - http://www.transformacomm.com The governments want to keep this controlled and secret too. Please write to your local member and demand to know why equal money is not being spent on ozone and super-ionised water plants as to the damaging nuclear plants in our communitys. ************* And remember we all have the ability to create the world, as we want it. Though there is great hope on the horizon, we must do something in order to prevent great havoc now. So do it now. * E-mail Senator Nick Minchin and say NO WAY! Today. * Send this newsletter on to as many interested people as you can. If you can send it on to 10 people who will take action also you are well on your way to becoming a world changing warrior. If you can send it on to 100 people then you are making a big difference, you are beginning to create the world the way you want it to be, you are contributing to the restoration of balance and displaying the tender, caring, open heart of a 'Shambhallah Warrior'. Eternal Blessings & Joy Sh_ Dr. S. D'Montford D.D. SHAMBHALLAH AWARENESS CENTRE http://www.shambhallah.com.au P.O. Box 537 Burliegh Heads Q. Australia 4220 Ph/Fax 61(0)755338448 Dedicated to the validation of all codes creeds & forms of preserving wisdom in unity & to the empowerment of the individual. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5820 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Open Mind CHAPTER TWELVE THE OPEN MIND Copyright By J J Dewey Open-mindedness is, in the last analysis, open-communication and being an open communicator can greatly enhance a relationship. The amazing point is that everyone seems to view themselves as being open-minded. I have a friend who asks nearly everyone he meets if each one thinks of himself as being open-minded. He has asked hundreds of people and, without exception, all of them so far think they are as open-minded as the best of us. On the other hand, you and I know that there are many closed-minded people. We meet them every day - people who refuse to consider or even hear a divergent point of view. After my friend asks concerning their open-mindedness, he then proceeds to converse with them in a logical sequence using unorthodox data which goes contrary to their preconceived notions. Nine times out of ten, the person will shut off communication on the subject; in other words, he closes down his mind. It is interesting to note that even after this mental shutdown, the person will still insist that he is open-minded. It is interesting to watch a person shut down his mind and afterwards insist that it is still open. This is one of those subjects where we need to define our terms to clarify communication, for the numerous people who argue over the word obviously have different concepts of it. An emotional person who shuts his mind off to enlightened communication will insist he is open-minded because he seems to use the following definition. To him open mindedness is: "A willingness to hear an associate's point of view briefly expressed." When that point of view contradicts something he 'knows' or feels to be right, the case is closed and the communication must immediately end or change direction; how can he consider something he knows is wrong? He is always willing to consider additional knowledge pertaining to points of view he already agrees with. Using this point of view, anyone can be open-minded, for all of us encounter additional light on concepts in harmony with their thinking. Nevertheless, it is how we handle opposing points of view that determines our true open-mindedness. A truly open-minded person adheres more to the following definition: "A willingness to hear any opposing point of view and a willingness to exchange facts and data on the subject and follow a logical sequence with the data until a conclusion or consummation is achieved. " The mind remains open to two-way communication until this consummation is reached. The closed-minded person shuts down lines of communication as soon as a point of disagreement is apparent. He then thinks that the person who disagreed with him is closed-minded. He may feel that he expressed himself clearly and that the other party should therefore see as he does and agree with him. If the other party does not agree, he is judged as closed-minded whether the lines of communication are open or not. To disagree, debate or argue is not being closed-minded, but, as the word implies, it means to close the mind down so there can be no further communication on the metal level. It is amazing how many people accuse others of being close-minded merely because they disagree and then, immediately after making this accusation, they shut down their minds and refuse to communicate. Who is the open-minded one? Is it the person with lines of mental communication open and desiring to reach a conclusion, or the one who stated his case and shuts down? In a two-way conversation where there is a mental disagreement, the first person who turns off communication is the more closed-minded of the two. In other words, he closes his mind first. Every person alive has certain facts and data stored in his mind he believes to be true. The test for open- mindedness comes when another person states a case that runs contrary to those "true facts." An open- minded person does not disregard the data he believes to be true, but will be open to the possibility, however remote, that the data is not a fact. For instance, in arguing about addition, he does not disregard the "fact" that two plus two equals four. The acceptance of certain facts such as this is essential to create a chain of data to reason with. On the other hand, as impossible as it may seem, he must be open to the remote possibility that two plus two equals something else and be willing to carry on a two-way conversation about it. An open-minded person is not necessarily always correct. He will not always be convinced in an argument, but is much more likely to change his mind when presented with a sound argument over a weak one. A sound argument is one that commences with exploring a point of view and leading in a logical sequence to the conclusion. Let us say that I believe that the moon is made of green cheese. I can believe in something even this ridiculous and still be open-minded. If someone comes along and tells me that the moon is not made of green cheese "because the Pope says so" am I closed-minded because I reject this argument? No! An open-minded person needs logic and facts to convince him. A mere statement of belief by another person will mean little to him. Why should the Pope's opinion be more valid than my own? If someone says that the moon is not made of green cheese because that is a silly notion and "I personally know it is not," am I being closed-minded for not accepting this? No. Again, no reasoning is presented; what I think I "know" is just as valid as what another person thinks he knows. If someone says that the moon is not made of green cheese because the scientists and authorities say it is not, am I being closed-minded for not immediately accepting this? Again, the answer would be no. The arguer has not told me why these authorities reached this conclusion and has presented no facts or reasoning. Let us suppose that another person comes along and says: "The moon cannot be made of green cheese because the moon is not green. Look at the moon and see for yourself." Am I being closed-minded for rejecting this? Yes. This person is presenting more than a mere statement of either his opinion or another's. He is offering me a chance to look and see for myself. Am I being closed-minded if I say: "The moon certainly does not look green, but the gray color COULD be caused by a distortion of our atmosphere?" No. This is a logical possibility that needs to be explored from my point of view. After I have sorted this out I may then look at the moon and ask myself: "Whatever made me think the moon is made of green cheese when the moon is not green? It must be made of grey cheese." Am I being closed-minded now? No. No one has proven to me or presented a logical argument that the moon is not made of any kind of cheese. They merely proved it was not green and I accepted it. I am still open to communication on the subject. Later another comes along and shows me some actual pictures taken from the moon's surface and scientific data on core samples and says: "Here we have irrefutable evidence that the crust of the moon is, in many ways, similar to the earth and no cheese of any kind was found on the moon after a half dozen trips." Am I closed-minded if I reject this? Yes. The thought that the moon was made of cheese may have been a cherished belief of mine for decades and it may be very difficult to accept that this is not true, but I must strongly consider it or be a closed-minded person. In the end, open-mindedness is open communication through the mind, or from mind to mind, until oneness is achieved. Two open-minded people placed together will eventually become one in thought. Open-mindedness between companions creates smooth sailing on the waters of life. Communication is the foundation of all happiness. It is the prime key and ingredient. Communication is the door that leads men and women back into the presence of God. Communication reveals the path that leads to the kingdom of God that lies within every person. When one can be completely without deception in all his communications he has then overcome all things and sees his way out of the great illusion that holds him bound to mortality. Pure communication reveals that there is no death. The Christ showed the result of pure communication when the tomb burst open and the immortal Son of God walked free. True communication eventually reveals to us that we are now what we have always been: Sons of God. We are as God created us. Deceptive communication tells us that we are much less than this. True communication leads us out of all illusion, but we must begin to walk the path to liberation by applying honest communication in normal day to day relationships with men and women until it becomes clear that they are not just men and women, but sons and daughters of the One God. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5821 From: Susi Subject: Re: Susi's Questions JJ I have more Hi all, I have not had a chance to read all the 154 e-mails yet so I will be playing catch up for a while but I did want to respond to this one right away. First thank you JJ for answering all my questions.......I feel like a school girl again with all the questions I have or maybe it is more like Curious George the monkey. I loved all the answers and details you gave to my few questions and in this response I have left a lot of your text in place since so much time has passed I wanted to try and make it as easy as possible to answer my new questions. I hope you will have time with all the new writing you have been doing and if any of it has already been covered please forgive me. Ok here goes: "form tells us that we have not achieved perfect (or relative perfect) balance." "If you could achieve a balance of the two energies and "be still and know God," then your body would disappear until you let the energies slip out of balance again." "This is one of the reasons that the Masters can transport their bodies instantly. They do not increase their vibration as many teach. Instead they still their vibration through the balancing of energies and can move through a door or wall as easily as an imaginary point of thought." Excellent answer! I love the thought that to be still enough to disappear and then transport is a reality for some, a very select few I'll admit, but at least some have mastered this. I suppose this is how John in the first book moves from one continent to another........but I am wondering are they also able to move through time and space instantly to another far off location or do they rely on our physical transportation? I hope these questions do not bother anyone too much......I'm just curious ;-) Susi continues: "My main question is that I feel we all as humans posses both of these qualities and ultimately do not need to have a mate if we are able to utilize both of these energies and maintain a balance within ourselves separate from a mate, just as Source (The One God) is able too. Am I way off on this? I have this on a soul level and so far am unable to accept that it is just not possible to obtain this state in the human form." "It is interesting you received a soul confirmation on this" Why is this interesting? I would also like to add that Soul level confirmation is a term I have picked up from this list and my interpretation of it is a knowningness, as in something I've always known since the beginning of time or know with out having been taught, sort of like a remembering of things that I know I know but I'm not sure how I know........if anyone can make sense out of that good luck cause I can't really describe it, it is just something you know and you have to test it and retest it to make sure it is not and illusion or delusion......I hope my interpretation is one that can be understood by the keysters since it is not real technical ;-) Often times this remembering is triggered by words, discussions, sights, smells, sounds or happenings and interaction with others. "and it would be a good time to say a few words on this subject." "A soul confirmation always points you in the right direction to enhance your spiritual evolution, but it does not reveal to you all the knowledge and principles around the subject you may be contemplating." "Let me give an example:" "Jim has been struggling to make something of his life and makes a decision to seek God believing this to be his next step. He has never been active in a church and checks out a few. Something about the Catholic Church stirs his soul and he senses the inner voice telling him to join the church." "Does this mean that the Catholic Church is the ultimate truth?" "No." "Does this mean that all the Catholic doctrines and teachings are true?" "No" "It is interesting that because of the confirmation of the inner voice Jim may be self-deceived into thinking that the above two items are true, but the real question is what is the true confirmation coming from the soul?" "Answer: His soul is leading him into the Catholic Church because this organization has an important lesson to teach him. The church will be a stepping stone for him that may last a year, ten years or a life, but as imperfect as it is, the Church is a necessary step before he can catch a glimpse of his next vision quest." "The soul often gives us an inch of truth and we make it into a mile of truth. It is important that we take these inner messages and narrow them down to the core of what the message is rather than what we want it to be. I'm not picking of Susi here. But merely giving out a general teaching for the benefit of all." I like this answer, it is often times so true that one receives a piece of the message, a piece of the puzzle or a stepping stone then feels that with their new found or re-found knowledge they know it all. "Now getting to Susi's question. Yes, we can balance the two energies of male/female within us and establish a peaceful and contented state, but this is just a step in our evolution and far from any ultimate." "When reasonable inner balance is obtained then one can go through life as a single person without a great sense of loss or missing out. Some single people receive guidance from their souls about balancing the energies within so they can free up their attention and focus on the spiritual path for a life or two." "Nevertheless, we do not get out of relationships that easy for relationship and the establishment of new and greater relationship is an eternal principle." "Balancing the male/female within is merely practice for the greater balance that comes with another person of opposite polarity to yourself." "If you want to learn to fly a plane the first step may be to study all about the art of flying. But you can read every book in existence and still not be prepared to actually fly. There comes a time when you have to step into the plane and physically fly it. In between flying practice you might want to do more studies on the ground and quiz your instructor. But then to master the art you have to fly again." "So it is with male/female relationships. We can seek inner balance of the energies and this is comparable to studying flight when you are ion the ground. But then you need to test yourself to see how balanced you really are and that test comes through relationship with your polar opposite. By yourself you may think you have mastered the energies just as one who has studied flight may think he can fly a plane, but when you put your knowledge into practice through real relationship you then discover rough corners within yourself that you never knew existed." "Believe me my wife reveals many rough edges I need to work on that In would have never discovered without her." "I did not mean to imply that anyone is at a disadvantage for being single. You still have interplay with your polar opposite through friendships and family. It is possible that your soul wants you to take a rest from the intense relationship of marriage and better prepare yourself for your next one. And I guarantee that you will have a next one." "Many have been married three or more times and are too frustrated or discouraged to try again, but let me assure you that each of us learns a lot about ourselves from each failed marriage. Sometimes a failed marriage will teach us more than a smooth one." "Let me also assure all: that if you are single that you will seek a mate again, if not in this life, the next." "The reason the drive to mate always returns is because it is a necessary relationship to establish to create higher evolution. Go back and look at the diagrams of the atoms combining into molecules." Ok this next part is what I find really fascinating. "This foreshadows the next great step for mankind. Each person will eventually unite with a mate or a non romantic working partner and create a finished atom (ADAM). Then these Adams will unite with other couples and create human molecules with properties more than human. This is our destiny and nothing can prevent it from coming to pass." "When human Adams establish relationship with other male/female couples there will be more balancing to do on a yet higher level. Next human molecules will establish relationship with polar opposite human molecules and more balance still will be required. This evolution continues without limit." JJ can you elaborate on this? I think I've got that when a women establishes this balance of male/ female energy within and a man establishes this balance of male/female energy within and these two mate or form a non romantic partnership without they form and (ADAM) and then when these two achieve a balance they then need to find another ADAM couple to achieve a greater level of balance? I realize from your earlier information that it is not exactly a perfect balance or these humans would not have form. Now where I get lost is this statement: Next human molecules will establish relationship with polar opposite human molecules and more balance still will be required. Can you elaborate on this part in particular...... please and sorry to be a pain like I said I'm just curious. "Susi asks one more question: "Do you believe that some people here on earth currently had already achieved the mastery of both energies and all other prerequisites which enabled them the choice of not reincarnating yet they are here now to help with the current awakening and volunteered to reincarnate?" "This sounds like you are asking if some of the Masters who have overcome death have chosen to incarnate as regular humans at this time in order to serve." That is exactly what I was asking.......good intuition! "Yes. A small number have. But when a master incarnates as a regular human he has to start again from point zero and regain all his ability and knowledge. He will not automatically have the energies balanced within him and he has to pass through all the lower initiations again. Thus it is not only a great sacrifice for a master to do this, but it also is quite a risk. He could get caught up in illusion and it could take several lifetimes to climb out of the mire he has found himself in." I thought as much and am wondering if you know of any or how many or if there is supposed to be a gathering of these very special people? Since they must remain secretive of their knowledge and existence how are they to go about meeting and joining forces to serve as one united when they are judged if they speak out? I feel for them for they must truly be alone in this venture and helpless to achieve their goals if this is true.......because my feelings are that they are to meet but I just don't see how. Telepathically, yes they can communicate, but being in the human form which is just ever so slightly out of balance they must surely want to use a more tangible way of communication to achieve confirmation that whom they are attracted to is also another incarnate of the knowingness? I pause and contemplate just from typing this at what these individuals have to go through to achieve their goals, not only do they have to over come illusion after illusion but they also have a purpose to serve, it is likened to 1 individual trying to awaken 5.5 billion individuals with out giving away his/her identity and knowing that there are others out there who have come to help yet unable to speak of them.........lost in a sea of thoughts and loneliness. "When such a Master, or disciple becoming a Master, does achieve relative balance then death will not even be able to hold him or her." What do you mean that death will not even be able to hold him or her? I don't get it. I'm not being difficult, I truly don't understand......do you mean this being would be immortal......staying in the same body/form forever or that this being would have full memory with each incarnation or could this being take possession of another mature body who's current soul is leaving??? So many questions, I hope they are on topic. "Now I know that there are many false teachers and new agers out there who believe they are masters come to earth, but if they proclaim themselves as such it is a sure sign that they are far from being a master, but an ordinary human." "An advanced disciple or master incarnate will never reveal his point in evolution publicly. He will never say something like : "Hey! I was Moses in a past life so listen to me." All such an attempt could do is give more power to the beast of authority " That would be the illusion of glamour or seeking fame. Correct? This would also relate to my concerns for these individuals because I feel the same that such a master would never reveal this in public, but I also feel that they are protective of this illusion even in private and this gives me great concern because if they are to unite then they must communicate with one another in an open forum. Last questions. These questions I would like to ask all of the list members......even the lurkers or new ones and the old as well. Don't answer them now, just let me know if you are interested in answering them at all. What drew you to this list? How is it that we all are here? Maybe this would be a good research project that we could do or I could do where everyone sends in a small essay on how they came to find this list and what keeps them here along with any new or different (strange or not strange) events or physical changes or phenomena have occurred in their lives in the recent and not so recent past. Maybe we could have some specific questions and the results could be posted here with out reveling any ones identity we could find some common threads other than JJ's books and teachings....... I just feel this is a powerful list and we are all here for a reason. Maybe we are all here like Jim in JJ's story above just to learn about this piece of the puzzle, but it feels like such and important piece. If anyone else thinks this is a good idea please let me know and I will try to put together a questionnaire and post to the list. You all could answer direct to my email address and I would respect your privacy and never reveal who wrote what, only the common threads or occurrences with out naming names. This would probably take me a while to compile the results given my limited spare time, but it is a project that holds great interest for me and I am wondering if anyone else feels as I do. Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" P.S. I miss Zia and her inquisitive mind. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5822 From: Susi Subject: Re: To Xavier "I didn't notice I had diminished messaging... reading and changing, this male female, and especially that selecting a mate..funny how simple mental ideas can change many things in life, it cleared a big delusion in me. (wishing to be receptive to a female)" You know Xavier I have a feeling you are a sweet, sweet man, I've seen glimpses of it here on this list and wanted to tell you this before......but didn't so this time I will not let it pass I feel you have a lot of love and maybe now you are even beginning to love yourself ;-) Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5823 From: Susi Subject: Re: OT - Growing Good Corn "He is very much aware of the connectedness of life. His corn cannot improve unless his neighbor's corn also improves." "So it is in other dimensions. "Those who choose to be at peace must help their neighbors to be at peace. Those who choose to live well must help others to live well, for the value of a life is measured by the lives it touches. And those who choose to be happy must help others to find happiness, for the welfare of each is bound up with the welfare of all." "The lesson for each of us is this: if we are to grow good corn, we must help our neighbors grow good corn." Thank you for this wonderfully inspirational story! Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5824 From: Susi Subject: Re: Higher Sharing John and JJ, Not that my 2 cents worth is important, but I understood both of your examples and wanted to comment. Thus the intelligent composer builds the whole chord at once, "because they have already understood the full resonance of the desired chord, before they ever "pen" it's structure." This explanation made the most sense and was the easiest for me to understand. "We have stated that the desire nature [root of the chord] must be directed and subjected to the higher energies [intelligence] of the heart, mind, and soul [of the composer] before the individual [composer] can correctly use those energies [build the chord] and proceed to higher levels [chord extensions] of consciousness [music]. This one was still a little too technical and confusing for me as in I felt it necessary to read it several times before my mind could totally grasp the concept and I'm not sure I ever really did, but the first snippet above came through loud and clear with the first read. Thanks for letting me contribute;-) Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5825 From: Susi Subject: Re: Molecular Relationship Jennifer wrote: "Ideally, I have always envisaged a union in which the consciousnesses of both individuals is heightened and the potential of each catalyzed by being together." This is a nice ideal......my 18 year relationship is based on this ideal and we have grown together immensely! Then I believe we have shared many lifetimes together and we have also discussed plans for our next one together ;-) "Chakras. I have it on good authority that we have more chakras than the main 7 ones usually referred to, and which you speak of JJ. On earth it is my understanding that most humans have 11 chakras, although some who originate from elsewhere have 13. Also that all humans are not native to the planet (and that is why our waste matter needs to be treated before the earth can readily absorb it). I would appreciate clarification on this." You are not alone with your knowledge of the 11 chakras and growing.....I have not the confirmation of 13 though I have been made aware that we are gaining more as our knowledge increases......had not heard that this was an application to those that had originated elsewhere though. Sorry I can not clarify because I only have little bitty pieces of this puzzle and not the knowledge to teach yet ;-) I only wanted to let you know you are not alone. Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5826 From: Susi Subject: RE: Common Threads Hi, I hope you all aren't sick of hearing from me today..........finally finished all the e-mails....I read fast! While reading all of them I was impressed most by the one article JJ posted that referred to the percentages given between two people who are attracted to each other, I've yet to see the reasons for jealousy, feelings of being cheated or having feelings of unreciprocated love described in such a clear manner.......Thank you! Ok on to the common threads I have observed that: (1)some of us have dabbled with the oujia board at an early age. (2)some of us have the ability to pick up musical instruments and play them by ear or an inner knowningness. (3)some of us have utilized books as a catalyst to release our intuition as opposed to taking on the books/authors identity. (4)some of us have created an ADAM or are very close to it. (5)a large majority of us are silent observers, sponges soaking in all the information. (6)some of us believe in reincarnation. (7)some of us have learned from the school of hard knocks. (8)some of us practice telepathic communication. (9)some of us utilize our intuition a great deal. (10)some of us have retained our child like desire/thirst for knowledge. (11)some of us teach and share our knowledge while at the same time remaining students. (12)some of us have not had formal teaching. (13)some of us are artistically inclined. (14)some of us write poetry. There is so much more but I can't remember it all. This is the reason for wanting to do the research so I could find all the common threads and put them into percentages so we can all see just how similar we are. Of course this would not work with out the full cooperation of us all and as stated before a questionnaire would need to be created. Thank you Sharon for your support and encouragement. I guess this questionnaire could be presented to new listers as they join or after they have been with the list for a short while as I'm certain this list will be growing. This questionnaire would take a lot of time to build and if anyone had a particular question they wanted to be on the form they are welcome to post it. However before any of this could be done I feel it is important to obtain the permission of Rick and JJ since they are the founders of this list and then on top of that a large majority of the keysters would have to express their yeas or nays to this idea. 60% of the listers would be roughly 109 people if the list is still 181. Please before anyone responds I feel we should wait to see what JJ and Rick have to say on the subject. Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander The Healing Hearth "http://www.healinghearth.com" P.S. Samu.......I've meant to say this to you before.....I love your string of words at the end of your posts, they help me dream of beautiful visions. Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-29/5827 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: RE: Common Threads "Please before anyone responds I feel we should wait to see what JJ and Rick have to say on the subject. Many Blessings;-) Susi Alexander" Hi Susi, The project sounds like it would promote increased unity. Could be more work than you think. I've been asking everyone, since the start, for a few little bits of info to help us get to know each other better and you can see how little has been added to my latest lists. I've run into lots of people on the internet that like the fact that they can be whoever they say they are, because they think we can't see them. Wouldn't they be surprised to learn how much can really be seen, if one is trained to read between the lines. My own story goes back 30 years of seeking. Last year, I was on several mail lists and was often getting compliments about how my posts seem to ring true and cut through all the b.s. I read "The Immortal", book one, in one sitting. I loved the book but was turned off by the wording about what was in book 2, so I wrote my first e-mail to JJ, thinking that if he was just the latest New Age huckster, I would never here back from him. Next day, I checked my e-mail early, because I had an intuitive feeling. He had responded, saying only, that if I relied on the authority of others (the cause of my discomfort with his words), then you give power to the beast. Thwack, an arrow, right to the heart, there and then severed the chains that had kept me bound to an old teacher. JJ was right and then I just had to know what was in book two. By the next weekend I had received and read book 2. Two weeks after that, I had started this mail list. Guess it doesn't take much to start an avalanche. Gotta run, the kid wants to have a turn on line. Hugs, Rick -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-07-30/5828 From: Xavier Subject: Re: Susi's Questions JJ I have more Hi Susi, thanks for your words, they're very refreshing. JJ wrote: "It is interesting you received a soul confirmation on this" Susi: Why is this interesting? I would also like to add that Soul level confirmation is a term I have picked up from this list and my interpretation of it is a knowningness, as in something I've always known since the beginning of time or know with out having been taught, sort of like a remembering of things that I know I know but I'm not sure how I know........if anyone can make sense out of that good luck cause I can't really describe it, it is just something you know and you have to test it and retest it to make sure it is not and illusion or delusion......I hope my interpretation is one that can be understood by the keysters since it is not real technical ;-) Often times this rememb