1999 - WEEK 22 Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4745 From: "Jennifer Hampson" Subject: Fw: Sort of Off Topic I've missed some of the posts lately (except for JJ's in the archives) because I've changed my internet provider and, thus, email address. I did not realize how much I looked forward each day to hearing from you. I was thinking about becoming vs. being. (You posed quite a challenge to my comfortable way of thinking on this one JJ!) My mind flashed back to one of John's posts in which he observed that we are less inclined these days to write "My guess is" or "I suppose" to preface our comments. I realized why I continue to do this is not through fear others might think what I say is stupid (I'm sure many will!) but because of an unconscious knowing that I am becoming rather than being. In other words, I am being what I am right now and stating my perceptions as they are now but I know that all is in a constant process of becoming and so my thoughts of today will not necessarily be my thoughts of tomorrow. And if they are tomorrow and the next day, and the next day, and the day after that, and so on and so on, then I guess (!) that is an indication that I am taking the path of least resistance. (I get an image of the Archer, Sagittarius, striving for the stars and aiming his bow upwards when I think of becoming.) Someone told me that he was aware that he was 'slacking off' this lifetime, (and I observed that he had indeed made very conventional choices and opted for an 'easy' life on many occasions, despite having the capacity to see beyond them). Maybe he had overdone it in a previous life and was now taking a well- earned rest, I don't know. But it made me reevaluate my own life and its many ups and downs. I figured I was really making the most of this lifetime, jam-packing it with experiences which, even in its worst moments were mine. I have never for a moment wanted to be anyone else or live anyone else's life, even though I have often thought 'I wish this was not happening." (Even this is being replaced with a welcome for whatever life throws up because I see it is all perfectly appropriate.) I suspect this is a 'big' lifetime for me and for those of us on the list. I also thought about how when my life did not go completely smoothly, it may not be because I was doing something wrong but because I was doing something right, as in 'confronting my demons'. Someone else pointed out to me (I am surrounded by smart 'someone's', aren't I!) that what looks like bad karma, for example to be in a wheelchair for life and what looks like good karma, eg to win the lottery, can actually be the other way around. Winning the lottery might be a very bad thing for someone in that it develops their weaknesses or they become surrounded by false friends so their quality of life is reduced. Being in a wheelchair might be just what one person needs to develop or bring out their talents or to attract the caring people they need to nurture them etc,.etc. Take my daughter's diabetes (please do! Only kidding). Maybe it will stop her from making choices she otherwise might have made which might not necessarily have been in her best interests this life. For example, she has the build (and the genes) to be a top athlete but she might decide its too much hassle because of the diabetes, and go in another direction better for her soul growth. Or, she might become that much better an athlete for having to also overcome the 'adversity' of diabetes as well. What I am saying is, I agree these things relating to the two paths are not as simple as they first seem. And there is no room for the kind of complacency that just being could engender. Love Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4746 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Knowledge of the Paths J J Dewey wrote: "Question: Zia got 8 out of 9 correct in my estimation. Which one do you suppose I will judge to be incorrect and why?" "Zia's answers: (1) The decision to go to war in Kosovo. Least resistance- ulterior motives in operation." I think that number one is the one you will judge to be incorrect. This decision to go to war was made in spite of good advice against such a move. Congress is now behind this decision but mostly because they didn't have the initial choice and want to be supportive of the men and women involved in this war. Militarily, this is not a war that would be winable, as evidenced by all the previous wars in that country. The mountainous terrain precludes a ground war that could be easily won without heavy losses. The country has continued throughout despite these attacks. And yet the decision to to to war in Kosovo was made. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4747 From: "Christopher Wynter" Subject: Re: Fw: Sort of Off Topic / diabetes Dear Jennifer ... Those with diabetes I have found to have some sort of inability to grasp and accept the sweetness in life ... and this often comes down the line from the grandmother ... One of the things that can exacerbate this is food tolerance/intolerance during infant feeding ... some children can only feed when there is a lot of sweetness in the food ... There is a whole lot more behind this but maybe what I have said may help you look where the answer lies ... I have had people overcome both major forms of diabetes through this approach ... If there are further points, questions, discussions, reactions or needs for clarification, please write back and I will endeavor to expand on this. With Respect Chris Wynter, Hobart, Tasmania wynter@bigpond.com http://www.anunda.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4748 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Nine Points Time to go through the nine points. Since Zia came the closest I'll quote her. By the way, Zia, I'm glad to see us so harmonious here. (1) The decision to go to war in Kosovo. Zia: Least resistance - ulterior motives in operation. JJ:..Some may think that going into a difficult war for a seemingly good purpose would be high resistance, but not so in this case. Bill Clinton has such strong personality energy that when he decided that bombing was necessary it became the line of least resistance for NATO nations to follow his lead. Whereas previous Vietnam war protesters think that a war to push back an invader in the Gulf to be a wicked thing, they tend to see a crusading war for an ideal to be a cause to bomb for and eventually to send our best blood into battle. Clinton strongly desires a positive legacy, and look at the presidents who have good ones. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt - all war presidents - all great presidents. For one wanting a legacy a good quick war may be the line of least resistance. He thought the war would be over in a month, the Serbs refused to cry uncle so the legacy thing is backfiring. Clinton is in danger of having the Lyndon Johnson Legacy added to his repertoire rather than the honest Abe Lincoln. (2) The decision of Bill Gates to create Windows 95 and 98. Zia: Least resistance - continuing product lines, natural evolution. JJ:.."Natural evolution" is the key phrase here. Especially after Windows 3 became a big hit the path to improve it became a path of least resistance. Natural improvements such as Windows 2000, will continue to be the least resistance. However, it may be possible that Gates may decide to take a chance and create an entirely new operating software. Unless he is forced to do such a thing he would be following the path of high resistance. For right now it does make business sense for him to follow the least resistant path, but that could change. (3) The decision of Steve Jobs to create the Mac. Zia: High Resistance - against great competition. JJ:.. I am biased toward owning a Mac, but that is not the reason I agree with Zia here. Steve Jobs already had a successful computer company when he got the idea for the Mac. The path of least resistance would have been to make natural improvements on what he already had. Instead Jobs pursued a dream against the advice of many and alarmed numerous investors. As time progressed many people began loosing faith in Jobs, especially when his trumped us Lisa computer failed miserably,. The pressure was on t just get out a product that would sell. Jobs did more than that and pushing against high resistance he produced a quantum leap in computer and system technology that is only now being recognized. (4) The decision to get up and go to work at your regular job Monday morning. Zia: Since I love my work, it is least resistance. JJ:.. If you don't have to et up and go to work Monday like some of you lucky ones this would not apply to you. But, if you have a regular job, even if you do not feel like it (like me) it is still the path of least resistance to get up and go to work. For those of us with regular jobs much resistance and upheaval would follow sleeping until noon on Monday morning. (5) A decision to tell your boss (who irritates you to no end) to take a flying leap. Zia: Least resistance - reaction is weak, not creating your interests. I didn't realize that people outside the US such as Xavier would be puzzled by this term. Synonymous terms are something .like: Go jump in a lake, put it where the sun don't shine, or take a long leap off a short pier. If the boss is obnoxious on a daily basis and you are a fairly emotional person the pressure can build within you to eventually tell your boss off. When the boss finally gets to you it may very well be the path of least resistance to let him have it. I will admit there may be circumstances where it could be the path of high resistance, but this would be the exception. An altruistic motive may make this possible. (6) A decision made by an unmarried woman in the Fifties to get pregnant and raise the kid on her own. Zia: High Resistance - no security, and not acceptable a woman on her own, often difficult to be employed because not seen as 'normal'. JJ:.. Some would think the answer here would be no because in their judgment this is not a moral thing to do, but basic right and wrong does not determine the path of high resistance. Right or wrong, if the woman's motive was good and she was willing to buck the system to fulfill it, the path of high resistance is entered. This higher path will reveal to her much wisdom about her choice and she will end up with more wisdom in this area than one who chose the safe path. (7) The decision by Rosa Parks to not sit in the back of the bus. Zia: High Resistance - could be thrown off the bus, potential brunt of abuse etc. JJ:.. Everyone got this right. It is interesting that there were millions of opportunities for someone to do what Rosa did, but it took someone with the guts to go against the grain to finally stand up for what is right. Now, in this time, we need more Rosa Parks in other areas of life. (8) The decision by the Republicans to go ahead with impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton High Resistance - standing for what was morally correct against the majority, corruption and ulterior motives in the glamour of politics. JJ:.. This is the one I disagree on. Even though it may have been the right thing to do, the Republicans were following the path of least resistance because there was a lot of pressure on them to follow the direction they took. They received many letters from their voters telling them to stand up to Clinton, plus the Starr Report placed them in a corner where they had to do something or look like total wimps. Notice that the voting was 100% party line on the Democratic side to not remove Clinton from office and only several Republicans went against their party line. It would have been the path of high resistance for either side to go against his party (as long as the person was doing it for the right reason). This especially applied to the Democrats where none made that choice and followed the low resistant safe path. (9) Karvorkian's decision to end the lives of the terminally ill. Zia: High Resistance - because the ultimate required his determination to sacrifice his freedom for what he believed was right. JJ..: Someone corrected me on this (Rob I believe), saying that Kavorkian only provided the tools and situation for the people to end their own lives. Point well taken. Remember that we are not judging whether Kavorkian is right or wrong, but one thing is clear. He sincerely believes he is doing the right thing and providing a good service. To perform this service he is willing to become one of the most criticized persons in the world and even give his life and liberty for the cause. No one can argue that there is tremendous resistance to his work. Question: We have mentioned that there are times when decisions are made on the path of high resistance that may be wrong or even immoral by some standards. Nevertheless, it is a path we must all take sooner or later. How could it be that we can be making bad or wrong choices, yet still be doing the right thing from as higher point of view? Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4749 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Re : Re : Re: Being xavier writes: "The desire to desire, the desire to live. Where is it what is it? I can tell you it is growing, and I am recovering. 32 years old, what makes such a blockage? Many people are like me, is it birth or something? Parents relationship? Or past live (no-)decisions." I see that you, too, have passed the age of having all the answers and are now into gaining questions. Welcome to the "club". Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4750 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: The Nine Points J J Dewey wrote: "Question: We have mentioned that there are times when decisions are made on the path of high resistance that may be wrong or even immoral by some standards. Nevertheless, it is a path we must all take sooner or later. How could it be that we can be making bad or wrong choices, yet still be doing the right thing from as higher point of view?" Because being right isn't always the lesson that we're trying to teach ourselves. We can learn invaluable lessons from our bad choices; sometimes a lot more than through our right ones. How can the pearl be formed without the rub:-) As you have mentioned, JJ, a soul can lead an individual in a multitude of ways and down a myriad of paths in order to draw him or her to itself; ways and paths we would never choose willingly or think logical. Even taking the path of least resistance has its merits if the lesson is learnt and we choose better next time. Isn't it all trial and error until we learn enough to be on a sure footing and make a firm decision to follow the path of light? Every wrong choice leads us closer to the light (unless, as you have noted, we consciously choose evil over several lifetimes). And every right choice does the same. (IMHO, of course.) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Every perfection in this life has some imperfection attached to it, and there is no knowledge in this world that is not mixed with some blindness or ignorance. ~ Thomas a` Kempis Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4751 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Knowledge of the Paths Hi JJ and all I have read and re-read the posts on this subject and keep remembering what my Dad told me years ago, "In order to climb a ladder, you must start with the first rung." I am finding myself on the "first rung" again with the two paths. I guess it's natural to apply the question of these paths to our individual lives as well as to group lives. And this is where I am at the moment. Being "stuck" at home with no "wheels" to get out among other people (this is not a big issue for me) I have time to take a good look at myself and my relationships with my family members and our neighbors. It's amazing how many times one or "tother" of the two paths is being followed. My oldest grandson is now 18, an adult in his own right and now legally responsible for his own actions and decisions. It seems that he has chosen mostly the path of high resistance in everything he says or does. I am talking about the "little" things, like 'wipe your muddy shoes on the matt before you come in'. His resistance to that has been monumental. Now comes my action/reaction, which had been another of high resistance. I'm the one who cleans the kitchen floor. It's sort of like positive against positive or negative against negative and he really thrives on such adversity. I was being drained and when I finally recognized that, I ceased high resistance and went to least resistance. Then my grandson gets upset, messes around with his diabetes and gets sick. HAH. I don't fall for that shenanigan anymore either. Then he finally tells me one day, when I remarked that he seemed to be doing much better keeping his blood sugar under control, he told me that he was tired of how he felt when the sugar was out of kilter. That was what I had been waiting anxiously to hear. He even wipes his shoes at the door now. It seems to me that on occasion the path of least resistance is the most desirable for positive growth while it is necessary to tread the path of high resistance at other times for positive growth. This is where, as my Dad said again, "There is no fence sitting. You're either one way or the other." That is why I have been on both "sides of the fence" all my life, on one path or the other. Even when I tried to perch on the fence I was unable to stay in that position as it did nothing for me. This was just another one of my questions and what I came up with this morning during my daily commune with God. Love and Light Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4752 From: Marylin Subject: Re: The Nine Points JJ writes: "Question: We have mentioned that there are times when decisions are made on the path of high resistance that may be wrong or even immoral by some standards. Nevertheless, it is a path we must all take sooner or later. How could it be that we can be making bad or wrong choices, yet still be doing the right thing from as higher point of view?" Hi JJ and everyone It seems to me that there are no right or wrong choices as to which path we take. "All roads lead to Rome" as all paths lead to the Light. This is how I see that we are still doing the right thing from a higher point of view. Our Father desires that not a one of us be "lost". Love and Light to all Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4753 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: Knowledge of the Paths Marylin wrote: "Then my grandson gets upset, messes around with his diabetes and gets sick. HAH. I don't fall for that shenanigan anymore either. Then he finally tells me one day, when I remarked that he seemed to be doing much better keeping his blood sugar under control, he told me that he was tired of how he felt when the sugar was out of kilter. That was what I had been waiting anxiously to hear. He even wipes his shoes at the door now." Hi Marylin, And BRAVO! What you have described here is one of the life lessons that I have had to learn in order to function smoothly in my life. You see the tendency for most of my life would have led me to constant monitoring over my loved one's actions or habits, (of course only for their good). What I have learned is that in many, if not most or all cases, is that every individual must be allowed to choose "wrongly", if that is their strong tendency, until such a time as their decisions lead them into their own discomfort. Up until then, I tried to "be" their discomfort, their "irritant", until they started making better choices. WRONG! That would always have the effect of lengthening the process of learning, cause greater discomfort for me, and breed distance between my loved one and myself. Instead, I now can go about my business allowing others to make even poor choices, all the while knowing that in relatively short order, that person will stumble upon their "error" (usually due to personal discomfort) and change their own habits. At that time, my own relationship with them grows immeasurably for reason of the two factors played out. First, they were allowed to make their own mistakes and become wise by them. And second, they rarely saw me as the "king, irritant, pain in the ass" that I once would have been in the same circumstances. Wow. These posts of mine sure can get long. Perhaps next time I'll just write "nice post" and you can assume I meant a whole page worth of stuff. :) Oh, and Marylin,..........nice post! :o) John Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4754 From: Brian Weis Subject: Putting self first... JJ Dewey writes: "Question: Is the putting of Self first taught anywhere in new age philosophies as well as old time religion? Give examples." Editor's Note: no reply was given Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4755 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: The Nine Points JJ Dewey writes: "Nevertheless, it is a path we must all take sooner or later. How could it be that we can be making bad or wrong choices, yet still be doing the right thing from as higher point of view?" One can learn much through being "cold" as the angel says in the Bible. By being downward egoist, or even bad, life gets at you in no time, you just lose love and true life, your soul gets away:-) And you feel it, and it makes you grow big time:-) And pray for Good:-) Yet I learned more in that least resistance period than after it, when I entered a long time of sitting on the fence. Don't do bad (it is painful) nor good (it is too courageous). No in fact least resistance is more sitting on the fence, than choosing the dark path in order to see it through. Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4756 From: John Kosior Subject: The Nine Points J J Dewey wrote: "Question: We have mentioned that there are times when decisions are made on the path of high resistance that may be wrong or even immoral by some standards. Nevertheless, it is a path we must all take sooner or later. How could it be that we can be making bad or wrong choices, yet still be doing the right thing from as higher point of view?" Hi JJ and All, The way that I can imagine this to be so is by considering what I have seen in this life in terms of people "doing the right thing". This light came on for me during my time of pursuing religion for my answers. I used to think that surely those who had taken the high moral ground presented by the church must have the right answers, because after all, these were the people who were committed to God, right? But instead, what I found was a lot of people with muzzles strapped to their faces, trying desperately to hide their desire to "sin". Ironically, the greatest "sin" I beheld was that of hypocrisy. You see, in the "church", people thought that by denying their desire to "transgress" against God, that they had done a noble thing. But in fact what they were doing is taking the path of least resistance. Because, in "the church", all one had to do to be approved of by God was to say "the prayer", attend "church", and clean up "their act". But in most cases, that is all that it was, an act. The truth was that they still "desired" all the "wrong" things that they had outwardly denied, but Jesus had "forgiven" them and so that made it all right. This made for an excellent display of outwardly choosing the high road, while inwardly taking the low. Your question asks about how the making of "wrong" or immoral choices fits the path of high resistance. The answer coincides well with a recurring dream I had in my youth. In the dream, I was confronted by a fire that was raging in the middle of the room, and a figure in the flame which summoned me towards it. As I entered the fire, I was suddenly transported to a "dark cave", with several hooded figures surrounding me. As I looked at the one standing next to me, he/she lifted a finger to point me in a direction I must go. The direction was toward a vast DARK place. I have come to understand this dream to signify what my life has been like. Rather than spending a lot of time trying to "do everything right", I have found myself walking through all of the darkness. Making some "terrible" choices. And a couple of good ones. Hurting and being hurt; blessing and being blessed. But all the while having this knowing that the way to the "light" for me was confronting all of the darkness and walking through it. In this, I found that often the only way to the place of "right" decisions was through the path of making some really "bad" ones. (wrong, immoral, etc.) Of course, bad choices are still bad choices, but when one bad choice leads one to an eternity of light in that area, the definition of "bad" gets turned on its head, as the bad is left in the darkness, and the now learned soul dwells in the light of pure knowing. In this day, may we remember a new adage: "Light Makes Right" Hey, it's another bumper sticker! :o) Blessings To Y'all, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4757 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: The Nine Points JJ asks: "Question: We have mentioned that there are times when decisions are made on the path of high resistance that may be wrong or even immoral by some standards. Nevertheless, it is a path we must all take sooner or later. How could it be that we can be making bad or wrong choices, yet still be doing the right thing from as higher point of view?" Namaste All, Obviously, if we make a decision that can be first seen as 'bad' or 'wrong', we have chosen to step onto an unfamiliar terraiin (unless we have consciously chosen to do something harmful, meaning we've been aware of the outcome and that's what we for one reason or the other desired before the decision, but here we are talking about people striving for the highest good). Well actually the decision to take this step on the uncharted path doesn't have any quality attached to it except for wanting to become more, stretch one's limits and gain new experiences, possibly expand our ring-pass-not. The 'bad' or 'wrong' quality doesn't come into picture until we see exactly where we landed with our decision. New, different circumstances always bring new challenges, and it isn't until we have learned the laws of this new place that we can master it, and move on further. Light is best seen in the dark, and any illusion is revealed by understanding what makes it seem real. We can't really progress unless we are willing to take the chance and step into the unknown, choosing to be pioneers, of our own lives as well as the whole humanity, if the leaps taken are big, important and meaningful enough. Higher point of view always focuses on the expansion of the whole, and in order for this to happen the 'units' that it's made of have to be willing to boldly go where no one has gone before, sort of step outside of their current 'bodies', their world, map and understand the essence of it and incorporate it to the whole, making it grow into new heights. Much love to All, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4758 From: (Richard/ Sharon) Subject: The Path John, you are too thought-provoking and entertaining to short-change us, I believe most of the list much prefer your long thoughts to a quick "nice post". love & light, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4759 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Fw: Sort of Off Topic / diabetes My brother, Ray, spent a life time researching the causes of diabetes and arthritis, because he HAD both. From what he discovered, he wrote a book called, NeanderThin. What he found is that science has known for the last 100 years that the human body can not digest grains, beans and dairy. When you eat these things the immune system fights them as foreign protein. Years of eating these things eventually breaks down the immune system and disease sets in. http://www.sofdesign.com/neander/observerarticle1.htm the above is a news article done about Ray and his book. He has received mail, from all over the earth, from people that have gone on his diet and cured themselves of diseases their doctors told them were incurable. He no longer has any signs of diabetes or arthritis, himself. His 4 year old son was weaned from mothers milk onto pemmican, an Eskimo preparation made from dried raw beef and suit, and is the healthiest and most intelligent child I have ever seen. I knew, the moment I saw a picture of Jennifer's daughter, that she had a diet related health problem. Hopefully it is not too late to reverse the damage. Don't mean to sound P.R. here, just don't like seeing my brothers and sisters suffer. Love, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4760 From: John Kosior Subject: (OT) Re: The Path Richard/Sharon wrote: "John, you are too thought-provoking and entertaining to short-change us, I believe most of the list much prefer your long thoughts to a quick "nice post". love & light, Sharon" Hi Sharon, No, most of the people here know that I couldn't live up to the "nice post" idea if I tried. :) It's just not me. Why, even if I tried to cut myself short like that, my fingers would take on a life of their own and keep me rambling on and on for hours without any seeming end ever finding it's way into my mode of operation which has been proven over and over again to be anything but short on words or thoughts or ideas which just seem to keep flowing without end and even making a point from time to time although the point can sometimes get lost in all the verbiage which is really unfortunate because I really try to keep my statements brief though that sometimes doesn't happen no matter how much I try or labor in the effort to capsulize the ideas into a coherent sentence or two without muddying up the water with so much stuff. See what I mean? :o) Laughing all the way, hah, hah, hah............... John Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4761 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: Re : Re: The Nine Points xavier wrote: "Yet I learned more in that least resistance period than after it, when I entered a long time of sitting on the fence. Don't do bad (it is painful) nor good (it is too courageous)." Hi Xavier, There's so much that I could have responded to in your posts that I had a hard time choosing. Then I realized that I could choose anything, because it all made so much good sense. Like this statement above. As it's been with me, I have spent a lot of time seeking only the good (the good things to do, to be, to have), only to always find myself falling into a "hole" where everything turned bad. Then in my na_ve understanding, I'd go into a "give-up" mode where I didn't bother to even try to "be good". I just did whatever I felt like, which also gave me pain. Of course the lesson that I learned was the same as what you have written here. And that is that I must choose in each moment whether I will decide on the right or the left, and avoid if I can, not taking any stand at all. I'll share with you that the end result of this lesson in my life has been that in the vast majority of life's circumstances I live in joy and peacefulness (even when it's not "easy"). But then, given the right circumstances, I can easily turn on the "warrior" mode and literally burn the obstacles to peace that I find along the path. In those rare moments, I think of this scripture and I understand how this works: Rev 19:14-15 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. (NIV) Now, I have a pretty sharp sword, but I can only imagine what it's like when the Master speaks this way. I'm just glad to be on His team. :o) Thanks for your Brilliant Light, Your Friend, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4762 From: "Zia" Subject: Re: The Nine Points Greetings to All, JJ says: "By the way, Zia, I'm glad to see us so harmonious here." So am I, although I feel we come from unique perspectives at times, we arrive at the same point, understanding or destination. I guess this is the uniqueness of us all, the value of the individual, in the oneness of God. I also want to join in appreciate for your wonderful post Marilyn, I understood your great desire for harmony with our loved ones, and the desire to protect them as well. What finally allowed me to let go of the need to protect, was to really see and understand that we each learn through consequences, and that to protect my loved one, was a very false protection dependent on me and making me responsible, and actually handicapping them as well, for they did not learn through my protection. I realized out of that I was angry at God because of so many 'consequences' that I didn't like and thought I should have been protected from by God! So I took to protecting those I loved, thinking he'd done such a lousy job!! I must admit I judged his creation rather poorly. Happily for me, and those I love and share my intimate life with, I have been able to also let go, and love them, and even when shown, allow the consequences of what I see, and be standing ready to support and assist when they stumble and are willing to look truly. I don't have to save anyone anymore. I think life is magnificent in its brilliance, and actually God was pretty clever too! Thank you for sharing Marylin, these are valuable lessons to us all. And John you always make us laugh in the learning, such a treasure you are indeed. I must admit I am enjoying the depth of perception through evaluating least and high resistance. I looked deeply within my mind, and it's ability to see choices, make decisions, and evaluate results to gain understanding and that magnificent pearl called wisdom. I saw in looking that the key to using knowledge had to come from a 'sincerity' in myself. Perhaps when we are insincere in our choices, we slide easily into that path of least resistance. Your word 'harmony' also struct a powerful chord, because so many least resistance paths are chosen in the name of 'peace at any price'. Peace in my environment is not that valuable I've discovered, if I give up on me. So 'Peace' or any other 'ideal' can be an easy trap. True peace for me is my state of mind, free of fear, and able to see clearly my choices, and with sincerity to 'stand-up' for what I choose to be 'my path' in a given instance. Then an argument, is not seen as the loss of peace and something 'bad' but the opportunity for each to express from their heart and soul, and yes there is a passion in that. It is a profound love of my being, Soul/Spirit/God. The danger also of choosing the path of least resistance, to be giving to another to make them happy, rather than standing for what you know to be true for you, which may very well upset them, and perhaps only an initial upset because you have 'changed', is often the foundation for so much misunderstanding and the break-up of a relationship. The truth is often that we were dishonest in that path of least resistance, and in not standing for ourselves, we lost ourselves and perhaps a wonderful relationship. So for me, sincerity has honesty implied within it, and without sincerity, the path of high resistance would be difficult if not impossible. I see the key to healing our 'wounds' is in understanding deeply what is being taught here, and applying these keys of knowledge to the simplest things occurring in our lives. As JJ says, that decision to apply is paramount, and comes only through understanding, and trusting ourselves fully. JJ says: "Question: We have mentioned that there are times when decisions are made on the path of high resistance that may be wrong or even immoral by some standards. Nevertheless, it is a path we must all take sooner or later. How could it be that we can be making bad or wrong choices, yet still be doing the right thing from as higher point of view?" I would have to say for me God simply wants me to learn, and provides any opportunity for that learning. Also God is not into punishment. That really accomplishes nothing. Many often see karma as punishment, rather than its true opportunity to learn. Fully understood, to me karma is the key to unlimited freedom and the confirmation that I can create the reality I want. It is natural evolution in operation. When I lack understanding this magnificent 'plane of demonstration' allows me the freedom to engage life in order to learn, and see the result of everything I think. Good and bad choices must be part of this, since there is no one singular perfect decision as we are discovering. We have to find out what works, we are the children exploring the laws of God's creation. To finally allow true consequences to myself and others, is to me exactly what God does, and teaches me here the rules of becoming, so I can become unlimited, understanding what that really means. I see I am not the only one deeply considering all that this particular post on least/high resistance contains...Xavier has written so much from his heart, and is truly looking deeply, and compassionately. I salute you Xavier. Love to all, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4763 From: "Zia" Subject: (OT) New Identity? Greetings to All, It has occurred to me in reading our list and magnificent posts from all, that we might consider a new identity. I have no identification with Keysters... perhaps I don't understand. However I wish to put forward a thought: In the Bible people of certain thoughts or places, were often referenced as 'ites', like Israelites, Canaanites, etc and it occurred to me to see myself as a 'Keylite', carrying the light of the Keys of Knowledge. To reference ourselves as Keylites or Keyliters as a more American term perhaps, seems inspiring to me. Since the light is knowledge and we are sharing the keys to that knowledge just thought light or lite felt very bright in me. Wish I had John's knack for humor here, there are so many 'stirrers' (sters) out there, and I guess I would rather shed light. Am interested in your thoughts. With humble intentions, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4764 From: "Jill" Subject: Re: The Nine Points Hello to all, Just when I thought of unsubscribing to the list because I felt that I wasn't learning anything along comes Zia and answers for me why I am on a path of high resistance (now in a beautiful harmonious way) and answers for me the question that was posed to me by someone several days ago what is Karma. Zia you answered this so beautifully, what has bothered me about Karma is where does forgiveness come into it. Now I know that forgiveness allows us to move forward freely, unlimited and open to create an incredible present and future from our learning and understanding without bringing baggage with us from the past. God certainly works in wonderful ways. Zia your essence is beautiful it shines. Namaste, Jill I am becoming all I decide to become - JJ Dewey "The Immortal" Smile and create rainbows, love and create magic Post No. keys-l: /1999-05-31/4765 From: "Zia" Subject: Re: The Nine Points Greetings to All and to Jill, Jill I am so happy you are still with us...I went through many times of considering unsubscribing myself...but always found something drew me back and caused me to look from a different perspective. I would ask JJ if there is a principle of forgiveness, it seems paramount to me to have one, although in 'heaven' of course there is no need for forgiveness. Seeking forgiveness of myself, and the giving of forgiveness to myself/others breaks the habit patterns within me that created the repetition of karma, that seems to increase in intensity until I pay attention and make different choices. What is forgiveable here is our ignorance, or that of another. That is why knowledge is so important, because without knowledge I could not make a change, and I would remain ignorant. I have sought forgiveness of God because I have usually judged him and/or his creation, and seek to be forgiven for my ignorance. I also am judged if I judge God or anyone else, by myself in seeing the 'actions' as 'wrong'. For me, I accept the actions of others mirroring to me what I truly don't like about myself, and is also often unconscious and present and operating in myself. When I can identify what it is I don't like, and ask myself how I am doing this 'wrong' action (often painful to consider 'I' could do or think or say such a thing!...lol) I am usually shown exactly how this is operating in me. And the fearful creatures that we can be judge then ourselves very harshly, rather than simply forgiving our ignorance. It is the seeing of how it applies to me, that truly sets me free, and if I accept the gift of that with an unlimited attitude ready to live my life differently and decide upon those differences, they would come straight into my life. Sadly, we believe in punishment, and our harsh judgment of guilty of said 'action' causes us to seek that punishment of ourselves for payment of the guilt. Because I no longer believe in punishment but rather see my mis 'take' as an opportunity for correction and a re 'take' in the play drama of life, I can easily forgive my ignorance that this mistake highlighted, and decide to change it. The freedom this provides is to then create my life in that moment the way I want it to be, rather than react, judge, believe in guilt, and punish myself and others, to supposedly pay for 'wrong- doing'. I feel certain Jesus did not see it so much as bad and wrong...but rather as an opportunity to learn and the law of karma would provide everything necessary to awaken the erring soul. His injunction 'to go and sin no more' was simply our decision to live different choices and the mistake would no longer occur. The baggage of the past would be gone, how? through lack of use! The repetition of the pattern of our thinking would be shattered in our forgiveness and decision to sin no more. I love the passage in the Course in Miracles that says: 'The answer that I give my brother is what I am asking for. And what I learn of him is what I learn about myself.' and 'I let forgiveness rest upon all things, for thus forgiveness will be given me'. And in Matthew 6:14,15 'For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.' Perhaps a great translation for 'sin' would be ignorance. So what is forgiveness to me, the opportunity 'for giving love' choosing love of myself rather than punishment of myself and/or others. Life will take care of everything. God was and is quite brilliant. We just got in the way of his intended creation. That is why I love in the song 'that Your Purpose (God's) is accomplished on earth as it is in heaven', where is the punishment in heaven?? God simply wants us to learn, apply and be creative and unlimited and free...that's what forgiveness means to me. Love to all, ZIA And you might keep this in mind. Zia's writings touched you and gave you just what you needed. I'm sure the time will come where your words will touch someone else in just the right phrasing they need to hear. Zia wrote: "I would ask JJ if there is a principle of forgiveness, it seems paramount to me to have one, although in 'heaven' of course there is no need for forgiveness." There is indeed a principle of forgiveness, but it has much more to do with a person's relationship with his own soul than good or evil or a decree from God. When one person does not forgive another person he or she will carry a grievance, a bitter feeling, toward that other person. He needs to do whatever is necessary to diffuse that feeling and replace it with love an acceptance. One of the best ways to accomplish this is to communicate with the person who produced the grievance how you feel. It is amazing how such an honest communication diffuses negativity and brings forgiveness. On the other hand, if you are concerned that you need forgiveness from someone else then go to him and tell him how you feel. Oftentimes an honest communication will reveal that there is nothing to forgive. As far as forgiveness from God Goes, God has no grievance against you or anyone else so no forgiveness is necessary there. It is true that we often need to forgive ourselves. Sometimes this step is the most difficult of all. As far as karma goes this is a law that applies to the principle of justice. Justice is a principle of action and reaction whereas forgiveness always involves feelings. Even if a person is in a state of complete forgiveness, or complete peace of mind, he is still subject to the laws of karma or cause and effect. For instance if you misstep and fall down some stairs this is a result of your not playing along wisely with cause and effect created by gravity. No matter how much forgiveness you have been given you still have to watch out for this law because cause and effect and forgiveness have little to do with each other. In fact about a month ago as I was getting ready to go upstairs and go to bed I had all the lights off and got turned around and took a step on the stairs going down instead of the ones going up. I assure you that even though I am a fairly enlightened fellow with a forgiving heart that I found myself fully subject to this law and fell down a flight of stairs. I was lucky. I had sprains and bruises, but nothing was broken. Even now my right arm is returning to normal strength, but for a while I had difficulty in even writing my daily posts to you. Karma is like this. If we set causes in motion the effects come back to us. If we have sent forth destructive causes in times past in a way this is like borrowing money from a bank. We have to pay it back and we wish we didn't have to. The key of wisdom here is to not wait until the bank comes after us for payment, but to pay off the debt so interest will not accumulate. With negative karma the best way to do this is through service. The more you serve the more negative karma is paid off. Zia said something that was a help to Jill. This put some money in her account to offset negative karma. If you something even more dramatic like enter a burning building and rescue a child then you make a giant deposit. Now don't forget that there is also positive karma. Good people, as we have on this list, will have a lot of this in the bank and if we listen to our souls we will know the appropriate time to cash in on it. I know a lot of you will just want to reinvest it so the good will continue to multiply and benefit the world. I'm short on time tonight but will try and get back on topic tomorrow. Hope this helps. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4767 From: Marylin Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The Path John Kosior writes: "Why, even if I tried to cut myself short like that, my fingers would take on a life of their own and keep me rambling on and on for hours without any seeming end ever finding it's way into my mode of operation which has been proven over and over again to be anything but short on words or thoughts or ideas which just seem to keep flowing without end and even making a point from time to time although the point can sometimes get lost in all the verbiage which is really unfortunate because I really try to keep my statements brief though that sometimes doesn't happen no matter how much I try or labor in the effort to capsulize the ideas into a coherent sentence or two without muddying up the water with so much stuff." R O F L. . . . . . . . .That is the longest sentence I have ever seen in all of my life. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4768 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Re : Re: The Nine Points John Kosior writes: "15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. (NIV)" Hi all, This is the one verse in Revelations that I have never been able to understand. To read it literally, I see "God" stomping around in a huge wine vat in anger. But John the Beloved was in the Spirit (astral travel we call it these days) when he saw all these things and I tend to lean more toward a spiritual meaning. So we must all be living in at least four dimensions at the same time and when one stops to think about it that way, then the verse takes on a more potent meaning than just physically walking in wine. Okay.....I have managed, again, to confuse myself. HELP? Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4769 From: Marylin Subject: Re: The Nine Points Zia writes: "I see I am not the only one deeply considering all that this particular post on least/high resistance contains...Xavier has written so much from his heart, and is truly looking deeply, and compassionately. I salute you Xavier. Love to all, ZIA" Thank you Zia for your lovely post. Actually, I want to thank, from the bottom of my heart, everyone on this list. I am a very different person today than I was a year ago and being able to "commune" with wonderful folks like all of you is what has helped me to truly begin to "live". I am not a wordy person (till after I have sent the post and can't add to it) but I feel the love here and I am finally learning to love myself. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4770 From: Marylin Subject: Re: (OT) New Identity? Zia writes: "since the light is knowledge and we are sharing the keys to that knowledge just thought light or lite felt very bright in me. Wish I had John's knack for humor here, there are so many 'stirrers' (sters) out there, and I guess I would rather shed light. Am interested in your thoughts. With humble intentions, ZIA" Great idea. I like either spelling. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4771 From: "Jennifer Hampson" Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-06-01 of The Keys of Knowledge List "Question: We have mentioned that there are times when decisions are made on the path of high resistance that may be wrong or even immoral by some standards. Nevertheless, it is a path we must all take sooner or later. How could it be that we can be making bad or wrong choices, yet still be doing the right thing from as higher point of view?" We gain clarity as to where the path really is by stepping off it into 'bad' or 'wrong' choices, and evaluating the consequences we find as a result. An analogy is that an aeroplane is more often off course than on course during a flight to its destination. The pilot is constantly using her instruments to bring the plane back onto the most direct flight path, as it repeatedly veers off it. I suppose, if one was unceasingly on the path and it was a matter of ease to see the way and stay on it, no choices would need to be made, and such a path would hypothetically be one of no resistance. The ultimate no resistance is death. (I love that saying 'he's so laid-back he's almost dead'!) Making decisions is life-giving. To take the path to God is to take the path to eternal Life. So, the making of decisions along the track is more important than the actual choices we make, which may be 'wrong' or 'right', 'good' or 'bad' from our limited perspective. On another subject, thank you Rick, Christopher, Samu, Sharon& Richard and others for thinking of my daughter and I with your contributions about diabetes. I will follow them up. Your kindness warms and supports us. Love, Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4772 From: John Kosior Subject: To Marylin Re: The Nine Points Marylin wrote: "John wrote: 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. (NIV)" "Hi all, This is the one verse in Revelations that I have never been able to understand. To read it literally, I see "God" stomping around in a huge wine vat in anger. But John the Beloved was in the Spirit (astral travel we call it these days) when he saw all these things and I tend to lean more toward a spiritual meaning. So we must all be living in at least four dimensions at the same time and when one stops to think about it that way, then the verse takes on a more potent meaning than just physically walking in wine." Hello Dearest Marylin, I knew that when I added this quote, there would be some who'd miss the real communication which is present in those words. So, if you will, allow me to present to you another story that might clarify the understanding. Try to imagine a group of children at play. And in this play, there are many games within which the children engage. And as sometimes happens, some of them get hurt, while some others imagine that they have hurt another. Now place yourself inside the mind of those children as they see their father approaching. And imagine the fear of retribution that could easily grip those young minds. Now among those children the reactions begin. Some will want to run and hide. Others out of fear might want to stand and fight. And still others will feel if they beat themselves up, then maybe the father will take pity on them. Now consider that all of these mind sets are the "nations" mentioned before. When father arrives though, his words (the sharp sword) cut through all of those imaginings, because what he has actually brought with him are words of ultimate healing for those injured, and ultimate correction for those who imagine to have caused the hurt. So, contrary to all of the fears the children imagined, the father's arrival actually brings blessing. In this, the "nations" (false mindsets) are struck down. "He will rule with an iron sceptor" establishes that this "rule of blessing" will stand strong against the nations (again, the mind sets in error). And he will tread (under foot) the wine press of the imagination of those children who only feared the "wrath of God". I've mentioned before, though, that to understand one verse of scripture, one must consider its balancing verse. The balance which gives us assurance from this verse says: "Fear not little children. For its your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom" The wrath of God only rests upon those who have yet to believe that He has only good intentions for them. As for me, I remember this: Jer 29:11 11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (NIV) Thanks Always To God AND All Of You, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4773 From: (Richard/Sharon) Subject: New Idenity Go! Zia. Why not, we are on a constantly changing course & I like the light inclusion, leave it to you to come up with something new. L&L, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4774 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: (OT) New Identity? For what it's worth, when you put an er after a verb it usually names a person performing the action. The Farm-er is the one that farms. the work-er is the one that does the work. When I read about the "ites", in the bible, they are usually a group of people that are being acted upon by some other group of "ites", as in wars and enslavement. Personally, I prefer to be the one doing the work, not the one being acted upon. eR-ick Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4775 From: (Richard/Sharon) Subject: Question Recently in a discussion with our eldest son, we were discussing why a small child who has never known anything but security and love would become so very upset in say, a grocery store when this child's parent moves, for just a moment to another area, just out of the child's sight. I suggested perhaps it was a reaction from our human thought believing that God (in this case the parent) abandoned us, instead of realizing that we had moved away from God. I would greatly appreciate any thoughts you might share with me. that I might share with him, As usual, thanks in advance, Love & light, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4776 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : (OT) Re: The Path John Kosior writes: "Hi Sharon, No, most of the people here know that I couldn't live up to the "nice post" idea if I tried. :) It's just not me. Why, even if I tried to cut myself short like that," Well you do it maybe not short, but still concise. I do it long, delayed, confused hahaha but I assume it:-) IT comes out as it comes out. Recently I cut some passages, (it's true that I sent much last days) but you never get the whole tree if you keep cutting branches. I mean it gets better by growing, not cutting. Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4777 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: Re : Re: The Nine Points John Kosior writes: "Hi Xavier, There's so much that I could have responded to in your posts that I had a hard time choosing. Then I realized that I could choose anything, because it all made so much good sense." Well that's nice to hear; after my revelation to you (people) that yes, I do feel too long in my posts and yet I do them as I do:-) "Like this statement above. As it's been with me, I have spent a lot of time seeking only the good (the good things to do, to be, to have)" ooo yes that's a big teaching for me. I had that trap on me a long time. "only to always find myself falling into a "hole" where everything turned bad. Then in my na_ve understanding, I'd go into a "give-up" mode where I didn't bother to even try to "be good"." hhmm same thing. Funny. Isn't there a manual somewhere? why do we all fall in the same traps? Why don't people around warn us? Are we the ones supposed to write the manual for the next ones? :-) Is it already written and we dismissed it, because it is given amid many wrong things taught in society? (see Marilyn, many questions thanks) "I just did whatever I felt like, which also gave me pain. Of course the lesson that I learned was the same as what you have written here. And that is that I must choose in each moment whether I will decide on the right or the left, and avoid if I can, not taking any stand at all." hmm.. rencently I'm putting this in practice. Better to choose anything than nothing. Better to do, to create, to put out. But I couldn't ever put out, before having found my inner light, and made it clear my mind. Many people gave me the advice to express myself and think less when I was young, it just didn't work. I couldn't. "I'll share with you that the end result of this lesson in my life has been that in the vast majority of life's circumstances I live in joy and peacefulness" I'm much better in that area. Near smelling the roses:-) "(even when it's not "easy")." You'll follow me if I tell you that when it is really difficult I always loved it. It's when simple basic things don't work that it was painful. But big drama is a thrill:-) It moves, it changes, it happens!! "But then, given the right circumstances, I can easily turn on the "warrior" mode and literally burn the obstacles to peace that I find along the path." nooo.. you too?? hahha "In those rare moments, I think of this scripture and I understand how this works: Rev 19:14-15 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.(NIV)" "Now, I have a pretty sharp sword, but I can only imagine what it's like when the Master speaks this way. I'm just glad to be on His team. :o) Thanks for your Brilliant Light, Your Friend, John" I see we relate to much of the same, warrior friend:-) LOL Yes there is bright light in battle from angelic armies:-) Yet knowing to tap into it at will is not enough to live a man's life. We are so manifold aren't we? We include all the energies, and have to be all the roles. Thanks John:-) (now did I bother someone finally with all my posts the other day???) haa it's a great place to be and share:-) P.S; re-reading your quote, it might very well be that I used this inner light too much to battle and win and became sort of ego driven in that bloody field:-) Tis the same topic with the Pluto-Uranus conjunction that brought the enslavers in incarnation ("from the race of lords to the lords of the race" did tell me that same woman that gave my name (gave me the word, lapsus) "enslaver" about this conjunction in Virgo) When I see the games we play at in my computer club, strategy games, and how we instinctively treat the peons, I often tell me that there are many enslavers around. It gives male people that are hardened, that can't relate to females easily, only had dominative females in childhood, and build a fantasmatic world of domination. Well well that may explain why I have "resistance" :-) to show myself as I am to a woman (basically childish). So a path of high resistance for me is kindness, with true expression of what I feel and am. (kindness with denying myself I know it, it only gives trouble and war ahead) Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4778 From: Marylin Subject: Re: To Marylin Re: The Nine Points John Kosior writes: "Jer 29:11 11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (NIV) Thanks Always To God AND All Of You, John" Thank you, John. I knew you would come through for me. I still have so much to learn. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4779 From: Diane Linen Subject: (OT) BUTT PRINTS IN THE SAND ***** One night I had a wondrous dream, One set of footprints there were seen, The footprints of my precious Lord, But mine were not along the shore. ***** But then some stranger prints appeared, And I asked the Lord, "What have we here?" Those prints are large and round and neat, "But Lord, they are too big for feet." ***** "My child," He said in somber tones, "For miles I carried you alone. I challenged you to walk in faith, But you refused and made me wait." ***** "You disobeyed, you would not grow, The walk of faith, you would not know, So I got tired, I got fed up, And there I dropped you on your butt." ***** "Because in life, there comes a time, When one must fight, and one must climb, When one must rise and take a stand, Or leave their butt prints in the sand." Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4780 From: "Robin Bryant" Subject: Re: (OT) New Identity? Hi all, I think it is a good idea to not use the nickname "keysters", but I am not in love with the alternative name which Zia so lovingly presented along with her concerns. Perhaps there are some of you who might think of a different name, as to date I have not come up with anything better. I know how these nicknames just develop somehow, seemingly without conscious evolution or decision. And I do think it would be a symbol of unity if we did have a name that represented all of us, both fairly and spiritually. So lets put our thinking hats on and have some good suggestions, or at least some discussion about whether there is a need for change. Robin Zia writes: "Since the light is knowledge and we are sharing the keys to that knowledge just thought light or lite felt very bright in me. Wish I had John's knack for humor here, there are so many 'stirrers' (sters)out there, and I guess I would rather shed light. Am interested in your thoughts. With humble intentions, ZIA" Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4781 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: The Nine Points "Jill" writes: "Zia you answwered this so beautifully, what has bothered me about Karma is where does forgiveness come into it." Now why didn't you ask? Or expose your feelings? That's what we're here for, aren't we? Clear the way. I'm sure many here have keys about Karma. Of course there is a way to look at that idea that paints it as judgment, etc.. but remember, what is, is true, is good, is just, is every quality, otherwize it is man's perception only:-) So any idea, any vision, any definition, must be expanding, in all the senses. If you put your finger on something that satisfies generally opposed needs, like strength and softness for example.. then it is a good sign isn't it? So overall if your idea of Karma paints it as an unjust law, then it's your perception that is imperfect for sure, otherwise it couldn't be a law of nature could it? So you need to expand your perception. That's what this feeling is for, to push you to expand your imperfect perception. And change the form you were clinging to, maybe:-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4782 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Forgiveness J J Dewey writes: "In fact about a month ago as I was getting ready to go upstairs and go to bed I had all the lights off and got turned around and took a step on the stairs going down instead of the ones going up." I fell on my stairs during the full moon. (It was weird wasn't it? I'm sure there have been big rituals around) Nothing bad either. I learned this time that to let pain go smoothly, I have to breathe deeply and not focus my attention on the pain, because when I do so, it kind of makes the energy stay, and it needs to circle quickly in order to heal the shock. I'm especially happy to have found this because I had asked to find a way for my daughter, she often hurts herself and asks for help. I'll teach her that as quickly as I can:-) A key thing is fear, when you are afraid you stop breathing, and obsessively focus your attention on one place. When you're not, you may even be able to do what I did at will. (Letting go is a nice mental ability that is growing in me too) Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4783 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Question Richard and Sharon write: "Recently in a discussion with our eldest son, we were discussing why a small child who has never known anything but security and love" You asked for our thoughts? Wel the above statement is impossible in my world view. Take birth for the beginning; the most traumatic experience of your entire life. (Especially the way it is done in our cultures). And any parents have their emotional pains, that get across to their child. "nothing but security and love" is not of this world:-) "would become so very upset in say, a grocery store when this child's parent moves, for just a moment to another area, just out of the child's sight. I suggested perhaps it was a reaction from our human thought believing that God (in this case the parent) abandoned us, instead of realizing that we had moved away from God. I would greatly appreciate any thoughts you might share with me. that I might share with him, As usual, thanks in advance, Love & light, Sharon" What I see is that my daughter (2 and half years) is more dependent now than say at one year old. When she's in pain, she is more helpless than before. All this comes from the life I (and we) make her live. When younger, she didn't need our support for everything a bit painful, she managed herself. Of course it has to do with God, say the source. When the parents don't play the role of the source satisfactorily, the child is in lack of that support, and is oversensitive to stress, and tends to remain stuck to his parents protection. Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4784 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: Digest No. 1999-06-01 of The Keys of Knowledge "Jennifer Hampson" writes: "On another subject, thank you Rick, Christopher, Samu, Sharon& Richard and others for thinking of my daughter and I with your contributions about diabetes. I will follow them up." Yes 'n thank you Rick for the article about your bro, I forwarded the url to the french newsgroup, translated a bit, and improved greatly my knowledge of diet:-) I recently have gone back eating fresh red meat, this comes to the point:-) caveman xavier:-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4785 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: (OT) New Identity? Rick Audette writes: "For what it's worth, when you put an er after a verb it usually names a person performing the action. The Farm-er is the one that farms. the worker is the one that does the work. When I read about the "ites", in the bible, they are usually a group of people that are being acted upon by some other group of "ites", as in wars and enslavement. Personally, I prefer to be the one doing the work, not the one being acted upon. eR-ick" Now that's nice. I may see my name that way too, I always thought it as a lame name. BTW I do like keysters since the beginning and do not see what could make me change nor why so many tries are given to change it:-) (tho I do respect these feelings) "-er" doing, changing? The book of changes yes:-) Try Rick-er, richard isn't it where Rick comes from? Xav-ier(tm). let's do it folks! Chaaaaaaaaarging! ahahahahah Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4786 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re : Question "xavier" writes: "When the parents don't play the role of the source satisfactorily, the child is in lack of that support, and is oversensitive to stress, and tends to remain stuck to his parents protection." I need to add this: the solution is not to let the child alone, but to give the protection/consolation (s)he needs to feed on, and also to release the emotions that I as parent have kept blocked inside me and that cause all this. In a way the child suffers for you to get aware of the pains you are rejecting, thus blocking your life and his. A love messenger. And life, health, and growth. God kingdom builder in action. Post No. keys-1/1999-06-01/4787 From: "Matt Pearson" Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-06-01 of The Keys of Knowledge List Dear Jennifer ... Those with diabetes I have found to have some sort of inability to grasp and accept the sweetness in life ... and this often comes down the line from the grandmother ... One of the things that can exacerbate this is food tolerance/intolerance during infant feeding ... some children can only feed when there is a lot of sweetness in the food ... There is a whole lot more behind this but maybe what I have said may help you look where the answer lies ... I have had people overcome both major forms of diabetes through this approach ... If there are furthur points, questions, discussions, reactions or needs for clarification, please write back and I will endeavor to expand on this. Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4788 From: (Richard/ Sharon) Subject: Question Xavier, thank you, once again I have food for thought, Thank God. That food doesn't have many calories, since I have been feeding so well, recently. love & light, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4789 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: Question Richard/ Sharon wrote: "Recently in a discussion with our eldest son, we were discussing why a small child who has never known anything but security and love would become so very upset in say, a grocery store when this child's parent moves, for just a moment to another area, just out of the child's sight." Hi Sharon, I thought I might answer this with something poetic. (And I use that term veeeeeery loosely) :o) ***** It happened on one special day though really not special in any way ***** Nothing special with which to adorn but on this day, a fish was born ***** Born to an ocean too big to conceive He needed something in which to believe ***** And then there before him his eyes had found a beautiful rock right there on the ground ***** Though the rock was not special in any way No better place could he find to play ***** And though he might venture both to and fro He always found safety in that one rock below ***** Then one day a storm came near which stirred up the world he held so dear ***** He turned and he looked but to his surprise his rock had departed from before his eyes ***** Then no one and nothing seemed to be known for it was then that he realized that he was alone ***** An ocean surrounded too big to conceive his rock and his safety he had to retrieve ***** So he called and he screamed and he thrashed in his fight for only his rock could diminish his plight ***** But little could he understand that the rock lie buried just under the sand ***** All he could think was of panic and strife for lost like his rock was also his life ***** The only thing left was this ocean around no rock and no safety e'er to be found ***** But then as our lives will so often do another storm passed and sent its surge through ***** It washed the sand from off the floor and a frightened fish there was no more ***** Only joy and thrilled delight As the rock appeared before his sight ***** I have absolutely no idea why I wrote this this way. But I hope you enjoyed it. Many Blessings, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4790 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Question John K wrote: It washed the sand from off the floor and a frightened fish there was no more ***** Only joy and thrilled delight As the rock appeared before his sight ***** "I have absolutely no idea why I wrote this, this way. But I hope you enjoyed it. Many Blessings, John" I know that I sure enjoyed it John. You are a blessing. Thanks Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4791 From: (Richard/ Sharon) Subject: Question John, I love it! You put a lot of profound thought into jest and rhyme. Thank you, sharon Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-01/4792 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Re : Re: (OT) New Identity? "Try Rick-er, richard isn't it where Rick comes from?" Actually, ard at the end of a name means guard. Richard means protector of the peoples wealth. Edward, my middle name, means protector of the peoples welfare. Do you think I had a mission, when I came into the flesh this time? I have a theory, that some of us were Knights, working together in a previous time. This time our swords will be Truth and our armor a song. Richard the Lighthearted -- ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ have you read "The Immortal" http://www.freeread.com And what a thing a child can be, The chord that bonds them all If it is one with both of us, Then we are one with all Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4793 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: The last Supper - OT: Joke Last Supper Jesus was having dinner with his disciples one last time and as they gathered reverentially about him, more or less in the attitudes since immortalized by Leonardo da Vinci, he looked about at them. There, on one direction, he saw Judas Iscariot, who, he well knew, would betray him to the authorities before three hours had passed. On the other side was Peter, the prince of the disciples, who, as he well knew, would deny him thrice ere the cock crowed. And almost immediately opposite him was Thomas, who, on a crucial occasion, would express doubts. There seemed only one thing to do. Jesus called over the head-waiter. "Max," he said, "separate checks please." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Failure is not an event but an opinion. Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4794 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Question John wrote: "I thought I might answer this with something poetic. (And I use that term veeeeeery loosely) :o)" It happened on one special day though really not special in any way *snip* I have absolutely no idea why I wrote this, this way. But I hope you enjoyed it." Oh yes John, I absolutely loved it! You are such a cheerful light with a sparkly expression. Thanks for sharing with us Brother :) Smiling with you, Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4795 From: J J Dewey Subject: Lessons from High Resistance Xavier, so you fell down some stairs too? It's quite an experience to have it happen unexpectedly in the dark. I thought I was falling down a well in the Twilight Zone for a moment. I see you've been keeping the list active with your posts. I feel like commenting on much more of your writings (as well as many others) but often cannot because of time. You are right about the "going with the flow" idea rubbing me the wrong way, especially now I understand the two paths. Question: "We have mentioned that there are times when decisions are made on the path of high resistance that may be wrong or even immoral by some standards. Nevertheless, it is a path we must all take sooner or later. How could it be that we can be making bad or wrong choices, yet still be doing the right thing from as higher point of view?" Several of you gave great answers on this. I liked Jennifer's wording: "We gain clarity as to where the path really is by stepping off it into 'bad' or 'wrong' choices, and evaluating the consequences we find as a result." Let us pick someone who made some bad decisions while on the path of high resistance. Jane Fonda is a good example here. She protested the war in Vietnam which may have been well and good, but in the eyes of many she came close to treason by visiting North Vietnam and helping the enemy with propaganda. She also experimented with drugs, made several risque' films for the time and delved into unpopular philosophy. What sets Jane apart from rabble rousers on the path of least resistance (who can also create controversy) is that she pursued her goals with a sincere desire of doing the right thing. In doing so she made many mistakes but also underwent a lot of transformation and growth. Now, if she had to do it all over again she wouldn't support North Vietnam and has a more balanced perspective on war and peace. She is also against taking the drugs of her youth and is doing everything in her power to guide her children away from the mistake she made when she was young. Instead she has gone the opposite direction and is an initiate in fitness and health. She switched from doing sleazy films to serious ones with serious issues that was of benefit to the world. Her philosophy is becoming more tempered and she is learning a lot through her relationship with Ted Turner. She has suppressed her talents to remain in Turner's shadow and her soul is trying to guide her toward correction here. The chances are that she will leave Turner and again take the limelight as an initiate. Jan's dropping out of the limelight to be in Turner's wing illustrates a temptation that besets all initiates and seekers. They are always tempted to set aside their quest of true service for some other worthy cause that neutralizes them. Overall, Jane is a great example of one who entered the path of high resistance (as a child entering a playground) and created high resistance. Then, in the process of time, she learned many lessons and wound up giving much more to the world than she took from it. Then too she may yet have much more to give in this life and definitely has prepared herself for future lives of service. She has learned to follow her path despite high resistance and criticism and this is more valuable in many ways than correct knowledge, for it leads to correct knowledge seen through the eyes of understanding. Our conclusion is then that it is indeed true that a person can and will make many mistakes on the path of high resistance, but the experience gained (if the heart is pure) will lead to a higher vision of the truth. It is interesting to note that many of the greatest teachers of the human race made many mistakes in their presentations of truth, but the Brotherhood of Light did not correct them. The reason they are not corrected is that the inner teachers realize that when the outward teacher discovers his mistake that an endowment of power and knowledge will come to him and he will eventually have more power to do good than if he was corrected at the time of the mistake. Imperfections in a teacher also force disciples to look back on their own souls when something from the teacher just doesn't resonate correctly. Thus I give you just one more reason to not trust me 100%, but if we both trust our souls harmony and agreement can always be reached. Currently we are passing out of the Age of Pisces into Aquarius. During this Piscean age those who tread the path of high resistance did indeed encounter high resistance and many suffered persecution and death. During this passing age of sacrifice many of the disciples were like young Jane Hondas' just blurting out their statement of faith, sometimes without level thinking of effect and repercussions. They have often followed their feelings right or wrong and got themselves killed or imprisoned and thus lost their effectiveness in their presentation of truth. It was appropriate that such things transpired in the passing age, but the plan for the coming age is different. Whereas in the past disciples taught the world through their deaths, in this age disciples (with some exceptions) will teach the world through their lives. This is why a knowledge of the paths of least and high resistance is so necessary at this time. Through an understanding of the switch in energies as one gores from least to high resistance one may then control the resistance he will create. Question: Do you think this is true? Can we enter the path of high resistance and control our words and actions so the resistance we create will not be so dangerous? How can we minimize the danger of high resistance so we do not get thrown to the lions again? Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4796 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance J J Dewey wrote: "Question: Do you think this is true? Can we enter the path of high resistance and control our words and actions so the resistance we create will not be so dangerous? How can we minimize the danger of high resistance so we do not get thrown to the lions again?" People often take the path of high resistance because they feel so strongly about something that they consider it's important to take a stand, even if it means being isolated and misunderstood. While this is admirable I think it's easy for them to become unbalanced in the way they present their views because of the very passion that made them take a stand in the first place. So the following behavior can manifest: anger (that others don't see their point of view) resentment (at being isolated) aggression (when trying to convince others of their views) victim mentality (not being understood) despair and depression (for all of the above reasons) etc. Having experienced all these emotions in the past when swimming against the tide, I came to realize that my reactions were because I was emotionally attached to convincing others to see my point of view and its rightness. I saw that I often slipped into wanting to be right and to convince others instead of controlling my reactions and allowing everyone have their own opinion and their own version of Truth. I would present my case with passion and feel victorious if I won the argument. Often the Truth got lost in the process and I would come away from the debates having won the battle but somehow feeling as if I'd lost the war. So....I think we can minimize the danger of being thrown to the lions again by: constantly and rationally reviewing the reasons and justifications for the positions we take when we're on the path of high resistance so that we are not emotionally attached to our viewpoints, knowing this can make us defensive and aggressive a corollary of that is to ensure we have logical, coherent arguments to justify our views so we're prepared for people who will challenge us (like JJ with the Christian group) controlling our reactions when people bait us or are aggressive towards us living by example being gentle and loving with ourselves and others freely acknowledging when we're wrong; and last, but by no means least, saying the Song regularly because we know that offers us the utmost protection from the lions Now when people challenge me on a position I've taken, I can calmly present my views and if they don't agree or think I'm an idiot, I can just smile and walk away, secretly thinking they could very well be right :-) One thing I've learnt is that in these days of rapid inner growth, it's not always wise to strongly defend a viewpoint because the chances are that I'll think very differently in a week or year's time. I'm also fortunate in that I've never been too concerned about what people think of me which gives me enormous freedom to do what I like. It's not always an easy life not being a people pleaser but it brings with it a certain peace. Speaking of peace, it's bedtime.................. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Love Glenys PS BTW, I don't mind what we call ourselves if we must have a name but I don't think we've found the right name yet. I recall when JJ was talking about our forming our own study groups, he suggesting the term 'Synthesis Groups'. How about something along those lines as it fits so well with what we're doing here? But I'm happy to take the path of least resistance on this one :-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Failure is not an event but an opinion. Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4797 From: "Mary Merritt" Subject: change of address please change from granny@iclub.org to kydeb @.wildcatblue.com. Thank you Mary. Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4798 From: Marylin Subject: A bit OT, but is it A friend forwarded this to me: A newly arrived soul in Heaven was met by St. Peter. The saint toured the soul around Heaven. Both of them walked side by side inside a large workroom filled with angels. St. Peter stopped in front of the first section and said, "This is the Receiving Section. Here, all the petitions to God said in prayer are received. The soul looked at the section, and it was terribly busy with so many angels sorting out petitions written on voluminous paper sheets from all over the world. They walked again until they reached the 2nd section. "This is the Packaging and Delivery Section. Here, the graces and blessings asked for are packed and delivered to those who asked for them down on earth." Oh, how busy it was! There were many angels working in that room, since so many blessing were being packed and delivered to earth. Finally at the farthest corner of the room, the soul stopped at the last section. To the surprise of the soul, only one angel was there, hardly doing anything. "This is the Acknowledging Section," St. Peter told the soul. "How is it that there is no work here?" St. Peter answered, "That's the sad thing. After people receive the blessings they asked for, very few send their acknowledgments." "How does one acknowledge God's blessing?" "Simple," St. Peter answered. "Just say, 'Thank you, Lord'." =================================================== Thank you, Lord, for that someone who sent me this message and thank you too for the chance to share it with others. *** Subject: GARDENING GOD'S WAY Plant three rows of peas: Peace of mind Peace of heart Peace of soul Plant four rows of squash: Squash gossip Squash indifference Squash grumbling Squash selfishness Plant four rows of lettuce: Lettuce be faithful Lettuce be kind Lettuce be obedient Lettuce really love one another No garden without turnips: Turnip for meetings Turnip for service Turnip to help one another Water freely with patience and Cultivate with love. There is much fruit in your garden Because you reap what you sow. To conclude our garden We must have thyme: Thyme for God Thyme for study Thyme for prayer ******** Pass it on!! Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4799 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Re : Re: (OT) New Identity? Xavier writes: "Xav-ier let's do it folks! Chaaaaaaaaarging! Ahahahahah" Hey, Hey, Hey. lol At first I thought the word was Chaaaaaaaanging. I am not hard to please as long as it is not a derisive name. Israelites - were enslaved, but they were also the chosen of God. Keysters - is also a good name. Are we not stirring up the propaganda we've been fed since we were born on this earth? Keylites - a good name. Whatever name is settled on, it should be EASY to remember. Love, Light, Peact and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4800 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-06-01 of The Keys of Knowledge List Matt Pearson writes: "Those with diabetes I have found to have some sort of inability to grasp and accept the sweetness in life ... and this often comes down the line from the grandmother ..." Hi Matt I think you are correct in the above. My diabetic late husband dearly loved anything sweet. He did till he passed over at age 69. Now comes my diabetic grandson, diabetes on his dad's side, who also dearly loves anything sweet. Both, however, they both had problems getting along with people. I am amazed when I analyze the situation of the two together. So far apart in age, separated by one generation, and yet so much alike. It's like the two souls got together before incarnating and made agreements that they should meet here on earth for a short time, with me in between. There is some sort of karmic lesson here that we all wanted to experience and learn. (I still wonder what on earth was I thinking then) So next I expand the same thoughts to others with diabetes and find some more similarities. Sorry, now I am into rambling thoughts again. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4801 From: Jennifer Hampson Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-06-02 of The Keys of Knowledge List Hi Sharon My thoughts in response to your post.... It would be worth knowing how old the child was. It is a stage of development that very young children reach when they realize that a thing or person has an existence independent of him or her. Until that point (known as attaining 'object permanence'), if the toy or loved one is not within sight, then it is gone, and the child usually cries because of a sense of loss. The child does not realize that the toy may be just around the corner or may reappear shortly, but it is remembered. (The stage prior to this is when you can take a toy from a child and immediately it is out of sight it is also out of mind.) With older kids, it is interesting that much love and security can produce a feeling of confidence in one child who then feels safe enough to explore and experiment with life, while another child, who may have been loved and protected (sometimes 'over-protected'), will strongly associate the feelings of security with the physical presence of the mother (because she is usually the primary caretaker), and who will therefore experience distress when what is perceived as the source of that good feeling, disappears. If a child's sources of feeling good are many, the temporary 'loss' of one has less impact. I would say individual temperament and past life experiences also have their roles, and that it is the interaction of a few such factors that produces the reaction you witnessed in the child. I know I haven't referred to God in my explanation but my above remarks are really in agreement with what you said. I've just put it in a more mundane fashion. Love Jennifer Oh, I just read John's brilliant poem. So clever and entertaining - thank you. And also Xavier's post. I have to agree with him that no child is brought up in unconditional love and security, and that all know some experience of trauma to some degree (even if it is just by the fact of being born). We are not perfect parents (but we are 'good enough', as one psychologist puts it. But then what can you expect when we live in a physical world which is not perfect. It's dual nature means we experience love and fear(?), security and insecurity, and that is as it should be. And then JJ's question: "Do you think this is true? Can we enter the path of high resistance and control our words and actions so the resistance we create will not be so dangerous? How can we minimize the danger of high resistance so we do not get thrown to the lions again?" Well, in for a penny, in for a pound... Yes I think we can minimize the danger by keeping ego out of it as best we can, and in my case by thinking before I open my mouth and keeping my spiritual goals in mind. Finally, yes truly, I'll be quiet after this.... I don't want to spend time on the name and am happy with it as it is. Yours, Guinevere, er, Jennif or just plain Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4802 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance Hi JJ and everybody J J Dewey writes: "Question: Do you think this is true? Can we enter the path of high resistance and control our words and actions so the resistance we create will not be so dangerous?" "How can we minimize the danger of high resistance so we do not get thrown to the lions again? I believe that this is possible. As I think back to the time I challenged the post office, I did exactly that. I knew nothing of the paths at that time, but I had thought out what the repercussions could be and worded my complaint carefully so as not to offend anyone very much. I keep hearing the current phrase "politically correct". I dislike that phrase as it hints at control. However, I also have the philosophy of "protect number one". So it would seem that in the high resistance path of my complaint I also took the least resistance path at the same time. Now, why can't I be wise enough to always do that? Hmmmm.....on second thought, should I? Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4803 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Question John Kosior writes: "I have absolutely no idea why I wrote this way. But I hope you enjoyed it." Hi John How positively beautiful. And it applies not only to small children, but us overgrown children as well. I have this feeling inside.......you had a conscious "soul contact". How wonderful. Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4804 From: Mary Merritt Subject: Re: Question Marylin writes: "How positively beautiful. And it applies not only to small children, but us overgrown children as well. I have this feeling inside....... you had a conscious "soul contact". How wonderful." Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4805 From: Mary Merritt Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance Marylin writes: "JJ Dewey writes: "Question: Do you think this is true? Can we enter the path of high resistance and control our words and actions so the resistance we create will not be so dangerous?" How can we minimize the danger of high resistance so we do not get thrown to the lions again?" "I believe that this is possible. As I think back to the time I challenged the post office, I did exactly that. I knew nothing of the paths at that time, but I had thought out what the repercussions could be and worded my complaint carefully so as not to offend anyone very much. I keep hearing the current phrase "politically correct". I dislike that phrase as it hints at control. However, I also have the philosophy of "protect number one". So it would seem that in the high resistance path of my complaint I also took the least resistance path at the same time. Now, why can't I be wise enough to always do that? Hmmmm.....on second thought, should I?" Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4806 From: Mary Merritt Subject: Re: Question Editor's note: Repeat post of 4804 Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4807 From: Mary Merritt Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance Editor'note: Repeat post of 4805 Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4808 From: Mary Merritt Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance Editor's note: Repeat post of 4805 Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4809 From: Mary Merritt Subject: Re: Question Editor's note: Repeat post of 4804 Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4810 From: Mary Merritt Subject: list remove granny@iclub from your list please. Thanks mary Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4811 From: Mary Merritt Subject: list Editor's note: Repeat post of 4810 Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4812 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance "The below stuff came through more times than I sent it. So who is granny@iclub.org (mary merritt)?" Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4813 From: Zia Subject: Re: Forgiveness Greetings to All, and to beloved Jill, Uh oh JJ, our harmonious communications just hit a bump. I seem to have some very different perspectives at times, and trust you will bear with me, and understand the light in which I share my thoughts. It is in these moments that sometimes I wish we were together that I might better understand what you mean, and perhaps vice versa. I guess when I put something forward I sometimes feel you might have misunderstood my communication by your response. What seems to happen for 'women' in relationships at times, is they desire to forgive those that they love, and wish to continue to love them. The difficulty is often a misperception of what is being forgiven. Forgiving 'acts', especially on a repetitive basis, to me is not the intent of forgiveness. When someone chooses to remain in ignorance and to continue repetitive negative acts, it is important for the woman to forgive the ignorance, and MOVE ON. And this often may be out of a 'stuck' relationship. It is stuck because the woman keeps forgiving 'intolerable acts' (to her) but in forgiveness thinks she must stay and continue loving. This can of course also happen with men, but is more prevalent in my experience for women. It is the forgiveness tied to 'turning the other cheek' and so many women become doormats because of this. When a relationship is not founded on the growth of BOTH individuals and a commitment to that, it literally dies in my opinion. It is also interesting how seemingly different karmic patterns lock into each other, one keeps 'forgiving' rather than moving on, and one keeps repeating 'acts' of ignorance rather than choosing to grow. Both are stuck at the same point and thus a true mirror to each other. JJ says: "There is indeed a principle of forgiveness, but it has much more to do with a person's relationship with his own soul than good or evil or a decree from God." To me forgiveness is necessary because of our judgment of ignorance or 'ignorant acts' as good or evil, and our potential ultimate blame of God. Many keep forgiving but find no results or relief. It so reinforces to me the pointlessness of judging karma as good or bad, or as negative or positive, because we become more locked in to forgiving what needs no forgiveness, but rather simply needs our choice as to whether this is what we wish to continue to experience, and/or then how to change the experience. It is often our judgment we are forgiving. JJ says: "Oftentimes an honest communication will reveal that there is nothing to forgive." Exactly. It may also mean that it is time to choose a different path and/or companion. In growth situations it is very possible to outgrow what a relationship can offer, especially if the partner becomes a 'sitter on the fence, neither hot nor cold' and unwilling to progress. It is usually our reason for considering leaving the list as Jill mentioned, if we don't feel we are learning anything, and continuing to grow, what would then be the purpose in maintaining that relationship? However, we often 'walk out' on great learning experiences and stay in the stuck ones, because we have underlying motivations to stay, perhaps in the 'hope' of the impossible?? And as JJ says: "As far as forgiveness from God Goes, God has no grievance against you or anyone else so no forgiveness is necessary there. It is true that we often need to forgive ourselves. Sometimes this step is the most difficult of all." And it becomes important to recognise it is ourselves that hold the grievances against God as well, also creating a perceived difficulty in our seeking forgiveness. 'Why hasn't God fixed this in my life?' JJ says: "As far as karma goes this is a law that applies to the principle of justice. Justice is a principle of action and reaction whereas forgiveness always involves feelings." But, my feeling is here, that it is the 'feelings' that create the action or reaction. And feelings are based on past judgments. That is why I also see forgiveness as a part of everything here, especially karma. And that in forgiving my 'feelings' I dissolve the patterns of karmic action or reaction. Now I am free to create and manifest exactly according to my creation. JJ says: "Even if a person is in a state of complete forgiveness, or complete peace of mind, he is still subject to the laws of karma or cause and effect." Now this is where I start to come unstuck with JJ. Forgive me JJ, this is important to me. Karma, and cause and effect are dualities. To me a complete state of forgiveness would be in a state of love, a 'state for giving love' that is whole mind, one with all creation. In a state of wholeness, oneness, the thought 'IS', not action/reaction. The thought and the actuality are one. No separation, no duality. It must therefore be that our judgment creates the separation from this state of mind, causing duality and karma. (That judgment is our feelings...)The true feeling then becomes the 'joy of the ISNESS' in the manifestation. It is one. And then JJ says "For instance if you misstep and fall down some stairs this is a result of your not playing along wisely with cause and effect created by gravity. No matter how much forgiveness you have been given you still have to watch out for this law because cause and effect and forgiveness have little to do with each other." And now I am completely at odds with you JJ. I don't know your sense of humor yet. 'not playing along wisely with cause and effect created by gravity'?? wow, that's funny. Because then all accidents have nothing to do with our thoughts and creations, but some uncontrollable 'outside laws and forces'. So what was the gravity of the situation in your thoughts, because the outward is but a mirror of the inner thinking (at some point in time - karma). And as stated earlier, 'cause and effect and forgiveness have little to do with each other' is simply not true for me. Forgiveness changes everything, because love changes everything. And love is a whole unsplit totality. JJ my heart goes out to you: "In fact about a month ago as I was getting ready to go upstairs and go to bed I had all the lights off and got turned around and took a step on the stairs going down instead of the ones going up. I assure you that even though I am a fairly enlightened fellow with a forgiving heart that I found myself fully subject to this law and fell down a flight of stairs. I was lucky. I had sprains and bruises, but nothing was broken. Even now my right arm is returning to normal strength, but for a while I had difficulty in even writing my daily posts to you." If it had been myself, bruised and sprained, I would have asked myself 'what are my thoughts that turned me in the 'wrong' direction, causing me to fall in the darkness'. That is sometimes a greater pain than falling on the stairs, but leads to wisdom for myself. Here I use wrong yet more correctly it was an unknown direction not the assumed direction, up the stairs. And now I am really in trouble for I am not a Ferengi and do not see service as a payment or an exchange, for JJ says: "Karma is like this. If we set causes in motion the effects come back to us. If we have sent forth destructive causes in times past in a way this is like borrowing money from a bank. We have to pay it back and we wish we didn't have to. The key of wisdom here is to not wait until the bank comes after us for payment, but to pay off the debt so interest will not accumulate. With negative karma the best way to do this is through service. The more you serve the more negative karma is paid off. Zia said something that was a help to Jill. This put some money in her account to offset negative karma. If you something even more dramatic like enter a burning building and rescue a child then you make a giant deposit." "Now don't forget that there is also positive karma. Good people, as we have on this list, will have a lot of this in the bank and if we listen to our souls we will know the appropriate time to cash in on it. I know a lot of you will just want to reinvest it so the good will continue to multiply and benefit the world." For me this keeps so many bound to 'trying to do good and be of service' and not resolving the unconscious patterns of repetition that keep their karma repeating and repeating. It also causes those to sacrifice their life 'as they understand Jesus did' to save someone else. So many women sacrifice so much in the hope of it giving them what they want, the 'cash out' of the money in that bank. I just cannot see it this way at all. Love gives for its own sake, it is for giving, and exists only in the giving. It is not about building up good and bad karmas. And finally I would ask you JJ: "I'm short on time tonight but will try and get back on topic tomorrow." I feel for all of us on the list, when something is occurring in our life, that it is the most important thing, not necessarily just the topic of the list at the time. For me it all is one, the topic would bring up what needs to be addressed, and we must look at it completely and apply everything we know, even if not the topic of the moment. Because for that person, what is occurring is very important, and if nothing is occurring are we really learning or just studying philosophy? Jill is a part of myself feeling 'off balance perhaps, disharmonious perhaps' and seeking direction and clarification. Is something more important than the soul reaching up and out to understand, and then the applications of the keys of knowledge (all the principles) directly applied to gain understanding and wisdom? So I feel we are right on topic, perhaps others do not. It would certainly be easier and quicker to just read what you say JJ and say well I agree or I don't agree in my mind...I feel we need to all respond to each other. Perhaps this is the path of high resistance, and not so acceptable. In love, light and laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4814 From: Zia Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance Greetings to All, And to you Glenys, your response on these questions covered the emotions and aspects so many ended up choosing that would lead to 'least resistance' or even sitting on the fence 'neither hot nor cold'. Just beautiful, your understanding. JJ says: "Whereas in the past disciples taught the world through their deaths, in this age disciples (with some exceptions) will teach the world through their lives." "This is why a knowledge of the paths of least and high resistance is so necessary at this time. Through an understanding of the switch in energies as one goes from least to high resistance one may then control the resistance he will create." "Question: Do you think this is true? Can we enter the path of high resistance and control our words and actions so the resistance we create will not be so dangerous? How can we minimize the danger of high resistance so we do not get thrown to the lions again?" I would have to respond here again with Sun Tzu's 'fear is the enemy'. It is truly the only enemy to me. It is often our fear of not being heard, or our fear of the consequences etc, that creates the emotion and the ultimate fanatical response to 'sacrifice a life for a cause'. Perhaps Jesus said he died for us so we would not have to choose this useless route ever again. I also like Sun Tzu's ideas of clever disguise, one may appear to be sitting on the fence (and actually observing, learning and regrouping one's thoughts etc), as well as using the appearance of 'least resistance' perhaps to test out the waters...so that with appropriate planning, free of fear (knowing the enemy well) we can then put forward our position and insights incorporating all aspects of least/high resistance. It is perhaps the willingness to edit and refine ones thoughts, having understood how all will respond from our 'testing the waters'. Knowing the enemy is also knowing other's fears, and therefore predictable reactions. Knowing choices of left, right, sit on the fence, no response, bow out or bow to, allows one to put their perspective in a way to perhaps 'stir' the hearts of all, to be in line with the desired direction and outcome. It is no longer just the eyes on the goal, but realising where all eyes are, and incorporating them into the desired goal. Such fun. Thank you for this opportunity. So what were the lions, other people's thoughts that ripped us apart, found our vulnerability because of the enemy called 'fear'? I don't see this as an 'I don't care attitude' whatsoever, I see this as caring enough to do the work to fully understand, and then apply what I have come to know. In JJ's words 'one may then control the resistance he creates'. If it is our desire for control, we will engage many reactions and pitfalls to understanding this course of thought. In the words of a great Master, 'I lead at the head of mine army of thought...I command no one....yet my will is done.' For it is in the 'creation' of my thoughts that address the whole situation and each individual, and create its desired outcome in thought, that indeed my will is done. There is no fear here, and no resistance. Knowing does not need control. In rolling laughter, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4815 From: Zia Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance Editor's note: Repeat of Post No. 4814 Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4816 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance "Question: Do you think this is true? Can we enter the path of high resistance and control our words and actions so the resistance we create will not be so dangerous? How can we minimize the danger of high resistance so we do not get thrown to the lions again?" Well, I could put the Truth in a book, but tell everybody it's only fiction I could stay hidden and use agents to spread the Truth. I could be a comedian and tell jokes that make you think, ha ha ha hmmm. Or I could go round telling the Truth, but tell everybody don't look at me I just read it on a web page on the net. Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4817 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance LOL Gee, Rick, that sounds uh, um, so familiar somehow. (and understated so well, too) Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-03/4818 From: Christopher Wynter+ Subject: The Attitude towards Resistance Hello everybody ... yes, I have posted this to other lists, but in light of the question on resistance, I feel it might be worth considering, as I have, the source of that resistance. We can go on and debate high vs low, but can we identify, and make real within ourselves, the sources of (tm).that resistance. Within myself, I had that battle ... for me it is now over and doing has no relevance for me I am now going to see if this was dictation thing works and I can sit here and talk to you rather than wear out my fingers on the keyboard. Sometimes it may seem to you that I'm not directly answering the questions that you are asking me... But if you can read the metaphor, the parable (if that's what you'd like to call it) you might be out of find that in what I say, is the answer to your question... at least in part. I don't want to tell you what to believe... And yet sometimes I will answer the question directly ... It would be very easy for me to quote what the textbook say, what others said, but like me you can read what the others have to say on the list or out of the same textbooks that the others are reading. Perhaps at this point I can quote a "Chris-ism"... I've developed a few of those in the course of the last few years. Consider this one "The only reason I need something to believe in is because I can't believe in myself."... And so I keep searching for something to believe in because everything else that somebody else tells me to believe doesn't resonate within my own psyche, my own thoughts feelings and emotions. Well, the first-lines didn't work too badly. There were the occasional words that the computer did not recognise so it seems that I'm going to have to go back and put in the occasional correction. I smiled with amusement and as I remembered that the programme is called DragonDictate and that what I have to do is re-educate the dragon and stop it inserting words I'm not really saying... so that I can see up on the screen what I'm saying, not what some unknown person is telling me it thinks I'm saying. What seems to happen is that the computer thinks it hears the words I'm saying and then goes into its memory bank to try and relate what it's heard with what it knows. In the context of this work, the mirror is that the translation of what we hear, see, feel, is in the hands of a programme written by somebody that we don't know, or that we have forgotten. And this is the way in which our unconscious works. The hard drive memory is located in every cell of our bodies. It contains behavioural patterns, reflex responses, beliefs, because throughout our history in this lifetime and during the lifetime's of our ancestors, we have been trained to observe, measure, record and respond. During our time in the womb, we were connected to our Universal source of nourishment through the navel, through the placenta. Feeding, sustenance, nourishment took place through the intelligence of the body itself drawing on what was to it, the Universal life force. And then we were born. Our experience of the birth, which we do remember, is another story. But how many of us were really prepared for the cord to be cut when it was. From my observations of this process, there is a time when the cord itself stops pulsing, breathing, communicating with the placenta. ... I have a remembering from my own body that I was cut from the placenta before I was ready and that my body went into shock. Momentarily I stopped breathing ... I died ... that pattern of shock was recorded in the cells of my body. I was held upside-down and belted on the bottom. Another shock to shock me into breathing in a way that the Doctor and nurses could see that I was alive and breathing. Another pattern of shock was recorded in the cells of my tiny body. I cried. I knew that if I cried I would be able to release that pattern of shock from my cells, but I was not allowed to cry. Some foreign plastic thing was shoved into my mouth and I was forced to take nourishment, some vile tasting liquid which I didn't really want. All I wanted to do was cry to release the pattern of shock... and I started to learn that I had to hold onto suffering... that it was not safe to cry... it even got to the point later in life where my mother used to give me a beating if I cried... But there were times when I was hungry and somehow I had to figure a way that I could get my mother to understand that what I wanted was feeding... But she had read Doctor Spock, who ordained, in her learned opinion, that the child should only be fed every so many hours. This of course suited her. She really only adopted me to fulfill her need to be a mother... and to use me as I tool of manipulation in the relationship with her husband. These are things I learned. No longer could I relate to the nourishment and abundance of the world ... I had to learn, with my head, to find ways that I could get my mother to hear me, and then the nourishment, such as it was, came when she decreed, not when I was hungry. I also learned to taste her moods... There were times when she was angry (or at least that's how I have learned to label the ugly red and black energy I saw coming out of her) and the taste of the bottle she gave me caused me to projectile vomit all over her... That didn't go down too well, I got yelled at... and the only foods I was really able to stomach were sweetened, that covered up some of the bitterness and resentment that I felt from her... But, I learned that I had to swallow everything that she fed me... Simple patterns that started in the first few weeks on which my survival and my comfort depended... I had to learn to play the game, and mother was the referee... and her approval of acceptance and me was the goal... But over the years she became more than the referee, she became the law. By watching my parents, I learned from father that the only way to avoid mother' s wrath was to pretend, to play the game, to do exactly she said, to humour her ... And sometimes it worked. I don't blame her, because she was brought up the same way as I was being brought up... She was really doing the very best she knew how... But I found out much later in life, because of the childhood experience of her own, she hated men ... how much of a chance did my father and I really have ...? But I can see now as I look back, and I have validated this with other people, the subtle patterns of looking outside myself, the subtle patterns of learning to play the game, the subtle patterns of not saying what I felt, of denial of my feelings, started way back in the beginning... in those first couple of years when I depended on the moods of my mother for my survival. Maybe these things will trigger you into remembering what it was like for you... Of course these aren't the whole of the reasons.. but they are the beginning of patterns which for some reason we (I) have followed all of our (my) live/s... They have been many other times since then that we tried to express ourselves, that we tried to express that Truth in us, and we have been told "little boys (or little girls) should be seen and not heard." And so the pattern of separation from the truth of ourselves begins... I began to hate that part of me that was my truth, that spoke out, that got me into trouble every time I opened my mouth... Is it any wonder that I had to search for something outside myself to believe, to believe in, because the truth of me as I spoke at was unacceptable. I have learned that in understanding where a lot of my beliefs have come from and what the foundations for them were, that I'm able to release these beliefs from my body. As I do release them I see again the blackness, and feel the emotions that I have held down inside me all of these years. In seeing how my upbringing has affected my life, I can understand and forgive my mother for what I perceived she put the through. I can also forgive myself for shutting down the Innocent that I was as a child. Thank you for your time, I hope these ramblings may provide some insight into what is underneath the thoughts feelings and emotions that you are experiencing as you confront the life which is the mirror of your beliefs. With great love and respect Christopher Wynter, Hobart, Tasmania wynter+AEA-bigpond.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4819 From: Xavier Subject: Re : Lessons from High Resistance J J Dewey writes: "Question: Do you think this is true? Can we enter the path of high resistance and control our words and actions so the resistance we create will not be so dangerous? How can we minimize the danger of high resistance so we do not get thrown to the lions again?" (BTW I actually didn't fall over all the stairs, I slipped on a step and landed 2 or three steps below. Just a few bruises, and shock for a minute. Thinking about the heap of cat food tin boxes down below :-)) I am experiencing a shift these days, wouldn't call it high resistance, but I do feel more able to take care of my daughter. I think the red meat I am eating since weeks now is a big help. (Talking about lions). Maybe we are not suppose to fight the enemy without, but within. There is much to do in our personal lives, that don't need to be projected in an exterior drama. Take the conspiracy topic for example. Much can be told these days, it is in the way one tells things. If he does it casually, quietly, and wisely (I mean taking the necessary cautions, anything that protects his life and makes him/her no interesting target, like spreading the info so much that killing or making him/her disappear would give audience to the message) it may very well be that everything can be said. I don't know if this encases in high resistance initiation, but I feel there is room for initiating things without preparing a bonfire for oneself:-) (Thanks for appreciating my posts and letting me now. I don't wish for comments, but I need to hear a feedback. These are all very personal.) So by controlling one's words and action, one can minimize the danger of high resistance.. yes, you don't need to upset the authorities too much. Do what you will, but don't do it for all to see, I mean don't be too provocative. Be enough provocative to have an effect on who needs it, but don't create emotional upheavals to the point of making a lynching probable. There are right places and times to tell the truth, and listening to one's soul thus speaking the truth is different from emotional dramatic exaltation, that can be sustained by a victim/evil-doer inner drama. (am I clear?) Much more can be said in self safety and responsibility, than by eccentricity and revolt. I think that the victim carries an inner picture of the bad guy and creates such a reaction in peaceful people by his/her own hostile tone. I have been much of an angry judge since adolescence and it is all very vain, what is just is to tell what you feel to the concerned person, not to build a world of fake enemies. Maybe do the dark forces only catch the ones that are unaligned inside. As when you began the list you were expecting resistances and finally there are few aren't there? And the ones that are here are our doing, not a negative reaction from outside to our light. (made it long once more, must be third chakra "thinking" :-) :-) Am reading Glenys' answer to the question, now this is head thinking:-) hahah little chakra will grow up- -) Zia too is especially brilliant. Now the list is expanding is it not? :-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4820 From: Xavier Subject: Re : Re: Digest No. 1999-06-02 of The Keys of Knowledge Jennifer Hampson writes: "And also Xavier's post. I have to agree with him that no child is brought up in unconditional love and security, and that all know some experience of trauma to some degree (even if it is just by the fact of being born)." As you may have sensed (and I sense you have:-) I have a personal story of abandon feelings and resentment for it. So this topic is always risky with me:-) Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4821 From: David Curtis Subject: Re: The Attitude towards Resistance Christopher Wynter writes: "I have learned that in understanding where a lot of my beliefs have come from and what the foundations for them were, that I'm able to release these beliefs from my body. As I do release them I see again the blackness, and feel the emotions that I have held down inside me all of these years. In seeing how my upbringing has affected my life, I can understand and forgive my mother for what I perceived she put the through. I can also forgive myself for shutting down the Innocent that I was as a child." I read about this in a book called "Anatomy of the Spirit" by Caroline Myss. Somehow, by letting go of the 'belief' system imposed upon you by your parents (bad beliefs, anyway), it's supposed to help heal you somehow. Even in JJ's book he touches on the idea that sometimes our parents plant things in our heads that can cause future damage. In Book One, it appears that part of her suffering is the idea that she carries her parents guilt, and that is expanded upon in Book Two to include a fear of hell. All ideas that came from her parents. On the other hand, the only person that gives those fears and beliefs power and authority over you, is you. Part of the reason Elizabeth had to listen to those tapes from her mother over and over again, was to learn that she was indeed capable of taking away that power and authority. Something that was not covered in Caroline's book. In order to let go of those fears and beliefs, one must face them. Until they are willing to face them, they will always be there, hiding in the darkest corner of their mind. - Dave Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4822 From: David Curtis Subject: Re: Forgiveness Zia writes: "JJ says: "Even if a person is in a state of complete forgiveness, or complete peace of mind, he is still subject to the laws of karma or cause and effect." "Now this is where I start to come unstuck with JJ. Forgive me JJ, this is important to me." "Karma, and cause and effect are dualities. To me a complete state of forgiveness would be in a state of love, a 'state for giving love' that is whole mind, one with all creation. In a state of wholeness, oneness, the thought 'IS', not action/reaction. The thought and the actuality are one. No separation, no duality. It must therefore be that our judgment creates the separation from this state of mind, causing duality and karma. (That judgment is our feelings...)The true feeling then becomes the 'joy of the ISNESS' in the manifestation. It is one." I have to come to the defense of JJ on this one. Let's say I was driving drunk one night, and inadvertently crashed into, and killed someone's child. A while down the road, the child's parents come to terms with this incident, and forgive me for my monstrous mistake. Does that release me from jail? No. Does that bring their child back? No. Let's say that I'm completely distraught about the whole incident, and have beat myself up about it. Then, after time, I forgive myself for the accident and let it go. Does that free me from jail? No. Does that bring the child back? No. Point is, while the forgiveness is there, that does not release me from my responsibility to pay for my mistake. I am required to pay for that in monetary damages, jail time, etc. No amount of forgiveness will release me from that responsibility. I wouldn't want it to. If I could just forgive myself and others for every little thing, and pay off my karmic debts that way, I would have been out of this world hundreds of lifetimes ago. I would have missed out on all of the wonderful lessons I learned. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing, and has helped my to remain at peace with myself throughout most of my life. I don't expect it to pay off my karmic debts, nor would I want it to. Service is our option to pay off those Karmic debts at a rapid pace. We can use Service to enhance other peoples lives, and in turn it enhances our own. We just have to get beyond societies idea that being a servant is a bad thing. After all, Christ was/is a servant, isn't he? Don't we all want to be like Christ? - Dave Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4823 From: David Curtis Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance J J Dewey writes: "Question: Do you think this is true? Can we enter the path of high resistance and control our words and actions so the resistance we create will not be so dangerous? How can we minimize the danger of high resistance so we do not get thrown to the lions again?" I think you are doing a lot of that right now. In your teachings, I've noticed that everything you've taught leads up to a new teaching in the future. You've taken specific steps to prepare our minds for upcoming truth that we could be resistant to. It seems that while you've taken the path of highest resistance, you've managed to use your method of teaching to reduce the effects of that path. Also, you wrote a book that could quite potentially bring serious ramifications upon yourself. However, by making a story of it, and writing it as fiction, you've reduced (quite a lot, probably) those ramifications. One way to reduce the danger of the PHR, is to think before you speak. A lot of people simply blurt out things they accept as truth, and don't realize that it could offend others. You need to use your intuition to help you decide if that particular person/group is prepared to hear what you have to say. Another way might be the use of parables. Truly enlightened people will be able pick out the lesson easily, while the others will learn the lesson when their minds are ready. - Dave Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4824 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance David Curtis wrote: "I think you are doing a lot of that right now. In your teachings, I've noticed that everything you've taught leads up to a new teaching in the future. You've taken specific steps to prepare our minds for upcoming truth that we could be resistant to. It seems that while you've taken the path of highest resistance, you've managed to use your method of teaching to reduce the effects of that path." I think that your answers or replies here speak volumes; very insightful. I am continually thrilled to see the wisdoms posted by all on this list. This is wonderful to be a part of the knowledge imparted here. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4825 From: (GREGORY PACE) Subject: Re: Re : Re: (OT) New Identity? maybe Keylights or Keyknights Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-02/4826 From: (GREGORY PACE) Subject: Re: Lessons from High Resistance How about NIGHTLIGHTS the glory of knowledge experienced that lights up the darkness of ignorance. Post No. keys-l: /1999-06-03/4827 From: Margaret Hampson Subject: Re: Fw: Sort of Off Topic Dear Jennifer, I did enjoy the reasoning in your 'sort of off topic' --- "(I get an image of the Archer, Sagittarius, striving for the stars and aiming his bow upwards when I think of becoming.)" The Archer aims at a specific goal and I think this sense of direction indicates one who is 'becoming' enlightened. When th