1999 - WEEK 16

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3866
From: xavier
Subject: Re : Formless Ideas
   J J Dewey writes: "If that possibility does not create interrest in the formless worlds, I don't 
know what will."
   uh oh why do you think people aren't interested? It's not because one doesn't answer that one 
isn't pondering deeply. Do as if we were, and we'll reveal who we are:-)

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3867
From: JILL SCHELL
Subject: Re: Spam alert
Hello Rick,
   Thanks for the warning. I did receive a message from this character. He said someone had 
given my name to him. I am invited to join his list.
   He is spreading a message of if we join the list we would grow spiritually at a rapid pace. With 
the list followers he was going to do some stuff to bring on the end time, such as unblocking the 
earth chakras, if I joined then I could possibly be saved. No I am not joining, didn't feel right to 
me. What came to my mind is what am I joining myself too?
   Thanks for the confirmation.
   I like your idea about Bumber Stickers. I might put the www. address after the sentence I use as 
a signature.
Have a great day all love, Jill
"I am becoming all I decide to become" - J. J. Dewey. "The Immortal"
http://www.freeread.com
I am an enormous fish in an infinite ocean.
I am infinite possibilities, watch me evolve and soar.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-18/3868
From: Robin Bryant
Subject: Re: Re: Formless Ideas
Hi all,
   "If that possibility does not create interest in the formless worlds, I don't know what will. JJ"
   I am fascinated by the formless worlds. I find my sustanance and nourishment there. I spend at 
least an hour every day communing with these worlds. Please don't stop talking about them. Isn't 
this where we came from?
   I want to go back for a while, at least. I know I can't stay there because my purpose is to 
experience what I have created from the void, as I call it. The void is where all things exist in 
potential, and my purpose is to make the unknown, known.
Robin

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-18/3869
From: Rick Audette
Subject: Virtue of the week
Tolerance
   Tolerance is the wisdom of not making judgments on fellow man since we can never be sure of 
their true motivations, trials and personal problems. Putting down the beliefs, habits and 
personalities, of others, is self-righteous and inexcusable. Instead of judging others by their 
errors, the tolerant man asks himself how he would behave if he were in the same situation. The 
tolerant man is slow to speak and act so as to increase his opportunities to spread peace and 
happiness in the lives of those he meets.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3870
From: Samu Karlsson
Subject: Half-OT: Kevorkian
   Hey Folks, and a great new week to All! :) Not too long ago we were talking about Jack 
Kevorkian. Ana Voog is probably best known for being one of the original cam girls on the net, 
getting thousands of hits daily on her site anacam.com that she started over 3 years ago, but she 
keeps herself busy with many other things as well, being a recording artist for example. She likes 
to ask a lot of questions just like we all here, and sometimes she types those questions out loud :) 
on her cam page. Recently she was asking what the visitors thought about Kevorkian, and asked 
that people would write their replies to the bulletin board on her site. One of the letters was from a 
man whose mother was assisted by Kevorkian, and Ana placed his letter on her analog page at:
http://www.anacam.com/analogs/analogn.html
   Just thought I'd share this with you, as it is a subject that creates many thoughts. And btw, if 
you read the page further you'll notice that Ana too has been thinking about a lot of the same 
things we have, time/space, manifesting, choices :) Sometimes she puts the address of a site 
she's enjoyed up on her page, and because of all the traffic to her site, this other site too is bound 
to get a lot of curious extra visitors. Now if we'd only be able to get www.freeread.com displayed 
in such place, the awareness of available knowledge would increase drastically :) You can reach 
more people faster over the internet than any other form of media, that is something we know to 
be truth :)
   SpiritWeb seems to be working normally again, yes!!! I had trouble accessing *all* my mail over 
the weekend, but that seems to be past now too. It's weird how handicapped you feel when 
you're temporarily expelled from email-land, makes you think about how great and privileged we 
are to be in touch with each other, people all over the globe, sharing ideas and feelings and 
bringing forth new time :) That feeling of unity inspires me and makes me wanna sing! Yeah! 
Anybody join me to do the harmony parts in the chorus? :D
Love is the answer, and you know that for sure
Love is a flower, you gotta let it, gotta let it grow
Samu :)

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3871
From: J J Dewey
Subject: Signs of the Return
   Questions under consideration:
   Does the Christ have to appear as an individual in a body of his own to fulfill the prophecy or 
could he appear in another way?
   Answer: I want to stress again that the Christ consciousness and the entity who occupies the 
position of the Christ are two different things. The teachings circulated about the Christ 
Consciousness are the first step in the Second Coming. The Christ Consciousness itself will 
increase on the earth for thousands of years and will be far from perfection in ordinary humanity 
any time soon.
   Stages two and three involve the direct participation of the great entity who occupies the 
position of the Christ for this planet. Stage One deals with the general lifting up of general 
consciousness, but stages two and three will be more specific events.
   As we previously mentioned stage two deals with an overshadowing of certain disciples. This 
may involve a direct overshadowing of Christ himself or also involve the participation of several 
masters in His inner circle.
   There are several degrees of overshadowing. The first is where the Master touches the soul of 
the disciple and takes his aura within the circle of his direct influence. In this case the Master can 
loosely work with several disciples at a time influencing and communicating with them to 
accomplish some great work. The overshadowed disciple realizes something is going on and 
believes that God or some great being is working through him.
   This type of overshadowing affected numerous great leaders in our past such as Winston 
Churchill, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. Jesus also went through this first stage 
before his baptism.
   The next stage of overshadowing is where the Master actually enters into the body of the 
disciple and lives there with him for a time as two entities in one body. This is sometimes called a 
divine possession and this is what happened to Jesus at the baptism. The Spirit of God (the 
Christ Entity) descended as a dove and went into the body of Jesus. He then stayed with Jesus 
for three years. The Christ then left the body when Jesus was on the cross (as one of you 
commented). This was when Jesus became concerned that he was forsaken by God. This is also 
why He made the comment: "it is finished." He knew the mission of the Christ was finished as far 
as sharing a body was concerned.
   The Christ can only have this second type of overshadowing with one disciple at a time 
because He as an entity must fully enter into time and space.
   The third stage of the second Coming will happen then in one of two ways. The Christ will either 
fully overshadow a disciple and work through him as he did with Jesus 2000 years ago, or if the 
people of earth advance enough in spiritual preparedness He will come in a body of his own that 
He does not have to share with a disciple. This would be preferable because He will not be 
limited by the free will of the disciple who owns the body and would thus be able to perform a 
much more powerful work than did even Jesus.
   If circumstances advance so He can come in a body of His own then that will be a glorious day 
for the planet, but one shrouded in mystery for it is not yet revealed how or even if that will 
transpire. He could be born as a babe, manifest out of the blue in a fully materialized adult body 
or travel here from a foreign country (in a jet plane through the clouds) in a body that He is 
currently using.
   Exactly how He is going to pull this off is His decision alone and because of world expectation, 
this Second Coming puts a pressure upon Him that only an entity of His evolution could handle.
   In the last coming He had enough problems dealing with a primitive people, but in this one He 
must work with a global society where the whole world will be able to examine Him on TV from 
their living rooms. The differences between then and now are overwhelming.
   The scripture reads: "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they 
also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."
   The group gave some very insightful interpretations of this. Zia pointed out that a future event 
seen by an ancient prophet would have to be described in the words of the time. Hence there are 
a lot of ways He could come in the clouds besides physically floating through them.
   In this age, as I said, he could fly through the clouds in a plane and as He lands in an airport the 
image of Him could be visible to every eye who wants to look at a TV.
   Clouds could represent higher consciousness that would be seen by every eye to some degree.
   Whatever the case when all is said and done we will find the prophesies are accurate, but 
events will not happen as the masses expect, just like last time.
   So what does it mean that "all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him."
   This is actually a reference to the Sign of the Son of man which is the major sign that His 
coming is near. New readers are advised to read in the archives about this or it may not make a 
lot of sense to you.
   The Sign of the Son of Man was the explosion of the atomic bomb in 1945 which did indeed 
make all kindreds of the earth grieve and become gravely concerned about the future of the 
planet.. From 1945 to the present Stage One of the Second Coming has also been put into effect 
and much progress has been made.
   Question: "How could those who "pierced him" be here to see Him when he comes?"
   Most of you were right on with this one for it is one of the most powerful scriptures in support of 
reincarnation.
   Isn't it a fitting masterpiece of the justice of God to have the very individuals who put the Lord of 
Light to death, for whom He prayed for forgiveness, to have these same individuals delivered to 
the same Christ, and greet him with a painful awareness of their sins? For some of these people 
(if they accept him) the Master will have great joy, like that of the Shepherd who found his lost 
sheep. Others will continue to follow the dark path.
   Here are several other signs of the Master's Coming.
   "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall 
come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Matt 24:4-5
   Has this prophecy been fulfilled?
   "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the 
coming of the Son of man be." Matt 24:27
   What is the fulfillment of this prophecy?
   Here is another prediction:
   And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud 
received him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, 
behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand 
ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so 
come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:9-11
   Fundamentalists see only one way this can be fulfilled and that is to have Jesus come floating 
down in the air from the clouds. What could be another way this prediction could be fulfilled?
   Most Bible believers believe that everyone on the earth will see Him at one time when he 
comes but this scripture gives us a clue in the opposite direction.
   We are told in this scripture that circumstances around his Second Coming will be similar to His 
ascension as described here. How many here saw him go into heaven? Will a similar number 
experience the beginning of his return?

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3872
From: Tracey Hobson
Subject: Re: Spam Alert
   That's kind of funny - I just sent the guy an email asking him to kindly remove me from his 
mailing list just before reading Rick's message.
   What a yahoo! Thanks for the info Rick...
Tracey

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3873
From: Anni Ida West
Subject: Keyster Teamwork: Promoting pages
Hi keysters
   Already many keysters have contributed to the content of the promoting pages. A warm thank 
you to all of you :-)
   Alex from the Netherlands has done a great job and translated one page about "The Immortal" 
to Dutch. It is there now to be downloaded and used by all Dutch people on this list. Also there is 
a new color poster that Rick made. Print it out - spread it around.
   Just today I made a new page about the bumper stickers - take a look if you like.
   Some new ideas have been added - thanks to your brilliant ideas. I still have some more ideas 
to look into - but keep sending them. I will look into all of them and put as many as possible out 
there.
   It would be nice to get the 1-page poster translated into more different languages, so if you 
have the time and know another language......
   Also I wrote to a Danish publishing firm about a month ago - sending them a free copy of Book 
1. Just got a letter back a couple of days ago that they will look at it and send some kind of 
answer in 6 - 8 weeks. Crossing my fingers that they will want to translate it :-))) (I know they will 
some day - why not NOW?)
   Alex, Lisa, Karen, Glenys, Sharon, Rick and all of the rest of you. Thanks for supporting the 
promoting page.
   If we want book three as soon as possible - let's be active and do something to promote Book 1 
and 2. (I know many of us do a lot already :-))).
   Look into the page and get some good ideas about what you can do:
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Terrace/2242
and keep sending your suggestions :-))
Love
Anni

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3874
From: David Curtis
Subject: Re: Signs of the Return
   "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall 
come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Matt 24:4-5 Has this prophecy 
been fulfilled?"
   In various ways, maybe. David Koresh might be an example of a 'false Christ'. Yet another 
might be Heavens Gate.
   "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the 
coming of the Son of man be." Matt 24:27 What is the fulfillment of this prophecy?"
   I need to start reading more. I'm drawing a complete blank. I think this may signify the 
'awakening' of the human spirit..per se. Maybe the Son of Man will spread his word of truth 
across the land, and it will shineth even unto the west. I'm sure someone else has a much better 
explanation.
   "Here is another prediction: And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was 
taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward 
heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men 
of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into 
heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:9-11 
Fundamentalists see only one way this can be fulfilled and that is to have Jesus come floating 
down in the air from the clouds. What could be another way this prediction could be fulfilled?"
   I'm not sure why that is the only way.. I don't remember anything about Christ 'floating' up into 
Heaven in that manner. If he returns in the same manner that he left, then it would make sense 
that his return would be about as quiet as his departure. A good way for this to be fulfilled is 
through overshadowing.. Maybe a reincarnate of Jesus? Or another great prophet?
   "Most Bible believers believe that everyone on the earth will see Him at one time when he 
comes but this scripture gives us a clue in the opposite direction. We are told in this scripture that 
circumstances around his Second Coming will be similar to His ascension as described here. 
How many here saw him go into heaven? Will a similar number experience the beginning of his 
return?"
   Yes. I think that his next coming will be as quiet as his departure. It will be like a 'thief in the 
night'.
- Dave

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3875
From: John Kosior
Subject: Greetings Friends (OT)
   Hello my dear friends. Well, the eagle has landed. If only for a little while. I'm writing to you from 
the city of Winter Park, Fl., where I have been planning my next move. But for now I am 
extremely well pleased to be back in your company.
   I've now completely caught up on all of the keys posts. This was a lengthy process as I had 
been away for a time, but I must say it was like taking a long, refreshing drink from a cool 
fountain.
   A word to JJ. Wow! Although I have always had great respect for your perspectives, I have to 
say that your latest teachings may be the most eloquent and insightful that I have read.
   A note to the rest of you FOLKS. You are all marvelous! From one end of the spectrum to the 
other, you each have expressed your particular facet of wisdom in grand form. I am really so 
happy to be counted amongst your numbers. You truly are the Finders Of Life's Keys in this age. 
And in the age to come, you will be counted as one of the Founders Of Loving Kindness. Folks by 
name, and Folks by action. Thank you all!
   I look forward to jumping back into the pool with all of you, but I will save that for another post. 
For now I've said what was on my heart.
Happy to be amongst the living,
John

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3876
From: Samu Karlsson
Subject: Re: Greetings Friends (OT)
   "I look forward to jumping back into the pool with all of you, but I will save that for another post. 
For now I've said what was on my heart. John!!! :)"
   A huge welcome back to you! It's so great to hear from you, I've missed your eloquent and wise 
input and presence. Yes, JJ's posts have been just wonderful lately haven't they? :) If the topics 
discussed here don't make you excited then I don't know what will. Just jump in the pool headfirst 
and enjoy this beautiful existence with the rest of the Folks!
Having that family feeling,
Samu :)

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3877
From: Zia
Subject: Signs of the Return
Greetings to all.
   These scriptures of Jesus' prophesized return, and your comments JJ have moved my mind to 
a profound level of understanding. I recall Nostradamus speaking of a certain event (which I 
cannot recall off-hand) but that it would be in the time of the return of the seventh angel known as 
the Ram. Ram has indeed returned as he also promised from 35,000 years ago, and it would not 
surprise me if he were the seventh angel of Nostradamus' prediction.
   This causes me to consider the 7 disciples and 8 principles from a different perspective, since 
the Ram said he was one of the 13 consciousnesses that made up the Christ Consciousness of 
Jesus. This is simply another perspective as you say:
   "As we previously mentioned stage two deals with an overshadowing of certain disciples. This 
may involve a direct overshadowing of Christ himself or also involve the participation of several 
masters in His inner circle."
   There are those among us now incarnate that remember Jesus. Of this I am certain. Even to 
remembering his voice, and of course his energy signature. As a child I used to say to people 'he 
is still alive, would you know him if he passed you walking down the street?' it usually caused 
rather unusual reactions in people.
   There are many groups upon the earth at present that I would say are already overshadowed 
from the 'Offices of the Christ' to use 'The Keys of Enoch' terminology for want of a better 
expression. These may be actually somehow the seven and eight referred to above.
   If this were true, then Christ's coming in actual form may be much closer than we anticipate. I 
asked myself why the Mayan calendar stopped at 2011. Could it be the Christ's return, and thus 
the calendar simply no longer valid 'AD'!?! And as so many have asked is this the actual date and 
many have said it is out by several years, since the object in South America is now giving out its 
sound. (I forget what the object is, a crystal form of some sort?)
   Then we also have to ask why so many UFO's now, and people having dreams and visions of 
UFO's as well as physical sightings etc. It is all a possibility of a return from other dimensions 
using very advanced technology. Even our technology is racing to meet up with what might be 
very advanced and already here.
   I wish to share a personal experience, as believable or unbelievable as John appearing and 
disappearing in the Immortal, or even JJ being taken to Tel Aviv.
   In my garden in Australia (where I lived at the time, but no longer) my gardener was putting up 
a sign with the name of my property on it. We were checking that it was straight together. We got 
to talking. I was talking about a recent trip to America. In the middle of the conversation, a person 
bumped into me, bumping hard my right shoulder. I turned in mid conversation, to see a 'person' 
in a silver suit, with a lavendar V on it, and a silver helmet of sorts on its head. I continued 
speaking, looking back at my gardener, finishing what I had to say, and then looked back at the 
'silver-suited one'. He had disappeared. I went into shock, not because he was there, but 
because he had disappeared. I went straight into the house. I could not say anything to anyone 
for three days about it. I was surprised at my 'bodily' reaction since I accepted so many different 
beings in consciousness. I saw 'him' once more, for that was the feeling of his energy. When 
packing my goods to move to America, a beautiful Maori woman was helping me. We stopped for 
lunch. Out on the balcony she said to me 'there is a man in a silver suit in your garden. he has a 
message for you. he is going with you.' I was surprised that someone else could see 'him'.
   It is possible that Jesus is already here, if John is his right hand man so to speak, well could he 
not also be here? And is he not planning his 'appearance' even now? Is he not working with us 
even now? And is this Christ being now to be different from him? does he still carry the Christ 
energy or is he now the CHRIST being?
ZIA

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3878
From: Zia
Subject: Signs of the Return
   Editor's note: Repeat post of No. 3877

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3879
From: Zia
Subject: OT John's Return
Hello and welcome back John,
   I do not know you well since you left shortly after I joined the list, however in reading the 
archives I always enjoyed what you put forward. I somehow felt a great loss when you left the list. 
I look forward to what you have to say. ZIA

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3880
From: Tracey Hobson
Subject: Re: Greetings Friends (OT)
   Welcome back to the feast John - yes, it just gets better and better, even though a good part of 
it is over my head. At least it's not beyond my heart to get it. Glad to hear you're alive and well. I 
can't even imagine catching up after several weeks, though. I still haven't gotten through the 
weekends posts (mind you, I'm actually trying to get some work done in between reading!).
   I'd hoped you'd be closer to California, but all good things in time, right? Take care!
Tracey

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3881
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Signs of the Return
   First, and most important, welcome back, John! We've missed you! It's great to know that you 
still have access to the list and can share with us every now and then. A blessing for all!! :-)
   J J Dewey wrote: "The Christ then left the body when Jesus was on the cross (as one of you 
commented). This was when Jesus became concerned that he was forsaken by God."
   I was interested to read the bible scholar, Rocco A Errico gives a different perspective on this. 
He noted that the KJV of the bible presents Jesus' cry as a question, 'My God, My God, why hast 
thou forsaken me?', implying that Jesus did not understand what was happening to him and that 
he felt forsaken by God (both unlikely scenarios, in my view). Errico says, 'However, this aramaic 
expression can also be understood as a declaration rather than a question - 'El, el, l'mana 
shwaqthani: O God! O God! To what {a purpose} You have kept me!' Jesus cried out with a deep 
knowingness of his reason for having lived and for dying. His cry was a victorious one. God did 
not abandon him'.
   Errico goes on to say, 'A terse and literal rendering of this cry would be, 'O Sustainer! O 
Sustainer! To what {a purpose} you have left me!' The word 'left' in this context does not mean 
'forsaken' or 'abandoned'. It means "remaining to fulfill an end or destiny". In the Lamsa Bible 
translation, this verse is interpreted as "At about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice 
and said, Eli, Eli, lemana shabakthani - My God, my God, for this I was spared". Dr Lamsa adds a 
footnote to the last part of Jesus' exclamation and retranslates it as "for this was my destiny!" '
   For me this provides a better and more logical explanation of Jesus' words on the Cross. Why 
would the Christ desert Jesus on the Cross (just when he needed Him the most) if He knew that 
Jesus would feel bereft. Not much of a thank you for three years of faithful service and sacrifice. 
You would think the Christ would stay until the point of death, if only out of compassion and love. 
After all, what difference would it have made to Him to do so?
   "He could be born as a babe, manifest out of the blue in a fully materialized adult body or travel 
here from a foreign country (in a jet plane through the clouds) in a body that He is currently 
using."
   By using the words 'travel here' are you saying that the Christ will have His base in the US, JJ?
   Your last suggestion (that He could appear in a body He's currently using) will no doubt please 
the Benjamin Cremes of this world. In fact, according to Creme, the Christ will be making an 
appearance on TV any day now (with dates and times being constantly revised). He's even got a 
photo of the Christ on the Share International site :-)
   "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall 
come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Matt 24:4-5"
   "Has this prophecy been fulfilled?"
   Absolutely! There are many who have claimed to be the Christ in the last 2000 years. We even 
have people who feel the term 'Christ' by itself is insufficient tribute to their glory so they feel 
obliged to embellish on the title eg Cosmic Christ. I would be more than content to meet the 
Planetary Christ myself but for some people that's not enough.
   "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the 
coming of the Son of man be." Matt 24:27"
   "What is the fulfillment of this prophecy?"
   Lightning can symbolize vastly powerful or terrifyingly swift power from heaven which can either 
be life giving or death dealing. In fact, I understand that many times in the bible where the word 
'light' is used it can equally be translated as 'lightning' especially where the Creative Principle is 
involved.
   So it could mean the light generated by bombs, or (probably more likely) the growth of the 
creative power in mankind i.e. knowledge, education, science etc. But I'm only guessing here 
................ :-)
   "Here is another prediction: And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was 
taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward 
heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men 
of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into 
heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:9-11"
   "Fundamentalists see only one way this can be fulfilled and that is to have Jesus come floating 
down in the air from the clouds. What could be another way this prediction could be fulfilled?"
   We already know that 'clouds' can signify many things. The fact that the word 'air' is used in 
conjunction with 'clouds' could mean that the Christ will appear when mankind's mental body has 
developed and matured to a certain point ie he will appear through man's enlightened thoughts 
and resultant growth in the Light. People would have to have reasonably active mental bodies 
before the Christ would consider overshadowing them, I would have thought.
   "Most Bible believers believe that everyone on the earth will see Him at one time when he 
comes but this scripture gives us a clue in the opposite direction."
   "We are told in this scripture that circumstances around his Second Coming will be similar to 
His ascension as described here. How many here saw him go into heaven? Will a similar number 
experience the beginning of his return?"
   Eleven apostles saw him depart. So it stands to reason that 12 will be there when he reappears 
(Judas was replaced later on). Or maybe they'll actually appear with him as the Spiritual 
Hierarchy.
Love
Glenys
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Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment.
- Rumi

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3882
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Signs of the Return
   Glenys Lowery wrote: "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the 
west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Matt 24:27 What is the fulfillment of this 
prophecy?"
   "Lightning can symbolize vastly powerful or terrifyingly swift power from heaven which can 
either be life giving or death dealing. In fact, I understand that many times in the bible where the 
word 'light' is used it can equally be translated as 'lightning' especially where the Creative 
Principle is involved."
   "So it could mean the light generated by bombs, or (probably more likely) the growth of the 
creative power in mankind i.e. knowledge, education, science etc. But I'm only guessing here 
................ :-)"
   I was just reading the Gospel of the Nazirenes to find that 'lightning' is, in fact, translated as 
'light' in this verse. The entire verse reads, 'Wherefore if they say to you, "Behold, he is in the 
secret chambers,' haste not to believe. For as the Light comes out of the East, and shines even 
to the West; so shall the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcass is, there the 
eagles will be gathered together'.
   So .........(new theory :-)...........maybe this verse is talking about the spread of Christian thinking, 
or Christ consciousness, throughout the world.
Love
Glenys
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Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment.
- Rumi

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3883
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: Greetings Friends (OT)
   Hugs to John. It's so good to hear from you again John.
Diane

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3884
From: xavier
Subject: Re : Signs of the Return
   J J Dewey writes: "Here is another prediction: And when he had spoken these things, while 
they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked 
steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which 
also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is 
taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. 
Acts 1:9-11"
   Well after the book I read (and which you talked to us about months ago) This ascending 
descending thing is about OFOs:-) A big starship beaming up and down. Sounds weird, but how 
else do you explain Moses opening the sea and such? I know Kabbala can do anything, but why 
bother when you have a starship supporting you?
   (BTW the book is "secret places of the lion", George Hunt Williamson)
   The two beings appearing, are Light brothers, assisting in Jesus' mission, and present with the 
starship.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3885
From: xavier
Subject: Re : Greetings Friends (OT)
   John Kosior writes: "Happy to be amongst the living,"
   And where were you before then? In an egyptian sarcophagus???? hahahah

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3886
From: xavier
Subject: Re : Re : Greetings Friends (OT)
   I wrote: "And where were you before then? In an egyptian sarcophagus???? Hahahah"
   oh come on i hope no one will take this as unkindly. I'm not referring as being a mummy or a 
zombie, but an initiate.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3887
From: Jennifer Hampson
Subject: Re: Everything
Dear Keysters,
   My post is going to jump all over the place as I am responding to postings on different topics 
with thoughts that occurred to me.....
   JJ wrote "You can then move the idea of your body from where you are now to halfway across 
the world if you want. After the idea of you body is moved, the physical form will materialize 
around that idea and you will find you will 
have physically moved 12,000 or more miles instantly without really moving. If that possibility 
does not create interest in the formless worlds, I don't know what will."
   Fascinating. I always wondered how to apport. Now why am I not on the beach of my tropical 
island paradise? Is my belief or idea or desire not strong or complete enough for me to manifest 
there? Is my consciousness or attention too attached to 'here'? If so, how do I loosen it? I 
certainly believe it is possible, and John showed it can be done physically. JJ can you offer any 
exercises or further thoughts to help me do this?
   Later, JJ wrote, "We are like flowers or plants in relation to the formless worlds. The more 
advanced of humanity have some limited contact, but we do not understand the great leaps in 
freedom and movement and understanding we will have when we are prepared to go there as 
living consciousness. How is this practical knowledge?"
   I know this was a rhetorical question which you subsequently answered JJ, but it also gave me 
a sense of my responsibility to my world and to the worlds and entities within me because I 
realised, with appreciation, that higher entities in formless worlds care for and are responsible 
towards me, whether they are aware of it or not. When they make leaps, it lifts me. So I guess 
when I raise my vibration, it affects it affects the microcosms of which I am caretaker who may 
regard me as a sort of God. Your analogy encouraged me to live my life as well as I can because 
I see that it is not just me I'm 'looking after'.
   Now, just a point on reincarnation: We do not necessarily incarnate in chronological order. My 
next incarnation might be back in Ancient Egypt, for example. A friend of mine is aware she will 
be working on computers in a space ship in her next life. (In the formless worlds where there is no 
time, all my incarnations are happening now, so it must be possible to travel and actually be 
physically in another life, another time, not just on another part of this planet - although that would 
be grand enough!)
   Moving right along.... I too look forward to talking more about the underrepresentation of 
women. This Aquarian Age we are helping to usher in is, to my knowledge, 'auspiced' by the Holy 
Breath which is the Feminine Principle of God. (A beautiful image for contemplation of the 
handing over of the Age from Christ, the Son, to the Holy Spirit, is Michaelangelo's Pieta statue in 
which    Mary holds the body of Jesus in her arms. It can be viewed at...
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/ftptoc/michelangelo_ext.html
http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/poster/pieta.jpg
   We (humanity) are moving from the number five (masculine number) to the number 6 (feminine 
number.)
   And another thing! Since Aquarius rules groups, maybe Jesus will return not in one body but in 
a group of people, and given the above maybe humankind will be sufficiently evolved by the time 
of the next coming to acknowledge the value of both the feminine and the masculine so that the 
group may be composed of people expressing through both sexes, ie males and females (and 
androgenous types?).
   Yet another topic.... I find the number 13 that was talked about interesting, as I believe most 
people on this planet today have 11 chakras, although some have 13 chakras. (Those who 'see' 7 
are not seeing all.) Is each disciple plus Jesus (in the heart) represented by a chakra? 
('Represented' might not be the word.)
   Thoughts for food
Love,
Jennifer

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3888
From: Robin Bryant
Subject: Re: Signs of the Return -Question for Zia
Hi to all,
   Zia, I have not heard about the object in South America and what the tone means. Would you 
please tell me more about it?
Thanks,
Robin

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-19/3889
From: Gary Richards
Subject: Re: Formless Ideas
   JJ writes: "Consider this. Your body is created from one major idea and many minor. Because 
you are now here in the body, this tells us that your consciousness is in the body."
   "The knowledge of the formless worlds becomes practical when you acquire the ability to still 
your regular consciousness and shift your attention to the higher life consciousness. In this higher 
consciousness you can then see a higher reality about your body. That is, it's higher reality is an 
idea rather than form. When you know this as a fact, here is what you can do. You can then move 
the idea of your body from where you are now to halfway across the world if you want. After the 
idea of you body is moved, the physical form will materialize around that idea and you will find 
you will have physically moved 12,000 or more miles instantly without really moving."
   "If that possibility does not create interest in the formless worlds, I don't know what will."
   You have my undivided attention JJ. I have had some very vivid dreams in the last 2 years and 
they are dreams that I still largely remember and many of the events have since occurred and 
much of the data has been validated. One dream I had was about traveling through space (not 
outer space) via portals. In this dream (and subsequent ones), I was able to simply open a portal 
in space and step into it. Inside was a place of great healing and peace, I could step out anytime 
to any place I desired and I could take people with me if so desired. In this place, all fears and 
hatred just melted as they were incompatible and simply could not exist in this space, nor did they 
return upon leaving this place. This dream has been with me every day for the last year and a 
half. I So look forward to the reality of this.
Love & Light & Madness
Gary Richards

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3890
From: J J Dewey
Subject: Never Taste Death
   Let me join the chorus in welcoming John back. I hope you can stay with us. You have insights 
from a unique point of view.
   Again, I do not have time to comment on all the group's answers. If I do not mention your 
comments that does in no way mean that they were not valuable to me or others. I often read 
your comments and think to myself that I must comment on them but either forget or just do not 
have time. Rest assured I read and reflect on all the group's writings. Many times a group 
member will write from a different vantage point than myself and offer something that will touch a 
soul that I cannot reach. Thus the group comments as a whole are more powerful than any 
individual.
   First Question: "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Matt 24:4-5
   Has this prophecy been fulfilled?
   There have been a number of people in history who have claimed to be the Christ but the 
prophecy extends further than that. Later in the chapter it talks about false prophets who will say 
such things as He is in the desert or secret chambers. We are warned here to not go to strange 
places expecting to meet Him.
   So far everyone who has made any prediction around the coming of Christ or of some location 
where He will be found has been wrong.
   Glenys mentioned Benjamin Cr=E8me. I remember the first time I read the "words of Christ" as 
they were revealed through him. They left me completely flat. No new knowledge, principles or 
wisdom. Then somewhere around 1988 he came up to Boise to give a lecture. I thought I'd try 
and be open minded and listen to him. I was surprised to hear him declare boldly that Christ was 
going to appear in about two months from the date of the lecture. He was going to be on 
television and his presence would be so powerful that the whole world would just know who he 
was and accept him.
   Well two months passed and this glorious event did not happen. Later I heard he moved the 
event forward, but still it has now been over ten years and no mass TV appearance of the Christ 
with every eye recognizing Him.
   Benjamin Cr=E8me was a student and personal acquaintance of Alice A. Bailey and he has a 
small amount of true data of the reappearance, but is caught up in a number of illusions and will 
continue to make false predictions.
   It's possible that someone may surface who claims to be Cr=E8me's version of the Christ, but I 
assure you that such a one will not be able to speak words as beautiful as the Sermon on the 
Mount or give even one parable comparable to those of Jesus.
   After we pass the year 2000 we are going to see more false Christs and prophets appear.
   "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the 
coming of the Son of man be." Matt 24:27
   What is the fulfillment of this prophecy?
   Several of you gave some good correspondences here. Let me give you one that has not yet 
been mentioned.
   Most of the light and higher knowledge that has stimulated the West since 1945 has been from 
the teachings in the East. The idea of the Christ Consciousness could not have permeated our 
society had it not been on the wings of the light of the East.
   The entire first stage of the Coming is due to the light of the east shining to the West. In addition 
to this Christ himself often dwells in a physical body in a hidden retreat in the East and it is 
possible He may travel to the West by orthodox means and begin teaching to certain prepared 
groups and then the world.
   In Acts, chapter one, that was quoted yesterday we saw that only a few disciples saw Him 
ascend. Then two angels appeared and told then that the Second Coming will be similar to the 
event that they had just witnessed. If this is true it would mean that when he comes again tha only 
a handful will recognize him at the initial event. Eventually every eye will see him, but this will 
happen over a period of time. We must remember that He plans on working directly with humanity 
in one form or another for a thousand years. After this mission is over He will leave this little 
planet for a time and another will assume the office of the Christ for an age.
   There have been a number of interpretations of the words of Jesus on the cross about the 
Father forsaking him. Even Secret Places of the Lion has a different twist. But, as it is written in 
the Greek, the translation is accurate and we even have this rendering in the Gospel of the 
Nazirenes, thought to be translated from the oldest texts available.
   The Christ was not being cruel in leaving Jesus on the cross for Jesus was an adept and not 
subject to pain. This is evidenced in a fragment of the gospel of Peter which tells us that Jesus 
was laughing on the cross. He found several circumstances around the event somewhat 
amusing. However to finish his mission and what some teachers call the fourth initiation he had to 
finish the job alone.
   The Christ did not completely withdraw, but only partially for a great purpose that has never 
been revealed before.
   A hint is revealed in these scriptures:
   "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. "Then said the 
Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and 
thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. "Art thou greater than our 
father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?" John 
8:51-53
   John 11:26 "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
   Here we are told that if we follow the words of Jesus we will never die.
   Question: Would Jesus teach something that He would not demonstrate? The whole world 
believes that Jesus died on the cross, but did he really? Is it possible that he practiced and 
demonstrated his teachings of overcoming death?
   Is it also possible that the words of Christ can enable us to never die also?

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3891
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Never Taste Death
   J J Dewey wrote: "Benjamin Creme was a student and personal acquaintance of Alice A. Bailey 
and he has a small amount of true data of the reappearance, but is caught up in a number of 
illusions and will continue to make false predictions."
   "It's possible that someone may surface who claims to be Creme's version of the Christ, but I 
assure you that such a one will not be able to speak words as beautiful as the Sermon on the 
Mount or give even one parable comparable to those of Jesus."
I've read some of Creme's writings and would have to agree, he says nothing new. He is a good 
example of a modern day false prophet - a little truth here, a little truth there, and an earnestness 
that convinces many to disregard the failed prophesies and inconsistencies in his teachings. 
There is no doubt that Creme believes in his mission and his message; I just wonder what the 
guy he's got tucked away somewhere believes as he prepares himself to come forth as the 
Christ.
 "In addition to this Christ himself often dwells in a physical body in a hidden retreat in the East 
and it is possible He may travel to the West by orthodox means and begin teaching to certain 
prepared groups and then the world." 
Well, we're ready for him here in New Zealand :-))
"The Christ was not being cruel in leaving Jesus on the cross for Jesus was an adept and not 
subject to pain. This is evidenced in a fragment of the gospel of Peter which tells us that Jesus 
was laughing on the cross. He found several circumstances around the event somewhat 
amusing. However to finish his mission and what some teachers call the fourth initiation he had to 
finish the job alone."
I wondered about that after I sent the email giving Errico's translation as I remembered that Alice 
Bailey said that Jesus, when He said 'Father, Father, why hast Thou forsaken me?' was actually 
experiencing His soul merging with His monad and for that, He would have had to had to lose His 
contact with the Christ. Interesting, the different slants the various translations can bring though. I 
had a feeling you would comment, JJ :-)
I understood that one ceased to feel pain after they had passed the fourth initiation but wasn't 
sure whether Jesus experienced the pain of the Crucifixion and the events leading up to it as the 
initiation wasn't completed until the final stages (I thought). But I *do* find the thought of a joyful 
and happy Jesus on the Cross very appealing.
"Here we are told that if we follow the words of Jesus we will never die. Question: Would Jesus 
teach something that He would not demonstrate? The whole world believes that Jesus died on 
the cross, but did he really? Is it possible that he practiced and demonstrated his teachings of 
overcoming death? Is it also possible that the words of Christ can enable us to never die also"
It seems to be a common teaching these days that Jesus didn't die on the Cross. It makes more 
sense to me that He didn't but I'm not attached to a view one way or another. I understand that at 
the fourth initiation, the body is made up entirely of atomic matter and the three lower centres are 
completely and utterly purified. Therefore, it stands to reason that the body would not be subject 
to the 'corruption' of death.
It's interesting how orthodox Christianity spiritualises Jesus' comments. We've been taught that 
when Jesus said we would never die, He meant that we would have eternal life. If He meant 
physical life, then I guess believing in Him means we can have eternal physical life as well if we 
choose it. How come believers through the ages, including His closest disciples, never took Him 
up on His offer? Except, perhaps, John :-)
Love
Glenys
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I cannot ruin the Mystery
I cannot reveal what I know perfectly
In the most secret core of me, something blazes joy
I can never put my finger on it........
- Rumi

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3892
From: Jennifer Hampson
Subject: OT: 'karma'
I'm not sending this to the list for the 'karma' chain mail stuff but because I thought you might like 
some of the sentiments expressed in the "Instructions for Life", as I did.
Jennifer
"Date: Monday, 19 April 1999 18:14
Subject: [Fwd: karma]
There's nothing wrong with a touch of good luck.
FOR THE NEW YEAR 1999 FOR GOOD LUCK AND GOOD LIFE.
THE FOLLOWING IS A NEPALESE GOOD LUCK TANTRA TOTEM
This tantra totem has been sent to you for good luck. It has been sent around the world ten times 
so far.
You will receive good luck within four days of relaying this tantra totem.
Send copies to people you think need good luck. Don't send money as fate has no price.
Do not keep this message. The tantra totem must leave your hands in 96 hours. You will get a 
very pleasant surprise. This is true, even if you are not superstitious.
INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE
1. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully.
2. Memorize your favorite poem.
3. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you want.
4. When you say, "I love you", mean it.
5. When you say, "I'm sorry", look the person in the eye.
6. Be engaged at least six months before you get married.
7. Believe in love at first sight.
8. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't have much.
9. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only way to live life completely.
10. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling.
11. Don't judge people by their relatives.
12. Talk slowly but think quickly.
13. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile and ask, "Why do you 
want to know?"
14. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk.
16. Say "bless you" when you hear someone sneeze.
17. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
18. Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your 
actions.
19. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.
20. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it.
21. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your voice.
22. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their conversational skills will be as 
important as any other.
23. Spend some time alone.
24. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values.
25. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
26. Read more books and watch less TV.
27. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll get to enjoy it a 
second time.
28. Trust in God but lock your car.
29. A loving atmosphere in your home is so important.?Do all you can to create a tranquil 
harmonious home.
30. In disagreements with loved ones, deal with the current situation. Don't bring up the past.
31. Read between the lines.
32. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality.
33. Be gentle with the earth.
34. Pray. There's immeasurable power in it.
35. Never interrupt when you are being flattered.
36. Mind your own business.
37. Don't trust a man/woman who doesn't close his/her eyes when you kiss.
38. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before.
39. If you make a lot of money, put it to use helping others while you are living. That is wealth's 
greatest satisfaction.
40. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a stroke of luck.
41. Learn the rules then break some.
42. Remember that the best relationship is one where your love for each other is greater than 
your need for each other.
43. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it.
44. Remember that your character is your destiny.
45. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. Now, here's the FUN part! Send this to at 
least 5 people and your life will improve.
~ 0-4 people: Your life will improve slightly.
~ 5-9 people: Your life will improve to your liking.
~ 9-14 people: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next 3 weeks
~15 and above: Your life will improve drastically and everything you ever dreamed of will begin to 
take shape.

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3893
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Jesus Laughed
A couple of years ago, a friend of mine commissioned an artist to paint a picture of Jesus 
depicting His joy in what many perceive to be his ultimate suffering, the Crucifixion. In it, Jesus is 
resting on a rock with the Cross between His legs and His head is thrown back as He laughs, 
almost uncontrollably.
My friend had prints made and I was lucky enough to be given one. He hung the original oil in his 
shop but had to take it down because so many people were offended. Some also returned the 
prints he gifted them because they could not deal with the concept of a joyous Jesus on the road 
to Calvary.
But I loved it and my print's hanging on my bedroom wall. I intend to scan it within the next few 
days to enable me to share it with others. If any of you want a copy, let me know.
Love
Glenys
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The empires of the future are the empires of the mind.
- Winston Churchill

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3894
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Jesus Laughed - Part 2 (Opps)
I forgot to mention that if you want a copy, write to me privately so as not to clog up the list (as I 
sit here clogging up the list ) <sigh>_
Love
Glenys
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
The empires of the futureare the empires of the mind.
- Winston Churchill

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3895
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: Jesus Laughed
I would love a copy Glenys, please.
Thanks,
Di

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3896
From: LeLona Hodges
Subject: Re: Jesus Laughed
   Glenys writes: "But I loved it and my print's hanging on my bedroom wall. I intend to scan it 
within the next few days to enable me to share it with others. If any of you want a copy, let me 
know"
   I would love a copy of it, Glenys! Thanks!

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3897
From: LeLona Hodges
Subject: Re: Jesus Laughed
   We're clogging the list....hahaha....sorry, I didn't read the next message after that one before I 
replied.....but that's okay, I think it will be interesting to see who wants one, besides Diane and I.

Post No. keys-1/1999-04-20/3898
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: Jesus Laughed
   Well, shucks LeLona and Glenys. I don't always get the posts in a timely manner. Sorry about 
that.
Diane
LeLona Hodges wrote: "We're clogging the list....hahaha....sorry, I didn't read the next message 
after that one before I replied.....but that's okay, I think it will be interesting to see who wants one, 
besides Diane and I."

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3899
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: Re : Re: The Prophesies
   Thanks, Xavier. That gets my pint across.
Love and Light
Marylin 
Xavier wrote: "Life (and the "mysteries" of it) is indeed very simple, it is us who complicate 
everything". This is said by those who have reached Liberation.
It is not a complicated thing, on the contrary, it is because it is so simple that we avoid? overlook? 
it. What about that?

Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-20/3900
From: Richard/ Sharon
Subject: Joyous Jesus
   Glenys, we would very much appreciate a copy. Thank you for making such a generous gift 
offer. Blessings, Sharon & Richard

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3901
From: Marylin
Subject: Re: Re : Re: The Prophesies
   Marylin wrote: "Thanks, Xavier. That gets my pint across.
Love and Light
Marylin"
   sorry again. I meant point, not pint. lol

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3902
From: Xavier
Subject: (OT) Pint; Christ and Rumi
    (giggles) and i thought it was a word i didn't know.
   I use also this message to tell Glenys I also would like a picture of the laughing christ with the 
cross between his legs. Dunno how much it costs, and suggest we might pay for it?
   BTW you mean a paper copy, right? Well, anything's fine.
   If you scan it, i suggest you put it on a keyster site::--))
   BTW Glenys, I'm grouping another message of mine:
"I cannot ruin the Mystery
I cannot reveal what I know perfectly
In the most secret core of me, something blazes joy
I can never put my finger on it........"
Rumi
   who's this Rumi? :-)

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3903
From: David Curtis
Subject: Re: Never Taste Death
   JJ wrote: "Question: Would Jesus teach something that He would not demonstrate? The whole 
world believes that Jesus died on the cross, but did he really? Is it possible that he practiced and 
demonstrated his teachings of overcoming death?"
   I'm almost positive that is the case. His physical body turn up missing from it's grave 3 days 
later. Several people saw him walking the streets after that. Mormons believe he went west and 
taught the Nephites for a short time after that..(in his physical body..) Mormons refer to that as the 
'resurrection'. Which has probably been the best explanation I've come across to date. To me 
(and most Mormons), resurrection is essentially the same as 'overcoming death'.
   "Is it also possible that the words of Christ can enable us to never die also?"
   On this answer, I think Glenys has it exactly right. =)
   "If He meant physical life, then I guess believing in Him means we can have eternal physical life 
as well if we choose it. How come believers through the ages, including His closest disciples, 
never took Him up on His offer? Except, perhaps, John :-)" - Glenys Lowery
- Dave

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3904
From: Zia
Subject: Re: Signs of the Return -Question for Zia
Robin,
   If my memory serves me correctly here, there are some standing stones in the Mayan ruins 
which have a prophecy attached to them, that they would start emitting a sound, to indicate the 
coming end of time, I believe to be 2011 by the Mayan calendar. One remote reference that 
comes to mind is Surfers of the Suvuya by Jose Arguelles, however I know I referenced this 
more, and have seen a reference to it now being active, actually humming.
   Does anyone else recall this information? ZIA
   Robin Bryant wrote: "Hi to all, Zia, I have not heard about the object in South America and what 
the tone means. Would you please tell me more about it?" Thanks, Robin

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3905
From: Tracey Hobson
Subject: Re: Never Taste Death
   JJ wrote: "Question: Would Jesus teach something that He would not demonstrate? The whole 
world believes that Jesus died on the cross, but did he really? Is it possible that he practiced and 
demonstrated his teachings of overcoming death? Is it also possible that the words of Christ can 
enable us to never die also?"
   Hmmmm... well, climbing out of my conditioned box, I guess I'd have to say that, yes, it is 
entirely possible that Jesus did not, in fact, die. If there are yogis among us now who can slow 
their hearts to such a slow rate, it is not a quantum leap of the imagination to think that Jesus 
could do that to the point of others believing he was dead (i.e. such a slow, faint pulse as to seem 
non-existent, unnoticeable breathing, etc.).
   I suspect it is possible that Christ's words can enable us to never die. I mean, who REALLY 
knows how long some of those Tibetan monks have been around? Not I. Besides, with God, all 
things are possible, right JJ? ;-)
Tracey

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3906
From: J J Dewey
Subject: Hint
Hint
   As Glenys said there are those who have varying beliefs about Jesus escaping death on the 
cross.
   The famous book, The Passover Plot" put forth the theory that Jesus faked his death. He was 
not really resurrected, but with the cooperation of his disciples faked the death and resurrection.
   Another twist on this is that there was no plot but Jesus was just lucky enough to survive the 
ideal and was revived.
   Still another concept was presented by Seth that the real Jesus sent a disciple to be crucified 
for him. Since everyone thought Jesus was dead, because they thought they crucified him, then 
when the real Jesus showed up everyone thought he was resurrected.
   None of these tells it correctly. The real Jesus was crucified and after the event, by all human 
standards, he was dead and seemed to be dead for three days.
   There is a final event that must take place before a person is technically dead. What is it? A hint 
is given in Ecclesiastes 12:6-7.

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3907
From: David Curtis
Subject: Re: Hint
   JJ wrote: "There is a final event that must take place before a person is technically dead. What 
is it? A hint is given in Ecclesiastes 12:6-7."
   Excuse my negligence, but could someone post that reference? =) I'm a little lacking in the 
Bible department right now. Thanks.
- Dave

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3908
From: John Kosior
Subject: Never Taste Death
Hi Folks!
   I want to thank you all for your warm welcome. I'm very glad to have a home base where I can 
interact with you all again. It looks as if I'll be here for at least some months before I embark on 
any more travel, and I look forward to our sharing.
   J J Dewey wrote: "Question: Would Jesus teach something that He would not demonstrate? 
The whole world believes that Jesus died on the cross, but did he really? Is it possible that he 
practiced and demonstrated his teachings of overcoming death? Is it also possible that the words 
of Christ can enable us to never die also?"
   Well, a couple thoughts come to me here. To start with, I hear the words of Paul when he 
claimed that "It is for freedom that you have been set free. Therefore do not let yourselves again 
be put under a yoke of bondage". This bondage he speaks of could be interpreted as any one of 
a million different things, but to be appreciated and attained, we have to look for the answer in the 
principle. As I see it, bondage (also translated as slavery) is anything which holds another thing 
captive or "bound". It seems that this principle has been at work amongst humanity for quite some 
time now. In this time, we as a race have been kept bound to the rules of the world as we see 
them. One is born. One grows up. One grows old. And one dies. These, as well as paying taxes, 
are generally accepted as truth by all of humanity. And for good reason, because few if any of us 
has witnessed anyone escape these things. It's almost like a law. So how could Jesus, or anyone 
else, escape this principle? It would be like breaking the law, and certainly we don't want to be 
law breakers, right? In fact, we can't break the law. There is truly no way to break the law of 
death, for we are bound to it like we are bound by the law of gravity. I know this to be true 
because I can demonstrate that law very easily. If I were to take a piece of steel and toss it up to 
the sky in the hopes that it will fly, it will, due to the law of gravity, come crashing back to the 
earth. Principle understood. Law established. End of story. Right? Well, it could be the end of the 
story, but it's not. For we have learned from our experience that steel can fly. All that needs to be 
done is to apply another law that supercedes the law of gravity. Let's call that law the law of 
aerodynamics. And if we apply the law of aerodynamics to the steel, we may transform our hunk 
of steel into a Boeing 747 and we can watch the law of gravity bow to the higher law of 
aerodynamics.
   My friends, our race has spent eons clinging to the law of death with all it's associations; 
sickness, pain and destruction. We've experienced it in a million ways. We can demonstrate it. 
And the principle is never going to go away. It's a law. The bible calls it the "law of sin and death".
   But JJ asks: "Is it also possible that the words of Christ can enable us to never die also?"
   And I ask, can steel fly?
   If we will learn AND apply a higher principle, then the answer is a resounding yes.
Aint life grand??? :o)
John

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3909
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: Hint
   JJ wrote: "There is a final event that must take place before a person is technically dead. What 
is it? A hint is given in Ecclesiastes 12:6-7."
   David Curtis wrote: "Excuse my negligence, but could someone post that reference? =) I'm a 
little lacking in the Bible department right now. Thanks."
   Here it is Dave.
   'Remember Him before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by 
the well is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed Then the dust will return to the earth 
as it was, and the spirit will return to the God who gave it' (NASB)
   They're well known verses about the steps involved in death. JJ is obviously saying that these 
things didn't happen to Jesus (or not all of them anyway).
Love
Glenys
PS I've received lots of replies to my offer of Jesus Laughing. Forgive me if I don't reply to them 
all. I hope to scan it within the next few days and then I'll email it to you.
PPS Xavier. Rumi is a 13C Sufi mystic and poet who often wrote about his relationship with God 
in ecstatic, passionate terms. He's reputedly the widest read poet in the world. I love him. His 
short poems (some of which I use as sigs) provide a good balance for me on this list which is 
quite intellectual in nature (and appropriately so). Sometimes it's good to be reminded of that 
indescribable love we have burning in our hearts that is beyond analysis.
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Limitless void!
Splendour into which all forms vanish!
You have appeared in my forehead
Like my own diamond

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3910
From: David Curtis
Subject: Re: Never Taste Death
   John Kosior wrote: "If we will learn AND apply a higher principle, then the answer is a 
resounding yes. Aint life grand??? :o)" John
   Well, John. You sure like to make a big entrance, don't you? =) I like your explanation 100 times 
better than the one I managed to conjure up. Well said!
   Now what is that higher principal? As if anyone could just explain it. =)
- Dave

Post No. Keys--04-20-1999/3911
From: John Kosior
Subject: Re: Hint
   David Curtis wrote: "Excuse my negligence, but could someone post that reference? =) I'm a 
little lacking in the Bible department right now. Thanks."
Eccl 12:6-7
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the 
fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
(KJV)

Post No. Keys-04-20-1999/3912
From: David Curtis
Subject: Re: Hint
   Glenys Lowery wrote: "Here it is Dave.
   'Remember Him before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by 
the well is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed Then the dust will return to the earth 
as it was, and the spirit will return to the God who gave it." NASB)o
   Thanks, Glenys. I really need to go dig up my old Bible.
   In response to JJ's question; "There is a final event that must take place before a person is 
technically dead. What is it? A hint is given in Ecclesiastes 12:6-7." - JJ Dewey
   The final event is very likely the returning of the spirit to the God who gave it. Could he have 
skipped this last step?
- Dave

Post No. 04-20-1999/3913
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: The Silver Cord
   If anyone is interested in the symbolism in the verses, here's one interpretation I've come 
across:
   "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken."
   THE GOLDEN BOWL, THE HEAD; THE SILVER CORD, THE SPINAL COLUMN WHICH 
SUPPORTS IT. GOLDEN AND SILVER DENOTES THE PRECIOUSNESS OF MAN'S LIFE AND 
NATURE.
   Or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."
   THE WHEEL, THE HEART, THE VERY FOUNTAIN SPRING OF LIFE. THE PITCHER, THE 
GREAT AORTA, FROM WHICH IS POURED THE BLOOD INTO THE WHOLE ARTERIAL 
SYSTEM. AS WHEN THE PITCHER AND THE WHEEL ARE BROKEN, WATER CAN NO 
LONGER BE HAD, SO LIFE CEASES WHEN VITAL ENERGIES FAIL.
   "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave 
it."
   THAT'S ALL FOLKS!!!
   My understanding (which isn't a lot these days) is that the silver cord is the link or interface 
between the etheric body and the physical body. It essentially allows the etheric body to move 
outside of the sense dimensions of the physical body during sleep or deep meditation. That's the 
link people sometimes see when they are astral traveling or leave their body during other times - 
trauma, for example.
   The physical body remains alive while the silver cord is attached, but once severed life ends. 
So it appears that Jesus' silver cord wasn't severed.
Love
Glenys
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The empires of the future are the empires of the mind.
- Winston Churchill

Post No. Keys 04-20-1999/3914
From Doreen Esberk
Subject: Re: Joyous Jesus
Glenys:
   Thank you so much for this wonderful offer.
   I would love to have a copy. Sincerely Doreen

Post No. Keys 04-21-1999/3915
Subject: Re: Never Taste Death
From: Clive Culbertson
   Dear Friends, Enjoying everyone's posts on the current subject. With regard to the scripture in 
Matt. 24, 4-5, Many shall come in my name saying I am Christ, and shall deceive many.
   I believe this scripture refers not to people coming and saying THEY are Christ. It refers to 
people coming and declaring Jesus to be Christ. Followers of Jesus will be lulled into a false 
sense of security believing that these people who declare Jesus to be Christ must be his servants 
and be doing his work. They will be left open to be deceived by these self serving people who will 
preach false doctrine and lead the people astray. That gives it a whole other slant, doesn't it?
Best Wishes, Clive.
http://homepage.virgin.net/clive.culbertson

Post No. Keys 04-20-1999/3916
From: Mary Dodd
Subject: Re: Never Taste Death
   it certainly does!
Clive Culbertson wrote: " Dear Friends enjoying everyone's posts on the current subject."

List Archive keys-l: /1999-16/3917
Subject: Re: Hint
From: Rick Audette
   Yes, the silver cord is one of the things. I have heard that when it is severed the spirit and body 
are no longer connected and it is death. I heard it different than Glenys, in that it is not the Etheric 
body which is connected by the cord, but rather the mental body, or soul. The etheric body is the 
glue that holds the physical body together and all physical manifestations appear to have an 
etheric body. There is one more thing that must occur for death to be total. If there is still an intact 
physical body, it can be "galvanized" and animated, telepathically, by an entity wishing to do so. It 
is said that this is usually a nefarious practice and is the basis of the making zombies. Also, dark 
forces introduced the practices of embalming the dead, because as long as the body survives, it's 
original owner cannot re-incarnate in a new body. That would effectively retard ones soul growth. 
After hearing all this, years ago, I decided, that when I go, I want either to be cremated or stashed 
in the woods, where nature can have her way with what's left.
   When Jesus was hung on the cross, there were several departures from the normal 
procedures. First, his legs were not broken. When you hang by your arms, on a cross, it is very 
hard to breathe and asphyxiation is the principle cause of death. By breaking the leg bones, they 
remove the support needed to push up and get a breath. Those killed in this manner were usually 
left there for days, but Jesus was only up there for a few hours. Could he have lived through it? 
Yes. When Jacques De Molay, Grand Master of the Templars, was tortured by the Inquisition, by 
an identical means, he lived another seven years after, according to the records. You can read 
more about Jacques in "The Hiram Key", by Knight and Lomas, isbn 0-7607-0967-x. You know 
what Jacques is, in English?
Hope that wasn't too gory, for ye,
Rick

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3918
From: Adrian Bradley
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-04-20 of The Keys of Knowledge List
Greetings to all you list members:-)
   I am more of a 'lurker' than a contributor -- don't get a lot of time usually -- but I do find your 
discussions stimulating at times:-)
   Your recent contributions about the 'Christ' reminds me of the on going story that has been 
circulating for some years now by Benjamin Creme.. I'm sure some of you will be familiar with this 
-- indeed I see some contributors seem to have eluded to the story without actually mentioning 
the Creme connection, others have mentioned it briefly, so for those of you who are not so 
familiar with this version I'd like to give a brief outline below. I would point out first however that 
I'm not saying that the events described are 'true' -- I don't know one way or the other but the 
story is quite fascinating, and it is up to every individual to access the accuracy --- or the meaning 
that it may convey to them.
   I first heard and read pieces in the press over ten years ago that made reference to a great 
spiritual being living within the Asian community of London -- around the Brick Lane area. After 
reading several unspecified reports, which made references to some 'un named' but supposedly 
prominent public personalities and politicians seeking out this person I realized that the person 
most associated with these stories was Benjamin Creme. I attended one of Cremes lectures 
some years ago in London, and went to the March lecture last month to see if the presentation 
had changed much. Basically the event was the same - Creme seems to just present his story, 
and asks only that people give his views a fair hearing -- if they are not accepted by anyone - he 
makes it quite clear that he will not be offended in anyway -- and in no way will anyone be 
'damned'. No pressure is applied during the lectures for money - or for anyone to sign up to any 
organisation. He accepts voluntary donations - and copies of his books and tapes are on sale. If 
you find that Creme is giving a lecture in your area it is quite worth a visit .
   Benjamin Creme currently gives lectures in London - monthly - and around the world - 
proclaiming that the 'Christ' is actually living in the World now -- and has been since 1977.
   Cremes early interest was in the works of the Theosophical works of H P Blavatsky - 
Leadbeater - Alice Baily etc. In his early days Creme followed the teachings of Sri Ramana 
Maharshi -
   According to Creme the increase in 'spiritual awareness' has been generated by the guidance 
and stimulus of the ' Masters of Wisdom'. Much of their work is said to have been carried out by 
their 'deciples' both men and women like Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Mozart and Micelangelo. 
The Lord Maitreya who embodies the 'Christ Principle' is said to be the Master of Masters, the 
head and leader of a group of 'enlightened beings'.
   Creme reiterates that all religions await the coming of a teacher, Christians the return of the 
Christ, Moslems, the Imam Mahdi or Messiah. Hindus await the return of Krishna and the Jews 
the Messiah. Buddhists await Maitreya Buddha. According to Creme these are different names 
for the 'same' being - The World Teacher.
   Creme assets that 2000 years ago Maitreya manifested 'Himself' through 'His' deciple - Jesus 
by a process of 'Overshadowing'. According to Cr?me Maitreya has now returned -- in person -- 
as the World Teacher -- for 'all' groups.
   In 1959 Cremes says he started to receive messages in a telepathic form. Some instructed him 
to rendezvous with people unknown to him in various parts of London. Creme states that the 
'messages' he was receiving were from a Master or Masters. Some of these 'communications' 
referred to the coming of the World Teacher whom Creme refers to as Maitreya. In June 1974 
Creme was amongst a small group who began to receive an 'overshadowing' by Maitreya himself, 
these took the form of messages which outlined the proposed arrival of Maitreya into the every 
day world. According to Creme Maitreya 'created' a body in which he would live in the every day 
world - this is said to be different from Maitreya's 'body of light' -- the body of a perfected Master -
- that remains safe in a retreat deep in the Himalayas.
   Creme states that Maitreya descended from his retreat in the Himalayas on the 8th July 1977 - 
and entered London England on the 19th July 1977 - where he took up residence as an 
apparently 'normal' member of the Asian community - from where he is said to await an invitation 
through the Worlds media -- the peoples 'representatives' to come forward as the World Teacher. 
According to Creme the 'Appearance' of Maitreys - the World Teacher will be precipitated by a 
global crash of the stock markets, which he claims is already underway, and was begun in Japan 
some years ago.
   According to Creme Maitreya and a group of Masters currently in 'incarnation' will make them 
selves known to mankind at the 'appropriate' time. Probably the most well known of these other 
Masters is the Master Jesus -- whom Creme says is currently residing close to the Vatican - and 
whose 'job' will be to guide the Christian Churches back into the 'correct' direction. The 
reappearance of the 'Christ' Creme states is the outer manifestation, of the Spiritual Hierarchy of 
which he is head -- and which will slowly emerge for the first time since Atlantean times, when the 
Hierarchy of Masters and their followers last openly worked amongst mankind in such numbers.
   The 'Christ' is here not to establish a group of 'devotees' around him - according to Creme - but 
to teach and lead all segments of mankind into the right ways of dealing with 'society'. The corner 
stone of this would be the idea that humanity needs to 'Share' the resources of the world in a 
more equitable way than as ever been done before. This would involve huge changes - especially 
in the economically 'rich' countries of today, who usurp the majority of the worlds riches for their 
own gain.
   The core of Cremes message is that Maitreya -- The Christ -- will one day soon make himself 
known to the entire population of the World by 'Overshadowing' the entire population in a 
telepathic way that has never done before --- it is by this method, Creme states that Maitreya will 
be recognised as the true manifestation of the Christ by a huge proportion of the worlds 
population on this day of 'declaration' -- he expects that the main opposition to this 
'announcement' will arise from the fundamentalist groups within all the major religions, which is 
why Maitreya is said to spend much of his time even today - 'appearing' - at gatherings of 
fundamentalist groups of all kinds around the World -- in an attempt to 'soften' them up before he 
declared himself to humanity at large. Following this event Creme states that Maitrya will remain 
and work with humanity for the next 2500 years - until the age of Aquarius comes to a close.
   The 'teachings' of the 'Christ' will it is said be released in phases, but will emphasise the the 
'oneness' of humanity, the 'fact' of the human soul, and on the need for 'sharing and right 
relationships'. The laws of Cause and Effect and the fact of rebirth will be central to the messages 
- and the absolute need for 'harmlessness' in all relationships.
   The leading of the Worlds populations through various 'Initiations' will be a large focus for 
Maitreya and the Masters in the future. It is Cremes belief that the so called ' born again' Christian 
groups have an instinctive 'feel' for the first initiation in that it is the 'second birth' - this experience 
is said to be currently shared by millions of people and is not the exclusive domain of the 'born 
again' Christians. The first initiation is said to demonstrate control over the physical body - the 
second initiation is said to demonstrate control over the 'emotional' or astral and emotional 
elements. and one has to in effect free himself from the 'emotional' bondage one carries. This 
process - it is said, may take many lifetimes too achieve. It is Cremes assertion that with Maitreya 
working openly in the World in the near future - then many souls will be aided in the taking of the 
second Initiation. The 'second' initiation is said to be one of the most difficult -- in that the initiate 
is seen to be immersed in the 'fogs' of desire - The third initiation some say is the 'first' true soul 
initiation -- and was represented by the Transfiguration of Jesus on the Mount. This initiation 
demonstrates control over the 'Mental' sphere and is said to truly bring the spirit ( sometime 
referred to as the Mondadic ) into contact for the first time. According to Creme Maitreya acts as 
the 'Initiator' at the first and second of the Initiations.
   Jesus is said to have been born a third degree initiate - and so simply 'symbolised' these 
various stages of 'growth' -- however he had to actually undertake the 'fourth' initiation and did so 
in order to demonstrate the experience of 'Renunciation'. In the West this is more commonly 
known as the Crucifixion' -- in the East it is referred to as the 'The Great Renunciation' -- a time 
when all is renounced -- position -- family -- even life itself if necessary. I believe Creme has 
stated that Jesus reincarnated some years after the Crucifixion as Apollonius of Tyana in northern 
India -- this is said to be the basis of some stories that Jesus in fact escaped death at the 
Crucifixion and managed to escape to India. Apollonius was said to have been a 5th degree 
Initiate upon his death.
   Following the 'fourth' iniation comes the 'fifth' -- the 'Resurrection' symbolised in Christianity by 
the body of Jesus after the Crucifixion. Following the 'fifth' initiation one is said to be able to 'stand 
free from the pull of matter for ever' and this is what the esotericists refer to as a 'Master'. Such a 
Master then has a choice on whether to remain on the Earth or to move onto other levels.
   There are said to be further 'Initiations' -- the 'Ascension' --- symbolized by the ascension of the 
Christ after his appearance before the disciples in the 'resurrected' body of Jesus is said to mark 
the 'Sixth' initiation -- this it is claimed confers 'Cosmic' Consciousness on the Master .
   The 'Initiation' process is not to be seen as a passing of a series of examinations -- but rather 
the gradual expansion of consciousness -- a process which many on this list seem to be at least 
'instinctively' aware of.
   It is interesting to note that according to Creme - up until 1986 only around 800,000 people in 
incarnation at that time had taken the 'first' Initiation, 240,000 had taken the second Initiation, 
around 2- 3000 had taken the third -- and some 450 Initiates had taken the 'fourth' Initiation. As a 
'rough' guide he states that one who has taken the 'first' initiation will be able to demonstrate a 
considerable degree of control of the desires of the physical body, and will have a 'general' 
attitude of 'inclusiveness' and 'goodwill' with a strong sense for 'altruistic' service. 'Idealism' will 
tend to be strong with a sense of 'group' awareness. Initiation confers 'Power'. - simple 'goodness' 
it is said, is not necessarily the mark of an 'Initiate'.
   According to Creme -- from the point of view of the Masters - one is not truly an Initiate until the 
third Initiation has been taken -- the first two being seen as 'degrees' of Initiation of the 
personality.
   One of Cremes main points -is that each person has a 'Ray' structure which seems to indicate 
their own 'potentiality' at any given time - this seems a rather complex structure - and maybe the 
list would like to go into it more fully at some future date.
   Below is an extract from the latest Internet publication by Benjamin Creme - further information 
can be found at one of the Share International web sites such as:
Regards to you all
Adrian
Editorial
SHARING AND CHARITY: TO WHOM SHOULD WE GIVE?
   By all means give to charity, the more you can give, the better; do all you can to alleviate the 
suffering of those less fortunate than yourself. If you could not identify with your fellow human 
beings, with the need of your brothers and sisters, then you would not be a disciple and you 
would not be involved in this work. 
   But when Maitreya talks about sharing, He's talking about the acceptance of a principle which 
must (if humanity is to survive at all) govern all aspects of our economic life. And, yes, I do mean 
economic, I'm not just talking about the 'sharing' of ideas.
It's not just a question of sharing what you, personally, possess with those who have less. It's a 
question of humanity seeing itself as one family -- with all the consequences of that realization. If 
humanity accepts that it is one, then it follows that the resources of the planet (the food, the raw 
materials, the energy sources, etc.) belong to all, and must be distributed according to *need*, 
and not according to the ability to pay.
   Current economic structures, based on competition and the 'free market', ensure that only those 
who can afford to pay (generally speaking the wealthy 33 percent of the world's population) get to 
eat properly, are adequately housed and clothed, have proper access to education and health 
care -- all basic essentials for a decent life. The acceptance of the principle of sharing in 
economic affairs entails the implementation of measures which guarantee these basic essentials 
to every one, whether he/she can afford to pay for them or not. This will mean a complete re-think 
of the way in which we relate economically, on a global scale. The implications are quite 
astounding.
   The amazing thing is that sharing really is the key -- the implementation of this one apparently 
simple idea will indeed lead to solving most of the world's most pressing problems (not overnight, 
of course, but, we are told, surprisingly quickly). Charity alone, although important at the moment 
to alleviate the suffering, cannot solve these problems -- the acceptance of the principle of 
sharing can. But it goes beyond that -- it will eventually lead to a world where all people (and not 
just the privileged few) have the freedom and leisure to explore their inner divine nature and true 
creative potential, which is after all why we're here. But none of this will happen if humanity does 
not first accept the principle. That is why it is so important to promote the idea of sharing -- but 
intelligently, not in vague mystical terms. -- Julian Creme
UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE OF THE GOLDEN RULE
   The following quotations demonstrate the universal 'Golden Rule' taught in all religions, and 
show that through understanding the Law of Cause and Effect (or Karma) we recognize the need 
to practice harmlessness in every aspect of our lives.
   All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them; for this is the 
law and the prophets. Christian (Matthew 7:12)
Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful. Buddhist (Udana-Varga 5:18) 
   Regard your neighbour's gain as your own gain and your neighbour's loss as your own loss. 
Taoist (T'ai Shang Kan Yin P'ien)
   What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. That is the entire Law; all the rest is 
commentary. Jewish (Talmud, Shabbat 31a)
   This is the sum of duty: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you. 
Brahman (Mahabharata 5:1517)
   Surely it is the maxim of loving-kindness: Do not unto others what you would not have done 
unto you. Confucian (Analects 15:23)
   That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for 
itself. Zoroastrian (Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5)
   No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself. 
Islamic (Sunnah)
BENJAMIN CREME ANSWERS
   (The following is excerpted from the current hard-copy issue of Share International magazine.)
Q. I do not agree that market forces are the evil you claim them to be. We have had all sorts of 
concepts -- socialism, communism, etc. -- under which creative people have been 'put down', but 
without the creativity of such people we are nothing.
A. Maitreya has outlined the concept of a new political system which is neither socialism nor 
capitalism but a fusion of the best of both. He says you should see politics as a kind of cart, which 
needs two wheels to go. If it has only one wheel -- either socialism or capitalism -- it won't go. The 
symbol of this is the unification of Germany, in which we have capitalist West Germany united 
with communist East Germany. This symbolizes a new type of social democracy or democratic 
socialism which is becoming the norm in Europe, and which, Maitreya says, will eventually 
become the norm throughout the world. Maitreya says there is, indeed, a place for individual 
creativity without which the world would be held back in its development. On the other hand, we 
must not, with Mrs Thatcher, say there is no such thing as 'society', only individuals; that is 
absolutely not true: there is a British society, a French, an American, a Chinese, a Russian 
society -- and so on. All of humanity make up society, and the resources of the world have been 
distributed most inequitably under both capitalism and socialism for centuries. We have never 
seen communism, because what Russia had was state capitalism not communism at all.
Q. Will there be money, mortgages and so on when we move into barter?
A. Basically, from what I understand of the plans, there will be advice. When we say: "We accept 
the principle of sharing as the only way to move forward; how do we do it?" various interrelated 
blueprints will be presented to the nations, already worked out by financiers, administrators and 
economists of great achievement in their own right, in consultation with the Masters. These will 
solve the redistribution problems which are the basis of our economic problems. The aim will be 
the minimum disruption of the existing social order but far-reaching, nevertheless.
   The current issue of Share International contains the full text of excerpted articles found in this 
newsletter. To subscribe to the English-language hard copy magazine, go to 
http:/www.shareintl.org/subscribe.html.
   Versions are also available in Dutch, French, German, Japanese, Romanian and Spanish. For 
information go to http:/www.shareintl.org/sitrans.html.
   The April 1999 abridged, electronic version of SHARE INTERNATIONAL will soon be posted at:
MAITREYA'S RECENT APPEARANCES
7 February -- Annapolis, USA
14 February -- Fes, Morocco
21 February -- Beil, Switzerland
7 March -- a town in Mississippi, USA
WHO IS MAITREYA?
   Maitreya (pronounced my-TRAY-uh) is the personal name of the Head of the Spiritual 
Hierarchy, Who is known to esotericists as the World Teacher. Expected by the world's major 
religions as the Christ, the Messiah, Krishna, the Imam Mahdi, and Maitreya Buddha, the Teacher 
returned to the everyday world in July 1977 and lives as an apparently ordinary man in the Asian 
community of London. From there He emerges, directing His transforming energies to every 
corner of the earth. As the benevolent changes He inspires become realities, He awaits an 
invitation from humanity to enter into full public life.
   "Maitreya will remind men of their own high origin and destiny, and will inspire the creation of a 
new way of living: in harmony, in right relationship, without recourse to war or competition, in the 
fullest co-operation and mutual respect. Thus will it be."
(The Master -)
"Allow Me to tell you this: My Mission is proceeding so well now
that soon the world will know -
that the Forerunner has returned,
that the Way of Truth is open,
that the Light of the future beckons,
that the Cry of Man has been heard,
that the Plan of God works out,
that the Signs of the New can be seen,
that the Love of God shall be expressed.
My Coming is the guarantee of all of this." (Maitreya)

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3919
Subject: OT: Promoting group: Art Bell
From: Anni Ida West
Hi keysters
   I just got this one from Sharon - I thought I would forward it right away to all of you. This is a 
great opportunity to promote "The Immortal". A very warm thank you to you, Sharon.
Love and light to all of you
Anni
Sharon wrote: Emne: Art Bell
"Videresendt automatisk vha. en regel
   "Hi Anni, just heard and read that Art Bell pays much more attention to fax's regarding new 
topics than he does to email messages so we are going to fax him re: JJ's book. His fax number 
is: Art Bell 775-727-8499, only one fax per night with a 3 page limit. He does not read email while 
on the air, he likes to have a HARD COPY in his hand when on air, soooooo, we should all fax 
him, he reaches millions of people." Blessings, sharon hoffman

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3920
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: OT: Promoting group: Art Bell
   That's a great idea Anni and Sharron. Although right now he's not doing his show and Hilly 
Rose is on in his place. I have had several emails read by Art when he was on the air so if you 
send it ahead of time, that is better timing than during his show. Content definitely catches his 
attention.
Here's hoping Art comes back soon.
Diane

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3921
Subject: Re: Hint
From: Diane Linen
   Yes, I've heard that too. The silver cord is one of the things. Breath is one of them as well. The 
human body is amazing in its complexity. It requires oxygen which the blood carries to all parts of 
the body and of course the heart is key in pumping the blood. Without the heart we would die, 
without breathing, we would die. I have heard that the former belief that when there is no longer 
brain activity, that it was the legal definition of death and they could take organs for transplanting.
   Someone has done a study that's changed that idea because they found that there is still 
activity somewhere else in the body that reacts when the body is first cut. People have recovered 
from deep comas to full consciousness. If the body is still able to react then there must be 
another criteria that determines the moment of death other than brain activity.
   This reminds me of how plants can react to thoughts by people.
Diane
   Rick Audette wrote: "Yes, the silver cord is one of the things. I have heard that when it is 
severed the spirit and body are no longer connected and it is death. I heard it different than 
Glenys, in that it is not the Etheric body which is connected by the cord, but rather the mental 
body, or soul. The etheric body is the glue that holds the physical body together and all physical 
manifestations appear to have an etheric body."
(snip)
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Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3922
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: The Science of Death
   Maybe one of the reasons why we have different versions of the point of death is that it's not a 
one step process; you're not alive one moment and dead the next. If you read metaphysical 
books on death and dying such as The Tibetan Book of the Living and the Dead, you can see that 
it is regarded as a science by many cultures that can take up to three days. Tibetans talk about 
the Bardos, for example, and the complicated ways one can prepare for one's death (such as 
using different coloured lights at different stages of the process) so that one's karma is reduced 
and the highest possible 'heaven' is opened so that one can travel there.
   From my reading, the stages include:
The severing of the life thread - silver cord
The removal of the consciousness thread
The exit of the three permanent atoms (recording devices that reside in the solar plexus, heart 
and pineal gland)
The exit of the etheric, astral and mental bodies
The rising of the kundalini and the exit of the soul extension or personality (from whatever chakra 
one operated from the most)
I enjoyed your comments on zombies, Rick. Some think there's not too many of them around, a 
point I have my doubts about seeing I work with so many of them ;-)
   On a sadder note, I don't know if there are people on this list who live in Colorado but if there 
are, or if there are others who have family or friends there, please know my thoughts and prayers 
are with you.
Love
Glenys
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I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges.

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3923
From: Margaret Hampson
Subject: Re: Jesus Laughed
Hello Glenys
   For as long as I can remember (and I'm a nanna) I've grieved for Jesus on Good Friday, and 
this year while listening to Bach's St. Matthew's Passion I wept with Peter when the cock crowed 
after he had denied Jesus the third time. Afterwards however I felt that in some strange way I had 
agreed to 'do' grief in this lifetime, and had now fulfilled my contract. I'd be delighted to accept 
your offer of a picture of Jesus laughing and next year rejoice in the merriment of the Christ.
Love and Light, Margaret

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3924
From: Margaret Hampson
Subject: Interpretations
Hello again,
   * In Baird Spalding's "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" (a great read), he 
describes an expedition he and some others made to the Far East to discover ancient teachings. 
They encounter and are helped by some Masters, (one of them a woman) and the team meet 
with and are humbled by the appearance of Jesus; Also the Masters teleport and teach the team 
how to do it; They learn that parts of the scriptures have been misinterpreted, one being that on 
the Cross Jesus said "Father, thou has never forsaken me nor ever will", or words to that effect.
   * I want to share with Keysters that I was drawn to 'The Immortal' in the first place by the 
beautiful 'Song' in which I join with you each day. I is so like 'The Great Invocation' the Tibetan 
says was given out by the Christ in 1945 . The final line is: "Let Light and Love and Power restore 
the Plan on earth". Light being the energy of the Buddha, Love - the Spirit of Peace, and Power - 
the Avatar of Synthesis. We are constantly being stimulated by the energies of Light, Love and 
Power pouring onto humanity (or those sensitive to impression) and they are breaking down the 
barriers of separation and will eventually fuse our consciousness into unity, based on the One 
Divine Life - or Christ consciousness.
   * I think Jesus demonstrated that in surrendering the physical body as He did, that the physical 
body need not die but can also ascend.
   * The Tibetan says that because of the service Jesus performed He is now a higher Initiate and 
that Kuthumi will be the next Christ.
Love and Light, Margaret

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3925
From: Rick Audette
Subject: Aquarian Gospel /vs webtv
Hi All,
Richard and Sharon told me that they couldn't visit the web site that has the text of "The Aquarian 
Gospel of Jesus The Christ, which JJ recently gave the URL to, because it was too large. For the 
benefit of our 4 members, that have webtv and any others that might have problems with large 
html documents, I have broken it up into 5 parts and put them at:
http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/aq-1.htm
http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/aq-2.htm
http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/aq-3.htm
http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/aq-4.htm
http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/aq-5.htm
I'll leave them there, as long as I don't need the space for something else. There are several 
different editions, now available in print. You can order the book from Amazon.com. I have owned 
several copies, in the last 30 years. I recently bought my fourth. My library just wouldn't be right, 
without a copy. It is very pleasant to read, aloud, because the whole book is written in iambic 
meter and sounds like singing.
At your service,
Rick

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3926
From: J J Dewey
Subject: The True Teacher
   Thanks for your posting, Adrian, of some of the teachings of Benjamin Creme. Actually, a large 
portion of the teachings you mentioned are not original with Creme, but with Alice A. Bailey of 
whom Creme was a student.
   Many new age gurus have read the works of Alice A. Bailey and presented teachings gained 
from her books as their own original material. Because her books are quite technical and difficult 
to read many students of such gurus are impressed that the material is original.
   There are a number of teachers who claim to be channeling every master available who only 
present a rehash of Bailey and other writers.
   It may be advantageous to present certain points to look for in a true representative of the 
Brotherhood and one who is under the illusionary path.
   Characteristics of the Misled Teacher
1. The first thing to look at is the teachings he or she presents, for the Brotherhood does not like 
to repeat itself. If it does it is only for the clarification purposes. A false teacher's highest 
teachings will be a repeat of information that has already been revealed.
   Creme's highest teachings are Alice A. Bailey Quotes.
2. The false teacher will teach in data and not principles. If there is anything new in his teachings 
it will be in the form of unprovable data.
   One of the few new things in Creme's teachings was some data about the number of disciples 
who have passed through the various initiations and even on this he has over estimated the 
number.
3. The false teacher will make fantastic predictions that do not come true.
   I recounted in my last post such a prediction by Creme.
4. The false teacher presents himself as a humble servant but subtly works to draw attention to 
glorify himself and his ego.
   When I heard Creme in person make his false prediction I sensed that it originated in glamour. 
Also his mannerisms seemed very centered in glamour. To conform my suspicions I went to meet 
him after the lecture and got his autograph. I am an expert handwriting analyst and saw 
immediately on looking at his writing that I was correct. The guy revels in attention directed 
toward his ego.
5. The false teacher will lie when it furthers his purposes.
   I personally think that Creme just makes up a lot of the "teachings" that are supposed to come 
from Christ and is aware of this fact.
6. The false teacher will usually emphasize teachings of the passing age, which is the age of 
Pisces at this time.
   Creme's message of sharing and sacrifice sound pleasing, but they are presented in Piscean 
format and are not workable in the coming age.
7. He will not offer you a way to prove to yourself that his teachings are true, but will want you to 
accept him through faith in his personality. Those who are sure that he is correct are convinced 
through outer signs.
   Creme has offered no way for us to know the truth of his teachings.
   Characteristics of the True Teacher.
1. The bulk of his teachings will not be a repetition of writings already in existence. His or her 
teachings will either be new or throw new light on teachings already revealed.
   Look at the two greatest in history, Jesus and Buddha. They may have quoted some from 
teachers of the past but overall their core message was new and brought additional light to the 
world.
2. The true teacher will stress principles more than unprovable data and will generally reveal and 
explain new principles.
3. The true teacher is not infallible but will be cautious in making fantastic predictions. His 
predictions he does make will be very reliable and will often be clothed in mystery as are the 
writings of John the Beloved and Nostradamous.
4. The true teacher may be accused of being in the work for the ego, as even Jesus was, but in 
reality his prime goal will be service to humanity. He only seeks recognition for his true 
accomplishments, when it furthers the work, and will never seek the recognition that belongs to 
others.
5. The true teacher will attempt to so live his life so he will never lie or deceive. If he does not 
achieve perfection in this he recognizes his mistake and seeks to correct it.
6. The true teacher will emphasize the coming principles of the Aquarian age. He will not 
abandon the good of Pisces and sacrifice, but his main attention will be on the coming energies of 
service as we discussed earlier.
7. The true teacher will teach students a path that will lead to verification through the soul and 
Spirit that the principles he teaches are true. Those who are convinced he is correct are sure 
because of powerful inner confirmation rather than outer signs, even though outer signs may 
seem to manifest.
   This is all the time I have to comment tonight. Tomorrow I will give you some new material that 
has never been before revealed by any teacher in the flesh that I know of.
   Several of you are on the right track about the silver cord.

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3927
From: Sharon Jorgenson
Subject:(Incomplete) Instructions for life
Jennifer,
   I have really enjoyed the Nepalese good luck tantra totem, but what happened to number 15?
SharonJ

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3928
From: John Kosior
Subject: Re: The True Teacher
Good Morning Folks.
   And once again I say thank you to JJ. I believe that discerning between true and false teachers, 
especially at this time, may be the most important ability we can possess.
   For a very long time I have contemplated this question. And I will say that the things I have 
learned through JJ and others on this list have served to sharpen my own discernment 
immensely. In particular, I understand that true teaching is in fact done through the teaching of 
principles. JJ, to say thank you seems quite inadequate. What you have accomplished through 
this revelation is to safeguard us from being drawn into teaching based on ego/personality/ 
illusion/etc. In this light, I remembered this scripture:
Mark 12:13-14
13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words.
14 They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed 
by men, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in 
accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?
(NIV)
   In this scripture, I see the two types of teachers. Here were the teachers of the day coming to 
test the Teacher. I remember the first time I read this I actually LOL. I thought, "Oh! Bad move 
guys"! But what I picked up on was how the "misled teachers" operated. They came with bad 
intentions, to catch him in his words. But they came first with a true statement. Jesus taught as 
"one with authority". And it's true, He wasn't impressed or afraid of the "authorities" of the day. 
Then they laid the trap.
   It seems that this approach is still very popular to this day. Many "teachers" have come around 
with very polished, and often flattering words. They will often make a true statement or two, which 
is meant to lure their listeners into believing them. Then after they have their audience "captive", 
they can more easily mislead them, or trap them, or accomplish whatever intent they had set out 
to do. I am forever on my guard against this type of teaching, both from without as well as from 
within. From without I am watchful of those who demand upon the authority of their teachings. 
From within, I am watchful that I examine the intent of what I say. Whether what I say serves 
another, or serves only my own ego. And of myself I demand that I never say anything that I have 
not confirmed through the soul and Holy Spirit. Then to add one more safeguard, I ask God that if 
anything I say falls outside of truth or proper intent, that it fall on deaf ears, misleads no one, and 
fades quickly into the ether. And even with all of this, I do not consider myself to be a teacher, but 
only a communicator of what I have been shown. I'd rather let the Teacher be the teacher.
   So with all that said, I'll take my seat in the classroom and await the next lesson.
In Wonderment and Joy,
John

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3929
From: Jennifer Hardin
Subject: RE: (Incomplete) Instructions for life
15 is supposed to be Call Your Mom
Love,
-Jenn
Sharon wrote: "Jennifer, I have really enjoyed the Nepalese good luck tantra totem, but what 
happened to number 15?"

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3930
From: Dancing-Eyes
Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-04-21 of The Keys of Knowledge List
Glenys wrote: "My friend had prints made and I was lucky enough to be given one. He hung the 
original oil in his shop but had to take it down because so many people were offended. Some also 
returned the prints he gifted them because they could not deal with the concept of a joyous Jesus 
on the road to Calvary."
But I loved it and my print's hanging on my bedroom wall. I intend to scan it within the next few 
days to enable me to share it with others. If any of you want a copy, let me know."
would love a copy,....
In Light, Love and harmony,
I am Dancing-Eyes

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3931
From: Cynthia Coconato
Subject: Re: Keyster Teamwork: Promoting pages
Hi Anni
I'm kinda new here. Not usually a lurker but my brain has been on vacation for awhile :-)
Went to the website today to see the posters and read the list. Took a VERY long time for the 
poster page to load, and then it was blank (just pink marbled background).
So...I decided to go back to the main page to read the list of suggestions. Same story... LONG 
time and pink marbled background.
Just tho't you'd like to know.
LOVE,
joystar aka Cynthia

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3932
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: Keyster Teamwork: Promoting pages
Hello Cynthia,
If you go to this address, you will find the latest week's postings and you can choose which week 
to read by clicking on a week.
http://www.spiritweb.org/cgi/ml.cgi?list=keys-l&which=1999-16&passwd=immortal
Diane

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3933
From: Anni Ida West
Subject:Re: Keyster Teamwork
   Thank you, Cynthia for telling me. Just too bad :-(((
   Nice to hear from you anyway - even though your message could have been a happier one :-)) 
Yes, I sure would like to know if something is wrong with the promoting page.
   I just checked it - Freedrive does seem to work very slowly right now - and so does geocities - 
you are right. I think, it might change again though - at least I hope so !
   All of you keysters - please tell me if you have the same problem - especially if it continues.
   Please write to my own e-mail so we do not clog up this list too much.
   And Cynthia - a warm welcome to this list - I am looking forward to hearing more from you - I 
know that your comments and opinions are very welcome and that you will take part in the 
discussion when you get your brain working again :))))
Love and light
Anni

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3934
From: Xavier
Subject: Re : Never Taste Death
   J J Dewey wrote: "Question: Would Jesus teach something that He would not demonstrate? 
The whole world believes that Jesus died on the cross, but did he really? Is it possible that he 
practiced and demonstrated his teachings of overcoming death? Is it also possible that the words 
of Christ can enable us to never die also?"
   This is the sole purpose of the whole human evolution: To incarnate the powers of Spirit in the 
flesh, thus being above death and matter, and yet, in matter. Like manifesting a body by an act of 
will.
   Reminds me of the theatrical appearance of Babaji in "autobiography of a Yogi". First he sees a 
kind of luminous "cloud", speeding above the lake, that "cloud" comes in front of them, stops, 
condenses, and there appears Babaji in full matter body, greeting his sister:-)
   "The Life of The Masters" abundantly teaches such "miracles" as being what any man is bound 
to achieve.

Post No. Keys 04-21-1999/3935
From: Xavier
Subject: Re : Hint
   JJ Dewey wrote: "None of these tells it correctly. The real Jesus was crucified and after the 
event, by all human standards, he was dead and seemed to be dead for three days."
   "There is a final event that must take place before a person is technically dead. What is it? A 
hint is given in Ecclesiastes 12:6-7."
   "I won't read the quote, but I read that a human soul takes three full days before definitely 
departing from the body, during which it retrieves the experiences included in the organs. So 
there remains a link during three days. Is the "silver cord" involved? Or some other kind of cord?"
   well if he was dead then resurrected, did he achieve this because of his exceptional training 
and abilities, of was it a job from other entities?
   We're full in the subject of "Nine faces of Christ", which i just reread.
   In this book Jesus is presented like an initiate that achieves an unprecedented level of human 
evolution, thus being able, and trained for, to work wonders, like resurrection, teleportation, and 
such. One key point is that he must be able to do miracles, not only under the stress of Initiation 
like in a ceremony, where you are hungered, exhausted and such, not even in calm and peace, 
*But under the opression of temporal powers, when all these temporal powers put you to the test*
   I truly can relate to that. Soul powers in the temple, or alone and at peace are one thing, but 
under torture of the nazis, it's another story.
   First thing: the group supports you. Second: You are "alone", and can do it "by yourself", at will, 
anytime. Third: You got all the temporal powers against you. (and the smallest resentment makes 
you lose your abilities:-)
   And it is only if the Messiah can do it in the third situation that he can proove it true to the world 
at large.
   If I add to that what you said JJ, that Jesus hoped and worked for establishing a temporal 
power as well, and that he had to accept his soul telling him to go sacrifice, well....
   I hope you'll write a Life of Jesus someday:-)
   Is this always the case? Does a work like yours always need support from friends, like me going 
to spread book I&II? (I'm far from complaining, i give you an opportunity to give me more 
motivating reasons:-)
   (lazy me.., mea culpa, i almost would play the automutilating Christian once again hahaha)

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3936
From: Xavier
Subject: Re : Never Taste Death
   John Kosior wrote: "As I see it, bondage (also translated as slavery) is anything which holds 
another thing captive or "bound". It seems that this principle has been at work amongst humanity 
for quite some time now. In this time, we as a race have been kept bound to the rules of the world 
as we see them. One is born. One grows up. One grows old. And one dies."
   Funny how it relates to what i feel these days. Having a growing daughter makes me feel that 
bondage in my flesh. I'm talking about the fact that we live, grow, die, and somewhere we nurture 
our slavery. A strange feeling I never had until now, this bondage to body life. And the way we 
ourselves build it. Children are not slavery, on the contrary she allows me to experiment the true 
slavery that is bondage to body life, generation, and decay limitations. By the soul love they bring, 
everything comes to light.
   Until now I was under that law with no way to escape. Because I have a child I can see life 
beyond and under that law.

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3937
From:Xavier
Subject: Re : Re: Hint
   Glenys Lowery wrote: "PPS Xavier. Rumi is a 13C Sufi mystic and poet who often wrote about 
his relationship with God in ecstatic, passionate terms. He's reputedly the widest read poet in the 
world. I love him. His short poems (some of which I use as sigs) provide a good balance for me 
on this list which is quite intellectual in nature (and appropriately so). Sometimes it's good to be 
reminded of that indescribable love we have burning in our hearts that is beyond analysis."
Limitless void!
Splendour into which all forms vanish!
You have appeared in my forehead
Like my own diamond
Well I really love that mystic, free above all limitations, love.
Warrior laughing, we're in the christ laugh also.
Victory of all known star bearers and children that we are.
Death is a puff of smoke, to be laughed at, for we are not limited by it, and we know it.
This way can we accept it better as well, once we know
what we work for, and that we are progreeding rightly:-)
   Ah...stars in the eyes of the ones who know this:-) (thinking about ancient civilizations, like 
celts). Nice to meet such people, and better again when there is a physical gathering of many! 
(this is what happens in organic food&life shows in Paris, I feel like in my family, it's a gathering of 
spiritual seekers)

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3938
From: Xavier
Subject: Re : Re: Never Taste Death
   David Curtis wrote: "Well, John. You sure like to make a big entrance, don't you? I like your 
explanation 100 times better than the one I managed to conjure up. Well said! Now what is that 
higher principal? As if anyone could just explain it"
   Hahhaha so you come to know our beloved John, don't you Dave? Yes, he's grand and 
theatrical, and anyone can see why we love him:-)
   "As if anyone could just explain it." you're right and very funny also:-) Well we let JJ go ahead 
on that one, we all have a few clues, but he seems to have a nice map of all these great and 
simple matters.
   Okay let's have a try. Well it's in the true abilities of (wo)man... (BTW do you know a general 
term for man and woman that is not the heavy "human being"?) ...to never die, to be a divine 
being completely modeling matter at his will. I guess it technically can be described in terms of 
the various bodies and principle that constitute a human, and how they can be trained. This is 
again right in the subject of "nine faces of christ":-) In Egypt he learns to use his most spiritual 
bodies, thus allowing these kinds of powers.
   There is a piece lacking, but I put a few ones. Who goes next? :-) (I see a rail road in 
construction by a group of friends)

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3939
From: Xavier
Subject: Re : Re: Hint
   Diane Linen wrote: "Yes, I've heard that too. The silver cord is one of the things. Breath is one 
of them as well. The human body is amazing in its complexity. It requires oxygen which the blood 
carries to all parts of the body and of course the heart is key in pumping the blood. Without the 
heart we would die, without breathing, we would die. I have heard that the former belief that when 
there is no longer brain activity, that it was the legal definition of death and they could take organs 
for transplanting. Someone has done a study that's changed that idea because they found that 
there is still activity somewhere else in the body that reacts when the body is first cut. People 
have recovered from deep comas to full consciousness. If the body is still able to react then there 
must be another criteria that determines the moment of death other than brain activity. This 
reminds me of how plants can react to thoughts by people."
   Well there is a deep kind of trance, described by Bardon, called akashic trance, where heart 
and breath are still, a doctor would diagnose death. "apparent death". Tis called akashic because 
it is this way that human reaches that plane.
   BTW; the akasha is pretty well related to your formless worlds term, JJ. You mentioned the 
budhic plane. (I know, meaningless facts)

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3940
From: Xavier
Subject: Re : Re: Digest No. 1999-04-20 of The Keys of Knowledge
   Come on, you posted almost a whole book:-) I have two books of Creme at home, I don't wish 
to rehash thru all this. Are you advertising? 
It's as if I joined all JJ's posts to this list, along with Book I, and posted it to any mailing list that 
someway approaches the topics.
   BTW I liked what Creme says about service. I guess he's pretty aquarian there:-)
   Adrian Bradley wrote: "Greetings to all you list members:-) I am more of a 'lurker' than a 
contributor -- don't get a lot of time usually -- but I do find your discussions stimulating at times:-)" 
......(snip).........

Post No. Keys-04-22-1999/3941
From: Xavier
Subject: Re : Re: Digest No. 1999-04-21 of The Keys of Knowledge
   If it was me, I would have posted the pic to the list:-) (but i don't have your netiquette:-)
   Glenys wrote: "But I loved it and my print's hanging on my bedroom wall. I intend to scan it 
within the next few days to enable me to share it with others. If any of you want a copy, let me 
know."
   Dancing Eyes wrote: "Would love a copy,...."

Post No. Keys-04-22-1999/3942
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Picture
   xavier wrote: "If it was me, I would have posted the pic to the list:-) (but i don't have your 
netiquette:-)"
   Well, it was a little of that. It's not really public domain stuff although I don't think my friend 
would mind my circulating it. But it was really out of consideration for all those on the list who 
can't open attachments for various reasons. It just would have been tiresome for them.
Love
Glenys
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The smallest deed always exceeds the grandest of intentions.
- Anonymous

Post No. Keys-04-22-1999/3943
From: Xavier
Subject: Re : The True Teacher
   JJ Dewey wrote: "There are a number of teachers who claim to be channeling every master 
available who only present a rehash of Bailey and other writers."
   "They are not dangerous as those who say these works are old and passed, and send you in 
an illusion, and lead you astray. I knew on this year, and after reading your Brother Philo, I said: 
exactly like him. (well he's different, but surely works towards illusion)"
BTW all the ascension groups generally say Bailey and Blavatsky are now old and "passe" (how 
do you say that? out of date) When in fact their teachings don't have a thousandth of what is in 
Blavatsky.
It gets on my nerves when friends of mine tell me "oh, it's out of date all that stuff..." grrrr I could 
bite:-) After years of channeling, they realize it's pretty inaccurate and dangerous, as it is 
practiced in new-age.
"Characteristics of the Mislead Teacher" wow this is grand:-)
"One of the few new things in Creme's teachings was some data about the number of disciples 
who have passed through the various initiations and even on this he has over estimated the 
number."
He "gave" the rank of many past initiates.
I'll quote all that on my french NG right away:-) alt.magick also. Is there a new-age NG?
found it, talk.religion.newage :-)
sent:-) copyrighted, and said Creme is only an example.

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3944
From:Cynthia Coconato
Subject: Re: Keyster Teamwork: Promoting pages
Hi Diane :-)
Thanks for your response. I wasn't looking for posts to read. I intentionally went to the site Anni 
posted about where we may find ways to help spread the message of The Immortal.
Thanks, though.
LOVE,
Cynthia
Diane Linen wrote: "If you go to this address, you will find the latest week's postings and you can 
choose which week to read by clicking on a week."
http://www.spiritweb.org/cgi/ml.cgi?list=keys-l&which=1999-16&passwd=immortal

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3945
From: Tracey Hobson
Subject: Re: The True Teacher
   I'd like to add my thanks to the chorus, also, JJ. Being taught by principles makes so much 
more sense now that it's been pointed out. And it makes me realize that much more why 
programs like Alcoholics Anonymous work, because they teach principles like tolerance, patience 
perseverance, humility, honesty, service, etc.
   I wish this particular message could get out to the general public. Perhaps we'd have less 
Branch Davidian and Heaven's Gate type tragedies, and more enlightened human beings.
Love,
Tracey
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Practice contentment, the supreme virtue.
It's the soil in which all other virtues flourish -
the smooth leaf to which the raindrops of
illness cannot cling.
- from the "Secrets of Radiant Health & Well-Being"
calendar

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3946
Subject: Re: Formless Ideas
From:Paul Yu
Hi Marylin and everyone,
   May I butt in and complete your sentence with the following words: and is able to? Because the 
Universal Mind cannot be accessed by anyone at any stage of development. I believe this is what 
you meant implicitly.
Paul Yu
SpiritualityABC
SpiritualityESOTERIC
http://onelist.com
   Marylin wrote: "Hi JJ "What you have just said reminded me of what my Dad had told me years 
ago. He said that all thoughts and ideas are in the Universal Mind and can be accessed by 
anyone who chooses to."

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3947
From: Diane Linen
Subject: Re: Keyster Teamwork: Promoting pages
   cynthia coconato wrote: "Hi Diane :-) "Thanks for your response. I wasn't looking for posts to 
read. I intentionally went to the site Anni posted about where we may find ways to help spread the 
message of The Immortal. Thanks, though."
Hi Cynthia,
   I'm sorry I misunderstood.
love, 
Diane

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3948
From: LeLona Hodges
Subject: The True Teacher
   Here I go again, saying something that JJ won't fully agree with, but say it I must:
   The TRUE TEACHER is within! No matter who is teaching outside, your neighbor, a guru, JJ, or 
whoever, one only learns by being taught from within what is being triggered from without.
LeLona
visit my website at http://www.gnostic.org/marysway/maryswayhome.htm

Post No. Keys-04-22-1999/3949
From: Xavier
Subject: Re : The True Teacher
   LeLona Hodges wrote: "Here I go again, saying something that JJ won't fully agree with, but 
say it I must: The TRUE TEACHER is within! No matter who is teaching outside, your neighbor, a 
guru, JJ, or whoever, one only learns by being taught from within what is being triggered from 
without."
   Isn't it what JJ says?
"7. The true teacher will teach students a path that will lead to verification through the soul and 
Spirit that the principles he teaches are true. Those who are convinced he is correct are sure 
because of powerful inner confirmation    rather than outer signs, even though outer signs may 
seem to manifest."
Well there is an add. The T.T. teaches you also how to develop that inner teacher. Like the healer 
that guides you to develop the inner healer. But of course the True Teacher, the fundamental 
one, is our own soul!!!! (or spirit.)

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3950
From: Zi
Subject: Re: The True Teacher 
LeLona, Aumen, the only true teacher is within, Aumen!! ZIA

Post No. Keys-04-22-1999/3951
From: Glenys Lowery
Subject: Re: The True Teacher
   LeLona Hodges wrote: "Here I go again, saying something that JJ won't fully agree with, but 
say it I must: The TRUE TEACHER is within! No matter who is teaching outside, your neighbor, a 
guru, JJ, or whoever, one only learns by being taught from within what is being triggered from 
without."
   The problem with saying that the true teacher is within is that it implies that all teachers who are 
'without' are untrue. That means teachers like Jesus, Buddha and lesser ones, are automatically 
classed as untrue, and I doubt that you meant that. Perhaps the word should be 'ultimate'.
   But semantics aside, I do agree that the ultimate path to truth is through developing soul 
contact and JJ has spoken about it a great deal, along with the Intuitive Principle.
   Spirit uses all sorts of aids to assist us grow and sometimes teachers are sent into our lives to 
guide and nurture us in our search. We have all heard the age old saying, 'When the student is 
ready, the teacher will come'. I'm happy to accept anyone into my life who can assist me on the 
Path. I see it as a gift from God.
   There are signposts a true outer teacher can give me that I would never be able to prove for 
myself because of my limited intelligence. I then use my intuition and what knowledge I do have 
about the subject to discern whether the teaching is true. More often than not, I may adopt a 
teaching a as working hypothesis until something better comes along. The advantage of that is 
that I have very few fixed views on anything and so can be flexible and the disadvantage is that I 
constantly change my ideas as I grow and so can appear wishy washy and passionless. In fact, 
one of my main complaints about myself for awhile was that I had lost my passion as I no longer 
seemed to have strong views about anything. For a while I felt 'watered down' somewhat.
   I think we also need outer teachers to test the knowledge that we believe we've been given 
from within. Most of us would have had the experience of knowing without a shadow of a doubt 
that we have been told something on the inner, only to find we were wrong.
   I suppose the bottom line for me is that if something's true I don't particularly care how I get it - 
from a teacher on the outer (and confirmed by soul contact) or directly from that wonderful 
'teacher within'.
   Perhaps one day I will have no need of anyone but the teacher within, but I'm not at that stage 
yet (although I must say that for years I thought I was - youthful arrogance :-)
Love
Glenys
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The smallest deed always exceeds the grandest of intentions.
- Anonymous

Post No. Keys-04-21-1999/3952
From: LeLona Hodge