1999 - WEEK 14 Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-05/3695 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Quantum Consciousness J J Dewey wrote: "If what I say here is true, that consciousness passes in packages of time, or quantums, the question naturally arises as to how long in duration is a quantum of human consciousness." "To help answer this question, start with examining your own consciousness. What is the smallest unit of consciousness you have an awareness of passing through? We know, for example, it is shorter than an hour, for you can be conscious of many different things in an hour. It is also shorter than a minute, for we can be aware of several different items in a minute. So how long is this period?" "A Course in Miracles tells us that we see only the past. If consciousness passes in quantums of time then why is this true? Is it possible to see the real present?" I appreciated Rick's information on quantums of time. The mind boggles! I agree that we tend to live in the past more than the present in this world of sensory experiences we call life. Awareness can seem to be instant and in the present but it rarely is; it seem to be determined by past events. When I burnt my hand the other day it seemed as if I felt the pain at the same time as the burn took place. But we know that it takes time for the message of burning to reach the brain and the brain, in turn, to register the pain and send a message. It seems as if it all happens at once but the process is sequential rather than simultaneous i.e. the pain I experienced was the result of a sensory input that had taken place in the past. It reminds me of that saying, "Time is nature's way of stopping everything from happening at once" :-) I think it is possible to see the real instant when we aren't influenced by the illusions of the past or the predictability of the future (which more often than not is determined by the past). The real instant holds nothing but love and oneness. There is no room for fear, preconceptions or illusions because all of these are linked to the past in some way. It is a time when the heart is truly one with God and it can last for as long as it takes - a nanosecond or eternity. Many of us have no doubt had experiences when we've felt one with everything, like Siddhartha in that great book by Hesse. For me, it has been all too fleeting and is over almost before I've experienced it. But it's always left me knowing without a shadow of doubt that true oneness is our destiny. So yes, I think we can experience the real present but it takes work (although I would have to say that, in my experience, it comes completely unannounced). Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From the cowardice that shrinks from new truths... From the laziness that is content with half truths... From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth... O God of Truth, deliver us. - (Author unknown) Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-05/3696 From: David Curtis Subject: Re: More on Relative Truth J J Dewey writes: "Beyond time and space, truth, as we know it, does not even exist, but to even consider what this may be like is like a slug trying to solve the theory of relativity. We are much better off to concentrate on the discovery of truth as we understand it and as we can understand it." I know this is coming in a little late in the conversation, but I've been unable (too busy to) check my email over that last few days. Honestly, I never knew the subject of Truth would be so controversial. I had always assumed everyone agreed that truth was absolute. Just goes to show how blind I can really be sometimes. While I agree that sometimes people believe they know the truth, that doesn't necessarily mean the 'truth' they believe in is really true. I really feel like this subject is being over-complicated. For example, the story about the Elephant and the blind men. One believes it is a tree, and so on.. (My memory fails me right now..) To him, the elephant may be a tree, but that doesn't change the real truth. That it is an elephant. If a tree in a forest falls, and there is no one around to hear it, does it still make a sound? I didn't hear it, so to me it didn't make a sound. However, the REAL truth is, it DID in fact make a sound.. The sound waves just faded before they reached me. There may be more to it than that, even. Just because my limited perception can't view the whole picture, doesn't change the fact that what is True is True and unchangeable. Maybe I'm wrong? Peace and Love, Dave Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-05/3697 From: (Rob)TeKnoBabL Subject: Re: Quantum Consciousness JJ writes: "What is the smallest unit of consciousness you have an awareness of passing through? So how long is this period?" "I'd say 1/60th of a second. My reasoning being that since lights run at a frequency of 60Hz-- and it looks like a continuously burning light instead of one that's blinking on-and-off 60 times per second--but by turning the frequency down you can actually see the light blinking, then our consciousness' must be 'snapping pictures' at either 60 Hz or darn close to it. The frequency of the bulb is synchronized to the frequency our consciousness moves through time." "Akin to ceiling fans--on the low setting it looks like a set of spinning blades, but the highest setting reveals a blurred circle." Thank you so much JJ. I found your last two postings on truth and quantum consciousness were a knockout - clarifying and opening up things for me. "A Course in Miracles tells us that we see only the past. If consciousness passes in quantums of time then why is this true? Is it possible to see the real present?" I would say it is not possible to see or think or do anything (much less talk about it!)about the real present because by then it has passed, but that one can BE present to one's experience at any time, although during such times, 'I' cease to exist. Experiencing now has no past or present it just is. And it does not seem possible to retain awareness of oneself as an entity separate to the experience, while experiencing. Again, this is my theory. My consciousness and experiencing have only at rare moments, which have seemed like glimpses of enlightenment, coincided. It is sort of like the process of birth and death is happening at any millisecond (or smaller time interval) that we are flashing on and off, being newly created then dying, continuoulsly, so fast we are not aware of it. I couldn't put an exact time to "how long in duration is a quantum of human consciousness", and will be fascinated to know if the physicists have discovered one, or if your knowing tells you. Oh that just gave birth to a new thought in me..... "knowing" must occur in the real present. Is this right? Must one be present in the now to access knowing? Great leaps of thought occurring for me, catalysed by the list discussions. By the way, I hope Zia that you are not going to withhold your thoughts from us as I find them valuable. Love Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-05/3699 From: Rick Audette Subject: semi OT - Happy birthday Belle Happy Birthday Belle, Whew, I actually got this one in, under the wire. Since you have family in Australia, I guess you've already been getting best wishes for two days. Guess that means I get the last word in :) Hope this has been a great year for you and that the next one is even better. Love, Rick ICQ 19753992 visit my web pages at http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-06/3700 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: More on Relative Truth "Time and space itself are two great entities with a consciousness and life of their own, and they have a beginning and end. Time and space will eventually die and be reborn. Truth itself lives in time and space and fades out of existence and then is reborn with these great entities, but is never destroyed." Great letter JJ :) Since time and space are subjects that fascinate me endlessly, I would like to have a better understanding and ask what does it mean that time has consciousness? Or do you mean that time and space together have a consciousness of their own, they can't be separated? Does time's consciousness come from it being aware of changes in space? Or is space 'alive' because its evolution is reflected throughout time? If consciousness passes in packages of time/quantums, is the quantum of time/space related to photons and speed of light? Pondering dude, Samu :) Ps. Happy Birthday to Youuuuuu, Belle! Have a magical new celestial cycle! :) Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-06/3701 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: More on Relative Truth Samu Karlsson wrote: "Time and space itself are two great entities with a consciousness and life of their own, and they have a beginning and end. Time and space will eventually die and be reborn. Truth itself lives in time and space and fades out of existence and then is reborn with these great entities, but is never destroyed." "Great letter JJ :) Since time and space are subjects that fascinate me endlessly, I would like to have a better understanding and ask ..............." Me too, JJ. You can't say something like that and expect curious souls like us not to notice it! Or maybe you didn't :-) In any event, I would be very interested to hear more about Time and Space having a consciousness of their own. Did they play a part in the Creation of the universe? Is their evolution linked with ours? Will they 'fade out of existence' when the dimensions governed by time and space no longer exist? You know....normal everyday questions like that :-) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From the cowardice that shrinks from new truths... From the laziness that is content with half truths... From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth... O God of Truth, deliver us. - (Author unknown) Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-05/3702 From: J J Dewey Subject: In a Heartbeat The Question of the day: How long is a quantum (or package) of human consciousness? There are two quantums to consider here. The first is the period of time it takes to perceive the image or light of some form. The second quantum is the period of time it takes to register any type of conscious consideration of an idea, thought or form. Rob gave an interesting answer to the first quantum, He said: "I'd say 1/60th of a second. My reasoning being that since lights run at a frequency of 60Hz--and it looks like a continuously burning light instead of one that's blinking on-and-off 60 times per second--but by turning the frequency down you can actually see the light blinking, then our consciousness' must be 'snapping pictures' at either 60 Hz or darn close to it. The frequency of the bulb is synchronized to the frequency our consciousness moves through time. "Akin to ceiling fans--on the low setting it looks like a set of spinning blades, but the highest setting reveals a blurred circle." Very interesting observation Rob. On this quantum I was thinking of the time each frame is shown in moving pictures to create the illusion that the motion on our TV's, or the movies, is continuous. If I remember correctly the number of pictures shown per second is between 16 to 32. 16 pictures per second pretty much creates the illusion of continuous motion, but 32 creates a perfectly smooth flow that tricks our consciousness completely. Let's throw this out again to the group. Does anyone in the group know of any research that has been done that tells us the shortest period of time that our consciousness can register? Rob makes a good case for 1/60th of a second. The second quantum is the period of time it takes to consciously register any thought. This period of time is approximately one heartbeat which, in a person in good condition, is about one second. It was not an accident that the human race created the second as a measuring unit for the smallest period of time in standard use. Whoever established the second did so because it was very close to the smallest period of consciousness that the ancients could comprehend. It is interesting that a second is one sixtieth of a minute and Rob gives us evidence that it takes one sixtieth of a second to perceive light. This correspondence gives credibility to this idea. If this is correct it would explain why we need about 30 pictures a second for smooth movement of film. The one thirtieth of a second between pictures would be composed of seeing the picture for one sixtieth of a second and adjusting the mind between pictures for another one sixtieth of a second accounting for the one thirtieth of a second for each picture. Now within the main quantum, or one second of human consciousness, there lies an eternity of time where billions of tiny lives are in motion and events are transpiring that would astound us if we could but observe all that is going on around and within us. Rick spoke of the possibility of registering time periods that are extremely small. Is it possible for us to become aware of time periods like a thousandth or a millionth of a second or less? Does contact with the lesser lives hold a key to this? Many of us are aware that the Earth itself is a living being. If our quantum of consciousness is a second then how long of a period would a quantum of consciousness be for the earth? In other words, how long between the heartbeats of the earth and what would correspond to the heartbeat of the earth? Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-05/3703 From: J J Dewey Subject: Great Questions As I said looking into some of these great mysteries is a little like a snail trying to understand the Theory of Relativity, but since you asked we will explore this a little more when I have a moment. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-06/3704 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Great Questions That would be great, JJ. And I'm sure if you type very slowly we'll understand at least some of it ;-) Love Glenys (leaving a silver trail behind her) -=-=-=--=-=-=- Blessed are the pure in heart; For they shall see God. ~ Jesus Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-06/3705 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Articles For those interested, using site search at New Scientist's web page http://www.newscientist.com brings up a lot of interesting articles, try keyword 'consciousness' for example. Btw JJ, I think in your new post you were referring to Brian's post, not Rob's :) Love the discussion here! :D Your fellow snail trying to *get it*, Sammy-man :) Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-06/3706 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Articles I said (and how incorrect I was...:) "Btw JJ, I think in your new post you were referring to Brian's post, not Rob's :)" Oops, that was my mistake. For some reason I thought the post was sent by Brian, but indeed it was pouring out from Rob's mind. I am the one who's making things confusing here. I apologize to all 3 of you. Sorry guys :) Trying to adjust my brain back up to that 60Hz, In all my absent-mindedness, Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-06/3707 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Re: Quantum Consciousness When JJ asked about the length of time, or I should say, smallest unit of consciousness, my first thoughts were to say "a flash or split second" but as usual, I have learned something here. I have enjoyed TechKnowBabL's (is that Brian?) response, as well as those of Glenys and Rick (which is almost a given anyway). I am catching up from a long, but relaxing, three day weekend and am savoring the posts of the last 3.5 days, along with my coffee here. I am so grateful to be working in a place where the work comes in spurts so I have a chance to catch up. As Ahnuld (that's Arnold Schwarzneger) once said, I'll be back... Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-06/3708 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: In a Heartbeat Ooooh, Now we are venturing into an area that has always been the most stimulating of all, in my quest to the heart. The greatest "enlightening" experiences, for me, have often come following intense sessions of attempts to unlock the secrets of quantum mechanics and frequencies. Now, I have a feeling that the 1/60th of a second consciousness quantum could be an earth relative dimension and that there could be a sort of sidereal measurement, which might be closer to 1/69.444th of a second. I chose that value because of it's reciprocal value of .0144 and I am a big fan of Capt. Bruce Cathie's harmonics. Of course, at this point, I'm just playing with numbers and there was a previous reference to 144,000 being a single cell within the body of God. I would like to hear a better explanation of how smaller units of consciousness combine into larger ones. I am not yet clear as to if our "I AM BECOMING" is itself a single entity of consciousness or is a host of smaller units, which are so unified as to act as one. I suppose that will be discussed in the Nth book, in the immortal series, but I would like to get a few advance clues, if possible. Meanwhile, I'll just continue playing with the numbers, as best I can. If all this juggling results in any flashes of light, I'll be sure to share it with the rest. Small wonder, I have a calculator watch, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-06/3709 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Re: Virtue of the Week I have heard that courage is not the absence of fear, but taking action in spite of it. Just thought I'd pass that along since it has been helpful to me. XOOO, Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-07/3710 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Quantum Consciousness Here's an interesting article on quantum consciousness and an excerpt from it. http://www.levity.com/alchemy/quantum.html ''.............I believe the movement of this point of consciousness, which appears as a pattern of probability waves in the quantum sea, must occur in extremely short segments of time, of necessity shorter than the time an electron takes to move from one state to another within the molecular structure of the nerve cell membranes. We are thus dealing in time scales significantly less than 10 to the power -16 of a second and possibly down to 10 to the power -43 of a second. During such short periods of time, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which lies at the basis of quantum theory, means that this central spark of consciousness can borrow a large amount of energy, which explains how it can bring a large degree of ordering into a pattern. Although our point of consciousness lives at this enormously fast speed, our brain which transforms this into a pattern of electro/chemical activity runs at a much slower rate. Between creating each pattern our spark of consciousness must wait almost a eternity for this to be manifested on the physical level. Perhaps this may account for the sense we all have sometimes of taking an enormous leap in consciousness, or traveling though vast realms of ideas, or flashes of images, in what is only a fleeting moment. At around 10 to the power -43 of a second, time itself becomes quantised, that is it appears as discontinuous particles of time, for there is no way in which time can manifest in quantities less than 10 to the power -43 (the so called Planck time). For here the borrowed quantum energies distort the fabric of space turning it back upon itself. There time must have a stop. At such short intervals the energies available are enormous enough to create virtual black holes and wormholes in space-time, and at this level we have only a sea of quantum probabilities - the so called Quantum Foam. Contemporary physics suggests that through these virtual wormholes in space-time there are links with all time past and future, and through the virtual black holes even with parallel universes.'' -=-=-=--=-=-=- Blessed are the pure in heart; For they shall see God. ~ Jesus Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-06/3711 From: Anni Ida West Subject: OT - Promoting homepage Hi keysters I know that we all enjoy "The Immortal" and our discussions here on the mailinglist, and I think that you agree with the idea that as many people as possible should have the same possibility to enjoy this, as we have. A couple of weeks ago I suggested that we made a promoting group to find new ways to promote the books - several keysters said they were interested. So I have made a homepage for everybody, who wants to do a lot or just a little bit to help get the words around. It is of course under constant construction - but right now there is a list with suggestions about what you might do to get information about the books out. Also there are 2 pages (Word documents) that everybody is welcome to download, print and throw around to all the places you can think of. One is in English, the other in Danish. It would be great if some of you would translate this page into other languages - then e-mail it to me and I will put it out there. Maybe somebody else from your country will then download, print and send out... If you have or write articles - in different languages - about "The Immortal" or letters to publishers and if you will share them with other keysters - please e-mail them to me and I will put them out there. If you have some new ideas to add to the list of suggestions - again: e-mail me, and I will put them on the page. I think of this page as belonging to all of us - a work tool we can use when we need some good karma (he he), or if we want to do some service. I know a lot of you are already doing many things, so let us inspire each other :-)) The address is: http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Terrace/2242 All comments are welcome - let's help each other and DO it! We are very good at talking and discussing - are we just as good when it comes to doing? In case you wonder: yes, JJ has approved the making of this page :-) Love and light to all of you Anni Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-07/3712 From: Rick Audette Subject: OT- an archive of my pre-keys posts Hi All, Before starting the Keys of Knowledge list, I was a member on several other mail list and was a regular poster. I saved most of these, because I was collecting things for a possible book. I got letters from many people, saying how much they enjoyed the things I wrote and how it "rang" true and made more sense than a lot of the other ideas circulating on the web. Looking back at them, I can see why I was so interested in the Immortal. I have just compiled clips from nine months worth of these posts and put them at: http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/pre_keys.htm Some of the folks on this list were on the same lists and have known me for more than a year. I put these theories and opinions together so that others may get to know me as well. I'm not selling anything, I'm just sharing a part of myself. Your friend, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-07/3713 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: OT - Promoting homepage Thank you, Anni. Your page is a wonderful labour of love. As far as I know, there are five homepages devoted to JJ's teachings yours, Samu's, Lisa's, Rick's and, of course, www.freeread.com where people can read and download Book One. It is a tribute to the truth of the 'ageless wisdom' that JJ expounds that so many pages have sprung up in such a short time. Your page is a welcome addition, Anni. Thanks for sharing your love with us. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Force is followed by loss of strength. Lao-Tzu. Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-07/3714 From: J J Dewey Subject: Seeing in the Present "Many of us are aware that the Earth itself is a living being. If our quantum of consciousness is a second then how long of a period would a quantum of consciousness be for the earth? In other words, how long between the heartbeats of the earth and what would correspond to the heartbeat of the earth?" I am surprised that no one attempted to answer this question. Don't you guys start getting lazy on me now. One unit, or heartbeat of consciousness, for the earth is one year or one circle around the sun. We pick up influences from the consciousness of the earth, but to commune with it we would have to alter our consciousness of time. The whole life span of a man is a little over a minute of time as it is experienced by the Spirit of the planet. Several of you have mentioned units of consciousness that are very small. For instance, Glenys quoted an article talking about units of consciousness far less than a trillionth of a second. Such units exist, but not as human consciousness. I stated that a unit of human consciousness is approximately one heartbeat. If you do not believe this try and think three or more separate and distinct thoughts in one second. It cannot be done. One may object and say that he can see a picture with thousands of variables in it. Even this is difficult to do, but if you can, this still only represents one thought. This is like calling up a picture on your computer screen. The picture on the screen is something your consciousness uses but does not represent a thousand conscious thoughts. If we are honest in examining our own consciousness we will be forced to admit that it is almost impossible to think of more than one thought per second. On the other hand, look how many individual thoughts you think during just one moment of the planet earth's life. If the Spirit of the earth were evolved enough it could tune into your consciousness and gather all the knowledge that it may desire from our time frame. Even so if we are in tune with the Spirit of God we can tune into the smaller lives within our body and catch a glimpse of smaller units of consciousness than we ever dreamed possible. Our ability to sense the passing of time through consciousness is about a second, or a heartbeat, and our ability to take a snapshot of physical reality is measured in about a sixtieth of a second. This means that everything we perceive actually exists in the past. Our perception is about a sixtieth of a second in the past and our thoughts are about a second in the past. This time period seems short to us, but to many of the tiny lives in the microcosm they are eternities. However, the tiny lives that exist within our bodies who have perfected themselves in their sphere seek to shift their time awareness and consciousness to harmonize with our own for to them a human is the universal God. What if we could alter our consciousness so we do not always see the past, but instead see the real present? Would the whole physical universe disappear? Would we see something else? Think of it. The things you see before you are merely images of past impressions and just as A Course in Miracles says: "You see nothing as it is now." Of course, it is important to put the necessary attention on dealing with the reality in which we find ourselves, even though it does present us with many illusions, but the idea of seeing in the present holds keys to several great mysteries. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-08/3715 From: Marylin Subject: Re: Seeing in the Present JJ writes: "This means that everything we perceive actually exists in the past. Our perception is about a sixtieth of a second in the past and our thoughts are about a second in the past. This time period seems short to us, but to many of the tiny lives in the microcosm they are eternities. However, the tiny lives that exist within our bodies who have perfected themselves in their sphere seek to shift their time awareness and consciousness to harmonize with our own for to them a human is the universal God." This paragraph just brought back a memory from the 60s when I was strongly attracted to SciFi. I was reading all the paper back books I could get on it and then one day I thought it would be nice to try to write one myself. So, I sat and began to let my mind wander and explore different thoughts and I thought about a lot of what ifs. The one that I remember most was. What if we are as tiny as the amoeba cells and are a part of something larger. What if the earth is really a cell like the cells in our bodies? Good grief, I hope we're not a cancer cell with all the wars going on. What if this cell is part of another being made in Gods image? That would make God really large. What if this cell is a part of the blood of the being it is in? That would mean that the ether of what we call space is in a vein traveling through space. I learned in school that our solar system is moving through space while we orbit the sun. So we could be a part of the blood stream of someone larger. Then What If the larger person is a cell in still another even larger being? I never did get the story written as I could not see an end to it. Love and Light Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-08/3716 From: Richard/ Sharon Subject: OT Just something to tickle your fancies: Dear Lord--- So far today I have been innocent; I have not gossiped; I have not lost my temper; I have not been greedy, grumpy, nasty, selfish, Proud or overindulgent. And I am very thankful for that........ But in a few minutes, God, I'm going to get out of bed, And I'm going to need All the help I can get Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-08/3717 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Re: Seeing in the Present JJ writes: "Many of us are aware that the Earth itself is a living being. If our quantum of consciousness is a second then how long of a period would a quantum of consciousness be for the earth? In other words, how long between the heartbeats of the earth and what would correspond to the heartbeat of the earth?" "I am surprised that no one attempted to answer this question. Don't you guys start getting lazy on me now." I must REALLY be unconscious for I don't recall you asking that. Are you sure you posted a message with that question, or am I the space case (it would not be the first time, I assure you). Not to mention I feel lost again here. And where IS everyone? It sure was quiet yesterday! As Pink Floyd once said: Hello, hello, hello, is there anybody out there? Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-08/3718 From: (Rob)TeKnoBabL Subject: OT--Organisms moving faster than we can perceive JJ writes: "It is interesting that a second is one sixtieth of a minute and Rob gives us evidence that it takes one sixtieth of a second to perceive light. This correspondence gives credibility to this idea." The first time I heard the ceiling fan observation put into words was from a supposed psychic a few years ago on one of the daily talk shows. The period of time it takes to perceive light I gleaned from my electronics schooling. I just put 2 + 2 together, thanks for the compliment though JJ. Another interesting tidbit is that the period of a frequency is its inverse. The period of 60Hz is 1/60 seconds, the period of 10Hz is 1/10 seconds, etc. So again we have another example of the interplay of opposites. Any real number multiplied by it's muliplicative inverse is 1. I'd like to add a few interesting side notes to my statement to give it further credibility. I remember watching an educational program regarding frame rates in films and one statement that always stuck with me was that the frame rate of 60 fps (frames per second) is a magic number because when played back at the same speed it gives the filmed image more realism. If memory serves I think parts of the movie Saving Private Ryan was filmed at a higher rate of speed to make a viewer feel like he was "there." I know I felt that way. The hummingbird darts along so fast, watching with the naked eye it can be difficult to keep up. But notice how much more detail can be perceived from a hummingbird that was filmed at a fast rate and then played back in slow motion--you can see each flap of its wing whereas before the wings looked like a blur. There is evidence coming in now of living entities whose physical bodies even move through time so fast that we've probably seen them but dismissed the image as a fly or our imagination. "Rods," as their discoverers labeled them, are all around us. They look like a rod with undulating fins on their sides and move so fast through the air that capturing them on high-speed video would reveal them in only a few frames. The intelligently flying "Orbs," being investigated in New Jersey, may also have been around for a while, but due to how fast they move have been discovered only recently. Both "Rods" and "Orbs" can supposedly be seen with the naked eye if you pay attention. I find it interesting how much can be missed due to our limited perceptions. JJ writes: "What if we could alter our consciousness so we do not always see the past, but instead see the real present? Would the whole physical universe disappear? Would we see something else?" Good question. I'd like to know that myself. I'm going to have to do some good hard contemplating on this one. Is this the question of the day? To learn more about "Orbs" go to http://accpc.com/roswell00.htm To learn more about "Rods" go to http://www.roswellrods.com/pre.html Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-08/3719 From: Rick Audette Subject: Seeing in the Present "One unit, or heartbeat of consciousness, for the earth is one year or one circle around the sun. We pick up influences from the consciousness of the earth, but to commune with it we would have to alter our consciousness of time. The whole life span of a man is a little over a minute of time as it is experienced by the Spirit of the planet." Okay, so there being, on average, 86,400 heartbeat in a day, then 86,400 of our years would equal on day for the earth spirit. The Bible says that a thousand of our years is like one day to God. My calculator says, a thousand of our years is equal to about 16 minutes and 40 seconds to the earth spirit. So I wonder, who or what are the entities and how do they rank, that come between 16 minutes and one day. Also are these single entities or are they groups? Years ago I was told that the universe was started by not one, but twelve Gods acting as one and that as individuals advanced they eventually become equal to God, so now there are zillions of entities that hold this rank. Of course, it makes little difference to me, what the real story is, as far as my present level of advancement is concerned, but it would be a thrill to hear the Truth, if it can be spoken. And I'm not going to believe it, just because JJ spoke it, but I have heard other's cosmologies and I would like the chance to make comparisons. Besides, I'd like to have something to swap with all those people, on the net, that want me to believe their "X-files" cosmologies. And, anyway, how much is that in dog years, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-09/3720 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Seeing in the Present "Such units exist, but not as human consciousness. I stated that a unit of human consciousness is approximately one heartbeat. If you do not believe this try and think three or more separate and distinct thoughts in one second. It cannot be done." Well, there must be a case of semantics going on here again. As I sit here typing, I am making decisions about what I want to say, how I want to phrase it and how to spell each word, letter by letter. while I am doing this, I am also seeing and hearing what is going on around me. I hear the air conditioner come on and wonder if I have the thermostat set at the best temperature and there is a program on the TV, behind me, that is about Angels and I am listening to it as I type. If I could only think of one thing per second, it would take me days, just to type this one letter. So, if a human can only think one thought per second, who or what is doing all this quick thinking in my head. For that matter, even at my best I can only type about 30 words per minute, but I know people that can type 60 words per minute, or more. Or, how about when I play my piano and the tempo is set at 120. If my left fingers are playing chords and my right hand is sliding a harmonica back and forth and my lips and tongue are selecting hole positions while I choose to suck or blow and I'm thinking ahead to just when to remove it and sing the next verse, while keeping an eye on the reaction of my audience and at the same time I'm remembering the girl that inspired the song, in the first place, while at the same time I'm wishing my income tax check would hurry up and get her, etc., etc., I surely must be thinking more than one thought per second. If it is not the human that is doing all this thinking, then it must be my animal brain, doing all this thinking. That would be quite the clever beast, that can think faster on it's feet than it's human master. If that's the case, then small wonder it is so hard to overcome the beast, using only one thought per second. So, I wonder, who is running this show, me or some dumb animal? Or am I just trying to go so fast that I got my foot stuck in my mouth, before I knew what was happening? Not your average snail, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-09/3721 From: Rick Audette Subject: Bad dumb animal Oops, Just re-read my last post, after it got here from the list. I see who or whatever wrote it (me or the monkey) made a typo. "I'm remembering the girl that inspired the song, in the first place, while at the same time I'm wishing my income tax check would hurry up and get her,", should have said hurry up and get "HERE". Then again, with my string of luck, maybe it will be some HER that gets it. I hope not. Well, I think I'll put the monkey back in his cage, before he gets me into any more trouble. Swinging from key to key, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-08/3722 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Human Quantum Rick raised some interesting questions. First the Biblical teaching that one day with God is as a thousand years with man has nothing to do with the time reference of the Spirit of the earth. The Spirit of the Earth is not God, but is an entity that is a unity of every life on the earth and on its own plane is not as high in evolution as is a human being. It is not yet self aware as an individual entity, just as animals are not. The Planetary Logos is a different entity from the Spirit of the Earth, who is also known as the Ancient of Days and is the most highly evolved being on the planet, far above human consciousness. Then outside the ring-pass-not of the earth there are higher lives still and many of these live in altered states of time. The one day equals a thousand years quote could have been figurative or it could have referred to some reckoning of time by a high and holy entity that is not clearly revealed. Rick also mentions that there are many typists and musicians who seem to be able to do much more than one item per heartbeat with their consciousness. Typing, reading or playing a guitar is not done with your consciousness. Instead your consciousness uses your trained internal computer programs to do more than one action per heartbeat. As you eyes now read these words I have written you do not consciously think about the meaning of each letter in each word. You do not even think about every word. As you look at the screen or print out you are using an internal pre-learned program to translate these letter and word symbols into meaning that your consciousness can use. As we said earlier our conscious perception is probably around one sixtieth of a second. Therefore, it would be theoretically possible to glimpse a whole page of writing in this time period and if your internal software is under your mastery it would be possible to process this material in your computer brain in a very short period, but this does not necessarily involve a conscious quantum. Some may think we have many thoughts within each second or heartbeat, but let me present you with this. I think I am above average intelligence and I do not have ten thoughts in each available ten seconds. I am lucky if I have one each five seconds - sometimes its only one a minute. In between quantum thoughts my internal software is just processing, taking care of things with no conscious thought of my own doing anything. Now let us give you a little exercise that does involve your quantum thoughts so you can get a little better idea of the teaching I am trying to convey. Visualize five fruits - an apple, a pear, a prune, a grape and an orange all arranged together. In one visualization you can see all them together. This does not involve five units of human consciousness, but one for they are one picture seen as a unit. Now here's what I want you to do. You are going to look at each of these fruits one at a time and see a unique abnormality on each of them. It may be a blemish, the shape or color, but something will be odd on each of the five fruits and each oddity will be different. I will count to three and then you will look at each fruit individually one at a time until you have seen the oddity on each of the five fruits. One, two three... Start... Were you able to do this in five heartbeats? Now think of five different memories from your past that produced five different feelings. How long does this take your consciousness to assimilate? The interesting part of these two exercises is that they are not calling forth something that is preprogrammed within your physical brain such as playing a piano. Something that is preprogrammed can be called forth in an instant with no quantum thought, but if it involves the programmer himself then it takes at least a heartbeat to register anything in full consciousness. The first lesson in the Immortal is that we are not our bodies, but we use them as a vehicle as we would use a car or a computer. Because your computer makes thousands of calculations a second and you use these calculations does not mean that your consciousness is aware of each of these calculations. There are billions of calculations going on each second within our bodies and we use the benefits from those calculations, but we are not consciously aware of them any more than we are aware of the millions of calculations done through a software program. Question: Most people believe that the more knowledge we accumulate and have running around in our head, the more intelligent we will become, but is this true? Many people who are considered geniuses are noted for being "absent" minded. Einstein emptied his mind of all knowledge to the extent that when he went on walks he would often forget where he was and have difficulty in finding his way home. Often the greatest knowledge will come when the mind is a complete blank. Therefore is it possible that the guy who memorizes a whole encyclopedia may actually have a disadvantage over another who has just made a general study of it? If I were to tell you that God does not know anything, would that mean anything to you or just sound like nonsense? Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-08/3723 From: J J Dewey Subject: Direction I was asked to explain more about time and space as entities. When I mentioned that we are like slugs trying to understand the Theory of Relativity in attempting to fully understand some of these higher concepts I was including myself with that slug population. I cannot give you everything, but I can give you some things that may at least stimulate some thought. The beginning of all creation always starts with the One becoming the Three. In the Bible the originating Trinity is called the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. A correspondent to the Trinity as far as this physical universe is concerned is Direction (Father/Mother) Space (Son/Daughter) and Time (Holy Ghost) Another corresponding principle is Breath (Time), Sound, or the Word created by the Breath (Space) and the One who resides in the stillness between the breaths (the Father/Mother). The originating great reflection of the One is Direction or Purpose. There are six major directions in space. They are East, West, North, South, Up and Down. If we take the variances possible the number of directions become infinite. Direction is generally represented in time as only twofold. One direction is the past and the other is the future. But because we have an infinite number of choices available in the future and had the same number in the past the possible direction of Time in connection with Space also is infinite. All direction is created by DECISION and all DECISION originates from some Life. Because Time and Space have direction we know that they are vehicles in use by one who Decides. The Universal Entity that occupies time and space over billions of galaxies is beyond the imagination of the highest Master who is merely beginning to understand the Purpose of the Logos of our tiny solar system. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-09/3724 From: Sharri Lorraine Subject: Re: Seeing in the Present JJ wrote: "One unit, or heartbeat of consciousness, for the earth is one year or one circle around the sun. We pick up influences from the consciousness of the earth, but to commune with it we would have to alter our consciousness of time. The whole life span of a man is a little over a >minute of time as it is experienced by the Spirit of the planet." hummm, I've Heard the Heartbeat of the Mother Earth & it is about every 4th downbeat of drumbeats that the Natives Dance & Chant to. When you go to Sacred Spots, especially where the Lei Lines Intersect, it is Possible to Hear the Heartbeat of Mother Earth in Meditation. So, yes, the Sense of Time & Consciousness does have to be Altered, but not so much that it is out of our every day capabilities. Or are you talking about something altogether different???? But, when you said Heartbeat of the Earth, I've Heard a Definite Pulse & it's not that slow. Rick Audette wrote: "[............] Or am I just trying to go so fast that I got my foot stuck in my mouth, before I knew what was happening? Not your average snail, Rick" ROF LOL!!!!! This is quite some Mental Picture you drew here, Rick, a snail with its foot stuck in its mouth, it's like swallowing your whole self!!!! heeheehee {\@/} / \ * _\|/_ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Love & Light & Laughter Bubbles! :) :) Sharri Lorraine (all small case letters) http://www.skdesigns.com/internet/articles/healing/healing_keys.html *~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~* Since Everything in Life is Perfect in BEing what It Is, having nothing to do with Good or Bad, Right or Wrong,Acceptance or Rejection, I may as well burst outLaughing! >:-( (:-* :-) :-D --- Long Chen Pa --- <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> "Since I no longer think of reality as reality, what reason would I have to think of dreams as dreams?" ~~~ Japanese Master and Poet, Saigyo <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Love Relaxes, Releases, & Reflects Anything Unlike ItSelf. --Anonamous-- Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-09/3725 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Seeing in the Present JJ, you've given me so much food for thought with this email that I feel as if I've overeaten mentally! I haven't got any intelligent comments, just questions that I'll probably regret asking because the answers will no doubt be evident as soon as I click the Send button. J J Dewey wrote: "Even so if we are in tune with the Spirit of God we can tune into the smaller lives within our body and catch a glimpse of smaller units of consciousness than we ever dreamed possible." Why would we want to do that? Wouldn't we better to use our energy to try to tune into consciousnesses greater than ourselves? If I did my best to look after myself physically (for example), wouldn't that be sufficient for the creatures in my body who regard me as their god? Or am I supposed to 'commune' with them as well; to have 'fellowship' with them as we wish to have fellowship with the entity we regard as our god? ".........the tiny lives that exist within our bodies who have perfected themselves in their sphere seek to shift their time awareness and consciousness to harmonize with our own for to them a human is the universal God." Just as we're trying to shift our awareness and consciousness to that of our god, through soul contact? "What if we could alter our consciousness so we do not always see the past, but instead see the real present? Would the whole physical universe disappear? Would we see something else?" Why would it? An apple is still on my table even though I'm a second behind in seeing it. The hand that I burnt the other day still got burnt even though a second had past before I experienced it. The fact that I experience everything in the past makes it no less real to me. "Think of it. The things you see before you are merely images of past impressions and just as A Course in Miracles says: "You see nothing as it is now." That's a bit different. That means that everything we see is coloured and influenced by our past and therefore illusionary. If that's the case, does that mean the present isn't real? The mind boggles! "Of course, it is important to put the necessary attention on dealing with the reality in which we find ourselves, even though it does present us with many illusions, but the idea of seeing in the present holds keys to several great mysteries." For me seeing in the present means trying to see everything on its own merits in a fresh way uninfluenced by my past. That's the ideal. Of course, it's impossible because I am who I am because of my past. While I can see the benefit of not allowing our illusions and 'weaknesses to colour our present, what about our strengths; the things we've learnt that make us better people, such as knowledge and wisdom and love. Surely we want those qualities which we've gained from past experiences, to assist us in viewing the present. I have a feeling I'm being incoherent. I'm off to bed - the bed of my past, and my present and the future which I never experience :-) Love Glenys (who's now knows why she's always behind :-))) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If you can't laugh at yourself, you may be missing the colossal joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Post No. keys-l: /1999-14/3726 From: Sharri Lorraine Subject: Re: The Human Quantum J J Dewey wrote: "Question: Most people believe that the more knowledge we accumulate and have running around in our head, the more intelligent we will become, but is this true?" "Many people who are considered geniuses are noted for being "absent" minded. Einstein emptied his mind of all knowledge to the extent that when he went on walks he would often forget where he was and have difficulty in finding his way home.' "Often the greatest knowledge will come when the mind is a complete blank." Some of the First Lessons of the Toltec Pathway is to Stop Thinking. In other words, to Eliminate the Incessant Chatter that goes on in one's Mind. Don Miguel Ruiz teaches that to BE Truly Present in the Present, one must Empty the Mind of the Thinking/Chatter, then one is Aware of True Thought. Or as you've called it, JJ, Quantum Thought. Just every once in a while I Realize that it's Quiet in my head. As soon as I Realize that, of course, the Chatter starts up again. But, I've noticed that in the last year it has decrease somewhat....... ;-) {\@/} / \ * _\|/_ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Love & Light & Laughter Bubbles! :) :) Sharri Lorraine Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-09/3727 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: The Human Quantum J J Dewey wrote: "If I were to tell you that God does not know anything, would that mean anything to you or just sound like nonsense?" It's always been clear to me that God is a Virgo. The bible tells us that God counts the number of hairs on our heads. Only a Virgo would do that! Love Glenys (one Virgo who would find better things to do) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If you can't laugh at yourself, you may be missing the colossal joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-09/3728 From: Anni West Subject: Re: Seeing in the Present Hi all About 6 hours ago I tried to send this letter from my normal mailbox - I can see it never got there, so I am trying now from hotmail :-)) A few thoughts about seeing in the present: JJ wrote: "What if we could alter our consciousness so we do not always see the past, but instead see the real present? Would the whole physical universe disappear? Would we see something else?" Many years ago I learned Transcendental Meditation (so did The Beatles remember?) :-)) and I remember that one of the things one might eventually do with this was to transcend time and "just be". Something like "pure being" or "pure consciousness". I think in that state you would be in the present. Also I imagine that when I die and watch my whole lifetime "as one picture" I will be in the present. Seeing in the present then means perceiving all things at the same time instead of the way we do it now we filter out some things and choose to perceive only a part of what is going on. Maybe this filtering is really what takes the time? Seeing in the present would let us see everything from another perspective - "in one picture", so in a way the physical universe would disappear as we know it now. Why is it better for us to see in the past? I am not sure - maybe it Has got something to do with "choosing and deciding"? I have an idea that deciding from one moment to the next would be more difficult if we could see the whole picture. I don't know if this makes sense to anybody - hard to put into words! Light and love to all of you Anni Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-09/3729 From: Rick Audette Subject: OT- KIDS KNOW THE TRUTH First Grade Proverbs A first grade teacher collected well known proverbs. He gave each kid in the class the first half of the proverb, and asked them to come up with the rest. Here is what the kids came up with: Better to be safe than........................punch a 5th grader Strike while the..............................................bug is close. It's always darkest before..............daylight savings time Never underestimate the power of....................termites. You can lead a horse to water but .........................how? Don't bite the hand that..................................looks dirty. No news is.....................................................impossible. A miss is as good as a...............................................Mr. You can't teach an old dog.....................................math. If you lie down with dogs, you.................will stink in the morning. Love all, trust..............................................................me. (THE ONE ABOVE CAME FROM A YOUNG BILL CLINTON) The pen is mightier than...................................the pigs. An idle mind is..............................the best way to relax. Where there is smoke, there's.........................pollution. Happy is the bride who.................gets all the presents. A penny saved is..............................................not much. Two is company, three's......................The Musketeers. None are so blind as..................................Helen Keller. Children should be seen and not.....spanked or grounded. If at first you don't succeed...............get new batteries. You get out of something what you.........see pictured on the box. When the blind lead the blind..................get out of the way. There is no fool like.....................................Aunt Birtha And everyone's all time favorite: Laugh and the whole world laughs with you. Cry and ...you have to blow your nose. Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-09/3730 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Truth I feel a day late with this, however, wisdom is always timely... "He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual. The falsehood of the tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions." - Thomas Jefferson I've had this on my frig on a post-it note for quite some time, and when I saw it this morning, it reminded me of all of you oh-so-evolved souls. There was something else I wanted to say, but you know how it goes... no brain, no brain! Happy Friday (or Saturday, as the case may be)... Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-10/3731 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Seeing in the Present JJ asked: "What if we could alter our consciousness so we do not always see the past, but instead see the real present? Would the whole physical universe disappear? Would we see something else?" This is a Grand Question :) Ok, let's see. Well, in physical world we have decision, action based on this decision, reaction to the action (can be seen as feedback to the word said out loud echoing back) and then making of a new decision based on contemplating the information that the result of the previous decision gave us and 'steering the wheel of manifesting' in the desired direction. And on and on. Since our human conscious perception lags about 1/60 of a second behind the real present, what we are experiencing is the aftermath of the decisions made. Now, if we were able to perceive the real present, it seems to me that it would mean that the process of becoming with decisive direction would cease to exist, because we'd only be seeing the now, and there'd be no new now being created based on contemplating/deciphering/choosing the quality of the experience that was created by the previous decision. The point where we make our decision is where we perceive the now, which is actually slightly behind the real now. However, when we make decisions in this point we see the result right after it and can see the direction where we are heading, and change the course if that is what we choose. So we exist and make decisions in the now but based on perceptions that are from a point in space and time that is already history, now :) I am creating in the now but I can't see the results of my work till they're reflected back at me from the universe around me. This means that basically right now you're seeing your past, and what you now decided based on what you saw is just about to enter the picture. You are becoming, you come into being who you just decided to become :) We see who we used to be while we are already something else based on that info. I decide who I am/what I do in the now (=become something new) as I perceive my past decision and make a new one based on contemplating the meaning and quality of its results. If I was able to see the real present, my decision and the perception of it would be simultaneous, and there'd be no chance to make a new decision based on the previous one thru processing and contemplating the meaning and quality of it. It would be impossible to consciously evolve thru decision. If direction is created thru decision, then there would be no conscious direction, and as JJ writes: "The beginning of all creation always starts with the One becoming the Three. In the Bible the originating Trinity is called the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." "A correspondent to the Trinity as far as this physical universe is concerned is Direction (Father/Mother) Space (Son/Daughter) and Time (Holy Ghost)" there'd be no space and time as we know, because the Trinity wouldn't exist as it is right now. Well, maybe the principle of Trinity would, but the process wouldn't be ongoing like it is now :) If there's no process of becoming, there's no growing universe/expanding ring-pass-not either. Not sure how well (if at all:) I have been able to express my thoughts, but I am sending this anyway, yep yep :) Rob, thanks for the info about 'rods'. Love hearing about new fascinating discoveries like that :) Love to y'all, have a great weekend! Samu Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-10/3732 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: The Human Quantum J J Dewey wrote: "The Spirit of the Earth is not God, but is an entity that is a unity of every life on the earth and on its own plane is not as high in evolution as is a human being. It is not yet self aware as an individual entity, just as animals are not." While I intuitively understand this to be true, I have never understood why a consciousness that is supposed to be a unity of all life on the earth is not as evolved, or more evolved, than humans. One would think that the whole would be greater than the sum of the parts. Is it normal for the inhabitants of a planet to be more evolved than the planet itself or is earth an exception? Does this mean then that the spirit of the earth regards humans as god-like creatures, just as those little life forms in our bodies? Does it also mean that the evolution of the earth is dependent on our progress as has been suggested by many new age writers? Love Glenys Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-10/3733 From: Margaret Hampson Subject: Knowall Howdedo JJ, I've enjoyed reading your mail for the last few weeks and have not had any original thoughts, but will share my reaction to your comment that God doesn't 'know' anything. This 'know' seems to relate to learning and knowledge as distinct from the 'knowing' that is experienced and relates more to wisdom. For some reason I thought of the way the Rabbis? used to meet every day, hundreds of years ago, to compile the law (set it in concrete), spending days considering each minute detail, such as 'is a woman regarded as toiling when she goes to the well on the Sabbath'. From then on, if a Jew had a problem he could ask one of the learned men who 'knew' the Law (that had been made up). This man-made 'knowing' has been a useful tool for civilisation. An example of the other sort is when Carl Jung was asked if he believed in God and he said, 'I don't believe, I KNOW'. I think of God as pure, impersonal energy that just 'IS' and its okay with me that God knows nothing. Bye for now, Margaret Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-09/3734 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Seeing in the Present JJ asked: "What if we could alter our consciousness so we do not always see the past, but instead see the real present? Would the whole physical universe disappear? Would we see something else?" Is it the real present? Or is it a relative present? Light from the stars is always viewed from a past point of view. I think of the present as constantly slipping into the past almost the same as we don't really reach the future because as soon as something occurs, it's already the past. What a conundrum this is! Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-10/3735 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Higher Octave Excellent posts today my friends. I must single out Samu for his fine post and suggest you al reread it. I can tell he has been doing some serious thinking here and keeping his mental wheels well lubricated. He stated: "Well, in physical world we have decision, action based on this decision, reaction to the action (can be seen as feedback to the word said out loud echoing back) and then making of a new decision based on contemplating the information that the result of the previous decision gave us and 'steering the wheel of manifesting' in the desired direction. And on and on. Since our human conscious perception lags about 1/60 of a second being the real present, what we are experiencing is the aftermath of the decisions made. Now, if we were able to perceive the real present, it seems to me that it would mean that the process of becoming with decisive direction would cease to exist, because we'd only be seeing the now, and there'd be no new now being created..." Anni also gives us some good wisdom: "Seeing in the present would let us see everything from another perspective - "in one picture", so in a way the physical universe would disappear as we know it now." Also I would like to welcome Margaret. I believe this was her first post and I will attempt to cover the important points of all the posts. It is an interesting thought is it not that we never really register an event the instant it occurs. It takes a sixtieth of a second to perceive it and a heartbeat to register it. What is consciousness as we understand it in this reality? It is created by focusing of attention on quantums of time and space passing by our perceptions. These quantums are the result of decisions made somewhere. Seeing the present would be the same thing as making time stand still. All of our perceptions as we understand perception is dependent on time and space. Thus if we were able to see the real present, the universe as we know it would disappear. All form in the universe is created by vibration and if we were to see the real present we would perceive no vibration therefore we would perceive no form thus we would perceive no thing. If therefore we could exist in the Eternal Now where there is no time, space, consciousness or form, what have we? Answer: We have the higher octave of consciousness. So what is the higher octave of consciousness? What essence of us still exists in the Eternal Now where there is no time and space? Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-10/3736 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Sum of the Parts Sharri makes an interesting point: "I've Heard the Heartbeat of the Mother Earth & it is about every 4th downbeat of drumbeats that the Natives Dance & Chant to. When you go to Sacred Spots, especially where the Lei Lines Intersect, it is Possible to Hear the Heartbeat of Mother Earth in Meditation. So, yes, the Sense of Time & Consciousness does have to be Altered, but not so much that it is out of our every day capabilities. Or are you talking about something altogether different???? But, when you said Heartbeat of the Earth, I've Heard a Definite Pulse & it's not that slow." I said the heartbeat of the earth is approximately one year, yet Sharri detects a pulse every 4th downbeat. What is correct? Since there is no way to know the truth here by just declaring it the best thing to do is to use the law of correspondences or "as above so below" and visa versa. This is not an exact law but it can lead us to many truths.. The average life span of a human is around 78 years. Some teachers have said that if we lived in the best of conditions and ate the best of foods we could live to the age of 144. If we lived to be 144 years old we would live through 4,541,184,000 seconds or heartbeats of a person in peak physical condition. It is an interesting correspondence that the life span of the earth is estimated to be around four and a half billion years. Therefore, if the earth's heart beats once a year then it would live through a similar number of heartbeats of a human in optimum condition. If this correspondence is correct then what is the pulse that Sharri detected? The clue her lies in her statement that sensitive people can detect these pulses in sacred spots where energy lines intersect. What is the correspondence in the human body to the sacred spots of the earth? In general these spots in the human body are acupuncture points which are also created through the intersection of numerous lines of energy. Now let us take a trip and visualize yourself shrinking down until you are the size of an amoebae. Now you are this size you land on the acupuncture point of a human being. After you make this landing time is slowed down so it takes a whole year of your consciousness for this human's heart to beat once. Now your time and size has been greatly altered you tune into the energy of this point where you find yourself. Even though time is slowed down and you cannot detect the heartbeat there is a pulse that you do sense. It is the movement of the energy lines that meet and pulsate. In this time frame it would seem quite similar to a heartbeat. Even so it is with the earth. When we go to its acupuncture points we can pick up electrical pulses that pulsate something like a heartbeat. A sensitive person can pick up additional pranic energy through this and gain some renewal of strength. Glenys questions the idea that the earth is not as evolved on its plane as man is on his. Isn't the whole greater than the sum of it's parts? This concept will be expounded on in a future Immortal book but I will say a few things here. The smaller you go in size the higher the evolution is within that plane. Consider the atom. The tiny lives that make up the oxygen atom, for instance, create every oxygen atom in the universe after a perfect pattern so they are all extremely close to being the same. The tiny lives that hold these atoms together have discovered what works and what does not work to the extent that they all follow the same path of creation. In the vegetable kingdom the flowers of the planet are much more evolved in their plane than humans are on their plane. But does this mean that atoms and flowers are greater lives than the human? No. The human is far from the end of his evolution. Because of this we can advance our own evolution through the study of nature and the atomic world, but because we are a greater life form the human will eventually display all the intelligence of all the lives in nature and then some. When we reach the end of our evolution we will indeed seem to possess the power of the Gods in relation to any other life form, but we still have a long way to go. The planets lag behind man in evolution in their sphere and the star systems lag behind the planets, then too, the galaxies lag behind the stars. When the greater lives reach the end of their evolution they will indeed display their greater abilities, but the key of knowledge here is that the evolution of the greater is dependent on the successful evolution of the lesser. The earth must await the successful evolution of man before it can manifest its destiny. The sun must await the evolution of its planets before it can likewise manifest its destiny and so on. The whole will be greater than the sum of the parts, but first the parts must BECOME to the point of being in working order. Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-10/3737 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: The Higher Octave JJ, I've been enjoying your last few emails very much. I read and reread them and then read them again, and I still manage to learn something new each time. They are "pearls beyond price". Thank you! J J Dewey wrote: "So what is the higher octave of consciousness? What essence of us still exists in the Eternal Now where there is no time and space?" The higher octave of consciousness where there is no time or space must be Christ or soul consciousness where our Angel of the Presence or soul dwells. Love Glenys. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= What is Truth? A difficult question; but I have solved it for myself by saying that it is what the voice within tells you. -Mahatma Gandhi Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-10/3738 From: JILL SCHELL Subject: Re: The Higher Octave Hello J. J. and all, This is my first post here, I was going to Observe for a while however I am drawn to write. "Excellent posts today my friends. I must single out Samu for his fine post and suggest you al reread it. I can tell he has been doing some serious thinking here and keeping his mental wheels well lubricated." Yes Samu did have his mental wheels in action and I would have loved to be able to understand it, but I didn't, sorry. Perhaps you could explain it to me? Anni also gives us some good wisdom: "Seeing in the present would let us see everything from another perspective - "in one picture", so in a way the physical universe would disappear as we know it now." This is one perception and I have another perception of an experience I had of "seeing the real present". What I experienced was in starting a meditation I felt a a cloud lifted from my brain. The next thing I looked at the mirror in my room and it started to bend, like it was liquid. The mirror at one point looked like water just when my mind thought it was it changed and looked like millions of light flecks moving very rapidly just when I thought it was that it looked like snow and then changed back into water and kept going from one extreme to another. The only thought in my brain was What is this? At that moment, time did not stand still because of all the movement I saw and my physical surroundings did not disappear. What I learnt from this experience was just when we perceive things one way it will change become something else, just when we think it is another it will change again. I saw that life is movement even though we can't see it at times and it is forever changing. At this time my physical reality did not disappear as I was quite aware of my surroundings. Since then I have been able to expand my perception on all things and I think that is what "seeing the true present" means to me looking past what we can see expanding our perceptions, thought, feelings, ideas and decisions, becoming unlimited. I am enjoying reading the posts and I look forward to expanding my beliefs, knowledge etc... love, Jill "I am becoming all that I decide to become" - J. J. Dewey (The Immortal) Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-10/3739 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: The Higher Octave You huge warm hello to All! :D Thank you JJ for your compliment, and for questions that really makes one stretch to the mental limits, if not expand those boundaries :) You know, I was really contemplating the question of perceiving the real present all day yesterday and felt like I had reached some degree of perception of something we don't normally perceive (namely understanding of our mind being into the now:), and it felt like my mind started going in loops much like the concept I was contemplating :) I still found it very hard to verbally express my thoughts as I began writing, mostly because I had pictures in my mind rather than words and what we are discussing is an abstract intangible subject to the human mind. But I love to ponder, oh yes :) And that job is never done :D "Seeing in the present would let us see everything from another perspective - "in one picture", so in a way the physical universe would disappear as we know it now." What Anni wrote here and what JJ said later about seeing present causing the time to stand still was also something I was thinking about. Diane wrote that: "Light from the stars is always viewed from a past point of view", and I was thinking that if the light from the stars billions of light years away would be here instantly, it'd mean that in this picture the absence of time would cause that there'd be no space/distances, and we'd arrive to the 'one picture' Anni is talking about above. So yes, the physical universe as we know it would not be, no :) "What is consciousness as we understand it in this reality? It is created by focusing of attention on quantums of time and space passing by our perceptions. These quantums are the result of decisions made somewhere." I believe I was thinking about a similar concept last night in my own words/thoughts. My line of thinking went something like: "What we understand as time comes alive as we move the focus of our consciousness from one thing to the next thru decision, which is our essence." "If therefore we could exist in the Eternal Now where there is no time, space, consciousness or form, what have we?" Wait, wait. We do exist in the now, don't we? Isn't it just our perception of the reality that's a snapshot of our extremely recent past? We mould this me-in-the-now from a point of view that sees the creation of our previous decision, no? This delay between what really is and what we perceive is what gives us perspective that enables us to decide over a direction, or so I see it. "Answer: We have the higher octave of consciousness. So what is the higher octave of consciousness? What essence of us still exists in the Eternal Now where there is no time and space?" Higher octave of consciousness... Creates an image of a very high-pitched note that resonates in lower octaves that are more perceptible to human senses :) Glenys mentions Christ or soul consciousness, very near God-like essence, and I was thinking about who we are, becoming whatever it is we decide to become, the essence that decides over which path to choose. Would I be totally wrong in saying that this essence dwells in no space/time (or maybe in the pinnacle of that wave) but is behind the existence and creation of all space/time? :) Jill, a very warm welcome, I enjoyed your post very much :) Your cool meditation experience reminds me of lucid dreams. How 'liquid' and non-static our reality really is, yes. If you tell me which part of my probably confusing thinking-out-loud you don't understand, I'd be more than happy to try and clarify it to you. Which is actually scary, explaining what your thoughts *really* are about, heheheeheheee :D Splendid bright vibes!!! Samu Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-11/3740 From: JILL SCHELL Subject: Re: Seeing in the Present Hello Samu, Thanks for your warm welcome. When I was meditating I had only just started so I was not in a meditative state at that time. I think this is why I had that one thought. It just happened. :o] As for what didn't I understand, I was lost after the first sentence add to this interruptions and you get the picture. Why I didn't understand could have been because the writing seemed to run together. The ideas, the one's I understood have me asking questions wanting to know more. I feel that something significant was said but I couldn't quite get the full picture. I understand that action is based on decision and when people react to that action, their reaction can be seen as a form of feedback. I understand that making a decision requires all the available information that we can access, through the past or communicating in the present (or what we perceive), in guiding our desire or what we want to manifest as our future. I think I got lost at the point of Since our human conscious perception lags 1/60th of a second.......(I have never heard this before) and am still a bit perplexed because I have no conscious experience of this that I can remember. I think because I was lost with this that my conscious self switched off and I am not getting any feedback from my inner wisdom on this thought at this time. I would love it if you could explain it to me very simply. "If I was able to see the real present, my decision and the perception of it would be simultaneous, and there'd be no chance to make a new decision based on the previous one thru processing and contemplating the meaning and quality of it. It would be impossible to consciously evolve thru decision. If direction is created thru decision, then there would be no conscious direction" Could this be what lies behind the view of Detachment and living in the present? If there was no conscious direction would a person be responsible for their actions. If a person lived with no conscious direction what would be the effects of that? Could detachment be used not to judge a situation in order to get all the information before making a decision. If Humanity took the detached view to life what would happen to evolution? Hmmmm interesting thought. Thanks looking forward to hearing from you as I know now there is something for me to learn here if I can just get the full picture. love, Jill "I am becoming all I decide to become" - J. J. Dewey (The Immortal) Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-11/3741 From: Margaret Hampson Subject: The Higher Octave Thanks JJ for your welcome. You ask 'what is the higher octave of consciousness?' 'What essence of us still exists in the Eternal Now where there is no time and space'. The Ageless Wisdom teachings say that we are Essence and on incarnating we become Form (this is Involution) for the purpose of learning on the physical plane to express this Essence. We have come to Evolve in consciousness through 7 planes of matter, into Spirit, when Form again becomes Essence and as we gain mastery over the planes we raise our consciousness from dense to higher, finer vibrations. Is this what is meant by 'the higher octave of consciousness?' Time and Space are 3-Dimensional concepts so if we raise our consciousness beyond Time and Space to higher Dimensions, perhaps we'll find that the Essence of us exists in the Eternal Now. Love and Light, Margaret Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-11/3742 From: Rick Audette Subject: The Higher Octave Ah, Octaves and time and space and the third dimension, now here are some words that I have played with. First, I have, for some time felt that the word octave is inadequate in the description of higher levels of consciousness. Since I play with music and math, the term octave implies a linear doubling of a given frequency and I sense that there is more to it than that. For me, the paradigm shift in consciousness is more than just a simple times two process and deserves a new name of its' own. For me it is comparable to the information which is stored on a holographic negative or the energy which is stored in an elastic, such as the rubber band in a balsa airplane. Another analogy is the energy in atoms. Let me illustrate that in a little better resolution (which in itself is also an analogy of the so called higher octave). A hologram is a pattern of iterated interference waves, imprinted on a media in such a way that when a laser beam and it's reflection are passed through it, they combine to produce a three dimensional image, something like using a film slide to project an image onto a screen. Unlike the film slide, however, if you cut a hologram in two, instead of getting two half pictures, each piece will produce the complete image. This is because the information, needed to produce the image, is not stored in any one place on the film, but is located everywhere thereon. It does not matter what size you cut the pieces. Each one still contains the whole picture. As the pieces get smaller you will notice a loss of clarity, but you will always see the whole picture. As you wind the propeller, on a rubber band powered airplane, the band twists like the strands on a rope. When a certain level of twists have been added, there comes a time when one more turn of the propeller will cause the rubber band to snap into a new form of twisting, where the spirals now revolve around the firsts set of twists. The first such revolution is so sudden as to produce an audible click (put your ear up to it and you'll hear it). Additional winding will produce a chain of these new kinks, down the length of the rubber band. When the chain reaches the end, the process repeats itself, with a new layer of kinks which revolve around the second set. Again, the first new revolution happens so sudden it makes a snapping sound. There might be a limit to how many levels of kinks can be produced, in any medium, but I can tell you that with rubber band airplanes, either your winding hand or the rubber band or the wooden frame is going to give out, before this limit can be reached. The point is that the shift of one level to another is not factored by a doubling of the number of turns, but is controlled by the length and elasticity of the medium. I suspect the same dynamic is at play in the production of electron shells in atoms, but the math is more than I care to try and work out on my calculator watch. Now, there may be a set limit to how many layers of twists can be piled up (like seven) before there is a new, scaled up set of rules and the counter is reset to zero, but, somehow for me, the word octave just doesn't quite fit. If someone could tell me a word that fits, I would be happy to learn and use it. If there is no word for it, then we ought to invent one. I don't think time and space are limited to the third dimension either, but seeing how much I've rambled already, I'll save that one for another day. Looking for God, in a rubber band, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-11/3743 From: J J Dewey Subject: Questions and Answers One of our new readers sent me some questions by e-mail and I thought I would post some of the answers here for the benefit of all. He thought that I was predicting the coming of Christ as being in 150 years so I responded as follows: I did not mean to indicate to you that Jesus would come in 150 years. Let me quote from my writings: "Providing that alternative two is successful it will still take about 150 years to successfully usher in the age of peace. But the main period of tension will be the next 30 years. During this time period the final preparations will be made for the return of Christ." The preparations for the return of Christ should happen in the next thirty years. There is a high probability his coming will take place by the end of that time, around 2030. A good start on planetary peace should take place before He comes, but the New Age of peace will not be fully ushered in until around 2150 or so if things go as planned. "Is the Ancient of Days our father who Yahshua sits on the right hand of? Who has a Father above him, and one above him, and so on back to the Great Spirit Who Exists and Causes to Exist? I've also herd that the I AM That I Am, Is I Exist And Cause to Exist." Yes. The Ancient of days is the One, the main entity, who is referred to as the Father of the Spirits of this earth, but there is more to explain about the references of Jesus in relation to His Father that was in him. We will cover this mystery in future postings. "Next if Yahshua isn't coming for 150 years Then what about all those prophesies. Israel becoming a nation again? Armageddon being fought in the valley of Megedo in Israel not in Europe WW1 & WW2. The 200 million man army of the Kings of the East that's ready now. Earthquakes in diverse places, wars and rumors of ethnic wars, plagues, diseases, and famine all of these increasing in intensity like birth pangs which they have been doing in this century. The birth of the Kingdom on earth. His Return. Then it does say He will come for a Glorious Overcoming Church, which the main body of the church is far from. It could easily take a 150 years to get these people's thinking changed into an overcoming, light producing, action taking mind set. Prepare the way so to speak. "What about Revelations and the Seals and the Trumpets and the Bowls of judgment. A third of the earth being burned up. The trees. The grass. the people. The Mark of the Beast so no one can buy or sell without it. The 144,000 who are sealed like Ray in the forehead with the Father's Name. The Comet Wormwood that's cast into the sea and a third of the sea life dies. The astronomers say there is a comet headed on a collision course for earth. A famous remote viewer has foreseen a solar flare series that scorches the earth and could easily wipe out a third of life on earth he says like in the book of Revelation. If you have contact with John the one who wrote it could you please explain it for me. I have been bothered by its prophesies for years. To the point I've probably been held back for worrying about the future calamities. I know this was not to be its purpose to cause us to worry. More to Enlighten us and guide us, maybe warn us, I don't know and I need some answers. Which I know must come from within for the Kingdom of Heaven is in us. Maybe you could help clarify some of these issues." Answer: Some of these things we have talked about in earlier posts. We talked extensively about the beast and the 144,000, the seal in the forehead etc. Basically we covered chapter thirteen verse by verse I detail. You might want to go back and read these early posts. There are many other great and terrible prophesies in the book, but there are several things one needs to understand as the world anticipates the fulfillment of these prophesies. The ancient Jews has this belief about the scriptures. They believed that the inspired word of God had three levels of interpretation. They called it the body, soul and spirit of the scriptures. Actually they could more accurately be named physical, astral and mental. Now all scriptures and prophesy are fulfilled on at least one of these levels, often on two levels and sometimes on all three levels. If mankind learns the lesson of the prophesy after the fulfillment on the mental level then it does not need to descend to the astral level. If it does descend to the astral, or emotional level, and the lesson is learned there, then it does not have to descend to the physical plane. The story of Jonah was written in particular to help us understand this principle. Jonah did not want to obey the voice of God and go to Nineveh because they were a bloodthirsty people and he feared that he may suffer a terrible death at their hands. Therefore he tried to escape his mission. God wanted the job done so he had Jonah swallowed by a giant fish which spit him up on the shores of Nineveh. Since the reluctant prophet figured he could not get out of the job he acquiesced, went into the city, and declared a bold prophesy to the people: He told them that forty days would not pass before the city of Nineveh would be destroyed. (Jonah 3:4) After this he went outside the city to wait for the physical destruction to happen, but something else happened instead. The people of Nineveh were touched by the warning of Jonah and experienced a change in their hearts and minds. In other words, the people of this city were destroyed on the mental and emotional levels. They changed their heats and minds so Nineveh, the feared city that sacrificed their children to the Gods ceased to exist and a kinder more gentle city emerged. Because the prophesy was fulfilled on the higher levels we are told that "God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them, and he did it not." Jonah 3:10 Now the interesting thing is that Jonah had quite a bit of pride and was fully expecting his prophesy to come true. I'm sure he was going to throw around a lot of "I told you so's." But when he saw that God had changed his mind he was extremely upset, so much so that he told God he did not want to live any more. He would rather die than be ridiculed as a false prophet. The book ends up with God reasoning with Jonah by telling him that he was being more concerned with own ego than with the lives of the 60,000 people who were saved from destruction. He should have been happy, not sad that the lives of so many were saved. The interesting thing about today is that the world is full of religious Jonahs who are eagerly awaiting the prophecies of destruction to occur. These people can't wait for God to come in his fierce wrath and burn the wicked as stubble. The wicked, of course, are those who do not conform to their own interpretation of scripture. These people can't wait for a beastly dictator, worse than Hitler, to show up and plant some computer chip or bar code in people's heads or right hands. They rejoice when they see famine, war and pestilence as a sign that the end is at hand. The actually look forward to the sea and the rivers becoming as blood, the light of the sun becoming darkened, a great plague of locusts, the death of all life in the sea and a great comet called Wormwood falling on the earth. In addition to the Biblical prophesies there are others who are looking forward to saying "I told you so" about Y2K, earth changes, economic collapse or some banking conspiracy. Not all, but many of the devoutly religious care more about these prophesies coming literally to pass on the physical plane than they do about the lives and souls of the people who would undergo immense suffering under these conditions. They need to remember the words of Jesus to James and John as they eagerly expected Jesus to destroy his enemies: "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." Luke 9:56 After the new millennium is come in and a decade or so has passed some will become disappointed and even angry that all the prophesies have not come literally to pass, that the world is actually going to hold together as we go into the next thousand years. They will fail to realize that all the prophesies have come true on higher levels and many of them have fulfilled their purpose and need not manifest literally on the physical plane just as Nineveh was not literally destroyed. When Christ does return he will not slay the wicked in a physical sense with the breath of His lips, but His words will slay the wicked thoughts of men and put such thoughts in their proper place which is the bottomless pit of illusion. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-11/3744 From: Sharri Lorraine Subject: Re: The Sum of the Parts J J Dewey wrote: "Sharri makes an interesting point: "I've Heard the Heartbeat of the Mother Earth & it is about every 4th downbeat of drumbeats that the Natives Dance & Chant to. When you go to Sacred Spots, especially where the Lei Lines Intersect, it is Possible to Hear the Heartbeat of Mother Earth in Meditation." "I said the heartbeat of the earth is approximately one year, yet Sharri detects a pulse every 4th downbeat. What is correct?" "Now let us take a trip and visualize yourself shrinking down until you are the size of an amoebae. Now you are this size you land on the acupuncture point of a human being. After you make this landing time is slowed down so it takes a whole year of your consciousness for this human's heart to beat once. Now your time and size has been greatly altered you tune into the energy of this point where you find yourself. Even though time is slowed down and you cannot detect the heartbeat there is a pulse that you do sense. It is the movement of the energy lines that meet and pulsate. In this time frame it would seem quite similar to a heartbeat." "Even so it is with the earth. When we go to its acupuncture points we can pick up electrical pulses that pulsate something like a heartbeat. A sensitive person can pick up additional pranic energy through this and gain some renewal of strength." OK. I have heard Lei Lines described as the Nerves of the Planet and the Intersections as the Nerve Centers. So, in that analogy, the Pulse that I Heard would be like Neurons Pulsing through the Nerves, which, of course, travel much faster than a Heartbeat! {\@/} / \ * _\|/_ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Love & Light & Laughter Bubbles! :) :) Sharri Lorraine (all small case letters) http://www.skdesigns.com/internet/articles/healing/healing_keys.html *~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~* Since Everything in Life is Perfect in BEing what It Is, having nothing to do with Good or Bad, Right or Wrong, Acceptance or Rejection, I may as well burst out Laughing! >:-( (:-* :-) :-D --- Long Chen Pa --- <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> "Since I no longer think of reality as reality, what reason would I have to think of dreams as dreams?" ~~~ Japanese Master and Poet, Saigyo <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Love Relaxes, Releases, & Reflects Anything Unlike ItSelf. --Anonamous-- Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-11/3745 From: Sharri Lorraine Subject: Changing the Future & Past `Pardon my tardiness on this subject, but it keeps bothering me, so I'm going back to it. I Feel that the Creation of our Future is fairly Set, in that, "As we Stand in this Day, by our Thoughts and Actions, this (..........) is our most Probable Outcome." And just as JJ gave the Story of Jonah: `"[.................] The people of Nineveh were touched by the warning of Jonah and experienced a change in their hearts and minds. In other words, the people of this city were destroyed on the mental and emotional levels. They changed their heats and minds so Nineveh, the feared city that sacrificed their children to the Gods ceased to exist and a kinder more gentle city emerged. Because the prophesy was fulfilled on the higher levels we are told that "God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them, and he did it not." Jonah 3:10" So, as they/we BECOME New people, the Most Probable Future also *Shifts* to a New Most Probable Future. By the same token, people today are Given Prophetic Dreams & Visions in order to Shift that Negative Future to a more Positive Future. My Friend has Death-Dreams, Future Events, that once Given this Info, she has been able to prevent some friends getting killed up to and including the crash of a jet......... me, I just get to do Soul Rescue Work, after the fact..... So, while the Physical Future cannot be Changed, as it Becomes the Present & slips into the Past, the Most Probable Future of the Mental & Emotional Futures on the Astral Plane CAN be *Shifted* as they draw near to Manifesting in the Physical Realm! And now a Story about *Changing the Past* This is the result of a Healing Technique, which can be found at: http://www.ozemail.aust.com/~jsjp/mpt.htm "Tapas told us the Most Amazing Story! She said it was her first referred client. This woman had been involved in 9 auto accidents, not of her own fault, and in each one sustained head injuries. Her children were always hurting their head. Everyone in her family, brothers, sisters & cousins were always hurting their head! "While the client was in the TAT pose, Tapas had a Vision of a little boy & his father in a little cabin in the mountains having dinner. Suddenly a wild man burst in and killed the father with a blow to the head. The little boy huddled in the corner watching this in horror. "Tapas' client's body was Willing to Clear the most recent trauma, then the next two recent, then all the rest. That was the end of that session. The next week she returned for another session. Tapas ask her if she would be Willing to be a Surrogate for Healing the little boy, who was her ancestor. The client agreed and her body agreed. While the client was in the TAT pose, Tapas had another Vision: Time Collapsed & she Saw the little boy again cowering in the corner. Suddenly, he relaxed. He said, "Oh, the Angels have heard my Prayers. I'm not alone anymore." And there Tapas & her client were "Listening" & "Comforting" the little boy. "Tapas lost touch with the client for a couple of years, but looked her up about 2 years later. The woman said that neither she nor anyone else in her family had had a head injury since that day they did the Healing for her ancestor!!!" This Story Illustrates the *Re-sequencing* of DNA - Who we ARE - From the Past (ancestors) to the Present & Into the Future (children). If this isn't *Changing* the Past, I don't know what you'd call it. Then there is the *Time Shift* a Phenomenon in which the Physical World Shifts & people around you just go along with it as if it's Always been that way; such as the stop sign which suddenly appears at a cross road and there are no warning signs to alert you, because every one else seems to think that it's been that way for months! Or like my friend who lived in a "look alike" housing development one day when he came home, there were !2! barn-like houses next to his which had NOT been there in the morning! No one in the neighborhood thought it strange, including one of his friends, whom he brought by. They said, "What do you mean? The Barns have always been there." But, 2 other of his friends that he brought by said, "Where did those Barns come from? They look so out of place here!" There is more going on in our World that most Humans can Imagine, let alone Contemplate. There are Forces at Work here that we can Tap Into & have a chance at Turning Around if we can Live the *Keys of Knowledge,* Fully EmBodying our Soul/Spirit! {\@/} / \ * _\|/_ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Love & Light & Laughter Bubbles! :) :) Sharri Lorraine Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-11/3746 From: Sharon Jorgenson Subject: God's astrological sign! It's always been clear to me that God is a Virgo. The bible tells us that God counts the number of hairs on our heads. Only a Virgo would do that! Love Glenys (one Virgo who would find better things to do) But only a Pisces God could hide our sins from us and remember them no more ;-) SharonJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-11/3747 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: God's astrological sign! I love these comments. My best guess is that God is all of that and infinitely more. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-11/3748 From: J J Dewey Subject: Higher Realities Question: So what is the higher octave of consciousness? What essence of us still exists in the Eternal Now where there is no time and space? Rick is perhaps right here that "octave" is not an exact word for this question, but it is the closest I can think of. A higher octave in music is a fairly black and white thing. To reach the higher sound you just directly increase vibration. The response is a very predictable sound. In speaking of evolution, the mysteries of life and the human spirit there is often more involved than a simple increase in vibration. Instead the concept may involve a quantum leap of some kind and the results are more difficult to predict. The higher octave or leap may have some similarities with the lower but also may have branches that seem totally unrelated. Sometimes these octaves or leaps may correspond more to the root of a tree compared to a trunk or the branches. They are related parts of the whole and have similarities, but differences too. So what is the higher correspondence to consciousness then? If we had power to follow godlike lives to an existence where there is no consciousness as we know it because there is no time and space what in the world would be left? The higher correspondent of consciousness, the root of the tree beyond time and space from which all consciousness, time and space springs forth is the Life Principle itself. This Life Principle is very closely related to the first key which is that power within you that makes decisions. The major decision that the Life Principle makes as far we understand it is "to be or not to be," within the words of time and space. There are many lives who have decided "not to be" and look upon us as foolish to venture forth into these changeable worlds of time and space. On the other hand, we brave (or foolish from another viewpoint) who have ventured forth have the belief that going through these worlds of form and BECOMING what we decide to become will bring us an eternal enrichment that the other lives will not possess. In this higher state where livingness depends on the Life Principle rather than consciousness the lives exist in a state of "not being" and the entities are sometimes called the "Not Self." They function through a higher form of thought in a world of ideas. To contact these lives and the ideas they project a person in this reality must suspend normal consciousness and thought. This is why people like Einstein and Thomas Edison seemed very absent-minded at times. It has been a frequent occurrence in history that the great minds were thought to be somewhat backward because they seemed to have a difficult time keeping their mind on the regular learning principle as teachers here understand it. A great inventor, songwriter, writer or other creative artist will often get his inspiration when his regular mind is in some type of suspension, and he tunes into a higher type of thinking by not thinking. To tune into higher realities we must tune out the current reality to some degree. The process of seeing auras involves a process like this with the art of seeing. To see the aura of another you must go through the art of a process I have named "not seeing." Right after you are born as an infant you cannot see clearly for a few days. To see and make out images is one of the first things you learn. Few realize that the ability to see is something we learn. The interesting thing is that to see many things that are normally invisible we must unlearn what we have learned about seeing and "not see." When we unravel regular seeing then other things normally invisible comes into focus. The first time you catch a glimpse of an aura you will be startled by its beauty and rouse yourself to take a better look by "seeing." The second you try and see it, the colors will immediately disappear. Instead you must let the aura manifest, and when it does, check yourself so you make absolutely no effort to see. When no effort is made to see then you will see that which was before invisible. In addition to seeing auras through the process of "not seeing" you can see the etheric body, the energy fields that circulate around your body and the most difficult of all, the auric film which is egg shaped and circulates about an arm's length from your body. On this film is projected various thoughts represented in geometric forms. Thus to see beyond the world of form we must suspend the seeing of form and go to the universe of infinite ideas by not seeing, not thinking and not feeling. When our ATTENTION is shifted to this higher reality we become absent minded and tap into a higher mind. When we do tap into this higher universal mind we can then, though the medium of the soul, bring down into regular consciousness ideas that can become clothed in physical reality. In the formless world of ideas you can travel from the idea of one galaxy to the idea of another galaxy in no time, but in this universe of time and space it may take several million years to get to another galaxy at the speed of light because the ideas of these two galaxies are clothed with time, space and consequently form. There is much more that could be written on this subject. A few would find it fascinating, but others may lose interest. The main point to learn from all this is that no matter how much we think we have everything figured out there will always be another step for us to take and there are steps above those steps. We live in a universe where progression is eternal and those who are on the Path realize that this is as it should be. Now we shall shift our direction to the subject of the Christ and His "Second Coming," and exactly who or what it is that is coming. The coming of Christ is set to happen as not one great event, but in three stages. The first stage is the implanting of the idea in the minds of, first the spiritual teachers, and then of the general public of the concept we now know as the Christ Consciousness. Questions: What is the Christ Consciousness and how successful has been the Brotherhood of Light in promoting this idea among humanity? Have they been successful enough so we can move to stage two. What do you suppose stage two is? JJ