1999 - WEEK 13 Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3607 From: Mrs H schwebel- Knight Subject: Re: What is Truth? "What is Truth?" "Here's a question to get our minds in gear. Concerning truth there are two basic camps. One says that truth is absolute, the other says that truth is relative." "What is the truth of the matter here about truth itself? Is truth in the eye of the beholder, or does it exist independent of the beholder?" Hi JJ, I've always believed in a higher truth, ie Gods Truth, although we do seem to have our own understandings of that truth which evolve & deepen along our journey (relative truth ), Relative to our own understanding of God's Truth in the moment. So could there be two truths? Is relative truth as ' true' as God's Truth, it certainly feels that way when we believe something to be true, we really believe its true. It belongs with the words Faith, Grace ,God, Truth. Heather. Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3608 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: SINCERITY "Zia" wrote: "I wish to thank Rick for the creation of the list." I agree we have a lot to thank Rick for. He's given us a wonderful opportunity to grow in the Light. "Also I personally agree with you Rick, that JJ gives us great hope and direction in such an inspiring manner. True change then becomes our own choice motivated by this inspiration. Thank you so much JJ." JJ is a real gift from a loving creator as far as I'm concerned. His teachings help us access those absolute, universal truths in a very special and unique way. His teachings are empowering us to trust our own guidance and the hope that we all carry in our hearts. I know I will be eternally grateful to him. I'm also grateful to his wife, Artie, who I'm sure is a great motivation and support to him. JJ has often spoken of their love for, and commitment to each other and I'm sure that 'river of life' keeps JJ going strong. "I am grateful to Glenys that posted such an excellent article from WSWS giving us such a clearer picture of the world than what I seem to receive here in America." It was interesting, wasn't it. Just information though and therefore relative truth :-) There is so much on the Net about the Kosovo situation these days from writers from all sides of the spectrum. It's reminded me that the Net seems to have taken over the role of the media in presenting the truth because we all know that the media today only tells us what it's programmed to tell us. As they say, in war the first casualty is Truth. But thanks for your appreciation, Zia. I'm sure I can speak for all when I say that the light and wisdom you bring to the list enriches us all. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." - Niels Bohr (1885-1962) Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3609 From: Jennifer Hampson Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-03-28 of The Keys of Knowledge List I doubt the difficulties will be as extreme as the doom-sayers predict, and I doubt times will be completely smooth or even continue as they are now. (Which is a shame from my point of view, because, although I have compassion for those of you who have expressed that life is not 'easy' for you at present, my own life is pretty good right now.) I guess the truth will lie somewhere between the two. But what does it hurt to be prepared in practical terms? I for one am organising alternative sources of heat and power, a stock of food and, even a vegie patch maybe - all just things that will come in handy anyway, even if they don't become vital. Also a supply of insulin for my 10 year old daughter who has juvenile diabetes. (BTW, I was really inspired to hear Samu how you have seen the gifts in your diabetes). I would hate to compromise the well-being of those I love, just because I failed to take a little precaution. Last year when Victoria was without gas, NZ without electricity and, Sydney without fresh, drinkable water, I realized how dependent I am on utilities that are actually quite fragile, and I determined to become a little more self-sufficient and set up to cover myself, and others I could help, for unforeseen events. One more thing, someone once told me that the point of prophecy of disasters is not to cause panic but to wake people up to what might happen so that they do something to ensure the prophecy is not fulfilled. If a prophecy does not come true then the prophet has done his or her job. Love, Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3610 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-03-28 of The Keys of Knowledge List Jennifer Hampson wrote: "Last year when Victoria was without gas, NZ without electricity and, Sydney without fresh, drinkable water," Well, it was one city rather than the entire country, albeit our biggest city :) All the rest of us felt very superior because it was our most 'carnal' of cities and people were quick to comment that it was the inhabitants racy 'American' lifestyle causing payback time (we're not always logical here). But really it was poor maintenance of the underground power cables that caused it. But Jennifer is right - we are all dependent on utilities and it was a very salutary lesson for us all. "One more thing, someone once told me that the point of prophecy of disasters is not to cause panic but to wake people up to what might happen so that they do something to ensure the prophecy is not fulfilled. If a prophecy does not come true then the prophet has done his or her job." I agree completely. The Net is full of Nostradamus's July 1999 death and destruction prophesy at present and many are convinced it will take place. I doubt it very much but if the 'troubles' do start, I'm off to Jennifer's veggie patch. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." - Niels Bohr (1885-1962) Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3611 From: Heather S-K Subject: Re: What is Truth? Sorry***** a thousand pardons for all the 'stuff' again!!!!! I checked my format etc and it had plain text highlighted so I'm a little confused.... again.... I've just saved the virtues (thanks Rick !!! loved the song one of my favorites!). Now, web pages are written in html yes? So did saving one of these cause my next e-mail to be in this text? Ho Hum I WILL get better at this I Promise, and I mean this as a YEA !! regards Heather ***** (\0/) ***** ~~~/ \~~~ Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-28/3612 From: Sharri Lorraine Subject: Vision of ForGiveness HI ALL, I was going to send this to just a few, then decided to send it to the whole List. ~~ L&L, SL:) Saturday, 27 March 1999 VISION OF FORGIVENESS Golden & Green tones on a background of Black. I See Spheres of Positive & Negative Energies. The 2 are Drawn together to interact. The Energy between the 2 grown & grows. The Negative Energy Sphere seems to build, drawing Energy from the Positive Sphere, while it demises slightly. I See the Pattern of Attraction & Repulsion & Resistance between the 2. The only way out of this situation is the opposite of what Creates it: Resistance. So the Key to Non-Resistance is to Collapse in on Self to Zero-Null & ReManifest Outside the Situation. This is done with Choice & Attention. What I put my Attention on Grows. So I place my Attention on Where/What I *Wish* to BE, leaving Nothing-Zero in the Space of Resistance. But if I cannot Give-up or ForGive all *Resistance* to the Situation then I cannot place my Full Attention/Focus on another Space. In other words, for me to *Shift* Spaces/Attention, I must ForGive & ForGet the Situation/Interaction & Give-up ALL Resistance. Then -poof- Zero/Null & Attention Focused on Another Space/Situation. TERMINOLOGY: ForGive = no Resistance. Give to the Situation what is Asked of me. ForGet = I Get from the Situation/Experience what I had Wished & Asked for on some Level. Wish = a Positive/Creative Manifestation. A "Wish" *Springs* from the Heart. It *Springs* from the Body/Torso Lightly. Want = a Negative Energy Word. "Want" weighs heavily in the Heart. Creating the Space for Want, which the Universe Fills with Abundance - Wanting..... Go ahead. FEEL it for yourself: Say, "I Wish" "I Want" "I Wish" "I Want" "I Wish" "I Want" Can you FEEL the Difference in your Body????? {\@/} / \ * _\|/_ ~*~%~*~%~*~ Love & Light & Laughter-Bubbles! :) :) Sharri Lorraine Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-28/3613 From: (Richard/ Sharon) Subject: Forgive & Forget Sharri, thank you, beautifully put. Sharon & Richard Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-28/3614 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: What is Truth? J J Dewey wrote: "Here's a question to get our minds in gear. Concerning truth there are two basic camps. One says that truth is absolute, the other says that truth is relative." "What is the truth of the matter here about truth itself? Is truth in the eye of the beholder, or does it exist independent of the beholder?" "If you believe in absolute truth give an example or two." "If you believe in relative truth give an example also." Absolute truth is absolutely true no matter what, no matter where. I think of it as Gods' truth, hence it's universal truth. This truth IS. This is the truth that we can measure against when we contact our soul. If truth is relative then it's subject to man's laws of truth and not God's. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-28/3615 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: What is Truth? "If you believe in absolute truth give an example or two." I have long thought that a circle is a circle and a sphere is a sphere, with all the mathematical relationships of radius to circumference, etc. having always been the same and that even God would have to use circles, as is. In other words, there never was a time when there was no circle and God did not have to invent it. So, I think circles must be an absolute truth. To everything, turn, turn, turn, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-28/3616 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: What is Truth? Here's a quote from my journal, "The Do-It-Yourself Guide": "Heaven is Truth, with a capital "T", meaning the One, perfect and unchanging Truth. Any truth, short of the One Truth, can be said to be partial and variable. What is true, for me, may not be true to you. What is true today, may be false tomorrow. A truth, turned false, may be true again later. In fact, I have read that, some truths have a regular, seventeen year cycle. Any truth that can be seen or heard, in the flesh, is a warped perspective of the Real Truth." Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3617 From: Rick Audette Subject: Do-It_Yourself Guide Hi All, During the year or so before this list got started, I had been compiling my thoughts on the subject of Truth, God and Heaven into a book I call the Do-It-Yourself Guide To Heaven. The text file grew to about 64k and I could keep adding to it forever, but, with learning the Keys of knowledge and dealing with my personal affairs, I haven't been able to get back to adding more pages. I had never intended to offer the book for sale, but did want to make it available to others, in the hope of providing inspirations to some. So, tonight, I managed to link some excerpts of it to my home page. If anyone is interested in seeing them, the updated home page can be found at: http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ (at the bottom of each excerpt, there is the word HOME which is supposed to bring you back to the home page, but I need to fix it. Until then, just use your back button) Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3618 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: What is Truth? JJ asks: "Here's a question to get our minds in gear. Concerning truth there are two basic camps. One says that truth is absolute, the other says that truth is relative." "What is the truth of the matter here about truth itself? Is truth in the eye of the beholder, or does it exist independent of the beholder?" Great question JJ! :) While my first thought was that of course both kinds of truths exist, I then started thinking about the nature of an 'absolute' truth, what does it really mean? What had me questioning the immutable nature as we usually regard 'an absolute truth' having was the following reasoning: God is Truth and He is becoming what He decides to become, so Truth must also become something new as God makes new decisions about who or what He is. I certainly don't think God would limit Himself by choosing not to evolve, just like us humans do, created in His image :) It is said in the Bible that one day for God is like 1000 years for man. When viewed thru this perspective God's truth may seem quite fixed and absolute because for us the change seems to be so slow that we can hardly perceive it, but it is rather the very different time-relation between our realms that creates this illusion. Yes, truth exists independent of the beholder, but when the perceiver brings his sphere of consciousness into the game, relationship between 'truth' that may seem like a fixed origo in space telling the traveler where he is and where he can decide to go is created. However, the origo is no more fixed in the ever-changing space than the traveler or the whole party of souls on their paths are. It's all relative. While I agree that Love is the basis of everything, I need also understand what Love is to understand the magnitude of this statement of truth. So my perception and understanding is really what brings this statement alive for me. I believe the depth is endless, and even God is 'learning', gathering understanding of His previous decision, also thru our experiences, and will use it in His next Grand Decision after 'the 12' has gathered back to One, as said in the Immortal. God is absolute in the sense that everything exists within Him, but this doesn't mean that His Truth wouldn't be reaching new heights, just like His creation is. I am writing this very quickly at work so this may not come out exactly the way I was thinking but I hope this made some sense :) JJ, I hope you get rid of that flu soon! Much love, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3619 From: Marylin Subject: Re: What is Truth? JJ writes: "What is the truth of the matter here about truth itself? Is truth in the eye of the beholder, or does it exist independent of the beholder?" "If you believe in absolute truth give an example or two." "If you believe in relative truth give an example also." I have believed in absolute truth for years and years since the dinosaur days. After all, is it not a truth that "we exist"? Love and Light Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3620 From: Marylin Subject: Re: What is Truth? Rick writes: "Here's a quote from my journal, "The Do-It-Yourself Guide": "Heaven is Truth, with a capital "T", meaning the One, perfect and unchanging Truth. Any truth, short of the One Truth, can be said to be partial and variable. What is true, for me, may not be true to you. What is true today, may be false tomorrow. A truth, turned false, may be true again later. In fact, I have read that, some truths have a regular, seventeen year cycle. Any truth that can be seen or heard, in the flesh, is a warped perspective of the Real Truth." As long as we continue to think only in third dimensional/density terms, truth will be difficult to understand. I believe that if a "truth" can turn to "false", then it must not be absolute truth. Neither can "false" turn to "truth" except in this 3D environment. I guess this is where discernment comes in to help us with the gaining of "knowing". Just thought of another "absolute truth". We are here to "learn". Love and Light Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3621 From: Zia Subject: TRUTH To continue, absolute truth is not like telling the truth, or like the symbols we perceive in this reality of the truth in some form. The closest definition I could give of the absolute truth of God is the Principles or Keys it would seem that are contained within us, since we are created in God's image. These are unchangeable as absolute truths since we are already created containing them. Thus they would be absolute. The foundation to all life, here in heaven and in every kingdom, these principles must hold true. In all the creating that we do, these principles would be in operation, infallible and forever. They are not static limitations, but in a sense the foundation principle in creating the 'circle'. Many further forms come forth from the circle here, but behind the circle is an absolute truth, unchangeable and forever. ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3622 From: Paul Yu Subject: Re: The triadic and quaternary truth Hi everyone, Like everything else in manifestation truth is a triad and a quaternary. The triad being the core and the quaternary being the core manifested or manifestation of the core. As the core of all that can be known, truth is consisted of 1, 2 and 3. 1 being itself and related to nothing but itself is the absolute aspect of truth. 1 gives birth to 2 and 2 to 3. 2 means relation and as such is the relative aspect of truth. 3 being the outpouring of 1 by way of 2 is the creative aspect of the relative truth. When 3 moves downward or outward, so to speak, to form a diamond, a cross or a quaternary, the multi- level mutable aspect of the relative truth appears. The core truth or the universal triadic truth of 1, 2 and 3 by allowing itself to be duplicated through many levels, itself however remaining unchanged, becomes physically manifested. The characteristic of the quaternary truth as the clothing or sheath of the triadic truth is constant change from form to form. Whatever the labels one prefers to use on different types of truth the fact remains that there is the truth that does not change and there are the truths that change constantly to a greater or less extent depending on the level of universality in manifestation to which they are being referred to. There is the one truth and there are at the same time the many truths. The many truths are inseparable from the one truth. So much so that all truths are ultimately one truth, the holographic truth. We have access to that truth through our truthfulness in the conscious. Paul Yu SpiritualityABC SpiritualityESOTERIC http://onelist.com Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3623 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Re: Things to Come Just catching up this AM - bigtime AUMAN to that, brotha Rick! JJ, sounds like you had that Beijing flu that was down here a month or two ago. That was a flu like none other, but the bright side is stronger and more varied antibodies, right? Happy week, all... Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3624 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Re: What is Truth? I think the coupling of the words "relative" and "truth" is an oxymoron. Probably because I fall into the "truth is absolute" camp. Why? Well, I think that, for the most part, we as humans experience a relative kind of truth which is to say truth as experienced or perceived through our own personal filters which are colored by all past experiences. Now if there is a Being that has a component of its personality which is purely an observer, and this Being knows the truth and can watch all of us little humans scurrying around on our planet, then outside of our interpretations, like to an outside observer such as this Being, there is an absolute and incontrovertable truth. I don't know how to explain it in more clear terms but I feel it to be, well, the truth (and my truth is relative). I have NO idea if that made any sense at all, but there it is... Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3625 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Grateful to Glenys Zia writes: "I am grateful to Glenys that posted such an excellent article from WSWS giving us such a clearer picture of the world than what I seem to receive here in America. I just had not considered all the unrest and 'civil' wars actually going on right now in the world, in one big picture. It is astounding. Thank you." Oh, me too! I sent the article to a friend of mine with whom I hate to argue because this guy has a PhD (by the way, he interprets his degrees thusly: BS=Bulls***, MS = More s***, PhD = Piled High and Deep) and he was saying that he thought we were doing the right thing re: the ware. So I said, here. Read this, and sent him the article. I saw him Saturday morning, and his first words to me were "you might be right." And I was all, Huh? And he said "About the war." I clarified that it wasn't my article, just some "truth" being passed along. Interesting huh? Trace Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3626 From: (Richards, Gary) Subject: Digest No. 1999-03-29 of The Keys of Knowledge List Hi Folks, JJ said: "What is the truth of the matter here about truth itself? Is truth in the eye of the beholder, or does it exist independent of the beholder?" I like what Glenys said and I share much the same belief with one exception (loose end). It seems to me that there is one all pervading truth (maybe more than one) and then the truths that exist within our ring- pass-not. The all- pervading truths would include such things as "we exist" The ring-pass-not gives us our truths such as the truth of our limitations and those things that are "truths" to us as individuals. Such "truths" can be proven to ourselves over and over (are these really truths?, they appear to be). But if we are to believe that we are co-creators of our reality and all things are possible, then even the so called higher truths must then be looked at as possibly transient as we have (in truth) the ability to change anything, to create a whole new reality (heaven on earth) in which we may create a whole new set of higher truths. In other words we are an expression of God and God makes the rules, so God can change the rules. I hope this makes sense. Love and Light Gary Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3627 From: Jennifer Hampson Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-03-29 of The Keys of Knowledge List "Well it was one city rather than the entire country" Sorry Glenda, I've been told a million times not to exaggerate. (Must be something to do with having Sun conjunct Jupiter in Sagittarius!) "if the 'troubles' do start, I'm off to Jennifer's veggie patch." And you'd be most welcome. Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3628 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-03-29 of The Keys of Knowledge List Jennifer Hampson wrote: "Well it was one city rather than the entire country" "Sorry Glenda, I've been told a million times not to exaggerate. (Must be something to do with having Sun conjunct Jupiter in Sagittarius!)" Well, as one who has inherited the Irish penchant for hyberbole, I can hardly complain, can I? :-)) "if the 'troubles' do start, I'm off to Jennifer's veggie patch." "And you'd be most welcome. Jennifer" Thanks, Jennifer. But I've got to warn you, I can't go without my spuds :) Hey, Tracey, I'm so glad the email I fwd'ed to the list helped you with your friend. Even a PhD'er needs help to see outside the box, probably more so than others. Thanks for the feedback :) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed; second it is violently opposed; third it is accepted as self-evident. - Schopenhauer. Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-29/3629 From: Sharri Lorraine Subject: Invitation to Dream Peace! Dear Friends, This is an Invitation to Dream a New Dream of the Planet Earth. A New Dream of Peace & Harmony for ALL, with the Energies of the Full Moon on March 31st. In Honor of this Dream Party, Starfire Tor has Shared a Wonderful "Prayer To Save Planet Earth" with me to Share with You! I hope you will be able to Participate! Peace to ALL!!! & Happy Lucid Dreams!!!! {\@/} / \ * _\|/_ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Love & Light & Laughter Bubbles! :) :) Sharri Lorraine *~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~* Since Everything in Life is Perfect in BEing what It Is, having nothing to do with Good or Bad, Right or Wrong, Acceptance or Rejection, I may as well burst out Laughing! >:-( (:-* :-) :-D --- Long Chen Pa --- <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <> "Since I no longer think of reality as reality, what reason would I have to think of dreams as dreams?" ~~~ Japanese Master and Poet, Saigyo <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Love Relaxes, Releases, & Reflects Anything Unlike ItSelf. --Anonamous-- Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3630 From: Sharri Lorraine Subject: Starfire Prayer To Save Planet Earth Starfire Prayer To Save Planet Earth To help link, focus, and program the power prayer, I suggest using a candle and a crystal, at the very least, along with the words. The color vibrations for Earth Peace are 1. primary: pink, silver, gray, blue, black, white; 2. secondary: purple, yellow, brown, green, orange, gold, red. You can pick any or all colors from the primary group, and then add any or all colors from the secondary group. The crystal frequencies used are: 1.primary: rose quartz, amethyst, clear quartz; 2. secondary: gold, diamond, herkimer, pink tourmaline. You can pick any or all from the primary group and add the same from the secondary group. Where it says 'name of power prayer petitioner' that is where you say your name. Where it says 'name of power prayer spirit', that is where you say the energy that you associate with. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TO SAVE PLANET EARTH A Starfire Power Prayer I (name of power prayer petitioner) am a living soul and body of light requesting assistance from (name of power prayer spirit). I appeal to you and the power you possess to transform the course and destiny of my life. I appeal to those good and bright beings who have the power to change the course of events on Planet Earth. I ask your assistance in effecting a positive transformation that will bring about peace, harmony, healing, and truth on Planet Earth. I ask your assistance in this matter so that Planet Earth, and the life forces that inhabit Planet Earth, can be saved. I ask that you empower all living beings, creatures, and energies who live on Planet Earth or who influence Planet Earth to become enlightened, caring, wise, healing, and truthful. I ask that I become empowered to influence all living beings, creatures, and energies of Planet Earth that I encounter to become enlightened, caring, wise, healing, and truthful. I ask that you protect all of us on Planet Earth from those who would enslave and destroy us through ignorance, stupidity, lies, cruelty, greed, and whatever corrupts our ability to manifest peace, harmony, healing, and truth on Planet Earth. I (name of power prayer petitioner) request that (name of power prayer spirit) set forth upon a course of action now that will manifest this rightful deed respecting this rightful need. Thank you and bless you. Make it so. Starfire Tor Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3631 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: OT -The City of Regret LEAVING THE CITY OF REGRET (author unknown) I had not really planned on taking a trip this time of year, and yet I found myself packing rather hurriedly. This trip was going to be unpleasant and I knew in advance that no real good would come of it. I'm talking about my annual "Guilt Trip." I got tickets to fly there on "WISHIHAD" airlines. It was an extremely short flight. I got my baggage, which I could not check. I chose to carry it myself all the way. It was weighted down with a thousand memories of what might have been. No one greeted me as I entered the terminal to the Regret City International Airport. I say international because people from all over the world come to this dismal town. As I checked into the Last Resort Hotel, I noticed that they would be hosting the year's most important event, the Annual Pity Party. I wasn't going to miss that great social occasion. Many of the towns leading citizens would be there. First, there would be the Done family, you know, Should Have, Would Have and Could Have. Then came the I Had family. You probably know ol' Wish and his clan. Of course, the Opportunities would be present, Missed and Lost. The biggest family would be the Yesterday's. There are far too many of them to count, but each one would have a very sad story to share. Then Shattered Dreams would surely make an appearance. And It's Their Fault would regale us with stories (excuses) about how things had failed in his life, and each story would be loudly applauded by Don't Blame Me and I Couldn't Help It. Well, to make a long story short, I went to this depressing party knowing that there would be no real benefit in doing so. And, as usual, I became very depressed. But as I thought about all of the stories of failures brought back from the past, it occurred to me that all of this trip and subsequent "pity party" could be cancelled by ME! I started to truly realize that I did not have to be there. I didn't have to be depressed. One thing kept going through my mind, I CAN'T CHANGE YESTERDAY, BUT I DO HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE TODAY A WONDERFUL DAY. I can be happy, joyous, fulfilled, encouraged, as well as encouraging. Knowing this, I left the City of Regret immediately and left no forwarding address. Am I sorry for mistakes I've made in the past? YES! But there is no physical way to undo them. So, if you're planning a trip back to the City of Regret, please cancel all your reservations now. Instead, take a trip to a place called Starting Again. I liked it so much that I have now taken up permanent residence there. My neighbors, the I Forgive my selfs and the New Starts are so very helpful. By the way, you don't have to carry around heavy baggage, because the load is lifted from your shoulders upon arrival. God bless you in finding this great town. If you can find it -- it's in your own heart -- please look me up. I live on ICANDOIT street. Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3632 From: J J Dewey Subject: War Comments So far this war is a great demonstration of the War Principle that I mentioned a few days ago. The War Principle is this. We should go to war when an opposing nation invades the territories of another nation. We should not go to war to solve problems of internal strife in another nation, as we did in Vietnam, because we will rarely solve those problems. The best we can hope for is the establishment of a police state draining our resources to keep order and festering the hate of the native people. We have violated the war principle and look what has happened. The Serbs have been able to do little to retaliate against NATO so they are attacking in the best way they know how. They have told the Ethnic Albanians that we are trying to help that they must now leave or die. Soldiers are going from town to town looting, killing, raping and forcing them out. Now instead of a few hundred people at a time with problems we have about 200,000 people fleeing. The refugee rate is so great that some nations such as Yugoslavia are placing land minds on its border to blow up these poor people rather than let them in. NATO should now declare victory and go home. What is there left to fight for? The people we were trying to protect are now suffering their worst nightmare. If we had not waged war nothing worse would have happened and our fragile association with the Russians would not have been so wounded. It is interesting that Clinton wants to continue this war and bring some type of success to it so NATO will not lose credibility. What is more important? Credibility or human lives? There are few if any Albanians left to save in Kosovo. There is something more sinister at play here than a mere war. No it's not World War III. That's a slim possibility in the near future. Remember that I told you that it was the hope of the Dark Brothers to place Clinton in a corner like a caged lion through the impeachment process and force him to use the high polls as leverage to override the Congress if he was removed from office? Fortunately, it did not come to that. He was not removed and that piece was not able to be played. This war is another play by the Dark Ones to temp Clinton to override the Constitution. What they want to do is create a war situation with a crisis situation grave enough so Clinton can with some believability suspend the next election and stay in power. The Dark Ones believe that if Clinton can suspend the elections for one year then he will be able to hold on to the office for another twenty years and create a domino effect that can threaten the freedom of not only the United States but of every democratic nation in the world. If democracy in the world is pushed back far enough then the coming of Christ within this generation will not be able to take place, at least not in the way we hope for. This is a long shot plan for the Dark Ones, but still a real threat, and we should do our part in countering them by saying the Song and visualizing light and love and power descending on the democratic nations or the world giving them power to resist the darkness that is attempting to invade them. Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3633 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Truth is True The Question of the Day: Concerning truth there are two basic camps. One says that truth is absolute, the other says that truth is relative. What is the truth of the matter here about truth itself? Is truth in the eye of the beholder, or does it exist independent of the beholder? If you believe in absolute truth give an example or two. If you believe in relative truth give an example also. My answer on this will be quite controversial for some of you, but bear with me and I think most of us will see eye to eye in the end. If I only talked about things we all agree on like peace and love I wouldn't be doing much to stimulate your learning would I? First let me say that I agree with most of your comments from the context that you presented them. Basically, I am going to present another framework to you, but it will be an important framework because it will lead to a greater perception of truth in the end. What most of your comments refer to as relative truth is not relative truth at all, but relative perception of what seems to be true. Because our perception is relative does not mean that truth is relative. Consider this quote from A Course In Miracles: "For truth is true, and nothing else is true. There is no opposite to choose instead. There is no contradiction to the truth. Choosing depends on learning. And truth cannot be learned, but only recognized. In recognition its acceptance lies, and as it is accepted it is known." ACIM Workbook Page 257 Here is stated the great principle behind truth itself: "The truth is true and nothing else is true." Run this by your soul and see if it does not resonate. The truth of this has been demonstrated to me not only because of soul contact but because no one in my entire life has ever been able to give me a relative truth. Relative perceptions yes, but not relative truth. There is no such thing. Wait, says one, did not Glenys present an example of relative truth through her example of the three blind men and the elephant? I guess it's about time I picked on Glenys a bit - I think most of you have had your turn, but it's difficult to find anything to correct in her writings. She wrote: "One touching the leg says it's like a tree, the second one touching the side says it's like a wall, and the third touching the moving ear says it's like a fan. Each man is true in part but doesn't present the whole truth - that it's an elephant; it's more than the sum of its parts, just like truth. Relative truth doesn't endure, can change according to circumstances or new information and can fail when tested." Actually this parable was first given by the Buddha and was his favorite. It will be expanded in a future Immortal book. Actually Glenys would have been correct if she would have said "relative perception doesn't endure," for there is no such thing as relative truth. All truth is absolute. Am I saying then that the blind man's idea that the elephant's leg was like a tree is absolute truth? Not exactly but close. Let me state the principle of absolute truth and go from there. "At any point in time and space (the reality where we presently reside) there is a point of absolute truth that will never change. If we are to move from truth to truth and realization to realization we must recognize those points as we pass by them, else our perceptions become dull and truth seems to be relative." So what in the world is the absolute truth that the blind man feeling the leg of the elephant sees when he thinks he is feeling something like a tree? If he could see he would realize how wrong he was. Answer: If he could see he would not see that he was wrong. Instead he would see that he would have more power to find more truths about the elephant and many other things. At that point in time and space when he felt the leg of the elephant it was absolute truth that his sense of touch revealed that there were similarities between the way an elephants leg feels and the way the trunk of a tree feels. A million years in the future that point in time and space where that perception occurred will still be true. Two plus two equals four is absolutely true at this point in time and space and nothing else is true. There are trillions of illusionary answers but only one right one. Nothing else but four is correct. I am typing on my computer at this point in time and space and there is no other truth in the universe that will contradict this, either now or million years from now. Some say life is an illusion or a dream and nothing is real, nothing is true. Not so. Even in dreams there are points of truth. If I dream I am being chased by a monster then at that point in time and space it was absolute truth that I was having that dream experience. That experience will still exist in time and space a million years from now. I have more to write on this subject, but expect I have given you some food for discussion here. Feel free to disagree. If you still believe in relative truth in any degree then you should be able to give a definite example. There are billions of examples of absolute truth, but one example of relative truth would prove me wrong. Why do you suppose the understanding of this principle is so important? Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3634 From: scott paterson Subject: Re: [ The Truth is True] J J Dewey wrote: "The Question of the Day: Concerning truth there are two basic camps. One says that truth is absolute, the other says that truth is relative." "What is the truth of the matter here about truth itself? Is truth in the eye of the beholder, or does it exist independent of the beholder?" "If you believe in absolute truth give an example or two." "If you believe in relative truth give an example also." "My answer on this will be quite controversial for some of you, but bear with me and I think most of us will see eye to eye in the end." If I only talked about things we all agree on like peace and love I wouldn't be doing much to stimulate your learning would I? JJ, as the new kid, I would like to add my two bits.... relative truth exists conditionally, circumstantially, in that in the in it limitations it catches a glimpse of the infinite...Because it is reflecting a greater state it is relatively true...I is not I believe a contradiction!!! In regards to absolute truth, it is the wedding of the infinite with the finite, and the relationship that the infinite cannot be definited except in contrast to the finite...spirit is not seen, but it is defined in matter as nothingness...in reality you cant have something without nothing, and nothing without something... each defines the other, that relationship, and the preexistent intelligence behind it, is God or the Father, or the preexistent intelligence or the absolute truth....IN THE BEGINNING, THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD... The definition of THE WORD thhe contrast between something and nothing... THE WORD, or definition, and the intel-ligence behind it is the CREATOR GOD, the big Guy with the big G... Anyhow, that's my two bits from a newbie...thanks for all the emails and hello all... scopat (Scott P) Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3635 From: David Curtis Subject: Re: The Truth is True JJ writes: "Why do you suppose the understanding of this principle is so important?" Isn't that what most of us are spending so much time searching for? I've been searching for the truth (absolute) for a long time. In order for us to discover this truth that we have been searching for so long to find, we must first understand principle of truth. Hmm... I've been searching for truth for so long, I didn't stop to think I might be missing a step. Peace and Love Dave Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3636 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Truth Hi All... How interesting that this morning's San Jose Mercury News has an article entitled "To Tell The Truth?" in the Silicon Valley Life section. It addresses the "little" lies we tell our children and the impact it may or may not have (of course, the so-called experts are divided on the effects lies have on kids). Timely, no? As for why it is important to understand this principle, JJ, I'd have to say it is so that we are clear about the difference between absolute truth and our perceptions. By the way, I found nothing in your last post, JJ, that I felt to be controversial. And I always like being reminded of Course in Miracles quotes. In the SJ Merc article, just in case anyone's interested, a pediatrics professor from Yale is mentioned. Her name is Diane M. Komp and she wrote a book entitled "Anatomy of a Lie: The Truth About Lies and Why Good People Tell Them." Catchy title anyway...looking forward, as usual, to everyone else's posts. Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3637 From: Rick Audette Subject: The Truth is True "Am I saying then that the blind man's idea that the elephant's leg was like a tree is absolute truth? Not exactly but close........" But isn't that the definition of relative, anyway? It seems to be just a matter of semantics. The fact that I am sitting here typing, in reality, is an illusion, is it not? That is why I differentiate Truth, with a "big T" from truth with a "small t". The first is the ultimate, unchangeable Truth, whereas truth varies from person to person and as such is relative. Like good and evil truth is different for each. If you are about to begin a football game, it is only true, for one team, that heads is the good side of the coin. In the 60's it was absolutely true, for some, that drugs led one towards the Truth, but for others, they led to addiction and death. So, it seems, we could all agree that every truth can be absolutely true, but only One Truth is absolutely True. Yours, TRULY, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3638 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: The Truth is True J J Dewey wrote: "Here is stated the great principle behind truth itself: "The truth is true and nothing else is true." Run this by your soul and see if it does not resonate." Yes, it does resonate as being correct. "I guess it's about time I picked on Glenys a bit -" Feel free, JJ. In fact, I'm surprised I've lasted this long :-))))) "Actually Glenys would have been correct if she would have said "relative perception doesn't endure," for there is no such thing as relative truth. All truth is absolute." I have to agree with that. "Not exactly but close. Let me state the principle of absolute truth and go from there. "At any point in time and space (the reality where we presently reside) there is a point of absolute truth that will never change. If we are to move from truth to truth and realization to realization we must recognize those points as we pass by them, else our perceptions become dull and truth seems to be relative." So are you saying that while truth is absolute, the realization of it changes as we grow. So that while truth doesn't change, our knowledge and experience of it does? I know there have been times in my life when I've thought I've discovered the truth, only to find a greater truth as I grow. The 'lesser' truth wasn't proved wrong, it was just not as complete a truth as the greater truth. Or can the absolute truth change, as in the blind man's experience of the leg/tree. You are saying that his belief that the leg was like a tree is truth but that that truth can expand as his knowledge increases. This would please those on the list who were concerned about an absolute truth being static. A truth that grows as we do is a living truth; it is Becoming. "So what in the world is the absolute truth that the blind man feeling the leg of the elephant sees when he thinks he is feeling something like a tree? If he could see he would realize how wrong he was." "Answer: If he could see he would not see that he was wrong. Instead he would see that he would have more power to find more truths about the elephant and many other things. At that point in time and space when he felt the leg of the elephant it was absolute truth that his sense of touch revealed that there were similarities between the way an elephants leg feels and the way the trunk of a tree feels. A million years in the future that point in time and space where that perception occurred will still be true." I guess things would be different if, because of his belief about the leg feeling like a tree, he actually declared it to be a tree. That would clearly be incorrect. So does that mean we can be presented with an absolute truth (the leg is like a tree) and erroneously use that truth to draw out the wrong conclusion (the leg IS a tree) "If you still believe in relative truth in any degree then you should be able to give a definite example. There are billions of examples of absolute truth, but one example of relative truth would prove me wrong." Using your context, it is impossible. But if perception is relative, what is it relative to? I suppose I should know this but it's 6am Coffee......where's that coffee! I'm in great need of it right now - and that's the absolute truth :-))) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "What I'm trying to do is to promote a process of reorganization of the world." - President Clinton, interview with Argentine reporters, October 17, 1997. Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3639 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: The Truth is True "Let me state the principle of absolute truth and go from there. "At any point in time and space (the reality where we presently reside) there is a point of absolute truth that will never change. If we are to move from truth to truth and realization to realization we must recognize those points as we pass by them, else our perceptions become dull and truth seems to be relative." I forgot to say that this section of JJ's writings reminded me of this quote from Hamlet: If circumstances lead me, I will find Where truth is hid, though it were hid indeed Within the Centre. Hamlet. Act II, Scene 2. Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3640 From: Zia Subject: Experiencing Truth Greetings all and thank you JJ for your information. I wish to share a brief experience of seeing the truth of revelations in this list. I have been studying the archives, and noted the teachings on 'signs' and on 'the beast'. Very inspiring. I have recently set up two businesses from home. I love both of them and their benefits to all. One I will probably make 'bread and butter' income, the other has the potential for great income. The other night I was in a conference call link up to be part of training in the 'big' income earning business venture. After about two minutes with everyone on the line and just starting the information, two power spikes hit our home, the first one not quite disconnecting the call, the second one certainly did. My portable phone started ssshhhhhhing and my computer lost it completely, and well the call was gone with no way of linking back in. In fact the person connecting the call did not realise until the end that I was not still on the line. (No storms, no car accidents or any subsequent prolonged power failure to fix downed lines etc). I accept I am the creator of my reality, and do not believe in coincidences as such. So I felt this was my creation and in a sense a 'sign' to me, perhaps of something I was not aware of, paying attention, or ignoring. That night in reflection, I felt fear that perhaps I was doing the wrong thing by being a part of this company. I asked for guidance from within. Well it finally came. I considered the beast and its method of operation. What I saw was it plays heavily on our own fears, thus stopping us in our tracks of being successful or what we truly desire. My fear was that I did not desire to do anything wrong in the eyes of God, and for some of us making money has been a great judgment of doing wrong. What I realised was, that when I felt fear from a sign, I would usually not go ahead with it. What I had not understood in the past was that my own fear could be used against me by the beast. And thus it would be my own choice not to go ahead perhaps because of the fearful sign. I realised that signs that brought me joy were God pointing me in the direction I truly wanted to go, a confirmation of sorts. So would God give me a fearful sign? I realised no, only the beast would play upon my fear, not God. I also realised from past experience if I were facing a fearful situation, God would show me an alternative. Earning money would give me a great freedom to put more time into what I truly desire to do, learn, grow, experience, share, teach, evolve, travel, all the wonderful adventures of being here, until I can do them all like 'St. John'. I have so understood how our simple fears can be used against us to keep us powerless, and we are non the wiser. Since this simple insight I have found a great power within myself from realising how important it is to recognise 'the beast' in operation. In thinking deeply about Kosovo, I feel so strongly this is at the root of 'cultural' wars. Peoples fears/desires just being played upon to fan the fires of conflict. Thank you JJ and all of you, for your thoughts I was able to study, and then see the truth of within my own life experience. It truly is seeing the illusion, the glamour and the maya, that will set us free to go beyond it. Then in the application of the principles of creation, I will be unlimited and free. ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3641 From: Zia Subject: Experiencing Truth Editor's note: Duplicate post of 3640 Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3642 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: The Truth is True "So what in the world is the absolute truth that the blind man feeling the leg of the elephant sees when he thinks he is feeling something like a tree? If he could see he would realize how wrong he was." "Answer: If he could see he would not see that he was wrong. Instead he would see that he would have more power to find more truths about the elephant and many other things. At that point in time and space when he felt the leg of the elephant it was absolute truth that his sense of touch revealed that there were similarities between the way an elephants leg feels and the way the trunk of a tree feels. A million years in the future that point in time and space where that perception occurred will still be true." Mmmm I think I understand it yes :) Just a few quick late night thoughts here before hopping into bed and absolutely dreaming and snoring :D So, reflecting upon what JJ writes above, it seems that the big mistake in search for truth one can do is to start thinking of a perception as being absolute, meaning that it would be The Way in seeing a truth. It would be like saying there's only one way to Rome :) Ok, got a thought. Let's replace the elephant in the above example with God. God is Truth, right? Universe can be thought of as God's body. As we observe the world around us, our universe, each one of us perceives it differently. Still it is the same truth we are perceiving, but the different body parts of this universe may look and feel totally different from each other. The mistake would be in saying that our view is The One Truth. The further you travel inside this universe, the more you know about Its Truth. Besides, the truth (in this case universe) is also expanding, gaining more depth and variability all the time. So, the ways in which we are able to relatively perceive truth inside the expanding limitless universe will always be unlimited, because of the infinite nature of Divine mind :) "Why do you suppose the understanding of this principle is so important?" I think it clearly shows that there are many paths leading to One, and they aren't exclusive. Even perceptions that may seem totally opposite can be depicting the same idea, from a different perspective. Furthermore, all these perceptions combined create a full whole. Very much looking forward to reading what you all are gonna write, g'nite! :D Samu Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3643 From: Zia Subject: The Truth is True Greetings to all, I am ashamed to report I did not respond with the Truth is true and nothing else is true for it was my reply to myself. However after reading various people's reactions to outside 'belief' systems or religions etc, I left my response out so as not to offend instead. Great lesson. What I observe with the elephant, is only a perception through the five senses. The Absolute Truth of the elephant is not in what we perceive. The Truth of myself is not in what you 'perceive' of me. The Truth here always seems to be 'unseen', not of the senses. Glenys, you are so inspiring. If truth is absolute and I agree absolutely, then what is the absolute truth of the elephant, and of myself, and of everything that is here? The 'space suit' called the elephant's body or my body, is not the truth of who and what I am. That is unseen. It must then be true of everything here, to be an absolute truth. We are exploring through the body's senses, when we can discover the truth through a principle called intuition. It is not all the 'things' that are the truth to me, but the representation of the truth, which might be the Truth of Life, or better put the Principle of Life. I understand that everything here is but a symbol, and contained unseen in that symbol is the truth. To be absolute it must be the same for all symbols. Why is it important to understand JJ...so I am not distracted by the illusion, but rather seeking that truth, and its applicability in all things, and standing for that truth no matter what. Then the principle stands and is useable without distraction. I was distracted by the illusion of people's reactions etc. in not giving the answer I so knew to be true. Thank you, ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3644 From: Zia Subject: The Truth is True Greetings to all, and thank you Glenys for your inspiring comments. Let me state the principle of absolute truth and go from there. "At any point in time and space (the reality where we presently reside) there is a point of absolute truth that will never change. If we are to move from truth to truth and realization to realization we must recognize those points as we pass by them, else our perceptions become dull and truth seems to be relative." Wow, principle of absolute truth. Principle of intuition. So many thoughts I seem to take for granted are principles. So I use my perceptions of my body senses to inspire me to use my intuition to 'see' the absolute truth, which is revealed to me by only what is real, my spirit/soul. Because it is of spirit/soul its revelation must be the same absolute truth to all, rather than the variables of perception. 'Your reality is only spirit' ACIM and therefore when I perceive this world I do not see the truth, as the truth is the unseen spirit. To ask spirit/soul what is the truth of the tree, what is the truth of the elephant, or the truth of the leg, must reveal to me the spirit's truth, not my physical 'sensory' and therefore relative, perceptions. The body senses give me input to connect me with spirit/soul. ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-30/3645 From: Zia Subject: Truth is True To continue: JJ says: "Some say life is an illusion or a dream and nothing is real, nothing is true. Not so. Even in dreams there are points of truth. If I dream I am being chased by a monster then at that point in time and space it was absolute truth that I was having that dream experience. That experience will still exist in time and space a million years from now." My response: How can something like a dream that is not real, have any absolute truth? Points of truth, are these absolute truths, or pointers to truth, again something to inspire us and look within for the truth from what is real, that is spirit? "How come this dream is not just a perception?" "Why do you suppose the understanding of this principle is so important?" Because to distinguish between reality and illusion, is to also be able to distinguish between perception and truth. ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3646 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: War Comments J J Dewey wrote: "NATO should now declare victory and go home. What is there left to fight for? The people we were trying to protect are now suffering their worst nightmare. If we had not waged war nothing worse would have happened and our fragile association with the Russians would not have been so wounded." "It is interesting that Clinton wants to continue this war and bring some type of success to it so NATO will not lose credibility. What is more important? Credibility or human lives? There are few if any Albanians left to save in Kosovo." The trouble with this scenario is that Clinton does NOT care about the people he professes to care for and wants to "save". This is not the reason he entered into this most inadvisable "war". This thing is a so-called NATO endeavor but I notice that it's the Americans who are furnishing the bulk of the weaponry such as the missiles that are at an all time low due to the various bombings that Clinton has used them on the last couple of years. I don't believe that NATO actually has many of these missiles. "There is something more sinister at play here than a mere war. No it's not World War III. That's a slim possibility in the near future." This slim possibility is the best news I've heard in a long time. "Remember that I told you that it was the hope of the Dark Brothers to place Clinton in a corner like a caged lion through the impeachment process and force him to use the high polls as leverage to override the Congress if he was removed from office? Fortunately, it did not come to that. He was not removed and that piece was not able to be played." "This war is another play by the Dark Ones to temp Clinton to override the Constitution. What they want to do is create a war situation with a crisis situation grave enough so Clinton can with some believability suspend the next election and stay in power. The Dark Ones believe that if Clinton can suspend the elections for one year then he will be able to hold on to the office for another twenty years and create a domino effect that can threaten the freedom of not only the United States but of every democratic nation in the world." Should this scenario take place I would not want to be in Clinton's shoes because I don't think he'd be long for this world. There would be a lot of very unhappy people. "If democracy in the world is pushed back far enough then the coming of Christ within this generation will not be able to take place, at least not in the way we hope for." This is the worst news I have heard of in a long time. ::::SIGH:::: "This is a long shot plan for the Dark Ones, but still a real threat, and we should do our part in countering them by saying the Song and visualizing light and love and power descending on the democratic nations or the world giving them power to resist the darkness that is attempting to invade them. D0NE! Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3647 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Eternal Now of Truths Thanks to Zia for her inspiring post. I hope it motivates new members to read the archives. I believe it was her who asked about the Intuitive Principle. The intuitive Principle is not just a statement that the intuition is based on a principle. That is nothing new. Instead the Intuitive Principle is this method of teaching that was demonstrated in the Immortal Book and through the discussion group. You are asked a question that forces you to search all you know plus the intuition to find the answer. This method of teaching is called the Intuitive Principle, a principle method of teaching used by the Masters who have overcome death. Concerning truth again, if we are to find the truth, teach the truth and apply the truth then it is of extreme importance that we understand what the truth is and whether or not it is relative or absolute or shifts around like a moving target. If we as a group cannot generally see together the essence of this thing called truth then all the truths that are presented become nebulous and just beautiful theory of no practical consequence. Rick is right about the problem being largely that of semantics. It is important for communication's sake in this reality that we define our terms precisely so we can all speak the same language. This is a major step in the resolution of many disagreements. One of the current problems I see is in the use of the term "absolute truth." Some seem to believe that this seem to apply to some great truth beyond the physical reality or maybe some one great truth centered around the One God. I can see what you are saying but I think you are using the wrong word. I think the word you are looking for is "ultimate" as in "ultimate truth." All truth is absolute, but only one truth could be the ultimate. My dictionary says the word absolute means: "Not limited by restrictions or exceptions; unconditional." Therefore 2+2=4 is an absolute truth. There are no exceptions. Every time you add 2+2 you get 4. Restrictions do not alter it, neither do conditions. As I was typing at the computer yesterday I told you that event would be true forever at that point in time and space. It is still absolutely true today that I was typing that article on the computer yesterday. It will always be true. Some of you are rolling your eyes, I can sense it. Let me try and paint a picture that makes the point a little clearer. Visualize a painting with infinite pictures. You look up, down, left and right and can see no end to the images. This infinite mural represents time and space. Now you are curious about how the painting is created so you use some Star Trek device that magnifies it. The beautiful images become larger and larger until you can no longer recognize them and you get to the pixel level something like exists on bit map computer art work. The difference here is that the pixels are not uniform squares but each one is a different shape and image in its own right. Each of these individualized pixels are a point in time and space, a part of the Eternal Now. When in the Eternal Now these pixels are stationary and eternal and ever present, but when present in time and space consciousness can only see one pixel at a time as if they are passing never to be seen again. In time and space the pixels seem transient and have nothing to do with the great event called absolute truth, but in the Eternal Now no pixel is ever lost and is ever present to be retrieved by the mere power of thought. What are some of these pixels? I just mentioned one. It was me typing at the computer last night. The pixel of that true event may seem to be gone, but it is not. It still exists in the great painting called the Eternal Now. Now I can deny that I was at the computer last night. I could say I was having a wild party over at my friend Wayne's place. I could make up a million different stories, but out of the million things I could make up only one thing agrees with the pixel in the great painting in the Eternal Now. This truth is absolutely true and nothing else is true. I was typing at the computer. This truth and all other truths and pixels are not relative to anything else. All truth stands by itself. You can, however, stand back and see dozens, hundreds, and thousands of pixels as they naturally are gathered together and view a larger picture that brings a larger absolute truth to your consciousness. This does not mean that truth is relative. Instead you have adjusted or enlarged your perception of it and are thus able to see the bigger picture. The tiny pixels of truth are not changed because you now see the bigger truth or picture. The tiny pixels have to be seen correctly, and without illusion or deception, before the bigger picture can be viewed. If we are deceived about the pixels we will be deceived about the picture of truth they create. Now let's take Rick's examples and analyze them. I guess if I can pick on Glenys, I can pick on Rick, I'm sure he'll take it in the right spirit. "Like good and evil, truth is different for each." It may seem that way, but instead it is the perception of truth that is different. "If you are about to begin a football game, it is only true, for one team, that heads is the good side of the coin." If the Cowboys win the coin toss with heads then it is true for the whole universe and for all time that the cowboys had good fortune in this pixel. "In the 60's it was absolutely true, for some, that drugs led one towards the Truth, but for others, they led to addiction and death." These are two absolute statements of truth not relative to each other and do not contradict each other. It is also an absolute truth that some people can be killed by penicillin and another absolute truth that others can be cured with it. Question: Many people say I have my truth and you have yours. Can this be a true statement if one truth opposes another truth? Why are we so inclined to make this statement? If this statement is incorrect how would you rephrase it to more accurately portray what the speaker really means? JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3648 From: Jennifer Hampson Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-03-31 of The Keys of Knowledge List Hi! I think I see there is only absolute truth and relative perceptions of the truth. One cannot be relatively pregnant, for example. Absolute truth cannot be divided up, it is contained in all the relative perceptions of truth. It is of the Soul and so is One. It seems important to discern truth because it provides a solid foundation and direction for who we are and what we do. In fact, perhaps one could call principles (as discussed in earlier postings), truth. Truth underlies all principles which underlie all facts, which are demonstrations of it. Love, Jennifer By the way, Zia, your comments on the Beast using our fears against us shone a light on a situation involving a large sum of money that I currently face. Thanks. Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3649 From: xavier Subject: Re: The Eternal Now of Truths J J Dewey writes: "When in the Eternal Now these pixels are stationary and eternal and ever present, but when present in time and space consciousness can only see one pixel at a time as if they are passing never to be seen again." neat, thanks;) "In time and space the pixels seem transient and have nothing to do with the great event called absolute truth, but in the Eternal Now no pixel is ever lost and is ever present to be retrieved by the mere power of thought." :):) was wondering about that eternal now concept since i read about it in F. Bardon:) "I could say I was having a wild party over at my friend Wayne's place." So Wayne's real:) I loved his reaction to Brother Philo, and send him my best consideration:) I just laughed out loud when I read how he answered to his claim to be called "brother":) BTW your definition of truth reminds me of Ramtha's (in more complete, and better explained) "everything is true, only there are truths that are more limited than others". "Question: Many people say I have my truth and you have yours. Can this be a true statement if one truth opposes another truth? Why are we so inclined to make this statement? If this statement is incorrect how would you rephrase it to more accurately portray what the speaker really means? JJ" okay let get out of my cave to answer that one:) Let's say that it is never a truth that opposes another one, but a perception of them. That our vision someway blurs on the pixels, and we are deluded to "see" that some truth is larger than we think. We are so inclined to this because of our delusions:) Ego-driven delusions. Separativeness, etc..? Also, the limitation of our vision, makes us blind people in terms of truth. Do we take perceptions for truth? Ideas for truth? My question is: where and what is truth? With what apparatus do we perceive it rightly? If it's neither of the three bodies, how does it happen? the speaker would mean "for what i perceive of truth" instead of "for what is truth" or he would rephrase "that limited truth i consider" instead of "that ultimate one" or "that obsolute (unconditionnal) but limited" instead of "that ultimate and unlimited" Heya people, I'm in my belly, having troubles to read your high messages, but guessing it's a cleaning that will lead me to harmonize my ego and be more receptive later.:) see you:) Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3650 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Re: The Eternal Now of Truths JJ asks: "Many people say I have my truth and you have yours. Can this be a true statement if one truth opposes another truth? Why are we so inclined to make this statement? If this statement is incorrect how would you rephrase it to more accurately portray what the speaker really means?" Instead of "this is my truth," how about this is my reality, or this is what is real for me. Or this is a fact of my life (implying, perhaps it is not a fact in your life, but it is in mine). I don't think the above is a true statement, but it certainly is a popular form of expression. I've even said it. This is my truth. But I do think saying "this is what is real for me" is a more accurate statement. Speaking of wild parties at Wayne's, JJ, (you brought him up) do you two still meet regularly? Does he read this list? Just curious (as always!). Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3651 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: The Eternal Now of Truths "Now let's take Rick's examples and analyze them. I guess if I can pick on Glenys, I can pick on Rick, I'm sure he'll take it in the right spirit." I don't mind being set as an example. In fact, it was my intent to add to the discussion in that manner. Actually, I can see the Truth, as a brilliant sun, shining through a sky dotted with the clouds of individual and collective illusions of what the Truth is. Each time I read what JJ and the others had to say, the sun would break through, for a moment, and then another cloud would pass in front. By asking more questions and giving examples, I feel I have helped clear the air, at least for myself. I hope that the forecast has likewise improved for all my brothers and sisters, 'cause it's a beautiful day, once the sky clears And all at once, I am transported, To a beautiful place, Where the Sun always shines, And I always like the weather. It's been there a long time. It's the only place, That lasts forever Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3652 From: Zia Subject: Re: The Eternal Now of Truths Okay JJ you have really got my attention on this one. I found that all of my understanding is challenged and I accept the challenge and put forward my understanding with an open mind desirous of absolute truth. Is this your 'ultimate' truth? "The intuitive Principle is not just a statement that the intuition is based on a principle. That is nothing new. Instead the Intuitive Principle is this method of teaching that was demonstrated in the Immortal Book and through the discussion group. You are asked a question that forces you to search all you know plus the intuition to find the answer. This method of teaching is called the Intuitive Principle, a principle method of teaching used by the Masters who have overcome death." We each use it ourselves as well when we ask 'who am I' etc, or ask within ourself any question desiring to understand. It seems natural to me and I did not realise I was using a principle. "Concerning truth again, if we are to find the truth, teach the truth and apply the truth then it is of extreme importance that we understand what the truth is and whether or not it is relative or absolute or shifts around like a moving target. If we as a group cannot generally see together the essence of this thing called truth then all the truths that are presented become nebulous and just beautiful theory of no practical consequence." JJ I have watched this happen in so many groups, splendid groups with profound teachings, and the teachings then do not get applied in the individual's life and just remain a beautiful theory. "One of the current problems I see is in the use of the term "absolute truth." Some seem to believe that this seem to apply to some great truth beyond the physical reality or maybe some one great truth centered around the One God." The existence of God is an absolute truth, yet to define that truth seems to be in perception an absolute difficulty to define!! lol. Even a direct revelation in God is inexplicable/inexplainable. This does not mean though that God is anything but absolute truth. One definition of 'ultimate' is 'incapable of further analysis, division, or separation.' Therein lies the key. Absolute truth does not come from analysis which is separate to the thing being defined, it comes from direct experience of it, 'KNOWING' it by being it. An ultimate truth to me is the ultimate 'perception' of a thing, whereas absolute truth is 'knowing' the thing through direct experience. We may then go about 'proving' our knowing in this reality, making it a reality here. "All truth is absolute, but only one truth could be the ultimate." I understand this to be exactly the other way around. "My dictionary says the word absolute means: "Not limited by restrictions or exceptions; unconditional." I agree wholeheartedly, it is not conditional to perception!!! "Therefore 2+2=4 is an absolute truth. There are no exceptions. Every time you add 2+2 you get 4. Restrictions do not alter it, neither do conditions." This is conditional. 2 + 2 is not always 4. Otherwise how could all of us be 1? 2 + 2 = 1. Any number + any number = 1. 2 + 2 is mathematically correct, and exists in separation, that is time/space. Again it is perception in separation. Our laws are conditional to time and space and are relative. "As I was typing at the computer yesterday I told you that event would be true forever at that point in time and space. It is still absolutely true today that I was typing that article on the computer yesterday. It will always be true." This is your (later) picture on the wall, and its canvas is time and space. You have painted the picture of you at your computer, and it will not necessarily forever be there in time and space, for you could become it again by returning to it, and change it. But that picture of an activity is not the you that created or chose to experience it. In fact because it is a picture on the fabric of time, it can be changed. "Some of you are rolling your eyes, I can sense it." I really laughed here, you must have been standing with us JJ for I was reading out loud to my husband and right before this sentence we looked at each other and rolled our eyes, and said wait a minute. Thank you for being so present with us. "Let me try and paint a picture that makes the point a little clearer. Visualize a painting with infinite pictures. You look up, down, left and right and can see no end to the images. This infinite mural represents time and space." Time and space is a painting, how brilliant to see it that way. The color of our thoughts and desires, oh how beautiful. Yet the thought comes first. The thought is changeable. The event is changeable. We throw out the thought onto the canvas of time, we know events are changeble that is why the future is so unpredictable. And Past and Future are both the same, changeable. "Now you are curious about how the painting is created so you use some Star Trek device that magnifies it. The beautiful images become larger and larger until you can no longer recognize them and you get to the pixel level something like exists on bit map computer art work. The difference here is that the pixels are not uniform squares but each one is a different shape and image in its own right. Each of these individualized pixels are a point in time and space, a part of the Eternal Now. When in the Eternal Now these pixels are stationary and eternal and ever present, but when present in time and space consciousness can only see one pixel at a time as if they are passing never to be seen again." "In time and space the pixels seem transient and have nothing to do with the great event called absolute truth, but in the Eternal Now no pixel is ever lost and is ever present to be retrieved by the mere power of thought." When we focus the thought of peace on Kosovo we are changing the picture of the future, these thoughts are changeable. The Philadelphia experiment changed the past and the future. Is my understanding that absolute truth is not changeable incorrect? It could not be otherwise it would be reduced as is all perceptions etc here. "What are some of these pixels? I just mentioned one. It was me typing at the computer last night. The pixel of that true event may seem to be gone, but it is not. It still exists in the great painting called the Eternal Now. Now I can deny that I was at the computer last night. I could say I was having a wild party over at my friend Wayne's place. I could make up a million different stories, but out of the million things I could make up only one thing agrees with the pixel in the great painting in the Eternal Now. This truth is absolutely true and nothing else is true. I was typing at the computer. This truth and all other truths and pixels are not relative to anything else. All truth stands by itself." But could you not go back and change this? When you went into your car to go see John, in the book, does your body have the moemory of staying in the car, did you physically go to Tel Aviv, or was it a different body, so that there is more than one memory in that space and time, or possibly was the Tel Aviv completely outside of space and time as we know it? (Forgive me I did not read book 2 and this may have been covered.) "Question: Many people say I have my truth and you have yours. Can this be a true statement if one truth opposes another truth? Why are we so inclined to make this statement? If this statement is incorrect how would you rephrase it to more accurately portray what the speaker really means? JJ" Many people say I have my perception and you have yours. In this space time reality we perceive through a body. We make this statement because we identify with our bodies. When Jesus spoke he never identified with his body, this time/space reality, but rather with 'he that hath sent him' the creator of his presence here, and the kingdom of heaven. He came to fulfill a prophecy, the thought creation of spirit's time on earth in a specific scenario. The creator of the picture of time, and the picture on a point in time, and the experience of that point in time....hmmmmmm I am not just a point in time, nor am I a picture, I am the creator of the picture on the canvas of time, and I can create or uncreate...my creation. Is the picture of time just one picture, and if so what are the other pictures? ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3653 From: stress Subject: Re: War Comments Hiya :) "If democracy in the world is pushed back far enough then the coming of Christ within this generation will not be able to take place, at least not in the way we hope for. This is the worst news I have heard of in a long time. ::::SIGH::::" Actually... Jesus said that one of the signs of his coming was that "There will be wars and rumours of wars".... That a war breaks out does not necessarily mean that Jesus will call off his visit. Think about it... It would actually be best for Jesus to return to Earth when the need for him is the greatest.... If we're all peaceful and fun-loving, then what use is it for him to come - His job would be redundant. "This is a long shot plan for the Dark Ones, but still a real threat, and we should do our part in countering them by saying the Song and visualizing light and love and power descending on the democratic nations or the world giving them power to resist the darkness that is attempting to invade them. D0NE!" Am pondering that one....Of course I send love and light to the people of the world... But what use is it my giving them power to resist the dark forces? What happens when that power runs out? Will I have to keep sending that power ad infinitum. The problem is that the nations must find the power to resist the "darkness" within themselves as a nation and the individual inhabitants... If that power is given to them, what good is it? Would they then rely on power outside themselves to repel the dark forces? That obviously would be not a good thing. We can help, but we must not give... God I wish there was a way to stop all this overnight and live in an instant love-and-light civilization...but that is just a tad unrealistic. Rest assured that the dark ones will not be allowed to take control. However, I am afraid that humanity may still have a few painful lessons to learn. Still, those lessons will be rich in experience. They may well be recognised in the future as a "defining moment" in our history. (Let's face it, what good is having an enlightened civilization if it has no power that it can say it obtained itself? I know that if I was all-powerful, but all that power was given to me instead of me having to earn it, I would feel powerful but somewhat empty. ) My infinite love to you I AM ETERNALLY WITH YOU IN THE *LIGHT* Azarus Ankh'aa / Joel Cocks Post No. keys-l: /1999-03-31/3654 From: Zia Subject: Absolute Truth To continue, 'absolute truth' of JJ being at the computer typing at a point in time, as my body is doing right now. What determines the point in space time, the physical body picture, JJ typing, or where his consciousness is at that time? I feel certain my consciousness as I consider these questions, is elsewhere, another realm, dimension, reality, level, wherever, just not always at the position of my body, and it sometimes seems my body blinks off, hence the typos that occur to bring me back to my body position. It looks like JJ is typing... it looks like Jesus is just like any other man... but where is his consciousness from? The absolute truth is not in what we see with physical eyes in a physical dimension, absolute truth must be: "Not limited by restrictions or exceptions; unconditional." in other words not conditional to the level we are on or viewing from. That must be relative, and hence Einsteins theory of relativity. Is this theory but a relative truth? Absolute truth to me is the foundation from which all of life came forth, its laws or truths must be absolute for life to exist, at any level. That absolute truth/s applied in my life bring forth creation of life. God has promised eternal life, there are many references in the bible, eg Mark 10:17 Luke 10:25 and 18:18 'what must I do to inherit eternal life' and so many more. Is not eternal life an absolute truth? irrespective of where it is? The picture of sitting typing at one point in the canvas of time, does not ensure 'eternal life', and of itself does not provide that absolute truth. God is, is an absolute truth. Eternal life, is an absolute truth. Having been created in God's image, is an absolute truth. The eternal now does not look like time. JJ "In time and space the pixels seem transient and have nothing to do with the great event called absolute truth, but in the Eternal Now no pixel is Ever lost and is ever present to be retrieved by the mere power of thought." It would seem the absolute truth then can only be gained in the eternal now, where everything exists and is viewable as the whole picture. Absolute truth must encompass the whole picture. It is the foundation of the whole picture, the unseen of the whole picture. That's it. ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3655 From: J J Dewey Subject: Two Types of Truth Here's another interesting quote from A Course in Miracles: "Salvation is the recognition that truth is true, and nothing else is true. This you have heard before, but you may not accept both parts of it. Without the first, the second has no meaning. But without the second, is the first no longer true. Truth cannot have an opposite. This cannot be too often said and thought about. For if what is not true is true as well as what is true, then part of truth is false. And truth has lost its meaning. Nothing but the truth is true, and what is false is false." ACIM Workbook Page 274 "Truth must be true throughout, if it be true. It cannot contradict itself, nor be in parts uncertain and in others sure." ACIM Workbook Page 287 Some people reflect upon truth and see truth as something that must be a big thing and absolute truth as a concept of momentous proportions, but such is not the case. Truth is just true whether it be the fact that a fly lands on your nose or that someday the whole earth will be burned with fire. If a giant true event happens it is true and if a small event happens it is equally true. Because one happening is more momentous than another does not make it a more true occurrence. It seems that many want to ponder on the highest truths in the highest realms of existence, but that does about as much good as a child learning the ABC's to be given a book of Shakespeare's plays and be told to read and contemplate the meaning thereof. He cannot read so he cannot contemplate. Because he cannot yet read his mind is blank as he thumbs through the writings because the words are just blurry symbols that tell him nothing. Let me tell you just one thing to bring you back to earth. The higher worlds are called the formless worlds by the Masters. In these worlds there is no truth as we understand the term. For proof of this let me ask you to think of a truth that you understand and then explain this truth to me without painting the picture of something that has form in time and space. You cannot do it. The child learns the basics first, how to talk, communicate, the alphabet, writing, reading, thinking and so on. Then if he matures and uses all the things he has learned to the highest of his ability he then learns to gain knowledge in ways that go beyond reading, through the power of the soul. Eventually, he may never have to read again for he may know though other methods. So it is with us. We must start here where we are. Sure there is a lot of illusion in this world and there are others worlds a lot more permanent and more real in higher realms. When we go there this world will then seem like a dream, but then the time will come we shall also progress out of an even the higher dream. Alas, that world was not the ultimate either. If we try and solve the equations of the higher realms instead of our basic lessons then we will neither know the mysteries of the higher or to be able to live successfully in the lower. What this leads to is the seeker becoming the dreamer within the dream rather than the knower waking from the dream. The path out of the illusion is truth. We must not cover up truth wherever it may lie or whether it be big or small. Acknowledge all reality (or non reality if you must call it that) for what it is. Do not add to or take away, cover up with deceit, or embellish with lies and you then become the truth and true paths of liberation then open before you. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free," is perhaps the most profound statement ever uttered. There are two types of truth that we can ponder. First there are true facts. These are pixels of information about events or ideas. Secondly there are true principles. A true principle is a lever that leads to many true facts. For instance: 2+2=4 is a true fact. If you learn this alone you will know one thing that is true but it will be of little use to you. On the other hand, if you learn the principle that governs addition and subtraction you can then obtain billions of true pieces of information about the numbers. For instance you will understand that 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 5+5=10 and so on. An infinite number of tiny pieces of data are now available. We start our progression in truth by recognizing true facts and true data and passing it on in an uncorrupted state with no deceit. Then as our minds expand we are drawn more to true principles because we begin to realize that these truths are extremely valuable. The problem is that we cannot handle or even recognize true principles until we first have learned to deal truthfully with facts. When we see and relate true facts for what they are we become prepared to see the truth in principles as they are presented to our consciousness. For the question of the day I'll take a statement made by Zia. She said that we can change a truth from the past so it is no longer true. Is this possible? Can we change the past? If not can we neutralize negativity from the past so it loses it power over us? How do we go about doing this? Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3656 From: Marylin Subject: Re: OT -The City of Regret Glenys writes: "LEAVING THE CITY OF REGRET (author unknown)" Thank you for this OT message. It's not really so OT as it covers a part of all of us that we each need to address (at least I certainly do). All help and guidance is most welcome. Love and Light Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3657 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Absolute Truth Zia writes: "The eternal now does not look like time." "JJ "In time and space the pixels seem transient and have nothing to do with the great event called absolute truth, but in the Eternal Now no pixel is ever lost and is ever present to be retrieved by the mere power of thought." "It would seem the absolute truth then can only be gained in the eternal now, where everything exists and is viewable as the whole picture. Absolute truth must encompass the whole picture. It is the foundation of the whole picture, the unseen of the whole picture." First of all, thank you Zia for contributing, I find your letters very insightful and refreshing, full of thinking that has me thinking! Thanks! :) Reading the above regarding space/time reminded me of a lecture I attended just a few days ago. The lecturer was talking about the common linear idea of time, where you have the present point of now in the middle, past before it and future after the 'focus' point on this line (I believe Wittgenstein was the father of our linear concept of time). His view of time was more like that of space, 3-dimensional. Visualize the x-, y- and z-axises that create a 3d-world. Now replace past, present and future as these axises. Everyone knows what it's like to let your mind zoom along the axis of past, recalling events of your history. Even from the perspective of now, our perception of a past experience may change as we gain deeper insight of what really happened. In the 'eternal' now, 2 people living the same situation will always have a different perception of it due to the difference in their past as well as visions of future, and where their focus is. (Hey, 'What If God Was One Of Us' is playing on the radio! Cool!:) The lecturer used an example where he and a friend of his had been walking down the street a few days before and the sun was really shining bright first time in a while, yes we are finally getting rid of all the snow here in Finland :) He had said: "Isn't it wonderful when the sun is shining like this?". His friend replied: "Well, I don't know, it will be raining in a week anyway". So their perception of the same situation was a totally different experience for them. One man's perception of his 'now' is fully dependent on where he places his attention and focus as well. Right now, I can be fully concentrating on writing this, or I can choose to be listening to my co-workers babbling over coffee in the background. Future is changeable as well, depending on decision. Time is the conscious interplay of these 3 elements combined, creating our experience of present reality, which encompasses both past, present, and future. All 3 are interconnected. When we change our idea/perception of any of these 3 dimensions, we alter our reality, creating a unique 'place' in the 3d-time-axis-world where we experience what it is we decide to experience thru consciously placing our point of perception:) Just thought I'd share, Much Love, Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3658 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Two Types of Truth Granted, what is true is true and what is false is false, but where does it fit in the spectrum when a man speaks falsely to protect what is true. Jesus said, "Do not give what is holy to dogs and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and turn and tear you to pieces."[Mat.7:6] So, is He saying that sometimes we must not allow the real truth to be spoken, in order to protect what is right? Facts are facts, but two different people might interpret them in a different light. A master might be able to avoid entangling situations, but what about the rest of us. Suppose a man tries to protect his home and family from a thief, with a gun that he keeps for just that purpose and then the thief accuses him in court of attempting to harm him with the gun. Given that our justice system just wants the facts, it is possible for the home owner to go to jail because of the way the thief misrepresented the facts. To get a fair trial, he may have to consciously distort the facts, in the opposite direction, in order to balance the scales. In this case, neither man is telling the real truth, but for completely different reasons. The thief lies, in order to take advantage of the home owner, whereas the home owner lies to protect himself, his home and his family. Are both men equally wrong in not telling the real truth? If we are only allowed to judge, based on the physical facts and can not see the motives behind an action, it is possible to judge wrong. Without being able to see the whole story, one might be able to say that Christ's death was not noble, but just the suicide of a misfit. So, how about it, are there times when it is right not to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? As long as we are not deceiving ourselves, are there times when it is better for all concerned that we manipulate the truth? I wouldn't want to lie, but I also would not want to see myself and family suffer from the lies of another. If we always try to do the best thing possible to us, is there not a time when a lie is the best thing? If the fat lady asks me if I think she is fat, she may be thinking, do I think she is a glutton, but that is not what she asked. If I reply yes, but I am thinking it's not because you eat too much, but rather that you eat the wrong sorts of food, she is only going to hear that I do indeed think she is fat. If she is not willing to hear why she is that way, it might be better that I say she is not fat. We can't always be as open as we like, if others are not also open. I am not saying that the above is how I now believe or live my life. I am asking questions so that I might learn the best ways to think and act. I'd like to hear what others think and in the end, I will decide, for myself, how to behave, should such things ever come up again. Waiting to hear the fat lady sing, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3659 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Re: Two Types of Truth JJ writes: "It seems that many want to ponder on the highest truths in the highest realms of existence, but that does about as much good as a child learning the ABC's to be given a book of Shakespeare's plays and be told to read and contemplate the meaning thereof." FIRST of all, may I just say a great big AUMAN to that! I feel like I'm just getting it that L comes before M, and N follows. Drives me nuts when people go off on these LONG and seemingly esoteric e-mails. Give me a practical spirituality ANYDAY! Then he asks: "She said that we can change a truth from the past so it is no longer true. Is this possible? Can we change the past? If not can we neutralize negativity from the past so it loses it power over us? How do we go about doing this?" Well, it was true at one time in my life that I could not walk. That was TRUE. It is no longer true. As for neutralizing past negativity, this is a spiritual cake walk once you DECIDE to do it. It loses power when we decide that we do not want to give whomever another second of our power or another second of our life! Example: Last place of employment was not a happy experience for me. After I had left, I received this weird letter from the HR manager stating that he had heard that I was in violation of a severance agreement I signed. I knew I was clean; my conscience was clear, but it really bugged me, getting this letter on a Friday afternoon a couple of weeks back. But I made a decision that I was NOT going to give these losers five more minutes of my energy, said a prayer, God please help, and that was that. I did not think about it all weekend, by God's grace. I sent the guy a letter the following Monday, addressed the issue and that was it. Dead issue. Neutralized negativity. Is this what you meant, JJ? Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3660 From: Zia Subject: Two Types of Truth Two types of truth, now I am wondering if this is not the best April Fool's joke of all. What is a 'type' of truth but a perception or definition of it. However, I have to say I have enjoyed this whole quest in my mind. In fact I do not believe that the purpose here for me was to see the truth of absolute truth, but rather to understand something else. I saw how beliefs are based upon the truth's of the day, either individually or within greater groups, and it has really been made up of often, individuals wanting their perspective to be 'the truth', the absolute truth in fact. Many were put to death when they did not accept some authority's absolute truth. Yet the world still turned out to be round, in a future perception, and may even turn out to be a tear-drop in a further future perception, perhaps when we can see its spirit as well. But what I really saw was the danger of polarisation within a group to either one way of thinking or the other, and we are back in the world of right and wrong, based upon perception, our current knowledge, and hopefully the knowingness of true experience. I realised people have fought over simpler ideas or concepts. I saw in myself the desire to walk away, that I was playing a mind game here, that could never be proven in this manner. I thought deeply about the Brotherhood of Light that is guiding us in a specific direction, to gain knowledge, understanding and wisdom. I felt that I was being pushed to an already determined and conclusive 'answer'. I questioned all teachers and the teaching of knowledge, for what we are to discover is already a known fact to many. Yet we validate this discovery because it is 'my own' and yet it was the course I was set upon by the teacher and their curriculum. So what happens to the student that makes a discovery outside the curriculum? outside the 'planned direction of learning'? Does a thought really last forever, or does it only last if we keep our consciousness upon it, re-energising it? We are held together by love, and what is love? Energy can be reused over and over. Taking a myriad of shapes. In the whole thought created reality, formless and form filled, it is still thought. The picture on that mighty canvas of time is still thought. And it can be rolled up and pass away. Otherwise how could I change my thoughts? How could I stop believing what I have believed and even entertain the thought of something so different? I am a spirit striving to be human, or to operate in a human body. The spirit I am goes on and on, where is it in the picture of time? Now I could quote the Course in Miracles 'I am not a body I am free, for I am still as God created me', and I could quote scriptures from the Bible as well, and I could quote many of my teachers I have experienced in this lifetime, to validate this statement. For me however, truth and the knowing of that truth is not taking someone else's truth of their experience as my philosophy and preaching that. I would be like the multitude religions arguing interpretations and basing new religions on those interpretations. Jesus spoke from his knowingness, his experience, and from a consciousness not of this place. Some of our channeled teachings also come from a consciousness not of this place. And the experience of knowingness definitely comes from a consciousness not of this place. When I was young a counselor once asked me 'why do you aim for the sun, your goals are so high' and my 16 year old reply was 'if I don't aim for the sun, I won't know how close I could get'. It is my goal to reach beyond this place, and bring into this place greater thought, greater mind, greater knowingness. When our greatest minds, have received a knowingness, they have changed this place and its future. They have also changed our way of viewing the past. Debate and argument over words, their semantics as Rick put it so well, causes us to lose sight of the picture being created that allows a magnificent experience. Truly the Immortal teaching of asking our soul/spirit for guidance is magnificent. We have given important words a power of their own, where in truth it may not be the words that are important at all. It is the simple experience. For which there are seemingly no words, and why, because it will become limited, misunderstood, and most likely rejected. The greatest absolute truth I was ever given was 'I am God'. It changed my life. Greatest because it gave me hope. Absolute because no one could change that. 'A picture says a thousand words' ...who said that? and perhaps this is why spirit gives us more pictures than words, and in that picture is a profound knowingness. Jesus' words were understood by very few, but he just continued to say them, often it seems he said the same thing over and over. We have so many words and are lost in understanding all the meanings, and truly miss the vital picture. And here I have said so many words, for such a simple thought and realisation. In the past I have walked away from the wall of ignorance, unwilling to push it, unwilling to stand over and over, and perhaps turn over a view tables in the process. I was about to, today. I now understand the power of the symbols, rather than the words. The symbols contain thousands of words. Why did I so love the symbol of a gold crown resting on a heart? In the simplest words, it is a symbol of 'Christ love'. That placed upon all the sons and daughters of mankind, and upon our earth is profound to me. That is the true power of thought to me. Why does our Bible say 'in the beginning was the word, etc' and what I discovered was it was not a word, it was a sound. We have made those words so important. Right and wrong use of words. When we communicate through telepathy it will be in pictures ultimately, for where will the need for words be? Now this may not be ultimately, because this was how it WAS, and we've gone backwards with words. I have always wanted to share the profoundness of what I call the mind of God, and tried to do it in words. I realise I should have just used pictures. The picture of what I saw. To lay upon another the picture of their radiant health will create that. To put it into words, allows for rejection, debate, disagreement, often of the very thing they want. What was in the handkerchief given to JJ's wife, but a thought as a picture...not words. We truly have lost our ability to communicate with any meaning and is the reason for so many words. And did the healing only last five days because of John's words? Ultimate, absolute, principles, truth, facts, beliefs...hmmm. To me there is an absolute truth, beyond this place, beyond time and all its thoughts, and that is God. All thought in the levels of time and space is relative to me, and may picture differently dependent upon its level, and upon perception. And that absolute truth of God must also be here and now. For it is not dependent upon time/space or dimensions etc. That is in our song. We thank you Father that you are in us and we are in you, to me that is God. Thank you God!! for the Holy Spirit of your Presence descended into me, and the consciousness of Christ that is not of this place, enflamed within me. That IS my picture for all. And thank you JJ for this opportunity to express my thoughts to the best of my ability in words. And thank you to Samu for your wonderful pictures from another. The picture of you with Kirlian photography is so beautiful. Last night's full moon rose beside a mountain of white white snow, against a blue blue sky and surprisingly the moon was a bright golden globe of light. And this morning the sun rose, on the other side of the white mountain, changing the mountain into a golden temple of light. Rick's glorious sunny days are upon us. Cloudless, pure, bright. Indeed the colors of our thoughts. Such a magnificent blue moon!! ZIA (my home is on a high hill looking straight at a mighty mountain). Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-02/3661 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Two Types of Truth J J Dewey wrote: "For the question of the day I'll take a statement made by Zia. She said that we can change a truth from the past so it is no longer true. Is this possible? Can we change the past? If not can we neutralize negativity from the past so it loses it power over us? How do we go about doing this?" Hi everyone, It's Good Friday here and the sun is shining brightly. I hope you all have a wonderful Easter and find it a time of renewal for you and your families. I don't think you can change your past, despite many trendy teachings that say you can. But I *do* think you can change the effects of the past by using many different techniques. More often than not a change of attitude will do it. Gotta go. I've got Easter eggs to sample (strictly for quality control purposes, of course ) to ensure they're good enough for Sunday. It's a terrible job but someone's got to do it ..... :) Love Glenys -=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "In a dinner speech, Washington Post Chair Katharine Graham shared her deepest fears about news on the Internet. Online news degrades the authority, accuracy, and standards of traditional newspapers, she warned." -- Wired News Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-02/3662 From: J J Dewey Subject: Points in Time and Space I just have a minute but wanted to make a comment on Tracy's thought: "Sh writes "Well, it was true at one time in my life that I could not walk. That was TRUE. It is no longer true." Remember we are talking about truth as points in time and space. Contemplate what this important phrase means. This is a key to harmonizing all of our thought as a group. It is true that there was a point in time and space that I was a baby and could not walk. But now I am at a different point in time and space I can walk, but that doers not change the point in time and space where I could not walk. That still exists and it is still true that as a baby I could not walk. It is a little like walking along a path and you pass some beautiful scenery. After walking a hour the scenery changes so it is no longer beautiful. This does not mean that the beautiful scenery behind you no longer exists. You can go back and look at it whenever you desire to go back to that exact point on the path. Points in time and space are like that. At each point in time and space is a point of truth that will always be. We are discussing a vast subject here and it will take a while to get through it, but when we do I believe most of us will see eye to eye not because I am your authority, but because your souls are your authority and all souls are one. Before I comment on Zia's thoughts I would appreciate it if she could give us her definition of truth so we can speak the same language. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3663 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Truth as Points in Time & Space "Okay, can we change a truth from the past so it is no longer true. Is this possible? Can we change the past?" Ohhh, why didn't you say so? :) I'm kinda feeling like a dope, although I'm sure that was NOT JJ's intent. Unless you can time travel, and I don't know anyone who can (except in Hollywood), then I'd have to say that, no, we cannot change a truth from the past so that it is no longer true. And, no, we cannot change the past in any REAL sense (only in the lies we tell ourselves, and they have NADA to do with the truth). If the answer is yes, I'll eat my hat! Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3664 From: Deborah Brazo Subject: Re: The Eternal Now of Truths Hi, I am new to the list. Having had a similar experience to your's, J.J. (but not with John the Apostle), I very much related to your book (1). BTW... I also live in Idaho ...the other side of the state ... in Rigby. Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3665 From: Zia Subject: Zia's Definition Truth: is that which I know now. ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-02/3666 From: J J Dewey Subject: Definition Clarification Zia's Definition of Truth: "Truth: is that which I know now." This tells me very little so let me ask you some questions to clarify. Is truth something you think you know or something you know you know? If you think you know something to be true and is later proven false then was it really true in the first place? If you believe you know that 2+2=3 is this still truth in your definition? Question: If I know something now that you do not know now, is that which I know the truth? For instance the high temperature in Boise today was 54 degrees. Because I know this and you do not does this mean that this is not true? If it is not true then what is the true temperature? JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3667 From: Phil Hertzke Subject: Re: Definition Clarification All is truth, and in its likewise--is defined as much likewise. Jus a truth :) hehe Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-01/3668 From: Zia Subject: clarification Thank you JJ, I have no further comments on truth, I have said it all. In several posts. Not what I think, not what I believe... I look forward to your comments on my questions in the past several posts. ZIA Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-02/3669 From: Celtispirt Subject: Re: The Word of Truth I just wanted you to know that I was very inspired by The word of Truth. Thanks for sharing. Lori Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-02/3670 From: J J Dewey Subject: Plowing with the Horses We Have I wish I had more time to give all your comments the time they deserve, but I feel I should at this time reply to some more of Zia's writings. She says: "I saw in myself the desire to walk away, that I was playing a mind game here, that could never be proven in this manner.... In the past I have walked away from the wall of ignorance, unwilling to push it, unwilling to stand over and over, and perhaps turn over a view tables in the process. I was about to, today." Zia, how could you have changed so quickly here? Just a few days ago you were reading all the archives, thanking Rick for this list, asking me how you can help to promote the teachings and the book, and now just because I present a slant on truth that you have not considered before your feelings seem hurt and you want to walk away. I'm sorry your enthusiasm became so dampened. Have I done anything to offend you? The subject of truth is not a concept that I would have presented near the beginning of my relationship with this group. I knew it would be controversial and there are many other things I will present that will be controversial so I first wanted to establish a relationship with a number of you in such a way that I would be seen as having an earned authority in your eyes. Only in this way can your eyes be open enough to consider some of the things that I will teach here. To be opened enough to consider a teaching is important for without sincere consideration there can be no possibility of soul confirmation. We have been gliding along rather smoothly for a while so I thought to myself: "It's time to put a teaching out there to stir the waters and perhaps purify to a higher degree." The reason I asked for Zia's definition of truth was so I could more intelligently respond to her posts for if she believes the meaning of truth is one thing and I another then a frustrating communication results. She mentions mental telepathy, but we are limited to words here on the Internet and we must plow with the horses we have. The definition she gave me was: "Truth: is that which I know now... Not what I think, not what I believe." Sorry I do not know what you mean here so I went back and read all your posts trying to figure out what you mean when you speak of truth and absolute truth. Here is what I have gleaned from your writings: You only seem to speak of truth in the absolute sense and truth as you see it lies beyond the world of perception. When we see an elephant we are not seeing any truth about the elephant. Any truth concerning the elephant lies beyond its form. If I see that he elephant has four legs that is not true in your mind. Therefore if I tell someone the elephant has three legs I am not lying. You say the past is not true and that it can be changed. The future is not true either and that can be changed. Does this mean that Bill Clinton may have had no sex with Monica after all that he can change his past and now be telling us the truth? Sorry, Zia, this makes no sense to me. I see this type of thinking as part of a great illusion that traps many new age people who have misunderstood the Seth books and Course in Miracles. The way you define truth is so narrow it would make the idea of telling the truth or lying meaningless. "Sorry dear," I couldn't tell you the truth about that good looking secretary because what you think you see of her has nothing to do with truth. I couldn't possibly have an affair with an illusion." Let's get real here. 99% of the people out there have a pretty good general idea of what we mean when we speak of telling the truth or lying. I am taking what people already correctly understand about truth and guiding them a step further. It is true that as you progress to worlds higher than the physical that things seem to be more real and permanent, and this you call "absolute truth", but even in the higher worlds there is change and BECOMING so it's not absolute in the way you are thinking. To say that 2+2 is not 4 is being argumentative here wit no purpose. In the any final oneness where there could not be a two plus two you would not even exist as an entity, but what good does it do us to even think about it when there are so many points of truth here in this reality to assist us in the joy of BECOMING? Now I'll give you a couple more things (speaking to the group) that you may have not considered. There are those who say we can change the past as well as the future. But let me present you this: You cannot change the past or the future. No, I am not teaching the doctrine of predestination, not at all. Let me explain. You cannot change the future because there is nothing to change. The future is not here yet. You create the future within your ring-pass-not and, when each point in time and space arrives, it is unchangeable. Let me put it this way. Let us say you are going to make a snowball and you think to yourself "I am going to change the future and not make that snowball, I'll make a snowman instead" Time passes and you make the snowman instead of the snowball and you think to yourself: "I'm proud of myself. I've changed the future." Not so. The snowball was never made in the future so it was never there to change. When the future arrived there was no snowball to change. The real future contained the snowman. There was no snowball to change. Now the event is passed there is a snowman at this point in time and space, but there will never be a snowball. This point of time where the snowman was made is unchangeable when it was future and unchangeable when it slipped to the past. Instead of changing the past and future what you do is create them. Each creation is a DECISION point. You can create or decide anything you want to, but decisions in time and space cannot be changed. If I decided to buy a new car yesterday, but changed my mind today I do not alter the fact that I made that decision yesterday. I can, however, alter the effect of that decision with an opposing decision today. Zia brings up one more item for thought. She says that truth is not something we perceive. I would argue this point. All truth that registers in our consciousness or understanding is truth that is perceived in some way. Without some type of perception truth cannot be registered in consciousness. If you do not consider this to be true then think o anything that you know or believe to be true and tell me how you arrived at it with no perception. Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-02/3671 From: J J Dewey Subject: Wayne Yes, Xavier, Wayne is a real person, a great friend and thinker. We do not always agree 100% but we stimulate each other. He's been writing down a lot of his philosophy and publishing it in the local paper here. I keep after him to learn to use a computer and get on the internet but he never gets around to it. Instead he writes all his thoughts down on a yellow legal pad. I collect his writings for him on my computer to make sure he doesn't lose them. I'll post a couple for you below: Eulogy ---- Home is the warrior. Home from the field To rest from his battles, To lay down his shield. ---- His arms have known rust, His bones a deep cold. Now home is the warrior To hearths warm enfold. ---- The battles were many, Of some he could tell; Others left him quiet, To private to dwell. ---- Some battles were fierce With unnumbered foe; And some just as fierce He strove on alone. ---- With his armor about him He lays down to rest. The strength of the metal Was his mettle to test ---- Some battles were won And some battles lost. Often the gift of defeat Outweighed victory's cost. ---- His features were cast In the heat of the strife. The scars lent their form In the shape of his life. ---- A lesson etched at last, Into a part of him: To divide was to conquer To unite was to win. ---- In the strength of his arm And the sight of his mind His soul was reflected; The spirit Divine. ---- But now his days o're For a time things still. Now home is the warrior Home from the field. ---- APPLESAUCE ---- Philosophy is fun, we say. To divide life's apple is play. We number and name, Though the apple's the same. Whether divided in twain Or ground up, we gain Perspective. . .from we see the apple To the apple saw us. ---- PHILOSOPHY - "Trained Thought" Reduced to its primaries, philosophy is a consideration of the relationship between defined quantities and magnitudes as represented within ideas. First, basic postulates are appointed as essentials or "priorities," then, deductively, a theoretical format evolves. In the input and processing out lies the similarities and differences between all philosophical schools of thought. It is the study of a moral foundation for applied living by humans who have evolved to the point where they can recognize their own evolution and the direct involvement in the selection of options through the emancipation of self. Our Declaration of Independence is an example of such a philosophical format. When any philosophy's postulates error against reality or natural law, or if there is a befuddled interpretation of correct premises, contradictions result. The thinker then must re-examine and readjust accordingly. Cruel chaos now reigns in this nation. Dictatorial law stymies the ability to adjust. I will not accept any interpretation of law which requires my submission in mind or of body to the present status quo. I am my own man. I can and do "think" for myself. I neither welcome nor appreciate those who wish to foist upon me an immutable system of rules which indicate that the necessary thinking has already been done and that I must now submit to those man-made laws. I am above such law. Aren't you? If you allow the unenlightened to do your thinking for you, you will do your living for them. THE THREE FREEDOMS ---- When, in life's elastic environment of exoteric and esoteric experience, evolving individuals assume an increasingly able control over the impact of their surrounds upon themselves and vice versa, they are answering an instinctive call. Man's urge to discover, decipher, and discipline his external and internal universe is inherent. He is by nature an explorer, scientist, and engineer in his physical, psychological and spiritual fields. His impulse is to be free of limitations to have free dominion. The egg tooth by which he can break into that reality is philosophy, "the search for the real, the science of thought, the design of a healthy and constructive life". As a man increases his control over his appetites and passions - "his demons within" - and makes them work for him, he becomes a moral man. As he disallows outside influences to bedevil him, he becomes a liberated man. When he has become accomplished at both, he is a master of devils. He has unfettered dominion in his life. He has freedom. What some assume to be freedom is its antithesis. The unrestrained acting out on belief, passion and desire enslaves a man to his own demons. When you try to force your brother, you are in a very real sense rattling the chains of your own bondage. Brothers can and should work together for their mutual benefit, but each must preserve his autonomy 1) physically, 2) mentally and 3) spiritually if the word freedom is to have meaning in his life. Rule of law, religious dogma, and belief are just stale thoughts. EVE/OLUTION Eve, the figurative and legendary "mother" of mankind, is representative of physical matter, just as Adam reflects the spiritual or "father" aspect of creation. Incorporate within each man is an inherent drive to improve his control over self, struggling toward levels at which his higher essence gains and maintains ascendancy over his more coarse physical being. In other terms, he is designed to evolve (Eve/volve). In opposition, a man experiences the evil (Eve/ill), that tradition tells a beguiled Eve allowed into this world, which in reality is no more or less the deception and consequent retardation a man experiences until he transcends his animal nature. Man is born to sin and evil only in the sense that he is still overcoming and is evil only relative to his present understanding and corresponding performance. Ancient Eve as an allegory represents the Eve/ning of men's animal nature and the dawning of human potential. Hence she is the mother of all humans. We all share the same reality, we just have different experiences, including different illusions. It is evil to force your illusion on another. THE FOURTH R The will to know is an instinctive drive in humans, an incumbent impulse which motivates men to explore their objective and subjective worlds. Education should assist one in pursuing the "need to know" via a rational and self-directive methodology. Religion means "to rebind", and as men loose old ideas and regrasp higher ideals on their quest to know, they are living their religion. In both science and religion, the "how" and the "why" of existence are pursued, and in conjunction a moral philosophy is forged. Until a man is able to sense and analyze both phenomenon, his thinking is not truly his own. However, independent thought endangers the status quo, and institutionalized authorities instruct with power, not reason. Although the metaphysical "why" is the most human question in the cosmos, it is increasingly left out of public schools. Without religion, teaching, reading, writing, arithmetic, and other disciplines are just sterile presentments, and not nearly an education by half. Freedom of religion is the right to form philosophical attachments unimpeded by secular authority. AQUARIAN MIND The evolution of consciousness is a journey from awareness to realization for an individual, a group, or an entire race. Whether from the womb of the mother or the cradle of civilization, man & mankind both tread similar paths in like sequence. Man first sees & believes, then sees & comprehends, & finally sees & absorbs knowledge. In past civilizations, focus on religious planes foreshadowed any scientific discipline. Astrology antedates astronomy, alchemy preceded chemistry, medicine men practiced before did men of medicine. At first science seems to tear down the old gods. These periods of initial enmity between the two forces (religion & science) create social unrest in groups & cause conflict in the personal decisions of individuals. This continues until such time as their relative correspondences are seen & understood. Mankind in-mass is approaching that inevitable point of synthesis. With belief one can imagine moving mountains, with science one can move mountains, by faith mountains are moved. Sans illusion, science & religion are conjoined. There are no contradictions to reality. Humanity is finally coming-of-age mentally in much the same sense as we ascribe to a young adult achieving his majority. In years, the time frame ratio between a man & mankind is near 200:1. Dating from the advent of Aries 4,000 years ago, the then infant fifth root race, first evolved religion as an institution & then during the 2,000 years of Pisces, adolescent humanity saw science also assume institutional proportions. The next step for the now 'young adult' human race is the 'mind' as an institution. Welcome to the age of Aquarius! ....the age of the astrologer/astronomer, the religious/scientist, and the man free from illusion in both. This is just a random sampling of some of his writings to give you an idea of how the real Wayne thinks in his own words. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-04-02/3672 From: Jennifer Hampson Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-04-01 of The Keys of Knowledge List This is a bit tangential to the main discussion but I was interested in one of the points that Zia made:- that is, I also thought one could alter one's past, and one's future, from now, or from any point in time, because time is relative, and is only a function of the physical dimension. For example, if someone was in a bad accident, could I not send some helping energy back to the scene of the accident, and it would ameliorate the ensuing circumstances? Indeed if I was powerful enough I could go back in time before the accident and prevent it altogether - if that was the wisest thing to do. (I assume such power is developed along with a corresponding development in wisdom as to when it is appropriate to exercise one's power! As Jesus did.) Are there not times when the circumstances I think I am creating for myself shift off the track I am heading and place me into a whole new reality. A little bit in the way that I might pick up a spider heading for my food, and place it outside in the grass. It would not know it had been moved by some massive outside unknown force, and would just get on with being a spider in the current environment in which it finds itself. (Sure, the spider must, at the level of spirit, have created an opening for this to occur in his life.) If in an instant I saw things totally differently to the point where I no longer fitted in my current reality, would I find myself in a reality perfectly fitting to who I now perceived myself to be? If I suddenly recognised/KNEW Truth, I doubt I would continue to exist in the reality that I now inhabit, because it is based on my (and others in agreement with me) perceptions of truth, not on the Truth itself. Although what is true is always present, I do not fully appreciate it and my perceptions of it are limited. It is those limited perceptions of truth