1999 - WEEK 8 Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3175 From: Lisa Folk Subject: Re: OT--Possible attack of darkness? I think you are all right. I have been very ill the last month and only now am getting back on my feet. Every time I try to get the archives on the Keysters site up to date, something comes up and stops me from doing it. Now that we have all figured it out, maybe it'll stop. With all of us aware and alert the element of surprise is gone. Natural Folks Ent LTD. http://www.naturalfolks.com lfolk@naturalfolks.com Phone 250-789-3704 Fax 250-789-3705 Toll Free 1-888-465-9059 Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3176 From: J J Dewey Subject: Molecular Politics Part II In all countries where there are free elections you have political parties that represent the conservative side on one hand and the liberal side on the other. In this treatise we shall mainly deal with politics as they exist in he United States, but the principles under discussion should apply to all free countries for they all have an interplay between the pairs of opposites. Some countries have numerous parties representing the two sides, but in the United States over 90% of the population is generally represented by the two major parties - the Republican and Democratic parties. Both parties claim to represent the "people," but in reality each party represents the view of fewer than 50 per cent of the voters because of third parties and independent people. Therefore, if you are a Democrat and are in a district where a Republican is elected you have to bite your tongue until the next election or longer. Then if a Democrat is elected at that time the Republican has to wander in the limbo of not being represented. The point is that no matter who is elected only a minority is represented and the rest of the people are very disgruntled that their view is completely bypassed until their side wins again. Wouldn't people be much happier if their views have a chance of being represented at all times? This may seem like a pipe dream, but through the principle of Molecular Politics this becomes possible. But before we get to the solution let us make sure we understand the complete problem. In addition to the frustration of not getting our party of choice in office half the time, voters also suffer considerable frustration when their candidate of choice seems to wander off the expected course and votes on numerous occasions contrary to even the will of his supporters. There are seven strong influences on politicians that cause them to ignore the will of the people whom they claim to represent. (1) Polls. We have already illustrated how polls are manipulated to appear as if they represent the will of the people when sometimes they do not. If the politician votes according to the polls his real voters will often be frustrated. (2) Political groups, action committees and all those with a political agenda who contribute a significant amount of money or influence to help the candidate get elected. When this occurs the candidate incurs the well known political debt that he must repay while in office or incur the wrath of those who put him there. If he refuses to vote in a way that pleases these powerful ones then they will work against him in the next election. Is the will of the people represented when the politician votes the will of the few powerful ones who financed him? No. Of course not. (3) The third obstacle that interferes with the will of the people are special interest groups and large corporations who spend many millions in lobbying politicians so they will vote and legislate according to their will. These lobbyists will visit the legislator on as regular basis as possibly and lay their cause and wishes before him. They will also throw parties, wine and dine, and arrange field trips in the Bahamas and other exotic locations so the legislator can become better informed of certain problems. They also help to arrange for fund raising contacts to help assure reelection. Now let us say it is time to vote for project X. The majority of the people are against it and a few have written letters about it, but they have not captured the Congressman's attention nearly as much as the constant influence and "assistance" of the lobbyist. When it comes time to vote, he votes "yes" because the pressure, the gifts, the parties, the free vacation are very fresh in his mind. So when the politician votes the will of the special interest group is he truly representing the will of the majority of the people he claims to represent? In many cases the answer is a resounding "no!" (4) Another common way that the people are not represented is through the trading of votes. How does this happen? Here is an example: Let us say, for instance that the Senator from Arkansas wants a grant for research into chicken feathers and the Senator from Idaho wants money for research into the control of the rabbit population. Now neither of these projects have enough support to pass, but each one of these guys would be a big hero in his home state if he could bring home the big bucks so here's what they do. The Senator from Idaho approaches the senator from Arkansas and says. I don't really care about your feather research project in Arkansas, but I desperately need to get my rabbit project passed so I'll tell you what. You vote for my project and I'll vote for yours. The Arkansas Senator jumps at this and agrees and so they make a trade or agreement and support each other's projects even though neither the Senators nor their constituents could give a rat's behind about it. So when the Senator from Idaho votes for the feather project in Arkansas, is the will of the people he represents truly represented? We often hear of strange projects that our Congress sends millions of dollars on, like the study of the sex life of a mosquito, and we wonder who was crazy enough to have voted for such a thing. This trading of votes is part of the answer and is also one of the reasons Congress always manages to spend more money than they should. (5) Another problem interfering with representation is ignorance. You have probably heard about pieces of legislation that are accompanied by something like 1,500 pages of research. Do you think our legislators take the time to read the whole thing? Very rarely. The real truth is that they often do not even read one page of material that is related to a bill they are voting on. Quite often all they know about the bill is what they have heard tossed around in debate or what their party bosses have told them. Many bills have riders attached to them that will have more teeth than the bill itself. Often times the politician will know only a small amount about the bill and little or nothing about the riders, unless the rider happens to be a pay raise for himself and colleagues. Therefore, we ask, when the legislator votes for something he knows little or nothing about can he in any way truly represent the will of the people who voted for him? Again the answer is no. (6) Influence from party leaders is another big item. We have seen time and time again that close to 100% of legislators vote along party lines because of pressure from their leaders and the group itself. From the time we were teenagers most of us have had some desire to fit in with a group and conform. This influence carries over in many ways to adulthood and is strongly manifest when our guy goes to Washington. We have seen time and time again that a person with high goals and good intentions goes off to Washington only to wind up under the thumb of part leaders and Washington influence. When your man in Washington votes according to the wishes of party leaders is he then representing the will of the folks back home? Again the answer is obvious. (7) The final barrier to real representation is prejudice. Each elected official has certain preconceived notions and religious convictions that are not the same as us folks who voted for him. If this person believes that the earth is only 7,000 years old because of religious conviction will this not affect his votes on education which teaches evolution? If his religious convictions makes him strongly for or against abortion we know that there is nothing in the world including the will of the people, that will alter his vote. If the man uses pot then he will support the legalization of it. If he has lots of kids he will favor tax breaks for families and so on. Each legislator brings numerous prejudices to his vote that have nothing to do with the will of the people. So when we view all seven of these obstacles to the will of the people we may feel overwhelmed and feel within ourselves that we should just give up trying to change anything and just hope for the best. The truth is that we do not have to give up on the possibility that the will of the people can become truly manifest. Such a thing is not only possible, but it is the destiny of the age to come. There is a solution to these seven obstacles and they can be eliminated in one master stroke which is in complete harmony with the Constitution of the United States and most other free countries. Instead of just complaining about political situations, in our next article we will present a practical solution that will revolutionize the political world and eventually become a subject of great debate. Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3177 From: J J Dewey Subject: To Margaret (Rick's Ex) A lot of the problems I have incurred in my life has been when I was attempting to help someone. It is unfortunate in life that it is more dangerous to help others than to do nothing. This is one of the reasons that good hearted people seen to have more trouble than the self involved. Nevertheless, it is a price we must often pay for it just does not seem right to lend a helping hand when it is legitimately needed. Now I am saddened by the fact that if Rick had just been selfish and refused to lend you a helping hand he would have avoided many problems. You would not be charging him with abuse, or whatever it is. He would have not been arrested and would perhaps be able to spend some extra money on his family rather than legal bills. From Rick's letters to us before this incident we could tell that he was beside himself about handling your presence in his residence. It was obvious that it was producing a strain on him. For one thing he quit smoking and as soon as you moved in he started again. From what I can tell Rick has a good heart and is sincerely trying to improve himself, but all of us, including you and me have limits which we must recognize and work with for if these limits are crossed problems occur, words are spoken, actions are committed that we will regret. Even Jesus reached his limit when he overturned the tables, whipped the moneychangers and chased them out of the temple. If someone did that today in a church or synagogue people would think that a mad man had arrived and that's probably what they thought then. I have a feeling that you believe in Christ. If you do Margaret I would advise you this. Withdraw your charges against Rick and forgive him any harm you believe he has done and find another place to live. Your divorce is evidence that you should not live together so live apart and be good neighbors as the Master advises. Did not Jesus command us to do good to your enemies, turn the other cheek, yield if you are taken to court? Forget how all of these things apply to Rick. Consider instead how they apply to you and your personal responsibility for forgiveness as it may relate to your own place in the eternal world. You are the only one with the power to end this situation in peace and I believe that if you will listen to the Holy Spirit inside of you that you will hear the word "forgive" come into your heart and mind. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3178 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: To Margaret (Rick's Ex) JJ: I can't speak for anyone else, but your words this morning rang very true for me. Since the inception of this situation, I have been praying that Rick and Margaret would be able to forgive and bless each other and move on. NOT forgive and forget, but forgive on move on with their own individual, and separate, lives. I also think that each of us, according to our relationship and investment in Rick, need to be able to forgive and bless Rick and Margaret as they seek the solution that serves the best for both of them. ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3179 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: OT--Possible attack of darkness? Rob writes: "It seems like the last 5 days has seen weird things happen either to me or to people I care about. Little things, for example: My alarm clock hasn't been sounding to wake me up even though it's set correctly, my mom's car key got broke off in the car door, someone I haven't seen in years and who I feel badly around suddenly pops up at a bar, the activity on this list has dropped, my own desire to post to the list has dropped, my smoking has increased, the song "Got you where I want you" has been playing over and over in my head, not to mention everything that's been happening to Rick." Thanks for the post Rob. I was wondering also about so many negative things happening around me. I do say the song every day, but usually only once. I have gotten away from meditation as I am unable to get away from distracting pressure points. Maybe I had better say the song more than once or sometimes twice a day. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3180 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Dark Attack? Possibly a misnomer here, dark attack? Is that anything like a heart attack? Or a brain attack? I'm not having any problems in my life, matter of fact, my life just keeps getting better and better. Maybe it's just how I see things happening around me, but my bad days now are better than my good days used to be. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3181 From: David Curtis Subject: Re: OT--Possible attack of darkness? Rob, I've been experience some very strange occurrences over the last 5 days as well. However, with me it seems centered in my dreams. 3 nights in a row I dreamt of a civil war breaking out in the US, which eventually led to my death. On 2 occasions, I died fighting for my beliefs. On the 3rd occasion, I did the bidding of an 'evil' dictator who had taken control of the US government, and then rebelled. At the end of the dream, there was a celebration of some sort, in which I was to be sacrificed as an example to the people. Then, last Saturday, I did my taxes. I owe the government $747. This occurred the day after the last dream. I find myself wondering what's going on... Peace and Love, Dave Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3182 From: J J Dewey Subject: Attention on the Positive I appreciate Jennifer Hampson's long and thoughtful post. I don't have time to elaborate on it now but enjoyed it. I was glad that Glenys gave her comments. I wanted to say a few words about the negative influences everyone seems to be feeling. When I said to pay attention to Rob's post I was referring mainly to the positive portions. When there are negative occurrences we should not ignore then, but neither should we give them energy through ATTENTION. The best thing to do is take note of all happenings, positive and negative, and then shift your attention ion the positive things you wish to manifest in your life. This positive attention along with the use of the Song will be a great help. What we should avoid is many testimonials that "the negative force is here." This causes the attention of the whole group to shift in this direction to some degree. The fact is that whenever you make a major effort to improve your life a negative force will work to draw you backwards. Just make up your mind that when it comes you will move ahead with your ATTENTION focused on the positive no matter what happens, just as Dave did in the parable where he turned hell into heaven. If you give the negative force your energy when it comes then it will hang around long enough to discourage you. Keep your mind focused on the soul and the negative will not be able to linger for more than three days. Think of it. You can handle almost anything for three days. If you have a problem for more than three days (that is far beyond normal good and bad) then you have let your ATTENTION be diverted from the Positive goal. If you feel you need an extra jolt of spiritual energy and only have a Short time to contemplate say this to yourself: "Let the Angel of the Presence be in my presence so I feel Spirit of God is the only Presence." Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3183 From: (Marylin) Subject: Re: OT--Possible attack of darkness? Hi Dave Sounds like you were having precognitive dreams. The last time I had what I call a "double dream" it was about a monster from the ocean getting my husband. He passed on four months later from lung cancer that caused a main heart artery to rupture. He did indeed drown. Keep track of your dreams. Write them down and then see how they affect your life. Sometimes it's just about an immediate problem and sometimes even memory dreams of past lives. Keep a print out of your post and see if there is more to the dreams than just the IRS. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3184 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Attention on the Positive Hello Folks, Yes, I am now coming out of hiding and should be back home, on my own computer at midnight tonight. I'll have plenty to say then, but for now, I've been chomping at the bit to join in the conversations that I have only been able to view for the last week. JJ's last post, on attention on the positive, is another hint to the answer to Glenys's question as to how to know the best way to serve. The principle involved is that our "reality" is the result of where we place our consciousness. If you focus your attention on how you can best serve, your reality will automatically provide all the opportunities to be of service. This is exactly how I managed to get through the last week of my life. I had prayed to God for a solution that would be the greatest good for all concerned and the next day, the stuff hit the fan. Throughout I have not been worried about myself, because I have complete trust in the Father. My main concerns have been for my daughter and ex-wife. From the way things are working out, I can see that the solution could not be any better and I am not the one pulling the strings. I am very thankful for all the prayers and light that everyone sent my way. To those still experiencing problems, I recomend keeping your chin up and your eye on God. I am 100% sure that this will help you through the rough spots. All you need is Love. God bless the Keysters, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3185 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: I have a question It may be a SILLY question, but I'm going to ask it nonetheless. JJ, in the book, I recall John instructing you that the way we word things is important, that the meaning of something can be changed inadvertently by adding or deleting a word. So, my question is this: I find myself adding the word "Amen" to the end of the song. I do this simply out of habit with anything that sounds remotely like a prayer. Is this a "bad" thing? Am I lessening the effectiveness of saying the song by doing this? Just curious. Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3186 From: (Rob)TeKnoBabL Subject: Re: To Margaret (Rick's Ex) Ok, here's where I get confused regarding forgiveness, JJ. It makes sense to me what you told Margaret, but it seems like you're also saying whenever someone wrongs another the person should not seek any compensation whatsoever. Doesn't the bible also say that everyone will have done unto them what they do unto others? I lent money to someone I cared about and they never paid me back per our verbal agreement. NOT suing him seems to contrast with the Principle of Cause and Effect, doesn't it? He took money from me, doesn't natural law necessitate I get that money or something of equal value back from him? Rob Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3187 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: To Margaret (Rick's Ex) (Rob)TeKnoBabL wrote: "Ok, here's where I get confused regarding forgiveness, JJ. It makes sense to me what you told Margaret, but it seems like you're also saying whenever someone wrongs another the person should not seek any compensation whatsoever." I'd also appreciate some clarification of your comments, JJ. We are now passing out of the Age of Sacrifice. Forgiveness often seems to involve being a doormat. Are you saying that one should not only forgive but also assist the offending party avoid the consequences of their action? I'm sure there's times when this is appropriate but sometimes helping someone avoid the consequences also helps them avoid the lesson they've set up for themselves. (I must stress that I'm talking generally here and not about Rick and Margaret's situation of which I don't know enough about to comment even if I wanted to.) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The Bible In 50 Words God made, Adam bit, Noah arked, Abraham split, Joseph ruled, Jacob fooled, bush talked, Moses balked, Pharoah plagued, people walked, sea divided, tablets guided, promise landed, Saul freaked, David peeked, prophets warned, Jesus born, God walked, love talked, anger crucified, hope died, Love rose, Spirit flamed, Word spread, God remained! Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3188 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: forgiveness/assistance Glenys writes: "I'd also appreciate some clarification of your comments, JJ. We are now passing out of the Age of Sacrifice. Forgiveness often seems to involve being a doormat. Are you saying that one should not only forgive but also assist the offending party avoid the consequences of their action?" I'd like to add my 2 cents worth, and I hope you, Glenys, won't mind, as I know you're asking JJ. But when you talk about "not only forgive but also assist the offending party avoid the consequences...." that reminded me of Jesus hanging on the cross and saying "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do". To me that says he not only forgave them but assisted them to avoid the consequences. I think a lot of things that happen to us can be classed in the same category, because if people really knew what they were doing to THEMSELVES when they do something to another they surely "know not what they do", not to mention what they do to the Christ, as Jesus said "what you do until my little ones you do unto me". Well, maybe a dime's worth.....:) LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3189 From: J J Dewey Subject: Forgiveness LeLona - good comments, worth much more than ten cents. Rob Writes: "Ok, here's where I get confused regarding forgiveness, JJ. It makes sense to me what you told Margaret, but it seems like you're also saying whenever someone wrongs another the person should not seek any compensation whatsoever. Doesn't the bible also say that everyone will have done unto them what they do unto others?" Glenys Wrote: "I'd also appreciate some clarification of your comments, JJ. We are now passing out of the Age of Sacrifice. Forgiveness often seems to involve being a doormat. Are you saying that one should not only forgive but also assist the offending party avoid the consequences of their action? I'm sure there's times when this is appropriate but sometimes helping someone avoid the consequences also helps them avoid the lesson they've set up for themselves. (I must stress that I'm talking generally here and not about Rick and Margaret's situation of which I don't know enough about to comment even if I wanted to.)" An important point here is that black and white rules with no deviation belong to the time of Moses with all the strict laws that required no thought. We are told that these black and white laws were a "schoolmaster" to bring us to the law of Christ where we use judgment to comply with the "spirit of the law" which is often in conflict with the letter of the law. The Beast uses the letter of the law and rules by it. To escape the mark of the beast we must have the law "written in our hearts" as is prophesied in the Book of Jeremiah about the Aquarian Age. We are also told that there is a time and place for everything. Jesus, for instance, taught tolerance and love, yet when he entered the temple and witnessed the hypocrisy he felt it was the correct time and place to let some anger fly. There are times to go to court and times not to go to court. However, the time to forgive is always. To forgive does not negate justice but does let go of grievances and I believe that if Margaret could let go of her grievances here that she would drop her charges toward Rick. Then if she would get a place of her own I believe that such a problem as this would never reoccur. If there is debt to be paid off here the Lords of Karma will take care of it. Because we are passing into Aquarius does not mean we eliminate sacrifice. It means we should have learned its correct use and place and apply it intelligently. It is possible that someone else on this list could have a similar problem and I would give different advice. In fact I told Rick shortly after Margaret moved in with him that I thought the best thing was for him to get her out of the house no matter what he had to do, even if it would be tough on the child, even if he had to pay the first month's rent on an apartment. I didn't give this advice because of any one teaching I can think of, but it just seemed to be best thing to do from my gut feeling on the situation. I also realize the problems that can occur when a person is pushed to his limit. To have control over our lives we must realize our limits and arrange our circumstances so they are not crossed. Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3190 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: RE: OT - Possible Attack of Darkness Okay, now this is ringing SO true! Sick? Me, too - with the Beijing flu that made me so sick that talking on the phone took too much energy, AND my first bout of bronchitis, which has prompted me to quit smoking (hurray - day 7!). I think today may be the first day in weeks that I haven't coughed. I had a flu shot this year, and my doc, who never gets anything according to him, got this flu. He has been talking to the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta because it's been THAT bad here. Which is no wonder - I work with a ton of people who are in and out of the country routinely (they just came back from Europe last week and are off to China next). I get everything, every bug that comes thru this place, and then get my ass chewed for missing work. Frankly, I'd rather that they kiss it instead! And they ought to - ingrates that they are... Not only that, the on-board computer went out a week ago on my car to the tune of $1300. (which is a lot of money to moi). I picked it up from the mechanic on Wednesday night and it ran Thursday, Friday and Saturday. I drove it to an AA meeting Sunday AM. When I came out, it didn't start again, just like it was doing last week. I am out of tows with AAA. It is at the shop as I type. I cried my makeup off in frustration TWICE yesterday. And had to apologize to the contractor fixing our shower on HIS Sunday, because I seem to be running seriously short on "nice." A similar thing has happened to this new guy that I'm seeing, only he can't just plunk down the $1400 for his car's repair (my roommate let me borrow his credit card to pay for mine, by the way). He's talking about getting a second job, and this guy's time is stretched to the max already, with one full time job, plus school on Monday and Wednesday night and all day Saturday. Like I said to him on the phone the other day, "Well, I had a great time on Tuesday. Guess I'll be seeing you, oh, about June, when school's out, hmm?" Poor thing. Please say a prayer for A.J. if you think to. He's just a wonderful guy and he's totally stressed. Not to mention quitting smoking has made everything just slightly larger than life. A friend changed her mind about going out on Saturday night with me, and my feeling of disappointment was abnormally large. I feel like the drama queen from hell! The only thing I have been getting right is saying the song at least once a day. Yesterday I may have said it 3 or more times. I'm a basket case. Is God on holiday, or what? Are we having a massive, planet-wide dark night of the soul? Can ANYONE please tell me what is going on and who is in charge here???? :) Thank God for you FOLKS! Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3191 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: [Fwd: SHAKE IT OFF AND STEP UP] -Forwarded This is SO worth reading (and Steve, would you forward it to the people on your mailing list?). I needed to read this and I'll bet it will benefit the many people I know who are "goin' through it" right now. Blessings, all, Tracey Subject: [Fwd: SHAKE IT OFF AND STEP UP] Author: Toni Barrios at Internet I thought you might enjoy this little story... Hello all, This is really neat! Shake It Off And Step Up ------------------------ A parable is told of a farmer who owned an old mule. The mule fell into the farmer's well. The farmer heard the mule 'braying' - or - whatever mules do when they fall into wells. After carefully assessing the situation, the farmer sympathized with the mule, but decided that neither the mule nor the well was worth the trouble of saving. Instead, he called his neighbors together and told them what had happened...and enlisted them to help haul dirt to bury the old mule in the well and put him out of his misery. Initially, the old mule was hysterical! But as the farmer and his neighbors continued shoveling and the dirt hit his back...a thought struck him. It suddenly dawned on him that every time a shovel load of dirt landed on his back...HE SHOULD SHAKE IT OFF AND STEP UP! This he did, blow after blow. "Shake it off and step up...shake it off and step up...shake it off and step up!" he repeated to encourage himself. No matter how painful the blows, or distressing the situation seemed the old mule fought "panic" and just kept right on SHAKING IT OFF AND STEPPING UP! You're right! It wasn't long before the old mule, battered and exhausted, STEPPED TRIUMPHANTLY OVER THE WALL OF THAT WELL! What seemed like it would bury him, actually blessed him...all because of the manner in which he handled his adversity. THAT'S LIFE. If we face our problems and respond to them positively, and refuse to give in to panic, bitterness, or self-pity...THE ADVERSITIES THAT COME ALONG TO BURY US USUALLY HAVE WITHIN THEM THE POTENTIAL TO BENEFIT AND BLESS US! Remember that FORGIVENESS-FAITH- PRAYER-PRAISE and HOPE...all are excellent ways to "SHAKE IT OFF AND STEP UP" out of the wells in which we find ourselves! Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3192 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: RE: OT - Possible Attack of Darkness HI Tracey, I've had this hacking cough and I don't smoke. I have no idea what kind of flu this is that I have because I don't have insurance and don't go to a doctor. This flu bug has just hung on for what seems forever. A friend told me about some herbal remedy called Sambucol but I didn't feel well enough to get out to a health food store to get some and by the time I did get it, it didn't kill the bug or make me feel better; think you have to use it at the start of feeling sick for it to work best. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-22/3193 From: Margaret Eldridge Subject: Re: To Margaret (Rick's Ex) Dear JJ I am leaving Rick's apartment tonight. At best our marriage was tumultuous. Abuse started early on, later was replace by controlling abusive mental and emotional behavior. But still I thought I loved Rick. And I still say he can be an incredible person. There is just this side of him. I forgive him. But it is not up to me to drop any charges. The state takes that out of my hands. And since this wasn't the first time, though he will deny it happened. I wish he would take responsibility for his actions. The worst is what is happening to our daughter. Hopefully, soon the courts will see her place is with me as it has been for over the last almost year. I wish only the best for Rick, and in his exploration for the truth. I also hope he finds the truth about himself. I will still be on the list. And hope to keep up with the issues/topics. Thanks for your prayers and energy. Margaret Eldridge Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3194 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Forgiveness Thanks for your comments, JJ (and LeLona). I guess I was just looking for the principle behind your more specific (factual) advice to Margaret and I think I got it :-) I certainly agree with your admonition not to be categorical about these issues. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A true teacher asks you to walk beside him Not behind him -Atri Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3195 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Margaret Margaret Eldridge wrote: "........... I wish only the best for Rick, and in his exploration for the truth. I also hope he finds the truth about himself." Good advice for everyone, Margaret. We all need to find out the truth about ourselves by cutting through the fog of illusion before we can be truly free. We do our best to help each other do that on this list, although it often seems to be a case of the blind leading the blind :-) Anyone who wishes to see the truth is very welcome on this list although I would have to say that I don't think the list was established to discuss individual members' domestic situations. I'm sure there are other, more appropriate forums for that. Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A true teacher asks you to walk beside him Not behind him -Atri Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3196 From: J J Dewey Subject: To Margaret I am encouraged by the fact that you want to continue on the list. You are certainly welcome. Since we do not know all the facts the best thing we can advise is to forgive each other and be friends at a distance for the sake of your child. We all love Rick for all we know of him is the good, the beautiful and the true. This is what we see when we look upon the soul and we are willing to also look upon your soul for all souls are one with God for the essence of us all is divine. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3197 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: Re : OT--Possible attack of darkness? LeLona Hodges writes: "xavier writes: "^) Lelona" "What?" "Whatcha winking at me for?" "I was going to say, but I never got a chance to say that I haven't had any darkness attacks, per Rob's coincidences." "So WHAT, Xavier? :) ^) LeLona" see here: you asked for the quote, i gave it didn't I? Or was it another one? "Great Letter Rob." "I would suggest everyone read it now, put it aside and read it again a day later." Would someone please quote Ruth's letter? I never saw it today, when was it? LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3198 From: Rick Audette Subject: No excuses Hi All, Just got back and already on the computer talking with keysters. This topic truly shouldn't be here, but I feel I need to clear the air. Last Monday, Margaret falsely accused me of assault resulting in my spending a night in jail. Next morning she got a protective order banning me from my own home. I am not angry. I wish her the best, just somewhere else. Throughout the whole ordeal I have kept my attention on God and doing what is right and I trust completely that we will get a just solution. I was going to work and staying at my brother's, so I have been able to read all the posts this week. I was pleased to see how everyone handled my mysterious disappearance. Sure caused a stir. Like I been telling y'all, I'm a real guy, with problems like anybody else. The one thing in my favor is that after a life time of challenges, I'm still thinking of how to become more Godlike. Mostly, I feel I've been making progress, so I can't complain about the rough spots. Love, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3199 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: No excuses It's great to see you back, Rick. We've missed you! (And next time if you want a break from us all, try something a little less dramatic than a night in jail. We'll understand :-) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-= I, Who erewhile the happy Garden sung By one man's disobedience lost, now sing Recovered paradise to All Mankind. - Milton Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3200 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Re : Re: Re : OT--Possible attack of darkness? No, Xavier, you didn't send it. LeLona Last 100 Index Next 100> post_?5*XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXcate V ?_?5*T_.?_kb~_ml_ntry('(tm)6?_?}=__??<- _?_9__z?,'_yurl 3http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/keysarchive/3200.htmmime text/htmlhntt"e00ac3-2dc0c- 38cf1ecb"hvrsdata Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3201 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: To Margaret JJ writes: "This is what we see when we look upon the soul and we are willing to also look upon your soul for all souls are one with God for the essence of us all is divine." AMEN ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3202 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: To Margaret (Rick's Ex) "Did not Jesus command us to do good to your enemies, turn the other cheek," My understanding of Jesus is that he never "commanded" anything of anyone. He gave strong suggestions but to my knowledge "forced" only once in the temple with the money changers. He would never interfere with our free will. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3203 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: I have a question Tracey writes: "It may be a SILLY question, but I'm going to ask it nonetheless. JJ, in the book, I recall John instructing you that the way we word things is important, that the meaning of something can be changed inadvertently by adding or deleting a word." "So, my question is this: I find myself adding the word "Amen" to the end of the song. I do this simply out of habit with anything that sounds remotely like a prayer. Is this a "bad" thing? Am I lessening the effectiveness of saying the song by doing this? Just curious." I, too, would like to know. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3204 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: No excuses Hi Rick And All, I wanted to say welcome home. Not only to your own house, but to this one as well. Also I thought of this quote from Proverbs that I have taken comfort from more than once. Perhaps it will speak to you as well. Be good and stand strong. Prov 24:15-16 15 Do not lie in wait like an outlaw against a righteous man's house, do not raid his dwelling place; 16 for though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again, but the wicked are brought down by calamity. (NIV) Wishing you peace, John Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3205 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: No excuses Hi Rick I haven't talk with you before but very much enjoy the list reports you give. It's good to have you back. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3206 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: RE: OT - Possible Attack of Darkness Tracey writes: "The only thing I have been getting right is saying the song at least once a day. Yesterday I may have said it 3 or more times. I'm a basket case. Is God on holiday, or what? Are we having a massive, planet-wide dark night of the soul? Can ANYONE please tell me what is going on and who is in charge here???? :) Thank God for you FOLKS!" I can't say for sure, but maybe it's the biblical prophecies coming true an maybe it's a part of this millennium being so special that we now have visitors from other planets. At least that is what I have read about at pagpaw@wasi.net. Much interesting information there too. Net site is Planetary Activation Organization. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3207 From: "Hardin, Jennifer" Subject: RE: Something to help the flus Hi there, A lot of you have mentioned colds and flus that you just can't seem to shake. If you're interested in two more cents worth, I know of something that WILL help you get better. It's an herbal remedy called Enchineca. It helps to boost your immune system. I stared taking it last year when I got a winter flu that knocked my on the floor for about six weeks. After I started to take the enchineca I started getting better in 3 days. And then after that as everyone else in the office started having relapses I stayed healthy. Most of my friends and my parents also take it whenever they feel a cold coming on. You have to take a lot in the beginning to kick the germs out of your system. I took 8 pills a day. Four in the morning and four at night. Three days and you will start to feel a difference. Make sure you do read the bottle. It says you shouldn't take it if you're allergic to daises. I don't have any flower allergies so it wasn't a problem for me. I hope it helps. And I hope that all of you get healthy and well again. Smooches !! -Jenn Diane writes: "HI Tracey, I've had this hacking cough and I don't smoke. I have no idea what kind of flu this is that I have because I don't have insurance and don't go to a doctor. This flu bug has just hung on for what seems forever. A friend told me about some herbal remedy called Sambucol but I didn't feel well enough to get out to a health food store to get some and by the time I did get it, it didn't kill the bug or make me feel better; I think you have to use it at the start of feeling sick for it to work best." Post No. keys-1/1999-02-23/3208 From: J J Dewey Subject: Commandments and AMEN I just have time for a short post so I will just answer a couple questions. Along with others I want to welcome Rick back. We all feel for you and look forward to you resolving the situation. It looks like you are making progress. I will say this the story of your life lately has been better than Melrose place. I'll talk briefly about Jesus and commandments and Amen. Jesus as well as Moses did give commandments, but such commandments do not take away free will. The laws of the land have much more teeth than the commandments Jesus gave. Do they take away free will? No they help with free will. Without laws that prevent murder and stealing (which are also commandments) society would live in such fear that real free will would be discouraged. What commandments did Jesus give? John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Jesus also supported the ten commandments as illustrated here: Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matt 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Matt 19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Matt 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Matt 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me. Matt 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Notice that both Moses and Jesus gave the commandments as a way to enter into greater life, but many of the churches today use them in a negative way that does come close to taking away free will by teaching something like this: "Obey this commandment (my version of it) or you're going to hell!" Neither Jesus or Moses mentioned hell in relation to the commandments. Jesus as quoted above talked about entering "into life. "Commandments have been given by the Brotherhood of Light to all the religions of the planet for a purpose and to understand them it is important to go to the source rather than the Jimmy Swaggarts of the world. The commandments focus our lives so the law of cause and effect (karma) works for our good so our free will is eventually expanded. They also direct our minds toward the soul. Many of us get a bad taste in our mouths when someone quotes a commandment at us. Many religious types can be very obnoxious. But when the commandment is in harmony with the will of God verified through the soul and that fact is registered in our consciousness the effect on a person is powerful. Then comes a realization that this is a guiding post that will direct us to greater spiritual progress. AMEN The AMEN originally was an alternative method of saying the sacred word AUM. In fact the original pronunciation of Amen was AUM-ANE, which meant "may the words which have been spoken become manifest, but only to fulfill the purpose of God." AUM-AUN and AUM-OM were also used and the full meaning will be given in a future key. Among the ancients AUM, OM, AUM-ANE, AUM-AUN and AUM-OM and other variations were used at the end of a prayer or invocation for certain purposes. The current pronunciation of AMEN is a corruption. Any use of it should begin with the AUM sound. Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3209 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Back is where I am :) My Keyster Friends! Yes, been back home in Finland since yesterday, still trying to adjust myself to 'normal' life and everything :) I had a wonderful trip, me and my dear one Marcie spent endless long hours just talking, being and enjoying each other's company, catching up after not having seen each other for 2 and a half years, and the 2 weeks spent together was a *very* spiritual experience for both of us, and it felt like a spiritual oasis, a time period in your life's path where one receives much strength, healing and means for growth and food for further journeying :) But of course, Marcie also showed me some of the area and its attractions, I liked Ohio a lot, and looks likely I will pay another visit in the months to come this summer, as we got many things left to do in our plans, on many levels :) I've been reading some of the emails on the list, trying to catch up where we're at. Rick, you, Margaret and your daughter are all in my warmest thoughts and prayers. I am wishing you all the most growing yet gentle experience. The biggest lessons we choose in life are often the same ones that may hurt most, but I am sure you will grab the lessons of this one soon and move on, as it sounds like things are progressing. May God be with you all. And that of course is true, all-ways :) Well I just wanted to write you a short e to let you know I am back :) I have lots going on this week, but will try to catch up reading the archives. I will also update the Archives page. JJ, would you be so kind to send me the emails you've sent to the list while I've been gone? The last one on the Archives page is called 'Classified Ads' and was sent by you on the first week of February, and the first email I received after I resubscribed was called 'Forgiveness' from yesterday. It's good to be back among y'all, I've missed ya and your bright presence! :D Much love from the finn dude, Samu Ps. Oh yes, and my birthday is March 4 1972, still young but already old, hehe Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3210 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: OT - Possible Attack of Darkness Marylin writes: "I can't say for sure, but maybe it's the biblical prophecies coming true and maybe it's a part of this millennium being so special that we now have visitors from other planets. At least that is what I have read about at pagpaw@wasi.net. Much interesting information there too. Net site is Planetary Activation Organization." Marilyn, we've ALWAYS had visitors from other planets - like you and me! And probably 75% of the people on this planet now came here from other planets. No big deal. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3211 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Woo-hoo!!! Samu!!! Welcome back Finn dude! I really must have missed you because I was really excited to see your name on the posting list! Glad you're home, safe and sound. JJ, thanks for the clarity on AMEN. I really liked the full meaning which you said was "may the words which have been spoken become manifest, but only to fulfill the purpose of God." I love word history. Thank you again. Love, Trace Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3212 From: John Kosior Subject: Re: RE: Something to help the flus "It's an herbal remedy called Enchineca." Just a point of clarity. This is called Echinacea. I too will swear by it, as it really does work. It is also available in a tea, which is really quite pleasant. Hope it helps. John Post No. keys-l: /1999-02024/3213 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: New pic in our Photo Album Key Folks, :) I've placed a picture of Jerry Harris in our ever-growing photo album :) Please drop by at http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html and if your picture is not there yet, please consider sending it to me! Don't be shy, it's wonderful seeing the faces behind the warm letters on the list, first you get to know the inner beauty, and then you see the outer reflection! wow! :) Love ya guys! Hugs and smiles to y'all, it is g'nite from me, Sammy-man :) Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3214 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: RE: Something to help the flus Hi Jennifer, Well that's a kick in the head for you, I had started taking Echinecia just before I got sick but I didn't take as many as you have. I think you have to take some things for a while before they "take effect" or help. I must be in worse shape than I thought. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3215 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Back is where I am :) HEY! HE'S BACK! Welcome back, Samu! You were missed by me! I'm happy you had a good trip and all went well. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3216 From: Brian Weis Subject: More on Echinacea Just a quick note since I see that Echinacea is getting some notice here.... You really only need about 100mg of echinacea PER DAY. For most brands, that is one pill. Echinacea stimulates your own body's immune system (in particular, it tells your glands, "Hey, get pumping!"). If you take too much, your body is in a constant state of stimulus and it won't be able to identify when you actually need the extra kick. All you need is a touch -- a GENTLE touch -- to keep your immune system alert and functional. Hope that helps. Health and Happiness to all of ya! ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-23/3217 From: Marilyn Maple Subject: Re: New pic in our Photo Album Samu, I just tried to look at Jerry's picture and all I got was funny looking letters. You might want to try to scan it again. So glad you're back----how was your trip? Tell us all about it after you're rested. Namaste, Mare Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3218 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Back is where I am :) Samu, Great to see you back again. Sounds like you had a great time. Yes, I just got back on too and ready to move on (up). I am not hurt or angry, oddly enough. I managed to keep my focus on God and He is working miracles. Makes me think of this; If a person elevates their consciousness to where they no longer feel pain, because they do not inhibit change, then wouldn't they also stop feeling gladness, at least the gladness that most are now familiar with. With a balanced view, life's ups and downs would all smooth out. And so we would find a new kind of gladness, an inner joy that comes with smooth sailing on any sea. I've had a taste of it, from time to time, and I want more. ODDS ARE IN YOUR FAVOR The odds are in your favor You're gonna get there sooner or later Whatcha mean, to me you say at first Well, I guess by now you've felt the thirst That is to say, the time will come When you'll be feeling we all are One And you'll be wanting to know What's going on Are you getting a message Or being put on And when you come to the fork in the road Will you take the right path, or fail the goal I wish I could help you sail your boat But I've got mine to keep afloat But the odds are in your favor You're gonna get there sooner or later Thank you to all the FOLKS for sending all the light. I love you all, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3219 From: Rick Audette Subject: Latest list Hi again, Just took a few moments to update our list. Lots of new members. Welcome to the family. It's nice to get to know each other better, so I provide this list of names, e-mail addresses, geographic locations and birthdays. Look down the list. If I am missing anything about you, won't you please write and fill us in. Your faithful list operator, back on duty, Rick Keysters list 2/24/99 Adrian Bradley United Kingdom Angela Buffalow Angela Hughes Anni Ida West Denmark AntonioJosephMartin Aroonas Asyerra D'Jinn Atif Ahmad Roome BEN THOMAS Becky Priddy Becky Ryan Palestine, TX Benjamin Tang Betty L. Norem [March 1] Panama City, Florida Brian S. Weis Bucks County, PA Brian Loehr CariD Sacramento, CA Carmen Cuadra Connecticut Carole Jarrett Carolyn Elaine Mille.. Clive culbertson N.Ireland Colin Walker D. Dailey daniel kweku olufemi David Curtis Salt Lake City, Utah David Goddard United Kingdom David Smith David Teller New York,NY debs Desiree van Dijk Netherlands Diane Linen [November 21] Austin,TX Dot Dr.E.L.Damasco Philipines Else Zaboski Estrellia Sheran Garrett Ward [September 9] Flagstaff, Arizona Gary Richards Australia Gay Avice du Buisson Gene Latimer Glenys Lowery [sept 1] Wellington, NZ Harald Schmidt Irja Foley Ireland Isabelle [April 5 Mississipi Isabelle Charette Ottawa,Canada J. David Stacy June Collier Elk Creek, VA Jacquelyn Walters James Austin Harrison Bartlett, TN James Bryan [june 6] (TwinStorms)New Kensington, Pa. James T. Lee Jennifer Hampson Australia Jennifer Dale Dillar... Jennifer Hardin [June 25] Irving,TX Jerry Ann Spruill Milwaukee, WI. Jerry L. Harris [June 22] Tucson,AZ Jill O'Hara Joel cocks Australia John E. Conner John M Kosior [July 2] Jose M. Paredes Jose Quinones NYC Brooklyn Joseph Darwin Stevens LIMA,Ohio Joseph J. Dewey [feb 6] Boise, Idaho Julie Visser Australia Justin Brethorst Kirk & Louann Sorensen Kam Baya Karen Surface Hillsville, Va. Karla Kathryn Marie Wilson Kathy gucciardi Katrina Phillips kemal "rsdemir Kevin Shannon [September 28] Federal Way,Washington,USA Kitty Chastain Klaus J Joehle Kyle Kissmann (Hartill Dorm) NC lanezach Larry Brady LeLona Hodges [june 13] WICHITA,KANSAS Levan Shoshiashvili Lia Duggin Linda E Lisa Folk [July 26] Taylor,BC,Canada Liz Montville Lois Smith Lynette McCauley Brisbane,Queensland,Australia Lynne Giles NE Tennessee Manuel Marques Margaret Eldridge Plano,TX Maria da Conceicao L Marilyn H. Braunig Marilyn A. Maple [June 19] Phoenix, Arizona Mark Harney Mary Dodd Mary S H Lee Singapore Marylin A. Adams [September 21 Bonaire, GA Michelle Wilson M_IxChel Nina Smith Patricia Roach Patrick Shawn Murphy Penny Hughes Jacksonville, Florida Phillip Hertzke Polly Wainwright Proserp France Random Rastislav Strieska Bratislava SLOVAKIA Rene K. Mueller Rev. Stanley B. Jon... Richard E. Audette [july 11] Plano,TX Richard Hoffman Rick Audette [july 11] Richardson,TX Robert Byrd Robin bryant [Feb 22] Cottonwood, AZ Roger Earnshaw Clarendon South Australia Ron Wallachy [October 20th] Portland Or. Ruth Byrd Lubbock,TX Samu Karlsson [march 4] Porvoo,Finland Sanna Hanskala Chapel Hill, North Carolina Sebastian Schadler Germany Shamus webb Shania Nelson Shantul Nigam Sharon Jorgenson [March 13] 50m E. of Dallas,TX Sharri Lorraine Seattle, Washington sheridan.j.le.Fanu Steven E. Graves Steve Mark Arlington,TX Susan Suzan Griffith T.farris Huntsville, Alabama Terrance R. Brennan Milwaukee,Wisconsin terrie rosenthal Toru Yamachika Tracey Hobson [October 20th] LosGatos,CA Trish Vicky Atherton Bradford, UK White Light wolfgang matthews [April 8] Ockham, United Kingdom Xavier doll?ans Paris,France Yvonne Pisz zolo Y. Total 142 members Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3220 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: New pic in our Photo Album Mare (love that name, makes me think of our Moon and her seas:) wrote: "Samu, I just tried to look at Jerry's picture and all I got was funny looking letters. You might want to try to scan it again." Yes, Jerry said he experienced the same thing the first time he clicked on his name, but on the second click it came out ok. Why this is so, I have no clue. If anybody has an idea, I'd appreciate dropping me a line. I don't seem to have any problem viewing Jerry's pic. I really appreciate you letting me know if there's any problems with the pages. I also have a question, because I noticed that when I went to the Archives page of JJ's posts, the background of the clickable numbered posts was the same as the far background, that greenish color, when it really should be looking like white marble. This was when I was surfing on Marcie's puter, and I haven't had that same problem here at home. Anybody else? And hey guys, big thanks for the warm welcome back! You make my aura tickle from bright colors and give me a feeling of being embraced. And that's just one of the reasons I love you Folks! :D Yay! Wishing All a wondrous day filled with laughter, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3221 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Highest Service Back to the question that every true seeker sooner or later deals with: "How can I best serve?" Those who are not yet ready for true service ask a different question. He who is yet in the ego will ask: "What can I do that appears to be service but will draw the most attention toward me and give me the recognition that I deserve?" Of course they will not vocalize these words to themselves but such is the language of the heart of many. The true server echoes the words of Spock: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." As the aspirant nears discipleship he or she will acquire a great desire to serve to the best and highest of his ability, but he finds that the only ones with an exact answer of what to do seems to be the "false prophets" of the world. These false teachers have all kinds of plans for his willing heart, but do not satisfy the soul. What to do. The server feels a little like Dave who had to make a random choice in order to reach heaven or hell, for no specific knowledge seems to come down the pipeline with his marching orders. If the seeker is not sure of the path to take he can do one of two things: (1) Nothing, like the two who stayed behind in the parable or (2) make a DECISION and go with it. "But," asks the seeker, "what if my DECISION is wrong?" This worry often produces a paralysis. At this point it is best to keep one of my favorite quotes in mind: "Indecision is worse than the wrong decision." Could this statement really be true? Yes, as long as the decisions are made with a pure heart. If you are sincere and make the wrong decision then it will only be a short while before you discover your mistakes and start correcting them. Then as you progress and correct it will only be a short while before you pass by those who did not act at all because of fear. In the parable it seemed as if Dave made the worst of all decisions, but he proceeded forward with sincerity, making corrections as he could. Then it was not long before he finished his round of evolution and proceeded on toward a greater unknown before the others in his group. How can you best serve? Look at the landscape of the work that needs done and make the best DECISION you can about the part that you will play and move forward with all your strength. If you have a degree of soul contact listen to the inner voice as you work. If you are working in the right direction you will sense a feeling of approval from your Higher Self. If you have chosen incorrectly you will feel conflict within yourself. Maybe you have chosen something that seems holy and good, but still you feel unsettled within. If you perceive that you are doing something wrong, then change direction for a while and see how you now feel. If you then feel a sense of rightness and peace the change was in the right direction. You must examine what you were doing and compare it with your new direction and analyze why the Higher Powers are guiding you on this new path. Eventually, as an accepted disciple, you will tune in to the PURPOSE of God as it applies to this little planet and have a sense as to your part in its application. You may receive inspiration, knowledge and some guidance, but your own power of discernment and DECISION will always play a large part in how you will apply yourself. We could write a book on this important subject, but to sum it up in a nutshell we could give this advice: Choose - Contemplate - Work like hell. Now lets go to Tracy's question to God. "I guess right now I'd probably ask God exactly what it is that I have done (in past lives perhaps, or this one) that is making this life so unbearably difficult." It would be nice to just be given the raw facts about why things that happen to us come upon us as they do. Since few of us ever get the black and white answers to this we need to look at the principle(s) that will give us some light. If we cannot remember what our past lives were or what negative things we have done to generate Karma then how could we possibly find out what harmful past deeds we are presently paying off and how to accomplish this. Then if we discover that we do have a large dept to pay how can we accelerate the payment of that debt so we can free our hands for greater service? Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3222 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: Commandments and AMEN "The current pronunciation of AMEN is a corruption. Any use of it should begin with the AUM sound." Thanks so much JJ for the interpretation. Years ago I had been told that amen meant "so be it". If the current pronunciation is a corruption, no wonder, when I said a prayer for my very hyperactive son years ago, things seemed to go wrong for him. It got to the point that I stopped saying the prayers to prevent bringing more problems on him. Thanks also for the explanation of the commandments. I'm not sure what to think or feel about all of this feeling like "food" for me. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3223 From: "Karen Surface" Subject: Re: The Highest Service JJ Wrote: "Back to the question that every true seeker sooner or later deals with: "How can I best serve?" Those who are not yet ready for true service ask a different question. He who is yet in the ego will ask: "What can I do that appears to be service but will draw the most attention toward me and give me the recognition that I deserve?" Of course they will not vocalize these words to themselves but such is the language of the heart of many." Having asked the question of how to serve for several years, it was only recently, after reading the Books that I recognized the difference between serving with a pure heart and appearing to serve for the benefit of my Ego. Maybe some people don't have the struggle with Ego that I did, but mine was strong and the need for acceptance from those I thought important were the upper most objective. I have come to realize the truthfulness in JJ's words of getting started and listening to the inner self". That there is only one way to do true service and to accomplish what needs to be done, and that is to leave "the me" out of it and go with the heart. When in doubt as to direction, I shut up and listen to the Spirit, pay attention to what's going on around me and the people who are brought into contact with me and what they have to say. I now have a direction, the details are fuzzy, but the directions is there. Sometimes it's like walking a faint path in the forest, tracking a deer. I look for the signs, the markings. (no I do not hunt with a gun, I only hunt for my eyes), many times when I get close to the deer, I stop and listen. Seems to be the same thing in looking for the direction my service is to take. I continue to do battle with my Ego, but it's getting easier. I pray a lot, a have lots of conversations with God, swallowed my pride and realized that if I was to do any good during this lifetime,I couldn't do it alone. Love and Light, Y'all, karen icq26771119 Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3224 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: OT - Possible Attack of Darkness LeLona writes: "Marilyn, we've ALWAYS had visitors from other planets - like you and me! And probably 75% of the people on this planet now came here from other planets. No big deal." Thanks LeLona. I was hedging as I have learned the hard way (here in the bible belt) not to bring up such things as life on other planets. We live 10 miles from an air force base and people are afraid to talk about such things it seems. Except one Sergeant my daughter introduced me to before she retired, who immediately told me that he was from Mars. Everyone else thought he was joking and he let it go, but I have wondered ever since. Crazy, maybe, but then, who knows. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3225 From: Betty Norem Subject: Welcome back, Rick & Samu I just wanted to say welcome back to both Rick & Samu - we've missed you!! Sorry I'm a little late, but I have had some sadness in my family this past 2 weeks - my elderly aunt passed on at 86 years old. She was the last of my mother's siblings so that generation of my immediate family are all gone on now - which makes me a part of the 'older generation' now. Anyway, welcome home, Rick & Samu, and also welcome to any new members I've missed acknowledging lately! Love & Blessings, Betty Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3226 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Re: The Highest Service JJ writes: "Indecision is worse than the wrong decision. Could this statement really be true? Yes, as long as the decisions are made with a pure heart. If you are sincere and make the wrong decision then it will only be a short while before you discover your mistakes and start correcting them." Oh, JJ, I wonder if truer words were ever spoken! I know first hand that this is true from a really sick situation I created in my 20's (over 10 years ago). I had left my husband, for what I thought were valid reasons. But I felt enormously guilty because I had vowed "until death us do part." Plus I started seeing someone else, just to complicate matters... so for 3 years, yes, 3 whole years, I went back and forth, so selfishly, between these two men (and they let me, can you imagine???). I could not decide on who I REALLY wanted to spend my life with, Mr. Fun or Mr. Responsible. The pressures of a job I was in plus the guilt I felt about what I was doing plus budding alcoholism added up to my first real suicide attempt. So this doctor told me, you have to make a once-and-for-all, no-looking-back decision on who it's going to be. I chose Mr. Responsible. In less than 2 years we had split up (and I am still friendly with Mr. Fun!). So I had made the wrong decision but it wasn't life changing - it was, however, liberating. (I'm so glad I can tell you guys these things and be honest here. What a gift!) JJ writes: "Then if we discover that we do have a large dept to pay how can we accelerate the payment of that debt so we can free our hands for greater service?" I'm afraid I'm going to be no help here. And the odd thing is I used to know or I read somewhere what seemed to me a valid way to burn bad karma faster (like the fast track outa trouble!). I cannot for the life of me recall what it was, so I sure hope you'll give us a clue, JJ! Hugs, Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3227 From: Sharon Jorgenson Subject: OT: Echinacea not for everyone No one has yet mentioned Eat Right For Your Type by Dr. Peter J. D'Adamo. Echinacea is one of many foods/herbs he has tested in the laboratory for blood type compatibility. He lists this herb as an avoid for those with type O blood, neutral for type B, and highly beneficial for types A and AB. On a personal note, I completely rid myself of morning arthritis in my hands by eliminating chicken from my diet (type B). An excellent book for discovering hidden food allergies that may be weakening your immune system. SharonJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-25/3228 From: Clive Culbertson Subject: Re: off topic Dear Folks, just have to say what a wonderful bunch of people you are. Glad to be on the list even if I don't contribute very much. And Rick, it's only when we've been through the worst that we know how good the good the good times really are. Sometimes I think the powers that be like to remind us all of that. Hang in there and may The Great Ones bless and guide you and Margaret. Love to all, Clive. Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3229 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: The Highest Service JJ writes: "Then if we discover that we do have a large dept to pay how can we accelerate the payment of that debt so we can free our hands for greater service?" Make double or triple payments......! Seriously, I think I recall that situation in the Book, and John stated that payment of debts get paid off faster by service. But I must add that service is something I've looked into doing for several years, and sometimes I've helped in food lines, Big Sisters program, contributing money to charitable organizations, prayers for others in prayer chains, etc. etc. etc., and none of those felt like they were of "real service", as I still felt lacking. I think the effort did accelerate payment of debt, or at least something did, because I feel like I had so much debt to pay back that I'd never get it all paid, but I think it got paid somehow. Actually, I think what accelerated the payment the most, at least for me, was forgiving myself. Truly. I have found it easy to accept that God has forgiven me, because He sees stuff all the time, and to Him it's probably no big deal. But to me it was a big deal, so it was harder for me to forgive myself. The way I see it, there is never enough serving others to repay past debts, because while you're at that you're building more debts along the way, and it just never ends. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-24/3230 From: Garrett Ward Subject: OT: Echinacea Bad? A lot of talk about this herb lately. I never heard of it before you folks mentioned it here on the list. I'm not a doctor, and I do not play one on television. Here is a small excerpt from a news clip I read today. If you want to read the entire article, it is at http://www.sightings.com/health/ech.htm "A study published in the journal of Fertility and Sterility suggests that high doses of echinacea, ginko and St. John's Wort can damage reproductive cells, can stop sperm from fertilizing eggs and might damage eggs and sperm." Like I said, I know nothing about echinacea. If you are planning on having children it may be worth looking into. Bones Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-25/3231 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: off topic Hi Clive, Thanks for writing. I am so glad that everyone sends love and light to Margaret too. She can sure use it. I just visited your web page. Love your taste in music. If you're ever in Texas, we'll have to jam. Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-25/3232 From: J J Dewey Subject: Healing The Body I don't think I joined in the chorus in welcoming Samu back to the fold. You were really missed. It's also gratifying to see Rick posting again. By the way, I'll send you those postings shortly, Samu. Thinking of our friends rejoining us makes me see this group as a correspondence to a living body. For the time being, we have our arms and legs in place again so we can go forward again in maximum health. A short time ago I talked briefly about handling negativity and I would like to expand on this as it relates to our group as a body. The physical body stays healthy when the positive life force circulates freely and reaches all the parts of the whole. On the other hand, the body becomes unhealthy when the energy is blocked or is invaded by germs or a virus that is allowed to multiply. Negativity in a group such as ours corresponds on a higher level to germs and viruses that invade the physical body. Now don't get me wrong, I am not blaming any single person or persons. I have grumbled about my bad days so I am as guilty as the rest of you. Now just as the physical body is exposed daily to many germs and viruses and usually does not get ill, even so can we be exposed to many negative thoughts and ideas yet remain impervious to their effects. There is a point, however, when we allow the negativity to be fed with our energy that it begins to take upon itself a life of its own in the group just as does a disease in the body. This is what happened to us a short time ago. I can't really say the point where it began except that we as a group at a point in time became infected, and after this happened it seemed to many in the body that each of us was a target for the Dark Brothers. Now there is a possibility that the Dark Brothers are aware of this group and sent a charge of energy to infect it, but on an individual basis it is very unlikely that we are being attacked. The Dark Ones are limited in the amount of energy they can direct, as are the Brothers of Light, so they have to be selective with it and reserve their attacks for individuals or groups who are attempting to make change that will effect thousands. In most cases negativity is caused by our own thoughts and feelings. In our case the cause was extended to the entire group (speaking collectively) with the possibility of a charge of energy sent to the whole from an outside source. Once a group such as ours becomes infected the individual members who are affected will seem to undergo events and happenings that seem beyond the possibility of any law of averages and when these testimonials are circulated the negative energy is then given greater life and even greater phenomenon seem to occur. The solution: First let us remember the old adage that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." To prevent any future infection we do not have to go into denial or never mention anything negative. You may still catch me saying something like "what a day I have had - there must be a full moon..." It is rarely a good idea to go the extreme route on any subject. The thing we want to watch out for is not the casual statement about the flu, or a bad day, but we must avoid circulating the idea that there is something negative going around as if it will only be a matter of time before others will be taken by it. What this does is focus the attention of other group members on the expectation that "something wicked this way comes." We often then bring into our lives that which we look for, or put our ATTENTION on. A key for prevention is to always have the major part of our attention on the positive things that may be around the corner. If negativity happens in the present we must not deny it, but see it for what it is and deal with it. Then we must focus on the positive things we are expecting and hoping for in our lives. When we find that members are suffering because of too much circulation of negative force one of the greatest powers for healing is attrition. Attrition in this case is "the gradual diminution in number or strength because of natural disintegration" because no one is feeding the negative with an energy supply. In the end negative energy will die a certain death if it is not fed. So just as we are told to "starve a cold," we must also starve the negative when it gets out of control. Since I have given my last post on this subject I notice that members have been complying to this and have been more careful about their posts. Notice that since we have been starving the negative that Rick is now back with us. Then in no time comes back Samu, who is bound to have tons of positive input, so I would guess that healing is on its way. This does not mean that all negativity will just suddenly disappear from our lives, but I'll bet that overall we are going to see some improvement. To keep our group body healthy we must apply similar methods as we do to our physical bodies. Here are some suggestions. (1) Fresh air. Do something different every now and then, maybe something fun you have not done for a long time or better yet something entirely new. (2) Sunshine: Focus on the inner self where lies the light of the soul. When light comes darkness cannot be found. Say the Song on a regular basis. (3) Good food. Read good books, think good thoughts, associate with good friends, give and receive. (4) Drink pure water - Give and receive the highest love that you can conceive of. To further nourish our body let us focus our attention on the positive in this way. Let us invite members of the group to tell us about good things that have happened in your lives recently. I'll bet if you think of it that we all have a lot of blessings to count. I have something good to start things rolling. I just saved this article about one second before my computer crashed. You may not be reading this if not for my good fortune. Now was this good luck or was it partially due to the fact that my mind was focused on the positive as I was writing this? You never know. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-25/3233 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Healing The Body JJ writes: "I have something good to start things rolling. I just saved this article about one second before my computer crashed. You may not be reading this if not for my good fortune. Now was this good luck or was it partially due to the fact that my mind was focused on the positive as I was writing this" Good thing to start rolling. Actually,_ I have had things happen but I don't see them as an attack from the dark side. My car is in the shop getting a new transmission. Probably $1400. before it's out. Hey, it's a Caddy, and parts cost more. But, no big deal. I have the money to pay cash for it. And parts wear out. I don't see that as an attack from the dark side, it's just that the transmission wore out. It will be replaced. That's what I meant when I said it's how one looks at things, whether the focus is negative or positive. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-25/3234 From: Rick Audette Subject: Something good this way comes True, true, Throughout my "ordeal" I had a prevailing sense of calm and light. I was not bothered by being in jail, sat there and aumed and felt I was better off then those that were my guards. As soon as one person knew what happened, I was on my way out. Once out, everyone rallied in support of me and all are glad to see that my life is improving. There were several "coincidence" that make it look like God is in there pulling strings for me. Oh sure, there are the moments now and then when I feel a twinge of anger rising, but I catch myself each time and say NO this is not how I decide to feel and it goes away, for lack of being fed. Overall, I'd have to say, I've had a pretty good week, even if I was star of a soap opera. At least I knew it was all just a TV show and the "real" me was being enlightened and entertained. Love your enemies, it'll drive them nuts. Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-25/3235 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Something good this way comes Yeah, and did I fail to mention that my Caddy has 163,000 miles on it and this is the first major problem it's had? And did I fail to mention that 3 years ago I bought a Jeep just in case the Caddy started having problems? Disgusting, isn't it? :) :) :) LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-25/3236 From: Tracey Hobson Subject: Re: Healing The Body JJ said: 'We often then bring into our lives that which we look for, or put our ATTENTION on.' Reminds me of a line in a Jackson Browne song (The Fuse, I think): It's whatever it is you see, that life will become. JJ also wrote: "To further nourish our body let us focus our attention on the positive in this way. Let us invite members of the group to tell us about good things that have happened in your lives recently." I'll bet if you think of it that we all have a lot of blessings to count. As Jim Carrey once said: Alrighteeee then! I am full of it this morning! I have been noticing, for starters, that the AUM sound I make before and after saying the song really, really, really makes me feel so very much more connected to all of you. It's a trip, I tell ya. An absolute trip! Why I didn't start doing this earlier is beyond me. It makes a huge difference. So that's one good thing. Also, I think I may be falling in love (which actually feels like falling - like I left my stomach 3 feet up in the air). His name is AJ (AJ, JJ, things are gettin' confusing!). He is 9 years younger than I (imagine!) and is so handsome that I never thought he'd notice me. But he has a light in his eyes. And he's very sweet, a really nice guy. I feel extraordinarily vulnerable, and yet protected at the same time. I'd bet that you have all felt that way at one time or another. Anyway, being that my heart has been locked down for the last three years, this is a very happy, exciting and exhilarating time for me. Que sera, sera. And the sun is beginning to shine more. Flowers are blooming. That has got to be a good thing. It makes me happy anyway. Oh, and I got a small raise a couple of weeks ago. So that's cool. Anyway, I'll probably have more later. Thanks for asking JJ! Happy trails, Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-26/3237 From: Clive Culbertson Subject: Re: Affirmations Dear Friends, Among the teachings of the Sadhana Society in Arizona I was given a wonderful affirmation which I use daily; "I am filled with Divine Power. The Harmony that rules the Universe exists in me." There are days when that Harmony is really hard to find, but at least I now actively look for it and often find it. With regard to the Brotherhoods; I once asked a Rosicrucian Master what they were" Really" like. His answer amused me greatly. "The Great Black Brotherhood, they are not completely black; The Great White Brotherhood, they are not completely white; They are both a little grey." Having studied the work of both Brotherhoods I tend to agree with him. Love and Best Wishes, Clive. http://homepage.virgin.net/clive.culbertson Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-25/3238 From: Rick Audette Subject: [Fwd: Updating] Hi All, New members, Richard and Sharon, are internet newbies and sent their first post to the list to me, by mistake. I've sent them the list's address and am forwarding this post, to save them from having to re-type it. Love, Rick "Rick suggested we write to tell this grand group a bit more about ourselves. We moved here to Washington state 12 years ago (in March) from Houston, Tx. We are retired, Richard from General Motors, computer operator, me from full-time mother and several various jobs. I (Sharon) have been searching for answers, it seems my whole life. When I was 19 I would stand outside my apartment , staring up at a golden star and crying, wondering why I was here, and for how much longer. I was raised Episcopalian, very loosely, when I was confirmed, I started asking questions and was quickly told to have more faith and not question my betters, so I was pretty much an out-cast from that time on. Richard was raised Lutheran, rather strict and his Mother never really forgave me for her belief that I took him away from the church. 13 years ago we watched a video of Ramtha and for the first time I had answers and Richard just zoomed in on the road I had been walking forever. 11 years ago, we felt that it was time to forgo a guru and start putting the lessons we had learned into daily living. That is what we are doing now. We have a 20 acre farm in Arlington, Wa. Our oldest (35) and youngest (28) children (boys) live on the property with us, our daughter (middle) lives in Austin,Tx. On Nov.4th 1994 I survived a serious stroke, My left side was hit hard, but I can walk, kinda like Walter Brennen on the "Real McCoys" TV show, slow and with a limp, but I get there. (Thank God for a sense of humor especially when our 5 yr. Old granddaughter yanks my cane away, and says "catch me, granma") Richard had a surprise triple by-pass July 11th '98 (our oldest son's 35th birthday. He said we could have just given him a BIG check to make the day special . Hope this gives a fairly good picture of us. Love and light to each and everyone of you, Sharon & Richard ^I^ ^I^ Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3239 From: "Jennifer Hampson" Subject: Re: Digest No. 1999-02-25 of The Keys of Knowledge List Tracy, Just a comment on breaking your marital vow. Maybe "'til death do us part" does not refer to the physical death of one of the parties, but to the death of the relationship. Best wishes, Jennifer Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3240 From: J J Dewey Subject: Wedding Vows Jennifer brought up the interesting subject of marriage vows. The trouble with the vows as they exist today is that they are usually written by someone else. This causes you to make promises in someone else's words which is just another sign of the mark of the beast. I thought I would share with you the vows my wife and I took with each other on our wedding day. *I covenant to be one with you by ever seeking the One Spirit of God with you. *I covenant to be your faithful friend, (husband/wife) and lover so long as you are my faithful (husband/wife) and seek to fulfill soul purpose with me. I will always seek honest communication and will trust you with my vulnerability and openness. *I covenant to work toward balancing the energies of giving and receiving with you and will always seek to guide us as a unit toward greater light, freedom and unity. *I covenant to solve all differences we may have which may cause separation by seeking a resolution and confirmation through the Holy Spirit with you. *I covenant to channel and dedicate all my energies toward union with you and to the building of the Kingdom of God on the earth. Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-26/3241 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: The Highest Service "If we cannot remember what our past lives were or what negative things we have done to generate Karma then how could we possibly find out what harmful past deeds we are presently paying off and how to accomplish this." Then if we discover that we do have a large dept to pay how can we accelerate the payment of that debt so we can free our hands for greater service?" There are good reasons why it is best not to remember past lives, at least until one is more advanced. If you knew what you were expected to learn, you might tend to try to fake it and not truly ingrain the lesson. Or, You may learn that you were a mass murderer and give up all hope of ever being able to redeem yourself. As one becomes more advanced, the ability to make soul contact and remember past lives comes naturally. If you do not have this ability and rely on others, for information about your past lives, there is no guarantee of it's veracity. The one sure way to keep a balanced or positive karmic account is to ingrain the habit of always going the extra mile. Perform excess service to your fellowmen, with the idea of doing what is for the greatest good for all concerned. Unlike money, if you earn more good karma than you spend, you will eventually get ahead of the game. Where is everybody today. Surely somebody can call to mind a recent positive experience. It is, after all, TGIF. One, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-26/3242 From: Anni Ida West Subject: A good experience ... or more :-)) Hi everybody Oh yes - good things are happening. Today the sun was shining here in Denmark after many rainy days. It felt like spring and I loved it :-)) Also a few days ago I finally got "The Immortal" Book 1+2. I had been waiting impatiently for 3 weeks - what a happy day !! Also I found a very nice present for my best girlfriend's birthday - that made me very happy. And most important: 4 or 5 weeks ago I found all of you folks here and "The Immortal" and the song - what an extraordinary great experience. I am still high on that one :-)) Light and love to all of you! Anni Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3243 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: A good experience ... or more :-)) Congratulations Anni. You will absolutely love the book. I think that sometimes it's too easy to get caught up in the everyday dramas that affect our lives. I am making an effort to look for the positive in each day. I have known for a long time that my very thoughts affect my life and somehow forgot temporarily and neglected to remember to monitor my thoughts. For now on I will look for the silver lining in my life and overlook any tarnish that may try to get my attention. Love and light to all, Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3244 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: The Highest Service JJ asks: "If we cannot remember what our past lives were or what negative things we have done to generate Karma then how could we possibly find out what harmful past deeds we are presently paying off and how to accomplish this." "Then if we discover that we do have a large debt to pay how can we accelerate the payment of that debt so we can free our hands for greater service.?" If I may quote from the Immortal Book II, on page 220, in a chapter called "Krisis": (John is speaking) "...One of the reasons all of the apostles except Judas were willing to serve to the death was that Joshua showed us the debts we had accumulated from past lives. After this revelation was given to us we were horrified and downcast at the amount of suffering it would take to balance our accounts. He then showed us the importance of our missions and that, if we successfully completed our jobs and took advantage of the great opportunity offered us, we could pay off the debt of many lifetimes by helping many people in one lifetime." I think the key phrase to the above paragraph is "Joshua SHOWED US the debts". Big difference between SHOWING and merely TELLING. As Rick mentioned, having someone tell you about your past lives is not nearly as powerful as being shown. Yes, my recent ancestors were (and are) from the state of Missouri. For all of you outside the U.S., Missouri is known as the "Show Me" state. JJ answered Jerry's question to the all knowing master or God itself, "How can I face & heal my karma of the past & present and complete my Divine Plan ASAP?" with this: "The principle behind this answer is very close to Tracy's question. First you apply the principle that reveals karma then you can see how to work it out." So...my question to JJ is, what is the principle that reveals karma? Garrett Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3245 From: J J Dewey Subject: Cause and Effect My suggestion to post about positive things in ours lives seems to have been a bomb. There were several good ones, but I expected a lot more. Maybe you guys are having a harder time than I thought, but if Rick can make a positive post after all that he's gone through who could possibly have an excuse? On the positive/negative idea let me add one more thing. Let me remind the group to not go to either extreme. Even though we want to emphasize the positive we also want to be aware if anyone is having troubles to which the group can give support and possibly help. For instance, if someone takes ill and feels they want the prayers or meditations of the group don't hesitate to mention this. The main negative we want to avoid is the expectation of the negative around the corner. This type of thinking diverts our attention from the good the beautiful and the true. The most recent question under discussion was from Tracy. Let me refresh our minds: "I guess right now I'd probably ask God exactly what it is that I have done (in past lives perhaps, or this one) that is making this life so unbearably difficult." It would be nice to just be given the raw facts about why things that happen to us come upon us as they do. Since few of us ever get the black and white answers to this we need to look at the principle(s) that will give us some light. If we cannot remember what our past lives were or what negative things we have done to generate Karma then how could we possibly find out what harmful past deeds we are presently paying off and how to accomplish this? Then if we discover that we do have a large dept to pay how can we accelerate the payment of that debt so we can free our hands for greater service? Most people who want to know about their past lives are very desirous of discovering some facts about it, like names, dates places etc. Many expect to discover they were someone famous or accomplished, even though they may not have demonstrated any talent that could make them famous or accomplished in this life. Rick spoke the truth when he said that we lose our memory of past lives for a reason. After we learn a particular lesson on our journey through the wheel of rebirth our soul then guides us to a circumstance where we are forced toward a new lesson. If we retained a memory of all the outer knowledge of our last lesson we would want to return to that niche as life would be much easier. It is said that the Buddha when he reached enlightenment was able to review all of his past lives. Until we reach that stage we may discover some of our past or parts may be revealed for some purpose. It is possible to get some information through hypnosis, but much information retrieved by this method is filled with illusion and not reliable The only way to know for sure is to have the information verified through soul contact. So let us say we you not the Buddha, nothing has been given to you and hypnosis has revealed nothing concrete. What principle can we look toward for knowledge of our past? First we have to look at this subject from the higher point of view of the soul. Under normal conditions the soul is not concerned that you become aware of names, dates and places of your past lives, but it is interested that you register in some way a sense of the debt that (from past mistakes) you are supposed to repay in this life. It also wants you to receive a sense of the pain you caused to others in the past so your mistakes will not be repeated. In addition to this your soul wants you to retrieve certain abilities, talents and knowledge of principles that you have mastered in the past. So what do we do to retrieve what is necessary for effective use in this current life? The principle to look at here is the law of cause and effect. You created certain causes in past lives and the effects are working out in this one. Let us say that you were unfaithful to your spouse in a past life. To understand that feeling you will have to be placed in a situation where your spouse will be unfaithful to you. Therefore, if your current partner is bringing you pain or is unfaithful this will give you a clue as to the nature of a cause you put in motion before this life. When life seems so difficult that we are tempted to look at the skies and as the question: "Why me, God?" That is a sign that you are supposed to examine the current circumstances of your life and put two and two together to get a feeling as to the original cause of your problem. Go as far as you can by relating the current circumstances with the possible cause and then pray, meditate and contemplate on these things. As you do this you will get impressions that will help your understanding. You may not get specific names but you will get a general direction you must follow to right the wrongs that you have done and the enormity of what you have to deal with. How can we accelerate the payment of our debt from past lives? The scriptures say that "love covereth a multitude of sins." Let us expand on this. Love expressed through service repays the sins of the past much faster than you as an individual suffering alone can ever do. The greater the service you perform the more your negative Karma will be reduced. There are various types of service available. (1) Basic service. This is where we fulfill our basic responsibilities to our families, friends, church and state. (2) Intermediate service. Here we go beyond the basics and seek to serve others beyond our inner circle. You may do work for charities, community service, a benevolent group or in some way that helps to benefit a large number of people. (3) Advanced Service. This is service that relates to the teaching of spiritual principles in some way and releases spiritual energy that will assist others on the ultimate journey. This type of service is especially powerful in lifting past karma. We've spent a lot of time illustrating what a principle is and how it differs from a fact. This is an important point because principles are the language of the Holy Spirit. Just as words are the units of expression in our world even so are principles the words and language of the higher kingdoms. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3246 From: J J Dewey Subject: New Question One of the most important principles we will ever understand is Key One as revealed in The Immortal books One and Two. Let us see if the first key was really absorbed. The Question was WHO OR WHAT AM I? We all know that the key word in answer to this question was DECISION. But this key word is really just a major hint as to the answer. What is the true answer to the question, what are you really? JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3247 From: "Lisa Folk" Subject: RE: New Question I am going to give this a go. Is it What I decide to be? "One of the most important principles we will ever understand is Key One as revealed in The Immortal books One and Two. Let us see if the first key was really absorbed. The Question was WHO OR WHAT AM I?" "We all know that the key word in answer to this question was DECISION. But this key word is really just a major hint as to the answer. What is the true answer to the question, what are you really? JJ" Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3248 From: "Karen Surface" Subject: Re: Cause and Effect JJ and Everyone, There are good things and experiences all around me. I am one of those, very much at one with the Earth Mother, and find the miracles and wonderments in her each day, if I will only remove my head from up my rear end and look and give thanks. Thanks for the sun, snow rain, clouds, warmth, and cold, all here for a reason at their appointed times. Friends, doing the best they can, even if their beliefs aren't like mine, they are there when I need help, and I try to follow my pledge to help them. Much good, much right. I love to watch the hawks and know they were here long before me, and wonder what their generations have seen. I cut down a dead white oak tree for wood and counted it's circles and lost track after 256 years. I could see the years of plenty and the years of little, but still the Oak Tree continued to continued. I would like to think that realizing the amount of Karmic debt I owed and the reasons for it would mean my journeys here were almost through, but is not the case. Everyday, every life is a new adventure and an opportunity to serve. I realize that is my point in personal spiritual evolution now. Knowing that gives a bit of peace as the direction begins to show itself. I can now be thankful for the lessons I've learned in darkness and in Light and use them for the greater Good. Done rambeling, Love and Light, karen Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3249 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: New Question Hi JJ "I am consciousness". Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3250 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: The Highest Service Rick wrote: "There are good reasons why it is best not to remember past lives, at least until one is more advanced. If you knew what you were expected to learn, you might tend to try to fake it and not truly ingrain the lesson. Or, You may learn that you were a mass murderer and give up all hope of ever being able to redeem yourself." Hi Rick Past lives are sometimes revealed to us in dreams. Unless we keep a record of our dreams, they are most often forgotten and we miss a lesson that is being given to us by our higher selves. It's the determining whether a dream is of a tension release, precognitive or memory type (I think I have missed one type) and then the understanding that only comes from within. I have had a few memory dreams that I didn't understand to be memory dreams for some years after. But I do know how I have died several times as each had some effect on this incarnation. I was born with an extreme fear of fire that I became aware of when I was only 4. A friend and I had gotten hold of a wooden match and standing on a wooden walkway facing a garden. We talked about who was going to "light" the match and I finally reached down and scratched it on the wood, it flamed (so I thought) way over my head and I threw the match into the garden.. To this day, I still see the garden in flames and as a wall of fire inches from my face. By the way, I was 14 before I was finally forced by my dad (bless his heart) to take hold of a match and light it. I no longer have the fear of fire, but I do have a healthy sense of caution. I know this has nothing to do with The Highest Service except to hope it might be of help to another. Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3251 From: Anni Ida West Subject: Re: New Question Without having read Book 2 I'll have a go: "I am a creator" Love and light to all Anni Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3252 From: (Richard/ Sharon) Subject: Blessings in every situation Hopefully, this will not sound too pollyanna-ish, but ever since my stroke in '94 when I was 54 years old, due to an irregular heartbeat. I now truly feel great gratitude every morning that I have another fresh, whole 24 hours to love and become who and what I desire to be. I bless my head that I may think only thoughts of love; I bless my eyes that I may see only love; I bless my mouth that I may speak only love and I bless my heart that I may feel only love. Probably in the very early days after my stroke, I wondered "Why, me?" but it was the most important event to ever come to me and I can now truly thank myself for the opportunity to be still and quite long enough to really listen. I rarely post to any list, because all others have much more enlightening observations, and we enjoy them so much. Thank you for your time, your love and your passion. Blessings, Sharon Hoffman Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3253 From: Robin Bryant Subject: Re: New Question Hi all, In answer to your latest question: I am composed of consciousness and energy, the same as is everything around and in me, and we are all God. We/I make decisions to have experiences which lead to an integration of my body of mass with the thought/image of God. This is accomplished by being aware of every thought that I have and it's effect on consciousness. I constantly make decisions of preference about what thoughts to have which create either expansion or contraction of that consciousness. This in turn effects my body and the entire universe, just as a drop of water falling into a pond. For example, I do not watch or read about any violence on TV or in the newspapers as just by viewing them, I create more of the same. As a result, my life is one of harmony and peace. I see the synchronicity of all life and how marvelous this creation is. I live in unconditional love and respect for the experience of all life. I used to do drugs just so I could experience what I considered the bliss that was possible that way. I didn't think I could do it myself. But I didn't like the experience of the day after when I came crashing down and felt that awful disrespect for my being. One day I discovered that I had a choice of what thoughts to think, and I decided to only think the thoughts that I wanted to think, the ones that made me feel good. Talk about discipline!! To examine every choice and every thought was quite a job, especially when I was confronted with anger or fear. But I persisted because I decided that I respected myself enough and that I was worth it. What I really am then, is intent, will, decision and the resulting creation, using my consciousness and the free energy available everywhere. Robin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-27/3254 From: Brian Weis Subject: More positive things Ooooops! I must have missed JJ's request for us to accentuate the positive AND then post positive events to the list..... :::::::sheepish grin:::::::::: So here is my list of positive happenings in my life! 1) My father returned home in January. He had been in Cleveland for a bone marrow transplant, and he is doing great. Should be on his Harley again in no time! 2) My sister is pregnant. Both she and the little bugger are doing well. I have no idea what she and her hubby might name her (yes, they know they are having a girl). But I am going to be an UNCLE. 3) The townhouse I was renting has been sold, but my fianc?e and I have not found a house of our own to buy.... BUT that is OK. I moved into her apartment and put about half of my stuff in storage. I'm storing it in the ground floor room of my friend's home...and he refuses to charge me for the space! By splitting rent and other expenses, my fianc?e (oh, her name is Sharon by the way), we are saving some extra $$, which will help with the whole house search thing. 4) I received a stellar review at the office, and got a raise. Now, the review was late, but it is retroactive back to October 2nd, so I will be receiving a nice bonus check!!! : ) 5) Sharon (now you know her name, there is no need to tag her with "my fiancee") was able to sell her old car and get the price she wanted. More importantly, the people who bought it are very happy and will take great care of it (Sharon was pretty attached to the car and wanted a good home for it). 6) Back to the move ..... The cat seems to be acclimating well, maybe even accepting my more regular presence. Could be an exorcism won't be necessary. :) 7) I just received my certificates, officially promoting me to Sandan (3rd Degree Black Belt) in both Kenpo and Kobujutsu. Plus my Sensei (instructor) has really been talking me up and accepting me more and more as his senior-most student. 8) Recently re-connected with some college friends (they helped me move), and we are going to keep in touch. In fact, Sharon and I are going to hang with Michelle and her fianc?e tomorrow. How's that for a good list?? Love to all of you! ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3255 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Feeling positive and grateful Key friends! :) First of all, thank you JJ for your warm and kind words :) Yes, I do try to keep things positive, I've found it to be The constructive path to beautiful things. It's that simple :) Since I returned from my trip I've been having an interesting and also in a way challenging time. It's a time of lot of changes, letting go of old and receiving new. I've spent a lot of time by myself, done a lot of contemplating. In a way I feel empty, and there's several reasons for this. It is a good kind of emptiness though, because I got rid of things within I no longer needed, which means I have room for much more, energies and qualities of higher kind. The 2 weeks I spent with Marcie I was on such a spiritual high and was introduced to such high new energies, that I am still getting used to this new 'place' and absorbing everything. It is like journeying into a new place and now finding out all the things there are. And I have to admit, I like it here :) I am especially grateful to Marcie for being who she is to me and showing me so many levels of love and giving. The depth of my gratitude is beyond words, and I will always cherish the connection we have. My grandpa passed on from this earthy dimension on Friday night. He was such a warm and courageous man, and I am really grateful for having him in my life. He was, well still is :)such a generous and giving soul. He lived a long and beautiful life, he would have been 90 in July. I'll always remember when I was just a little boy, we used to take long walks, he'd teach me names of flowers, plants and birds, he'd buy us ice creams and we'd sit by the river, sometimes silent, sometimes talking about whatever we felt like talking about. Sometimes he'd share stories of the time he served in WWII, fighting for our independence against Russia. He nearly died in that war. Grandpa, you're such a beautiful brave soul. Thank you for the time you shared with me, and all the things you thought me. I will really miss you. Yet I know you're always close, and I know you are very happy to be where you are now, with your loved ones who passed on before you. Yes, I can feel you around me. Thanks for that warm embrace, you make me smile thru these tears of deep gratitude. Always keep that warm loving smile on your face, grandpa. Just tonight when I was thinking about my life and all the things that have happened, where I am now and in anticipation of all the things coming my way, I really realized how blessed I am, in so many ways. 2 wonderful parents, who have always been there for me, even when I have experienced things that have been very hard for anybody else to understand, or when I have just behaved like a little kid (which I actually was:), I've always had their support. I am very grateful of all the things my diabetes has taught me. I've understood many things of my body, mind and emotions working as a whole, and the balance between the different parts of me as well as what I put in and what I give out. My diabetes taught me how to take care of myself and have respect for what and who I am. I am *extremely* thankful for all the people I have in my life, who teach me on so many levels in so many ways. Friends, family members, ex-girlfriends, co-workers, everybody I've been in touch with both in real life and on the internet, a big thank you :) And that which Is, Is forever. I've met my true love, my spiritual partner, who I love with all my heart and soul, unconditionally. Having all these miles between us can be a sucky Experience sometimes, yes true :), but I am also grateful for being aware enough to see the big picture of things and knowing why certain things are a certain way, why it needs to be so, and just to know You, beautiful being that you are, exist, gives Life a dimension that makes it extra special, and gives me good vibes and strength on daily basis. I am as thankful as can be, dear one :) You too are as close as can be, no matter how far away in 3d world. I am also really grateful for being able to be here right now and help others in these times. There are so many people who have been there for me time after time, lifetime after lifetime, and I want to be there for all of you. I want to make sure I do my best in helping everybody step in the New Age, while I am still learning all the time myself, I just wanna do whatever I can being the most loving being I can be, and hope I can help people realize who they really are, just like I've been reminded by so many. And the stubborn me is finally getting it :) Yes, and I am also thankful for my guides, and their understanding and patience :) Also I am thankful for seeing and hearing, all the many interesting things I have :) I actually find myself grateful for all the snow we've got here in Finland, even if I hurt my back while clearing the driveway :) We haven't had this much snow in 20 years, they say, in some places there's over 6 feet wintry white layer covering the ground. It's very beautiful, and makes the long and dark winter much more bearable :) Mmmm and I am really grateful that I know how to play guitar and understand harmonies. Oh and that big raise I got some weeks back was nothing bad either :) Yes and that Better Than Ezra cd I bought in Ohio simply rocks too! :D And after all these things, I don't think there can be anything better than a smile, a hug and a kiss from a loved one :) I am just grateful that I am here and now, with all of You. Life is Good :) And, we can make it even better. So let's get on with it, let's make some *real* Magic :D Together we are All One. Thanks for letting me share, Love ya Folks, Samu :) Ps. Brian, that's an impressive list, dude :) And oh yeah, I am thankful for seeing Kiss play live too :D Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3256 From: Betty Norem Subject: New Question J J Dewey writes: "One of the most important principles we will ever understand is Key One as revealed in The Immortal books One and Two. Let us see if the first key was really absorbed. The Question was WHO OR WHAT AM I?" We all know that the key word in answer to this question was DECISION. But this key word is really just a major hint as to the answer. What is the true answer to the question, what are you really?" We are who and/or what we are DECIDING to BECOME. Betty Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3257 From: J J Dewey Subject: Decision DECISION No one has answered the question of WHO OR WHAT AM I. Your comments have been good about what you as DECISION are becoming, but what we are looking at is the core answer. Why are you called DECISION? The answer is given in the IMMORTAL Book II chapter six. What is the eternal part of yourself that decides between the apple and the pear? JJ Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3258 From: Sharri Lorraine Subject: Re: Decision Spirit? Chapter 6 talks about BEing Spirit. I like to say, "I'm Spirit, Playing at BEing Human...." (Hi, I've been here, away, back, lurking...) {\@/} / \ * _\|/_ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Love & Light & Laughter Bubbles! :) :) Sharri Lorraine (all small case letters) http://www.skdesigns.com/internet/articles/healing/healing_keys.html *~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~*~^~* Since Everything in Life is Perfect in BEing what It Is, having nothing to do with Good or Bad, Right or Wrong, Acceptance or Rejection, I may as well burst out Laughing! >:-( (:-* :-) :-D --- Long Chen Pa --- <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> "Since I no longer think of reality as reality, what reason would I have to think of dreams as dreams?" ~~~ Japanese Master and Poet, Saigyo <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Love Relaxes, Releases, & Reflects Anything Unlike ItSelf. --Anonamous-- ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ ^i^ Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3259 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Decision Sharri Lorraine writes: "I am Spirit sounds good to me. I haven't re-read chapter 6 this morning, but I KNOW I am Spirit. I am certainly not the body, for it doesn't go with me from one life to the next, although many people associate themselves with the body. I guess if I were to body then it would have to be made of something other than the elements of which it is made in order to endure the many travels and never age or disease. Logic tells me I'm not the body." "What tells me I am Spirit? (Other than JJ's book). No, wait, don't tell me. I don't want to read the answer in a book, I don't want to be told I am Spirit, I want to KNOW I am Spirit. Hmmmm, the dictionary defines Spirit as "spiritus, breath....the life principle....the soul...the thinking, feeling part of man, mind; intelligence....life, will, thought....regarded as separate from matter....." and on and on." I agree with all of that definition, except "regarded as separate from matter", because matter has to be infused with Spirit in order for Spirit to animate matter, so I don't see Spirit separate from matter. I think, I know, I breathe, I feel, I live, I will. I AM SPIRIT. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3260 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Decision J J Dewey wrote: "DECISION" "No one has answered the question of WHO OR WHAT AM I. Your comments have been good about what you as DECISION are becoming, but what we are looking at is the core answer. Why are you called DECISION? The answer is given in the IMMORTAL Book II chapter six. What is the eternal part of yourself that decides between the apple and the pear?" The Mind. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3261 From: Betty Norem Subject: OPENING THE LOST TOMBS: LIVE FROM EGYPT ON MARCH 2, 1999 Hey Folks, I received this on the Cayce list - tho't ya'll may be interested. Love, Betty "http://www.foxworld.com/egypt/" FIVE-THOUSAND-YEAR-OLD MYSTERIES TO BE UNVEILED WITH OPENING THE LOST TOMBS: LIVE FROM EGYPT ON MARCH 2, 1999 AT 8PM EST EXCLUSIVELY ON FOX. First Live-On-Television Excavation On Egypt's World-Renowned Giza Plateau To Open Sealed Tomb Of The Unknown And The Queen's Pyramid; Also Nefer, The Oldest Mummy Ever Unearthed Expert Archeologists Dr. Gaballa Ali Gaballa and Dr. Zahi Hawass Featured Hosted by Maury Povich On Tuesday, March 2, 1999 (8:00-10:00 PM ET/PT), FOX, in an unprecedented alliance with the Government of the Republic of Egypt, will present the two-hour special event, OPENING THE LOST TOMBS: LIVE FROM EGYPT, the first-ever live broadcast of an archeological excavation on the Giza Plateau. "Since only 15% of Giza has been excavated to date, the potential for new discoveries is extremely high," commented Dr. Gaballa Ali Gaballa, Secretary General of the Supreme Council of the Egyptian Antiquities Organization. Marking the first time that exploration of Egypt's Old Kingdom monuments, which date back over 4,600 years, will be conducted on camera, FOX will take audiences on an exclusive adventure to otherwise inaccessible areas that are strictly off-limits to tourists and visitors." Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3262 From: Jerry L. Harris Subject: Re: Decision Good Sunday Morning to all: I've had fun trying to connect the dots and formed a string of beads to describe the journey through Creation; Sometimes described as traveling "from sense to Soul". Here's my shot at the DECISION question: I Am Consciousness/Mind, Becoming by DECISION through Discovering, Learning by Experience, Understanding & Conforming to Truth. Jerry Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3263 From: Rick Audette Subject: welcome home Hi Sharri, Welcome into the light of our family. And, did you know, you live just down the road from new members Richard and Sharon Hoffman. They live up in Arlington. Maybe y'all could get your own little discussion group going in Seattle. Your humble servant, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3264 From: Dave Curtis Subject: I'm concerned. JJ, I'm a little concerned about something. I feel I have come a long way in this life. While I obviously still have a long way to go, I still do not want to loose that which I've learned in this one. If I honestly spent a lot of time in this life paying off a huge chunk of my karmic debt, then die without completely paying off that debt, isn't it entirely possible I could come back as another Hitler and rebuild that debt 10 fold? If this is the case, is there some way to retain what I've learned in this life, so I never forget my original goal? Peace and Love, Dave Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3265 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Decision Hi All, I could no more name what I am than I could give God a name, but I'll give the question a go around. When I read what John said, in chap.6, I was amazed at how close it was to my own ideas about what we are. When God first became manifest, it was from within. To "BE" implies not only from within, but also that which can be perceived as being, from without. This "outside" view of being is the reflection of God. If we think of this "being" God as a spiral of energy, it's infinite reflection would be a counter rotating spiral, coming back in on the first spiral. These two spiral would then meet each other at an infinite number of points in space. Wherever they meet, they create little eddies, which would be mirror duplicates of the original, only smaller in scale. Whenever two eddies meet they will begin to circle each other in a direction counter to their own spin, much like the strands in a twisted rope. In essence, the form a new eddy, which now spins in the same direction as the main spiral. These twin eddies then spin around other twins, which in turn spiral around others like themselves, etc. until we end up with a twelve strand rope, made up of 11 strand ropes, made of 10 stand ropes, etc. Well, it's a wee bit early in the day for me to compute how many strands of rope I am or which way I am twisted, but in essence, I am the product of God and the reflection of God. As such, I am the Child of God. I can only hope that my whirlpools and ropes have helped add to John's explanation, for some. It's a lot easier for me to know it than to explain it in words. Guess that's because it's a principle and not a fact. Your twisted friend, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3266 From: Marylin Adams Subject: Re: Decision Is it "I am infinite"? Love, Light, Peace and Harmony Marylin Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3267 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Decision JJ asked: "DECISION" "No one has answered the question of WHO OR WHAT AM I. Your comments have been good about what you as DECISION are becoming, but what we are looking at is the core answer. Why are you called DECISION? The answer is given in the IMMORTAL Book II chapter six. What is the eternal part of yourself that decides between the apple and the pear?" Here are some thoughts I had about who or what I, and you, are: Just like I am within God, so is God within me. This is the basis of everything, and the implications are of universal divine magnitude. I came into existence thru His decision, I am His decision, and because I am created in His image, I too can make decisions, as I am living inside what seems to be linear time, as I choose between choices, think speak and act upon a long row of yes's and no's as I consciously make my way closer to my Source, my true self, realizing and releasing all the potential I have within me, due to the eternal connection we all have. In a way, just like I exist because of God's decision, God either is or isn't to me, depending on my decision. This doesn't mean that I could make Him appear or vanish, but means that I have control over how much and in what greatness I perceive Him. God sees me all the time, and the only way I cannot see Him is if I decide to keep my eyes shut and avoid looking the Truth of me and everything that exists in the eye. The world is a big mirror reflecting myself back at me, and it changes as I decide to change. It is same for God, but His world is ****much**** bigger, in fact it is infinite. And, I am also blessed to carry that same eternal infinity within me. Human beings are under the same principles as the One, just on smaller scale, but it is important to understand the similarities, some of which reveal themselves in symbols, which are everywhere around us. Even if our actions and decisions have an affect on a smaller scale that those of God's, they are very important and far-reaching because every thought and action create something new in this interconnected Creation. Inside of us, we have The Divine Potential. God made The decision for the One to become the Many, and them gathering in groups, and right now we are in the middle of the gathering of 7. One manifestation of this is the 7 major chakras of the human body, and thru fully opening and balancing them a human being can take a giant step closer to becoming one, which also means coming closer to the process of becoming one with The One. God set the process that will lead to 7 becoming one in motion thru His decision, and within this decision I can decide whatever I wanna be and wherever I want to go because I have free will, but ultimately the decisions I make which are coherent with the essence of this 7th cycle are the ones that bring me closer to my Creator, and thru these decisions I can reflect a brighter portion of the divinity within me around myself, and when I pay attention (which also comes thru decision of utilizing my consciousness) to what I am perceiving thru my consciousness and always choose the highest most loving option available that will bring harmony and most benefit to the whole, then I am not only elevating myself but also essentially part of the process of The one gathering information of what it really is for the One that had become 7 to experience full extent of this experience and existence within its self-created limitless boundaries. In His initial Decision God decided to experience 12 cycles and reach one stage of perfection. It is like deciding to get from point A to point B, and knowing getting there is certain, but being unaware of the exact path that will lead there. In the distant future there will be a point C, but what it will be like is not decided yet. I am one small dot of Light, a divine unit like we All are, traveling on my path and combining my 7 so I can best serve The One, by becoming as close to him as I am able to. I am like a variable in the equation that God created, except that this variable has a decisive mind of its own, and what I choose affects the end result. God already knows the answer will be, but what it exactly is depends on how well I, you and everybody else understand The Highest, and how well we can be in His image, acting under the principles we were created out of. If we become one with what we were created out of, we become one with the Creator and the process of creating. Just like God decided to get from point A to point B, have I decided to travel between 2 points, in this lifetime as well as in others. I was incarnated with a certain goal in mind, but how exactly I would get there is something I can not know before I reach the point where I make a decision, listening to the voice within and trusting my intuition I will get closer and closer, not only to what I came to accomplish in this lifetime but what I came to do as my part of service to the One and His becoming. I create my reality when I am conscious and pay attention to what I observe and experience, I decide whether to become something, and upon doing this I am also deciding what it is I am not becoming. As my mind, emotions and body act upon this decision within, it becomes manifest outside of me, which again gives me new circumstances, creating a new situation which initiates and creates the options for my next decision. These cycles are like those of God's, except mine are ***much*** smaller and within His. Yet it is all interwoven, and all of our decisions affect the whole, making a difference inside the body of God, which we are all part of. When I place my attention on the direction and am fully aware of each choice I make, I realize what is inside of me equals what I perceive being outside of me, and because I am the power that decides, I can be what I in my heart desire to be, and if my heart is pure and in harmony with God's, I can change the world to be a better more shiny reflection of Heaven on Earth. I am called Decision because I am exactly what I have decided to become in this on-going process. If my choices have been uncertain, then I can't be too clear about who I am right now. On the other hand, if I have clearly stated and realized the core of me, then that is what I appear on the outside too. Whenever I make a decision, I am applying the God-essence within me, the power of choosing which path to take. When this decision is coherent with the highest my mind and heart can perceive under current circumstances, then I am walking on the path towards unity under One. I have to always pay close attention to what is going on so I am able to discern between what is true food for the soul instead of an illusion, as is the case with the apple and the pear. Keep your spiritual noses alert, and remember that you can always smell a real nourishing fruit, I don't think there's any aroma to a hologram :) Up is the direction on this spiral, let's make the decision and get going :) Warmest Love, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1999-02-28/3268 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: OT--Possible reason for less-active participation I like the list and wish I had the energy to participate more but it seems like before I get a chance to contemplate the current question and post something intelligent a new question is posed. I'm finding it very challenging to switch my attention from one subject to the next and then back so quickly. If this is something that only I have to work on then I guess I'll have to try something different. But for the time being--with school, looking for a job, money worries, etc--I guess I've just been feeling a little overwhelmed. Then also there's the possibility that I'm just resisting the