1998 - WEEK 52 Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1835 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Atheism Madalyn wrote: "I will also defend others peoples religions and not judge them right or wrong. That is why he gave us free will to chose... I will not defend religions who are santanic and hurt God's people and animals..I will pray for the aetheist......." I am not sure if atheists feel like they need to be prayed for, hehe :) I think that atheism is a big paradox as well, because even if these folks say they don't believe in anything, yes they do, they believe in no-thing. And no-thing can be a-lot-of-things :) I think within atheism, there are just as wide variety of different people and beliefs as there are in other religions. I mean, people who say they are Christians, I've met many and seems to me that even if the core is pretty much the same, their beliefs may vary quite a bit in certain instances. Atheists don't use the word religion, they don't say the word God, etc. So what's the difference? An atheist can be very much a Seeker. In fact s/he can be closer to the Source than somebody who goes to church every Sunday (I do not, but I have my own personal ways of showing my respect and Love to the One that is behind this Master plan, and I do it everyday :) It is not what you name yourself, it is what and how you do within 'the boundaries' you have set for yourself. And it really is a good thing to keep in mind that those boundries can stretch just as far as your own mind can. If an atheist has stopped the process of learning, growing and becoming, hey, I wouldn't recommend that to anybody, but that is no different than a hardcore religious person thinking that once they adhere to a certain religion or belief system, they are 'saved' and don't need to do anything themselves. This just isn't so. And btw, Madalyn, I am not saying that you would be such a person, not at all, these are just thoughts that were born out of reading your words up there :) Thanks for letting me share, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1836 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Transmutation Rick wrote: "So now, I see that a lifetime of pain was in reality the refiners fire and I have learned to use it to change lead into gold. There are at least a half dozen people on this list, that already know me well enough, to know what I am talking about. I am sure they could tell you that these issues do not make me less of a man, but rather serve as an enhancement of my character. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you have either not asked of not looked at the whole "picture". Rick, As I am reading this, I am trying to stretch my being into feeling what an incredible relief it must be to have gone thru that process, and now fully embrace yourself and let all of these words out. That's amazing Rick. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing that. When people openly share of themselves and who they are, others will always learn something about themselves as well. That's why I have very much respect for everybody who shares, especially when they share experiences that might have been painful for them, because usually this will trigger other people to start 'solving their inner knots', whatever they may be. It has been my experience so many times, when I start opening up to somebody, start talking about things I may find hard to express, that it's almost like the other person has just been waiting for either one of us to have the courage to open up the mouth and let the words roll out. I think it is very important to be honest in every moment, and express that. I do not care if people are being dishonest with me. That is because I don't really mind being hurt, and actually most of the time I am not, but I do mind people hurting themselves. Everything starts with being honest with yourself. If you try to fool me, you have first fooled yourself, and that game I don't wanna play. You can not be dishonest with someone without being that to yourself first. Rick, to you I wanna say, keep on being all that you are, because nobody does that better than you :) Your true friends will stick by you, if there are those who can't handle the truth, then there's something inside them they are yet to fully embrace. Your example will help others in starting to be all that they are. And that is when you step on the path to freedom. Take care Bro, Samu_ Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1837 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: off-topic psychic mirror, Franz Bardon quotes JOHN KOSIOR writes: "xavier wrote: "That's it. I'm not soul searching, I'm not pondering, and yes I am polarized in the third chakra, and it works much these days too :) I don't wish to bother, I participate in the way I can. It's not deep insight, but I like it. Thanks for listening!" "Xavier, Thanks for this post. I thought I'd share with you how your thoughts helped me. For the past week or so, I've been kinda battling with this living from the heart thing, and none too successfully, either. In fact, I've found myself much more in the solar plexus than ever. For someone like me, this is terrible. Under these circumstances, I will "ponder" all of the "deep insights" and beat myself up with them until I get it right again. Ironically, it's the beating I give myself that keeps me off balance longer. Your thoughts remind me not to beat myself up with insights. Thanks." "Still pondering JJ's latest query. I'm sure something will come to me whenever I get my heart energy balanced. Deep Breathing, John" Now I see why I felt strongly driven to write this, and there was more that remained inside! Yes I am at third chakra, no I'm not pondering, no I'm not finding nice answers. Yes I feel like sharing what comes to my mind, even if it's childish/immature, and I see myself in that, but no I won't shut up out of shame. Yes I have faith it will turn for the better, and yes I'm happy to see it helps you!! It's still that old habit of distrusting my "lower" self. Yes I'm loving myself "in my mistakes, for my mistakes, and by my mistakes". (tis a definition of tolerance). Thanks John, I love when you answer me, even if I don't always reply. This is true also with others keysters feedbacks to my posts. Many times I love what you say to me, but I don't feel like saying it. Still that little sun of mine, you know? the one that's around my stomach...::)) This whole message-thing shows us that it is through expression of what we feel, including third C, that heart feelings manifest also. If we shut up from fear to be egoistic, we just keep the good things hidden from us and others. Twas a nice beautiful thing to behold/live, thanks John! Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1838 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Looking in the eyes of The Chameleon, who do you see? Diane wrote: "Dear Samu, I have been reading your "lil writing" and am mightily impressed with it. You have quite a talent for expressing yourself. There are many levels to your Chameleon essay and I think I can plumb the depths each time I re-read it and see the different ways of looking at your ideas. They charge me with doing my own soul searching. I do this on a constant basis myself but have not been as cohesive as you have been in putting it all either down in my computer or on paper, making a concrete hard copy to fine tune. Congratulations for a wonderful effort at expressing yourself." Dearest Diane, Thank you so much for your words :) I am almost blushing here :) Well, I guess I did something right when I named my lil pet Chameleon, aye? :D It is quite a furry incredible lil creature, because it really seems to change it appearance according to the state of who is wanting to make friends with it, heheheeeee :) Just give it a couple of treats and the Chameleon will be resting on your lap in no time. It really likes people :) Ok, serious now (I will try:) I really am happy to hear that you are inspired to do your own soul- searching, because that was something I honestly wanted to trigger in others. Strip searching The Chameleon will make you realize there are not that much said, after all. I just keep reiterating a couple of basic ideas, and they are really not different from YHVH and Mr. Einstein saying that you will understand everything by just counting from 1 to 4, and understanding what whose numbers stand for. I just say the same using larger than life Samu-words, eheheheee :D I had a hysterical time earlier today as I was amusing myself with my own thoughts :) I was thinking ok, now I have done my best to explain IT to myself, so I should be able to understand something as profound and basic as the meaning of life, right? :D Being the paradoxical-minded I am, I came up with something that had me giggling and I even placed it on the bottom of my web page. Here are the words: Big Question: What is the meaning of Life? "Well...", Samu is scratching his hairy head, "I think it is to keep looking for an answer to that question, Sir..." Heheheee :D :D Well, I think that sounds true to me :) It's that same cycle, and you're eternally becoming, you find and you seek and you find and you seek, and it all is going on within this infinite loop, you always go further, there's no final answer. The important thing is to question, always aim higher, yep :) In a way the meaning of life is life itself, but life is eternally evolving, so... :) There is a slight chance you have followed me this far :D Again, thanks Diane. If you ever write your own lil essay, do not hesitate to share it with me :) Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1839 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Higher and Lower Feelings JJ writes: "I downloaded Samu's writing and started reading it and plan o finishing it shortly. It looks like you are stretching you inner spiritual curiosity to the limits here Samu, (of course there are no limits). Keep up the good work." Thank you Sir :) Yes, I feel like I have been stretching my muscles and am ready, if not for a marathon yet, at least a few speedy and spurty spiritual miles :D Gotta get some practice, and slowly build up the strength :) No limits, except the ones I set for my self :) "I'm sure you'll find some similar writings from the second Immortal book even more interesting now." Of this I am sure too. I got what I was hoping for, I finished my piece before receiving and reading part 2 of your book :) I feel like having done all the thinking and inner searching will help me grasp teachings and other things on a different level when I will be reading Immortal, now that I have been preparing and stretching by myself :) I feel like I have opened some extra channels and it is somewhat easier for me to grasp certain things now than it was before. Feeling food indeed, can't complain :) It's been over 6 weeks since I ordered my book from Amazon. Mail via land/sea takes even longer now because of the season, usually it's about 4 weeks (I thought normal shipping method meant airmail, but no) If I don't receive The Immortal in a couple of weeks, I will order one directly from you JJ. I can always give the other copy to someone else later. "The person grounded in this higher solar plexus love and feeling will say yes, yes to all teachings of Christ consciousness, love and sharing, but in real life his decisions will reflect the persistent dedication to self." "Thus we have among both the religious and the New Age people a lot of idealist teaching, but not much practical doing in the mission of love. They sense what should be done but do not have the where-with-all to do it." I know I used to be that way. I didn't live up to my ideals, however grand they were inside my head. I think I have finally been able to move out of that self-centeredness. The interesting thing is, as soon as you start living according to those ideals of yours, I have noticed you instantly start receiving the same back, and in volumes you couldn't even hope for. You just gotta trust in yourself, and have faith in what you're doing. "Outward signs, no matter how synchronous they may be can be a mark of the beast if they are not verified by soul contact.. And why is this? Because your final faith is in a power or happening "out there" rather than the God within." This is true, of course. It always within, first. You gotta have faith in yourself and listen to the voice within. No Guru can tell you what to do, because he can not be who you are where you are right now. Only you have that experience. "If a person has not transmitted the lower energies into the higher the "go with the flow" idea will be a total disaster in the end. It is like going with a flow of wind that is blowing you off a cliff." This again is very true, and I know I've been there :) I have become much better at knowing what I want and going for it than I was just a couple of years ago. I used to not really know what I wanted but when I got something, I was usually able to say, yeah, this is exactly what I was looking for! :) In a way I feel I was very lucky because many times I got what I had been wanting, even if I didn't know what it was. But of course sometimes I would have to realize, no, I didn't want this, so I made a new choice. Today, I pretty much feel I am where I should be. With all that has happened to me and near me in the last couple of months, wow. I wouldn't wanna be anywhere else. Yet, I am going full-force ahead too :) "In the end love is One, but in its discovery it is many." After reading that, I just sorta daydreamed for a few minutes. That was deep, and so true :) "The challenge for the workers of light is to learn to discern between the higher and lower energies and not confuse the two for if they do they will be inclined to think that God, the Higher Self, or whatever, is directing them toward the path of carnal activity." I know what is said here too. When the energies increase, they increase both ways. Both sides of that one coin grow. More discernment, more responsibility to oneself, yes. "Finding your place on the path is extremely difficult for many because the beginning seeker will often think he is on his last life and ascension is just around the corner. Because he is looking about a thousand steps ahead of where his attention should be his progress comes to a stand still and the mark of the beast remains intact." Yes. I think it's important to be aware of the direction you're heading, but still be here now and not in the future. I have noticed that the further on the path I feel I am, the more I see there is yet to go. Another paradox. I loved math in school. One day I was able to get my hands on a book I was gonna be studying in maybe 5 years. I was looking at all the equations and stuff and found it so fascinating. Of course, I couldn't understand them until those few years had passed and I had built my understanding from bottom up one level at a time, but taking that peek into my own future was very motivating. I think that's as it should be. Had I tried to master those equations before I was at that level, it would've been a disaster. "What if you are not sure of your point on the path or where your next step should be? What should you then do? How can you take the next step if you are not sure where it lies?" Well, I think it is key to always be aware of where you're at. If you do not know where you are on your path, stop for a moment and take a look around. Many people just rush headlong without any sense of direction. Be brutally(or possible gently:) honest with yourself, who you are, where you are, and what your goals are. Very simple, very hard, often because we are not listening to our own needs, but those voices outside of ourselves that tells what we should do and who we should be to be somebody. In many ways we have been taught into that 'here's the spoon coming to feed ya, open your mouth' kind of thinking. Come on, we know how to nourish our own needs. You can always go with the step in the dark method too, but as has been said, then you will very likely stumble into walls. I think your personal compass, your intuition is very useful here again. What are the things that stirs the strongest emotions inside of you? Those are the ones that will magnetize your compass. And funny thing is, I have noticed that sometimes when I do what I am most afraid of doing, I end up with the biggest most teaching results. In a way there is no 'wrong step', because all of your steps lead somewhere. It is a matter of setting a direction, a goal to yourself. And sometimes what seem like the shortest path, is not the fastest one. But the important thing is to know where you wanna go, and keep going in that direction. But also like Rick has said with his paddling in the rives parable, often you need to set your goals higher than what your eventual destination will be to get there. And again, there are no final destinations. Just a lot of lay-overs between flights, heheheee :) Much love, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-27/1840 From: b morgan Subject: Re: Where is HERE & Transmutation Very interesting stuff Rick! I, too, have done those steps. And also found a shift in perspective (which in many ways was like going from hell to heaven) and a realization that we all do the best we can with the information we have at the time, some of us having very, very little information. But being angry at people who didn't know any better than to treat us poorly as children, for instance, is about as rational as being angry with a Downs' syndrome child who can't do advanced calculus. One of the things you said was "Oh man, now they're telling me I've got to change lead into gold." What I got from those steps was that once our defects and shortcomings are identified, WE ASK GOD, humbly, to remove them. In my observations and experience, not all of them get removed, perhaps to keep those of us with severely out-of-whack egos HUMBLE and reminded of Our Source. God can and will give us solutions for living, at least as far as I can tell, if we seek Him (emphasis on seek rather than find, although just like in looking for my lost sunglasses which were on top of my head, I've found God on occasion as well). Does this make any sense to anyone but me? My 2 pennies worth.... Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1998-51/1841 From: Rick Audette Subject: List update Here is the latest list. I went through and added all the people with aol to my buddy list. Found out where some more of you live. Look up your name, if I don't have your e-mail address and/or location, I'd love to hear from you. Rick Keysters list 12/27/98 AntonioJosephMartin BEN THOMAS Becky Priddy Becky Ryan, Palestine, TX Betty L. Norem ,Panama City, Florida Brian S. Weis ,PA Carmen Cuadra Carole Jarrett Carolyn Elaine Mille.. Clive culbertson, N.Ireland Craig Dorfling D. Dailey David Curtis David Goddard,.uk david teller debra robberson, NJ Denise Terry Desiree van Dijk, Netherlands Diane Linen, Austin,TX Dorothy De Ste.Croix Dot Dr.E.L.Damasco, Philipines Estrellia Sheran Garrett Ward, Flagstaff, Arizona Gay Avice du Buisson Glenys Lowery, Wellington, NZ Granville hardy Gypsy Dreamer (Belle) Irene Minassian Isabelle Charette, Ottawa,Canada JUNE James Bryan (TwinStorms) James Clarke James T. Lee Janet Kay Jennifer Hardin Jerry Ann Spruill, Milwaukee, WI. Jill O'Hara Joel cocks John E. Conner John M Kosior Jose M. Paredes Jose Quinones, NYC Brooklyn Joseph Daewin Steven... Joseph J. Dewey Kam Baya Karen Surface Karla Kathlene Misze Kathryn Marie Wilson Kathy gucciardo Katrina Phillips Kevin Shannon, Federal Way,Washington,USA Kitty Chastain Kris Dyche Kurt Bruschek, Canada Kyle Kissmann (Hartill Dorm),NC lanezach Larry Brady LeLona Hodges, WICHITA,KANSAS Lia Duggin Linda E Linda Spires Lisa Folk, Taylor,BC,Canada Liz Montville Lori-Ellen Grant Lynette mccauley Lynne Giles Mg, yokohama, japan Madalyn Sheppard Manuel Marques margaret eldridge Maria da Conceicao L Marilyn A. Maple Mark Lemon Marlene Nelson Mary Dodd Michelle Wilson Natalia de Lemeny - Nina Smith Patricia Roach Penny Hughes Peter R Probst, BritishColumbia,Canada Peter Reich proserp Random Rebecca Allbrite Rene K. Mueller Rev. Stanley B. Jon... Richard E. Audette, Plano ,TX Rick Audette, Richardson,TX Ringo Skye Robert Byrd Robert Soto Roger Earnshaw Ruth, Lubbock,TX Samu Karlsson, Porvoo,Finland Sandra Sanna Hanskala Sergio Correa Shamus webb Shania Nelson Sharon Jorgenson, 50m E. of Dallas,TX sheridan.j.le.Fanu Sherry Carroll Steve Mark, Arlington,TX Suzan Griffith T.farris Terrance R. Brennan, Milwaukee,Wisconsin terrie rosenthal Tina Christensen-Shu.. Tracey Hobson, LosGatos,CA White Light wolfgang matthews Xavier doll?ans, Paris,France Total 115 members Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1842 From: "Karen Surface" Subject: Re: List update Karen Surface in Hillsville, Va. USA ----God, Please Help Me to Remember That I am Unique; Just Like Everyone Else. Light Everlasting, Y'All......kc Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1843 From: J J Dewey Subject: Comments Let me start by quoting several questions we have been pondering: "The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my previous post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead?" "If we switch over to having the Father's name in our foreheads then where do we look for that name and what is the name? What is the main sign that we have the name?" Many of you have given great comments on these questions. All of your comments deserve to be reflected upon for the light contained therein. I've decided to quote several of your comments below that I believe are worthy of more reflection. I'm sure I have missed some good ones so please forgive me for that, but here are some that stood out to me as I quickly scrolled down your writings. GLENYS WRITES: "With the Lamb is the 144,000 who have the Father's name written on their foreheads - God's seal as opposed to the beast's Mark. I think Rick's already talked about the symbolic nature of the number 144,000 really well - the number is symbolic of the multitude known by God which cannot be numbered (see Chapt 7) and whose names have been written in the Book of Life since the beginning (Chap. 13). The name of God written on their foreheads guarantees safety and security and enables them to escape the beast. We obtain it by following the true teachings of Spirit and not following blind authority of the beast but rather the authority of our inner witness." "Following the inner Christ who dwells within our hearts leads us to overcome negative enslaving emotions and gives us peace 'beyond understanding'. The difference between having the Father's name and the beast's name is the degree of freedom and love that dwells in our hearts with having the Father's seal compared to loss of power when following the beast." SAMU WRITES: "I think the Name is accomplished by living the words of Christ instead of following them. Because if you follow, you never quite become what you are following." "I can't think of looking for The Father's name anywhere but within. I think it would show in a person as pure knowing that their belief is genuine full-body-soul-mind-resonance with their truth, and they are able to justify it to other's when questioned, and this questioning won't cause their belief to waver, but at the same time this person would be ready to change his belief for something grander if he realizes it has not been perfect" RICK WRITES: "Always ask yourself, what you want greater power for. If it is so people will look up to you, respect and need you, beware, the beast is at your door. If you seek greater power to find Truth and be a servant to it, Christ will give you more power than you could ever have hoped for." KYLE WRITES: "Well, if the followers of the beast have the idea that this is all I AM, then it is only certain that the thought from the followers of the father would have the thought of I am becoming so that those who are of the 144,000 are always out to learn new things in order to better themselves and learn from their mistakes." BELLE WRITES: "By singing the Song of 144,000 we have the Father's name in our consciousness and it chases the Beast from our presence.. The beast cannot exist in this atmosphere of Light, Love and Power." "Beastly thoughts are replaced with gratitude for protective universal light, protective fires of love and knowledge, by experience, that the Father is in us and we are in Him.. and that through us His Light, Love and Power is manifest to all the Sons and Daughters of Mankind.." ROB WRITES: "If I AM represents an unchanging state, and I AM BECOMING means constantly changing, then the only way to peel off the beasts name and slap on the lamb's name is to always follow the highest you know." LELONA WRITES: "I would say having the Father's name in the forehead is having LIGHT shining from the face; a bright aura (as in Samu); being HAPPY; laughing. The light is shining so brightly from within that it radiates outward through the face. The eyes dance with joy, and the eyes reflect the light from within." BETTY WRITES: "I believe that this takes place by looking inside of ourselves & using the Intuitive Principle to confirm what our Higher Self tells us is Truth - that we are in a state of I AM BECOMING instead of the static I AM, with nothing further to become. Betty" GARRETT WRITES: "Where do we look? I would say the soul would know the answer. So where is the soul? Most say look within. Within what? Where? How? Are we putting the cart before the horse here? How is it possible to know the name of God without first making contact with the soul?" Note to John and Xavier's comments: Remember that evolved souls have a lot of energy in the solar plexus as well as the other centers. Both of you post some very intelligent writings so I hope you do not underestimate yourselves. The Solar Plexus takes a lot of control no matter where we are on the path. I could just quit now and we would have some food for thought that would take some time to digest, but I will venture a few additional comments. Basically those who have the name of the beast are those who look upon some name outside of themselves for authority. They may find themselves saying something like this: "My guru Joe Blow says flying saucers are landing next month so I believe it." "My minister told me I shouldn't marry Ann so I guess I won't." "Dr. Laura says no, so I guess I shouldn't do it." "The Priest, (Pope, Prophet etc.) says that Jesus is the Lord of the Universe so he must be." "The Bible (even this good book can represent an outside authority) says I can handle snakes and not get hurt so let me touch that rattler." He who has escaped the mark of the beast may find himself saying other words as: "I don't care if you guys do get angry at me. I don't think the group is right and I'm voting against this." "Why are you being so sensitive? All I did is tell you what I perceive to be true." "You may be right. I may lose my wife, my kids, my fortune and my good name, but this is something I have to do." "I know that's what everybody thinks, but that's because they are told what to think. Here's what I think the real answer is if you will just still yourself a moment and listen." See if you can come up with additional statements made by those who have the mark and those who have escaped it. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1844 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Next Step The last question we left you with was: "What if you are not sure of your point on the path or where your next step should be? What should you then do? How can you take the next step if you are not sure where it lies?" Tracy gave a good short and sweet answer on this: "In all honesty, this is exactly where I am. There is only one thing I can think of to do. That is to get very quiet, and ask God for direction. Then listen. From my limited experience of walking a spiritual path, the answer may not come at once. And maybe not even tomorrow. But all of a sudden, there it is. In the mean time, what I have been taught is to do the next right thing. Which is not to say I always do that (not by a long shot!) but at least it is something towards which I can work." This is a good approach, but when you ask there is often a period of time that seems like limbo before you go in a certain direction. What do you do until then? LeLona provides a good hint: She says: "The next step is always right in front of you..." And how is this? Because sometimes nothing seems to be in front of us. The answer in this goes back to an oft repeated statement in these postings: "Follow the highest that you know" and move ahead. Remember the parable at the end of Book I about the paths to heaven and hell? Dave, who followed the highest that he knew and moved ahead with it and did not waiver was eventually given a revelation that explained it all to him and then he moved on to a greater challenge. The two who stayed behind and took no action because of fear remained at a standstill. If you do not know what to do make your best decision and move, even if it seems to lead you into peril. In the end you will then find the truth and will be much farther ahead than those who yield themselves to the whim of the elements or even greater lives. As a person progresses by trial and error eventually the fog disperses and his place upon the path becomes clear. When this happens the next step is usually quite revealed, but there are always steps beyond the next step which will remain a mystery until the time is right. The person who is clear about his place upon the path will rarely reveal it to anyone and never publicly, especially if he is up there a ways, but he who is in the fog of illusion and thinks he knows he is at the top of the ladder is happy to tell the world how high and mighty he is. Such a one is doomed to future embarrassment when the truth about his real status is revealed. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1845 From: J J Dewey Subject: Sign of the Name "If we switch over to having the Father's name in our foreheads then where do we look for that name and what is the name? What is the main sign that we have the name?" In response to this Garret found an interesting quote: "The first part, "Yod", represents the positive (+), "Sun", "light", "the Father" principles. The first "He" represents the "negative", not in the sense of "bad" or "evil", but in the sense of (-), negative polarity, pure darkness, like that of the void of space, the receptive, the Mother principles. "Vau" is the meeting of Yod and He; the place of interplay, intercourse, and combining of the first two principles. It is its own principle, and the place of conception of, and the birth of, the second "He" (again pronounced "hay"). The second "He" is the offspring of Yod and He, the result of their interaction, their subsequent creation. The second "He" has the same attributes as its Father, the Yod, in that it actually IS a Yod in its own macro or microcosmic realm. The second "He" is on a vibrational plane an octave apart. The second "He" begins the cycle (Yod-He-Vau-He) again, but AS THE YOD in micro-cosm or macro-cosm, and its polarity is reversed from its "father" Yod. Interestingly, the "father" principle, Yod, was distorted through translation over time from "Yod" into "God", which is also often given a "father" principle connotation."... Moses was given a name for God that was the key to creation or BECOMING but it was only revealed to a handful of Priests. Shortly after Moses was taken out of the scene it was lost to Israel because the generations who followed lost the knowledge of the use of the name and finally lost the name itself. Actually, it was not a name as we think of names and is the foundation of a future key that must be taught face to face. The letters YHVH which were added to create the name Jevovah (or Yaweh) was added later by the Priesthood so the common people could have a name for God they could use. But the sounds between the YHVH are a mystery and have been lost. True searchers will recover the name, but this is not necessary to receive the "Name in your forehead." God is already within every man, woman and child on the planet. If God is within us then His Name is also within us even if we do not consciously perceive it. We receive the illusion of the mark of the beast when we accept any name for God or final authority that is outside of ourselves. When we finally learn to ignore all the static outside of ourselves and look within for verification of truth then the one creative name or originating sound of God within us begins to vibrate and we activate the name of God in our foreheads because we realize God is in our minds and in our hearts. What is the main sign that we have the name? The main sign is that you do not place your life or any eternal salvation in the hands of any outside name or authority. You may respect many outside authorities who have earned a degree of trust. An example would be the Spanish teacher we talked about earlier, but the ultimate trust of life or soul will be given to no man, woman or even Bible. He who has the name of the Father in his forehead will only trust a path revealed or confirmed by the God within. Outside teachers may point us the right direction, but he who has escaped the mark of the beast will not firmly embrace even Jesus, an angel, the scriptures, synchronicity or any other outward sign or teaching unless the great authority within confirms it. Unfortunately, the removal of the mark even becomes more complicated because many people think they are registering with the God within when they are merely leaning on the positive side of the solar plexus. This is why John mentions the name in the forehead. Because the sensing of the energy of God in the forehead is a sign that you have moved beyond the lower good feeling emotional energy below the diaphragm. Now we have one more item to examine and then we shall have covered the basics of this interesting chapter. "Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." We learned that the image of the beast in our day are the totalitarian countries who rule over half the world with an iron hand as did the ancient empires of the beast. The interesting thing is that even though the United States and many other countries have relatively free governments, so protesters cannot be killed on a whim, the mark of the beast still exists. In the totalitarian regimes the leaders have tremendous leverage over the people because they must obey or die. What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-27/1846 From: Marilyn Maple Subject: Re: List update Marilyn Maple-----Phoenix, Arizona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1847 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Sign of the Name "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." Would it be your reputation, your so called "good name". So many people feel that they are utterly destroyed when their reputation is "ruined". That beast will have to work overtime, if he thinks he can kill me with that one. I have only a high school education, have had more jobs and careers than the average room full of people, been married and divorced three times, am an ex- catholic, was a hippy, have been to jail, bankrupted twice, and am a member of one of the least accepted minorities, and yet, not only do I keep floating to the top, I shine. I can be completely honest on a job interview and they will still choose me over all the other applicants. Their only concern being, is their company good enough for me. I've had more failures than anyone I know. Each time, the beast tries to crush me and I may get the blues for a while, but I just keep pushing forward. Somewhere, down the line, I had quit thinking of success and failure as being good and bad. When it comes to growth, failures can be just as valuable as success, sometimes even more so. Bumbling my way to heaven, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1848 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Atheism Samu Karlsson wrote: "I really do resonate with this Samu: "it is what and how you do within 'the boundaries' you have set for yourself". I listened to an atheist named Spike Tyson on Art Bell's talk show one night this past year and he used logic or so he said. He said you can't prove there is a God using his criteria. The American Atheists was located in Austin, Texas and I think that the headquarters has been moved now. Since the disappearance of Madalyn Murray O'Hair(it's not completely known if she is still alive or not), the organization had its difficulties since she pretty much absconded with the organizations' funds. It's been rumored she and some of her family are in New Zealand. I recall a little of what Spike said about his life. People who called in on the show would get very emotional when he wouldn't budge from his beliefs there is no god. He thought that this is all there is. Nothing comes after you die. I can't imagine this. How long would he be in this nothingness state until he could recognize something? What is the point in our lives if this is all there is? In all of eternity, this is all there is? I don't think so. I liked what I just heard on the radio, we are all heading towards the same end; it's just that some of us make it there sooner or later than others. Diane And "it really is a good thing to keep in mind that those boundries can stretch just as far as your own mind can. If an atheist has stopped the process of learning, growing and becoming, hey, I wouldn't recommend that to anybody, but that is no different than a hardcore religious person thinking that once they adhere to a certain religion or belief system, they are 'saved' and don't need to do anything themselves. This just isn't so. And btw Madalyn, I am not saying that you would be such a person, not at all, these are just thoughts that were born out of reading your words up there :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1849 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Sign of the Name J J Dewey wrote: "Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." "We learned that the image of the beast in our day are the totalitarian countries who rule over half the world with an iron hand as did the ancient empires of the beast." "The interesting thing is that even though the United States and many other countries have relatively free governments, so protesters cannot be killed on a whim, the mark of the beast still exists. In the totalitarian regimes the leaders have tremendous leverage over the people because they must obey or die." "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." I think that the IRS has a powerful leverage over the lives of citizens in this country. Many people's lives have been ruined by this beastly entity and see no way out of their problems except to kill themselves. Their homes and businesses are frequently taken from them as well as having their bank accounts attached by the IRS. Supposedly in this country you are considered innocent until proven guilty but with the IRS, you are guilty until you prove your innocence and this can take years and lots more money. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1850 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Sign of the Name Rick Audette wrote: "not only do I keep floating to the top, I shine." Yes, you certainly do shine. Brighter than most people I know. Every painful step you have taken has created the beautiful man you are now. As for failures, well who is to say that? Someone who is under the beasts' authority? They were learning experiences and you certainly have grown from them. As they say, you can't keep a good man down. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1851 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Sign of the Name Rick Audette writes: "I've had more failures than anyone I know." Then you haven't read the list of my failures! (hahaha) And I'm not going to list them either. But I know my list would top yours. I have never met a true walker on the path who hasn't had a LOT of experience. I don't call them failures, but experiences. How can a person console another, truly, if you have no idea what it's like? How can a person have compassion for another if they truly don't know why that person should be in the predicament they're in? Experience teaches compassion. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1852 From: "Karen Surface" Subject: Re: Atheism As a Believe It or Not Item said concerning an atheist's epitate "All dressed up and no place to go." "God, Please Help Me to Remember That I am Unique; Just Like Everyone Else. Light Everlasting, Y'All......kc" Samu wrote: "He thought that this is all there is. Nothing comes after you die. I can't imagine this. How long would he be in this nothingness state until he could recognize something?" Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1853 From: "Karen Surface" Subject: Re: Sign of the Name Rick and All, Remember the old Sunday school song, This little Light of mine, I'm going to let it shine. Rick, My biography also reads like an adventure story, but I had to do what I did to get where I am. Human pride and arrogance are powerful tools of the Beast. The Beast is well aware of our Ego and it's constant need for inflation. Sometimes one must loose the temporary respect of the so-called haves and be the topic of the bridge cub conversation, to fall a little in this world to gain the eternal and true peace. "God, Please Help Me to Remember That I am Unique; Just Like Everyone Else. Light Everlasting, Y'All......kc " Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1854 From: JOHN KOSIOR Subject: Re: Sign of the Name J J Dewey wrote: "In the totalitarian regimes the leaders have tremendous leverage over the people because they must obey or die." "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." Hi JJ and All, Leverage in the "free" world. I think part of the answer is in the question. It is this idea of freedom. I know that we in the US have a very high regard for our freedom, but as I have examined life in the "free world system", I have found that one must now jump through a tremendous number of hoops in order to maintain our "freedom". Here's one example; I recently lost my wallet, which contained my driver's license, credit card, voter registration, etc. Subsequently I received some pay checks and wanted to cash them. I had one piece of identification, and that was a state issued, picture ID. When I went to go have my checks cashed, I was denied my request because bank policy required two forms of identification. So although I was there with picture ID, it was obviously mine, (the picture looked amazingly like me) I was left empty handed. So, here in the free world, the authority of the beast is exercised through mass regulation of our every move, especially as it concerns money. Money in this world is synonymous with security, and security is the "gift" given by the governing "authorities", just so long as we honor every requirement and regulation set down by them. In fact "some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." In the "free" world, take away a person's "security" (money), and many would consider their life not worth living. As for me, if that's the worlds' idea of security, they can keep it. The following is a quote from the bible. It should be noted that I no longer quote scripture as the final "authority" as I may have in the past. But when it's right, it's really right. Col 2:20-23 20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. (NIV) This and many other scriptures call to us to throw off the shackles of this world system. I continuously try to monitor myself to see whether or not I would still stand if every "security net" the world has set up for me were to be suddenly stripped away. The answer is found within. The answer is found in God. The answer is yes, I will stand. Thanking God, John Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1855 From: "trixie" Subject: Re: Comments J J Dewey wrote "See if you can come up with additional statements made by those who have the mark and those who have escaped it". The more truth I learn and apply to my life, the more I hear things like, "You've changed, you just not the same anymore." "I don't understand you. The way you act is so different from the old you." (These comments were not meant in a positive way.) In fact, I heard these exact words yesterday. Years ago, these statements would have devastated me and I would have done everything in my power to CHANGE BACK and be accepted again. Today, I smile. Trixie Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1856 From: JOHN KOSIOR Subject: Re: The Next Step J J Dewey wrote: "The person who is clear about his place upon the path will rarely reveal it to anyone and never publicly, especially if he is up there a ways, but he who is in the fog of illusion and thinks he knows he is at the top of the ladder is happy to tell the world how high and mighty he is. Such a one is doomed to future embarrassment when the truth about his real status is revealed." Hi Again, Boy, I don't mean to be the bible answer guy here, but I just read this quote which appears just prior to the quote in my last post. It goes like this: Col 2:18-19 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. (NIV) In this world there are those who will direct you on the path. Now that path may have nothing to do with your true path, but those who have assumed authority in this way will do everything "in their own power" to convince you that you must follow their rules. It gives them a feeling of incredible power to so direct and lead others in this way. Thank God we are being directed away from the following of blind authority, and being offered the keys of knowledge which will unlock the prison of unconsciousness. Thanks to JJ as well for your efforts and labors to this end. And to each on this list, we are all co-laborers on this journey, and I couldn't ask for a finer group of travelers to share the trip. Blessings To You All, John Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1857 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Sign of the Name John Kosior writes: "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." The first thing that came to mind about this is the crash of the stock market in 1929. I wasn't around then, but I've heard lots of people took their lives after that. Loosing all or the majority of all of ones money suddenly is like pulling the rug out from underneath one's feet, because that's what they are standing on. Exposure to shame can be life threatening to some. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1858 From: (M. SHEPPARD) Subject: Re: The Next Step Dear John and others, I don't know if you know this but Angels are real and when they come you can feel them in your heart and you body tingles. There were stories about them even today. They were seen in the Gulf War and not by just one man. The Angels have saved me many times.... Two Angels have come down to me when I was dying hitched a ride home. They talked to me and knew everything about me I did and also where I lived. They were different but human.. very kind and understanding and perfect strangers to me. The phone number didn't exist nor the car, license plate and I never saw them again. There was something very mystical about these two. They also knew what happen to me in the hospital. Their beauty of their souls radiated from these beings of light. Angels have protected me from tornadoes , floods, and a car accident by making my car stall. John, they are here and they are now bringing love and healing to the earth grid. They are coming down in what people call fireballs, red and green. The mark of the beast is sin, it marks are souls and all we have to do is forgive ourselves and others and open up to love. Angels are messengers of God. They are not to be worshipped but you can ask your Angel for help and healing by prayers. They will not come if you don't ask. They do come and interfere with what God gave you your free will. You need to search the computers and see all the Angel stories ... God can't come down to man. Our bodies can't take it. Moses in the burning bush... Sodom and Gomorrah.... Lot's wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt. That's is why we have Angels to be messengers of God. I listen to a radio station on Christmas Eve and they had real live countless Angel stories. They can even come as our animals our pets. They are beautiful spiritual beings who are here to help us.. We only have to ask? I can recommend 1 book for now but all you can do research before you dismiss Angels. Where Miracles Happen by Joan Webster Anderson True stories of Heavenly Encounters and a very beautiful tapes Angel guide 1-800-525- 9000. Take your blinders off for awhile and witness these beautiful spiritual beings and when your life seems hopeless and there is no one to turn to. That's when they come. All paths led to God we just have to figure out which one to take. Didn't you almost have an accident but something or someone told you not to go..... this my friend, is your Angel.... .the more you accept them the more they come and help. My whole body tingles when I need to go and help someone . They nudge me on and telepathically communicate with me. They have never steered me wrong... I have Faith.. I just had one visit me Sunday to help this poor woman in distress. Everyone who tells you these things are not bragging... They are telling you these so you don't feel abandon by God and if you are in trouble you only need to ask? You never know a stranger that you help might be a Angel in disguise. Go now in Peace and explore before you say that they are not real. You don't feel them in your head.. you feel them in your heart.... As for my ladder I am still climbing and learning but I show others my path especially if it will help them in pain, to give them courage, inspiration and compassion and love and especially healing.... Madalyn Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1859 From: John Pesonen Subject: Re: The Next Step Madalyn, May I have the honors of posting this at my website? Avalon http://michiganupnorth.com/avalon Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1860 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Comments "See if you can come up with additional statements made by those who have the mark and those who have escaped it." Having the mark: "this is not true, because it was not scientifically proven" (hidden behind: I'm afraid to believe what my heart and body tell me when it contradicts the voice of the crowd, you will go on taking care of me will you? I'll be a good boy, see I even persuade others to believe you and not themselves) Still obeying parental ghosts. Not having the mark: "I just don't know anything to be or not to be, I just feel a whole lot more like not entering that hospital/not killing that dying cat/etc.. than doing it. And I trust my self enough to act according to it. If you're afraid, and submissed to this fear, it's your problem, don't push me!" The Beast: "you must do/feel/think it because it is so, because I/we/everyone, says so" The lamb: "I don't feel like it, and I won't! I feel like doing something else; and I will because I surely can!" It can be much more pervasive too: "You should be like this, you should open, be social, take care of others, anything -I- feel -YOU- -should- do or be." reflection, projection, taking others for objects, not free-willed sovereign builders of themselves. I don't/can't face my dark side, so I judge others, and try to rule them. or Lamb: I let people be and choose, even what I call dark. Each time I break less the first directive: don't touch to other's free will, to do, to feel, to think as they wish. JJ wrote too: "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." You talked earlier about losing one's job as a consequence of not following the beast. Reading your last post I think of social medical care. I live very well without it, and even better than with this fear-acknowledgment, but people around me just can't stand thinking I can live without it. Most unreasonable feelings, and great submission. I don't rely on car-insurance or safety belt for my safety, I rely on my conscience. Yet I use them both, to get along with the law. Opposing the law doesn't make you freeer. So safety is my answer. Fear leads to asking for protection. But it turns out that the one that gives you protection is the one that threatened your safety in the first place! Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1861 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: Sign of the Name "Diane Linen" wrote: "Rick Audette wrote: "not only do I keep floating to the top, I shine. " "Yes, you certainly do shine. Brighter than most people I know. Every painful step you have taken has created the beautiful man you are now. As for failures, well who is to say that? Someone who is under the beasts' authority? They were learning experiences and you certainly have grown from them. As they say, you can't keep a good man down. Diane" And as we say in French, "bon sang ne saurait mentir" that is "good blood won't lie", literally "good blood wouldn't know to lie", that is: can't be prooved lying in the end. if you have a good blood (memory, wisdom, virtues), then it will always bear fruits, and the son shall become prince. As you have French blood, this is much appropriate :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1862 From: Garrett Ward Subject: (OT)Re: YHVH Author Samu wrote: "Garrett, who originally wrote the text you're quoting? Who's the author, what's the book?" The quote concerning Yod He Vau He is from a book called The Lost Teachings of Atlantis by Jon Peniel, and the website is at: www.atlantis.to if you want more info. I also found a few more "nuggets" in this book. Here is one of them. Jon Peniel did not write this parable, he found it in the library of a monastery. He claims it was written in the first century A.D. by an early Christian sect in Greece: "There was a man who had died and was being taken to heaven by angels. The angels said to him, "We are going to take you to heaven but first we will show you hell." "The angels then took him to a place where there was a great bowl, so great that it was as big as a lake. The bowl was filled with a nutritious stew. All the way around the sides of the bowl were people. Emaciated starving miserable people. These people had spoons to eat the stew with and the spoons were long enough to reach the stew (about 12 feet). The trouble was while they could scoop up the stew into the spoon they could not get it into their mouths because the spoons were too long. So here were all these pathetic people suffering and moaning in agony, constantly trying to eat the food that was abundantly in front of them - all in vain. Next, the angels took the man to heaven. To his surprise, he saw the same scene! There it was, a giant lake-like bowl of the same stew, surrounded by people with 12 foot long spoons. Yet something was different here - all these people were smiling, happy, and healthy looking." "Why? What is the difference here that these people are happy & well fed?" the man said to the angels." "They replied, "Have you not eyes to see?" The man looked more carefully, and observed that one person would scoop up the stew, and bring it to the mouth of another. Then someone else would scoop up stew and feed it to the other." "The angels smiled and said, "Here the people feed each other. Here are the people that learned the way of Love." Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1863 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Under beast vs. Free, 1 Nu Pic Hey All, Have been enjoying reading your posts today :) Gotta say, when I read JJ's combined comments post, I was thinking what a cool group of intelligent folks this is. I mean, look at the things you are saying there! Pearls of Wisdom, they are :) My additions for these 2 categories: "Basically those who have the name of the beast are those who look upon some name outside of themselves for authority. They may find themselves saying something like this" "I already know everything. That I say because I was told by somebody I already am omniscient, or somebody told me all there is to know, and everywhere there is to go. And he's gotta be right." "He who has escaped the mark of the beast may find himself saying other words as:" "Look buddy, I really appreciate your advice and I am gonna give heed to it the best I can from where I am standing, but I can't walk your path just as impossible it is for you to walk mine. Free strollers, we can go anywhere we decide, but we do not need to go everywhere at once, we need to realize what's our All and always zoom deeper into it." I have added Betty's picture in our Photo Album at: http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html Go check it out! :) Much love, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1864 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: The Green Boots This one is appropriate for our discussions I think since it makes a point quite well whether it's true or not. Diane "Here is one that will make you think again about standing up for your rights : The Green Boots On Monday morning I wore my green platform boots to school for the first time since I had started at Edison Middle School. It was the day of the Poetry Festival and I was excited. At my old school, I had won the poetry ribbon every year. I'm horrible at sports, too shy to be popular, and I'm not cute -- but I do write good poetry. The poem I wrote for the Edison Festival was about my dad. I had a good feeling about sharing how special he had been, even if it was just with the fifth grade and Mrs. Baker. English was after lunch recess on Mondays, so by the time we started poetry, I was so nervous my mouth was dry toast. When Mrs. Baker called on me, I had to clear my throat, take a breath, and swallow about ten times before I could speak. I didn't even bother to look at my paper. I'd spent so much time perfecting the rhymes, and counting the beats, that I knew the poem by heart. I had just started the third verse, when I noticed Mrs. Baker was glaring furiously at me. I stopped in the middle of a word, and waited for her to say something. "Natalie, you are supposed to be reading an original work, a poem you made up yourself, not reciting something you learned. That is called plagiarism!" "Oh, but it's not . I mean ...I did make it up; it's about my dad." I heard a "Yeah, right!" from somewhere behind me, and someone else giggled. I felt as if I'd somersaulted off the high dive and then, in midair, realized that there was no water in the pool. I opened my mouth to explain, but no words came out. "You will leave the room, and will not return until you are ready to apologize," said Mrs. Baker. "Now. Go!" My last thought was a flash of understanding as to why the kids nicknamed her "Battle-Ax Baker" -- then my brain just fizzled out, and I turned and left the room. I'd been standing outside for about half an hour when Joseph, the school janitor, came over to ask me what heinous crime I'd committed to be banished for so long. He loved using unusual words. We'd made friends one morning before school, when he saw me sitting alone, pretending to do homework. He invited me to help open up the classrooms and after that, it sort of became my job. He always talked to me as we wiped down the chalkboards and turned on the heat. Just that morning he'd been telling me that Mark Twain said that the difference between the right word and the almost right word is like the difference between lightning and a lightning bug. I liked that. I wished my dad were still alive. He would have liked it too. Now as Joseph waited for me to answer, he looked so kind and sympathetic that, trying not to cry, I poured out the whole story. A tightness flashed over his face, and he jerked an enormous yellow duster out the pocket of his gray overalls. "So what are you going to do?" he asked, rolling up the duster into a tight ball. I shrugged, feeling helpless and sad. "I don't know." "Well, you are not going to stand here all day, are you?" I sighed. "I suppose I'll do what she said. You know...say I'm sorry." "You'll apologize?" I nodded. "What else can I do? It's no big deal. I'll just never write anything good in her class again." He looked disappointed with my response, so I shrugged once more and turned away from him. "Natalie." The tone of his voice forced me to look back. "Accepting defeat, when you should stand up for yourself, can become a very dangerous habit." He twisted the duster around his fingers. "Believe me. I know!" He was staring right into my eyes. I blinked and looked down. His eyes followed mine and we both noticed my green boots at the same time. Suddenly, his face relaxed, and creased into a huge smile. He chuckled and said, "You're going to be just fine. I don't have to worry about you. When you put on those boots this morning, you knew you were the only Natalie Brown in the whole world." As if he didn't need it anymore, he cheerfully dropped the duster back into his pocket and folded his arms across his chest. "Those are the boots of someone who can take care of herself, and knows when something is worth fighting for." His eyes, smiling into mine, woke up a part of me that had been asleep since I'd come to this school, and I knew that he was right about me. I'd just lost direction for a while. I took a deep breath and knocked on the classroom door, ready to face Mrs. Baker, ready to recite my poem. by Linda Rosenberg Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1865 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: (OT) Another story with a moral. Diane A long, long time ago, in a far away land the peasants were living from year to year on what they could raise on the meager lands. The season had been bad for these peasants. The summer had brought little rain and the fields were barren with little food for the coming winter. The grandfather looked over his barren fields and thought to himself, "Dear LORD, what am I to do? Without food for the winter my family will surely die. What am I to do?" The LORD answered, "My dear man, why don't you take your donkey to the village and sell it. The sale will provide more than enough money for you to buy your wheat for the coming winter." The grandfather was well aware that the LORD had spoke and His instructions were clear. The grandfather found his grandson and they set off to the village far away to sell the donkey, buy the staple of life and return. It was early in the morning when the grandfather and his grandson set out for the trek to the village to sell the donkey. Both the grandfather and his grandson walked slowly in front of the donkey as they traveled down the well worn path. Soon they came upon a group of peasants traveling in the opposite direction. The grandfather heard one of the peasants speaking to another, "My dear, isn't that a shame. There is that strong old man making that poor young child walk at his side. It would sure be better if that strong old man allowed that poor child to ride the donkey." Well, the grandfather thought about the comment he overheard and he decided what he should do. He stopped the donkey and his grandson and then placed the child on the donkey's back for the remaining portion of the journey. The grandfather was pleased with himself by taking the advice provided by the passing peasants. Sometime later the grandfather, his grandson and the donkey passed another group of peasants again, traveling in the opposite direction. Again, the grandfather overheard one of the peasant women speaking to her clan, "My goodness! Can you believe that. There is that poor old man walking while that strong young child is riding atop the donkey. I believe it would be God's will to have that poor old man ride the donkey while that strong young man walk at his side. Well, the grandfather though about these comments and he decided they were right. So, he stopped the donkey, took the child down and climbed aboard the donkey himself. Again the grandfather felt wise in listening to those who passed them by. After quite a long time the grandfather, grandson and donkey came to a river that had to be crossed on their journey to the village. The grandfather realized that the donkey would not be able to carry him across the river so he carefully unmounted the donkey. The grandfather then explained to his grandson how they would cross the river, "Son, you take the reins and pull the donkey from the front. I shall go behind the donkey and I will push." Well, the grandson pulled with all of his might and the grandfather pushed and pushed and pushed. It was all to no avail, the donkey simply did not want to walk into the river. At that time a group of peasants had just crossed the river. The grandfather overheard one saying to the other, "Well, would you look at that. There is that strong old man and that strong young boy trying to force that poor old donkey across the river. They should lift that poor donkey over their shoulders and carry it across the river." Well, the grandfather thought about that for awhile, until the peasants had disappeared behind them. He then told his grandson that they would carry the donkey across the river on their shoulders. Slowly the grandfather and the grandson were able to lift the donkey and they began to cross the river. Suddenly a strong current surprised the grandson and he fell. The donkey was immediately washed away and lost forever. Well the grandfather and the grandson were devastated by this occurrence. All was lost. The grandfather's family was devastated by the winter and they all perished. Moral of this story: ==================== If you accept and use everyone's opinion you could, quite likely, lose your ass. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1866 From: JOHN KOSIOR Subject: Re: (OT) "Diane Linen" wrote: "Moral of this story: "If you accept and use everyone's opinion you could, quite likely, lose your ass." Here it was a story with a donkey in it, and I never even saw that line coming. I must be distracted. Anyway, thanks for the laugh! John Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1867 From: b morgan Subject: [Fwd: The Next Step and The Sign of the Name] JJ wrote: "The person who is clear about his place upon the path will rarely reveal it to anyone and never publicly, especially if he is up there a ways, but he who is in the fog of illusion and thinks he knows he is at the top of the ladder is happy to tell the world how high and mighty he is. Such a one is doomed to future embarrassment when the truth about his real status is revealed." Boy, isn't that the truth! The world seems replete with examples of this... Kathy Lee Gifford and her "perfect" husband Frank seem to be a prime example of this, and, of course, there are many others (Bill Clinton also comes to mind). It just comes as a reminder that no matter how good it gets for us, it is that way because God is good. His grace is the sweetest gift I have ever experienced and one for which I am so grateful. Then JJ asks: "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." Being trashed in the media, losing one's good name, could be one example, like that guy who was practically assumed guilty in the Atlanta Olympics bombing before any real due process was afforded him. The IRS can also turn people's lives upside down. In fact, I met an IRS supervisor one day last September when I had some time on my hands before meeting friends, and decided to read some book I was reading by the pool at the San Jose Fairmont Hotel. They were meeting to discuss ways to improve their image. It occurred to me later after talking with this nice man, that even the most affluent companies in the Silicon Valley don't use the Fairmont - it is too expensive, too luxurious, for most business uses. Yet here were IRS folks, staying on tax payer dollars at this cream of the crop hotel. The IRS, the AFT, the DEA - these people seem to do pretty much what they want, whether they are ultimately going after the right person or someone who is totally innocent. People have committed suicide over less weighty matters. Insurance companies also have the power of life and death in terms of whether or not they approve coverage for life saving treatments. These are just a few examples that came to mind... Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1868 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re : Comments xavier wrote: "So safety is my answer. Fear leads to asking for protection. But it turns out that the one that gives you protection is the one that threatened your safety in the first place!" Hi Xavier, There is a lot of truth in this statement. Prime examples are government agencies and in the early days of the 20th century in America when the mobs ruled or ran rampant in cities by extortion of business owners by breaking things in their stores if the owners didn't pay them for "protection". Today it's called insurance and they get away with it "legally". Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1869 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: [Fwd: The Next Step and The Sign of the Name] Tracey wrote: "Being trashed in the media, losing one's good name, could be one example, like that guy who was practically assumed guilty in the Atlanta Olympics bombing before any real due process was afforded him." I remember this, because I happened to be in your country back in '96 when this happened and I was watching live coverage sent straight from the Centennial park. That dude Richard Jewell (I think his name was? :) yeah I remember how his life was pretty much turned into a living hell as he was basically being judged guilty in front of everybody even if there was no real substantial evidence. Basically, humiliating a human being in front of a public, pointing the all-knowing finger at him, making him guilty even if there's nothing saying he has done anything wrong, man, that can suck, so bad you don't wanna be around no more. Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1870 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: [Fwd: The Next Step and The Sign of the Name] Samu writes: "Basically, humiliating a human being in front of a public," But I don't see how that would make one take ones life, because if he's innocent then that's his saving grace. Even OJ didn't cash in after his public humiliation. Then there's the lady who had to wear an A on her dress. Remember who I mean? Oh, the Scarlet Letter. Naw, I don't see how public humiliation could cause someone to lose their life. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe we should be talking about losing one's life other than at one's own hands? Hmmmm????? LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1871 From: BETTY NOREM Subject: Re: Atheism "Diane Linen" writes: "I liked what I just heard on the radio, we are all heading towards the same end; it's just that some of us make it there sooner or later than others." I agree, Diane - even the so-called Atheists - they just don't know it yet! I don't think it matters whether or not anyone believes in God, an after-life, Heaven or Hell or if this physical life is all there is - we are all going to make it back to join the ONE SOURCE eventually, whether we believe it or not. It's just that some will make it sooner than later - and we will know that we have begun the journey when we start questioning what the so-called religious authorities(the Beasty!) tell us is the TRUTH, and begin to seek the answers within our own beings, and learn to trust what our Intuitive Self, our Higher Self knows to be TRUTH. And I believe the first step for some people is to go thru a period of denial & non-beleif in any kind of Higher Power, and this may involve more than one lifetime, but eventually the Light Workers will find a way to set that person's feet on the right path so he/she can begin their journey back to the Light. I like the following quotes by Edgar Cayce: "All are tried as in the fires of self. For He has not willed that any soul should perish, but has with every temptation, every trial, prepared a way of escape. And they that are His, He will not allow to be tempted beyond that they are able to bear." (Reading 3292-1) "Each soul is destined to become a portion again of the First Cause or back to its maker." (Reading 987-2) Much Love & Many Blessings to All, Betty Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1872 From: BETTY NOREM Subject: Re: Prayers Samu Karlsson writes: "I have included your daughter in my prayers, Betty. All Love, Samu" Thank you very much, Samu - we appreciate it! Also my prayers are with you and your family. Love & Blessings, Betty Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1873 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Under beast vs. Free, 1 Nu Pic Samu Karlsson writes: "Hey All, Have been enjoying reading your posts today :) Gotta say, when I read JJ's combined comments post, I was thinking what a cool group of intelligent folks this is. I mean, look at the things you are saying there! Pearls of Wisdom, they are :)" "Yes, I've been feeling that each quote in JJ's message was like when an actor enters a stage, and brings his own light. Each was impressive. They came one after another, bringing their energy; and I could just feel the flow nourish my aura. As if each was saying: "present and contributing" No I was not ashamed of myself, I took care of myself very well these days :)" "Then JJ talked about John and Me, and I smiled: after all I'm in the boat too, even if I'm crying at the gulls! or swimming around the hull like a happy playful dolphin! There must be a joker child in the middle too. And I know I have my hours of wisdom-giving also. I'm just in the belly these days, and making it pleasurable too.. :) I'm loving myself, don't worship me, ;) but I'm loving myself ;;))" You were not exactly entering a stage, just answering the call, presenting your energy wisdom and contribution to the building, adding your fuel, then the next one spoke, and wow one after another.. I thought: this is gonna build something impressive and worthwhile for sure. I feel so good I'll send you my Franz Bardon's quote I typed yesterday Pretty off-topic but I need it, and as I learn here, what I need to do often brings happyness to others then...see my next post! Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1874 From: "xavier" Subject: "OFF-TOPIC" Franz Bardon's exercise: psychic mirror. Samu Karlsson writes: "Well, I think it is key to always be aware of where you're at. If you do not know where you are on your path, stop for a moment and take a look around. Many people just rush headlong without any sense of direction. Be brutally (or possible gently:) honest with yourself, who you are, where you are, and what your goals are. Very simple, very hard, often because we are not listening to our own needs, but those voices outside of ourselves that tells what we should do and who we should be to be somebody. In many ways we have been taught..." Reading Samu's post, I went back to Franz Bardon's quotes which I didn't type because I was afraid of not being pondering by myself. Yet they fit nicely in Rick's post, and now in Samu's so I'll try once more: (I'm happy to do it, it reads so good, you'll see!) Magic Psychic Training (I) Introspection or self-knowledge In our own mansion, meaning our body and our soul, we must, at every moment, find our way about. Therefore our first task will be to know ourselves. Each initiation system, no matter which kind it be, will put this condition in the first place. Without self-knowledge there will be no development on a higher level. In the first days of psychic training, let us deal with the practical part of introspection or self-knowledge. Arrange for a magic diary and enter all the bad sides of your soul into it. This diary is for your own use only, and must not be shown to anybody else. It represents the so-called control-book for you. In the self-control of your failures, habits, passions, instincts and other ugly character traits, you have to observe a hard and severe attitude towards yourself. Be merciless towards yourself and do not embellish any of your failures and deficiencies. Think about yourself in quiet meditation, put yourself back into different situations of your past, remember how you did behave then and which mistakes or failures occurred in the various situations. Make note of all your weaknesses, down to the finest nuances and variations. The more you are discovering, all the better for you. Nothing must remain hidden, nothing unrevealed, however insignificant or great your faults or frailties may be. Some especially endowed disciples have been able to discover hundreds of failures in the finest shades. Disciples perfectly clean, sweep all the dust out of it. This self-analysis is one of the most important magic preliminaries. Many of the occult systems have neglected it, and that is why they did not achieve good results. This psychic preliminary work is indispensable to obtain the magic equilibrium, and without it, there is no regular progress of the development to be thought of. You therefore ought to vow some minutes' time to self- criticism in the morning and at night. If you have got the chance of some free moments during the day, avail yourself of them and do some intensive thinking, whether there are still some faults hidden anywhere and if you discover them, record them on the spot not to forget a single one. Whenever you happen to find out any deficiency, do not delay to note it immediately. If you do not succeed, within a week, in discovering all your faults, spend another week on these inquiries until you have definitely established your list of offences. Having achieved this problem within one or two weeks, you have reached the point to begin with a further exercise. Now by intensive thinking, try to assign each fault to one of the four elements. Appoint a rubric in your diary to each element and enter your faults into it. About some of the faults you will not feel sure which of the elements they are to be assigned to. Record them under the heading of "indifferent". In the progressive development you will be able to determine the element to your corresponding deficiency. For instance, you will ascribe jealousy, hatred, vindictiveness, irascibility, anger to the fiery element; frivolity, self-presumption, boasting, squandering, gossiping to the element of air; indifference, laziness, frigidity, compliance, negligence, shyness, insolence, instability to the watery element; laziness, conscienceless, melancholy, irregularity, anomaly and dullness to the element of earth. In the following week you will meditate on each single rubric dividing it in three groups. In the first group you will enter the biggest failures, especially those which influence you strongest or happen at the slightest opportunity. The second group will embrace faults occurring less frequently and in a slighter degree. In the last group you are recording those faults which happen only now and again. Go on doing so with the indifferent faults, too. Work conscientiously at all times, it is worth while! There's two paragraphs more but i stop here. good night! quoted from Franz Bardon, "initiation into hermetics, a practice of magic" publisher Dieter Ruggeberg - Wuppertal - western germany they have a site on the net. The original German title of this book is clearer: "Der Weg zum wahren Adepten" that is: (rolling drum) :) The Way to the True Adept Thanks folks!! I'll type more if I'm allowed to! Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1875 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: [Fwd: The Next Step and The Sign of the Name] LeLona Hodges writes: "Samu writes: "Basically, humiliating a human being in front of a public," But I don't see how that would make one take ones life, because if he's innocent then that's his saving grace. Even OJ didn't cash in after his public humiliation. Then there's the lady who had to wear an A on her dress. Remember who I mean? Oh, the Scarlet Letter. Naw, I don't see how public humiliation could cause someone to lose their life. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe we should be talking about losing one's life other than at one's own hands? Hmmmm????? LeLona" Someone can easily commit suicide when his whole world seems to point at him and curse. And if it's not suicide it can be ruination of one's life that leads to illness and death too. Funny you don't see this. You must be way over the barrier already, healer! If I hate myself to the point of not bearing life anymore, won't I die from it? ;;)) Don't worry for me, my critical test is over now. I survived. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1876 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: The Next Step and The Sign of the Name xavier writes: "But, Xavier, been there, done that. Your point is well taken, and yes, whether one commits suicide quickly, or chooses an illness to do the death act slowly and painfully, it's still the same." "I tried to commit suicide once, when I was younger, because I thought there was no way out of the situation I was in. I swallowed an entire bottle of sleeping pills. Someone found me and walked me for hours and hours, coffee, tea, soda, walking, whatever it took to wake me up. And, tho I understand it, I am over the barrier, WAY over the barrier. But I remember the feeling of being backed into a corner and thinking there was no out." "LeLona. someone can easily commit suicide when his whole world seems to point at him and curse. And if it's not suicide it can be ruination of one's life that leads to illness and death too. Funny you don't see this. You must be way over the barrier already, healer! "If I hate myself to the point of not bearing life anymore, won't I die from it?" Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1877 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Sign of the Name JJ wrote: "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." Hmmmm....I am going to go down swinging and say that this leverage refers to public approval. The respect of one's peers, and all that crap. People worry so much about what other people -- sometimes whole hordes of other people -- think. I believe it was Wayne Dyer who said something along these lines: "Reputation is merely other people's opinions. Since I can't control other people's opinions of me, I can't control my reputation....and so I don't care or worry about it" Peace, ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1878 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Sign of the Name JJ wrote: "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." John Kosior reminded me of something when he wrote: "I think part of the answer is in the question. It is this idea of freedom. I know that we in the US have a very high regard for our freedom, but as I have examined life in the "free world system", I have found that one must now jump through a tremendous number of hoops in order to maintain our "freedom"." We don't really have "freedom". What we have is a set of Liberties; and we can enjoy them as long as we adhere to the structure under which those liberties are permitted. Thanks for shaking my brain, folks. ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1879 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : The Green Boots that just made me cry. Who knows why? (not asking) past and present. thanks. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1880 From: "xavier" Subject: off-topic?? : fear of death, partisan, france, beast, my life. War. So you see that fear can lead to death. In our country we still have to fight for truth and liberation, and are challenged to do it. It may be my biggest fear right now, the one that crushed me down in adolescence: say what you are and everybody will try to kill you, don't say it and you will feel like you are killing yourself and others hope. There was that partisan-thing during the war, and i was just chatting right now with a Brazilian woman who has memories of a previous incarnation as a partisan that was gunned down. I guess that she learned with that feat all that she had to learn in France and now passed to south America to prepare the sixth sub-race to come there. Cayce said that many US citizens were French in past lives, and I'd say they earned their freedom by righteously fighting. The fear here in France is very big: to say what you think and feel you have to face the whole family/society and risk internation in an asylum. I know it's not a dictatorship but the pressure is still very great. The social pressions are just too much for timids to bear. You must be a hero to pass that test. IT's funny how we fall back on our feet after a jump in the air and get back on the track of JJ's post. Nothing's like a false off-topic to find an answer isn't it? When I was 18 I felt like the world was splitting me in two, and like my mother was printing her foot on me, and making a footprint of my body see what I mean?? I did not cry out loud what i Thought, and I just exploded inside. It kind of opened my spiritual centers, but it also kind of killed my lower ones, and ripped my soul out of my body, I actually felt my love and consciousness abilities being torn out of myself. That's why I'm so tasty with children-education, see. :) The point with me is that I kept my head during the process, at least enough to see that it was happening, but I feel that others, my sisters for example, just lost memories of what they were before the crush of their personalities by that nice little pesky beast. I really felt like in a dictatorship, and a brutal one, that acts through emotions, but there is the physical side too: blows, and abandon, menace to kill, or to put in psychiatric hospital. I believe now that if I had fought for my rights, and expressed my feelings, I would have won, but who knows? Can a child, and the younger one, change his whole family by power at adolescence? Anyway I bottled everything up, and what happens when you keep a light tightly closed? It dies or explodes. Here I am, firework, son of thunder and lightning, happy to meet you ..;) It's in my birth-angel name, L-A-V, A the primal fire is buried under L, service to others. An author here, Kabaleb, says that it makes explosion and exceptional survivors, I like that image ::) This angels protects from thunder, I understand why now. And when I see the way I introduce myself on news forum, I really wield thunder and lightning. You should see the boom I did on a French esoterism forum these days, I'm still smiling about it..:) Remember how I introduced myself here by a fight? Imagine the same in my own fighters country ;;)) A book I read "the nine lives of the Christ" says that the celts learned through fighting, and Jesus was attacked there when he studied there and expressed truths that put the celtish mistery school a school among other ones, and not the absolute school. All the druids wanted to kill him!!! The test was to go on saying what is true, and yet not get killed!! I should reread it to review it better. In India it was all un-action and "passive" wisdom, but with the celts the swords were at his throat!! That's what I like here too. When you get what it's about around here, it's kinda funny. Some said I have been much Hindu, and my reactions until now and my face as a baby are much like the Hindu-way (and the old spiritual guide too;)) Here I learn to be a fighter and an egoist, and I feel like I'm trained at that by life. No false highness. And complete courage. At times I'm even eager to see a war down in the streets where I live. Finally something interesting to live!! At times I feel like we are trained for the big time when everybody will moan in the streets after a apocalypse-like break-down. Civil war, people getting mad and irresponsible. I feel that in that situation, I finally would have something interesting to do, and a way to serve and live. In my life here I keep living out of life. What would I work for? Out of fear of social despise? pah!!! I live like a hermit, and I learn to accept my failures and get along with my neighbours, but that society is no thrill for me. Don't mistake me I don't wish for war at all, I just have these feelings I might be useful and lively then. The beast is much about that: making our lives boring out of social conventionalism. I despise it as if I had been a warrior in the past. The Tigers and the Jackals don't live in the same places. I heard that in a movie lately. Do I need to tell you I don't boast or believe I am anything particular, just express my feelings and the way I understand myself? no, for sure. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-28/1881 From: Rick Audette Subject: Public opinion I was just thinking, I spent years learning to accept myself. I, slowly, tell those that are closest to me the truth about who I am. Did it bother them? Did they stop liking me? Did they think I was weird? Mostly, no. Most of them said things like, "oh, that. I already knew" and "No big deal, we know the whole you and that's just one tiny, harmless thing." and "no, I don't think less of you, in fact I think you are very courageous, to be strong enough to trust others with knowing that." There have only been a few people that were un-accepting and voiced disapproval. So, tonight I am thinking about who those people were and did they have anything in common. It didn't take long to realize that these few did have one thing in common. Each of them had created a false image of me, based on what they expected me to provide for them. They could not accept the real me and would spare no energy in trying to change me into the person that fit their false image. When they found they could not change me, using friendly forms of coercion, they would get nasty (one even tried to kill me). Well, I can be pretty darn stubborn. I follow what my heart tells me. If someone points out an error in my thoughts or actions and in my heart I see he spoke true, then I will be the first to admit I was wrong and I can change in the blink of an eye. But I'll be damned if I'll change, just to satisfy someone's image, born of greed, of what a good man is. Having learned this, I am ready to move on and let the dead bury the dead. Thanks for letting me share, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1882 From: "Karen Surface" Subject: Re: off-topic??: fear of death, partisan, France, beast, my life. War. Hello Xavier, enjoyed your post, interesting views. I can fight and have, still living is proof of that, and I will admit when I was younger there was a thrill in the fight to continue. Sometimes that's what it got down to, a matter of continuing to continue. You go Little Brother, every Light has to shine, some are just louder than others. "God, Please Help Me to Remember That I am Unique; Just Like Everyone Else. Light Everlasting, Y'All......kc " From: xavier "So you see that fear can lead to death." Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1883 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: Sign of the Name JJ writes: "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." I think the leverage is fear. If the beast can keep you fearful, you remain locked into the lower energies, unable to move up to the heart. Diane made some good comments about the Federal Mafia - uh - I mean the IRS. I've already gone into a rant on this subject in a post early on in this list, so I won't repeat it here. It is depressing for me to even think about what I am currently going through with the IRS, so, I'll end it here. Garrett (currently without a rug) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1884 From: Rick Audette Subject: Songs I've been taking some time to transcribe some of the songs I've written over the years, into this computer. Here are three, written 30 years ago, which mean as much now as when I wrote them Rick ___________________________________ "The Movie of Your Life" I'd like to see The movie of your life It would be complete With everything you've done The thoughts that you've had The battles that you've won On the road to learning to be One And when the movie's over I'll look into your eyes And there will be love there Uniting You and I I'd like to hear The music of your life It would be complete With every song you've sung The melodies you've rang The rhythms you've swung On the way to learning to belong And when the music's over... I'd like to share The moments of your life The times you are unsure And clouds are gathered in Then when you're smiling bright Knowing that you'll win When you look inside And learn that we are one And when the moment's over.... I'd like to know The feelings of your life Your armor opened wide With nothing locked inside Expose your greatest joys Release your deepest fears As the story unfolds I'm standing very near And when the feelings over I'll look into your eyes And there will be love there Uniting you and I _____________________ ODDS ARE IN YOUR FAVOR The odds are in your favor You're gonna get there sooner or later Whatcha mean, to me you say at first Well, I guess by now you've felt the thirst That is to say, the time will come When you'll be feeling we all are One And you'll be wanting to know What's going on Are you getting a message Or being put on And when you come to the fork in the road Will you take the right path, or fail the goal I wish I could help you sail your boat But I've got mine to keep afloat But the odds are in your favor You're gonna get there sooner or later _____________________________________ I HAVE A FRIEND I have a friend I think you'd like him If you could see him like I do He holds his head up, when he's talking The kind of man who sees things thru And he doesn't seem too bothered, when his feet get in hot water He just grabs a bar of soap And takes a bath He knows all things revolve around him And likewise he around them He's the master of his fate For which he's thankful To the Masters that he serves in return And everyone that knows him Says there's a light that's a glowin' Through him and everything That he touches I'd like to be more like he is Doing the things he can do I'd hold my head up when I'm walking You'd see my light come shining through And one day, wait and see That man inside of me Will come and claim his throne Like he ought to Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1885 From: "J.D. Stevens" Subject: Re: Comments Trixie writes: "What do You mean The Mark are you speaking of the mark of Cain? If so I can inform you as to what the mark is and how you can tell who has it." J J Dewey wrote: "See if you can come up with additional statements made by those who have the mark and those who have escaped it." "The more truth I learn and apply to my life, the more I hear things like, "You've changed, you just not the same anymore." "I don't understand you. The way you act is so different from the old you." (These comments were not meant in a positive way.) In fact, I heard these exact words yesterday. "Years ago, these statements would have devastated me and I would have done everything in my power to CHANGE BACK and be accepted again. Today, I smile. Trixie" Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1886 From: Sherry Subject: Re: Songs Dear Rick: I woke up this morning around 4, and wrote down my dream in my dream journal, first dream I have remembered in about a month...it was my first boyfriend and I reunited, after almost 30 years...and we were dancing together and talking about a child named sarah...a little girl I know, and he says..he knows..because he used to babysit for her...and in the dream I say to this..you are so motivated...at the end of the dream..I know we are reunited..All this I had written in my journal..and then after meditating, and wondering about the dream...I click on to computer..and here is your song...how beautiful... thanks sherry "been taking some time to transcribe some of the songs I've written over the years, into this computer. Here are three, written 30 years ago, which mean as much now as when I wrote them Rick" Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1887 From: J J Dewey Subject: Livelihood It's been an interesting day of posting. I have been touched by those of you who have shared your experiences. Rick and Xavier's names come to mind. I also enjoyed Rick's songs. I might comment to Xavier that there is a new war for us to fight, but this war will be different from a physical war and in many ways more difficult. The war will be against the ignorance of the sleeping masses and to wake them to the true opportunities of the dawning of a new age. (Note I say new age rather than new agers.) To make a person aware of the mark of the beast within him is extremely difficult and takes much strength and power to shift a person's attention to the Name of the Father. As this is accomplished both good and evil will result. The good part is that as you awaken one person from the hold of the beast a thousand more are brought a little closer to independence. The bad news is that many who want to remain in a deep sleep do not wish to be awakened and will struggle mindlessly to avoid the light. Just as one who is sleeping in hates to have the light turned on so too will the late sleepers of this age resist that which is inevitable. All your comments today have been worthy of further contemplation. Several gave interesting additional possible quotes from those who have and don't have the mark. Then I asked the following: "What leverage does the beast have over us in the free world, which has almost as powerful of a hold as does the power of life and death? In fact some even take their lives when this rug is pulled out from under them." Basically all your answers were somehow related to the answer I had in mind. The "image of the Beast" or the totalitarian governments will take the lives of those who do not conform. But it is interesting that the beast in the free world controls us through our "livelihood" which for many is just as effective as control by physical life or death. Think of it. After a person has twenty years or so invested in a career he often becomes more terrified of losing his job than his life. We all know the story of the fired postal worker who goes crazy and shoots up the place then kills himself. If the beast has power to dry up our resources of earning a living that power can generate all the control and fear that is necessary. The inward desire to escape the power of the beast or unjust authority is one reason so many people go into business for themselves. Many independent souls are willing to work harder and make less for the privilege of freedom from blind authority. Someone else mentioned group or peer pressure. This too can be a strong tool of authority. Someone else mentioned fear. All the tools of the beast use fear to some degree. In fact the beast uses illusion to blow the fear up far beyond what it should be. Loosing your job or the respect of your group should not be the end of the world, but many are deceived into thinking it is. Question: How has business and the art of making a living evolved in the past 100 years in a positive way making it easier for some to move away from strong authority? On the other hand, how are many others even more tied down by the authority of the beast than ever before? Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1888 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Sense of self, feeling humiliated LeLona wrote: "Basically, humiliating a human being in front of a public," "But I don't see how that would make one take ones life, because if he's innocent then that's his saving grace. Even OJ didn't cash in after his public humiliation." "Then there's the lady who had to wear an A on her dress. Remember who I mean? Oh, the Scarlet Letter." "Naw, I don't see how public humiliation could cause someone to lose their life." See LeLona, I think it solely depends on the individual and their sense of self. If you know who you are, you'll be fine, and no matter what anybody says to you/of you changes your self-opinion, nothing lowers it. But, if you're under the authority of those outside, and you buy who they tell you, you are, then it's different. Then you're under their control, and when you hear a lie many times enough, it becomes your perverted truth. If you believe everything that other people tell you, you are, you're lost, because you can't hold the focus of your real self any longer. Even worse, if there *is* some amount of substantial truth in what you're being accused of, and these other folks claim you for even worse things, you might start believe that yeah I did it, I really am that way, and I probably could've done even worse/more 'evil' things, and I can not even change my ways, because I was just told 'the truth' of who I am. That was a very drastic example, I know. But I know incidents that have happened very close to me when people have lost faith in their self, other's have kept accusing them instead of encouraging them to grasp the lessons, find self and move on with a new direction, and the results have been fatal. But yes it's true, not everybody would go to such extremes. It all depends on *who you sense yourself to be*. As I am reading many of your posts, I can see that many have been at a point of feeling there is no way out. I too was there once. The way I felt wasn't really that there'd be no way out, but rather I couldn't find the way out of the state I was in. I feel very blessed to have had some incredible 3d angels who supported me unconditionally and helped me find my own strength and the way leading to my own path. That's what it's all about, being there for each other, unconditionally. Once you've been helped in a way like that, you know how incredible it feels for someone to receive that support, and you want to be there for others. The story Garrett shared about Heaven and Hell and people feeding each other with 12 feet long spoons was incredibly beautiful. The difference is so little, yet so vast. The little difference that makes all the difference. It is like with us human beings. Sometimes we think we are just lil not-too-important beings, but we are the ones that make all the difference, right when we decide to go for it. We're all both the ones who are running on the track, competing with ourselves, as much as we are the ones cheering each other from the audience. Ain't it Grand? :) Much love and big hugs to All, Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1889 From: John Pesonen Subject: 2d to 3d Let's move on kids !!!! http://michiganupnorth.com/avalon/html/3dpeaceworld.html John A. Pesonen Avalon Web "Spirit of Essence" http://michiganupnorth.com/avalon Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1890 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Livelihood J J Dewey wrote: "Question: how has business and the art of making a living evolved in the past 100 years in a positive way making it easier for some to move away from strong authority." "On the other hand, how are many others even more tied down by the authority of the beast than ever before?" Entrepreneurial capabilities have enabled many people to start their own businesses and get out from under the auspices of bigger companies. It's easier today to start one's own business than it used to be. These new businesses have to find a certain market for their products or services to compete with larger businesses. The computer industry is one example and I can think of several that qualify in this realm. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak are a couple that come to mind when they started Apple and sold personal computers out of their garage. Bill Gates is another one that started with software and he's now the wealthiest man in the world. One of the richest men in the country but not quite as large as Gates, is Michael Dell. Dell started making computers when he was still in school and now he's a leading computer manufacturer in the world and he is considered among the richest in this country too. These men started with not much and became leaders in the world of business. I would say that people who belong to unions are tied down by the authority of the beast because they allow themselves to be led by the unions rather than taking responsibility for their own lives in their jobs. To me this is rather like insurance companies which gain authority over the very people they profess to help. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1891 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Reputation, other's opinions, American music etc. B quoted: "I believe it was Wayne Dyer who said something along these lines: "Reputation is merely other people's opinions. Since I can't control other people's opinions of me, I can't control my reputation....and so I don't care or worry about it" Exactly. Your reputation is really about what others are able or allow themselves to perceive of you. You cannot control your reputation, because you can not control other's opinion of you. What you can control and should take care of is who you are and express yourself truthfully in each moment. What other's see is in the mind of the beholder, themselves. Best possible scenario, the vision of the one projecting meets the one of the seer. One cannot expect other's to see the truth of you unless that is what you are displaying to others. Just as well, you'd do good doing the best you can in looking at other's and seeing all that they are, without projecting your own ideas of who you think they are or should be onto them. You are responsible to yourself, first and foremost. And that is not being selfish, unless you make it so. If you take care of yourself, always going for the highest you know and realize that's the best thing you can do to All, then you are on the path where all will benefit most. That's the way I see it. Also, in my earlier letter about sense of self and feeling humiliated, being humiliated and losing touch with your true self doesn't necessarily lead to physical death, but if you start following that process of not being in touch with you within, it may result to you not allowing the one you are inside to live. And if that happens, you're basically a zombie without a mind of your own, and in my book, in a way that is being even more 'dead' than having your physical body die. I think it is time to lighten up a little having talked about all these 'dark' subjects :) Let me share something funny that happened to me today. Well I don't know how funny, but I think it was an interesting coincidence, to say the least :) I've stayed at home today because I came down with a flu, but yesterday I had long discussion with a friend of mine about music. The same dude that was making fun of the cancer patients. Now that we've shared a little more of each other, we've realized how much we have in common, and we've become quite a good friends :) He plays guitar like I do, and we share the taste in music, I mean I love so many different kinds of music, but usually good melodies and harmonies is thee thang for me :) So, he asks if I've heard about a band called Camel, which is one of his favorites. No, I answer truthfully, never heard of them, so he offers to borrow me his old albums from the late 70's and early 80's. Man, today I received almost 10 vinyls :) But, he also borrowed some albums we hadn't been talking about, and the first one on the top of the pile was from a band called America. The cover's not in too good of a shape, and basically it says it's from 197x, but I can sort of see half of the last number, and it looks to be 2, so this record would date from the year I was born. That's cool, I thought. Then I start looking at the names of the players, and boy was I chuckling when I read that one of the guys who plays 6-string acoustic and sings some of the leads, his first name is Dewey. Well, how appropriate :) I am just listening to the album for the first time, and I really like it. Good melodies and harmonies, just like it should be. Very uplifting too, gives me good vibes :) Anybody else familiar with this band? :) Thanks for letting me voice myself, Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1892 From: Edward A Robinson Subject: Re: Songs Excellent! Thank you for sharing it. My spouse really likes it as well. Love, Peace & Happiness in the new year. Ed Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1893 From: Rick Audette Subject: ESP Hi Keysters, Anybody want to know a sure-fire and safe way to develop ESP. Check out this new page. http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/virtue.htm At your service, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1894 From: "xavier" Subject: off-topic: America music band Samu Karlsson writes: "6-string acoustic and sings some of the leads, his first name is Dewey. Well, how appropriate :) I am just listening to the album for the first time, and I really like it. Good melodies and harmonies, just like it should be. Very uplifting too, gives me good vibes :) Anybody else familiar with this band? :) Thanks for letting me voice myself, Samu :)" Yes, They have been famous here in France, and indeed their melodies are extraordinary uplifting. "In the desert, you can't remember your name, for there ain't no one for to give you no mame" Makes me feel very much like listening to them again. There's something very special in their music, yes. I'm feeling very cleaned and uplifted today, maybe due to the pantacle I wear around the neck :) I'm sure Rick knows them, and maybe has a link to some web-files of their music. Do you Rick? Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1895 From: b morgan Subject: Re: Reputations, others opinions Just to answer Samu's question, yes, I was very fond of the band "America" back in high school. They were very popular here in Northern California in the '70's. They wrote a number of happy tunes. Hope you are enjoying them, Samu! (I especially liked Ventura Highway, and one that I don't remember the name of but had words that went "Well, I keep on thinkin' 'bout you, sister golden hair surprise....") Blessings, Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1896 From: b morgan Subject: Re: Livelihood J J Dewey wrote: "Question: how has business and the art of making a living evolved in the past 100 years in a positive way making it easier for some to move away from strong authority. On the other hand, how are many others even more tied down by the authority of the beast than ever before?" Well, my dad comes to mind. He started out as a manager in the insurance industry, then went independent (being as he has never been real willing to kiss anyone's butt - and especially those who seem to insist on it; he taught me the same attitude, for better or worse!), and is now specialized in estate planning, helping others to avoid giving the government, rather than their heirs, their hard earned money when it is distributed according to their will. How are others more tied down by authority than ever before? Well, for one thing, there is a plethora of laws one must follow, from tax laws to employment laws to things as simple as business licenses. I mean, if I provide a product or service you want and are willing to pay me for, do you think it is as simple as I sell it to you and you give me money? Heck no. I need an accountant and a lawyer and God knows what else to make sure all my t's are crossed and i's are dotted. In fact, the idea of going into business for myself has crossed my mind from time to time, yet I find the whole idea intimidating and overwhelming (mind you, I am easily overwhelmed!). I'm sure there's more to JJ's question than just this, but this is what came to mind. Blessings, Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1897 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Reputation, other's opinions, American music etc. Samu, Here is some of what I've found out about the band, America. Biography The members of America met on a US Air force base in England, where their parents were stationed. They first formed the trio in 1971. Playing acoustic music they decided to name the band after their homeland, America. The sound of America is often compared to Crosby, Stills, and Nash. They landed a contract with Warner Bros records in the UK, and released their first single Horse with no name which hit 3 in the UK charts. Due to the success of the single, Warner decided to release it in the US where it quickly claimed the top spot on the charts. Horse with no name was followed up with two consecutive top 10 hits in the US. I need you and Ventura Highway. 1972 seemed to be their year, they never again reached the success of their debut. They did however have a number 1 hit with Sister Golden Hair in 1975. A country rock love song. Five years after their debut Dan Peek left the band to pursue a solo career. America hit the U.S. top 10 once again in 1982 With the single You Can Do Magic off of their View From The Ground Album. America continues releasing albums, and touring in the 90's. Important Facts submitted by fans. The legendary producer of the Beatles, George Martin, produced all AMERICA's albums from 1974 to 1979 (beginning with HOLIDAY and the last being SILENT LETTER). AMERICA won a Grammy Award in 1972 for Best New Artist. Written by Keavin Wiggins (Managing Editor) please E-Mail your remarks or questions to Keavin@rocknworld.com Thanks to Mark Cole for correcting some factual errors we obtained during our research. Web pages Horsewithnoname.com America America Fans Home Page UBL Feed back Please E-Mail your remarks or questions to Keavin@rocknworld.com Original Members Dewey Bunnell - Guitar, Vocals Gerry Beckley - Guitar, Vocals Dan Peek - Guitar, Vocals Current Members Gerry Beckley - Guitars, Piano, Vocals Dewey Bunnell - Guitar, Vocals Michael Woods - Lead guitar, Piano Willie Leacox - Drums Brad Palmer - Bass, Vocals Albums America ( Horse with no name) - 1972 Warner Bros. Homecoming - 1972 Warner Bros. Hat Trick - 1973 Warner Bros Holiday - 1974 Warner Bros Hearts - 1975 Warner Bros History:Greatest hits - 1975 Warner Bros Hideaway - 1976 Warner Bros. Live - 1977 Warner Bros Harbor - 1977 Warner Bros Silent Letter - 1979 Capitol Alibi - 1980 Capitol View from the Ground - 1982 Warner Bros Your Move - 1983 Capitol Perspective - 1984 Capitol In Concert - 1985 Capitol Encore: More Greatest Hits - 1991 Rhino Ventura Highway & Other Favorites - 1992 CSP Hourglass - 1994 American Grama King Biscuit Flower Hour - 1996 King Biscuit Human Nature - 1998 Oxygen Records Dan Peek Solo Doer of the Word - Lion and Lamb - 1984 Electrovoice - 1986 Crossover - 1987 Best of - 1988 Peace - 1991 Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1898 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Livelihood Hi Tracey, Your view of what kind of hoops your father had to go through in order to do business is very enlightening. Thanks for sharing it. I would be overwhelmed by all of that too. Your post has made me reflect upon my views about insurance. I have not had very positive experiences with insurance companies and that makes me feel quite negative about them. I needed to use mine and was penalized by them the next time they raised the rates out of my ability to keep insured. So I have no health insurance now. I would love to be able to say I have a positive attitude about them but I have a hard time finding anything positive to say. I apologize if what I have said in the past about insurance companies has offended anyone in any way. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1899 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Livelihood Diane Linen writes: "I apologize if what I have said in the past about insurance companies has offended anyone in any way." I'm not going to apologize for what I have to say, I'm just going to say it: Insurance companies are betting you don't need them, and when you buy their coverage you're betting you will need them. Either way it's a gamble and no one wins. Of course, the biggest industry is the Catholic Church. And I'm not apologizing for saying that either, it's a fact. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1900 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Livelihood I don't apologize for how I feel or think, only "if" I offended someone. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1901 From: b morgan Subject: Re: Livelihood Even my father can't stand most insurance companies! He keeps close tabs on which companies are solvent and which ones are on shaky ground. I view insurance as a "necessary evil." When I was 19, I was going to college and working in a local Mexican restaurant. A group of us sort of threatened to bring in a union if conditions didn't improve in our workplace, and we were rewarded for our efforts with group medical benefits. Within DAYS of getting coverage, I wound up in the hospital in isolation for 4 days with pneumonia to the tune of about $2,000. - being covered so close to getting that sick was completely serendipitous. I don't like to bite the hand that feeds me, so to speak, but some of the battles I've incurred with insurance companies were so stressful that they probably ended up weakening my immune system! It really is a vicious circle - I fight with them for payment, causing myself to get sick again (probably), hence requiring more treatment which equals more insurance money! It's crazy. At least I have a sympathetic sounding board in my Dad. HMO's are the worst though . If you ever watch programs like Dateline or 20/20, you have heard the horror stories of people with cancer and the like being denied coverage for things like chemotherapy. I count myself blessed to never have had to lock horns with an HMO over issues like that. Talk about going postal! Trace Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1902 From: b morgan Subject: Questions, questions, have I got questions! The more I think about all this, the more questions seem to arise. I mean, do I have the mark of the beast because I would like to fit in, or go along and get along, in this complicated world in which we live? Or do I not have it, because I am a seeker of God and question authority and speak up with regard to some of the injustices I see and/or experience? (I write letters all the time to businesses, government officials, the Better Business Bureau, etc.) Sometimes I feel SO human! In all honesty, I look forward to JJ's posts more than anyone's (please do not take offense out there!), and I wonder if I am giving him too much of my "power." I'm not sure if any of what I'm feeling right now can be put into any sort of meaningful or coherent words. Sometimes I don't feel like I belong here, but I have yet to find any group of people, short of some folks I have met in Alcoholics Anonymous (uh-oh, I'm starting to show as much courage here as Rick!), who are on the same spiritual wavelength as I am. I feel like I am stumbling along spiritually speaking, and I am fascinated by how "evolved" or "enlightened" I find many of you to be. There is definitely a sense of unconditional acceptance here, along with a "live and let live" spirit. But why is seeking God such a challenge for me? Is it the same for anyone or everyone else out there? Is it God's will that I be in a job that I really don't enjoy (except for the 5 seconds every two weeks when I open my paycheck, and even then, I feel underpaid)? I may be opening a can of worms here and if I am, my apologies because I know this list is about much more than ME! I guess I have some serious self-doubts and perhaps this is not the place to have them addressed. If anyone wants to respond personally, I think my e-mail address shows here. Thanks for listening to my blah, blah, blah... Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1903 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Livelihood FIRST QUESTION: On the subject of business and making a living, I would have to say that the resurgence of entrepeneurism would be a significant part of the positive evolution that JJ is asking about. I say the "resurgence" because prior to the industrial revolution, most of the "work-force" was comprised of entrepreneurs: farmers, artisans, merchants, etc. After the industrial revolution, the numbers changed such that laborers far outnumbered the entrepreneurs. They still do, but entrepreneurs are on the rise thanks to developments in (internet) technology and communications in general. Many people are looking within to find what they love and are moved to "make a living" by doing just that. SECOND QUESTION: How are many others even more tied down by the authority of the beast than ever before? ----> Credit debt. It keeps them locked into the system. ~B. JJ wrote: "Question: how has business and the art of making a living evolved in the past 100 years in a positive way making it easier for some to move away from strong authority." "On the other hand, how are many others even more tied down by the authority of the beast than ever before?" Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1904 From: "Kurt Bruschek" Subject: Re: off-topic??: fear of death, partisan, france, beast, my life. War. Hi Xavier Sorry about picking up your mail, however I can't resist to explain to you some of my experiences. Lots of the things you describe in your letter, I did in fact experience in a similar way without to consent with either. Living in Austria for 35 years, I had that urge to leave the straitjacket environment, I had called dictatorship system, in its life threatening, indispensable demanding form, insatiable no matter what you did to please it. I was a warrior to up to the age of 35 to the point where I decided. Hey wake up, you are not going to win this, you got three kids a wife, 25 employees, they will win the fight. Smart me, I locked the company doors to take off to Canada, the land of the thousand opportunities. You know what and everybody encouraged us. I live here for 3 years and it is "great". However I still wear the straitjacket. And don't kid yourself, the system here is even more corrupt, more demanding, more dictatorship, more impudent and cruel then anything comparable I saw in Europe. And if I wouldn't have had discovered my spiritual life I probably would have given up. But now I'm fighting harder than ever, only from a different level. In peace, in harmony and full of love. Take care my friend Kurt Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1905 From: b morgan Subject: just 1 more question How do I know if I am making "soul contact"? I think that is what it is called, and I had never heard the phrase used until I came here. Thank you! Tracey Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1906 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Livelihood Well as long as I am on a roll, :-) I might as well mention my bad experiences with lawyers too. I was going to be subpoenaed to make a deposition in a lawsuit (not mine) and I was tired of the lawyers jerking me around and in essence saying that my time was far less valuable than theirs. I took a "vacation" and didn't tell anyone where I was for a week before the subpoena was to be served. When I came back home, they served me with it several weeks later after rescheduling the deposition. This annoyed the lawyers a LOT, but I figured that just because I didn't make their kind of money that didn't mean that my time was any less valuable to me. I really got tired of them ordering me around like that but when I gave my deposition, I did great and didn't give them any more information than I wanted to. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1907 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Livelihood Brian Weis wrote: "SECOND QUESTION: How are many others even more tied down by the authority of the beast than ever before? ----> Credit debt. It keeps them locked into the system. ~B." I think this is a great answer Brian. I forget credit cards since I no longer have any. Credit really does keep people locked into the system as you said. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1908 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: Reputation, other's opinions, American music etc. Samu, Your post has caused me to think about other people's opinions. It is so very true that you cannot control what someone else thinks. Rightly or wrongly they will think what they want. This has meaning to me because my sister is one who worries overly much what other people think. I have told her numerous times that people are going to think something and there is nothing you can do to change that. I told her that I refuse to live my life to suit someone else; constantly worrying what they think. I have to satisfy myself. Diane Samu Karlsson wrote: "B quoted: "I believe it was Wayne Dyer who said something along these lines: "Reputation is merely other people's opinions. Since I can't control other people's opinions of me, I can't control my reputation....and so I don't care or worry about it" "Exactly. Your reputation is really about what others are able or allow themselves to perceive of you. You can not control your reputation, because you can not control other's opinion of you. What you can control and should take care of is who you are and express yourself truthfully in each moment. What other's see is in the mind of the beholder, themselves." Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-29/1909 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: Questions, Questions... Tracey writes: "But why is seeking God such a challenge for me? Is it the same for anyone or everyone else out there? Is it God's will that I be in a job that I really don't enjoy..." You are not the only one Tracey. I don't understand why it is so difficult either. There are probably at least a few "lurkers" on this list who feel the same way . Why is the Truth so well hidden? Unfortunately, I am not the one who has the answers at this point. In my opinion, these are questions that should be addressed right here on the list instead of privately by e-mail. By keeping it out in the open, much could be gained by all. This may also tie-in with your next question: Tracey also writes: "How do I know if I am making "soul contact"? I think that is what it is called, and I had never heard the phrase used until I came here." Another excellent question. I know that I am not making soul contact at this time. Here is a quote from one of JJ's earlier posts that may help (message 545 from week 1998-46): "Someone asked about the Christ Consciousness." "Christ means "anointed" and it is a position held by various advanced beings on the various worlds." "The Christ Consciousness is something else and is achieved by the individual contacting the soul energy within himself. The soul is the point within yourself where the interplay of Spirit and matter is taking place. Thus when we talk about soul contact we are