1998 - WEEK 51 Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1691 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: 666 Revealed Part II Dear JJ, Thank you for the teaching you have revealed in Revealed Parts I and II. I have read them several times and expect to read them a lot more. They are true refreshment to the soul. J J Dewey wrote: "Now the next question is this. How is it possible for us to escape the mark and number of the Beast?" There's not a lot I can add to the great emails posted by Diane and Rick on this. The first thing I noticed is the Lamb - the true Lamb as opposed to the false lamb in the previous chapter - standing ready for action on Mt Zion (which speaks of grace and reconciliation for the true believers). With the Lamb is the 144,000 who have the Father's name written on their foreheads - God's seal as opposed to the beast's Mark. I think Rick's already talked about the symbolic nature of the number 144,000 really well - the number is symbolic of the multitude known by God which cannot be numbered (see Chapt 7) and whose names have been written in the Book of Life since the beginning (Chapt 13). The name of God written on their foreheads guarantees safety and security and enables them to escape the beast. We obtain it by following the true teachings of Spirit and not following blind authority of the beast but rather the authority of our inner witness. The sound - like the roar of water, the thunderous voice and the playing of harps - speak of majesty, power and celebration. It's a new song. Could it be our very own Song of the 144,000? A song that only the 144,000 - or redeemed from the earth - can learn. Love Glenys (still singing that Song) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool." - Plato Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1692 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: 666 Revealed Part II J J Dewey wrote: "Jesus came to present the image of the ideal man to which ordinary humans like you and me are to aspire. He is not the God of the Universe any more than you or I." I came to this belief a few years ago and I know what others responded when I would "dare" to make this statement so I was "careful" who I would say this to. "The believer hears this and responds with something like: "Blasphemy! How dare you attack our Lord and Savior and risk the damnation of hell. Why would you even consider belittling the Lord Jesus??? My Jesus is the God of the Universe and you humiliate Him." "When an honest seeker is attacked with words like this he may tend to doubt himself if he has not received Soul Contact. He may think something like this. "If I am wrong I will go to the lowest hell for all eternity so I had better be sure I am correct." I kept believing my personal beliefs and thought that if I were wrong, then so be it but I didn't think I was wrong nor did I believe that I would be eternally damned. "This type of thinking causes many seekers on the edge of enlightenment to doubt themselves and cease to challenge the Dragon's ideal that he >presents to the world for the sole purpose of controlling the masses." "Now after 2000 years it is time for the Lights of the earth to stand up for what is true, even if you are accused of blasphemy and of belittling the greatness of Avatars past." I believe I am ready. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1693 From: J J Dewey Subject Father's Name The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my last post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead? Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1694 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Father's Name J J Dewey wrote: "The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my last post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead?" By following the inner Christ that dwells within our hearts that leads us overcoming negative enslaving emotions and gives us peace 'beyond understanding'. The difference between having the Father's name and the beast's name is the degree of freedom and love that dwells in our hearts with having the Father's seal compared to loss of power when following the beast. There also seems to be an element of predestination about this when one looks at Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world - but who knows.........? Not me at this late hour when my thoughts are muddled. Bed time, I think. See you tomorrow.......... Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool." - Plato Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1695 From: Shersy Subject: Re: Welcome!! Dear Ones: "I would like to second Betty's welcome to the list to David, BJ and Shersy. Our family is growing and we are happy to see you here." Thank you for the welcoming...I am just about finished reading Book l, on net, and will go into archives, as recommended by a kind person,.to catch up..and then will join in.. love what I have read so far.... Regards Sherry Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1696 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: 666 Revealed Part II Hello folks, :) what everybody has already said about the subject topic has been very well put :) However, I choose to add my own flavor in this palette of words by saying possibly the same things using slightly different intonations :) I think it is very important to have ideals. Having said that, it is equally important not to let the idea of ideal create a belittling image of yourself. An ideal is there to inspire and aspire you, it is there to give you a direction where you can place your focus. It is not unreachable, but can indeed be exceeded. You have an aim, and you are still able to shoot further or higher once you have a focus. I think it is also extremely important to use both your mind and your heart. They work best in a symbiotic relationship, where the mental and the emotional support and feed off of each other. You must have an open heart to hear your truth, you can not find it using your brain alone. Yet you must not let your being become overwhelmed by your emotions, because that would blur both your intuition and thinking. You must check with your heart if the thoughts you have in your mind is the path of truth, for you personally, because nobody else but you can know which is the right path for you to walk. You can not let your mind alone control your decisions and behavior, but neither will the heart alone lead you to discover your truth. Mind/brain has been given too much emphasis (masculine) in the last centuries, but it is not to be omitted either. Once again, balance is Key, in my opinion. Open heart and clear mind, what a revolutionary expanding colossal combo! :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called atonce a lunatic and fool." - Plato You did it again, Glenys. That was sooooo appropriate :) Having been here and now reading Revelations revealed by JJ has been such an uplifting, refreshing and freeing experience. I know I've said this before, but there is no other place I rather be right now, than here :) Just thinking aloud again, Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1697 From: CHERRYBLAZE (kim miller) Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-12-21 of The Keys of Knowledge List Could the mark be..the 3rd eye? Reaching for the stars, I aim my bow and arrow, I looked around and saw splendour all about me as an angel flew by......he wrapped me in his arms.......and says you almost hit the mark....keep searching..... Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1698 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Father's Name "The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my last post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead?" I think having the Father's name in one's forehead is a metaphor for clearly seeing and grasping the concept that S/He has no constant name, but is in the eternal growing and expanding process of becoming. Upon realizing and fully comprehending the core of this one has the name of The eternal divine most wise and expanding highest variable written in their forehead. Rick wrote that 144 is harmonic of the speed of light. I think here's a connection to the physical expansion of Universe. 144 is a symbol for what the body of One is doing, because it is not eternally being but becoming. On the other hand, having the name or number of the Beast written in our forehead would mean being blinded from seeing this truth and becoming a constant, an 'I am', falling down on the bottom of the Big river like a heavy immobile rock. I think the Name is accomplished by living the words of Christ instead of following them. Because if you follow, you never quite become what you are following. When you live, you are One with your ideal, and you have the same direction. I know it's a tiny difference, but I hope you understand what I mean. Christ paved the path for us, but we need to walk that path ourselves, in a way that is more like being one with that path. "Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:" I think all this harping is a reference to man fine-tuning and playing the divine instrument s/he is, and doing it to the highest potential note. "Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four Beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." They were redeemed, not because they were chosen ones, but because they were the ones who chose. I am still contemplating the full meaning of 144 being 12 squared. Hmmm... : Much love, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1699 From: JOHN KOSIOR Subject: Re: Father's Name Samu Karlsson wrote: "Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:" "I think all this harping is a reference to man fine-tuning and playing the divine instrument s/he is, and doing it to the highest potential note." Hi Samu and All, There's something about musical references that always bring up new thoughts. I'm not sure how many here have ever attended a live orchestral concert, but those who have may remember that in the time just prior to the actual performance, the players all gather and take their respective seats, where everything they need to perform their part has been carefully placed ahead of time. There's some conversation and shuffling going on, but as each player seats themselves, they will all begin to warm up their instruments, each playing independent of the others. Now if you heard this in a great concert hall, you may have been treated to the most cacophonous noise you've ever heard. It could be described as the rushing of many waters. At some point, though, the Concert Meister stands. When this happens, each player stops playing, one by one, until there is nothing left but an eerie silence. Each player now has their attention fixed on the Concert Meister. A tuning note is played and each player matches the tone until the entire orchestra is playing in absolute unison. Then, silence again. All activity is suspended as both players and audience await the Conductor's entrance. By the time the Conductor walks onto the scene, everything is complete. All that's needed is the cue, and the performance begins. Now, what was formerly noisy, individual clatter, becomes instantly transformed into the sounds of harpists harping, and trumpeters and strings, and every manner of instrument, each no longer playing merely in unison, but in a myriad of parts and tonalities, until a perfect execution of the work is perceived by All. This is how I view the Keysters, and all of the aspirants of The Way. I see us at the point of warming up our instruments. Clearing up any last minute problems and rechecking everything. The sound of it all may become a bit unwieldy at this point. But each time the Concert Meister stands (we're all the Concert Meister from time to time) silence is attained and tuning takes place. This time can best be described as expectant. The show may not have started yet, but the concert is scheduled. The tickets have been sold. The theater is filled. The musicians are in place, in tune and ready. It's time to get excited folks. The music is about to begin!!! In Harmony, John Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-21/1700 From: Isabelle Subject: Re: Father's Name Bravo John!!!!! ***Standing Ovation*** That was too utterly beautiful and meaningful for words! And Samu's last post also touched me deeply... you guys are just out to have me crying my eyes out all day, aren't you??? (I'm not complaining though, they are tears of joy and love.) On a day when other things in life are not making so much sense, you balance it with Truth and Understanding beyond my wildest dreams.. With so much love, Belle Post No: /1998-12-21/1701 From: Isabelle Subject: Re: [PP] Rarer chart configurations - JJ Hello all, As some of you know I am interested in Astrology and have had a look at JJ's chart and shared my ideas in the past with some of you. I am on an Astrology mailing list which is part of an Astrology School and the subject of Rare Chart Configurations came up. I just couldn't resist sharing JJ's chart with the person who started the discussion as he said that Grand Trines are very rare in the population. (JJ has two of them forming a Star of David.) This was his reply to me and further communication. We haven't discussed the chart on that list yet as Andre (Andre Donnell of New Zealand) thinks it best to wait until after the holiday season. As you can see I didn't give him much information about JJ to begin with. Here goes: Subject: Re: [PP] Rarer chart configurations (Isabelle) Hi Isabelle, I've just succeeded in decoding the chart image you sent, and I hope to look at it later today. Talk to you then. Andre. PS: The star of David is *very* rare ? it registered at less than .5% of the 20th C ? although it would be slightly more common with Chiron and the Kuiper planetoids now in the picture. Isabelle wrote: He has my permission to discuss his chart and to discuss it on the list if you think it would be useful... As you can see he has two (or would you call that three?) Grand Trines forming a lovely Star of David. He is an author. I'm fairly new to this list and don't know just yet what would be considered a good topic of study. I think his chart looks pretty special. Funny thing is, it's the chart I've had come by me in the last few months with this Star formation... So... how rare can it be?? (Note from Isabelle here... The other charts involved the moon's nodes and would not be considered in the same manner as JJ's... Not that they aren't special too.) ******************************** Well, thanks indeed Belle for showing this to me. I would be most grateful if you, and particularly J, could comment on what I've written (if I'm way off track, that's *extremely* valuable information to me). Regardless, the chart is, as you say, quite special. Regards, Andre. JJ then responded: "I have just enough knowledge of astrology to appreciate Andre's comments. I can tell that this art is a labor of love for him and was surprised that several of his first observations were items that I had not noticed before nor had any other astrologer who has looked at my chart. "The major of these things I am referring to is my unaspected Sun. I have never heard anyone give much meaning to an unaspected Sun or planet, but the way Andre interpreted it makes a lot of sense and does fit me." He then made comments on the interpretation.. As JJ has repeatedly told me that it is OK to share this sort of info I feel I can post JJ's reply in full if you guys want it keys. Lots of love, Belle Post No: /1998-12-21/1702 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Be careful with those words LeLona wrote: "You see, listees, we never know what's going on in someone's life outside email, and we need to be here for each other, no matter how things may appear. If we can't turn to our best friends who can we turn to?" This is so true. Even if some people are very sensitive to what's going on with other folks, even if they don't say anything, most of the time most of us do not know what's going on in someone's life, and *that's why* we should always carefully consider our words when we approach someone. I give you an example: There is a dude working at the same place as I. He's only been there for a couple of weeks, so he doesn't know too much background of people. One afternoon we were sitting by a table over a cup of coffee, when suddenly he tried to be funny and said something about cancer patients, not knowing the situation with my mom. There were a lot of other people sitting around that same table who knew what was what. You can imagine he was surprised when nobody laughed at his joke, there was only eerie, uncomfortable (for him) silence. I didn't take offense, but I can imagine many other people being hurt from what he said. But without trying to sound *too* deep, the guy didn't know what he was doing. I just think we should always be careful with our words. You never know when what you say has a direct personal meaning in somebody else's life, and hurting somebody even if unintentional, is not a cool thing to do. Thank you LeLona for all your warm supporting words :) Sorry to hear about your mom... That must have been a huge lesson for you at such a young age. Sometimes those before us like to help their children learn in ways we might understand to be a teaching only much later... Giving you the free present of a big warm ((((HUG))) Samu :) Post No: /1998-12-21/1703 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: [PP] Rarer chart configurations - JJ Belle wrote: "He then made comments on the interpretation. As JJ has repeatedly told me that it is OK to share this sort of info I feel I can post JJ's reply in full if you guys want it keys..." Although I haven't looked into astrology too much, I found this very interesting, and would like to read the full reply :) Also JJ, if you got time and feel like sharing, I would be very interested in hearing what kind of path has taken you to this point you are in your life right now, what you have studied, what your influences have been, what have been some of the sources for your knowledge and understanding... That kind of stuff. Would love to hear :) Peace, Samu Post No: /1998-12-21/1704 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Father?s Name Belle wrote: "Bravo John!!!!! ***Standing Ovation*** That was too utterly beautiful and meaningful for words!" I agree :) John, the way you put it struck the cleanest ,most resonating major 7 chord in my heart :) It was beyond words. Thank you! I'm also glad you liked my musical references... to me, they go under and inside words and give them a totally new tone :) And Samu's last post also touched me deeply... you guys are just out to have me crying my eyes out all day, aren't you??? (I'm not complaining though, they are tears of joy and love.) Want me to FedEx you a handkerchief Belle? :D Hey, I do know what you are talking about. Like when I was reading John's orchestra post, I too got very emotional because I could see that image in my mind's eye and feel what he was talking about in my heart. It's so grand and beautiful! This is why it is so cool being part of this gang, you guys say things that are not there in the words you write and they just go straight into my heart! Love ya! :) On a day when other things in life are not making so much sense, you balance it with Truth and Understanding beyond my wildest dreams. This was what you are doing to me as well. I thank you. All Love, Samu Post No: /1998-12-21/1705 From: d.linen Subject: Re: 666 Revealed Part II Samu Karlsson wrote: "Hello folks, :) "What everybody has already said about the subject topic has been very well put :) However, I choose to add my own flavor in this palette of words by saying possibly the same things using slightly different intonations :)" Samu, together with John's post today, you have both spoken quite eloquently. Your words have touched my heart and I am thrilled to have read them today. May you both have a wonderful holiday. Thank you for blessing mine. Diane Post No: /1998-12-21/1706 From: debra robberson Subject: Re: Solar Plexus & Heart chakras Deb here How's this? The solar plexus is the I The heart chakra is the WE Post No: /1998-12-21/1707 From: Jorgenson Subject: Re: Father's Name J J Dewey wrote: "The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my last post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead?" Jesus said ?know the truth and the truth shall set you free. This learning occurs in the brain (forehead); we follow Christ in spirit and in TRUTH, not just wherever our emotions prompt us. This revealing discussion about the beast, for those who gain knowledge (Light) from it, is a living example of removing the mark of the beast and placing the seal of the living God into our foreheads. Sometimes I am awed by the magnitude of this material; words of truth that people have longed through the ages to receive and here we are the lucky ones to have them. I'm also aware that most people would vigorously resist this knowledge because they ?love not the Truth,? but instead the security of myths. I get too depressed when I dwell on this, so I'll sign off and inspire myself with some Keyster e-mails. SharonJ Post No: /1998-12-21/1708 From: tracey_hobson Subject: Re: 666 Revealed Part I JJ asks: "Has this last day or so been weird for you?" Hello!?!? Weird? Let's see. I have had dreams in the last few days that I climbed a mountain to the most beautiful place I have ever been, and in the dream, felt my heart chakra open in a way that maybe I only experienced before in my life as a trusting, open, innocent child. It was a beautiful experience that had GOD written all over it. I have dreamed that I am spending time with the late Princess Diana; and I dreamt that a coworker had a heart attack. In terms of real life, I have been at extremes. Nicer and of more service than normal one minute, saying something I know I'll regret the next. Uh, to answer your question JJ, yes, it has been weird. And then there's war and impeachment and...need I go on? To respond to your question, I think seekers tend to trust the solar plexus energies more than the heart because we associate the heart (some of us, anyway) as a place that maybe can't be trusted (have any of you ?fallen in love with the WRONG person ? I sure have, repeatedly!). On the other hand, I trust my gut. I have learned to trust my gut instinct more than my heart. My heart seems to get me into trouble. Please, tell me I'm not alone out there! Catching up best I can here.... Tracey Post No: /1998-12-21/1709 From: tracey_hobson Subject: Joke -Forwarded HEART ATTACK =============== A middle aged woman has a heart attack and is taken to the hospital. While on the operating table she has a near death experience. During that experience she sees God and asks if this is it. God says no and explains that she has another 30 years to live. Upon her recovery she decides to just stay in the hospital and have a face lift, liposuction, breast augmentation, tummy tuck, etc. She even has someone come in and change her hair color. She figures since she's got another 30 years she might as well make the most of it. She walks out of the hospital after the last operation and is killed by an ambulance speeding up to the hospital. She arrives in front of God and complains: I thought you said I had another 30 years. God replies, I didn't recognize you. Post No: /1998-12-21/1710 From: JOHN KOSIOR Subject: Re: Father's Name Isabelle wrote: "On a day when other things in life are not making so much sense, you balance it with Truth and Understanding beyond my wildest dreams. With so much love, Belle" And Belle, on such a day as today, you held me up with your kind words, and for one brief moment, I felt the sun. Thanks, John Post No: /1998-12-21/1711 From: Isabelle Subject: Chart Hi everyone and Happy Solstice!!!!! For those who asked and everyone else too, here is the message JJ sent me commenting on Andr?'s interpretation of his chart. Belle, I would be happy to give feedback to your list on my chart. I have just enough knowledge of astrology to appreciate Andr?'s comments. I can tell that this art is a labor of love for him and was surprised that several of his first observations were items that I had not noticed before nor had any other astrologer who has looked at my chart. The major of these things I am referring to is my unaspected Sun. I have never heard anyone give much meaning to an unaspected Sun or planet, but the way Andre interpreted it makes a lot of sense and does fit me. I?ll go through his notes here and comment: This factor alone would suggest to most astrologers I'm sure a somewhat difficult, highly self- conscious development. During his early years he could not help but be somewhat private and insecure whenever he had to be in front of people, or to be singled out in some way. This is very true. I was very self-conscious and awkward socially when I was young, especially high school, but made a quantum leap out of this situation around the ages of 20-21. So there are seeds of potential alienation or the sense of being a loner in some way, quite apart from the presence of the Grand Sextile. This again was especially true when I was young. Now I am still a loner in many ways, but I do not feel alone. He is, incidentally, a person inclined to *agonize* over his direction in life, and over how much he accomplishes (Jupiter Sq Saturn) This was again especially true during the first half of my life and I changed my mind several times about the direction I could take that would become the greatest good. Now I feel that I finally have this point resolved. The meaning I suggest is that there is an unusual surrender of identity and ego in this case. Despite the huge sense of responsibility, this is not a person who feels a natural arrogance or self-assurance in keeping things together. I suspect that ? despite his natural wish to shoulder great burdens ? he is yet retiring in doing so, and in fact does so by *sublimating* or *surrendering* his identity into some other great activity, or movement. In addition to the sense of mission I've already remarked on, he may sublimate himself into a cause or tradition ? such as the pursuit of and the power of knowledge (if the 9th house is accepted) ? and prefer to speak *through* that as though he himself is merely an agent or channel of some kind. This description is a very exact description of how I see myself. I do believe that I have surrendered my ego to the greater good, though I'm sure there are those who would argue the point. In that case, the obvious themes are: a striking, universal breadth of interest and understanding in some ? or probably many ? fields; a high degree of natural rapport and empathy or sympathy with humanity (? or could be something else: e.g. animals, the environment. But I'm inclined to think there would be no limiting down to just one ?thing?)(the Sextiles); a sense of anything being possible and achievable (the Trines); a sharp sense of the widest possible perspectives and the great dilemmas of existence (the Oppositions). The latter aspect, incidentally, is I believe what produces the ?space? or ?scope? within which anything of significance is always achieved. Given also that a configuration like this lacks the tangibility of the Square, the possible meaning is that it shows great *vision* and powers of *envisioning*. This is so complimentary that I would be a fool not to embrace it, nevertheless I do identify with it. I do have an interest in many different areas and become quite proficient wherever I put my attention. There is probably not an area of human endeavor that does not interest me in some degree. My rapport is generally with the cause of humanity as a whole as the top priority. If we set ourselves straight everything else will follow. The dilemmas of existence has occupied my attention for some time. Thanks again for the excellent interpretation. I've always felt that once my problems with Saturn were resolved I would be able to use the energies of the two Grand Trine making the Star of David. You also point out a Grand Sextile that I never noticed. I had one astrologer tell me that I would have a lot more success in the latter half of my life than the first. Would this have something to do with freeing up these beneficial energies? I have heard that this Star of David configuration is rare. I would be interested in knowing your thoughts on the meaning of this, but please do not feel obligated to go in any direction I point, but I would be interested in any thoughts you feel impressed to give. Post No: /1998-12-21/1712 From: teknobabl Subject: Merry Christmas Keysters! teknobabl has sent you an E-greetings(r) animation! You can view your super-cool animated greeting at your private (case-sensitive) Web address anytime over the next three weeks: http://www.egreetings.com/e-products/cgi/view/MnR3FHS6 Guess what?! You can win fabulous prizes in the E-greetings Resolution Revolution contest! Check it out at: http://reply.egreetings.com/m/postreply While you're at it, don't forget to send a *FREE* E-greetings postcard or animation! Are you having problems viewing your E-greetings animation? First, make sure you have the latest Shockwave plug-in for your Web browser. You can download it here: http://www.egreetings.com/e-products/m_main/help/getshock.html If you're still having problems you can click on Help & Info and review our Help Topics. In addition, you are always welcome to contact a customer service E-greetologist by E-mail at: anihelp@egreetings.com. E-greetings(r) is a registered trademark of the E-greetings Network. Post No: /1998-12-22/1713 From: d.linen Subject: (OT) Humor The Lord spoke to Noah and said, I'm very angry with the way things are going on earth ?- this is not what I had in mind! I have accordingly decided to destroy it and start over! In 6 months I'm going to make it rain until the whole earth is covered with water just like before, and all the evil is destroyed: if not, I will wring it out like an old sponge. But rather than start from scratch, I'm still considering saving the few good people, and two of every kind of living thing on the planet. So I'm ordering you to build an Ark for this purpose. And with a flash of lightning He delivered the specs for an Ark. ?Yes Lord said Noah, trembling in fear and fumbling with the blueprints. Don't forget thundered God's voice, ?In 6 months it starts to rain! You'd better have that Ark built or learn to tread water indefinitely! Six months passed. The skies began to cloud up and rain began to fall. The Lord saw that Noah was just sitting out in his yard in the rain weeping. There was no sign of an Ark. Noah shouted the Lord through the thunder and lightning, ?Where is my Ark?! A sobbing Noah answered, ?Lord please forgive me! I did my best, but there were BIG problems. First I had to get a Building Permit for the Ark, and your plans didn't meet code. So I had to hire an engineer to redraw the plans. You know how that goes. Then there was a huge upset about whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system. My neighbors objected, claiming I was violating zoning by building an Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city council! Then I couldn't get enough wood for the Ark because some earth-sanctifying organizations have instigated a ban on cutting trees in order to save the spotted numbat. I had to convince the Department of Conservation and Land Management that I needed the wood so I could save the numbats, it was the only way out. But then they wouldn't let me catch any numbats! So, no numbats. Then the carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the Industrial Relations Commission before anyone would pick up a saw or hammer. Now we have 16 carpenters going on the boat, but how am I to pay them? And still no numbats. When I realized the building of the Ark was stalled, I thought I could at least start gathering up pairs of animals, but I promptly got sued by an animal rights group. They insisted if the threat was real I had to save ALL the animals, not just one pair of each. I just got that suit dismissed when the EPA notified me I couldn't use the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take kindly to the idea that they have no jurisdiction over the conduct of a Supreme Being none of them personally know to exist. Then the Royal Australian Army wanted a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe. They returned it with a note: "As any fool can see, water will NOT adhere to a round globe, it will fall off." Right now I'm trying to resolve a complaint from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission over how many Croatians I'm supposed to hire. Most of them are involved in some kind of uprising. In the meantime, the ATO has seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to avoid paying taxes by leaving the country: and I just received a nasty notice from some state agency about owing them some kind of use tax. I really don't see any way I can finish your Ark for at least another five years! Noah wailed. ?Dear God, do you have a solution? Suddenly the sky cleared! The sun came out! A rainbow arched across the heavens! Noah looked up and sighed with relief. "You mean you're not going to destroy the earth after all?" No replied the Lord, ?the government is doing it just fine without any help from Me. Post No: /1998-12-22/1714 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Father's Name Sharon wrote: "Jesus said ?know the truth and the truth shall set you free?." I think that sentence has so many layers. First of all, I think people are the truth, each person individually, and when they decide to know themselves and grasp the truth (of who) they are, they will free themselves in a way that makes them both the path and the traveler, both the journey and the destination (even if there's no final destination). Also, like JJ mentioned, this sentence is referring to the opposite of truth, the Beast, and that we are under its control without even knowing it, because we wouldn't be able to free ourselves unless we were chained first, right? Well JJ didn't say that the beast was connected to that sentence from Jesus but he did say that before we can free ourselves we need to realize we haven't been free, even if most think they are, without questioning or scrutinizing their true state. *You* cannot *know* the truth unless you are the one knowing and comprehending, if somebody offered you ?the truth? from outside, and you'd swallow it without munching, you'd be living off and experiencing ?their? truth without questioning and verifying it with your own mind and heart. And as we have been discussing here, that is how the beast gains his power. I think we need to realize that what's around us is a reflection of who we think/know we are, it is not some big unknown telling us what we should be. "Sometimes I am awed by the magnitude of this material: words of truth that people have longed through the ages to receive and here we are the lucky ones to have them. I'm also aware that most people would vigorously resist this knowledge because they ?love not the Truth,? but instead the security of myths. I get too depressed when I dwell on this, so I'll sign off and inspire myself with some Keyster e-mails. I couldn't agree more :) I feel very lucky being a member of this family. I don't necessarily know why, but I guess I must've done something right over the years to be allowed here :) Yes, I know what you mean with loving the security of myths. But if security was what we were after, we wouldn't be here. Only those who sail the unexplored waters will discover new lands and worlds :) Wishing you all most wonderful Christmas holidays and a magical New Year 1999! Rob, your card was the coolest :) Samu Post No: /1998-12-22/1715 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Top scientific advance of year: Universe will keep expanding Hello my friends, Remember when the other day we were talking about 144 being harmonic of the speed of light and I said this was connected to the eternal expanding becoming of the body of One? Today I was reading CNN News and went Hooray! :D I learned that the scientists had discovered the following: "WASHINGTON (AP) ? The conclusion that the universe will expand forever at a constantly accelerating rate has been selected as the top scientific advance of 1998 by the editors of Science, a leading research journal." Expand forever, and not at a constant but *accelerating* rate! Yes!!! :D Makes so much sense! Read the rest of the interesting story at: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/science/9812/18/top.science.ap/ Check also out the 9 other top scientific discoveries from this year, they're pretty fascinating and thought-provoking, the ?teleport? experiment I was talking about earlier is also mentioned there. On the CNN front page you can also find an article about human cloning and the moral issues it raises. Scientifically yours, from the 5th dimension of Finland :D Samu Post No: /1998-12-22/1716 From: ?peregrine falcon Subject: Re: Father's Name It doesn't seem like this should be such a hard answer to accomplish. To me it seems that the difference between the beast and the Father is I am and I am becoming. Well, if the followers of the beast have the idea that this is all I AM, then it is only certain that the thought from the followers of the Father would have the thought of I am becoming so that those who are of the 144,000 are always out to learn new things in order to better themselves and learn from their mistakes. I guess one could say that what is in the forehead of those who follow the Father is a specific way of thinking which revolves around one word such as hope. Anyhow, this is my input for what it is worth. This holiday, due to my limited chances to check my email, I won't be as responsive as usual, hopefully I'll be back to normal when I get back to school on the 10th of January. Blessed Be All and have a happy holiday Kyle k From: J J Dewey Subject: [keys-l] Father's Name "The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my last post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead?" Post No: /1998-12-22/1717 From: Isabelle Subject: Re: Father's Name "The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my last post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead?" By singing the Song of 144,000 we have the Father's name in our consciousness and it chases the Beast from our presence. The beast cannot exist in this atmosphere of Light, Love and Power. Beastly thoughts are replaced with gratitude for protective universal light, protective fires of love and knowledge, by experience, that the Father is in us and we are in Him. and that through us His Light, Love and Power is manifest to all the Sons and Daughters of Mankind. Our "will" is instrumental in spreading this force to all. Belle Post No: /1998-12-22/1718 From: J J Dewey Subject: Sign of the Name There have been fewer postings than usual, but all attempts to shed light on the Father's name in the forehead have been of good quality. Then we all enjoyed John's writing about the orchestra preparing to play. We haven't quite arrived at the core answer. How is the number of the beast placed in the forehead of his followers? We have concluded that this takes place by looking outside of ourselves for authority often blindly, and then accepting that authority as if it were the voice of God. We also concluded that the beast is the static I AM. If we switch over to having the Father's name in our foreheads, then where do we look for that name and what is the name? What is the main sign that we have the name? Post No: /1998-12-22/1719 From: J J Dewey Subject: Looking Inside I wasn't aware that Belle was going to post the information on my chart on this list. I knew she was passing it by the astrology list. It's all right that she did it but I do not want the list members here to think I'm trying to draw attention to myself as I much prefer to put your focus on the teachings. Samu suggested I reveal some of my history and I may write a book about it later on, but I want to do everything possible right now to avoid representing the power of the beast in any degree by projecting the ego as any type of focus as compared to pure teachings which have to be discerned by your inner soul. I will give you an interesting tidbit, however, that is related to teaching and Samu's comment about his mother's cancer. My mother also had cancer a while back. I know that I could have helped her, but she decided to use orthodox means and use the regular chemo. She was lucky and did overcome the cancer, then it came back and she licked it again. The treatments left her considerably weakened though. Now my sister has cancer and she is taking massive chemo treatments and does not seem to be so lucky. It looks like her days are numbered. I have known that I have the faith and knowledge to heal her, but she does not believe I have anything to offer her. Because I do not go to church, and most of my family are quite religious, I am the last one that they would call on for advice or spiritual help. It saddens me that I know I could help my sister, but my hands are tied. This reminds me of the story of Jesus when he visited his home area. They told him: ?We know who you are. You are the carpenter's son ? you're just an ordinary guy. They probably even criticized him for not attending the synagogue on a regular basis. Then it is written that Jesus could do no miracle among them and even He ?was astounded by their unbelief. It is an interesting principle that when we get to know a person on a personality basis that we assume that what we see on the surface is all there is to him. I am sure that we on this list see much more of the real in each other (and we have never met in the physical) than our friends and family see in us. God lives in each one of us and if we look beyond the flaws of the personality we can see the good, the beautiful and the true ? we can call forth the miracles of Christ from the ordinary fishermen as Jesus did. Post No: /1998-12-22/1720 From: Lelona Hodges Subject: Healing Cancer JJ writes: "It saddens me that I know I could help my sister, but my hands are tied." Then use your spiritual hands. Of course, she has to be open to that also, and on one level she will be. Unless, of course, she has agreed to go this way, then there's nothing anyone can do. The Reiki healing energies inside just healed my aunt in California. She was just diagnosed with breast cancer, and asked me for prayers (by email). I visited her in spirit and brought in the Reiki energies. About 2 weeks later she went back for additional biopsy and the test resulted in NO cancer cells. The doctor was baffled!! The doctor noticed a very red spot where the first biopsy was performed, and said that was unusual for it to be so red, and he thought maybe it was getting infected. However, there was no pain. Now she has a clean bill of health. This is a service I offer to those who know me. Remote healing. So, if anyone else needs help just let me know. Nothing is too small or too big. All I need is their permission, their name and their problem. JJ, if you want I can see about your sister. LeLona Post No: /1998-12-22/1721 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Sign of the Name "How is the number of the beast placed in the forehead of his followers? "We have concluded that this takes place by looking outside of ourselves for authority often blindly, and then accepting that authority as if it were the voice of God. We also concluded that the beast is the static I AM." Hmmm... having read the Looking Inside post by you, JJ, I got the thought that it is connected to people judging others based on what they appear to be instead of all they truly are within and can become from there. I think the mark is placed on the forehead when the follower thinks that by following the one authority he has authorized he will be have an advantage and be saved for sure, so he puts himself in the group of the redeemed and leaves the rest who he sees as non- followers below him because they don't follow his authority. Call it spiritual racism, if you will. Nobody is above the rest based on the color of their belief. Basically I think the name is placed in the forehead when they look at something they think is ?worthier? than themselves and follow this something outside of themselves, and thinking that this will make them better than other folks who don't follow blindly (even if the one doing it doesn't know it, but that's just it, the one who is blind is blind to see that other's *might* be seeing and he himself is blind). "If we switch over to having the Father's name in our foreheads then where do we look for that name and what is the name? What is the main sign that we have the name?" I think a big part of it must be knowing that regardless of our *outer* position or status in life and society, we know that others are and treat them as completely equal, no one person is above or below the other, because in God's eyes, we are all the same, we are all one. Everybody has the equal opportunity, right and ability to become whatever they choose to when they so decide. In a way, everybody is just as much ordinary as everybody is special. All different, all equal type of thinking. I can't think of looking for the Father's name anywhere but within. I think it would show in a person as pure knowing that their belief is genuine full-body-soul-mind-resonance with their truth, and they are able to justify it to others when questioned, and this questioning won't cause their belief to waiver, but at the same time this person would be ready to change his belief for something grander if he realizes it has not been perfect (there's the dirty word again:). So, basically the name is the word becoming which one decides to become. I don't think this is the full answer, but hopefully it might trigger something inside of someone :) Samu Post No: /1998-12-22/1722 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Looking Inside Samu suggested "I reveal some of my history and I may write a book about it later on, but I want to do everything possible right now to avoid representing the power of the beast in any degree by projecting the ego as any type of focus as compared to pure teachings which have to be discerned by your inner soul." I understand your point JJ. Ego shouldn't be distracting us right now, nopes :) "Now my sister has cancer and she is taking massive chemo treatments and does not seem to be so lucky. It looks like her days are numbered. I have known that I have the faith and knowledge to heal her, but she does not believe I have anything to offer her. "Because I do not go to church, and most of my family are quite religious, I am the last one that they would call on for advice or spiritual help. "It saddens me that I know I could help my sister, but my hands are tied." I'm sorry to hear this JJ... I wish your sister a painless outcome, and the most possible healing experience, whatever level that will be on. What you wrote above and the comparison to Jesus being only a carpenter's son, it just shows so well that if people in their mind have decided they truly know who you are based on what you do or don't do, or are or are not to the outer eye, then they really are limiting the truth in their own mind, and do not choose the ?truth of you and what you can do? experience because they think they know already. It is so sad. They even think their truth is the Truth, and thus make you an ?I am,? which is saying ?you can not be more.? Hurts to think about that. "It is an interesting principle that when we get to know a person on a personality basis that we assume that what we see on the surface is all there is to him. I am sure that we on this list see much more of the real in each other (and we have never met in the physical) than our friends and family see in us." I agree, but I think because of this list I am able to more and more be fully me in ?real life? too. And the interesting thing is, I notice my change being reflected back, everyday. One or two people at work I used to have hard time getting along with (and I usually get along with most anybody), I now have good constructive conversations with and there's a lot of smiling and deep- level understanding. I think once one has reached the real or more real part within, one should do their best to bring it out. It won't be unnoticed has been my experience :) And always keep in mind, just when you think you know somebody, you haven't even begun yet :) I think that is the beautiful and challenging part. "God lives in each one of us and if we look beyond the flaws of the personality we can see the good, the beautiful and the true, we can call forth the miracles of Christ from the ordinary fishermen as Jesus did." Yes. There is much good in everybody. And I can't help but notice how many people focus on the negative in others. Often trying to desperately make themselves shine in comparison. If we all shine light on the good in each other, the change in this world would be incredible. I think I have been talking much too much about myself. Gotta scoot for now :) Much love, Samu Post No: /1998-12-22/1723 From: DIONE6 (M. SHEPPARD) Subject: Re: Sign of the Name Dear Samu, Could the mark be ignorance? It seems to start a lot of wars and fights. LOVE, Madalyn Post No: /1998-12-22/1724 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Sign of the Name How do you mean ignorance? Ignoring, or just plain stupid? I don't remember seeing your name before. Madalyn? Hope I didn't spell that wrong. You're lucky to have webtv. Keyboard on the lap? I'm glad you chimed in. I like the sound of your chimes.....:) LeLona Post No: /1998-12-22/1725 From: d.linen Subject: Re: Sign of the Name Ah, but ignorance does not mean one is stupid, only that they lack a certain knowledge of something. It does not mean that they can't learn it, only that they don't have that information as yet. Diane Post No: /1998-12-22/1726 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: Re: Off Topic Anon. Poster Revealed Betty writes: "The 2nd reason was because I was afraid people would hate me. "Never, Never!! Hate is a waste of time and energy as we seekers know ? besides, your anon. email was a positive action and was helpful to all of us to realize we need to watch our subject line more closely, so give yourself a pat on the back." Thank you Betty. I'm starting to see the value of harmony through conflict. I think I?m starting to feel more comfortable with the folks like you on this list than with those I interact w/everyday in the flesh. Hmm. I'm glad I have a cyber-home to hang out at after I get home. Thanks guys! "Aww-ww, Rob, trust isn't just a Virgo problem ? but the need to put everything in neat little categories is. I know, not only because I'm an astrologer, but I was married and lived with a Virgo for 15 years! :o) "I lost him to a heart attack in 1984 and would give a lot now to have him back with me ? he could re-arrange to his heart's content and I wouldn't complain a bit. :o)" Sorry to hear he's passed on. Although, I bet he's probably yelled at the top of his etheric lungs on a few occasions, hovering over you, "No, no, no, that goes over here and this goes over there. No, no, no, this will look better over here, it's also more efficient..." I feel sorry for him in a way. He must go nuts seeing a few peanut shells or whatever, lying around, and not have any power to do anything about it. :-) Lightening up, Rob Post No: /1998-12-22/1727 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: OT comments re: Samu's posting I'm getting a sore neck from all the nodding in agreement. The below rang SOOO true with me. Thanks. you write: "I think it is very important to have ideals. Having said that, it is equally important not to let the idea of ideal create a belittling image of yourself. An ideal is there to inspire and aspire you, it is there to give you a direction where you can place your focus. It is not unreachable, but can indeed be exceeded. You have an aim, and you are still able to shoot further or higher once you have a focus." you write: "I think the Name is accomplished by living the words of Christ instead of following them. Because if you follow, you never quite become what you are following. When you live, you are One with your ideal, and you have the same direction. I know it's a tiny difference, but I hope you understand what I mean." I do now thanks to you. Is there such a thing as spiritual gluttony? I've been eating so much wonderful food for thought lately. Bon apetit! (that's supposed to be French, oh well. :-) ) Post No: /1998-1-22/1728 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: Re: Father's Name you write: "The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my last post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead? "Ooo, ooo! Darting my quivering hand in the air; tapping my toes; wide-eyed; whole body slightly bouncing. "Yes Robby?" asks the teacher. "Mr. Dewey, I stand up from my desk, is the answer to always follow the highest that you know? "If I AM represents an unchanging state, and I AM BECOMING means constantly changing, then the only way to peel off the beast's name and slap on the lamb's name is to always follow the highest you know. Since there is no ultimate, be all to end all answer to everything, adopting a new truth we receive tomorrow ushers us along the path of BECOMING. "Is this right?" Rob Post No: /1998-12-22/1729 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: (OT) Cherish you write: "I am sooo happy and congratulate you for taking the step out of the state of distrust and sharing yourself openly. "As you can see, when you spoke your mind here on the list, it did not create a conflict, but it did something opposite of separation." Thanks Samu for your encouraging words. I think there was a little bit of conflict on the list, but like you said, it didn't end in separation by far. I'm learning! :-D I was sorry to hear about your grandma but happy to hear your mom pulled through. I bet this Christmas is going to have a special place in your heart and mind for the rest of your life. However, what's this I hear about no presents on Christmas? Samu, I beg you, let's not go to extremes here! (giggle) Sharpening my nails to tear through wrapping paper, Rob Post No: /1998-12-22/1730 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Father's Name "The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my last post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead?" I looked up the word "forehead" in Strong's Concordance and was referred to the Greek Dictionary for (the face), as opposite the countenance From this clue I would say having the Father's name in the forehead is having LIGHT shining from the face; a bright aura (as in Samu); being HAPPY; laughing. The light is shining so brightly from within that it radiates outward through the face. The eyes dance with joy, and the eyes reflect the light from within. The opposite is like the beast: darkness coming from the face; a dark aura (as in Beast), being unhappy all the time, and never finding anything to laugh about. LeLona Post No: /1998-12-22/1731 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: Sign of the Name JJ asks: "If we switch over to having the Father's name in our foreheads then where do we look for that name and what is the name? What is the main sign that we have the name?" Where do we look? I would say the soul would know the answer. So where is the soul? Most say look within. Within what? Where? How? Are we putting the cart before the horse here? How is it possible to know the name of God without first making contact with the soul? The only thing I can offer is the following excerpt from a book I have read: "The most ancient name for the Universal Spirit, is Yod He Vau He. But this ancient name is far more than just what another religion calls their version of the concept of God, or even a name. In fact, it was not meant to really be just a ?name? at all. It is from before our time of human manifestation on Earth. It is the physical word equivalent of a vibrational, or thought form. It is an actual representation of the Universal Law that governs the ?primary pattern.? The name itself is the key to creation, and the representation of the Universal Law of polarities, and the replication/reproduction of all vibration. And remember, EVERYTHING is vibration. Contained in this one name for the One, is the actual formula for creation, and the manifestation of all life within the One. Thus, this name of God is probably the single most significant metaphysical concept there is." Even though this excerpt does not use the term "Father," I thought there may be something here that relates to the questions we are trying to answer. Garrett Post No: /1998-12-23/1732 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Father's Name Hey Rob, I'd love to be able to sit next to you in class 'cos that's a great answer. Maybe some of your brains will rub of onto me if I get close enough. Ever travel to NZ? :-) love Glenys Post No: /1998-12-23/1733 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Ignorance Diane comments: "Ah....but ignorance does not mean one is stupid, only that they lack a certain knowledge of something. It does not mean that they can't learn it, only that they don't have that information as yet." I agree with you, but think there is more :) I sometimes use a web page called the Saurus, which gives me almost any English word explained in other English words. Putting in ?ignorance? gave me: the lack of knowledge or education. However, I think that is a segment of the whole truth behind the word. I think it means too that you can have the knowledge available, but you are blind(ed) or *consciously* unwilling or unable to look at it and grasp it with your current understanding. That doesn't mean that we should give up and start living up to the motto "Ignorance is Bliss", like so many these days do, because that gives them the false feeling of security. Wait, the way I said it is slightly off. You are consciously unwilling, but this state has come thru subconscious manipulation of the focus of your consciousness. Huh? :) Well, again I find my self short for the right words to say... I do think ignorance is definitely one way having the number or name of the beast in your forehead transpires. How the number of the beast is placed in the forehead of his followers still has me somewhat perplexed, and heh, that's exactly why I feel I still am carrying the number, although at the same time I feel I am a free thinker and doer... :) I do know when we *see* and truthfully realize how the plot of the beast works, it will feel like an illusionary paradox, yet it will make total sense. Madalyn, so glad to see you here, I wish a very warm welcome! Always great to hear and see new members joining the chorus :) Much love and open-mindedness to All, Samu :) Post No: /1998-12-23/1734 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Fwd: Father's Name Trying once again to get this to the list. I sent it last night at 7:30 pm, 10 hours ago. Sorry if it duplicates. "The first verses of Revelations 14 that I quoted in my last post tells us that the 144,000 have the Father's name in their foreheads. How is this accomplished? How is this different than having the name or number of the Beast in the forehead?" I looked up the word "forehead" in Strong's Concordance and was referred to the Greek Dictionary for ?(the face), "as opposite the countenance". From this clue I would say having the Father's name in the forehead is having LIGHT shining from the face; a bright aura (as in Samu); being HAPPY; laughing. The light is shining so brightly from within that it radiates outward through the face. The eyes dance with joy, and the eyes reflect the light from within. The opposite is like the beast: darkness coming from the face; a dark aura (as in Beast), being unhappy all the time, and never finding anything to laugh about. LeLona Post No: /1998-12-23/1735 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Father's Name Rob got in a hilarious and most wise mode and wrote: "Ooo, ooo!? Darting my quivering hand in the air; tapping my toes; wide-eyed; whole body slightly bouncing. "Yes Robby?" asks the teacher. "Mr. Dewey, I stand up from my desk, ?is the answer to always follow the highest that you know? "If I AM represents an unchanging state, and I AM BECOMING means constantly changing, then the only way to peel off the beasts name and slap on the lamb's name is to always follow the highest you know. Since there is no ultimate, be all to end all answer to everything, adopting a new truth we receive tomorrow ushers us along the path of BECOMING. "Is this right?" If you ask me Rob, I'll say **that sounds so true to me!!!** :D Yes, yes! Highest you can imagine *and* know to be truth, because you have verified it with your very own heart. I think the trick is that when you have found your truth that is the highest you can imagine, you must know and be aware that the potential of your mind/universal mind is endless, and tomorrow there is higher, better, more in the best possible way imaginable, if that's the path you choose to follow! :) That is Becoming. Let's get going there :) Rob, thanks for all your words :) Btw, you really have lightened up like you said. You have allowed a sparkly aura all around you which is illuminating the whole room and is a true joy to behold :) And btw buddy, try to get that neck of yours fixed, because I believe we have only just begun here :) The packages are still in the mail, yet they've already arrived :D And you're right, this is gonna be most special Christmas for me, for so sooooo many reasons. I am one happy dude :) Swallowing down mouthfuls of antidote gift called Truth :D Samu Post No: /1998-12-23/1736 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Father's Name (lotsa auric laughter:) LeLona wrote: "a bright aura (as in Samu)" *snip* "a dark aura (as in Beast)" Hehehehee, you make it sound like I am the opposite of Beast, but I can guarantee if I so choose my grin can be very devilish ;D On the other hand you may rest assured it is nothing to be scared of, it might be a difficult task finding a more harmless man than me :) I do agree with you, happiness, laughter, humor and joy are signs of light, for me they've always been :) Good-natured rascal, Samu :D Ps. When I wrote ?antidote gift? signing off in my last mail, I was actually thinking about the Swedish word gift which means poison. Multibrain at work again :) But the way it turned out, makes sense as well :) Post No: /1998-12-23/1737 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Sign of the Name Garrett conveys: "The only thing I can offer is the following excerpt from a book I have read: "The most ancient name for the Universal Spirit, is Yod He Vau He. But this ancient name is far more than just what another religion calls their version of the concept of God, or even a name. In fact, it was not meant to really be just a ?name? at all. It is from before our time of human manifestation on Earth. It is the physical word equivalent of a vibrational, or thought form. It is an actual representation of the Universal Law that governs the ?primary pattern?. The name itself, is the key to creation, and the representation of the Universal Law of polarities, and the replication/reproduction of all vibration. And remember, EVERYTHING is vibration. Contained in this one name for the One, is the actual formula for creation, and the manifestation of all life within the One. Thus, this name of God, is probably the single most significant metaphysical concept there is." This is really good stuff again, hadda quote the whole thang :) Now I almost feel tempted to say that the Father's name is no-name. Wait, maybe this one's closer: His name is that which it just was. See, I *almost* got it but then it just changed to something else again, heheheee :) (Please take this with a huge nest of humor, I mean no offense here:) But sorta like saying The name is that which it just was, is right *now* and is just about to become, yeps :) A constant variable. The most adventurous chameleon. Does anybody know what Yod He Vau He means word for word? Oops, now I am asking the same question as JJ, the Father's name... heh :) But I mean, in my writing which is still somewhat unfinished I have been contemplating a lot of the same things that appear in the above sentence, using my own words, and when I look at Yod He Vau He, I see that there is the polarities, >Yod He< >Vau He<, and in my pondering of the original thought which was verbalized as the initial word that became the becoming, I've come to the same conclusion, it is the core pattern out of which everything is manifested and the eternal process of becoming is originating. The process itself progresses, but the basic principle stays the same, it is just the outer manifestations that change their appearance all the time. Out of this ?name? all the vibration/the body of One was indeed created out of. I really should find time to finish my few lines of my own current truth and finish that writing soon. I've just been so busy lately. And it has been such a challenge writing too. Some concepts are so hard to translate into written words, and I have tried to come up with good metaphors. But I can see throughout the history of time, I am not the only one having had the same problem! :D Thanks for sharing that piece Garrett :) Samu Post No: /1998-12-23/1738 From: xavier Subject: completely off-topic: bon appetit De: TeKnoBabL: "gluttony? I've been eating so much wonderful food for thought lately. Bon apetit! (> Please leaf thru and find out who they are! :) All the other Keysters, if you have pics you want to share, please do, don't be shy! :) Samu Ps. Lisa, did I get your email address right on my page? Post No: /1998-12-23/1746 From: DIONE6(M. SHEPPARD) Subject: Re: Ignorance Dear seekers, What do you think of blind ignorance? We all have different paths to follow. We feel it in our heart, our inner connector to our spiritual being. but we still aimlessly follow traditions ex. dogmas of churches LOVE, Madalyn. Post No: /1998-12-23/1747 From: Lelona Hodges Subject: Re: Ignorance DIONE6 writes: "What do you think of blind ignorance? We all have different paths to follow. We feel it in our heart, our inner connector to our spiritual being. but we still aimlessly follow traditions ex. dogmas of churches." To some degree I'm sure I follow traditions and church dogmas, but I can't speak for anyone else. To be blind and ignorant at the same time is really asking for trouble, but on the other hand it seems to me that being blind goes hand in hand with being ignorant, or ignoring what's there. i.e., if one ignores something, you could say they are blind to it. I don't go to a building on Sundays or any other day, and listen to someone try to interpret the Bible. That usually just makes me mad. I haven't been to "Church" for probably 20 years, but I'm probably still following a tradition set by the last "group" I was in. However, if you look for reality in traditions, such as saying the "Lord's Prayer" then I think that takes it out of the realm of tradition and places it in the NOW of REALISM. Traditions are usually dead, but there's still reality to be found in them. On the other hand, I can't say I wouldn't start saying the Lord's Prayer, of The Song if I was in imminent danger either. Thanks for making me search within myself for an answer to your question, which became my question once you posed it. LeLona Post No: /1998-12-23/1748 From: BNOREM Subject: Re: Father's name JJ says: "If we switch over to having the Father's name in our foreheads then where do we look for that name and what is the name? What is the main sign that we have the name?" I believe that this takes place by looking inside of ourselves & using the Intuitive Principle to confirm what our Higher Self tells us is Truth - that we are in a state of I AM BECOMING instead of the static I AM, with nothing further to become. Love & Blessings, Betty Post No: /1998-12-23/1749 From: BNOREM Subject: Healing Cancer JJ writes: "It saddens me that I know I could help my sister, but my hands are tied. God lives in each one of us and if we look beyond the flaws of the personality we can see the good, the beautiful and the true - we can call forth the miracles of Christ from the ordinary fishermen as Jesus did." JJ, that last statement is so true. I am so sorry about your mother & sister having cancer. I lost both my parents to cancer and know how devastating it is for all concerned. My prayers are with you and them. I am a great believer in prayer for healing and know it works - my daughter was told about 2 months ago by her doctor that she had 2 out of the 4 main symptoms for the disease, lupus, which destroys the connective tissues of the body, among other things, and he sent her to a specialist on lupus for tests, etc. I immediately requested her name to be put on the healing prayer list on the Cayce List, plus other healing prayer lists, as well as my own prayers for the healing light to descend upon her. We got the good news last Monday that she does NOT have lupus - her symptoms are attributed to other factors, the main one being her over-weight problem, so now she's on the healing lists for help to overcome this, and I have faith that this will work also. This healing will work best if the person is aware of the energy being directed to her & is open to it, but I believe it will work even if they aren't aware of it. So, JJ, as Lelona said, use your psychic healing hands even if your sister and mother aren't aware of it - and it would be even more effective if everyone on this list joined in directing the healing light to them. I, for one, have already begun doing that - it would be better if we had a 1st name & general location on where to direct it, but if you aren't comfortable with posting that to the list, I can understand. Much Love & Blessings, Betty Post No: /1998-12-23/1750 From: b morgan Subject: Merry Christmas and an Illuminated New Year! I am writing from my roommate's computer at home so I don't know if this will look like me or some new e-mail address posting, but here 'tis... I just wanted to tell all of you that I feel my heart getting attached to you on this list. I feel like I have been standing in a room where I can hear you each speaking, and it's all very interesting and animated, and some of you have quite kindly and lovingly welcomed me. I usually read these postings at work (I have clumps of spare time in my job), but our plant is closed from now until January 4th, and there is no way I am going to miss out on what is going on here. I'd miss you all too much. So I just wanted to say Merry Christmas. I wish you all a really bright and illumined path on which to walk this next year, and here's to none of us going into a food coma over the holidays! ;-) Love and blessings to all. Tracey H. Post No: /1998-12-23/1751 From: Lelona Hodges Subject: Re: Merry Christmas and an Illuminated New Year! Tracey, that was so sweet of you! I know what you mean! I will be on a trip next month and away from my computer (Jan 21st through the 26th) but where I'm going they have AOL also, so I'll be reading my posts from there. I wouldn't be able to go 5 days without you guys! Next month I'll be in San Jose CA so if there's anyone in that city holler and I'll come see you. Merry Christmas, dear Tracey! LeLona Post No: /1998-12-23/1752 From: d.linen Subject: (OT) Break-in Hi All, I got a phone call from the storage company where I have some of my things in storage. It seems that about 20 units were broken into earlier this week. When the ice is cleared from the streets and highways here I'll have to go check and see what was taken. It's sad that some people are reduced to this at this time of the year; breaking into places to steal for whatever reasons they may have. Many of the items are from my mothers? house after she died so they only have sentimental value to me. Diane Post No: /1998-12-23/1754 From:Rick Audette Subject:[Fwd: Rick - did you get this one?] After reading about the girl having Lupus, associated with being overweight, I remembered that Margaret had shared this with me. I thought there might be others, on the list, that might benefit from knowing this, so here it is. To your health, Rick Subject: NUTRA-SWEET... THE KILLER ! "Greetings: This is an important address that contains vital information for all of us so as to be well informed of and certainly aware of how we can be directly and adversely affected by the consumption of this artificial sweetener - Aspartame and its marketed labels- as indicated below...read and be informed. Forewarned is Forearmed I say....I know what I'll do: Avoid it like the poison it is..Please pass this info on... 'WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION F.D.A. ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO Article written by Nancy Markle (1120197) I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on ?ASPARTAME marketed as 'NutraSweet', 'Equal', and 'Spoonful'. In the keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. I explained that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject. When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in AS PA RTAME converts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants). The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus people were being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is. In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. Also, with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12 oz. cans of them per day, some even more. In the cases of systemic lupus, which is triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does not know that the aspartame is the culprit. The victim continues its use aggravating the lupus to such a degree, that sometimes it becomes life threatening. When we get people off the aspartame, those with systemic lupus usually become asymptomatic. Unfortunately, we can not reverse this disease. On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, (when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of the symptoms disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned and even their hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus. During a lecture I said ?If you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches, tinnitis, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss, you probably have ASPARTAME DISEASE! People were jumping up during the lecture saying, "I've got this, is it reversible?" It is rampant. Some of the speakers at my lecture even were suffering from these symptoms. In one lecture attended by the Ambassador of Uganda, he told us that their sugar industry is adding aspartame! He continued by saying that one of the industry leader's son could no longer walk - due in part by product usage! We have a very serious problem. Even a stranger came up to Dr. Espisto (one of my speakers) and myself and said, ?Could you tell me why so many people seem to be coming down with MS?? During a visit to a hospice, a nurse said that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence. Here is the problem. There were Congressional Hearings when aspartame was included in 100 different products. Since this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing as been done. The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over 5,000 products containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED!!!!! At the time of this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol in the aspartame converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye. Formaldehyde is grouped in the same class of drugs as cyanide and arsenic/DEADLY POISONS!!! Unfortunately, it just takes longer to quietly kill, but it is killing people and causing all kinds of neurological problems. Aspartame changes the brain's chemistry. It is the reason for severe seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. Imagine what this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's Disease. This drug also causes Birth Defects. There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave carbohydrates and will make you FAT." Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs. Aspartame is especially deadly for diabetics. All physicians know what wood alcohol will do to a diabetic. We find that physicians believe that they have patients with retinopathy, when in fact, it is caused by the aspartame. The aspartame keeps the blood sugar level out of control, causing many patients to go into a coma. Unfortunately, many have died. People were telling us at the Conference of the American College of Physicians, that they had relatives who switched from saccharin to an aspartame product and how that relative had eventually gone into a coma. Their physicians could not get the blood sugar levels under control. Thus, the patients suffered acute memory loss and eventually coma and death. Memory loss is due to the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are neurotoxic without the other amino acids found in protein. Thus it goes past the blood brain barrier and deteriorates the neurons of the brain. Dr. Russell Blaylock, neurosurgeon, said, "The ingredients stimulates the neurons of the brain to death, causing brain damage of varying degrees." Dr. Blaylock has written a book entitled "EXCITOTOXINS: THE TASTE THAT KILLS" (Health Press 1-800-643- 2665). Dr. H.J. Roberts, diabetic specialist and world expert on aspartame poisoning, has also written a book entitled "DEFENSE AGAINST ALZHEIMER?S DISEASE" (1-800-814-9800). Dr. Roberts tells how aspartame poisoning is escalating Alzheimer's Disease, and indeed it is. As the hospice nurse told me, women are being admitted at 30 years of age with Alzheimer's Disease. Dr. Blaylock and Dr. Roberts will be writing a position paper with some case histories and will post it on the Internet. According to the Conference of the American College of Physicians, "We are talking about a plague of neurological diseases caused by this deadly poison". Dr. Roberts realized what was happening when aspartame was first marketed. He said his diabetic patients presented memory loss, confusion, and severe vision loss. At the Conference of the American College of Physicians, doctors admitted that they did not know. They had wondered why seizures were rampant (the phenylalanine in aspartame breaks down the seizure threshold and depletes serotonin, which causes manic depression, panic attacks, rage and violence) Just before the Conference, I received a FAX from Norway, asking for a possible antidote for this poison because they are experiencing so many problems in their country. This poison is now available in 90 PLUS countries worldwide. Fortunately, we had speakers and ambassadors at the Conference from different nations who have pledged their help. We ask that you help too. Print this article out and warn everyone you know. Take anything that contains aspartame black to the store. Take the "NO ASPARTAME TEST" and send us your case history. I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of aspartame, knows how deadly it is. They fund the American Diabetes Association, American Dietetic Association, Congress, and the Conference of the American College of Physicians. The New York Times, on November 15, 1996, ran an article on how the American Dietetic Association takes money from the food industry to endorse their products. Therefore, they cannot criticize any additives or tell about their link to MONSANTO. How bad is this? We told a mother who had a child on NutraSweet to get off the product. The child was having grand mal seizures every day. The mother called her physician, who called the ADA, who told the doctor not to take the child off the NutraSweet. We are still trying to convince the mother that the aspartame is causing the seizures. Every time we get someone off of aspartame, the seizures stop. If the baby dies, you know whose fault it is, and what we are up against. There are 92 documented symptoms of aspartame, from coma to death. The majority of them are all neurological, because the aspartame destroys the nervous system. Aspartame Disease is partially the cause to what is behind some of the mystery of the Desert Storm health problems. The burning tongue and other problems discussed in over 60 cases can be directly related to the consumption of an aspartame product. Several thousand pallets of diet drinks were shipped to the Desert Storm troops. (Remember heat can liberate the methanol from the aspartame at 86 degrees F). Diet drinks sat in the 120 degree F. Arabian sun for weeks at a time on pallets. The service men and women drank them all day long. All of their symptoms are identical to aspartame poisoning. Dr. Roberts says "consuming aspartame at the time of conception can cause birth defects". The phenylalanine concentrates in the placenta, causing mental retardation, according to Dr. Louis Elsas, Pediatrician Professor - Genetics, at Emory University in his testimony before Congress. In the original lab tests, animals developed brain tumors (phenylalanine breaks down into DXP, a brain tumor agent). When Dr. Espisto was lecturing on aspartame me, one physician in the audience, a neurosurgeon, said, "when they remove brain tumors, they have found high levels of aspartame in them." Stevia, a sweet food, NOT AN ADDITIVE, which helps in the metabolism of sugar, which would be ideal for diabetics, has now been approved as a dietary supplement by the F.D.A. For years, the F.D.A. has outlawed this sweet food because of their loyalty to MONSANTO. If it says ?SUGAR FREE? on the label? DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!l! Senator Howard Metzenbaum wrote a bill that would have warned all infants, pregnant mothers and children of the dangers of aspartame. The bill would have also instituted independent studies on the problems existing in the population (seizures, changes in brain chemistry, changes in neurological and behavioral symptoms). It was killed by the powerful drug and chemical lobbies, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting public. Since the Conference of the American College of Physicians, we hope to have the help of some world leaders. Again, please help us too. There are a lot of people out there who must be warned, please let them know this information. Post No: /1998-12-23/1756 From: Rebecca Allbrite Subject: Dogma "we still aimlessly follow traditions ex. dogmas of churches" Dear Madalyn and Group, There is no need to throw the baby out with the bath water. Even if many church practices are now done without understanding, they may have some underlying benefits, even if only to keep you looking in the right direction, until you wake up. There is always PASCAL's wager that says it's a safer bet to believe what the church tells you than to have no beliefs at all. I was raised as a Catholic and went to a Catholic school, until the middle of 5th grade. Many of the teachings got almost as ingrained in me as my own DNA. I no longer consider myself to be Catholic, but there are still a couple of things that I do ?religiously?. I was taught that all babies should be baptized, or they would not go to heaven and that it did not require a priest to do the job, anyone could perform the rite. Now I don't think that's really true, but I have assisted at many natural births and each time, I secretly performed baptism on the babies. I don't do it to turn them into little Catholics, it's more of my way of starting them off on the path with a blessing. Funny thing is, they always get this look on their little faces, as if they were trying to say, "thanks, I needed that". When the new parents find out, after the fact, they usually say that they hadn't planned on having it done, but were glad that I had, just the same. Hey, what can it hurt, right. The other thing that I feel compelled to do is go to church, at least once a year. I cover that requirement by going at Christmas and Easter. It's not out of fear of any eternal punishment, that's just when they always have the best music. When I hear pipe organs play "Jesu", the hair on the back of my neck stands up and I can feel energy pouring out the top of my head. And, those Christmas songs make me cry, just like when I read from "The Immortal", big grateful tears of joy. Hallelujah, Rebecca Post No: /1998-12-24/1753 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: (OT) Break-in Dear Diane, I'm so sorry to hear your news. It's always horrible to lose items of sentimental value, especially when they belonged to a beloved mother, but it's even worse for it to happen at Christmas time. I hope that when you go to inspect the storage area you find everything is intact. Other than that, at least you can console yourself with the fact that no one can take away the memories that they items represented - memories that are far more valuable than the items themselves. It's Christmas day in a few hours for us in New Zealand so (tm) Merry Christmas everyone! I hope that the blessings and joy you've all brought me are returned to you a hundred fold during this special time. I'm looking forward to getting to know you even more during 1999 as we share exciting times together. Blessings and love Glenys Post No: /1998-12-24/1755 From: Brainwise Subject: Off Topic: A Holiday Story Hello fellow Keysters! This is a holiday story I wrote two years ago. It is actually the sequel to a story I wrote three years ago, and ? like its predecessor ? it is written in second person so that you (the reader) become the main character in the story. I hope you enjoy it! ~B. THE SPIRIT OF THE SEASON by Brian S. Weis One theme holds sole blame for the chaos reigning in just about every store you can imagine: There are only so many shopping days left until Christmas. Has it really been a year? Have the days flown by that swiftly? It can't be Christmas time again. But here you are in the mall. Trying to follow your list, but pretty much shopping by the seat of your pants. And every fiber in your nervous system asks, "Didn't you just perform this tired ritual a few weeks ago? Why are we here again?" Why, indeed. Garish decorations, screaming children, blaring carols, impatient clerks, cranky shoppers and tired parents compete for your attention. In all of this clamor, you can barely feel sympathy, much less joy. Dancing through yet another surge of mallrats, you squint at the half-buried memory of your recent summer and wonder if any of it really took place. A few weeks ago? Right. But it must have been a year. You know because that's all the time you needed to forget that strange, bearded man and everything he told you. You can picture him now, his green clothes trimmed with white-brown fur, his sincere eyes twinkling with glee and pure joy. God, you first thought he was so patrs commands your attention. Of course they need the entire aisle, so you're jostled completely silly by the time you get around them. For only the fifth time tonight, mall anxiety wells up in your gut. You've held fast up to this point, but it's time to surrender. You can't see the point anymore, if indeed you ever did. You've got to get out of here. The exit looms agonizingly far away, your every footfall an impossible journey. As your anxiety swells, shoppers look more and more like faceless brigands or mercenaries fighting a selfish war for the spoils of Christmas. No longer interested in a holiday, these wild crowds attack Christmas like a wealthy land to conquer and loot. Clutching and pawing, they will stop at nothing to satisfy their greed-driven desires. Some unknown instinct takes over and rushes you to the main doors before you become a footnote or statistic in this particular battle. Fortunately, this instinct forces you to hold onto your own packages, else you might have dropped them. You've escaped the madness, but what now? You're a refugee, a part of, but apart from, the frenzied shoppers in the mall. Breathe. Clear the mind. The holiday felt different last year, didn't it. And the man in green was responsible for that difference. Just what did he say, what did he do, to put everything into proper focus? The parking lot, the very same one he appeared in last year, offers only silence in answer. He hardly seems real now. "This, you think as you inhale the cold, sharp night air, is as real as it gets." It's the perfect time for something unreal. And it begins with a touch. His hand gently lights upon your shoulder. Instead of resisting or bolting away, you simply wonder how long he has been behind you. You know you should be surprised, shocked even, or perhaps terrified. But you don't feel at all threatened. Somehow you actually expected him. You turn slowly, calmly to behold your visitor, and gasp at the sight of him. You never expected him to be so intensely beautiful! For the first time, you truly understand what it is to see inner beauty because this man's physical features, though notable, are not necessarily attractive. Sure, his rough beard complements the fine, deep brown hair that falls to his shoulders, but it's a dated look. His hands, scarred and heavily callused, have seen much bitter work. They confirm your suspicion that this powerful but obviously gentleman had been a laborer of some sort. But his eyes, oh! his eyes, do betray a certain weary sorrow, sorrow that only comes from caring very deeply about something, or someone. Perhaps it is that visible compassion that strikes you. "Teacher!" escapes your mouth in a hushed, astonished voice you nearly fail to recognize as your own. His voice has a poetic edge, almost musical, when he speaks. "A...relation of mine said you might be here," he begins. "He was concerned, and I must admit to sharing in that concern." "Thank you?" you respond, incapable of further speech. He smiles, but his countenance soon melts as he becomes more serious. "We are concerned when anyone forgets or dismisses the Spirit of the Season," he briefly turns his back to you and looks toward the mall. In that instant he reminds you of a parent waiting on a child that may never return home. It actually pains you to see him so. He returns to you and says, "Especially one who showed so much promise." Punctuating his remark with a little nod, he steps off the curb and slowly walks to the parking lot. What can you do but follow? "You think you have forgotten the lessons of my green garbed compeer, but in truth..." he stops in his tracks and turns to see that you are indeed listening. Satisfied, he continues, "In truth his words are merely sleeping within you. They need only a simple spark to re-ignite their flames." He looks down, shakes his head and softly chuckles. When he lifts his head, he looks to the mall a second time, "I'll admit the difficulty of finding such a spark in that house of madness can be frustratingly high." You are surprised, albeit relieved, to find yourself laughing with him. The amusement is brief, however, and when the laughter fades you ask, "Tell me, Teacher, where do I find the spark?" He resumes his walk before answering. You, of course, follow closely. Moving among the parked vehicles, he explains, "So far you have sought for it in the halls of retail merchandise. Buying this and that for friend or family, hoping that one purchase will eventually put you in the spirit." He offers a wry smile. "You can't be blamed. It has become the way of your world. At least," he stops walking to emphasize this point and you almost bump into him. "You can't be blamed unless you submit to it without question." He steps over to a lone vehicle and rests his left hand upon the driver's side mirror. "Look here," he tells you and you look at the mirror. "No!" he commands, "look more closely." Not quite certain what to make of this, you walk over to him, stoop over and look in the mirror. Expecting to see your own reflection staring back, you're caught completely off guard by the light show that appears to be taking place there instead. Colors swirl, collide, dissipate, and form images to match the Teacher's words. His voice and the mirror's images blanket your senses "True gifts are not purchased. How could you begin to put a price on a child's smiling face full of wonder and enchantment? Renewed dialogue between estranged relatives? A hug between two long-standing enemies now at peace? "Charity is one word for it. Not the pitiful, obligatory, tax-deductible expressions that people try to squeeze into their schedules. I mean love! Lao-Tzu knew it as Mother-Love Buddha called it Compassion Even the Christian tome refers to it: "Whatever you have done for the least of your brethren...you have done so for Me." "Now go ye likewise and do the same. We are all capable of great things, at least that's the theory. But it is the small things that matter. Add enough of them up, and what do you get? Wholesale transformation! 'What can you do? What can't you do! Do you desire peace? Then be nice to someone. That is supposed to be the greatest rule. Plain and simple. But theologians would rather debate and divide people over something they call the Eucharist. I fail to understand its importance. "Now this is important: Any person who asks, "What can I do?" has already said the answer. DO! Reach out. Care. Give. Share. "God is in every loving act. And I do mean "act" because love is a verb. A dance. A movement. He pauses but you can't divert your gaze from the tiny display. Colors leap and twirl. Random acts of kindness dance before your eyes. And then his final words reverberate across the parking lot, ?Put your soul into the dance!" When the echo terminates, you are crouched by your own car, staring at yourself in the mirror. Standing erect, you notice that the parking lot is once again silent. No evidence in sight to suggest the Teacher's appearance. All the evidence you need is stirring within your soul. The Spark! It's been here all the while! You smile and say, ?Yeah, there's something I can do... Post No: /1998-12-24/1757 From: Brainwise Subject: OFF TOPIC: Holiday Story Redux... OK, gang. Let me try this again. Hopefully, I have eliminated all the weird text.... THE SPIRIT OF THE SEASON [Brian resent the above post. Ed.] Post No: /1998-12-24/1758 From:Brainwise Subject:Re: Dogma (My Karma Ran Over Your Dogma) Rebecca wrote: "There is no need to throw the baby out with the bath water. Even if many church practices are now done without understanding, they may have some underlying benefits." You made some good points, Rebecca. I myself attend church(es) on a semi regular basis .... Hmmmm, I use "semi-regular" because it just doesn't sound good to say I am an "irregular attender" : ) I have never been a part of the Roman Catholic tradition, but I have participated in their mass, as well as the services of Methodists, Presbyterians, Reformists, Unitarians, Buddhists, etc. (even an old Catholic church built on an older Incan temple in Peru!). I go to church to get a recharge. Not necessarily to learn that church's slant on scripture (though you might be surprised by what you can glean there at times, often regardless of the pastor's intentions). Some churches just have great presence of spirit. And that atmosphere, with the music, the camaraderie, and silent prayers can be all I need to jumpstart me after a slump. Peace out!! ~B. Post No: /1998-12-24/1760 From: d.linen Subject:(OT)Getting Through Christmas Advice for getting through Christmas This Christmas end a quarrel. Seek out a forgotten friend. Dismiss suspicion, and replace it with trust.... Write a love letter. Share some treasure. Give a soft answer. En- courage youth. Manifest your loyalty in word and deed. Keep a promise. Find the time. Forgo a grudge. Forgive an enemy. Listen. Apologize if you were wrong. Try to understand. Flout envy. Examine your demands on others. Think first of someone else. Appreciate. Be kind; be gentle. Laugh a little. Laugh a little more. Deserve confidence. Take up arms against malice. Decry complacency. Express your gratitude. Go to church. Welcome a stranger. Gladden the heart of a child. Take pleasure in the beauty and wonder of the earth. Speak your love. Speak it again. Speak it still once again Post No: /1998-12-24/1761 From:DIONE (M. SHEPPARD) Subject: Re: Dogma Dear Rebecca, The dogmas that I referring to are 1) We are the only ones going to heaven. 2) Mormons were a cult 3) Buddhists don't believe in Jesus 4) Shamans were into devil worship 5) Nobody else can heal but us. 6) Reiki healing was not of God This is what my church's people said last Sunday in a very hateful way. I just stood there until they started to knock chiropractors and Chinese medicines. These people are speaking in tongues but it is more like forked tongues. They are supposed to be healers but they are the ones who need healing, I said to them after they said read the Bible you are going to Hell. I looked at them and said Do you know the two greatest commandments? There was silence. LOVE GOD AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and you are not doing neither. I just walked away and ask God to forgive their ignorance. Maybe the blindness is that they are not reading what the bible says they are just reading the words without meanings...They for sure are not following Jesus. Don't worry people I stood up for all religions except for evil ones who are not of Christ light. I need not say more. Love, Madalyn Post No: /1998-12-24/1762 From:DIONE6 (M. SHEPPARD) Subject:Re: Dogma Dear friends, there has been something very strange with my web. It is sending things and skipping words and changing. Sorry, Madalyn Post No: /1998-12-24/1763 From: d.linen Subject: Re: Dogma Hello Madalyn, How sad this is. They have definitely been blinded by the beast and cannot see nor hear the truth. They attack you when their beliefs are born out of ignorance. I don't have experience with speaking with tongues. I have heard of it but not seen it actually being done. To me it's a complete mystery. I would like to understand it if you could tell us something. Perhaps I am not the only one who doesn't know much about this. love, Diane Post No: /1998-12-24/1764 From:J J Dewey Subject:Hope As I was in the middle of an article to post the Spirit rested upon me and said, "Write the words of inspiration. There are those who need lifted up in spirit, who need words of hope." "What words shall I write?" I ask. "You know the words, the thoughts, the hope, they are resting in your heart even now. There are those who want and need to hear them" I paused and searched within my heart and my soul was immediately flooded to overflowing with emotion. The intensity was so great I had to pause a moment and then returned and drank again from the great fountain. As I replenished myself the first great phrase came forth. "He upon who the nations wait is waiting Himself for the time to manifest to the pure in heart and to the world. All who hear the Voice of the Spirit can shorten the wait by trusting in the Voice which is speaking within them." I absorbed these words as a thirsty plant does living water and heard the Voice speak again: "Find the words of Hope. Hope is missing from the souls of many as if there were a famine in the hearts of the children of men." I obeyed and searched my heart again and in a place with dim lights, competing noises and little nourishment I found the Word. It was in a place passed over from ages hence. I lifted up the Word and embraced it and it did cause my heart to burn and words, great words, did I hear: "I, even I, am the Hope of the world. There is none, not even one, who has had hope in Me who has done so in vain. My heart is wide as eternity and carries the hope of the child in all of you. You have looked for, and yearned for and hoped for a better world, a world of true brotherhood, of peace on earth good will toward men. When you sought One to come to deliver such a world, that hope you had was sent forth on ?wings of power? and circulates always in eternity. My friends, listen to my voice for I am aware of each time in your life that this hope has surfaced and promise you that the day will come when you shall see me face to face and the time of hope shall be exchanged for a time of fullness of joy. "To all who hear these words I say nourish that hope which is in you and give it to others as the passing of a candle. You know not the power you have in kindling the hope of the downtrodden. You know not how much the souls of men yearn to have Hope burn within them again. Look upon the world..." I immediately felt my spirit being lifted up and saw the world by feeling the world. The world as an entity had its eyes downward and was pulled upon by a dark and powerful gravity that seemed to have taken the world's attention away from the bright and shining light that was hovering upward, if the world would only look and see. Again the voice spoke to me: "Tell the world to look upward and listen!" I put my attention on the world and spoke the words it wanted to hear. "Look up and see the Hope of the world." The world obeyed, but slowly, and finally looked upward. As it turned it saw a great light that released it from the gravity that held it bound. Then words were spoken and hope was born anew. "I am coming even as I promised I would to fulfill my words to you, the world, because I love the world. I am coming even now in the hearts of men and women everywhere and in a short time my feet will walk among the paths of men, my hands will heal their wounds and I will sit at their tables and the Light and Love and Power of my Father-Mother God will rest upon them. "Let not your hearts be troubled about how or when I shall manifest, but only let your eye be single on the faith that it shall occur. Join your minds to the Eternal Now and be as if I am here at this moment and it shall be. My First and Second Coming is now One and I am with you now. Take a moment (or more) of silence and feel My Love and hear My voice speak within you. Be ever aware that I live and am BECOMING in you." Personal note from J.J. Please take this moment (or moments) of silence seriously. You may just feel the Master.... the best Christmas gift possible. Post No: /1998-12-24/1765 From:DIONE6 (M. SHEPPARD) Subject: Re: Dogma Dear Diane, Before when they prayed over me I felt a change. This time I didn't, it was not from their hearts or spirits to tell you the truth. They seemed about as hateful as my alcoholic father the final time I saw him years ago. You should have seen his face! His eyes were red and he looked like the devil himself. I took my mother and we never returned. These people were given a gift of tongues from the spirit. They all talk in a language I don't know or understand, But they did not have love in their hearts. I have spoken in tongues once or twice when I did healing. It is really funny... The Reiki people wouldn't allow me to pray and the church wouldn't allow me to do Reiki. They said that it was devil worship... I am sorry but that is a lot of crap...excuse my French...and it deserves to be flushed.... So where do I heal...I was very upset and I went home ...I did Reiki on myself and I felt the Holy Spirit descend on me. I felt my Guardian Angel wrap her wings around me. Her feathers were pink and gold. I felt a most powerful being giving me unconditional LOVE . I take no medicine or use drugs. I prayed please send me a sign. I walked into my healing room and look at the Blessed Mother(tm)WOW! my Xmas cactus was blooming. It hasn't bloomed since I got it many years ago. I don't remember any buds on it either. This was my sign.... I went to the priest today and told him what happen. He didn't condone their attitude...I said, Please tell them I forgive them and their hateful attitude. I wanted to belong to your healing group but I cannot be with people who have such a Holier than thou attitude. I will have to go where my Angels lead me and my FAITH in GOD. Is this what you wanted? Love, Madalyn Post No: /1998-12-24/1766 From:d.linen Subject:Re: Dogma Dear Madalyn, Thank you for helping me to understand. It's beautiful that you felt your guardian angel gather you in her wings. That sounds so very special. I have felt gentle touches from mine. The lightest of touches that made me feel a sort of chill throughout my body; not at all unpleasant. Those times I think I have felt a "knowingness" of truth and spirit. Please be aware that you have been embraced in our little family here and we will listen and give you all the support and love you could want. love to all, Diane Post No: /1998-12-24/1767 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Hope J J Dewey wrote: "Let not your hearts be troubled about how or when I shall manifest, but only let your eye be single on the faith that it shall occur. Join your minds to the Eternal Now and be as if I am here at this moment and it shall be. My First and Second Coming is now One and I am with you now. Take a moment (or more) of silence and feel My Love and hear My voice speak within you. Be ever aware that I live and am BECOMING in you." JJ, as I meditated on your message of hope my heart filled to overflowing. What a privilege to be alive today to knowingly experience the second coming in our hearts and to see ?his feet walk among the paths of men?. How many lifetimes have we waited for this time? How long have we waited for our heartfelt yearnings to be fulfilled? We are heading for a time of overwhelming glory and joy. I pray that our hearts and minds will be opened to see it and to take part fully in the promises. Thank you for giving us this beautiful message. My tears are flowing as I sit at the Master's feet. Love to all Glenys Post No: /1998-12-24/1768 From:DIONE6 (M. SHEPPARD) Subject:Re: Dogma Dear Diane, Thank-you, sometimes I feel so strange since my NDE. I was out for 6 weeks have gone to many psychics and Reiki teachers who said I was a walk-in. That is why I feel alien, that this is not my home. Sometimes I feel as welcome as an old hound dog with fleas. I hope that somebody can tell me what's going on. My drivers license picture doesn't look like my old one. It looks like 2 different people. I thank-you for welcoming me. Love, Madalyn Post No: /1998-12-24/1769 From: d.linen Subject: Re: Hope Hi Glenys, I was too choked up to answer too. This is truly a beautiful message. It means so much in so many ways. JJ this is what I dream of and long for. Thanks so much for this, JJ. love to all, Diane Post No: /1998-12-24/1770 From:DIONE6(M. SHEPPARD) Subject: Re: Hope Dear Glenys, What a beautiful thought! He is already in my heart. Today I saw someone who used to be self-centered and wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone(tm) Today he helped someone untangle those grocery baskets and he was smiling, which I haven't seen him do. My heart leaped with Joy(tm) Hmmm I think he is here and he is performing good deeds in man...I know this person has changed for the better ...and I am glad. Love, Madalyn Post No: /1998-12-24/1771 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Dogma This speaking in tongues is not at all what was talked about in the Bible. When the disciples received the Holy Spirit, they were opened to greater knowledge and could understand and communicate Christ's message better to all men. What is now days called speaking in tongues, is done by a series of exercises that are designed to weaken the will and break down the protective barrier, created by Christ, which keeps lower astral entities from communicating with us and controlling our will. Nobody would willingly give their soul to the devil, but the clever beast has tricked many into believing that speaking in tongues or other so called powers from the spirit will get you closer to God. The beast can be just as tricky when it comes to Reiki. Always ask yourself, what you want greater power for. If it is so people will look up to you, respect and need you, beware, the beast is at your door. If you seek greater power to find Truth and be a servant to it, Christ will give you more power than you could ever have hoped for. A church is a form of energy. Energy is neither good nor bad. It is what one chooses to do with this energy that comes under judgment. One could say that we "Keysters" are a church. What makes us different from other churches is that we have the right idea about the concept of service. Or so I have witnessed, Rick Post No: /1998-12-24/1772 From:xavier Subject:Re : Re: Ignorance Trixie wrote: "I agree with your interpretation of ignorance. I think people try to lessen the negative connotation of ignorance by calling it denial. (Doesn't sound so bad.) To me this all goes back to fear. Fear of change, fear of being unlovable, being rejected, etc. Sad to say that while some do think ignorance is bliss, it is really hell. Any kind of separation from God is hell to me." Hi! it looks like in English, the word ignorance has several different meanings. In French, and I guess it's a French word, it strictly means: not knowing. in fact the Greek root GNO means: to know or to learn, as in GIGNOSKO. Are there Greek students around? If it means: to learn, then "ignorance" means: unlearnedness, the state of someone who hasn't learned something. See you!!! Post No: /1998-12-24/1773 From:LHodges Subject:Reiki explained. Rick writes: "The beast can be just as tricky when it comes to Reiki." Rick, are you tired? Looking out your window at your neighborhood? What? I'm sure you don't mean to associate Reiki with speaking in tongues and the Beast all in one breath. But since you did.... The word Reiki translates to mean "universal life force energy". I use Reiki, but I don't use the Beast. I use Reiki as a door for the healing energies. If you wanted to you could use the act of turning on a particular light bulb as the door for healing energies. It's not the Reiki itself that is the power, it is the Power that is the power. The Reiki practitioner merely becomes the "wire that carries the electricity". And as a Reiki practitioner I see and feel the currents of energy going through me and the patient feels the results. I need not say a word, nor know the real cause of their problem. Did you know that Reiki originated because of one man in the 1800's? He was a principal at a University in Japan, and a Christian minister. His students asked him to show them the method by which Jesus did healing. He didn't know. The "Christian authorities" in Japan didn't talk about healings, so he went to Buddhism. The Buddhist monks said that the ancient spiritual healing method had been lost. He searched in Divinity Schools in the United States, learned to read Sanskrit but still found not the answer. Later he returned to Japan and took residency in a Zen Buddhist monastery, and found some ancient healing text written in Sanskrit. He then spent three weeks meditating, fasting and praying about the text. On the 21st day of his quest he saw a ?projectile of light coming toward him. His first response was to run from it, but then he thought again. He decided to accept what was coming and the answer to his meditation, even if it resulted in his death. The light struck his third eye and he lost consciousness for a time. Then he saw "millions and millions of rainbow bubbles" and finally the Reiki symbols as if on a screen. As he saw each of the symbols, he was given the information about each of them to activate the healing energy. This was his Reiki attunement, the rediscovery of an ancient healing method. He left the mountain knowing how to heal as Buddha and Jesus had healed. From that point on he used the Ray of Universal Life Force Energy to heal people just as Jesus did, and passed the attunement on to other people. I am glad to be able to heal as Jesus did. LeLona Post No: /1998-12-24/1774 From: xavier Subject: Re : Reiki explained. off-topic and nice. Now I really hope Rick, Lelona and other keysters will say everything they know about Reiki. I'm really interested in knowing what it truly is, and how it works. I see that people heal with it, yet they don't actually know what energy they tap into. "universal energy" doesn't mean a thing to me. my shoe is part of universal energy too. I sure don't want to sound down or breaking anything, but as a stu