1998 - WEEK 50 Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1424 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Keysters Family Photo Album Ok Keyster folks, I got it done :) The address is: http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html Please drop by, and consider sharing your pic in our album :) Much love, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1425 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: pictures site Xavier wrote: "hi friends! i just downloaded two image viewing programs, and while trying them, i naturally opened the folder where you are." "now guess what??? that picture of samu at Stonehenge: there's much room in it: samu, you could insert the picture of the other keysters on your picture with Stonehenge at the rear, as if we/you all were there... i think that's a nice idea..!!!!" That is no bad idea, but there might problems trying to fit in the pics because most are of different size, and the angles and everything. I *might* look into it later though. Not now, I really need to get some sleep, it's late here :) You got a pic you could share, Xavier? Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1426 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: pictures site Yes it was just a vision of mine, but it needs more ideas to get materialized. As for a pic of me, I'd have to find a scanner AND a pic, I mean a good one. It is possible to do, but I'm very lazy, and usually wait for opportunities of easy work. (oooo!shame on youuuu!!)) Anyway it's on my mind, it might materialize someday. Actually there is a pic of me that is scanned somewhere in a weekly newspaper, where I look like a crazy guru. I have it on paper somewhere. I definitely look like a crazy man on that one, (they did it on purpose) but it's real fun too. I guess there might be a real picture of keysters at Stonehenge, if we all get there! It's nearer than US for me!! I already see a company rolling around the Keys with that picture in the advertising! ::)) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1427 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: archive update automatic check AGiles writes: "am normally a lurker but this am had a major mess-up with AOL (mumble, mumble)" I've experienced problems with AOL for the last 3 days. I can't get onto the Internet. So I called them finally today at 1-800-827-6364 and got some technical assistance. They said I needed a new browser, and told me to go to Keyword and type in 128browser, which I did, and downloaded it, which took an hour. Then I had to install it. Now I'm back online but haven't tried the net yet. If you have problems just call them and tell them your problem. It may be different than my problem was. And no, it didn't delete my files or address book or names and passwords. Good Luck! LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1428 From: Rick Audette Subject: Johnny strikes up the band Hi All, Remember me talking about that song that reminded me of the Keys members? I was in the music store today and found a copy on CD. so, I got it and made a wave file and sent it to the web. The URL is: http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/johnny.wav it will take several minutes to load so be patient. Hey, maybe Samu can use it for background music on the family photo page. Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-49/1429 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Keysters Family Photo Album Samu writes: "http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html" Gee, Thanks, Samu! The AOL fix worked! Now I can get on the net again, just in time to see pictures. Hey I thought Belle's picture was going to be there! Where'd it go? I never could open it when she sent it to me, so I was especially looking forward to seeing it. I got a giggle out of your aura photo and being told "you are not only in the flow, you are the flow". WoWee! And you can keep the bio beside my name. That's about as good as it'll ever get.....hahahaha. Maybe if others don't have a scanner at home, which I don't, you could borrow one somewhere and get your pix on disc. That's what I did. Where I work at we have a digital imaging department, so I just went in (and since I do the payroll) asked them to make me a disc. How could they refuse? hahahaha I'd like to see a pix of JJ! JJ! JJ! JJ! JJ!......I think I know what he looks like, as I had a flash one day of seeing someone sitting, waist up, and I think it was him. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1430 From: Isabelle Subject: Re: Keysters Family Photo Album Samu writes: " http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html" "Gee, Thanks, Samu! The AOL fix worked! Now I can get on the net again, just in time to see pictures. Hey I thought Belle's picture was going to be there! Where'd it go? I never could open it when she sent it to me, so I was especially looking forward to seeing it." I'm way too shy at this point to have a real pic on the web... I'm still freaking that I sent it to the list by mistake.. Maybe Samu will send it to you as he has a copy you might be able to open.. Eh, Samu???? "I'd like to see a pix of JJ! JJ! JJ! JJ! JJ!......I think I know what he looks like, as I had a flash one day of seeing someone sitting, waist up, and I think it was him." We would probably all like that... but will it happen?? And James... I'm curious about that hand mudra too... Just what does it mean????.. Something very spiritual, I'm sure.. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1431 From: "TwinStorms" Subject: Re: Keysters Family Photo Album "And James... I'm curious about that hand mudra too... Just what does it mean????.. Something very spiritual, I'm sure.." *** The hand mudra is actually a sign language symbol that I do with my children. It means "I love you"! When you turn your hand forward and back repetitively while in this position, it means "I love you very much"! For those expecting something a little more spiritual; The index and pinky alone are a symbol for God. The thumb and index alone are a symbol for Goddess. The thumb, index and pinky alone would indicate the duality of the Goddess and God being One! Therefore taking both definitions and merging them; Using your right hand would indicate a sending out of the Unconditional Love of the God and Goddess! Using the left hand or receptive hand indicate a receiving of the Unconditional Love of the God and Goddess! By the way Belle, I hope my comment on your picture did not lead you to decide not to put it on the web page. You Loook Mavelous! Don't be shy! Light, Love and Power One for All and All for One! TwinStorms AKA James Bryan Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1432 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: I C Q help? Hi, gang. I wanted to download an ICQ program so I could chat with you, and found a website ICQ.com, downloaded the program, but when I tried to run it a window opened and said AOL might not be able to open it, continue or not. I said continue, but then another window opened and it said the ICQ program was too big for AOL. Drats! Anyone got any ideas what I can do now? Other than get another provider. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1433 From: Diane Linen Subject: Re: I C Q help? Can you use AOL's IM? Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1434 From: Brainwise Subject: Re: Keysters Family Photo Album You wrote: "I got it done :) The address is: http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html Please drop by, and consider sharing your pic in our album :)" Hey dude! My name is spelled "Brian Weis"..not "Brian Wise". (That makes my screenname an anagram of my real name!) Nice job!!!!!!! : ) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1435 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: I C Q help? You wrote: "but when I tried to run it a window opened and said AOL might not be able to open it, continue or not. I said continue, but then another window opened and it said the ICQ program was too big for AOL." Hmmmmmm.... I have no problem running ICQ with AOL. Time for me to go to B E D, ASAP. :::::giggle:::::: ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1436 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Keysters Family Photo Album You wrote: "It means, "I love you"! When you turn your hand forward and back repetitively while in this position, it means, "I love you very much"!" "For those expecting something a little more spiritual; The index and pinky alone are a symbol for God. The thumb and index alone are a symbol for Goddess. The thumb, index and pinky alone would indicate the duality of the Goddess and God being One!" And here I thought it meant, "Duuuuuuude!" Oh, wait. I guess that is pretty much the same thing. : ) ~B. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1437 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: ICQ Download Lelona, I downloaded my ICQ from www.mirabilis.com - it may have switched over to the icq.com site for the download, I just can't remember. You might take a look at the Mirabilis site to see if it looks familiar. Hope this helps. G Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-13/1438 From: Isabelle Subject: Hand mudras James Bryan writes: "How nice!! And thanks for the rest of the info... more than I hoped for, and glad to get it.. I just love stuff like that." "By the way Belle, I hope my comment on your picture did not lead you to decide not to put it on the web page. You Loook Mavelous! Don't be shy!" Sorry, just not ready yet.. Thanks, tho... It wasn't your comment.. I just made a decision a while back not to post real photos of myself.. Perhaps I'll change my mind later. Grins, Belle Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1439 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Milgram Experiment A while back Dateline had a special on the power of Authority. They started the show by showing an old clip from Candid Camera. In this clip the victim of the show entered an elevator with about six other people in it. The funny thing was that the other six (who worked with Candid Camera) were told to face different directions at different times. Now normally when you are in an elevator you face the door, but this group all faced the inside panel with their backs toward the door. Even though this was very odd the victim did not want to be different so he turned with his back toward the door. Then they showed several clips of the people in the elevator and every time the group turned, the victim turned with them. It seemed kind of funny and I'm sure the Candid Camera audience got a good laugh out of it, but the reality behind this is the scariest human trait we possess. That is, most of mankind will follow the leader or group even if it makes no sense or if it goes against every moral teaching they have ever been taught. The second part of the feature had an experiment done with college students. Again they had an unsuspecting victim participating with a group of about a half dozen that knew what was going on. The group was shown a set of four lines and of the four there were two of equal length. They were then asked to pick the two lines that were equal. They showed the lines on TV and it was obvious which two were the correct match. The next thing they did was to have the planted students all give the same wrong match. Then when it became the victim's turn you could tell he began to doubt what his eyes and reasoning were telling him. Some of the victims gave the right answer for a round or two but one by one each victim gave in and started giving the wrong answer as the right answer, even though he knew within himself that it was wrong. The interesting thing about watching their faces on TV was that they all looked a little depressed when they started knowingly giving the wrong answers as right answers. It was almost like the poor kids were selling their souls. Finally they showed the most alarming experiment of all authority which was conducted by Stanley Milgram way back in the sixties. Milgram was curious about how a group of apparently normal people like the Germans could have participated in the Nazi atrocities which was against every moral teaching that they ever believed in. Their excuse was always the same: "I was just following orders.." Below is a description of the experiment: "In the experiment, so-called "teachers" (who were actually the unknowing subjects of the experiment) were recruited by Milgram. They were asked to administer an electric shock of increasing intensity to a "learner" for each mistake he made during the experiment. The fictitious story given to these "teachers" was that the experiment was exploring effects of punishment (for incorrect responses) on learning behavior. The "teacher" was not aware that the "learner" in the study was actually an actor - - merely indicating discomfort as the "teacher" increased the electric shocks." "When the "teacher" asked whether increased shocks should be given he/she was verbally encouraged to continue. Sixty-five percent of the "teachers" obeyed orders to punish the learner to the very end of the 450-volt scale! No subject stopped before reaching 300 volts!" "At times, the worried "teachers" questioned the experimenter, asking who was responsible for any harmful effects resulting from shocking the learner at such a high level. Upon receiving the answer that the experimenter assumed full responsibility, teachers seemed to accept the response and continue shocking, even though some were obviously extremely uncomfortable in doing so." What was interesting about watching this on Dateline was that when the subject hit the high voltage the pretended victim screamed like crazy and even said he had a bad heart and that the experiment was killing him. The subject then turned to the authority as if asking what to do and the authority told him to continue. If the subject seemed to doubt the authority told him that he would take responsibility. Then the subject continued to shock the supposed victim past 300 volts until he went silent. This indicated the victim was either unconscious or dead. Still the subject did not cease. He continued to increase the voltage clear up to 450 which would mean that if the victim was not dead yet this would surely kill him. The interesting thing is that if this was a real happening, the subject would not only have killed another human being which was against every teaching that he believed in, but he would have also been brought up on murder charges. It is scary that even that possibility did not deter the subject from following authority. The funny thing about these experiments is that the scientists predicted that only one out of a thousand would follow an authority to shock up to 450 volts, but 65% went that far and 100% of the subjects went up to 300 volts, which is still enough to kill. Thus we have a great example of the true mark of the beast on the right hand - the willingness to follow blind authority no matter what the consequences. The interesting thing is that very few people know themselves well enough to know whether or not they would administer the 300 or more volts to an innocent brother. Most would think that they would never do such a thing, but are they right? Remember, 100% of those in the experiment yielded to the authority. Even more sinister is the mark in the forehead. Remember the philosophy of Big Brother in the novel 1984? It was not enough that people did as they were told. In addition to this he demanded that they also love Big Brother and totally embrace everything he stood for in their belief system. If someone was caught having independent thought he was not executed immediately. First he had to be brainwashed into loving Big Brother and when the victim demonstrated that he was willing to accept an obvious falsehood from Big Brother with Love, then he was shot, but not before. Now we must remember that over half of the world's population is under the direct obvious control of some Big Brother type of government. For these inhabitants there is often no way for immediate escape from the mark of the Beast. They have to at least pretend to go along or they will not be able to get work, will not be able to buy or sell and may wind up executed. It's a little different in the Free World. We do not have to receive the mark here; instead, we embrace it by our own free will, just as do the subjects in the Milgram experiment. They were free. They could have gotten up any moment and left, but they did not. Kyle said that perhaps religion administers the mark of the beast in the free world. Yes, this is true as shown by Jonestown, Heavens Gate and your fanatical neighbor down the street, but this is only part of the mark. The mark is demonstrated before us right now on TV by the Democrats and Republicans in the impeachment proceedings. Both sides are going along with group thought. I think out of the 435 Representatives only one Republican and no Democrats defied their party thought-form and authoritative leaders on the last Impeachment vote. One of about 435 going against accepted authorities. That's how powerful the beast is! It doesn't matter to the beast if you are Republican or Democrat, or even which is closer to the truth. What matters is control. The question we need to ask ourselves is: "Would I be strong enough to be one out of the 435?" Would we have been strong enough as an early Christian to refuse to acknowledge Caesar as God and allow ourselves to be fed to lions? Putting religion aside you have to admire these followers of Christ who gave their lives to defy the beast. Their lives were not in vain, for they paved the way to the wounding of the beast. Now finally we are in a point in time and space where the whole beast will be destroyed, but before we can destroy such an enemy we must know and understand what it is and how it functions. The beast, as a whole, is not a country or anything physical, but is blind authority and is demonstrated by the "blind following the blind." The beast is destroyed by opening the eyes of the blind, and this we shall do with power and great glory, but first we must open our own eyes to the one authority - the Spirit of God within us. Now we shall attack the greatest, most discussed mystery of the whole Bible - the number of the Beast. Everything you have learned so far has just been preparation to understand this mystery. Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. So what is the meaning of the 666? Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1440 From: J J Dewey Subject: Picture I'm giving in here and sending a picture of my wife and I to Samu. It's a couple years old, but it'll give you the general idea. As explained in Book II Elizabeth is not my wife's real name. Her real name is Artie and she reads all of your posts. She has never taken an active interest in surfing the Internet but she has a big influence on many things I write and post to you. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1441 From: Rick Audette Subject: 666 Hi All, As we try to understand the number 666, it might be useful to have an idea of how the code numbers used work. Each of the letters, in the Greek alphabet has a number value and all the letters in a word or phrase are added up to give the number of the thing. Many different words or phrases can yield the same sums. The numbers do not equal a thing, but rather a quality or essence which can be found, in some proportion, in ALL things. Just as there is nothing which is all yin or all yang, so too, there is 666 in everything. The idea is not to eliminate the 666, but rather to keep it in it's proper place and proportion. 666 is the nucleus of an atom. If you eliminate the nucleus, the atom would fly apart. If the nucleus is too strong, the atom will collapse. The power, mentioned in the song of 144,000 is the 666 energy, relatively speaking. Am I making any sense? Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1442 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: 666 J J Dewey wrote: " So what is the meaning of the 666?" Well, I don't mind having a go although I've got a feeling we'll be working on it for awhile. John tells us that the number of the beast is the number of man and I guess that's supposed to be a hint. Numerologists say that six is the one perfect number between one and two, and they remind us that God created the world in six days. At its highest, it's supposed to represent the unknowable in man, the urge to expand his consciousness to reach God. Revelation speaks of six quite a bit (the four angels round the throne each have six wings, the 24(6) adoring elders etc). Thus we find the number six in creation on the physical plane and also on the higher spiritual planes. Power was given to the beast for 42 months (6) or one half the cycle of seven, the number of perfection. Six is the power that is active beneath the surface, the force within which is always striving for attainment and completion. This is so whether the force is directed to good or evil purposes. Man has 33 (6) vertebrae protecting the spinal cord through which life forces pass through from the lower centres to the higher centres in the head (the Ladder of Jacob). It is found in all aspects of creation (Rick's got some good info on this which he shared with Lisa and I tonight during a chat session.) Six proclaims that evolution of the physical is perfected and the next step is the urge of the spirit towards rest or perfection. Interestingly enough, 666 and 144,000 add up to nine. The first represents unregenerate man who wars against his higher nature and the latter, the number of the redeemed. One of my reference books says 'since all humanity experiences the downward draw of the lower nature and the upward pull of the higher self, it is clear that 666, the beast, and the 144,000, the regenerated, apply not to a single dragon nor to a specific group of individuals but that they are numerical symbols for powers operating in all humanity, and that both numbers reducing to nine point to it as the major vibratory power governing human evolution'. Six is perfection in the form of power, represented by the symbolism of six equilateral triangles within a circle. Each side of each triangle equals the radius of the circle and six is almost exactly the ratio of the circumference to the radius. However, one reference says, 'this potential perfection may come to grief, and this danger makes six the number of the trial between good and evil" So how does all of this help us answer the question? Well, it doesn't really - they're just snippets I found interesting :) But I think that if six is supposed to be represent the number of man in all his manifest potential, then 666 would add power to that potentiality - to chose good or evil or life or death. The beast personifies the human tendency of absolute power corrupting absolutely; counterfeit power without the true power of God. That's all for now folks :) Love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I cannot ruin the Mystery I cannot reveal what I know perfectly In the most secret core of me, something blazes joy I can never put my finger on it..- Rumi Post No. keys-l: /1998-`12-14/1443 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: I C Q help? Diane Linen writes: "Can you use AOL's IM?" Yes, but it won't accept ICQ numbers, only names. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1444 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: I C Q help? It's true they aren't interchangeable. I have had trouble with both of them lately. IM tends to cut off and ICQ often won't load at all. There are several of us that have both. Rick and Xavier and I for an example. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1445 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: 666 JJ writes: "So what is the meaning of the 666?" A while back there was a great post from someone (sorry, don't remember the name) calculating 666 to be yin/yang, or 69. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1446 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Keysters Family Photo Album "http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html" I just put 3 new pics up, from JJ, Glenys and Kyle, and there will be more soon. Keep 'em coming! :) JJ, you look so familiar, but I can't really tell why. I almost feel like I have met you somewhere but can't remember the place or the time :) I have to admit the image I had in my mind didn't match the picture... I was so sure I would see some beard! :D Nopes, not in this lifetime!! :D Thank you all for sharing photos of yourself, great shots. It makes me happy to be able to provide a page for us :) Much love, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1447 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: I C Q help? When I had Netscape 3, I had to re-install Icq after going on line, in order to use it and then uninstall it each time, when done. Then I downloaded Netscape Communicator 4.5 and found that I could run ICQ with ease and open AOL-IM at the same time, (it comes built in w/Communicator). Now there are times when I can be chatting on both programs at the same time, with no technical problems at all. The only problems I have now is trying to keep up with 2-6 conversations at the same time and typing fast enough. As far as I know, you can use Netscape to access an AOL account even better than using AOL's software. You can download NC 4.5 for free at Netscape.com In your service, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1448 From: JOHN KOSIOR Subject: Re: The Milgram Experiment J J Dewey wrote: "the true mark of the beast on the right hand - the willingness to follow blind authority no matter what the consequences." "Even more sinister is the mark in the forehead." "The beast, as a whole, is not a country or anything physical, but is blind authority and is demonstrated by the "blind following the blind." Hi Folks, Not feeling too ready to take on the 666 question. Especially since there is such "number" expertise already on this list. And musicians and numbers don't always get along very well anyway. But concepts, landscapes, and broad, picturesque overviews; this is where the musicians come in. In the bible there's the story of the walls of Jericho being destroyed so that the Israelite army could defeat its enemies within. As the story goes, the musicians amongst the Israelites would lead a processional around the walls of Jericho once a day for six days. Then on the seventh day they would march around the walls seven times. Then the walls would come down on their own. So, here was the "army of God", so to speak, being instructed by God to march around these really thick walls that protected a whole city. They were to do this for a week, along which time, nothing would happen until the last day. And I can only imagine the story behind the scenes. I can just hear the priests saying, "hey, this is pretty crazy. Who's crazy enough to go along with this?" To which God replied, "Send the musicians, they'll do it. They'll do anything". (Last two quotes are my own. Please don't try to reference them) And I can imagine the musicians getting the news about their mission. They're to march around the city of their enemies, playing music, for a week. All the while, nothing would really actually happen. No doubt the enemies within would be atop the walls, taunting and jeering them as they went by. Pretty crazy. But as musicians, they were probably thinking, "Well, it's a gig". (humor) What they were really thinking was simply to do what they do. And leave the rest to God. This is the strength of the musician. That is to suspend "time", and even "logic" in order to follow a creative thought. So we too are marching around the walls (the image of the beast), which is the power of the adversary. (the beast). To play our song and to express the part we have. Our enemies (dark brotherhood) will surly jeer us, and it may appear that nothing is happening for a week or so, but we can be assured, this time the image is coming down. To this I say that we are all the "Musicians of God". I can't wait to hear more about this number thing. Would the musicians that play that part please step forward. You're on! In Good Humor, John Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1449 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: 666 Rick wrote: "As we try to understand the number 666, it might be useful to have an idea of how the code numbers, used, work. Each of the letters, in the Greek alphabet has a number value and all the letters in a word or phrase are added up to give the number of the thing. Many different words or phrases can yield the same sums. The numbers do not equal a thing, but rather a quality or essence which can be found, in some proportion, in ALL things. Just as there is nothing which is all yin or all yang, so too, there is 666 in everything. The idea is not to eliminate the 666, but rather to keep it in it's proper place and proportion. 666 is the nucleus of an atom. If you eliminate the nucleus, the atom would fly apart. If the nucleus is too strong, the atom will collapse. The power, mentioned in the song of 144,000 is the 666 energy, relatively speaking. Am I making any sense?" Yes you are Rick, very much so :) There was just one thing that I found a little perplexing: 666 is the nucleus of an atom, but the charge of the nucleus is positive, since it consists of protons and neutrons, and it is the layers of electrons surrounding the nucleus that has negative charge. Of course both positive and negative (I am talking about neutral terms here, not like good vs. evil, even if that is same thing when vieved emotionally and/or morally) have to exist or there could be no polarity, no change, no growth, but you'd think 666 would be the electrons? Or is this one of those way paradoxical thingies that contain a *huge* truth? :) Glenys, great post, and this (among many other passages) struck a chord: "However, one reference says, 'this potential perfection may come to grief, and this danger makes six the number of the trial between good and evil" "But I think that if six is supposed to be represent the number of man in all his manifest potential, then 666 would add power to that potentiality - to chose good or evil or life or death. The beast personifies the human tendency of absolute power corrupting absolutely; counterfeit power without the true power of God." So in a way it is both the ultimate blessing and the mandatory 'curse' that makes everything possible to exist and develop. To say that the number adds power to the potentiality of man, that makes tons of sense. You cannot make decisions and choose if you don't see black from white. In the process you learn to recognize different shades of grays and find out that white holds all the colors imaginable :) Hey, maybe 666 being the nucleus symbolizes the power the atom releases when it has found balance between positive and negative, choosing positive/light/love over the negative that is still a part of it, and has gained enough potential energy to split in 2 and reveal the inner light? Hmmm? :) Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1450 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Keysters Family Photo Album Samu writes: "JJ, you look so familiar, but I can't really tell why. I almost feel like I have met you somewhere but can't remember the place or the time :)" Yup! That's who I saw in my flash, except JJ had wire rimmed glasses on. Same hairline, but I saw it whitter. Maybe just symbolic of the wisdom. So, where is Kyle? Glenys, that's not what I thought you'd look like. I pictured straight hair, short bobed. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1451 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: I C Q help? Rick writes: "You can download NC 4.5 for free at Netscape.com" Thanks, Ric, I'll try that. Bryan, which version of ICQ did you choose? I'm running Windows 3.1 at home, where I would be using ICQ, but I have Windows 95, just took it off and went back to 3.1. Would it help to install W.95? For ICQ I chose the one to run with Windows 3.1, but when I tried to install it online, like the instructions say to do, it was an AOL message to stopped me, not a Windows message. I have plenty of hd room, so that's not the problem. AOL said they couldn't open it. I may call AOL again! This is ridiculous! LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1452 From: "peregrine falcon" Subject: Re: 666 Glenys- right now, I have no real input besides the fact that I am noticing that there is info only on one of the three sixes. Now I am curious how much sense this might make, but if this could be the difference between good and evil as you and many others keep saying, then do you think it might be possible that the reason for three sixes could be incorporated into the threefold law, which is a definite measure when speaking of the reaction between good and evil. Blessed Be Kyle k Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1453 From: "peregrine falcon" Subject: Re: 666 Thnx for the posting of the totem, Samu. I didnt know you'd find it that fast. Cool. Considering that the address you posted is my school address and I will be unable to check it when the summer comes maybe it would be possible to change is to spirit_messenger@hotmail.com Thnx and Blessed Be Kyle k Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1454 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Photo Album Name I'm surprised someone hasn't said something about the word "Keyster". Maybe I'm showing my age, but I remember the word being slang for the butt, the behind, the daryaire. Maybe that was just the lingo of the crowd I was roaming with at the time, but if no one else knows that's the slang then I'll drop it. Just "Our Family Photo Album" would be finer with me. BTW, in my picture, I'm wrapped in two pieces of material. That's not a fancy dress I have on. Fancy dresses I don't have. Slouch dresses, or Serape's, or jeans and Neil Diamond T-shirts (everyone he ever printed...hee hee) and sandles is all I usually wear, to work or otherwise. The picture developed because Kodak rep was here setting up a store, and I was their test to calibrate the equipment. Hey, What can I say? It turned out darn good, even if I do say so myself. (Course, that's not the sexy one. That one is in black and blues, boa around the neck, and all.....hee hee) LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1455 From: (rick audette) Subject: Re: 666 666=positive male energy, 1080=negative female energy positive and negative are only relative terms and, as you say, do not have anything to do with "good and bad". Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1456 From: Isabelle Subject: Re: Photo Album Name "I'm surprised someone hasn't said something about the word "Keyster". Maybe I'm showing my age, but I remember the word being slang for the butt, the behind, the daryaire. Maybe that was just the lingo of the crowd I was roaming with at the time, but if no one else knows that's the slang then I'll drop it. Just "Our Family Photo Album" would be finer with me." Now that you mention it.... That's a term I'm familiar with too... Like "Get your keyster off the couch and help with the dishes!" It may be spelled a different way, but that's how it sounds.. Love everyone's images and some do look VERY familiar to me too.. Hmmmm Deja Vu? I've had several more requests to see a real image of me and there is sometimes a problem with the Mac/PC thing, so I think I'll ask Samu if he could put up a photo for just a few days then take it off.. How does that sound? That way the folks who are already here will have a chance to view it and then I'll get my wish to go back to the more fantasy like version.. Is that OK with you, Samu?? I know you are pretty busy. Have a good one wherever you are, Belle Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1457 From: (Rick Audette) Subject: Defining terms Bonjour mes amis, After hearing the song, "When Johnny Strikes Up the Band", Xavior wrote asking if I could explain, for those that are not as well versed in English, what some of the words, in the song mean. So, for their benefit, as a songwriter myself, I'll try to clarify what I feel the terms mean, at least as they effect listeners on the Keys list. Johnny Strikes Up The Band Written By Warren Zevon c. 1978 Zevon Music/BMI Dry your eyes my little friend (don't cry any more) Let me take you by the hand (lead you on the path) Freddie get ready Rock steady (double entendre, Rock and roll, Rock of ages) When Johnny strikes up the band (call the groups attention to begin the music, by tapping the podium with his baton or in this case, ringing his bell) They'll be rocking in the projects (rocking has many meanings all of which apply here; getting in the swing of things, party, making love, working together, etc. Projects are public accomodations for the masses) Walking down along the strand (strand=shoreline) Freddie get ready Rock steady When Johnny strikes up the band Johnny strikes up the band When Johnny strikes up the ... When Johnny strikes up the ... When Johnny strikes up the band And Johnny is my main man (do I really need to explain this one?) He's the keeper of the keys (ditto) He'll put your mind at ease He's guaranteed to please (guaranteed means it's a sure thing) Back by popular demand Look around, my little friend Jubilation in the land (from same Latin root as French word, to play have great fun) Freddie get ready Rock steady When Johnny strikes up the band Johnny strikes up the band When Johnny strikes up the ... When Johnny strikes up the ... When Johnny strikes up the band Je ne parle pas francais, mais ma pere est Canadian et je parle francais dans l'ecole. Comprender mon frere? Je vous aime, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1458 From: (Rick Audette) Subject: Re: Photo Album Name Hey, I did tell you all, a while back, that we should decide on what we will be called, before the public comes up with their own name for us. I've heard several ideas, but "Keysters" seems to be catching on. It's not the same spelling as the one meaning "back-side", but I think it's cool that we use this diminutive, instead of some self-righteous sounding name, meant to make us look like the one true church of the Elect. Anybody got a better name? Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1459 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: 666 Hi Kyle, I assumed that the 6 traditionally representing man was tripled to represent his enormous creative power just as there is a threefold power in the creator himself - the Father, Son, Holy Spirit; World of Emanation, World of Creation, World of Formation; or however one wants to express it. One projects from itself to make two, from one and two, three is born - or God 1) moves on the waters 2) to create 3) This creative power is what makes man so great - and also his greatest Achilles heel. The triple six portrays this 'falling short of perfection' just as I would expect that the next level - 777- would be perfection. But having said that, I wouldn't put money on it being the right answer :)) Love Glenys Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1460 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: I C Q help? LeLona, I think that your using win3.1 is where your problem lies. I think that ICQ and IM work best with win95. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-/1461 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: The Milgram Experiment J J Dewey wrote: "So what is the meaning of the 666?" If 6 is the number of a man and that number falls short of the perfect number 7, then 666 represents the imperfection of the beast and its blind authority. The beast is destroyed by opening the eyes of the blind and this is done by opening our eyes to the one authority, the Spirit of God within us. This would raise man to a 7 and allow him to rise above the beast which is represented by 666, thereby destroying the beast. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1462 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Photo Album Name I think of the name "Keysters", not in the same way as keisters (the backside one) but more like I would if I called Rick "the Rickster" (my apologies if this is too irreverant, Rick); a sort of fun way of adding onto a name and as Rick said, not a self-righteous one. We are in search of the Keys and their meaning. Keys: an unlocking device or a solution. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1463 From: (Rick Audette) Subject: Re: Photo Album Name "I think of the name "Keysters", not in the same way as keisters (the backside one) but more like I would if I called Rick "the Rickster" (my apologies if this is too irreverent, Rick)" No prob, I answer to many different names. You can call me anything you like, just don't call me late for dinner, or the gathering of the lights. Your friend, Rick Ricky Ricardo Richard Rit Rocky Frenchy Moonchild Shamahiem Dad Doc Beci Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1464 From: J J Dewey Subject: Frenchy? Rick, I'd like to know how you got the nickname Frenchy. By the way I was joking about the James Garner thing. Your face is much more interesting than his. JJ Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1465 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: How To Talk New Age - OFF TOPIC & LONG Here's some definitions to help you get along with New Agers :) Enjoy! A is for ACUPUNCTURE . ACUPUNCTURE is an ancient Chinese medical technique of healing people by sticking them with needles . Western doctors have recently discovered Acupuncture and find it similar to their more modern technique of sticking patients with large medical bills. Western doctors are now using Acupuncture to block the sensation of pain, while the Chinese use it to remove the causes of pain. Naturally such inscrutable Oriental purposes have no appeal to doctors or their accountants. A is for AKASHIC RECORDS The AKASHIC RECORDS are a great big VCR in the sky that records everything that ever happens, particularly about you. (Yes, even that time when you thought you were all alone in your room is there). The Akashic Records are sometimes confused with Santa Claus' files which, of course, tell him if you've been "naughty or nice." They are not the same. With Santa's records, you at least stand a 50% chance of getting goodies. The Akashic Records are Cosmically Impartial - no prezzies. A is for AURA AURAS are fields of energy around our bodies which most of us can't see. All genuine New Age people believe in Auras, although few can see them. Auras have different colors. You can tell how highly evolved people are by the color of their auras. However, there are so many different theories about Auras that people are confused about which colors are better than others, which of course is very important to New Age People. Everybody does agree that having any color of Aura is better than having none at all. Here is the final definitive, scientific rating of Aura colors: White Forget it. They're avoiding you. You wouldn't know one if it bit you. Violet Very, very high. If you see someone with a violet aura, try to ingratiate yourself. Blue Highly conscious, although somewhat pompous. Blue-Green Semi-conscious. Fun at parties. Green Reasonably conscious. Very healthy. Fond of plants. Yellow Average. Some hope for evolution, although unlikely to be interested in it. Orange Has moments of consciousness. Uninspired sexual partner. Red Passionate and quick tempered, but not very b-r-i-g-h-t. Brown Traditionally referred to as "robot-consciousness". Often successful in politics. California has produced two presidents like this. Black Unpleasant at best. Avoid them B is for BARDO BARDO is the Tibetan word for the place where we go after death and before rebirth (See REINCARNATION). Christians call this place Purgatory. It is a kind of Cosmic Waiting Room where souls hang out before their next assignment to a new physical body. Some people claim the Bardo is boring because there is nothing to do except be with yourself. Others say it is terrifying because there is nothing to do except be with yourself. They all agree it's not a lot of fun. The only cure is to get enlightened (See ENLIGHTENMENT) which evidently makes the Bardo easy to put up with. This, unfortunately, requires spiritual work in this lifetime, which is awfully inconvenient when there's so much good stuff on television. Of course all this weird, bizarre talk about the Bardo is probably total nonsense and we don't have to worry about it a bit. We hope. B is for BERMUDA TRIANGLE The BERMUDA TRIANGLE is a place in the Atlantic Ocean where things disappear a lot. Big things like boats and airplane squadrons . Little things like people. Some people think the Bermuda Triangle is where Atlantis used to be. They say an old Atlantean laser beam occasionally zaps things into oblivion. Others say it's an underwater UFO airport and that the UFO people like to collect visitors. Still others think it's a hole in reality that occasionally opens up so that things fall through into another universe. We have no idea what the Bermuda Triangle is, but then we're still trying to figure out the Patagonian Hexagon and the Wichita Square, and they're supposed to be simple. C is for CHANNELING. CHANNELING is what Channels do. A Channel is a person who does channeling. Is that clear? Let's try again. Suppose someone is dead (or at least highly-evolved and not in a body) and wants to talk to people who are still alive (or at least hanging out in a body). Okay, one more time. Suppose higher entities want to talk to us lower entities . They can't talk directly to most of us because our minds are too busy to listen. So they find someone whose mind isn't as active to act as a channel. This person channels information from the higher entity to us lower entities. Naturally the channel charges for this information, but that's only so the channel can continue to provide this valuable public service. Channeling is very popular these days. It seems the other dimensions are filled with entities with something to say. In fact, so many of us lower entities are becoming channels ourselves that soon we may all be channels. Everybody will talking and nobody will be listening. Guess that's what the New Age is all about. C is for CHRISTIANS CHRISTIANS are people who advocate the teachings of a man named Jesus Christ (See JESUS). Note: There are also people who actually follow these teachings as well, but nobody knows much about them. No one is quite sure if Christianity is "relevant" anymore. Many New Age People used to be Christians but moved on because they thought Christianity was too old-fashioned. For some reason older religions like Hinduism, Sufism, and Buddhism are considered more modern. They're certainly more fashionable. C is for CRYSTAL.S CRYSTALS are pretty rocks. They are considered to be better than other pretty rocks because they vibrate. Of course vibrators vibrate too. But they're used for different purposes. (Ouch. We hope so.) It used to be that you could buy pretty rocks like crystals for a few cents. Now they go for $10 and up. Way up. People use crystals to make contact with higher intelligences. People who pay that kind of money for rocks obviously need contact with higher intelligences. D is for DRUGS DRUGS are things which people put in their mouths, arms, or noses to feel different. People take them to wake up, go to sleep, liven up, calm down, see things, stop seeing things, feel better, or stop feeling at all. Others take them just to pass the time. Some Drugs are legal. They make lots of money for Tobacco and Liquor Companies. Other drugs are kind of legal. They make lots of money for Pharmaceutical Companies. Still other drugs aren't legal at all. They make lots of money for farmers, self-employed businessmen, politicians, bankers, and government and law enforcement agencies. No one knows if there will be Drugs in the New Age. We hope so. Otherwise, the New Age could be real tough to get through. E is for ENLIGHTENMENT. ENLIGHTENMENT is what all Genuine New Age People are after. Nobody really knows what it is, but everyone agrees it must be better than being unenlightened, which is what we've got now. People believe that if you are Enlightened you will never have any problems again. You will have all the money and things you need (although you won't care about them) and you can spend the rest of your life (or lives) just grooving with Nature and God. (See separate listings). There are, admittedly, some Spiritual Teachers who claim that after you become Enlightened your work has only just begun. They have few followers. F is for FIREWALKING. FIREWALKING is walking on hot coals in bare feet. Ouch! Yes, that's what we said. People pay to learn how to walk on hot coals so that they can learn to transcend the petty limitations of their beliefs. They believe that once they believe they can walk on hot coals they can believe anything. We believe that too. G is for GLOBAL VILLAGE In the New Age we will all live in a GLOBAL VILLAGE. This means that everybody will be connected with everybody else and that instead of having lots of little governments that nobody likes, we will have one big government which for some reason everybody is expected to like. When we have one big Global Village, everybody will be a Citizen of the World, and we won't need passports any more. According to some sources, a simple mark on the forehead will be sufficient. G is for GOD GOD is the One who started it all. Many people still carry a grudge about that. He is also the One who made all the rules. This upsets many people who would rather make their own rules. These people have decided that God doesn't exist. Fortunately for them, He hasn't done the same. Many New Age People want to find God, although they have a hard time explaining how they lost Him in the first place . According to most reports, God would not be easy to misplace. Perhaps people figure it's more fun to look for Him than to find Him. G is for GURU A GURU is a person who teaches you things. It has been said that everyone is your Guru. This of course implies that you are everyone else's Guru as well. Have you been shirking your responsibilities? You better get on with it. Being a Guru is a serious business. At least most of the better-known Gurus are serious about their business. Just ask their accountants. H is for HEALTH FOOD HEALTH FOOD is what all New Age People try to eat. Health Food makes Them radiant, clear-eyed, mucus-free, and regular. All official Health Food is organic, which means the guy who sells it claims it has no dirty-old chemical and artificial things in it. Health Food usually costs a bundle. Eating Health Food gives a New Age Person such a healthy, sensitive body that it absolutely freaks out if it takes in something unhealthy. Considering our environment, would you really like to have a body like that? I is for I CHING The I CHING is a very old Chinese book. People throw coins and then read in the I Ching what their future will be and what they should do about it. This is considered to be much more profound than flipping a coin. I is for INDIA INDIA is where all Genuine New Age People go to find Truth. India has the Truth because it is a very spiritual country. People in India are so spiritual, they even die spiritually. Millions of them every year. K is for KARMA. KARMA is what happens when you do something. If you do something nice, you get nice back. If you do something wicked, you're up a creek. Of course you may not get it until another lifetime, at which time you'll probably have forgotten how it started and ask "Why me?" Karma is a Cosmic Law. That means you can ignore it all you want but there's no way you can get away from it. But keep on trying if you like. It passes the time. K is for KUNDALINI. KUNDALINI is a serpent of energy curled up at the base of the spine which rises when one meditates on it. When one gets really good at it, the Kundalini comes all the way up the spine, frazzles the brain, and leaps out the top. This is considered very desirable by people who practice Kundalini. Lots of people practicing Kundalini have been so successful that they are now living in nice, quiet places where they can be with others like themselves. (See LSD). L is for LEVITATION. LEVITATION means defying the law of gravity and floating above the ground. There are now people who will teach you how to levitate. Apparently the method involves relieving yourself of certain unessential encumbrances (tens, twenties, fifties) thereby lightening your essential self. Levitation, incidentally, is how the Egyptians built their pyramids (See PYRAMIDS). People often wonder how they carried those big stones up the steps of half-finished pyramids. They didn't. They built them from the top down. L is for LOVE. LOVE is what the New Age is all about. True New Age People love everyone. You can tell this because they smile very sweetly, speak in soft, gentle voices, radiate total acceptance, and forgive you immediately for all your faults. If you enjoy this sort of Pure Saintly Behavior you are a New Age Person and deserve to be around it. However, if Pure Saintly Behavior drives you up a wall, and your idea of Love is a little more lively than that, we suggest you look elsewhere for companionship. After all, there are still a few good years of pre-New Age left to enjoy. M is for MAHARISHI. MAHARISHI is the nice man who is in charge of Transcendental Meditation (See TM). He loves flowers, perfume, incense, and little children. He is a very popular man who can often be seen on TV talk shows. Maharishi is almost like Mom and Apple Pie, and we think we better not say any more here before we check with our lawyers. N is for NUMEROLOGY. NUMEROLOGY is the science of Numbers. No, it's not like Arithmetic. That is a different kind of science. Numerology is about the meaning of numbers. Each number from 1 to 9 has a special meaning. Your name has its own special number. If you add up all its letters (A=1, B=2, and so on), you'll get a number that tells you your life's path. If you don't like that particular path, you can change your name and get a new one that gives you a better path. You don't think Arnold Schwarzenegger was born with that name, do you? O is for OM OM is a New Age Word. In fact, it is a Very New Age Word. When someone chants Om, that person becomes One With The Universe. Because it is a very powerful word, you should not repeat Om more than 1728 times at one sitting. If you do, you might become so One With The Universe that you will never....ever....come...back. You've been warned. P is for POWER SPOTS POWER SPOTS are places on the planet that have extra special energy. New Age people are fascinated by Power Spots because New Age people think energy is, like, wow. Power Spots include places like Stonehenge, the Great Pyramid, Machu Picchu, Mt. Shasta, and Shirley MacLaine's birthplace. New Age People are convinced that Power Spots are directly connected with: 1) Ancient civilizations 2) Secret societies 3) Flying saucers, and 4) Planetary Chakras (See CHAKRAS). New Age People like to visit Power Spots because they consider them places for 1) Great Meditation 2) Great Sex 3) Great Shopping, and 4) Great Meditative Sex. Power Spots are not places like the White House, the Kremlin, Wall Street, Hollywood, and your neighbor nuclear plant. New Age People consider those places to be low energy spots. What do you think? Which kinds of places do you think have the most power? Q is for QUAKE. QUAKE is short for Earthquake, or as they say in California, "The Big One." When the Quake happens, California will go splash, a fairly noticeable sign that the New Age is on its way, with some minor inconveniences in between - like war, famine, pestilence, volcanic eruptions, and a Shortage of good Chardonnay. As Californians all think they already live in the New Age, they don't exactly see the Quake as an improvement. But it sounds so exciting none of them want to miss it. It's unlikely many of them will. R is for REINCARNATION. REINCARNATION means that after we die we come back in a new body for another lifetime, then we die, then we come back again and so on, over and over. All these bodies are human bodies. Some people think Reincarnation means coming back as an animal. That is called Transmigration and is very, very unusual. It will happen only if you Really Screw Up. As long as you don't commit the One Cardinal Sin, you'll be all right. (You're not committing it, are you?) Supposedly we keep reincarnating until we learn our lessons, whatever they may be. Since most of us are a little slow at catching on to things, we've been doing this for millions of years. This is called being on the Wheel of Karma. Some people think Reincarnation is a great excuse for waiting till the next lifetime to do anything. Others, who have gotten bored with the whole thing, figure they'd just as soon get off the Wheel of Karma now. They might not be in such a hurry if they knew what the next Wheel is like. S is for SATAN, SATAN is also known as the Devil. He is an evil-looking fellow with horns, forked tail, and bad breath. Satan has been playing against God (See GOD) for a long time now, trying to take over control of the Universe. Of course God made up the game in the first place, so he's not too concerned about the outcome. The pieces God and Satan play with are called People. Many of these pieces enjoy telling each other that as soon as Satan loses, the New Age will begin. Oh yeah. Who are they trying to kid? As soon as anybody loses, the game is over. Then all the pieces go back in the box. S is for SCIENTOLOGY SCIENTOLOGY is........one moment, please. There is someone knocking at the door . We will be right back................................................ Here we are again. Sorry, but after talking to that very persuasive, very large person at the door we have decided that we will leave the subject of Scientology and find something else to talk about. S is for SEX SEX is...well, you probably already have a rough idea what sex is. Although New Age People think sex is more than you think it is. (See TANTRA). It is unclear if there will be any Sex in the New Age. Some people think we will transcend all that nasty physical stuff. Other people, who still think that nasty physical stuff is a lot of fun, hope it will just get better and aren't much interested in the New Age without it. Come to think of it, how long do you think the New Age would last without it? S is for SHIRLEY MACLAINE SHIRLEY MACLAINE is a New Age Person. Shirley discovered that there are other realities. In one of these realities she is a teacher who fills huge auditoriums with people willing to pay much money to learn how to become a New Age Person. In that same reality she also sells New Age Books, sells New Age TV programs, and is starting a center where she can sell New Age courses. Shirley thinks reality is pretty neat. At least the one she's in. Yours may be different. T is for TANTRA. TANTRA is a special kind of sex (See SEX) which is done for spiritual reasons. It naturally appeals to Americans, who have all been brought up believing that Sex is dirty. With Tantra we can all fuck ourselves to Higher Consciousness. God is good. T is for THIRD EYE. The THIRD EYE is the one in the middle of your forehead which you might not have noticed yet, but which all New Age People want to open. They figure if they can see two dimensions with one eye, and three dimensions with two eyes, just imagine what they might see with three eyes! One supposed method of opening the Third Eye is by drilling a hole in the forehead. This has not been a popular technique. Another way is through meditation (See MEDITATION). Still another way is to say nice things to it and coax it open. Once you get your Third Eye open, we'll tell you about Cleaning the Third Ear. W is for WHOLE EARTH WHOLE EARTH means the entire planet on which we live. The symbol of the Whole Earth is a picture of the Earth taken from space. It shows a beautiful blue-green gem shining in the black void of space. Unfortunately that jewel in space is covered with a lot of people who believe in Part Earth. And they generally think their part is better than the other parts. Whole Earth People tend to think the whole thing is pretty nice. And that there's really no way to divide the thing into parts anyhow. Well, there is one way. But it's unlikely anybody would be able to put it back together again. We think Whole Earth is a pretty good idea. Y is for YIN/YANG YIN/YANG is an ancient Oriental concept. Because it is very ancient, it is automatically considered to be very profound by New Age People. There's nothing like ancient wisdom to impress the hell out of New Age People, and Yin/Yang is about as ancient as wisdom can get. Yin/Yang means that everything has its opposite within it. Every Yin has a little Yang inside, and every Yang contains a little Yin. What this means to New Age People is that everything that seems one way is really kind of the other way too. And that opposites aren't really opposed because in some way they're already like their opposition. Therefore, since nothing is really what it seems -- and generally more like what it doesn't seem -- there's not much sense in worrying about anything because it's not what we thought it was anyhow. Don't you find this ancient wisdom reassuring? We'll bet your life's starting to feel enriched already. Z is for ZEN. ZEN is everything. It is the indefinable made manifest. (Or is it the manifest made indefinable? Zen can be very confusing.) Anyway, in addition to being everything, Zen is also nothing. Therefore it is not necessary to do Zen. Nevertheless, there are special places called Zen monasteries where people do Zen, which of course they were already doing even when they weren't doing Zen. If all this makes sense to you, you are a True New Age Person, and might as well give this book to a friend. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1466 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Six I've been reading some more on numbers and their meanings and found an interesting perspective on Six. Without going into too much irrelevant detail, in terms of the creative principle, numbers can represent the following: 000: All/Nothing 00: All Is All 0: All Is Light 1: I Am All 2: I Am I 3: Distinction 4: Dimension 5: Form 6: Choice 7: Affirmation 8: Negation 9: Reconciliation 10: Substance The sixth point, which is outside the pyramid (formed by five), gives birth to the earliest of moral dimensions - those above the level of time and space. It showed the possibility of choice. God (or man) might look at the pyramid from the outside or the inside, which are very different points of view, and must choose one or the other alternative. This reminded me of the first Key - Decision. Perhaps the 666 reminds us that man in his creative potential represents Decision - for better or for worse. And Nine represents the point where all Decisions (choices) are reconciled. Love Glenys (who's fast becoming brain dead once again) Post No. keys-l: /1998-5012-14/1467 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Photo Album Name Phew! Thanks for not taking it in a "bad" way for it was not my intention to be mean in any way. I have a cat named Tuxedo and for short I call him Tux and many times I call him the Tuxster so my intentions were not injurious. It's just sort of a fun way to add to a name without being formal. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1468 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: How To Talk New Age - OFF TOPIC & LONG Glenys, This was loads of fun to read. Thanks for sending it to the list. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-512-151469 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Mysteries of the Universe/2nd web page JJ wrote: "Time to lighten up. An interesting point here is that one of the main differences between the Brotherhood of Light and the Dark Brothers is that the Lights have a good sense of humor and the Dark ones take themselves much much too seriously." "As an example look at Winston Churchill who was the main representative of the Brotherhood during World War II. He is often quoted because of his humor. Then too Abraham Lincoln was well known for his humorous anecdotes, but who can recall a funny thing Hitler said?" Hey, really enjoyed these JJ! You're a man of multiple talent, thank you for sharing! :) Yes, I too believe 'lightness' of the heart shows in the good sense of humour among Brothers and Sisters of Light :) Paradoxically, sometimes when I just go waaaayy over the top, I have expressed what's on my face as a devilish grin :D But I still consider myself a pretty good dude, strolling on The light path full of rainbow colors :) Now that the Keysters (more comment on that later :) Photo Album is up, I had a second idea. The album is still under construction just as it should be, as I am adding more pics as I receive them. I was thinking about the wealth of information and food for thought that JJ's postings are full of, and how it can be somewhat cumbersome for people who have recently joined to find all the right posts in the archive to catch up with the discussion that's currently going on. So, since I think I have all JJ's mails saved, what I could do is collect them all on a page in the chronological order they were sent. This would provide us 'older Key persons' something where we could go back and see how what we have been discussing of has advanced and gone from one step to the next, I think it would help us get a clearer picture of the whole here. JJ, how does this sound to you? What does everybody think of this? It would probably take me a few weeks before I had time to finish it, but doing it would absolutely be no problemo. Hmmm, good compiled reading for your Christmas holidays...? :) Wanting to offer help and clarity to my fellow Seekers, your buddy, Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1470 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Keysters Family Photo Album "Hey dude! My name is spelled "Brian Weis"..not "Brian Wise". (That makes by screenname an anagram of my real name!) Nice job!!!!!!! : )" Thanks, and sorry for the mistake :) I knew I was gonna add some human error in there somewhere, but I would remain unaware of it myself until someone pointed it out for me. Thanks for leading me back to the path to perfection! :D (Becoming becoming becoming, I am forevermore :) And now that we have learned that besides hand mudras there are an infinite number of ways to express how you feel, I just say B, duuuuuuuuuude!!! Thanks man!! :D Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1471 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Johnny strikes up the band Rick wrote: "Remember me talking about that song that reminded me of the Keys members? I was in the music store today and found a copy on CD. So, I got it and made a wave file and sent it to the web." "The URL is: http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/johnny.wav" "It will take several minutes to load so be patient. Hey, maybe Samu can use it for background music on the family photo page." Rick, that is such a cool song, thanks for sharing! When I heard of this song I was wondering where I could get a copy, I knew I have never heard it before... and here it is! :) Thanks also for the lyrics Rick :) Yes, using it for bg music is no bad idea... I have never done that before, but I am sure if I surfed the web and learned how 'the big boys' have done it, it probably isn't hard at all. I never use any html editors for the baby html I write, and everything I do I have learned from seeing how others have done it. There's a lot to learn in this world and many teachers offering info if you keep your eyes open and are willing to learn :) What concerns me here though is the size of the wav file, 1.8 mb. It is very obvious I can't put the whole song up on the page without having all the traffic to the site totally jammed. And my experience is people do not like let-ups, not even on the information super highway :) I mean it's much too much too much too big of a file. And did I mention it's no small one either? :D Well, I could possibly do a loop of a part of it and go from there. Kyle, since you're a web designer, any good suggestions what the best and most convenient way of putting this together would be? Feeling like singing, Samu :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1472 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: The Milgram Experiment John wrote: "And I can only imagine the story behind the scenes. I can just hear the priests saying, "hey, this is pretty crazy. Who's crazy enough to go along with this?" To which God replied, "Send the musicians, they'll do it. They'll do anything". (Last two quotes are my own. Please don't try to reference them)" I feel very tempted to, John :) I really enjoyed your story. Thanks! Btw, I play guitar, write some songs and I just loooove music :) "To this I say that we are all the "Musicians of God". I so agree with this. Time to fine tune and play those divine instruments We All Are!!! Now really singing, along with Johnny Strikes up the Band J Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1473 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: 666 Kyle wrote: "Thnx for the posting of the totem, Samu. I didn't know you'd find it that fast. Cool." "Considering that the address you posted is my school address and I will be unable to check it when the summer comes maybe it would be possible to change is to spirit_messenger@hotmail.com Thnx and Blessed Be Kyle k" I most certainly will :) Yeah, when I'm in that certain mood, I waste no time and usually find what I'm looking for pretty fast :) If you later have another pic you wanna share, just let me know and it is already done, ok? Thanks and many blessings right back at ya, Samu Ps. If anybody notices there are misspellings or wrong e addresses or if you just have suggestions regarding the page, you have my address :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1474 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: The Milgram Experiment Diane wrote: "If 6 is the number of a man and that number falls short of the perfect number 7, then 666 represents the imperfection of the beast and it's blind authority. The beast is destroyed by opening the eyes of the blind and this is done by opening our eyes to the one authority, the Spirit of God within us. This would raise man to a 7 and allow him to rise above the beast which is represented by 666, thereby destroying the beast." I do agree with you Diane, but would also like to voice my lil opinion of thought :) I try to be very careful of using the word perfect these days, but in a way the beast is perfect too. It is all relative. The beast is perfect for our eternal becoming process towards perfection because of this polarity we are able to choose the direction for ourselves, and release and bring out the endless potential within. The blind authority of course is a loss, but overcoming it is the greatest victory. This divine coin has 2 just as important sides, it's just that the one is turned to the Great Immortal Sun. I am wondering if it is possible to fully destroy the beast for good... Isn't the opponent needed to play this game? No fun playing all alone, ya know, because there is nobody to beat :) I hope you understand the light tone of my words and mind, I am not trying to shock or upset you here. Or is it so, that after a certain level you're no longer within the field of influence of the beast, and there is then something else you can 'relate to' that makes your growth possible? Because I do not believe that the progress of the upward spiral would ever cease to exist. It simply makes no sense to me. Thanks for letting me share, Samuel Peter Carson, yep :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1475 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Photo Album Name/New Pics Belle wrote: "I'm surprised someone hasn't said something about the word "Keyster". Maybe I'm showing my age, but I remember the word being slang for the butt, the behind, the daryaire. Maybe that was just the lingo of the crowd I was roaming with at the time, but if no one else knows that's the slang then I'll drop it. Just "Our Family Photo Album" would be finner with me." "Now that you mention it.... That's a term I'm familiar with too... Like "Get your keyster off the couch and help with the dishes!" It may be spelled a different way, but that's how it sounds.." I am glad this subject came up, because I didn't mean to choose a name for our group of people. Like Rick wrote, he was asking earlier for a name suggestion for our Family and one of his own ideas was Keysters, and I immediately grooved with that name, and since nobody said anything else I chose to call the Photo album page 'Keysters Family Photo Album'. About any butt-relations in the word Keysters I unaware would be, because no native English speaker am I, as trying with this sentence you to guarantee :D :D I knew nothing about any other meanings and just liked the way that word 'tasted' in my mouth. I mean, the word itself, not the side meanings.... Errr... Ok Samu, these people are following you no more :) But really, if we come up with something else to call ourselves and agree on this name, I will change the name of my page. No let me rephrase that one, of *our* page. "I've had several more requests to see a real image of me and there is sometimes a problem with the Mac/PC thing, so I think I'll ask Samu if he could put up a photo for just a few days then take it off.. How does that sound? That way the folks who are already here will have a chance to view it and then I'll get my wish to go back to the more fantasy like version.. Is that OK with you, Samu?? I know you are pretty busy." Yes I am, but darn I just couldn't help myself and I did it anyway :) I added your pic Belle, Sharon's and made a few other minor changes and additions in some of the text. The address still is and always will be: http://www.dlc.fi/~samu3/KeystersPhotoAlbum.html Go check it out, please :) Samu Ps. I get quite a load of mail everyday and my mailbox is not too tidy at the moment, so if you have sent a pic or a comment directly to me and I haven't replied or done anything about, yes give me a SAMUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!! yell in the subject line and maybe I will come back to my senses and be a good observing buddy again. So far, I think I've done quite good :) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1476 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Numbers of the beast OK, we all know that 666 is the Number of the Beast. But did you know that: 660 - Approximate number of the Beast DCLXVI - Roman numeral of the Beast 666.0000 - Number of the High Precision Beast 0.666 - Number of the Millibeast / 666 - Beast Common Denominator 666 ^ (-1) - Imaginary number of the Beast 1010011010 - Binary of the Beast 6, uh... what was that number again? - Number of the Blonde Beast 1-666 -Area code of the Beast 00666 - Zip code of the Beast 1-900-666-0666: - Live Beasts! One-on-one pacts! Call Now! Only $6.66/minute. Over 18 only please. $665.95 - Retail price of the Beast $699.25 - Price of the Beast plus 5% state sales tax $769.95 - Price of the Beast with all accessories and replacement soul $656.66 - Walmart price of the Beast $646.66 - Next week's Walmart price of the Beast Phillips 666 - Gasoline of the Beast Route 666 - Way of the Beast 666 F - Oven temperature for roast Beast 666k - Retirement plan of the Beast 666 mg - Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement of Beast 6.66 % - 5 year CD interest rate at First Beast of Hell National Bank, $666 minimum deposit. Lotus 6-6-6 - Spreadsheet of the Beast Word 6.66 - Word Processor of the Beast i66686 - CPU of the Beast 666i - BMW of the Beast 668 - Next-door neighbor of the Beast -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "There is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive, it isn't!" Richard Bach List Archive keys-l: /1998-12-14/1477 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: The Milgram Experiment You are so right Samu. That's what I get for trying to write something in the middle of the night and not re-reading it carefully enough before sending it. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1478 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: 666 JJ Dewey writes: "...Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." "So what is the meaning of the 666" In The Immortal, Book I, John said (on page 77), "...A true seeker must be part Spock, part Captain Kirk, with a dash of Bones." As difficult as the search is for the true meaning of "666", I suggest adding a "pinch" of Indiana Jones also. Since I have never connected with the idea of Numerology, my search did no go in that direction. No offense is intended here. There have been some fine postings concerning 666 using Numerology - maybe someday I will jump the fence over to your side. My first impression of the answer to the 666 question was that it's true meaning was somehow lost to history. That would be the easy way to explain it, but since I always seem to do things the hard way, here we go. The Strong's Concordance shows the Greek letters/numerals for six hundred threescore and six as: chi (which equals 600), xi (which equals 60), and stigma (which equals 6). So we have "chi xi stigma" in the Greek to equal six hundred threescore and six. Strong's also mentions that "stigma" has another definition: "from the prim. STIZO (to "stick", i.e. prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), i.e. (fig.) scar of service: - mark." Hang on gang, the ride gets a little bumpy from here. The Greeks, like us, used a decimal system but, unlike us, they did not use a zero number. Therefore, more symbols were needed than just the nine (plus zero) which we use. To represent the numbers up to our 999, they needed 27 different symbols: nine for the units 1, 2, ..,9; nine for the tens, 10, 20, ..., 90; and still another nine for the hundreds, 100, 200, ..., 900. For symbols they used the letters of the Greek alphabet. They needed 27 symbols to cover numbers up to 999, but the Greek alphabet contained only 24 letters. To fill in the missing three, they used old obsolete letters from previous alphabets and, somewhat confusingly, these were interspersed with the regular letters. (see table below) TABLE OF NUMERICAL VALUES OF GREEK LETTERS 1 alpha 10 iota 100 rho 2 beta 20 kappa 200 sigma 3 gamma 30 lambda 300 tau 4 delta 40 mu 400 upsilon 5 epsilon 50 nu 500 phi 6 [digamma] 60 xi 600 chi 7 zeta 70 omicron 700 psi 8 eta 80 pi 800 omega 9 theta 90 [koppa] 900 [sampi] Note the obsolete letters in brackets in the above table: digamma for 6, koppa for 90, and sampi for 900. The digamma at 6 also became known as stigma ( how this came about I have no clue). One explanation says that digamma became known as stigma because the form of writing it looked like the ligature (writing together) of the two Greek letters sigma and tau, roughly corresponding to our s and t. (???) I think it was Glenys that mentioned something about geometry (six equalateral triangles within a circle) in one of her posts. It may be interesting to note that when the Greek 666 is transliterated into Roman letters, it comes out as: " hexakosioi hexe: konta hex". As can be seen from the transliteration, they all begin with "hex", which is the Greek prefix which comes into English in such words as hexagon and hexamter. Hmmm, I wonder if 666 could have something to do with geometry, maybe Sacred Geometry? One last point of interest is that here in the West, we received our numeral system from the Arabs (Arabic numerals) through Spain. The Arabs in turn had obtained them from India. The earliest introduction of these numerals into Spain seems to be at the end of the first millennium AD, but it was well into the second millennium before they took control. Until then, i.e. well into the Middle Ages, Roman numerals were the standard method until eventually displaced by our current decimal, place-value system. Garrett Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1479 From: "peregrine falcon" Subject: Re: Six I think you might have something there. That's really cool, 6 being choice. I thought to myself, 666, choice-choice-choice Which to me equals confusion and if one has confusion then there is no clear thought on what is right, but instead a sort of blind authority or guess, not an educated guess, just a guess. Blessed Be Kyle k PS- lots of ya'll have put quotes below your writings so I have one for you... "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." - Merlin Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1480 From: Rick Audette Subject: More Revisions Hi All, Well, I'm still revising and adding to my web page. I've added a picture of the 3D world atlas coloring book, that I designed, based on Ley lines, a drawing of a pixi, meditating, drawn in Studio Max, a sculpture that I carved, and gave to one of the keysters, a picture of my daughter, and a chart showing a type phonetic type font I designed. That URL again is: http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/ When you go, you might have to tell your browser to reload, to get the latest revision. Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1481 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Greeks, Arabs and Numbers Garrett, I loved your thoughts on the 666. It's great to get a different perspective on the puzzle. I see you've dug out your Strong's Concordance to keep up with JJ :) I'm still hunting for mine - I think I'll have to lay my hands on another copy somehow so I can keep up with all you Greek scholars. Speaking of the Greeks, I'm starting to understand why their Empire crumbled - it was their complicated numbering system. Thank heavens we got ours from the Arabs! :) Thanks for the info. Love Glenys "I'm living so far beyond my income that we may almost be said to be living apart." - e e cummings (1894-1962) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1482 From: Dave Curtis Subject: Interesting thought. While reading JJ's comment on the experiments done on authority, a thought occurred to me. How many of us, in this group, are only agreeing with JJ just because the rest of the group is? How many of us have questions or concerns we'd like addressed, but haven't for fear of 'rocking the boat'? Is the beast ever present, even in this group? Honestly, so far, I have no questions or concerns. I'm more willing than most to accept new ideas. Otherwise I would not be here with the rest of you. Since joining this group and reading The Immortal, many of my previously held beliefs had been re-written One of the biggest ones is the belief in 'the Adversary'. I never used to believe in Satan. (The adversary, devil, evil one, whatever..) Now I realize that my ignorance only allowed him better control. Anyway, back to the point. It seems that JJ has done the best he can to encourage those with concerns to speak up. Why? So they don't allow themselves to be controlled by the beast, just because most of us believe one way. Which is why I now understand his unbending patience during the whole 'Jesus is perfect' issue. Another wonderful thing to think about. =) -- Peace and Love, Dave Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1483 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: 666 Actually i can answer that one: the electron is called negative because of a beasty authority trick!! A friend of mine builds ionizers (with sacred geometry, pyramid-shaped, crystals, gold, bee stuff, all the thing!) and he told me the story: "When the electron was first discovered, there was no way to know if it was plus or minus. The scientists crowd chose minus. Then a few years ago, another experimentation proved the electron was indeed a positive charge. Guess what happened? The authorities couldn't bear the humiliation, and twisted the model in order to go on calling the electron negative." Now an evidence of this: negative ions is what supports life, because they have a free charge more than plain atoms. These free electrons are what make all body exchanges possible. See you keysters!! Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1484 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Re: 666 I could add something more to my last post. The nucleus is like matter, negative, dense, attracting the electron that is like spirit, positive and free. electron has no mass, only a charge. It's just an energy unit. Nucleus is a brick, it has mass, and it builds up in how many? 72 kinds of atoms?? A bit off-topic but fun. That 666 thing is frightening: way too high to find at first sight. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1485 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Strong's Concordance Glenys, May I ask where I could get one of these concordances? What exactly do they do? Forgive my ignorance but I have not been exactly into studying the Bible before and may need a tad of help once in awhile. Thanks Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1486 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Strong's Concordance Hi Diane, A Concordance is an alphabetical index of the principal words in a book or the works of an author with their immediate contexts. They can cover any subject but the best known biblical concordance is a publication known as Strong's Concordance (see Amazon Books: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/generic-quicksearch-query/002-7003606-2826841 for details) It's best features are the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic dictionaries which help one gain an understanding of the original meaning. Hope this helps. Love Glenys Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1487 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Strong's Concordance Hi Glenys, It helps a LOT. Thanks so much. I'll call around to book stores in town and see what they have. I really appreciate your help. love, diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1488 From: Rick Audette Subject: The Gospel of Thomas (no doubt) Wrote this song about 15 years ago. Thumpers hate it. Somehow, I always felt JC had a sense of humor and didn't mind. One day a friend of mine was telling me about some gnostic literature, he was reading, called the Gospel of Thomas. The account given made Jesus seem much more human than those given in the present day Bible. I told him the story might make a humorous folk song and went straight to work on it. This is what I wrote: "The Gospel of Thomas (no doubt)" There were more than four Apostles That wrote gospels in their day It seems that Thomas wrote some books That got in the church's way. O' Tommy got labeled gnostic And got kicked out of the game Tho the stories, that he wrote for us, Are valid all the same. One day, when they were hangin' out And Thomas was at hand Some Disciples were complaining To the leader of the band Now Mary, that ex-call girl You've heard so much about Had given her heart to Jesus And they were makin' out. Oh, if I was Jesus, You know what I would do I'd save the world from all its' sins Wouldn't that be cool? But after a hard day of Savior work To myself I would attend And whisper sweet commandments To my favorite number ten. Pretty girls can't help but sin The boys make such demands So I bless 'em and forgive 'em And they fall into my hands Don't need fancy wheels or clothes To get myself a date Just take them for a quiet stroll On top of any lake Maybe I'm the son of God But Gods need lovin' too If I'm the so called perfect man Limp wristed just won't do Magdalena, it's O.K. if you spend the night The neighbors won't be throwin' stones Believe ME, it's alright. Oh, If I was Jesus you know what I would do... Moonchild Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1489 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Defining terms Merci beaucoup Rick c'tait tres gentil de ta part. That's a nice way to give several meanings of the same word. it sounds pretty familiar that way, and the song really matches our story, and even gives clues of about the present I found! Kind of makes me realize what's happening and tells me to get envolved. But it's a feeling I have with many of your words, it must be one of your best qualities: friendly loving invitation. no wonder you're in charge! Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1490 From: "xavier" Subject: Re : Numbers of the beast Glenys you're so funny! the one about new age and this one are a great laugh!! ---------- Glenys said: "OK, we all know that 666 is the Number of the Beast. But did you know that:" Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1491 From: "Donovan D'Souza" Subject: Re: 666 "I have always wondered if the number itself is correct (666) Six Hundred threescore (600x60) and six would be 36000 6. As the phrase does not say Six Hundred and threescore" Sometimes I have a tendency the "think outside the box" I would be interested in what the Greeks would have in their alphabet for 36006 Garrett can you put it together? M Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-14/1492 From: "Lisa Folk" Subject: Pictures/website and things Hi gang. I was waiting for JJ to give an opinion on the idea but I just could not stop adding to it. I am in the process of setting up a website for the keysters. The main feature will be the archive. This will have all the past postings without the re>stuff. I will also remove irrelevant stuff such as "my browser don't work". I hope to organize it according to the teachings from JJ. Each one will be a topic and the posts will be listed under there. I have also setup the ability to search the site, so that should help us to find something. I hope to setup a discussion there as well for casual conversations, getting to know you, sharing ideas etc, but that might take time. There is a place for JJ's travel schedule when it becomes available. There is also a page for members. This has space for Bio's, Email address, (website if you have one) occupation and picture. If you'd like to be there email me with the details. The address is http://www.naturalfolks.com/keys/ Check it out and give me your opinion. Please remember I just started this today. More to come! Your Friend Lisa Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1493 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: The Milgram Experiment J J Dewey wrote: "Thus we have a great example of the true mark of the beast on the right hand - the willingness to follow blind authority no matter what the consequences. So what is the meaning of the 666?" The meaning of the 666 is that a person is under the blind authority of the beast. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1494 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Interesting thought. Dave and All, I was a member of an intentional community in the '70's. During the first few years, There was a great stress present that nobody could define. Many fine people left the group or got their minds messed up by staying. The reason? Everybody assumed that they were in the company of saints. When they were all gathered, few were willing to let others see their real selves. One had to pretend to be more perfect then they really were. Nobody asked questions, if they thought they might be barking up the wrong tree. And, nobody would dare have a theory, if they thought it might not fit the ideas of the founder. Many people joined, but all the coolest ones left. Now, 30 years later, the group is still around, but it hasn't grown any bigger or had any effect on improving the world. They are still just like they were, when I first met them. It took me a lifetime to discover and accept who and what I am and then began to grow from there. Those that get close know that I don't hide behind a facade and don't tolerate phonies. Anybody that wants to grow in oneness and learning, with the rest of the seekers on the Keys list, pay heed to this message. Come out of your shell and be real with us. We will accept you and can't help but love you all the more for knowing you better. We will discuss any theories you may have, and each shall profit by the exchange. If you have childhood traumas, that keep you in a prison of pain, we will heal you. If your trusts have been betrayed, in the past, we will show you that we can be trusted. If you are not ready to come out to all of us yet, then pick one or two of our frequent contributors, that say things that ring true to you, and strike up a conversation, off-list. You'll warm up to the buddy system here in no time. Those that have gotten actively involved here can tell you what intense joy they have discovered in the process and how that joy keeps growing stronger, every day. Don't take my word for it, I'm sure you'll find many that can explain it better than I can. I'm not psychic or a prophet, but I can tell you that what I am saying WILL come true, if you just open up and let it happen. Come on all you wallflowers. Turn on the lights, tune-up your instruments and let's JAM. Testing 1-2-3, is this thing on, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1495 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Pictures/website and things Hi Lisa What a great job you have done. Give yourself a hug! In my view there can never be too many sites dedicated to the books and Keysters. With Samu in Finland and Rick in the US and now you in Canada, it sure looks like we're heading for a world-wide operation. I guess we colonials in the Antipodes should think about doing something similar, if only to hold up our end of cyberspace :) Thank you for providing this wonderful service, Lisa. Love Glenys Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1496 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Strong's Concordance I have seen, and used to have CD roms that contain several translations of the Bible plus Strong's Concordance plus Greek and Aramaic dictionaries, all in one package, for less than the cost of one book. Check out places that sell software and I'm sure you'll find it. It's pretty handy to have it all just a mouse click away. I've been keeping my eyes open for one and I'll let y'all know if I find a good one. Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1497 From: Rick Audette Subject: Lisa's new web page Lisa, Great job on the new web page. I'll be sure to add a link to your page, on mine, next chance I get. Keep up the good work. Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1498 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Re : Defining terms "friendly loving invitation. no wonder you're in charge!" No no no, I am not in charge, I am only in LOVE. The Holy Spirit is in charge. I am only one petite conduit. "We thank you Father that you are in us and we are in you; that through us Your Will is sent forth on wings of power,....." Your servant, Rick Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1499 From: BETTY NOREM Subject: WHAT IF........? WHAT IF........? I asked God to take away my pride. God said "No, It is not for me to take away, but for you to give it up." I asked God to make my handicapped child whole. God said "No, Her spirit is whole, her body is only temporary." I asked God to grant me patience. God said "No, Patience is a by-product of tribulations; it isn't granted, it is earned." I asked God to give me happiness. God said "No, I give you blessings, happiness is up to you." I asked God to spare me pain. God said "No, Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares and brings you closer to me." I asked God to make my spirit grow. God said "No, You must grow on your own, but I will prune you to make you fruitful." I asked for all things that I might enjoy life. God said "No, I will give you life so that you may enjoy all things." I ask God to help me LOVE others, as much as he loves me. God said... "Ahhhh, finally you have the idea!" Love, Blessings and Merry Christmas to All, Betty Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1500 From: "Xavier" Subject: purpose JJ uttered once in a dream: "Putting religion aside you have to admire these followers of Christ who gave their lives to defy the beast. Their lives were not in vain, for they paved the way to the wounding of the beast. Now finally we are in a point in time and space where the whole beast will be destroyed, but before we can destroy such an enemy we must know and understand what it is and how it functions." "That last sentence is a well known feeling, as if I/we had struggled all our life/lives with all our abilities and heart to get rid of that slavery. I'm sure it sounds familiar to you too keysters! (i like the name) as if we had planned to do it all the time. I somehow know i have to make it. and I feel I bore this purpose all my life. I also feel unable most of the time, and at the same time my faith is unchanged. love you all." Why am I so good at figuring things out? and able to feel others feelings? yet at the same time feeling so weak? it's an old battle isn't it? i sure would love your feedbacks there brothers and sisters! do you feel the same, or related? what did we do in Christ's years? and temple ones? aaaaaarrrgh when we'll get back to shamballah!!!! or am I not such a lightbearing one??? Let's get back to jokes-mode, this one is too nostalgic to bear at times!! I had a few posts on that mode days ago i hope you liked them too. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1501 From: "xavier" Subject: trouble connecting,hang on! hey it's ME!!! ;;)) Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1502 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Pictures/website and things Hi Lisa and All, :) It's interesting how cool expanding connecting ideas come in great big waves, and then you get synchronous events :) Checked out your page and you have a beautiful foundation to build up on! Keep up the good work, this is just great! Like I told ya, in case any help is needed in creating the archive, you ask and nothing can stop me :) And after all we have come here together, and are here to remind ourselves and each other and figure out that oneness is and else is an illusion... :) Thanks Lisa, keep up the wonderful work, Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1503 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: More Revisions "I've added a picture of the 3D world atlas coloring book, that I designed, based on Ley lines, a drawing of a pixi, meditating, drawn in Studio Max, a sculpture that I carved, and gave to one of the keysters, a picture of my daughter, and a chart showing a type phonetic type font I designed. That URL again is http://www.ont.com/users/rea1/" Rick, great stuff :) The 3D Merkaba pixi is so powerful! I still haven't got that Studio Max software, but is it possible to make the colors change in a kaleidoscopic rotation in that image? I think that would look awesome. Enjoyed the carving too. I would wanna learn how to do carving someday too. I guess when you're deeply enough emotionally inspired, nothing comes in your way :) Such a beautiful daughter you have too. Thanks for sharing! :) Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1504 From: J J Dewey Subject: 666 I see we've had an active list today. A whole lot of thinkin' going on. This is a good thing. If I were a representative of the beast I would not be teaching you here, but would set myself up as the ultimate authority and would discourage your learning and thought while at the same time proclaim I am for free thought, learning and an open mind. I see from your posts today that some of you have been subject to beastly leaders in the past. The sign of such a group is this. When you are in the group you just get a sense that you need to only give the answers that the leader wants to hear. If you give otherwise you will be "frowned" upon. In the old days you were imprisoned or killed for questioning. Fortunately the Constitution that wounded the beast plus the slow progress we have made in the rule of law gives us some protection in this age. Glenys and Garrett gave us some very good intellectual food for thought. I must say Glenys has a pretty good left brain for a female. Even though standard numerology is not the key we are looking for I was looking forward to someone going into it. It definitely gives an additional depth and view of the various levels of interpretation available. Even if you know you are not on the track of the answer we are looking for go ahead and post if you think your information gives us additional meaning. I get a lot of insight from many of your posts that was not necessarily the line of thought I had in mind. Then sometimes when you think your answer is way off base may be the time that you hit the mark. Glad to hear that some of you are looking into Strong's Concordance. If you intelligently use this you can become a better translator than the scholars. Why? Because people on this list have more common sense than most scholars. Regular bookstores would have to special order this but almost all Christian bookstores have it. If you visit one they may tell you that Young's or another one is just as good, but they are not. Strong's has been the standard for many years. You can just imagine the work it took to create with no computer. Then too you can order it from Amazon. I have a computer program that's supposed to have Strong's on it, but they have edited it so much of the good stuff is taken out. Another tool you may want if you desire to do research in the original language is Concordant New Testament. They also have about half of the Old Testament translated. Unlike regular Bibles, that are translated for easy reading, this version is painstakingly literally translated without regard to how it reads. Consequently there is very little bias in it. I'm surprised the publishers have not turned into New Agers. You can order from: http://www.concordant.org/orderblank/index.html John - you can go off the beaten path any time to present something like your Jerico story. There is a lot of truth there. Xavier: I will be writing much more in the future about atoms, molecules etc. I have never heard that electrons were considered positive by anyone. Where did you hear that? Samu asks: "Don't we need the beast?" Actually as long as we are in the world of form we need some type of duality to help us "Become." It is an interesting fact that a goal of the Brotherhood, in addition to promoting that which is good, is to take "evil" to a higher level. In the old days it was only mildly "evil" to kill a slave. Now here in Idaho if you kill a Jack Rabbit you are more "evil" than was the guy who killed his slave in the past. In other words, evil has been taken to a higher level. In the free world (which is now the totality of the second beast) the evil beast has been taken to a higher level. When we offend the Beast now we just loose our job or get thrown out of something whereas in the image of the beast (the non free world) they are still literally killed. Dave asks: Are we even in the group subject to the beast? Probably to some extent we all are. The reason we have spent so much time on the beast is to make us aware of that which holds us back from the full truth. "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." I take some risk in teaching you the truth about the Beast. Some may go the other extreme and feel they need to challenge me on everything. Fortunately we haven't had that problem yet. One who has freed himself from the authority of the beast however will test all teachers including myself with the God within, but once a teachers words have passed that test a challenging attitude becomes unnecessary. Nevertheless, never get lazy - always check all things through the soul and then question when necessary. One of the problems with students is that when they go out of alignment with the soul they often think their teacher has gone astray while they believe they have now passed beyond their teacher. Jesus had this problem with the disciples of old to some extent and had to set them straight several times by reminding them to look within to discover the truth anew. All but Judas were able to do this. He refused to look within and his ego made him soar in his mind even higher than his Lord. Rick, your invitation was well said. You are the man. Back to the number 666. Diane was very close when she stated: "The meaning of the 666 is that a person is under the blind authority of the beast." Now what could 666 possibly have to do with being under the authority of the Beast? You must also read the scripture very carefully. Notice in verse 17 that those who have the mark bear "the number of his name?" Now the Christian world is waiting for some great dictator to arise with the number 666 tattooed on his head or something like that, but here we are told that the billions among the masses bear the number themselves? How could they do that? Hint: What chakra does the beast use to maintain his control? Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1505 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Interesting thought. Dave wrote: "While reading JJ's comment on the experiments done on authority, a thought occurred to me. How many of us, in this group, are only agreeing with JJ just because the rest of the group is? How many of us have questions or concerns we'd like addressed, but haven't for fear of 'rocking the boat'? Is the beast ever present, even in this group?" Sure 'it' would be, if we gave it authority and a possibility to exist, on an individual level :) No, I am not agreeing because everyone else is (and I dare suggest that there are people on this list who do not agree with some parts but do not voice their opinion :) but am constantly amazed with the stuff I read here, because my heart says 'yesss!' and I simply have to agree because it is what I have felt to be true and now read verbalized in front of me. One thing I'd like gain more clarity on though: destroying the beast. JJ wrote: "Putting religion aside you have to admire these followers of Christ who gave their lives to defy the beast. Their lives were not in vain, for they paved the way to the wounding of the beast. Now finally we are in a point in time and space where the whole beast will be destroyed, but before we can destroy such an enemy we must know and understand what it is and how it functions." "The beast, as a whole, is not a country or anything physical, but is blind authority and is demonstrated by the "blind following the blind." "The beast is destroyed by opening the eyes of the blind, and this we shall do with power and great glory, but first we must open our own eyes to the one authority - the Spirit of God within us." "Now we shall attack the greatest, most discussed mystery of the whole Bible - the number of the Beast. Everything you have learned so far has just been preparation to understand this mystery." I do agree that the beast and its number is a huge mystery and something that is so very misunderstood among many religions and seekers. But I still find the phrase 'to destroy the beast' to be somewhat confusing. I mean, it's probably up to how the word to destroy is defined. I have absolutely no doubt in my heart nor my mind that we 'reveal' the beast and when we understand its true nature, it will be defeated, and that is the ultimate feat for both us and the Creator, who we are part of. Yes, beast is destroyed by opening the eyes of the blind, but first we must take our power back by recognizing and acknowledging we are One and created in His/Her image. For some reason I feel more comfortable with 'put to sleep' than destroyed when it comes to the beast, because to me it seems more like a decisive choice, having your focus consciously on 'the good' rather than fully ignoring 'the bad'. Wait, that came out wrong, not ignore but maybe being in balance and have the center of gravity in the light. Something like that :) But it is still sorta confusing because I believe the beast can be put to sleep for good, yet I am not sure what 'growth' or becoming is based on after that, unless it's more Love in relation to just a tiny amount less love :) Maybe I am talking about things that we will discuss later in our studies, and if it's so then I am happy to wait till we get there. Otherwise I'd love to hear comments on this, because I think it's of key importance. At least for me, and it is puzzling me right now :) Rick said with a very beautiful touch: "Those that get close know that I don't hide behind a facade and don't tolerate phonies. Anybody that wants to grow in oneness and learning, with the rest of the seekers on the Keys list, pay heed to this message. Come out of your shell and be real with us. We will accept you and can't help but love you all the more for knowing you better. We will discuss any theories you may have, and each shall profit by the exchange. If you have childhood traumas, that keep you in a prison of pain, we will heal you. If your trusts have been betrayed, in the past, we will show you that we can be trusted. If you are not ready to come out to all of us yet, then pick one or two of our frequent contributors, that say things that ring true to you, and strike up a conversation, off-list. You'll warm up to the buddy system here in no time. Those that have gotten actively involved here can tell you what intense joy they have discovered in the process and how that joy keeps growing stronger, every day. Don't take my word for it, I'm sure you'll find many that can explain it better than I can. I'm not psychic or a prophet, but I can tell you that what I am saying WILL come true, if you just open up and let it happen. Come on all you wallflowers. Turn on the lights, tune-up your instruments and let's JAM." This has truth written behind its every emotion and word of expression! Yes, do not be afraid to share. If somebody like me is able to talk endlessly and feels no shame, you are too ;D ;D No but seriously, do not be afraid to get in touch with folks thru the list or via private email. We are here to help and support each other to gain greater understanding of the knowledge that is being offered to us. We are in this together, and in my book, that is a very cool thing :) I can't explain it any better than Rick above, but would like to add that I think we are all if not what most people think is 'psychic', we are all sensitive to what goes on around us, whether or not we are able to bring that awareness fully in the daily consciousness, on some level *we know*. And that is beautiful. So yes Keysters, let us jam and rock'n'roll across the worlds! :D Have a good day everyone wherever you are... it's still here :) Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1506 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: 666 JJ writes: "Hint: What chakra does the beast use to maintain his control?" Did you just give the numbers of the chakras here? 1 and 4? The root chakra at the base of the spine, and the heart chakra? Hmmmmm, if that is true, then I'd say 1 to keep it coiled tightly in place so it doesn't rise. The beast could do this by convincing us that it is dangerous to let it rise. I've heard people say that, but I didn't find that to be true. And 4? The heart chakra? Hmmmm..... can't feel love, can't give love, can't love. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1507 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Pictures/website and things Hi Lisa, I visited your site and it looks great. Your page is an excellent idea and I wish I could do one. This is getting global and linking us through the internet better and better. Samu and Rick are adding and making changes to their websites daily too. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1508 From: JOHN KOSIOR Subject: Re: purpose xavier wrote: "JJ uttered once in a dream: Now finally we are in a point in time and space where the whole beast will be destroyed, but before we can destroy such an enemy we must know and understand what it is and how it functions." "that last sentence is a well known feeling, as if I/we had struggled all our life/lives with all our abilities and heart to get rid of that slavery. I'm sure it sounds familiar to you too keysters! (i like the name)" In agreement so far. "as if we had planned to do it all the time. I somehow know I have to make it. and I feel I bore this purpose all my life. I also feel unable most of the time, and at the same time my faith is unchanged. love you all." Still with you. "Why am i so good at figuring things out? And able to feel others feelings? Yet at the same time feeling so weak?" Oh yeah, now we're coming together. "It's an old battle isn't it? I sure would love your feedbacks there brothers and sisters!" Fear not, it's coming! "Do you feel the same, or related? What did we do in Christ's years? and temple ones? aaaaaarrrgh when we'll get back to shamballah!!!! or am I not such a lightbearing one???" Bingo! Now you've done it. Now you hit home. Hi Xavier, Yes, I know what you are talking about. In looking back up the page, I keep looking at your last line, "or am I not such a light bearing one???". I'm taken with that question for some pretty deep reasons. For me that question arises not out of a feeling of doubt, so much, as much as just one more possible conclusion. One I would not be very happy with, I might add. But still possible! To explain what I mean, you'd have to understand how my mind works. It is very well trained to discern. To view the yin AND the yang of a circumstance, simultaneously, all the time. Based on your question, "why am I so good at figuring things out?", it seems maybe you do likewise. A strong set of thoughts for me has been this fight between good and evil, what I've called in the past, the "conflict". On this subject, I've allowed my mind to process, like a giant computer would, every angle I could conceive, and every possible outcome that might come about. And what role exactly am I playing in each of these possible scenarios. (Mind you, this thought is still processing) But it's in this "processing" stage that we come up with all our questions. On the question of being a light bearing one or not, I've come up with another truth. That is that any time I view the "All" in any particular way, i.e.. "this is good and that is evil", I can easily look at that same thought form from another angle and find that the "evil" appears good, and the "good" appears evil. Or any variation that can be conceived. So the question of who is a light bearing one evolves into another question, "from what angle?". Or could that be, "from what dimension"? From what you've written about yourself, it seems perhaps you are a pondering soul. Pondering the feelings of others. Pondering the universal scheme. Pondering your role in the universal scheme. And on it goes. So you ask, "why am I so good at figuring things out? and able to feel others feelings? yet at the same time feeling so weak? " So how else would you expect to feel after such a long history of discerning everything? Take heart, my friend! We who are the ponderers are the "thought pioneers". Our light shines on to those who are "thought expressers", who take the grand themes of the ponderer and "speak" them to the "thought hearers". These share the light amongst themselves and behold, a new creation is born. Which of course requires some pondering. And we are called to service again. Finally, the question, does something about this seem familiar? You bet it does! I've had the "veil" lifted for me a few times now, and I can say at least that we have all been at this for a very long time. And in ways and capacities that few of us have ever dreamed about. It's a grand and awesome plan! And when we do re-gather, we will see it all at once. So keep dreaming and pondering and shining forth. Let the expressers and the hearers play their role, then step up again. It's a long road ahead, but let me say this; it's nice to have such good company. From Cyber-Nebula, John Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1509 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: 666 Ok, I sent my previous post before reading this one, and this one gave me some insight to what I was wondering about before :) JJ wrote: "Glad to hear that some of you are looking into Strong's Concordance. If you intelligently use this you can become a better translator than the scholars. Why? Because people on this list have more common sense than most scholars." I am happy that this book was brought up. Thank you Garrett, Glenys, Diane and everybody. I think it's just something that I would find endlessly fascinating, because I love words, and always wanna learn more about their origins :) One more book on my 'gotta have' list :) "Xavier: I will be writing much more in the future about atoms, molecules etc. I have never heard that electrons were considered positive by anyone. Where did you hear that?" This raised my curiosity too. Would like to hear more :) "Samu asks: "Don't we need the beast?" Actually as long as we are in the world of form we need some type of duality to help us "Become. Ok, *in the world of form*... So... Hmmmm.... Samu is scratching his head... That basically means 3d world, right? In other words, the world of relativity or duality... Well, higher dimensions is a vast subject, but somehow this leads me thinking that 'higher up' the form and thought are one (matter/mind relationship) there is no need to reflect of your mind in the outer world no more because your mind is pure and so are your surroundings, just like Buddha says in Glenys's sig :) You don't need to practice manifesting no more, because you do not second guess your thoughts, you are in total control, no beast nowhere near :) So there would be no need for duality in the sense we experience it 'down here', because in a sense the duality has become oneness, and there is no sense of separate outer vs. inner like most people experience in 3d world. In a way it would be more like a world of order instead of form. Or then it is a world of thoughtful organized form :) Any comments? "It is an interesting fact that a goal of the Brotherhood, in addition to promoting that which is good, is to take "evil" to a higher level. In the old days it was only mildly "evil" to kill a slave. Now here in Idaho if you kill a Jack Rabbit you are more "evil" than was the guy who killed his slave in the past. In other words, evil has been taken to a higher level." Ahhhh... ok. So the contrast between 'good and evil' is even bigger now, leading to bigger potential for growth, right? I understand the Brotherhood's plan, it's like being more aware of what the opposite of good is, so that more people wake up to decide choosing the lighter path of growth, because the duality is in your face more than ever. Ok. "One who has freed himself from the authority of the beast however will test all teachers including myself with the God within, but once a teachers words have passed that test a challenging attitude becomes unnecessary. Nevertheless, never get lazy - always check all things through the soul and then question when necessary." This is good advice to take heed from :) "Diane was very close when she stated: The meaning of the 666 is that a person is under the blind authority of the beast. Now what could 666 possibly have to do with being under the authority of the Beast?" I find it interesting that many times the answers that are correct or very close are things we have already discussed, but often we need to find a new angle, or present it at the right time, and precise about it. That is good practice for a babblefinger like me :) You must also read the scripture very carefully. Notice in verse 17 that those who have the mark bear "the number of his name?" "Now the Christian world is waiting for some great dictator to arise with the number 666 tattooed on his head or something like that, but here we are told that the billions among the masses bear the number themselves? How could they do that?" "Hint: What chakra does the beast use to maintain his control?" Yes LeLona, I have noticed being the clever man JJ is, he sows small hints here and there, sometimes clearly in the post, sometimes more between the lines, sometimes in the subject lines, sometimes there might be a lead in a post that at first might seem unrelated to the current discussion :) It's all about using the intuitive principle. Everything matters, if we see its meaningfulness. Well, I'd say the chakra is the 4th, the heart center. The beast manipulates our sense of being able to see what's going on by keeping our hearts in fear with its numerous tricks, thus blocking the heart. This way the flow of chi or whatever name you choose for the life force stays under the heart chakra, between the base and solar plexus, giving ego extra boost and putting it in the center of your awareness, which is thus based on fear-related emotions. And because heart is more or less blocked, the kundalini fountain can not bubble up to higher chakras, which are the spiritual chakras (vs. lower, more mundane ones, all equally important). Thus we do not 'see the truth' of the world we live in. Heart s the balancing bridge between the upper and lower chakras, and need to be selflessly but decisively opened to reach the equilibrium between the material and the intangible. So, in a way, I think that 666 is the number of man's chakras expressed in threes like trinity. (7 chakras, leave out the heart -> 6) A fully aware and 'complete' man would be expressed with the bright human nuumber 777. 666 is man under total authority to the beast, because he feels no more and can't hear his inner guiding voice of truth nor use his fine-tuned intuition. Peace and balance, Samu Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1510 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: WHAT IF........? Hi Betty, I loved this. I am so glad you sent it to the list. It makes you give thanks and appreciate that love is just about the most important thing in our lives. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1511 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: purpose Hi Xavier, I love to see your posts. They make me look at things or ideas in a different way thus giving me a lot to think about. Samu's posts do this for me too. I just love all of you on the list so much. I may not be as good at figuring things out but your posts do make me ponder things much more than I used to do. Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1512 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: 666 J J Dewey wrote: " Now the Christian world is waiting for some great dictator to arise with the number 666 tattooed on his head or something like that, but here we are told that the billions among the masses bear the number themselves? How could they do that?" Because they selfishly think of themselves first and do not love their fellow man in a true fashion. Love without strings attached. So my guess is that the heart chakra is the one used to maintain control. Love should be freely given and without expectations(strings) Diane Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1513 From: Rick Audette Subject: politically correct Christmas Subject: A Politically Correct Night Before Christmas 'Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a wreck. How to live in a world that's politically correct? His workers no longer would answer to Elves, Vertically Challenged they were calling themselves. And labor conditions at the north pole Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul. Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety, Released to the wilds by the Humane Society. And equal employment had made it quite clear That Santa had better not use just reindeer. So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid, Were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid! The runners had been removed from his sleigh; The ruts were termed dangerous by the E.P.A. And people had started to call for the cops When they heard sled noises on their roof-tops. Second-hand smoke from his pipe had his workers quite frightened. His fur trimmed red suit was called Unenlightened. And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows, Rudolf was suing over unauthorized use of his nose And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation, Demanding millions in over-due compensation. So, half of the reindeer were gone; and his wife, Who suddenly said she'd enough of this life, Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz, Demanding from now on her title was Ms. And as for the gifts, why, he'd ne'er had a notion That making a choice could cause so much commotion. Nothing of leather, nothing of fur, Which meant nothing for him. And nothing for her. Nothing that might be construed to pollute. Nothing to aim. Nothing to shoot. Nothing that clamored or made lots of noise. Nothing for just girls. Or just for the boys. Nothing that claimed to be gender specific. Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific. No candy or sweets -- they were bad for the tooth. Nothing that seemed to embellish a truth. And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden, Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden. For they raised the hackles of those psychological Who claimed the only good gift was one ecological. No baseball, no football -- someone could get hurt; Besides, playing sports exposed kids to dirt. Dolls were said to be sexist, and should be passe; And Nintendo would rot your entire brain away. So Santa just stood there, disheveled, perplexed; He just could not figure out what to do next. He tried to be merry, tried to be gay, But you've got to be careful with that word today. His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground; Nothing fully acceptable was to be found. Something special was needed, a gift that he might Give to all without angering the left or the right. A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision, Each group of people, every religion; Every ethnicity, every hue, Everyone, everywhere, even you. So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth. May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth. ======================================= Notice: This poem is copyright 1992 by Harvey Ehrlich. It is free to distribute, without changes, as long as this notice remains intact. Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1514 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Pictures/website and things lfolk@mail. cybermedia-inc.com writes: "The address is http://www.naturalfolks.com/keys/ check it out and give me your opinion. Please remember I just started this today. More to come!" My opinion is GO GIRL! Love your picture there too. You've taken on a huge job! Wouldn't it be nice to see every concluding post in one long format? T'would be like reading another JJ book. I think that's what I'll do with them when you get them up. I'll copy them to my hard drive then copy them together, making one long explanation of Rev. 13. Unless that is what you were going to do? Let me know if I can help in any way. I have every concluding post printed. So if you think you might have missed something I can check my file. LeLona Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1515 From: BETTY NOREM Subject: Re: Strong's Concordance "Diane Linen" writes: "Glenys, May I ask where I could get one of these concordances? What exactly do they do? Forgive my ignorance but I have not been exactly into studying the Bible before and may need a tad of help once in awhile." Diane, Try Parsons Technology Website - www.parsonstech.com or if on AOL use keyword . They have a Bible program called QuickVerse that has a choice of several different versions of the Bible, Strong's Concordance, with Greek & Hebrew, etc. You can get just the basic program with the KJV of the Bible and later add on different study aids. I can't remember the cost, but a few months ago they sent me email to go to their site and d/l QuickVerse for free since I have bought a few things from them before - so I got the program free and ordered Strong's Concordance for about $24. I'm still learning how to use it, but so far it's great for opening a certain scripture from KJV and then opening the Greek version of the same scripture side by side - then click on any of the Greek words and get the meaning of it. Love & Blessings, Betty Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-15/1516 From: BETTY NOREM Subject: Re: I C Q help? "Diane Linen" writes: :LeLona, I think that your using win3.1 is where your problem lies. I think that ICQ and IM work best with win95." I use win 3.1 & AOL and have no problem using IM - haven't tried ICQ, tho, so don't know about it. Betty Post No. keys-l: /1998-12-16/1517 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Chakra I'm finding it difficult to see how the beast rules us through our heart chakra. I would have thought the solar plexus chakra would be a better bet and it can still fit in with JJ's hint for the detectives amongst us (being somewhere between 1 and 4 :-) The beast rules by blind authority, by power and 'lower' emotional control, characteristics of the third chakra. He gives us our personal identity and controls our will, our striving for power and determines our social patterns to a large extent. These are also features of the solar plexus chakra. Here's a quote from someone describing the solar plexus that isn't working properly: "When your Solar Plexus Chakra is malfunctioning, you want to manipulate everything in accordance with your own wishes and desires; you want to control your inner and outer worlds and conquer and exercise power. An inner restlessness and discontent drives you. You develop an enormous urge to keep active and busy. This urge is your way of covering up your persistent feelings of inadequacy and shortcomings. You just can't let go and relax. You need to understand that material wealth and recognition cannot provide you with true, long-term happiness." "Acceptance and material well-being are of primary importance for you. Your true emotions are all blocked, therefore, you are unable to express them. You get upset easily. Your irritation and agitation are an expression of all the anger you have swallowed over a long period of time. You feel dejected and discouraged. You see obstacles everywhere. You believe these obstacles are preventing you from fulfilling your desires. When faced with a difficult situation, you may feel queasy and uncertain, or you may get so nervous your actions become haphazard and di