1998 - WEEK 47 Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/382 From: Isabelle Subject: Fwd: "The Cocoon" This was sent to me this morning. It reminds me of why using the Intuitive Principle is important instead of being given the answers. The Cocoon A man found a cocoon of a butterfly. One day a small opening appeared, he sat and watched the butterfly for several hours as it struggled to force its body through that little hole. Then it seemed to stop making any progress. It appeared as if it had gotten as far as it could and it could go no farther. Then the man decided to help the butterfly, so he took a pair of scissors and snipped off the remaining bit of the cocoon. The butterfly then emerged easily. But it had a swollen body and small, shriveled wings. The man continued to watch the butterfly because he expected that, at any moment, the wings would enlarge and expand to be able to support the body, which would contract in time. Neither happened! In fact, the butterfly spent the rest of its life crawling around with a swollen body and shriveled wings. It never was able to fly. What the man in his kindness and haste did not understand was that the restricting cocoon and the struggle required for the butterfly to get through the tiny opening were God's, or nature's, way of forcing fluid from the body of the butterfly into its wings so that it would be ready for flight once it achieved its freedom from the cocoon. Sometimes struggles are exactly what we need in our life. If God, or nature, allowed us to go through our life without any obstacles, it would cripple us. We would not be as strong as what we could have been. And we could never fly. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/383 From: stress Subject: A simple enquiry... Hiya... Just wondering... Anyone here from Western Australia that has the book (The Immortal) and can lend it to me so I can read it? I really want to read the second part of the book, but I'm afraid at the rate I'm going it'll be a cold day in hell before I'm in a financial position to buy it. :( Thanks a lot, Joel. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/384 From: stress Subject: Re: Perspective - A possible answer..(Just warning you so you don't go and possibly cheat :>) Hiya :) "But the third when asked, paused and looked toward the uncompleted project with hope and love in his eyes and a quiver in his voice and said: 'I am working on a temple for the Living God.' Which one do you think really received the true joy of his labors?" Obviously the 3rd one...:) My infinite love to you. I AM ETERNALLY WITH YOU IN THE *LIGHT* Azarus Ankh'aa / Joel Cocks. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/385 From: "Mindy" Subject: re: Cocoon Hi, Belle. Thanks for sharing "The Cocoon." Poignant, a lesson in compassion and in stepping back. Reminds me of watching a child take it's first steps or going off to college. Times to stand by and watch their struggles but not do their battles. Reminds us to see the occurrences in life as learning experiences and find growth through them. Love, Mindy. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/386 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Fwd: "The Cocoon" Wow, That story brought to mind my two oldest daughters. I was not able to be with them much, as they were growing up. When they were old enough to venture out on their own, I wanted to offer them each some advice that would stick with them. Such advice, from a stranger, would have to be worded in such an unexpected way, as to stand out clearly against what those closer had given. So, instead of wishing them smooth sailing, in their new life as adults, I told them that I didn't expect them to go through life without ever screwing up, that as my offspring they were likely to make even greater mistakes than I, but just remember, no matter how rough things seem to get, there is always at least one bridge left that they hadn't burned behind them and I, and their real Father in Heaven, would always let them come home and get a fresh start. Misty eyed, Rick. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/387 From: Dave Curtis Subject: Spirituality I'm overwhelmed by how spiritually advanced most of you are. I just commented to Joseph how 'spiritually advanced' I used to think I was. How, when I read his book, I became humbled. I'm in a situation I'm not used to. I feel out of my league in this group! I was a part of a mailing list, where I regularly received positive remarks on my comments. I can't imagine what they'd say if they read some of the things many of you have said. I'm afraid to say anything, for fear it will sound stupid and immature compared to what has been said on a regular basis in this list. Recently, my intuition went quiet. (Or I've gone deaf to it.) I've began to distrust my own intuition for one reason or another. Being in this situation, I realize now, how important it is. Intuition sometimes tells us things we don't want to hear, so it's difficult to trust it at times. In Joseph's book I, chapter 7, Elizabeth is discussing 'Ask and Ye Shall Receive' with John... "There is a principle governing the transmission of higher principles. Have you heard the statement made by Jesus in the Bible where he says: "Ask and you shall receive?" "I believe so." "If you want to know any mystery, you must ask and know what you are asking. The one being asked must know what is being asked, and the one who is asking must be willing to receive if the answer is given." "And if I reject the answer?" "Then it will be as if the question was never asked," replied John. I think the reason I may have gone deaf to my intuition, is because I'm having a hard time breaking down my original belief system, and forming up this new one. I have not totally accepted the teaching, because I am not listening to my higher self. I also feel like the lost sheep Joseph mentioned earlier. I hope I will soon be found as well. -- Peace and Love, Dave Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/388 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Spirituality Dear Dave, It seems to me that you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Your humility and willingness to explore new possibilities should encourage us all. It is my understanding that when our belief systems crumble down around us and we can no longer access that which once gave comfort and meaning to our lives, then we are preparing ourselves for a new gift - usually deeper levels of wisdom, love and understanding. Your process is that of the Spiritual Warrior where paradigms are being reworked and expanded to enable you to become more of who you really are. Give yourself a hug! You are right where you're supposed to be and doing very well. All love, Glenys. ------------------------------- To a visitor who described himself as a seeker after Truth the Master said, "If what you seek is Truth, there is one thing you must have above all else." "I know. An overwhelming passion for it." "No. An unremitting readiness to admit you may be wrong." Anthony de Mello, SJ. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/389 From: "Mindy" Subject: re: spirituality Welcome Dave, Just a thought. . . there are no stupid people. Everyone knows different things and has different ideas. Thus we can learn something from everyone who crosses our path. I'm sure we'll learn from you. Love, Mindy. Let go of doubt, trust in yourself. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/390 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Fwd: "The Cocoon" Rick wrote: "...there is always at least one bridge left that they hadn't burned behind them and I, and their real Father in Heaven, would always let them come home and get a fresh start." I am misty-eyed as well, Rick. Thanks for sharing. ~B. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/391 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Spirituality Thank you for your honesty, Dave. I believe we have all been in both situations: experiences in which we feel 'spiritually advanced' and other experiences in which we feel less so. A truly evolving person does exactly what you just did: He/she acknowledges the unknown -- regardless of the discomfort -- and then determines just how much of the "known" must be released and left behind in order to make the next leap in growth. Trust me, I must regularly re-evaluate my own growth (or advancement) after reading the offerings posted by the other members of our Key family. I look forward to what I shall learn from you on this shared journey. ~B. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/392 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Spirituality Hi, Dave, Please, don't be afraid. Just be yourself. All the dogma and wise sayings really mean little if they don't come from the heart and you know what they mean. Just give from your heart. I get to feeling oppressed and depressed ever once in a while and the first thing I want to do is not talk. Then I realized one day that by not talking I was refusing to give. Now, when I get that feeling I force myself to talk, even if it's idle talk with my co-workers at the office. Before I know it I'm out of that mode of not wanting to give of myself. You just never know when something you say will be exactly what someone else needs to hear. LeLona Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/393 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Spirituality LeLona wrote: "You just never know when something you say will be exactly what someone else needs to hear." Amen to that, sister! ~B. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/394 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Spirituality Dave, The Good life is not a measure of which rung of the spiritual ladder you are on, but rather the degree of one's focus on perfection and the energy you put into the pursuit of Truth. Perfection is only reached at an infinite distance. Even the Masters have an infinite way to go still. We are all equal in that sense and so, the old rules do not apply. As long as you are looking in the right direction and doing the best you know how, you will always get your fair share of the Good life. Keep on keeping on. Rick. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/395 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Spirituality Rick writes: "...life is not a measure of which rung of the spiritual ladder you are on." Another thing, Dave. A great mystery is that we don't know which rung of the spiritual ladder we're on. LeLona. ~O~ (That ~O~ will continue to appear behind my signature, and the One it's for will know.) Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/396 From: J J Dewey Subject: Bud Light When I read posts like you friends post today, I can't help but think of Bud Light. "I love ya man!" Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/397 From: J J Dewey Subject: The Next Question THE BEAST Understanding the beast in Revelation involves understanding a principle. It is not one of the keys, but surely could be a thirteenth Key of Knowledge if there was one. Even though it will be covered in future books it is such an important thing to understand that I thought we would use it to involve the Intuitive Principle. I know there are some out there who have had bad experiences with organized religion and have been tempted to even write the Bible off because of it, but let me make this observation. The Book of Revelation written by the Apostle John is one of the grandest books in human history with as much depth and mystery as any metaphysical, non-metaphysical, religious or non- religious book in the world. Please do not let any preconceived notions equate this book with a level only to be used by a student of Jimmy Swaggart. Read the thirteenth chapter of the Book of Revelation and answer this. What is the Beast? There is a key word that describes him. I once gave the key to Rick -- so if you remember, Rick, don't post the answer just yet, but for the rest of you go ahead and post it. Don't hold back. We have a lot of material to cover and it won't hurt here if the word is revealed sooner rather than later. To those of you who held back last time -- it may have been the right thing to do because of the good thoughts and material everyone came up with, but generally we will go full steam ahead. I think it was LeLona who said she discovered the answer by doing a word search. I thought someone may get that bright idea so I tried to avoid key words that would help, but she outsmarted me. Unfortunately, a word search will not help this time. Rick is to be commended by remembering to keep in mind that he is supposed to pay attention to the exact wording of questions and answers. On the other hand (and there may always be rare exceptions) the Brotherhood does not use trick questions. A true teacher merely attempts to exactly portray his thoughts in writing word and deed. One interesting difference between the Brotherhood of Light and the Dark Brothers is that almost all the members in the Light have a great sense of humor. The dark Brothers take themselves way too seriously and rarely see the lighter side of things. So most of those times the Brothers of Light (and Sisters too, of course) seem to be doing something tricky they are really trying to make you laugh -- not trying deceive you. On the other hand if a teacher speaks his thoughts exactly and the student reads something that is not there that deception was caused by the student, not the teacher. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/398 From: "d.linen" Subject: Re: Fwd: "The Cocoon" Rick Audette wrote: "...So, instead of wishing them smooth sailing, in their new life as adults, I told them that I didn't expect them to go through life without ever screwing up, that as my offspring they were likely to make even greater mistakes than I, but just remember, no matter how rough things seem to get, there is always at least one bridge left that they hadn't burned behind them and I, and their real Father, in Heaven, would always let them come home and get a fresh start...." This brought tears to my eyes, Rick. Wonderful advice. Thanks for sharing. Diane. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/399 From: "d.linen" Subject: Re: Spirituality Hi Dave, I am not sure how one judges spirituality but what you said in this post was pretty profound. Like your statement that we sometimes don't listen to spirit because it's something we don't want to hear. There is a lot of truth in that. I know that when Rick and Samu and Belle and LeLona were answering the question that JJ asked, I was feeling pretty dumb at that point because I didn't seem to have the answer that they had. The clues they gave seemed to confuse me further. I think that I *did* have the answer but didn't think that I did after all. It seemed too simple to be the answer. So I didn't trust my intuition at that point either and I should have. If you feel like a lost sheep don't feel alone because we were all lost sheep in one sense and now we are found. Diane Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/400 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: Mailing list confessions I read this mailing list everyday and am glad to see how much it's grown. There have been many times I've desired to reply to a post here and there, but didn't. I can identify with some of what Dave, and others, wrote about feeling inferior. When I first joined I thought I would be to this list what John was to Joe. I wanted others to think highly of me. I wanted to enlighten THE WORLD! The more I've been reading from this list the more I see how much further there is to climb. I've also been doubting what I already learned. So, I withdrew into myself for a while. Just keeping in touch. Wishing I could walk on water, Rob. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/401 From: Rick Audette Subject: The beast OK then, I will not bring up the information which JJ has already shared with me. I'll just tell you about a piece of information I had seen in another book years ago. In a book called, The City of Revelation, the author states that the book of Revelation was written on many levels and to protect it from being mistranslated in the future, the author used phrases that when read in the original Greek could be converted into a universal mathematical language that could not become as distorted as regular conversational languages can. The number system being used is called gematria. Each letter in the Greek alphabet has a numerical value and when you add up the numbers in a phrase or word, you get a number that stands for a universal principle. Some examples of this would be: 144="Rock of salvation" or "The redeemed"; 353="The Way" or "Hermes" or "Kudalini"; 2178="Pearl of great price" or "Ark of the covenant". In this system, both good and evil things might be reduced to the same number value. The whore of Babylon and the Bride of Christ both are represented by the same number. When we relate the number 666 to the beast, it does not indicate that the beast, in and of itself, is an evil thing, because that number stands for the male, positive energy found in everything in the universe. The counter female force is represented by the number 1080. This number, too, is neither good or bad. So, what is it that John is really warning us about when he talks about the Beast. Time to get those Bibles out and read them in a new light. Mustard seed, Rick. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/402 From: Isabelle Subject: Water walking "Wishing I could walk on water, Rob." Hi Rob, You could practice here... It's been raining all day. And while you're at it, would you bring me a Bible? Guess who doesn't even have one. :-( Grins, Belle. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/403 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Mailing list confessions. Rob wrote: "The more I've been reading from this list the more I see how much further there is to climb. I've also been doubting what I already learned. So, I withdrew into myself for a while." :::knocking::: Hey, Rob! Don't stay in there too long, buddy. We all benefit from each other's insights. Oh, and I am glad you are still part of the human race. :) Not-a-guru, ~B. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/404 From: "d.linen" Subject: Re: Mailing list confessions. TeKnoBabL wrote: "Wishing I could walk on water..." Rob, if you look at it just a little differently, you can walk on water if it's frozen. Diane. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/405 From: "TwinStorms" Subject: Re: The Next Question JJ wrote: "Read the thirteenth chapter of the Book of Revelation and answer this. What is the Beast? There is a key word that describes him." Rick wrote: "Time to get those Bibles out and read them in a new light." Twinstorms finds Bible, blows off dust and goes into a coughing spell trying to find Rev. 13... It's been a while folks. I'll have to get intuit again. Light, Love and Power One for All and All for One! TwinStorms AKA James Bryan. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/406 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: Revelation, Chapter 13 Reproduced from the New International Version: 13:1 And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 13:2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 13:3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 13:4 Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, 'Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?' 13:5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 13:6 He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 13:7 He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. 13:9 He who has an ear, let him hear. 13:10 If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. 13:11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 13:12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13:13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 13:14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 13:15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 13:17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 13:18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666." Gives me shivers. Rob. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/407 From: "TwinStorms" Subject: Re: The Next Question JJ wrote: "Read the thirteenth chapter of the Book of Revelation and answer this. What is the Beast? There is a key word that describes him." Okay, the word that sticks out plain as day for a description of the Beast would be ....umm.....blasphemer. For he did speak great things and blasphemies. TwinStorms. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/408 From: Isabelle Subject: Re: Revelation, Chapter 13 What a champ you are, Rob!!! Thanks... Now off to work on figgerin' this out... Belle. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/409 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Revelation, Chapter 13 I have 2 bibles that I'm reading from, and they both have 2 different translations of this last verse. One says: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." Then my other bible says: "Here intelligence comes in. Let him who has the mind for it calculate the number of the beast, for it is a man's number, and his number is six hundred sixty-six." When I read it the first time, from the first version, I was pulled into the word "count." The next version says "calculate." I think the key word is mathematics of some kind. But what that says the beast is I don't know yet. I tried counting 6+6+6=18. 1+8=9. So to count the number equals 9. That is just the number of the beast and man, but still doesn't answer the question, what is the beast. My thoughts. LeLona. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/410 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: Bible Search Site I just found this online Bible site. You can look up passages, verses, or search by keywords. You can also compare from different versions. Cool! Rob. http://bible.gospelcom.net Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/411 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: The Next Question James Bryan writes: "Okay, the word that sticks out plain as day for a description of the Beast would be ...umm... blasphemer." Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/412 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: Re: Revelation, Chapter 13 Thanks, Belle! Experiencing warm fuzzies, Rob. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/413 From: Isabelle Subject: Re: The Next Question I think you're right there, James... I was going to say False Prophet. Belle. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/414 From: "TwinStorms" Subject: Re: The Next Question Okay, Wayne. How about an Authoritative Blaspheming horny Leopard with a lying mouth and bare feet. ;-) Care for another cup-o-Joe. I love ya, man! Light Love and Power One for All and All for One! TwinStorms AKA James Bryan. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/415 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: The Next Question I'm sure glad we can laugh together too....hahahahaha. That was funny. Seriously, is blasphemy the answer? I'm still looking at counting those numbers.... Somebody please stop me if I'm way off on a tangent. I turn to Pythagoras, the father of mathematics. He discovered the mystical significance of numbers, noting that the numbers 1 through 9 stand, macrocosmically, for universal principles. On a personal level, microcosmically, they stand for characteristics, abilities and events. Every word or name vibrates to a number and every number has its inner meaning. The letter and number code, when rightly understood and applied, bring us into a direct and close relationship with the underlying intelligence of the universe. What I just said is that numbers correspond to letters. Each letter can be assigned a number, and those numbers, in a name, for instance, add up to a total. Take the sum total of the numbers in a name and you have the essence of the being carrying that name. This is under the science (or art) of numerology which, by the way, I study. But, what is the beast? Whose number is 666, the same as man's? Duh, I don't know. :) Gads, if only I could use word find. LeLona. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/416 From: "TwinStorms" Subject: Re: The Next Question If we use numerology to figure this out than I would have to come to the conclusion based on the mathematical principles of numerology as you laid them out that the Beast is Man! An Authoritative Blaspheming horny Man with a lying mouth and bare feet... ;-) Hmmm, does that sound like a certain political leader in the US? Sorry, don't want to get political here. TwinStorms. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/417 From: "d.linen" Subject: Re: The Next Question The beast is Satan, the deceiver. Diane. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/418 From: J J Dewey Subject: Hint Message 414 from Twin Storms has a hint. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/419 From: J J Dewey Subject: Project Dear Friends, I have been contemplating how to more effectively promote the book. Just like the cocoon story [NOTE: See Message 382.], the writing, publishing and promotion of these teachings will be up to us mere mortals for our own good and growth. In the end it also solidifies the teachings more firmly and correctly in the minds of humanity. I sense that there are a number of you on this list that are willing to help promote the book and teachings so I have come up with a project for the willing. So far it has been like pulling teeth getting this book to the public by any orthodox means and we have spent a lot much more on it than we have made, but I have an idea that may work and it involves your help. If you think you may be able to spare a couple hours a week building some good karma, please personally contact me by e-mail at: jjd@rmci.net. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/420 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Hint Which one is message 414? Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/421 From: "d.linen" Subject: Re: Hint In the Archive of the Keys list, they are numbered. Diane. Week 1998-46: Message 414. "Okay Wayne, How about an Authoritative Blaspheming horny Leopard with a lying mouth and bare feet... ;-) Care for another cup-o-Joe. I love ya man!..." Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/422 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: Re: What is the beast? I don't know what it is, or if the following is even relevant or useful, but here's what I get from Rev 13... There appear to be 2 beasts in this chapter. The first, to me, seems like a leader of some kind. The second, I think, is an enforcer of the first's decisions. Hmm... (shrugging shoulders), Rob. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/423 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: What is the beast? Rob wrote: "There appears to be 2 beasts in this chapter." Yes, in fact the Good News for Modern Man version actually titles Chapter 13 as "The Two Beasts." But a number of other translations refer to the first creature as the Dragon, while using "the Beast" to identify the second creature. By the way, what is the significance of the Beast having survived a mortal wound? ~B. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/424 From: Isabelle Subject: Re: The Next Question OK, I'll have another go at it. If 666 is the number of man and somehow may have to do with authority, then is it a number given to man by a government like an ID number or a Social Security Number? Some think that one day we will have these numbers on our bodies as ID. Still guessing, Belle. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/425 From: "TwinStorms" Subject: Re: The Next Question Okay then, how about the IMF (International Monetary Fund) or NATO and the Common Market. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/426 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Hint [NOTE: This message was blank. See 427.] Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/427 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Hint If message 414 has a hint, I'd guess the hint is "lying", or liar. What is the beast? A lie. LeLona. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/428 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: The Next Question In the World War II era, Benito Mussolini became the dictator of Italy. Trying to use the Greek numerical values on his name did not add up to 666. However, he had a nickname that he was also known by: "IL DUCE" (the "sweet" one). [NOTE: "Dulce" is the Italian word for "sweet." "Duce" means "leader" and derives from the same Latin word as our English word, "duke."] When you add up those letters of his nickname, if I recall correctly, it adds up to 666. So, what is the beast? How about either "authority" or "dictator"? Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/429 From: "d.linen" Subject: Re: Hint To me the key word is deception or deceive which is a lie, I suppose. Diane. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/430 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: The Next Question Perhaps the beast is 'captivity.' (Watch this space for about 20 more guesses from me.) :-) All love, Glenys. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/431 From: BobNancy Services Subject: Re: The Next Question Dear Friends, Greetings! I've been reading without responding for some time, but felt the prompting to jump into the discussion concerning the identity of the Beast. First, I think there are many accurate ways of naming the Beast (I translate as part of my multi- faceted work--I can assure you, there *are* many accurate ways of naming the beast), but I think one of the most direct is: The Lie Think about it. This beast looks like a leopard, but has feet of a bear, head of a lion, etc. It has a fatal wound that is healed completely. Everyone follows it, yet is terrorized by it. It brings about the most dreaded destinies of those who follow it (i.e., believe it), etc. Absolutely nothing about it is true--nothing. The explanation I was once given by a wise older friend concerning the number 666 supports this as well. The number 7, in this way of looking at things, is the number of "perfect" (harmonious) completion or development; 6 is the number just shy of that completion--the highest state of incompletion, if I can say such a thing. 666 indicates, if you will, "perfect" incompletion in all realms of the Beast's being: body, soul, and spirit. That it is the number of the human being at this point in evolution is obvious to all who are striving to change that situation in themselves. The Beast holds sway when we believe The Lie that 666 is the ultimate truth--nothing greater exists than what we now behold ourselves to be. What is another way of naming The Lie? The Lie, or the Beast, becomes world regent at that moment when we lapse into unawareness of our spiritual unity throughout eternity. When I forget that I am a part of all that is Divine and a part of you, my brothers and sisters, and I forget that you are a part of me, I have accepted that it is possible to look like a leopard, but have the head of a lion, etc., and a fatal wound that is completely healed. Because the Beast's number is 666 (all levels of existence), not 66 or 6, the dreaded destinies of the Beast can and do occur on any one or all levels of being at a given moment--spiritual anguish, soul anguish, physical anguish-- and can happen both inwardly and outwardly. Fortunately, we have been given many ways to reestablish our awareness of our participation within divinity, including the Song of 144,000. When we remember who we really are, the Beast has no authority in that moment. With warmth and appreciation for the members of this list, Robert F. Lathe/Nancy K. Whittaker Web: http://www.bobnancy.com Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/432 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Revelation, Chapter 13 Or maybe he is 'authority.' (Only 19 to go.) Glenys. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/433 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: What is the beast? Brian Weis wrote: "By the way, what is the significance of the Beast's having survived a mortal wound?" To show he has supernatural powers or is endorsed by a higher authority? I need to know how to survive a brain wound from all this thinking (I know, I know.... it doesn't show.... :-) All love, Glenys. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/434 From: Dave Curtis Subject: Re: Spirituality. I just wanted to thank you all for your comments. They've helped me understand a lot. Even though I may not have a lot to teach most of you, you all have a lot to teach me. While writing this letter, I remembered something Joseph [JJ] wrote in Book II. (I don't have the book with me, so I will try and summarize this as best I can.) It was written somewhere in the book, that although Masters are far more spiritually advanced than ourselves, they still have some things they can learn from us. Thank you for helping me re-think things, AGAIN...! I hope this list continues to grow! I am waiting for the day when our number will be 144,000! -- Peace and Love, Dave. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/435 From: Dave Curtis Subject: Re: The Next Question Isabelle wrote: "OK, I'll have another go at it. If 666 is the number of man and somehow may have to do with authority, then is it a number given to man by a government like an ID number or a Social Security Number? Some think that one day we will have these numbers on our bodies as ID." Keep in mind, that in Book II, John mentioned that most all of us have the mark of the beast. If I remember correctly, he said Joseph [JJ] did not have that mark. If this is the case, it could not be SSNs. Thinking back on the Doctor, John mentioned that he bore the mark. The doctor seemed controlling, and became irate when Joseph defied his authority. I'm spinning a few thoughts around here, and am beginning to wonder if it is unquestionable authority that is the beast. Or, do you have the mark if you are willing to give up your freedom for a selfish purpose... say, safety. I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said, "Those who are willing to give up their freedom for a little temporary safety, deserve neither." [NOTE: Bartlett's, 310:13, gives the quote as: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."] Great Authority was mentioned in Rev. Chapter 13, verse 2. Could that be the keyword? -- Peace and Love, Dave. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/436 From: J J Dewey Subject: You Are Right Sir! Several of you have it right. Now Rick can fairly jump in again with both feet. The keyword for the beast is "authority." It looks like several of you are jumping ahead to the number of the beast, the second beast, etc. That's fine because sometimes you have to see the whole to understand the part, but we'll move step by step here and when we are done the pieces should fit together. THE NEXT QUESTION: Almost all powers and energies are dual. What is the positive and negative use of authority? Obviously the beast uses negative authority because: "The dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." (Verse 2.) Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/437 From: Cuiston Subject: the question Hi, all. Am new to this list but have truly enjoyed all the posts... By far, one of the most delightful lists I have yet to come upon. Such wonderful humor, vignettes, and wisdoms... Is the beast "the great pretender"... the 'false' image? Blessings, Linda. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/438 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: You Are Right Sir! J J Dewey wrote: "THE NEXT QUESTION: "Almost all powers and energies are dual. "What is the positive and negative use of authority?" The positive use of authority is to empower others to reach their highest potential - to serve others - and the negative use of authority would be to gain power over others with the objective of enslavement and control. All love, Glenys. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I thank God for most this amazing day; for the leaping greenly spirits of trees and a blue true dream of sky; and for everything which is natural, which is infinite, which is yes. e. e. cummings Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/439 From: "d.linen" Subject: Re: You Are Right Sir! The positive use of authority is that which benefits mankind and the negative use of authority is that which enslaves mankind. Diane. Post-No.: keys-l/1998-11-16/440 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: + & - Use of Authority The positive use of authority would allow free will. The people could make their own decisions. (freedom) The negative use of authority would not allow free will. Those in authority would want (demand?) to make all decisions for the people. (control) Garrett (I think I can name this tune in 10 guesses). Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/441 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: The Next Question O.K., More about the numbers. 666 the male principle = The letter of the law1080 female principle = The Spirit of the law This is from my own research. I am still not quoting JJ. He told me the answer to this question in response to my very first letter to him. That's all I can say, without giving the answer. Rick Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/442 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: You Are Right Sir! JJ wrote: "The keyword for the beast is "authority." "It looks like several of you are jumping ahead to the number of the beast, the second beast etc. That's fine because sometimes you have to see the whole to understand the part, but we'll move step by step here and when we are done the pieces should fit together." "THE NEXT QUESTION:" "Almost all powers and energies are dual." "What is the positive and negative use of authority?" "Obviously the beast is uses negative authority because: "The dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." Verse 2 Dear folks, Wow! I just close my eyes to sleep over one night and in the morning there are about 50 light- filled e's waiting in my mailbox! Like it's been said before, love ya guys! :D The wisdom, love and humility of this group is amazing. My answer to what the beast is would have been adversary. I remember having read somewhere that most terms widely used to day, like beast, devil or satan are mistranslations or misinterpretations, the original meaning is adversary or opponent. That info was one of those that gave me full body chills of confirmation. Makes perfect sense to me. He or it is the one who isn't necessarily evil, but makes us play the best game we can, so to speak :) How could we distinguish between choices if there were no polarities to choose from between? I think the answers already sent to the next question are all great :) I was thinking about the nest question, positive and negative use of authority... Seems to me that the worst kind of self- deception and negative use of authority would be to give away the authority from Self to something outside, be it beast or whatever. Sorta like practicing your right called Free Will to give away that same Free Will :) We all have both sides, yin and yang, positive and negative, and millions of other things by which the polarities are described, true. To me, if you give away your own authority to the opponent, then you're no longer playing the same game that is meant to offer us means to become a better player, a purer Soldier of Light, but you have joined the opponent and are playing against yourself. Not something I would advice for anyone, my friends :) Can we really be under somebody else's control or enslaved unless we give away our own power and authority? Hmmmmm... Once again looks like it comes back to the question of who you choose your Self to be, in relation to things around you, yep :) In a way it seems like positive use of authority would give everybody equal *and* selfless authority, and this doesn't mean it would be away from others. Actually, if everybody were the keepers of their own power and authority, they would also be manifesting their own world and creating their reality. On the other hand, negative use of authority would aim to have you give away your own power, which would lead to an illusionary authority that people would obey, and even if somebody or something outside seems to have the authority, it's all really an illusion, control under fear, and nobody really would have the true authority, until we would take it back, that is. This is probably not answering the question itself, but something that popped in my head and I felt like sharing. And see, sometimes I'm able to keep it *relatively* short :D Much love to all you beautiful shiny souls, Mr. ramble-man aka Samu :) Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/443 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Duality JJ wrote: "Almost all powers and energies are dual." Makes me wonder, which one(s) isn't? :) One, All, Love, Samu Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/444 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Soldier of Light is a Man of Love I wrote: "offer us means to become a better player, a purer Soldier of Light, but you have joined the opponent and are playing against yourself." I just wanted to add that Love is the weapon of choice for Soldier of Light. Rainbow-colored shiny soft bullets with a golden aura that penetrate your heart and make your being bloom. Some/most people read different kind of meanings of connotations into the word soldier, and I just wanted to make sure you understood what I had in mind :) The possibility of being misunderstood bothered me. Now, anybody wanna play this game? :D Love yourselves, Samu Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/445 From: J J Dewey Subject: Do you friends realize that you have come closer to solving the mystery of the Beast in a few hours than the religious world has in two thousand years? And most of you are not even Bible thumpers! You have all made some great observations. I wish I could comment on every post but that is of course impossible. Garrett Ward made a statement in the direction we are seeking: "The positive use of authority would allow free will. The people could make their own decisions. (freedom)" The negative use of authority would not allow free will. Those in authority would want (demand?) to make all decisions for the people. (control) Actually negative authority often takes a person away from his power of decision by deception rather than force, but sometimes force is involved. Samu also hit the nail on the head: "Seems to me that the worst kind of self-deception and negative use of authority would be to give away the authority from Self to something outside, be it beast or whatever." Most of the sects see the beast as a great world antichrist dictator that will arrive on the scene just before the end of the world. They have been expecting him to show up any moment for many years. Some thought it was Hitler, but he wasn't quite awesome enough. If they had read the writings of John they would have not been so deceived. I John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. To fully understand this scripture you must realize that if you acknowledged Jesus as your authority rather than Caesar you were put to death. John here was acknowledging that this terrible misuse of authority made it clear that the antichrist or beast was already in the world. If the antichrist or beast was already in the world 2000 years ago then why are the religious still waiting for him to surface? Answer: They are deceived by the beast itself. They have followed authorities who have mislead then instead of looking at the source. Notice how the authority of Jesus is described. Matt 7:28-29And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. The scribes were the ones the people looked to as authorities in scripture, yet there was something about the authority of Jesus that was different. What was it? Here Jesus spoke boldly against the negative use of authority: Matt 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. How does a similar use of authority keep people from entering the Kingdom of Heaven today?? Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/446 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: The answer So the answer to the question 'What is the Beast is Authority', as in Verse 2? Maybe there'll be more questions on this subject, but the little bible I brought to work today (hahaha, boy there's a good one!) says that the "dragon invested him with his power and his throne and great authority". I need time now to understand why the beast is authority. Why wasn't it the dragon for instance, because the dragon gave the beast those 3 things? Why wasn't it "power" or "throne". And WHAT is the beast = authority = is what Idon't understand. I understand giving away one's authority, as an author of a book would give away all rights of authorship, etc., or I would give someone else authority over my life, as in wife/husband, etc. which leads to all kinds of irresponsibility and claims for blame. I'm glad this one was over quickly. These intuitive searches make me SO HIGH! :)o LeLona~O~ Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/447 From: BobNancy Services Subject: Re: The answer Thanks LeLona, for saying it first. From where I view the world, the *essential core* of the Beast is not authority. Authority is something bestowed upon the Beast from the outside, not something essential to its nature. What is essential to its nature is The Lie--from center to periphery, from tip to toe, there is nothing truthful about the Beast. Authority, as a vehicle or garment, is actually yet another lie when worn by the Beast. Also from where I view the world, a more useful question might be "Why do we accept the Beast as Authority, when this is not its true nature?" Seeking for truth, with warmth, Nancy Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/448 From: Dave Curtis Subject: Re: You Are Right Sir! J J Dewey wrote: "THE NEXT QUESTION:" "Almost all powers and energies are dual." "What is the positive and negative use of authority?" "Obviously the beast is uses negative authority because: "The dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." Verse 2" Authority in a positive light, is like John. It's more of a guidance, or influence to help point you down the right path. Like signs on Freeway off ramps that say 'Wrong Way'. You have the freedom to go that direction if you so desire, but you will have to take responsibility for whatever happens when you do. Authority in a negative light is like the preacher who uses the threat of Hell to control you. The abuser who beats you to keep you under his power. He is the one who will use fear and the threat of terrible things to control you. I'm sure there is more to it, but this is where my thoughts are taking me right now. -- Peace and Love, Dave Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/449 From: "James Bryan" Subject: Caution Caution, the following post was received from another list that I am on. I thought that you may enjoy reading it since it touches on our recent conversation. Put your Intuit hats on and read with caution. Begin: I was listening to the Art Bell show Friday night, with Ed Dames on the program. I thought this might be of interest to some, I know that some like Ed and some do not care for his predictions but for those that do, Ed has been remote viewing parts of the book of Revelation, dealing with the mark of the beast, and the false prophet and such. In his remote viewing he says that the mark of the beast will be an aids vaccine. He says that the vaccine is being developed now and that it will be ready for distribution in a little over three years, and will start with babies in the hospital and children in school, and on to everyone else. He states that this vaccine will cause a division in our culture, those that have it and those that don't. He even suggests that, based on the scriptures, those that don't have it may not be able to buy or sell. He seems to see this happening under the opening of the seventh seal. He also said that they have fixed a time on the kill shot from the sun, based on the remote viewing of these areas that it will happen in 2001, along with these other events. He stated that fixing the exact time of the sun event was arrived at by remote viewing these other events. He also stated that they had difficulty in remote viewing the false prophet, because it apparently does not have a soul as most of us do. He also saw those that refused the mark of the beast would be gathering together in groups in certain areas, most likely for support and to help each other. As I understand it Ed seems to think this is important and will continue to work in these areas. He is also going to remote view the case of Dr. Reed, the one that encountered an object and an alien, which he killed in the State of Washington two years ago. If anyone is interested you can hear Dr. Reed's story on the Art Bell archives, Wed. night/Thur. morning show 11/11/98. I found it very interesting and Art has the pictures of the object and alien on his site. He is suppose to be back on hopefully this week to finish his story. I thought I would pass this on for those who have an interest in it. There are many that speak too quickly, I myself prefer to wait until all the evidence is in, then decide. Michael End. Anybody got any thoughts on this? Light, Love and Power One for All and All for One! TwinStorms AKA James Bryan Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/450 From: J J Dewey Subject: Authority Revisited I see that you are not accepting me as part of the beast - that is an unquestioned and unproven authority. Therefore, instead of just declaring myself correct and letting it go at that I'll have to explain further. Lelona writes: "So the answer to the question 'What is the Beast is Authority', as in Verse 2? Maybe there'll be more questions on this subject, but the little bible I brought to work today (hahaha, boy there's a good one!) says that the "dragon invested him with his power and his throne and great authority"." "I need time now to understand why the beast is authority. Why wasn't it the dragon for instance, because the dragon gave the beast those 3 things? Why wasn't it "power" or "throne". And WHAT is the beast = authority = is what I don't understand. I understand giving away one's authority, as an author of a book would give away all rights of authorship, etc., or I would give someone else authority over my life, as in wife/husband, etc. which leads to all kinds of irresponsibility and claims for blame." First remember that "authority" is the key word or principle behind power the beast has over humankind not the beast itself. In addition to authority verse two says that he has "power" and a "seat" (or throne). Now you can have a seat with no power or authority and you can have power with no authority or seat, but if you have authority you can always obtain power and a seat where you have something to rule over. When people recognize you have authority they will immediately give you power, but if they only see you have power only they will sometimes run away to avoid wrong use of that power. Hitler had power and a seat even to the people of the United States, but he only had authority with the German people this gave him power to be a beast to them. Therefore when the dragon gives the beast authority he automatically gives power and a seat (or some type of position from which to command). The Beast itself is a giant world thought form that is a vehicle for the dragon to establish his authority. The dragon gives authority to the beast but he owns the beast so he has lost nothing and still has control. In addition to this Nancy writes: "From where I view the world, the *essential core* of the Beast is not authority. Authority is something bestowed upon the Beast from the outside, not something essential to its nature. What is essential to its nature is The Lie--from center to periphery, from tip to toe, there is nothing truthful about the Beast. Authority, as a vehicle or garment, is actually yet another lie when worn by the Beast." "Also from where I view the world, a more useful question might be "Why do we accept the Beast as Authority, when this is not its true nature?" Remember the importance of seeing the exactness in the words of a teacher such as John who wrote the Book of Revelation? Notice that the word "Lie" is never used in connection with the beast? Actually, the beast will often use the truth to increase his authority and the deception to accept his authority comes from our own self deception and has little to do with the beast itself. "To thine own self be true" is not something one can do until he reaches a certain degree of evolution; therefore the beast does not even have to lie. Take the former Soviet Union. Communism there was established on a true principle of equality, sharing and equal rights. Why didn't it work? Because the beast demanded unquestioned authority and this turned good into evil. It is good that we help the poor but if we submit to an authority that takes all of our money and gives it to the poor then we will be poor too. Unquestioned or unproven authority is always a destroying energy. To further understand and clarify this I have two more questions. Why is this thought form with great authority called a beast? The beast was created out of the "sea." (verse 1) What is the sea that created the beast? The answer to this is given in chapter 17. As we put the pieces of this chapter together I think the keyword of authority will begin to make a lot of sense. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/451 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Authority Revisited JJ writes: "I see that you are not accepting me as part of the beast - " I'm not ignoring your response and additional questions. I'm at work, and need time at home tonight to put all this together. Thank you for explaining. LeLona Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/452 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Authority Revisited JJ wrote: "First remember that "authority" is the key word or principle behind power the beast has over humankind not the beast itself." *snip* "The Beast itself is a giant world thought form that is a vehicle for the dragon to establish his authority." "The dragon gives authority to the beast but he owns the beast so he has lost nothing and still has control." Yes!!! Chills of confirmation all over again. This is what I tried to explain in my previous post when I was talking about deception and illusion. I have a long way to go finding the right words and learn to clearly express myself, but I am having pure fun in the joyful process of learning :) "To further understand and clarify this I have two more questions. Why is this thought-form with great authority called a beast?" This one has me scratching my head. Maybe I should know more about the background and history of English words to understand this one better. A beast... makes me think of something non-human. This would make it seem something outside and alien to us, and that's the kinda stuff we tend to be scared of, no? And I think the scary part here is that even if it seems to be outside, we have created it inside but project it outside and this may make it look like something we can not fight, 'cause it's looks like it's out there, unreachable. But truth is we have the control and the power, within. I know I will do my best not to place my focus or source anywhere 'outside'. "The beast was created out of the "sea." (verse 1) What is the sea that created the beast? The answer to this is given in chapter 17." My first thought when I read the question was that it is emotions, fearful ones. I have hardly ever read any bible except for what was mandatory in school, which wasn't that much. Funny thing that for the last couple of months, before joining this list, I've had a feeling and unexplainable urge to get the Book and read it under the light of my current understanding, I had a long discussion about this with a friend of mine not too long ago. Anyway, I now went to the web pages Rob shared with us and there it clearly states: "15 Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages." A prostitute sells him or herself. That is letting somebody else use your body for their interests. But you are the one who made the choice and allowed this to happen. Water often symbolizes emotions. The chapter also talks about wine, an intoxicating form of water. Now, this also as an answer to a question posed to the group earlier, could it be that a modern day version of this is when we are letting society or the system or whatever exploit our beings when we yield and become a mindless part of the machinery where we feel that somebody out there is in control and we *have to* do things a certain way? This also jumppered at me in chapter 13: "11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon." "12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed." "13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men." "14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived." So, the beastie dude had a fatal wound but it seemed to have healed. Then Comes another looking like a lamb and speaking like he'd have the authority (beast) but in reality he's the one trying to use that principle to gain that power (dragon). The second one makes us worship the first one, like it says an *image* of him. And yes they seem put on an impressive show with fire and everything, but come on, am I the only one to whom it seems that it's all just based on lie and deception and a bunch of hairy power hungry horn headed selfish creatures pointing at each other trying to make us confused and lose our own Soul connection and start fearing them, when they are the one whose actions are based on fear??? Ya can't fool me :D I also find the end part of chapter 17 very interesting, and hope we can discuss it later. I never knew or should I say had forgotten that you could find all this stuff in the Bible :) Guess I should rehash this old ageless wisdom within. Peace to ya peoples, Samu Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/453 From: JOHN KOSIOR Subject: Re: Authority Revisited J J Dewey wrote: "To further understand and clarify this I have two more questions." "Why is this thought form with great authority called a beast?" "The beast was created out of the "sea." (verse 1) What is the sea that created the beast? The answer to this is given in chapter 17." "As we put the pieces of this chapter together I think the keyword of authority will begin to make a lot of sense." Hello All, I was away from my computer for just a few days and have gotten inundated with e- mails. Even now I have over a hundred I haven't perused yet. Interestingly, I find myself going through my messages by list title. That is, I've gone to the beginning and read every "keys" post first. Gee, I guess I like you guys. Imagine that! Anyway, the answer to the second question is indeed given in chapter 17, and goes as follows: "Rev 17:15 "15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (KJV)" As for the first of these two questions, the word "beast" is a thought form which is lower than the thought form of the person using the term. In this sense, it may be considered a neutral word. For within the realm of the beast, it is proper for the beast to act a certain way. The trouble, as I see it, is when one who is designed to live above the beast, gives "authority" to the beast. In a way, that person has subjugated their own authority to a being of lesser intent, rather than acknowledging the highest source of their own wisdom, and following it. The thought that comes to mind here is that if you are waiting for the beast to show up, you're walking backward. That thought form which gives its authority to a lesser thought form has been around since Adam. (And longer, I'm sure) Look forward to each of your comments. In Peace, John Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/454 From: Rick Audette Subject: The Beast I'm seeing the Beast as being something like a group soul whose collective consciousness doesn't add up to that of a human soul. It is more like that of an animal (beast). Through manipulation of the mass-media, the dragon gains control of the beast. An example would be commercials that lead us into debt so that we are ever enslaved to try to keep up with the Joneses. They never show the positive stories, but feed us day and night with stories of crimes so that we will feel we live in unsafe times and need stronger laws and bigger jails. When I was a boy, the news came on in the morning and again a 5p.m. Now it's almost non-stop. When we finally give them enough authority, they can make themselves dictators and remove all of our free will. The churches try to control us by fearing eternal damnation for not following their teachings. The ultimate monster would be a dictator that controls both the government and religion of the world. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/455 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Authority Revisited JJ writes: "I see that you are not accepting me as part of the beast - that is an unquestioned and unproven authority." I guess you could say that. All I know is that I didn't understand the answer and wanted to understand, not just accept the answer given as "gospel" then go around spouting flat truths that mean nothing to me nor to anyone else I would say it to. "First remember that "authority" is the key word or principle behind power the beast has over humankind not the beast itself." Ok, this is where I got off the bus to look at the beast. I thought we were to answer what the beast is, literally. "Now you can have a seat with no power or authority and you can have power with no authority or seat, but if you have authority you can always obtain power and a seat where you have something to rule over. When people recognize you have authority they will immediately give you power, but if they only see you have power only they will sometimes run away to avoid wrong use of that power." Agreed. "The Beast itself is a giant world thought form that is a vehicle for the dragon to establish his authority." "Why is this thought form with great authority called a beast?" Thought form: A thought with form (me) {Authority: "The power or right to give commands; enforce obedience, take action, or make final decisions;" (Webster)} Beast: "originally, any animal except man....qualities like an animal's. One who is brutal, gross, stupid, etc." (Webster) Geesh. I think. Do my thoughts take form? Some of them? All of them? Some can be quite beastly! Is this saying that I give my thoughts the authority to form? "The beast was created out of the "sea." (verse 1) What is the sea that created the beast? The answer to this is given in chapter 17." Clearly, the sea, verse 15, "are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." Therefore, my thoughts merging with multitudes of people in all nations and tongues must create quite a beastly image, especially when opinions are driven by the media promoting fear, racism, war, death and destruction. "As we put the pieces of this chapter together I think the keyword of authority will begin to make a lot of sense." NOW it's beginning to make a WHOLE LOT OF SENSE! Scary! Makes me want to NOT THINK! Especially not to agree with another person's negative thoughts. Thank you for taking the time to allow me to understand. Hopefully, others will too. I *think* I've said what I wanted to say. (By the way, I got my shipment today. THANKS!!!!!!) LeLona Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/456 From: Rick Audette Subject: Freeread URL I am pleased to announce that Rene Mueller, Webmaster at Spiritweb, will be adding the freeread.com URL to the description of the Keys of Knowledge mail-list. The change should be in effect within the next couple of hours. We are so lucky to have a home at his website. What a wonderful brother we have in him. Rick Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/457 From: Brainwise Subject: Re: Authority Revisited Samu wrote: "This one has me scratching my head. Maybe I should know more about the background and history of English words to understand this one better. A beast... makes me think of something non-human." Samu, you obviously did not go to high school with me! : ) Hee Hee, ~B. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/458 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Questions asked today "The scribes were the one's the people looked to as authorities in scripture, yet there was something about the authority of Jesus that was different. What was it?" I'd say that the scribes were authorities in scripture, and Jesus was an authority of the Father. The scribes scribbled down what everyone, including God, said, but Jesus SAID what God said. "Here Jesus spoke boldly against the negative use of authority. Matt 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." "How does a similar use of authority keep people from entering the Kingdom of Heaven today?" For one thing, most people think heaven is in the future and speak as such. For another thing the reward and punishment" idea is predominate from birth to death. And punishment is spoken about more often than reward is. LeLona~O~ Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/459 From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-11-16 of The Keys of Knowledge List Dave, There is a fundamental truth that guides me whenever I encounter the insecurities born of the ego...'each is great in his own place'. A place uniquely chosen by the higher self in order to guide the soul through its journey of becoming. You are perfect and pure. All the enlightenment that IS.. exists within you. Following your highest principle will lead you to an even greater realization of this. Carolyn Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/460 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Questions asked today LeLona Hodges writes: "The scribes were the one's the people looked to as authorities in scripture, yet there was something about the authority of Jesus that was different. What was it?" Some more food for thought. From a Metaphysical dictionary, "Scribes.... represents the thoughts that come to us from other personalities or from books.....there is a faculty of the mind that receives and transcribes upon the tablets of memory every wave of thought that touches the consciousness, whether from the flesh or from Spirit....." "Pharisee....(a page and 1/2!) basically, "old established religious thoughts....a Pharisee observes the forms but neglects the spirit.....the Pharisee, who would keep only the letter of the law...they who are strict in observing the letter usually oppose the spirit of the law...." Also of interest found in this same book is "Sea"......"The sea is Rev. 21:1 that is "no more" is the universal sensate thought of the face, which is to be dissolved and cast into the bottomless pit of nothingness.....The sea also signifies universal Mind, that great realm of unexpressed and unformed thoughts and ideas that contains all-potentiality.....a sea, a state of unrest". LeLona~O~ Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/461 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Hello. My, aren't we quiet today/tonight. Is everyone having a meeting and I'm not invited? Or did everyone ascend and I didn't? LeLona~O~ Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/462 From: Rick Audette Subject: Falling stars Just read in the paper today the peak meteor shower activity will be Tues. morning from 2-4 a.m. Good viewing any time after midnight, tonight. Look to the east towards Leo. Rick Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/463 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: Hello Well...I did not ascend. Still here contemplating the new questions - and not doing too well. My immediate thought on the question, "What is the sea that created the beast?" is the Mind of Man (I should say humans - women & men). Thoughts form within the minds of the masses, usually with the assistance of some supposedly enlightened leader as the catalyst, which then becomes a "belief" of the multitudes. Garrett Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/464 From: "TwinStorms" Subject: Re: "How does a similar use of authority keep people from entering the Kingdom of Heaven today??" The Kingdom of Heaven's location and purpose is what is misunderstood. Jesus used His authority to serve others while the scribes used their authority to only serve themselves. The last paragraph from the Charge of the Goddess of one of the Wiccan paths reads. "And you who think to seek me, know that your seeking and yearning will avail you not, unless you know the Mystery, that if that which you seek you find not within yourself, you will never find it without. For behold, I have been with you from the beginning, and I am that which is attained at the end of desire. I seek the Crown of Wisdom and Understanding That Might and Mercy In balance bring Beauty, Victory and glory Find their foundation In the Kingdom." I do not know who wrote this or when it was written, but it rings true within me. And it is packed full of truths. "If that which you seek you find not within yourself, you will never find it without." Negative use of authority will say to look to some man or religion or government for what you seek. Positive use of authority will direct you inward. So where is the Kingdom of Heaven? Negative use of authority would tell you that "whatever feels good do it", "what have you done for me lately?". How about giving a hungry person a fish when it is well within your means to teach them to fish but you like the feeling of superiority of being that persons source. Or giving the answers to a question instead of teaching how to find them on their own. Watching people belittle themselves by negative talk and other means and not sharing with them who they really are or what potential they have, only to maintain your superiority over them. Positive use of authority would be showing people how to look inside for the Kingdom of Heaven. It is at hand and available to everyone. You know, I guess it's still like when Jesus physically walked the earth. No matter how much things change, some things still remain the same. Light, Love and Power One for All and All for One! TwinStorms AKA James Bryan Whatever you can do, or dream of doing...Begin it. Action has beauty power, and magic in it... Begin it now. We are the Makers of Music, We are the Dreamers of Dreams. (Guess Who said this.) bryan182@bellatlantic.net ICQ 11179055 Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-16/465 From: Monique Anny Perzylo Subject: Re: Revelation- 13 Hi Everyone on this List, Me too, I would like to respond regarding the Beast - 666----I'm going to try to explain as best as I can in words what I am trying to convey with these numbers.... After reading the chapter that was posted on this list, regarding the Beast and the mark on my forehead I had to respond. I had a bicycle accident, 2 weeks ago, in which I smacked my face (parked car) and now have the 'Y' mark on my forehead.... It certainly is notthe Mark of the Beast because I am In Love with ALL there IS (ever since I realized that I AM able to LOVE and God is LOVE, and if I 'm able to LOVE that means that God is Within ME).. So I checked the dictionary for the word YOD....(the 'Y' mark on my forehead) and according to the OXFORD Concise dictionary it means: the 10th and smallest letter of Hebrew Alphabet (OXFORD CONCISE).... So to get back to the 666... if we reverse these numbers, then you will see.... 999. Now in numerology we would add up all the numbers....for example, 6+6+6=18=9 (1+8=9) 9+9+9=27=9 (2+7=9) So what we have here is the number 9 or the number 6..... 3+3=6, 3+3+3=9...... and if you put these numbers together, ............69......you see the YIN/YANG of duality.... so yes, Human Beings do have a 'DUAL' nature within all of us, However, its from this DUALNESS that makes us Search for the missing element ........ of the TRINITY...(3)....The Father, The Son, and The HOLY SPIRIT.... (or, we can state Father/Mother, Son/Daughter and THE HOLY SPIRIT within all of us)..... Now did you see that with your 3rd EYE.....smile, chuckle.... Now to get back to................ 'y' on my forehead....well, geepers, it represents the number 10..... 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9=45=9.......Hence, 10 is OUR CREATOR, or the ONE is ALL and the ALL is ONE......... Well, I hope I didn't get too off-track with this..... It's just that Rob who posted the Revelations-13 on this list signed-off with an eerie feeling and I wanted to show the positive-side of it......I am Marked!!!! chuckle, chuckle.... We are All becoming God-Realization and finally we are finding our way back to the Heart of Our Creator, So In Love, Light and Will I bid you all my brothers and sisters a GOOD NIGHT and a GOODDAY.... Monique Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/466 From: "TwinStorms" Subject: Re: Authority Revisited "The Beast itself is a giant world thought form that is a vehicle for the dragon to establish his authority." "Why is this thought form with great authority called a beast?" Making a decision with another person to consciously give attention to a particular thought will give that thought form and eventually manifest itself. When a sea or multitude of people combine to do this, that thought form (beast) increases in energy exponentially and soon starts to draw or attract energy with a force of magnitude equal to the synergistic effect of the whole. If you walk into a room where there are people yelling and fighting, the atmosphere has a negative charge that can be tangibly felt. This negative energy(A) attracts other negative energy(B). If energy(B) has more authority and power it will absorb energy(A). Just as in the animal kingdom, the strong will usurp over the weak. Thus the thought form has taken on beast like qualities. The law of the jungle, survival of the fittest. On a more positive note, when the Song of 144,000 is sung by a sea or multitude or even the current 80 that are on this list. The positive effect of the Light, Love and Power that is exponentially generated send shock waves Love throughout the Universe. Perfect Time to Sing the Song, anyone care to join me? Hey John, care to strike up the Band? We thank you Father that you have revealed to us your protective universal light; that within this light is complete protection from all destructive forces; that the Holy Spirit of Your Presence permeates us in this light, and wherever we will the light to descend. We thank you Father that you fill us with your protective fires of Love; that within this love is complete protection from all destructive thoughts and feelings; that the consciousness of Christ is lifted up in us in this love, and wherever we will the love to be enflamed. We thank you Father that you are in us and we are in you; that through us Your Will is sent forth on wings of power; that Your Purpose is accomplished on earth as it is in heaven; that through us Your Light and Love and Power is manifest to all the Sons and Daughters of Mankind. Light, Love and Power One for All and All for One! TwinStorms AKA James Bryan Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/467 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Hello. LeLona, I don't know about anyone else but I have been wracking my poor little brain over the newest of JJ's questions. I was kinda hoping someone would start the ball rolling and throw out some new ideas. Otherwise, I have been just sort of sitting here with all my thinking capacities stuck in neutral. Diane Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/468 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Authority Revisited J J Dewey wrote: "To further understand and clarify this I have two more questions." "Why is this thought form with great authority called a beast?" "The beast was created out of the "sea." (verse 1) What is the sea that created the beast? The answer to this is given in chapter 17." As an archetype, the animal stands for the lowest instinctive levels of the subconscious. The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols says, 'the animal, the beast in us which so embarrasses Judeo- Christian morality is the fullness of those deep seated forces which drive us...........animals named by Adam (in the OT) represent human passions, which, like the wild beasts, must be brought under control............animals embody partial identifications with man, aspects, images of his complex nature, mirrors of his secret motivations and of subjugated or uncontrolled instincts..............' Perhaps then the Beast is a symbol of our basest and largely unconscious desires. The fact that the beast was created out of the sea adds weight to this. The same dictionary says that, 'because of their apparently limitless extent, seas and oceans are images of the primal undifferentiated state of primal formlessness..... In Ancient Egyptian mythology, the coming into being of Earth and life was conceived in terms of emergence from the ocean.........creation, even that of gods themselves, arose from the primeval waters................. But monsters rise from its depths, and so the sea is an image of the unconscious which has currents of its own which may be either lethal or regenerative.............." The dictionary then discusses the OT view of the sea or abyss as often being a symbol of God's enmity and notes that 'in the NT, St. John rhapsodizes on the new world in which there will be no more sea' (Rev 21:1). It also gives examples of Christian mystics who took the sea as a symbol of the human heart as the seat of the passions. So perhaps we are being told that the beast is a symbol of our collective unconscious or undifferentiated desires/passions representing our own will rather than that of our Creator's, with this viewpoint being reinforced by having the beast rise up out of the sea, another symbol of our lower nature. It is this lower nature that wields authority over all who have not 'tamed' it ie who have not subjugated and yielded it to Divine Will and Love. All love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The opinions in this email are my own, and not those of the voices which tell me what to do. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/469 From: J J Dewey Subject: To Sing Again Just talking about the "beast" has caused a "disturbance in the force" so to speak, but I feel it is important to at least cover the essentials here for the people of Light must understand the enemy that has overcome them time and time again in ages hence in order to prevail in this life. I would like some comments from the group as to whether you would like the long version or the short version in studying Revelations Chapter 13. Meanwhile let us shift our attention for now to a most positive subject: The Song of the 144,000. I would advise everyone who is saying it regularly to memorize the song so the right words will come out without even trying to remember. That way you can put your full attention on the meaning. There is one more important thing you can do to heighten the spiritual vibration and that involves using the OM. This is not mentioned yet in the book because it was written to appeal to all belief systems and some standard Bible believers are prejudiced against Eastern terms just as some New Agers equate the Bible with television Preachers. Before you say the song, sound one long OM as long as your breath lasts and is comfortable. Sound it in a note that seems to feel right to you. This alone will heighten the vibration. If you have plenty of time then after sounding the long OM sound 12 short OM's right afterwards. Do not count the number but sound it in what seems to be about twelve times with the last OM being extended to as long as is comfortable. Then in between each of the three verses sound the OM again and visualize the group and the fulfillment of the words just spoken. Finally when you finish the last verse sound the AUM in three breaths as follows. First Breath: AAAAAHHHHH -- Second Breath: OOOOOOOOOO (as in Moon) -- Third Breath: MMMMMMMMM As you sound this visualize the group as a center for the distribution of light and love and power to the extent that the earth is transformed and heaven and earth are brought together. Hope this helps. I sense that some (maybe all) of us need a spiritual shot in the arm. Meanwhile go ahead and contemplate the previous questions under discussion and I will give my comments soon. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/470 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: Hello. LeLona wrote: "Is everyone having a meeting and I'm not invited? Or did everyone ascend and I didn't?" Not a chance, Lelona! How could we even THINK of not having you around?? ~B, Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/471 From: Brian Weis Subject: Re: To Sing Again JJ wrote: "I would like some comments from the group as to whether you would like the long version or the short version in studying Revelations Chapter 13." Long version, please. I am enjoying this probe of Biblical scriptures. ~B. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/472 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: To Sing Again Brainwise writes: "Long version, please. I am enjoying this probe of Biblical scriptures." ~L. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/473 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: To Sing Again The long version will give more understanding, I believe, so that's what I will vote for, please. Diane Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/474 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: To Sing Again OOOOOOEEEEE, A disturbance in the force. Just last night I was wondering if we were going through one of those low energy node thingees you talked about in the book. Could that be why the list went kinda quiet on Monday? Om is the only "mantra" I've ever felt comfortable using. So far, the use of non English words in prayer/meditation has always inhibited me from reaching deep levels. When you started talking of using Om with the song, the hairs on the back of my neck stood up, the way they do when I hear Handle's chorus or J. S. Bach. I cried out, Yes, yes, oh thank you, yes. Guess that means it felt right. I'd also like the long Rev., please. I can never get enough of Johnny. One (of the boys in the Band), Rick Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/475 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Authority Revisited Glenys, your post was very good. I got a lot out of it. Thank you! I can just see the beast rising up out of the sea, standing there in the sand with John watching. I don't know if that's why the list was so quiet yesterday, the beast rousing, but I do know I've been reminded just how vulnerable I can be when I give in to it, and using the technique JJ used I reflected back on my healing and reclaim it. Then I'm fine. LeLona~O~ Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/476 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: Authority Revisited Bryan writes: "The Beast itself is a giant world thought form that is a vehicle for the dragon to establish his authority." Sounds to me then a more complete answer to: What is the Beast is: The Dragon's Authority or, The beast is a giant world thought form. THERE! NOW I FEEL BETTER! Hahahaha LeLona~O~ Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/477 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Monique's Y Monique writes: "It's from this DUALNESS that makes us Search for the missing element........of the TRINITY...(3)....The Father, The Son, and The HOLY SPIRIT.... (or, we can state Father/Mother, Son/Daughter and THE HOLY SPIRIT within all of us)..... Now did you see that with your 3rd EYE.....smile, chuckle...." Wow, Monique! That's beautiful! I never thought of it that way, that from our dualness we search for the missing element of the trinity. I think it's Holy Spirit/wholly spirit. Chuckle, chuckle, 3rd eye indeed! This is brilliant! LeLona~O~ Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/478 From: Dave Curtis Subject: Re: Revelation- 13 Monique Anny Perzylo wrote: "So to get back to the 666... if we reverse these numbers, then you will see.... 999. Now in numerology we would add up all the numbers....for example, 6+6+6=18=9 (1+8=9") "9+9+9=27=9 (2+7=9)" Interesting you mention that. If you take my First, Middle, and Last name and put them all together, you get the number 999. Which obviously translates into 9+9+9=27, 2+7=9. Here is my question...what do you think this means for me? =) -- Peace and Love Dave Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/479 From: Dave Curtis Subject: Re: To Sing Again J J Dewey wrote: "I would like some comments from the group as to whether you would like the long version or the short version in studying Revelations Chapter 13." I think the longer version would be more beneficial. A voice in my head says, "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it." -- Peace and Love, Dave Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/480 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Authority Revisited LeLona Hodges wrote: "Glenys, your post was very good. I got a lot out of it. Thank you! I can just see the beast rising up out of the sea, standing there in the sand with John watching." Just like in 'Godzilla' :-))) "I don't know if that's why the list was so quiet yesterday, the beast rousing, but I do know I've been reminded just how vulnerable I can be when I give in to it, and using the technique JJ used I reflected back on my healing and reclaim it. Then I'm fine." That's great! All these little victories we have remind me that we're heading for a stupendous victory and there is coming a time when the beast will no longer have authority or power to wage war against the saints. It's great to be on a winning side! BTW, I'll go with the consensus, JJ - the long version please. I need all the re-educating I can get :-) All love Glenys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The opinions in this email are my own, and not those of the voices which tell me what to do. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/481 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Mind Games Try this out when you get time !!!! Three Mind Tricks Below: The Jedi mind trick. DON'T CHEAT! Jedi Mind Trick This little Jedi mind trick is kinda freaky, till you think about it a little while. Then it's even more weird. Just follow the instructions below: DON'T scroll down too fast-do it slowly and follow the instructions below exactly, do the math in your head as fast as you can. It may help to say the answers aloud quietly. FOLLOW these instructions one at a time and as QUICKLY as you can! What is: 2+2? 4+4? 8+8? 16+16? Quick! Pick a number between 12 and 5. Got it? Now scroll down... The number you picked was 7, right? Isn't that weird??? synaptic wiring? Check out the following exercise, guaranteed to freak you out. There's no trick or surprise. Just follow these instructions, and answer the questions one at a time and as quickly as you can! Again, as quickly as you can but don't advance until you've done each of them...really. Now, ARROW down (but not too fast, you might miss something)... What is: 1+5 2+4 3+3 4+2 5+1 Now repeat saying the number 6 to yourself as fast as you can for 15 seconds. Then scroll down. QUICK!!! THINK OF A VEGETABLE! Then arrow down. Keep going. You're thinking of a carrot right? If not, you're among the 2% of the population whose minds are warped enough to think of something else. 98% of people will answer with carrot when given this exercise. Freaky, huh? Here is another one DON'T CHEAT BY SCROLLING DOWN FIRST! It only takes 30 seconds. Work this out as you read. Don't read the bottom until you've worked it out! 1. First of all, pick the number of days a week that you would like to eat out. 2. Multiply this number by 2. 3. Add 5. 4. Multiply it by 50. 5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1748. If you haven't, add 1747. 6. Last step: Subtract the four digit year that you were born. SEE BELOW You should now have a three digit number: The first digit of this was your original number (i.e. how many times you want to go out each week). The second two digits are your age!!! This is the only year (1998) it will ever work, so spread the fun around while it lasts... Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/482 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: To Sing Again J J Dewey wrote: "Just talking about the "beast" has caused a "disturbance in the force" so to speak, ...........Hope this helps. I sense that some (maybe all) of us need a spiritual shot in the arm." My perception is that many have been feeling out of sorts, bad tempered, disorientated and depressed over the last few days. Some are saying that it's due to solar magnetic fluxes and changes in the earth's magnetic grid. JJ, I'd be interested in your views as to whether planetary energies ARE, in fact, affecting us in this way and to what extent, or whether it's something more insidious like the Beast being exposed or discussed. In any event, it's great to hear that there's more wwe can be doing to enhance to power of the Song by saying the OM. And I have to agree, memorizing it is the only way to go. It enables one to concentrate on what one is trying to achieve by saying it rather than the more mechanical process of reading it. All love Glenys Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/483 From: Cuiston@... Subject: Re: Mind Games How'd you do that? Neat Thanks for brain exercise no.? for the day. Linda Post No. keys-l: /1998-46/484 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: Long version please, Joseph. Thanks! I find the postings here regarding the beast very fascinating. I'm learning more than I thought I could. This paragraph from Glenys really stimulated my mind: "So perhaps we are being told that the beast is a symbol of our collective unconscious or undifferentiated desires/passions representing our own will rather than that of our Creator's, with this viewpoint being reinforced by having the beast rise up out of the sea, another symbol of our lower nature. It is this lower nature that wields authority over all who have not 'tamed' it ie: who have not subjugated and yielded it to Divine Will and Love." I was just wondering if every civilization that evolved to the point we're at will also have their own beast(s)? Like some kind of prerequisite to becoming mentally polarized? We're supposedly entering the Age of Aquarius--the age of the mind. It's symbol is a person pouring water from a jug. Since water corresponds to emotions, perhaps this symbolizes an age when the masses finally learn to intelligently express their lower self desires/passions. This cross checks w/ Revelations 13. Like Glenys said, perhaps our collectively, unexpressed (or wrongly expressed) lower self desires have built up over the ages to the point where they now have the potential to bite us back. And the adversary (the dragon?) wants to use this great thought form as a channel to do his dirtiest! In other words, what everyone else here has been saying, but put in my own words for my understanding, Rob Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/485 From: J J Dewey Subject: Hint I'm going to respond more fully to your answers when I get a moment but Rob gave a good comment I may overlook if I do not post now. He said: "I was just wondering if every civilization that evolved to the point we're at will also have their own beast(s)?" Notice the beast has seven heads. Rob (TeKnoBabL@aol.com) give a hint here as to what they are Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/486 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Hint JJ wrote: "I'm going to respond more fully to your answers when I get a moment but Rob gave a good comment I may overlook if I do not post now. He said: "I was just wondering if every civilization that evolved to the point we're at will also have their own beast(s)?" "Notice the beast has seven heads. Rob (TeKnoBabL@aol.com) give a hint here as to what they are." It's too late and I'm too tired to go into a full blown babble :D (besides, I'm intent on getting up at 3 am in a few hours to catch the sparkly lions falling down from the skies :) but what I read above had me thinking of continents, and the number of seas. I am not really sure why though. Much love, Samu Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/487 From: Imona Journey Subject: Re: Digest No. 1998-11-17 of The Keys of Knowledge List Ruth went to her mail box and there was only one letter. She picked it up and looked at it before opening, but then she looked at the envelope again. There was no stamp, no postmark, only her name and address. She read the letter: "Dear Ruth, I'm going to be in your neighborhood Saturday afternoon and I'd like to stop by for a visit. Love Always, Jesus" Her hands were shaking as she placed the letter on the table. "Why would the Lord want to visit me? I'm nobody special. I don't have anything to offer." With that thought, Ruth remembered her empty kitchen cabinets. "Oh my goodness, I really don't have anything to offer. I'll have to run down to the store and buy something for dinner." She reached for her purse and counted out its contents. Five dollars and forty cents. "Well, I can get some bread and cold cuts, at least." She threw on her coat and hurried out the door. A loaf of French bread, a half-pound of sliced turkey, and a carton of milk...leaving Ruth with grand total of twelve cents to last her until Monday. Nonetheless, she felt good as she headed home, her meager offerings tucked under her arm. "Hey lady, can you help us, lady?" Ruth had been so absorbed in her dinner plans, she hadn't even noticed two figures huddled in the alleyway. A man and a woman, both of them dressed in little more than rags. "Look lady, I ain't got a job, ya know, and my wife and I have been living out here on the street, and, well, now it's getting cold and we're getting kinda hungry and, well, if you could help us, lady, we'd really appreciate it." Ruth looked at them both. They were dirty, they smelled bad and, frankly, she was certain that they could get some kind of work if they really wanted to. "Sir, I'd like to help you, but I'm a poor woman myself. All I have is a few cold cuts and some bread, and I'm having an important guest for dinner tonight and I was planning on serving that to Him." "Yeah, well, okay lady, I understand. Thanks anyway." The man put his arm around the woman's shoulders, turned and headed back into the alley. As she watched them leave, Ruth felt a familiar twinge in her heart. "Sir, wait!" The couple stopped and turned as she ran down the alley after them. "Look, why don't you take this food. I'll figure out something else to serve my guest." She handed the man her grocery bag. "Thank you lady. Thank you very much!" "Yes, thank you!" It was the man's wife, and Ruth could see now that she was shivering. "You know, I've got another coat at home. Here, why don't you take this one." Ruth unbuttoned her jacket and slipped it over the woman's shoulders. Then smiling, she turned and walked back to the street...without her coat and with nothing to serve her guest. "Thank you lady! Thank you very much!" Ruth was chilled by the time she reached her front door, and worried too. The Lord was coming to visit and she didn't have anything to offer Him. She fumbled through her purse for the door key. But as she did, she noticed another envelope in her mailbox. "That's odd. The mailman doesn't usually come twice in one day." She took the envelope out of the box and opened it. "Dear Ruth, It was so good to see you again. Thank you for the lovely meal. And thank you, too, for the beautiful coat. Love Always, Jesus" Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/488 From: White Light Subject: seven.... Hi... :-) I am new to the list and just jumping in here... but thought I would offer my answer... :-) Joseph wrote: "Notice the beast has seven heads. Rob (TeKnoBabL@aol.com) give a hint here as to what they are." My answer would be that the seven heads would also be known as the Seven Deadly Sins. In love and service, Kaela ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> Spirit has placed a dream in your heart for a better world, starting with your family, extending to your work, community, country and stretching beyond your nation. Speak your truth and inspire others, for you are meant to make a significant and sizable difference. Mary Manin Morrissey Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/489 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: Hint (Garrett, as usual, asleep in the back row of the class, drooling on his desk and snoring as Professor Dewey teaches the lesson of the day, awakes with a snort.) Let's see...seven heads...other civilizations...could it be that past civilizations such as Atlantis, Lemuria and others were afflicted with the same beast we are dealing with now? Garrett (still rubbing my eyes) Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/490 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Long version please, Joseph. Rob, Your words are very good for understanding for me too. We get a collective thought or desire that builds up to the point where it becomes a living thing and may be used against us. We then must change the direction of this thought or desire to defuse the dragon so he may NOT do his dirtiest. The newest addition to the song will make our new collective thoughts more powerful as we fight the dragon. Diane Post No. keys-l:/1998--11-17/491 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Hint From: Garrett Ward "(Garrett, as usual, asleep in the back row of the class, drooling on his desk and snoring as Professor Dewey teaches the lesson of the day, awakes with a snort.)" Very Good Garrett, This goes along with Kaela's statement that it's the seven deadly sins. All ages are faced with the same temptations. Diane Post No. keys-l:/1998-/492 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: seven.... (Throwing a wet paper wad to across the room....knocked him out cool.... !) But it specifically says that the 7 heads are 7 hills, and the 10 horns are 10 cities. I think that's in 17 or so. As in the first part, now we aren't going to take it literally? Could be 7 chakras too. Could be the kundalini rising. LeLona~O~ Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/493 From: JOHN KOSIOR Subject: Re: seven.... Really funny, LeLona! I agree wholeheartedly. Your Friend, John Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/494 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: seven Ganging up on me, eh? Let's pull out the ol' King James just to check (I like the pluperfect tense): Revelation 17, verse 12: And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. How can the translations from the Greek be so different? Cities, kings??? Seems to me that if one is to make any sense out of the Bible, one must know the symbolic "keys". To answer your question "aren't we going to take it literally?" I think it is possible that we have a symbol within a symbol at least on the 7 hills and maybe on the 10 kings. Seven hills doesn't mean anything to me. And Lelona, thanks for the wakeup spitwad. Garrett Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/495 From: BrIan Weis Subject: Re: Mind Games you wrote: "You're thinking of a carrot right?" "If not, you're among the 2% of the population whose minds are warped enough to think of something else. 98% of people will answer with carrot when given this exercise. Freaky, huh?" Oh no!!! I thought of okra! ~B. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/496 From: "Mindy" Subject: beast Hi all, I too, seem to have been slumbering this week. Beasts symbolize the sum of difficulties to be overcome. The battle to be fought before the reward is achieved. It rises out of a sea of doubts. Lower self desires such as greed, envy and the like are what it feeds upon. That was simply mumbling in my sleep...Now I'll awaken and read. Love to all, Mindy Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/497 From: drdcook Subject: Long Version Joseph Thank you all for the wonderful words of wisdom....especially Joseph. God Bless You All.........oh, I see he has..... ;-) Denise Terry Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/498 From: LeLona Hodges Subject: Re: seven You wouldn't believe how many books I'm pouring through trying to find something about the beast, etc. Then one thing led to another, which finally led me back to Book II. Page 234 "So did Jesus, or Joshua as you call him live 1000 lives?" "At least that many," said John. "I indicated this in my Book of Revelation chapter 19 verse 12. I stated that on the head of Christ were many crowns. Tell me: how do you suppose Christ received many crowns when he is only recorded as living to the age of 33?" "Could the many crowns have something to do with many lifetimes?" I asked. "Correct", he said. "Each crown here represents a life where a great victory was achieved......" Now Revelation 19:12 doesn't sound anything like that: "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew but he himself". Now how in the heck would anyone know the bible is saying that many crowns are many victories of past lifetimes? Also, take a look at page 218 animal magnetism - lion, various animals within-lower five centers are animal entities. Hmmmmm....me thinketh all ansthers are in Book II saith the dodo bird. LeLona~O~ Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/499 From: TeKnoBabL Subject: Re: 7 heads Hint JJ writes: "Notice the beast has seven heads. Rob (TeKnoBabL@aol.com) give a hint here as to what they are." I gave a hint? Cool! And I didn't even realize it . . .uh, I mean. . .I knew that. :-) Lelona wrote: "But it specifically says that the 7 heads are 7 hills. . .As in the first part, now we aren't going to take it literally?" In Rev Ch 17:9-10, regarding the 7 heads the angel says, "The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come . . ." But the weird thing is the preceding verse describes the beast as a whole who ". . .once was, now is not, and yet will come. . ." Rev 17:8 To make things sound even more bizarre there's only 1 woman riding the back of the beast in verse 3, but in verse 9 she's sitting on each of the seven heads (or hills) which would mean there would have to be 7 women also. I think this chapter is describing only 1 woman riding on only 1 beast. All the posts I've been reading have been making light bulbs go on in my head. Here's my interpretation. I think the only way a woman could be riding ONE beast, and at the same time riding on top of each of it's heads (or hills) is that it's referring to it's entire life as a whole yet also describing it's different "lives,'" so to speak. "Rev Ch 17:9-10 "The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come . . ." Translation: The 7 hills are 7 different points in history; each king is a person or group of people in power through which the beast manifests its will; 5 times past the beast has manifested, it was alive during the writing of that verse, and one has yet to come. Any feedback? Rob Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/500 From: "TwinStorms" Subject: Re: 7 heads Hint Rob wrote; "..the beast in verse 3, but in verse 9 she's sitting on each of the seven heads (or hills) which would mean there would have to be 7 women also." Or one really big woman... ;-O Rob wrote: "Translation: The 7 hills are 7 different points in history; each king is a person or group of people in power through which the beast manifests its will; 5 times past the beast has manifested, it was alive during the writing of that verse, and one has yet to come." This rings true with me. Any idea as to what point in history we are in now? Has the one yet to come, arrived? Light, Love and Power One for All and All for One! TwinStorms AKA James Bryan Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/501 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: seven LeLona Hodges wrote: "You wouldn't believe how many books I'm pouring through trying to find something about the beast, etc. Hmmmmm....me thinketh all ansthers are in Book II saith the dodo bird." AHA! Methinks LeLona is right. Diane Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/502 From: Isabelle Subject: Re: 7 heads Hint James wrote: "This rings true with me. Any idea as to what point in history we are in now? Has the one yet to come, arrived?" "Light, Love and Power One for All and All for One! TwinStorms AKA James Bryan" I think this is it... I think it has already happened.. This is a long shot... Way back in some part of this discussion it was stated that the beast was not necessarily good nor evil by definition.. So... it COULD be all good. Could the beast be the present incarnation of the Christ energy which is already here?? Tired and probably way off, Belle Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-17/503 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: seven Kingdoms and cities: In them thar days, a city was not just a big town. It was more a city-state. Each city was a small kingdom, with its' own king. As the influence of a city expanded, it might become a nation, but the Kingdom itself was the seat of power located in the main city. The 7 hills could mean 7 continents, but Antarctica is one of the 7 and doesn't seem like it has enough population to fit the equation. The ancient city of Rome was built on 7 hills and was referred to as such, then and now. Perhaps we are looking at 10 world powers that have common roots with Rome. No that can't be it, because it says the hills are also kings, 5 of which had already fallen, one was then, and one was yet to come. So, the astrological ages begin to look like the answer. I was looking for the length of an age, but couldn't find it here. I think I remember they are about 2,900 years, roughly. If we are just beginning the Aquarian, counting back 6x2,900 = 17,400. That would put us smack dab in the middle of the Atlantean Empire days. Isn't that when this whole "beastly" thing first began to be a problem? Rick Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/504 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: Re: Mind Games Brian Weis wrote: "You're thinking of a carrot right? If not, you're among the 2% of the population whose minds are warped enough to think of something else. 98% of people will answer with carrot when given this exercise. Freaky, huh?" "Oh no!!! I thought of okra!" Heheheeee... :) And strangely enough, I was thinking about the word itself, vegetable :D Heheee. And the part where most would come up with 7, I was thinking of 8. Now that's freaky. But I guess somebody's gotta be in that 2%... Or the 2 most out there percents of those 2%... :D Let us be odd but even, Samu Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/505 From: Garrett Ward Subject: Re: seven Rob's comment (message 484): "I was just wondering if every civilization that evolved to the point we're at will also have their own beast(s)?" JJ's hint (message 485): "Notice the beast has seven heads. Rob (TeKnoBabl) gave a hint here as to what they are." Perhaps this will help. This is a quote from JJ Dewey from the very first week's posts. (Week 1998-43...Message 24) - (scroll down just past half-way) "The powers that be learned this painful lesson during Atlantis. During part of this period the Masters associated much more freely with humans and gave them much knowledge that they were not yet ready to handle. The result was that the entire civilization was destroyed and we had to start again from scratch." Chalk up one crown for the beast (with the blasphemous title) in Revelation 13, verse 1. So, does this mean that 10 civilizations have been destroyed? That must reach way back into Antiquity, maybe hundreds of thousands of years? It would appear that that the dragon and beast are also very capable of great victories also through their deceptions (great from their point of view - tragic losses for humanity and the Masters). Garrett Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/506 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Re: Mind Games This is interesting. Here is what is said about the mind game.. How it works: the mind goes into a math computation loop. When you see 12 and 5, you automatically subtract. With the addition exercise, each set of numbers total six, so your math loop automatically picks the most commonly mentioned vegetable with six letters. These are interesting exercises because they reveal the operation of what John Lilly calls cognitive loops. Given Lilly's alleged mind control research, this raises interesting questions. The third exercise is basic algebra. Proof is left as an exercise for The reader :) ************************************************************** At least that's the premise. I know of a number of people who picked 8 instead of 7. I picked carrot and didn't know the correlation between the math and the veggie. Diane Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/507 From: Rick Audette Subject: Re: Re: Mind Games I picked carrots 'cause they come in sticks and that rhymes with six. Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/508 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Hint J J Dewey wrote: "I was just wondering if every civilization that evolved to the point we're at will also have their own beast(s)?" "Notice the beast has seven heads. Rob (TeKnoBabL@aol.com) give a hint here as to what they are." Well, the implication here is that 'seven' represents an actual number, either of the civilizations of man or the number of beasts. (On the latter point, it is commonly believed that there have been many beasts throughout history. My bible says the one in revelation was Nero Caesar and I have seen lists of names of the beasts throughout history.) But of course, the number itself has immense symbolism and I thought it may be helpful to outline some of it as I sit here surrounded by reference books. From what I can see, almost all cultures believe seven symbolizes the dynamic perfection of a complete cycle - seven days of the week, seven planets, seven rungs of perfection, seven deadly sins, seven virtues, seven colors of the rainbow, seven notes of the diatonic scale (which governs vibration, the essence of matter), seven days to create the earth and so on. Hypocrites said that through its hidden properties, the number seven maintained all things in being, bestowed life in motion and that its influence extended to heavenly beings. With respect to the creation, God rested on the seventh day and made it holy. The Sabbath is creation's crowning achievement. All my references talk about seven being the symbol for wholeness and as such, it is the key to the Book of Revelation with its seven churches, seven stars, seven spirits of God, seven seals, seven trumpets, seven thunders, seven heads, seven plagues, seven cups, seven kings etc, all of which symbolize the final accomplishment of God's will in the world. The number is also used frequently in the OT, in fact 77 times according to one of my references (I will spare us all the long list!). But it is often used to usher in changes eg: during the capture of Jericho, seven priests with seven trumpets were ordered to walk around the city seven times on the seventh day. Elisha sneezed seven times and a child was healed, Namaan bathed seven times and was healed, seven unblemished creatures were saved from the flood and so on. It is also often used to indicate the passing of one cycle and the beginning of a new one. Interestingly, my 'Dictionary of Symbols' says, 'that is why seven is also the devil's number, since Satan, the 'ape of God', always strives to imitate God - hence the Beast with seven heads (Rev 13:1). However, the visionary of Patmos {that's our John, folks} more usually kept half seven, three and a half, for the powers of evil, thereby showing that the designs of the evil one were doomed to failure (Rev 12:6). For example, the dragon was only able to threaten the Woman, ie: God's people for 1260 days, or three and a half years, and there is a reference to a time, times, and half a time............... Seven is the key to St John's gospel.........and occurs 40 times in the Book of Revelation in groups of seven..............The book is composed in a series of seven. The number also denotes the fullness of a period of time, such as Creation in Genesis........... Seven symbolizes the end of the world and the fullness of time.........seven indicative of rest and cessation {as in God resting on the seventh day} invites humanity to turn to God to repose in him alone......' I could go on but I don't want to make you all doze off. I think the number seven used in the context we're talking about represents the end of an age - an age where humankind has completed a cycle of creation and is returning home to rest and begin the next cycle. I hope I'm right 'cos I bet we could all do with a good rest! All love Glenys Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/509 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Hint Wow! Great work Glenys. I would love to hear more. I am not at all sleepy now. Well, maybe a little but I loved reading your answer. Diane Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/510 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: Hint Diane Linen wrote: "Wow! Great work Glenys. I would love to hear more. I am not at all sleepy now. Well, maybe a little but I loved reading your answer. Diane" Big hugs, Diane! You've made all my two finger typing worthwhile :-) All love (times seven) Glenys Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/511 From: Glenys Lowery Subject: Re: 7 heads Hint TeKnoBabL wrote: "JJ Dewey writes: "Notice the beast has seven heads. Rob (TeKnoBabL) gave a hint here as to what they are." "I gave a hint? Cool! And I didn't even realize it . . .uh, I mean. . .I knew that. :-)" And we knew it too, Rob Glenys Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/512 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: Hint This is the best list I can possibly belong to. I love the people on it and can't thank Rick enough for getting it all started. JJ has asked questions that are so very thought provoking, that my mind spins trying to think of answers but I love the stimulation even if I can't seem to come up with definitive answers. I have to admit that I have never thumped a bible and only read here and there in it a few times in my life. JJ's questions are making this enjoyable. I never would have believed I could enjoy reading it before now. I couldn't put my finger on a precise reason for not believing what certain churches teach about Christianity; it just didn't "feel" right. This is wonderful finding the truth of the bible and not having to rely on misinterpretations. Diane Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/513 From: Samu Karlsson Subject: 7, 3+4 Glenys wrote: "Seven symbolizes the end of the world and the fullness of time.........seven indicative of rest and cessation {as in God resting on the seventh day} invites humanity to turn to God to repose in him alone......'" "I could go on but I don't want to make you all doze off. I think the number seven used in the context we're talking about represents the end of an age - an age where humankind has completed a cycle of creation and is returning home to rest and begin the next cycle." Diane wrote: "Wow! Great work Glenys. I would love to hear more. I am not at all sleepy now. Well, maybe a little but I loved reading your answer. Diane" "Big hugs, Diane! You've made all my two finger typing worthwhile :-) All love (times seven) Glenys" Yes Glenys, I too thoroughly enjoyed your posting and found it very fascinating plus the end lines rang thru within. ^*Thank You*^! :) For some reason I see much harmony and 'raw primitive strength' when number 7 is divided into 3 and 4. Yes, those are also the numbers I've resonated strongly with in this lifetime. I thought, what would I get if solved the simple equation 7*7*7?. Yes, 343. Now, there's harmony :) Then I started wondering about the relationship between the 2 number series 343 and 777. Took my little trustworthy calculator and eureka! The sum of 343 and 434 is... 777!!! Wow :) Might be old info for some of you but I had never discovered that anywhere before here and now. 343+434, there's also something very dualistic about it. And if you play with the series of numbers 343 434, you can rearrange them into 3+4 and 3, plus 4 and 3+4 and you get 7 3+4 7. So now you have a trinity of 777 where the third number of 7 is formed of 3 and 4 that come from the 2 other edges of this oneness, or apexes of the trinity. They are all connected. I see it as a triangle with a 7 in its each apex. I was also thinking about our sun and the planetary family cycling around Alcyone, the great central sun in Pleiades, also known as the Seven Sisters. Alcyone is the 'big sister' around which the other suns revolve, so our solar system is the 8th member of this family, and (since Alcyone is in the middle keeping the whole thing together) the 7th system cycling around Alcyone. Hmmmmm... What about the phrase 7th son of a 7th son? Being Love in 777 Ways, Samu Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/514 From: "Diane Linen" Subject: Re: seven.... OK if it's the 7 chakras, then how does the dragon come in here? Assuming the dragon is our adversary that is. Is it a positive thing to have the kundalini rise or negative? Diane Post No. keys-l:/1998-11-18/515 From: J J Dewey Subject: Authority Explained Dear Friends, It's time to catch up with a few comments. First let me say that I have been impressed with all of your answers and if I had to point out which ones were wrong I don't think I could do so. All your answers contained aspects of the whole truth and I immensely enjoyed reading them all. I know everyone enjoyed Monique's mastery look at the numerology involved. Then Glenys did some great research into Bible Commentary. There was even truth to be found when Lelona and Nancy disagreed with me. Lies may not be the key word we are looking for but the Beast does use lies when necessary to maintain his power. Now we'll go back to the key word and elaborate a little. The positive and negative use of authority. There is a subtle distinction that I have not seen elaborated on before. Positive authority. I talked a little about this in a previous article: "In the true student-teacher relationship authority is only recognized because it is earned. "Let's say you want to learn Spanish and two teachers surface who say they can teach you. They both seem equally convincing, but the truth is that one of them knows the language well and the other one does not. If you accept either as an authority just because he or someone else tells you to, then you have a 50-50 chance of getting a bad teacher. What do you do? You test the teacher. Have him actually speak some Spanish. Give him several paragraphs from English and see if he can translate and then check out the translation for correctness. Finally, you will establish in your mind that one of them can truly teach you. "Once you have tested your teacher then you do not have to check up on him in every little detail; but when you have learned the basics and want to go to advanced Spanish, you do need to check again to see if he has anything more to teach you or if you need to move on to another teacher. Or become a teacher yourself." Thus positive authority is that which has been earned. Such an authority is ready willing and able to prove his or her credibility at any given moment. He does not fear a challenge because he is secure in his ability. Unfortunately there are not very many positive authorities in the world today. Even those who have studied, apprenticed and worked hard at their skill are often the worst authorities to rely on. Take medical doctors for instance. The average doctor dies at around the age of 55 while the rest of us live to 76. Why do we set up those with the lowest life expectancy to be authorities telling us how to be healthy? Wouldn't it make more sense to seek out those who are likely to live to be a hundred? We go to psychologists for authority on mental health and happiness, yet as a profession they have among the highest suicide rate in the world. Thus again we have authorities telling us to be happy when they have not discovered the key themselves. The average person on the street obviously has a greater concept of what makes life worthwhile. We send criminals to the prison authorities to go to a "correctional" facility yet when he is released the authorities have turned him in to a more dangerous person than he was when he began his sentence. We hire politicians as authorities in making laws and spending money and they make laws that the average person realizes make no sense and they spend our money with the intelligence of a ten year old kid who just found a hundred bucks. We set up ministers, priests and evangelists as authorities in scripture and over our spiritual life, yet many of them do not even believe the scriptures and many little old ladies have a better knowledge than they do. Then there are many ministers who have never had a true spiritual experience or have never found Godyet are telling others with the voice of authority how to lead the spiritual life. We cold go on and on. How many lawyers do not have a true sense of the just use of the legal system? How many bosses got their position because of who they know, not because of what they know? Such people often hurt the company and cause much grief to subordinates. Many of these people have worked for a lot of years to earn their position of authority, but they lack just one thing. They have never demonstrated in the real world that which they claim to be able to teach. Just because a doctor has memorized massive amounts of data and procedures does not mean he can heal. Just because a person goes to law school does not give him a just appreciation of the law. Just because a minister gets a church does not mean he is a spiritual man. Even though these people are often no better authorities in their profession than the common sense of the average person most of them have at least gone through some learning process. There are still other authorities that have even bypassed normal learning channels. Thus the false authority is he who cannot demonstrate the truth of that which he claims to teach or practice. One of the main causes of false authority is the use of the power of appointment by another false authority. The power of election (decision) is given to us so we can find our true authorities and place them where they can be useful dispensers of their wisdom and talents. Our elected officials are not perfect but they are much better than appointed ones. The IRS, for instance, consists exclusively of appointed officials and fortunately our elected officials worked this last year to undue some of the problems they created. So let us apply this to the beast. The beast is a thought form under the control of "the dragon" (the Dark Brothers). This thought form covers the entire planet. He causes ALL to "receive the mark" (verse 16). This is why Satan (the adversary of light) is called "the god of this world" in the scriptures. Over 95% of the religious world think the beast has not yet surfaced yet ironically they are under the control of the false authorities (beast) themselves. Now I'll elaborate on several earlier questions: Matt 7:28-29 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. The scribes were the ones the people looked to as authorities in scripture, yet there was something about the authority of Jesus that was different. What was it? This is interesting wording. "For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Why would it say this when the scribes were considered the greatest authorities on the scriptures? The reason was that their only source of authority was their black and white memorization of the scriptures. They knew the words but did not know what they mean. They could never stand up and teach and just say the words off the Spirit pouring through their hearts. They could not teach without quoting some other authority. Jesus, on the other hand, taught new things that were not quotes from any known book and this seemed to demonstrate a new kind of authority they had never seen before, an authority bestowed from within and accepted from within by others. They were so astounded by this authority that did not depend on degrees and books that it is written: Matt 21:23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority? Jesus had an authority that he could demonstrate and no one remembered seeing such a thing in the spiritual realm before. Jesus was the one man in the kingdom who did not have the mark of the beast. One final question we presented earlier: Here Jesus spoke boldly against the negative use of authority Matt 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. How does a similar use of authority keep people from entering the Kingdom of Heaven today?? Go to any church or even a new age movement and try and teach them something contrary to that which their authorities tell them and see what happens. You will often encounter fear and very high resistance. Now remember an authoritative tool of the beast does not have to be a human. It can be a book, crystal or unseen alien, even the Bible itself. If you really want to sense the power of the beast attend any church with an authoritative dogma or leader and just ask a question in Sunday School that forces their minds in the opposite direction of their beastly authority. If you are attending a fundamentalist church and they are talking about having Jesus in your heart and accepting him as your personal savior just say this. "I've read the Bible all the way through and can't find anything about Jesus in the heart. Can you show me in the Bible where it says that or anything about a personal savior?" It is fun to watch the reaction when you ask this question because the ones I have met have never been asked this before. Here is how it went last time I asked this. Me: Find that in the Bible for me please?" Them: A long pause while they try and think of the scripture that at first they are sure exists. Then after about a minute they become aware that it just may not be in the Bible. Then someone says: "Who are you? Where did you come from? Who are you with?" Me: I'm just a student of the truth. Then they start asking other questions. "Are you a Christian? Are you saved by the blood of Jesus? Do you accept Jesus as God? Etc." After a brief interrogation they decide that they want me out as fast as they can get me there. I've had them shout at me, order me out and call the police to arrest me for trespassing at some of the churches I have visited. New age groups seem to be a little more polite but they also get extremely uncomfortable when you ask the wrong questions. I find that I do not fit in groups where they rely on an authority other than the soul or the kingdom within. Thus I have found that I do not fit in with any spiritual group that I have met. Thus do the teachers of religion even today not enter into the kingdom and make sure their congregations