Judy’s Post #1
Dan I think she has probably inadvertently learned this socially detrimental coping mechanism of using vicious vindictive verbal abuse to intimidate others into giving in her primarily because no one has taught her different by standing up to her bullying. Giving in is just easier and less painful than standing up and being subject to escalating abuse.
Judy How untrue. I am very successful in business and if I was such a horrible person then how could I be a valued and well-paid professional in a multi-billion dollar corporation? I am well-spoken and professional with people. I know out-of-line and off-the-wall comments when I hear them and witness it. You can try to utilize all the damage-control you want on this to make your selves look innocent and harmless but I am not fooled and nor are my friends here. I was plainly describing how I saw you and Larry’s unproven and undocumented comments about women. Everything I said to you was true. The words I used that sounded so vicious to you and JJ were “prejudiced”, “pompous”, conjecture”, and “undocumented”. I had no problem with you repeating what I said but the problem was that you took my words out of context with little ” “s before and after them. Therefore, you manipulated JJ as you usually do to only see my words out of context so they sounded way more negative. When in context they are simple observations to the negative comments LWK made first. You have tried to gloss over what LWK said and therefore downplay how and what he said to seem innocuous. I am going to quote verbatim what LWK wrote so that you cannot alter the truth of how hurtful and harmful his original words:
> LWK ” I have often wondered if we should mark the > > beginning of the fall of modern Western > > civilization with the passage of the > > Nineteenth Amendment?” >
LWK “Actually, I meant exactly what I said. It seems to me that the Founders were great examples of thinkers on the mental plane and largely emobided the male energy of reason and logic. On the other hand modern politics seems to be more ruled by female emotional energy. JJ said that male energy is bright and visible whereas female energy was hidden, and magnetic. So it is hard to say whether women getting the vote was a cause, or a sympton (I would lean towards the latter explanation).”
Judy JJ’s only responded to these prejudiced comments as “unusual”. I actually thought he was taken aback by the comments as I was and others that I know here were as they told me they were shocked by them. The fact that JJ did not correct Larry for making such ludicrous comments let me down. I am even more shocked that he has no understanding of how or why such comments would be considered hurtful to women and harmful. I am not going to defend the passage of the 19th amendment as a step forward in evolution. It is not my place to do that but more JJ’s place to make sure his forum stays in integrity and truth. I will not do that as it is more on Larry to prove his theories and not the other way around. To say, that I have to defend women against Larry’s comments is not fair and I will not do it. I will say that his comments are undocumented and to seem to be based on a prejudiced or slanted perspective few have. They are definitely then based on conjecture alone and I doubt Larry could show any statistical evidence to back up his thinking. To then praise LWK for his thinking seems to be inflammatory and would show you agree with his thinking. To now say you only praised him but do not understand how that associates you with his thoughts is illogical. When we praise someone’s thoughts that means we agree with their thoughts.
Dan There you have me, the good, bad, and ugly. For the record and whether right, wrong or otherwise, I don’t consider “enabling” to be a loving behavior and standing up to someone for their own as well as group good may very well be the most truly loving thing one could do.
Judy I still see you as prejudiced in your thinking about women or you would have been appalled by Larry’s comments as was I. Instead you praised him for thinking out of the box. I think anyone that agrees with Larry or praises Larry’s thinking must be challenged for their integrity and their prejudice and I am sorry you cannot handle opposition to your appraisals.
Dan This is my final thought on this regardless of response, I thought long and hard about whether to post it and decided on the side of integrity. Finis
Judy Good! I do not respect your opinions or input to me or about me or having to do with me in any way. Please refrain from mentioning my name again here or anywhere else.
Judy’s Post #2
JJ Few new members have come aboard the last few years and a large reason for this is there are too many personal attacks and personality conversations that bore or offend new people.
Judy The fact that Larry said what he did and neither you or anyone else defended the role of women in politics and the passage of the 19th amendment would have eventually cost you way more supporters and offended the new people so much worse than anything Ruth or I could ever do or say.
I am sure there are many people here new or not who lean “left” and might leave because of your recent posts that call them “leftys” or “true believers” . You obviously have no regard for attracting or maintaining your member-base that leans “left”. Why are so over-concerned about people who would not like me or Ruth? I know that Ruth’s posting of quotes has to be a reason a lot of people are attracted and stay here. I have not had a conflict with anyone here for the last 7 years since 2006 of any consequence and have not been moderated since 2005.
You should be more concerned about the “leftys” leaving in droves and how you are losing people due to all the political rhetoric of late. LWK uses this forum to post articles from his right-wing blog. That right there could be a huge turn-off for your group.
Judy’s 3rd Post
I didn’t see his political incorrectness as a big enough deal to jump up and down about.
No one jumped up and down. You guys (Dan first and then you) reacted to my use of the words “pompous conjecture” and “prejudiced comments”. It was not that big of a deal to me and should not have even mentioned but the lewd joke and the praising of Larry’s ideas by Dan gave me the idea to call a spade a spade. Actually Dan took my woprds out of context and posted them so that ti sounded like I was just calling names for no reason when I was merely making a point to why I thought the idea held no water.
Obviously, that was a bad decision on my part. I do not think I deserved to be moderated for using the word “pompous” and “prejudiced” in regard to someones idea. I asked for documentation or proof. I was not mad or emotional or really even cared that much about it.
Dan has called me way worse names over the years and you do not react to that. Why? he as called me a “useles coyote” and worse. This is way worse than saying someone’s idea is “pompous conjecture”.
I still do not care if you guys want to believe whatever you want to believe.
I will never use the word “pompous” which offended Dan. I think “prejudice” is okay though because JJ uses it too.
I do have a question to LWK and Dan. Do you really believe the idea that LWK presented that the decine in western civilization is due to women and the 19th amenedment is good and worth conetmplation for the group or were you trying to incite irritation and cause controversy?
Judy’s 4th Post
> LWK touched on the difference between male and female
> energies but again was politically incorrect.
My view is that anything that is “politically correct” is fair game to attack. 🙂
So, what is your view on the sexual dynamics of politics? Can you see a historical correlation between women getting the right to vote in 1920 and the rise of the political Left and the huge increase in the size, power, and intrusiveness of government in our lives?
It was only about decade later that we got FDR and the New Deal. Currently the “Gender Gap” is well documented in politics.
I am glad you point-blank asked JJ the question so he will give his opinion. He has avoided the subject directly. I gave my take on it he said I sounded insulting to you and Dan who praised the idea I am not impressed that the idea can hold any validity because there is not statistical evidence to back it up. There is only the surmising that such an idea could be true and is that enough to establish the idea as worthy?
I probably should have used the word “preposterous” instead of the wording I used calling the idea “pompous” as that word had a pejorative meaning attached. I see no validity in the proposition(s) that Larry is making. I do not say this to be hurtful to Larry or offend anyone. I am saying it because the idea is so preposterous that I am questioning whether the idea is worthy of discussion here due to is obvious invalidity. I see that the “idea” is only being proposed to cause undue controversy and must be instigated only to be hurtful or because LWK must have some animosities toward women. I say this to help LWK examine his prejudicial and thoughts that would predicate such an idea in the first place,
Again, this is not mean to be judgmental toward Larry but I think his radical idea is precipitated by preconceived notions and misunderstandings about female energy and how it operates in the world.
Judy’s 5th Post
And so while I did not intentionally incite her, I knew she would PROBABLY have a problem with me quoting her insults back to her. I could have chosen to just ignore her and let it go but in this instance I chose not to. Why?
I think she has probably inadvertantly learned this socially detrimental coping mechanism of using vicious vindictive verbal abuse to intimidate others into giving in her primarily because no one has taught her different by standing up to her bullying. Giving in is just easier and less painful than standing up and being subject to escalating abuse.
Why is that not “breaking the rules” of insulting a member? He provoked you to enforce the rules by taking my words out of context and then he turned around and did the very same thing except worse. I insulted an idea and he insulted me personally.
Why does he do this? Because he can get by with it that is why. How will he ever learn unless you enforce the rules? He is so brazen that he cracks lewd jokes and demeans women right under your nose.