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The Constitution Hanging by a Thread
The White Horse Prophesy
The Constitution Hanging by a Thread
During these times of international stress, threats of revolution and internal threats to our country and the Constitution itself an increasing number of people are quoting from The White Horse Prophecy said to be given by Joseph Smith in May of 1843. Among other things he said:
“You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed; it will hang by a thread, and that thread as fine as the finest silk fiber.”
At this point the Prophet’s countenance became sad; because as he said, “I love the Constitution;
“It was made by the inspiration of God,
“And it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse (LDS Elders – or gathered lights) and the Red Horse (American Indians) who will combine in its defense.
…”There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese, unless great care and protection are given.
This was recorded by Edwin Rushton in a notarized statement with the following testimony:
“The words of the Prophet made a strong impression upon me. I have never forgotten them. On an occasion about two weeks later, after I first heard him speak these words, I was at a meeting where he preached a sermon, which he said would be the greatest of his life. On that occasion he reiterated the matter which I have now written, so that the subject became firmly rooted in my memory, and I know them to be true. Now, therefore, I testify that these are the inspired words spoken by the Prophet, Joseph Smith, as he stood looking up into heaven. His countenance became white and transparent; he looked as if he had as much of the Heavenly influence as he could bear and stay with the saints. His voice was powerful and his words cut like a two-edged sword.”
THE WHITE HORSE PROPHECY by Ogden Kraut, Page 25
The strange thing about this prediction is that even though it seems to have an eerie probability of coming to pass that the authorities in the church have distanced themselves from the prediction many calling it spurious. Not only that but many who quote from it are blacklisted and find their membership is in danger.
It is strange indeed that the apparent heroes of the prophesy fight against quoting that very prophesy. Perhaps the White Horse was more of a symbol of the Gathering of Lights than the church itself.
Here is a quote from the famous church Apostle Bruce R. McConkie:
“From time to time, accounts of various supposed visions, revelations, and prophecies are spread forth by and among the Latter-day Saints, who should know better than to believe or spread such false information. One of these false and deceptive documents that has cropped up again and again for over a century is the so-called White Horse Prophecy. This supposed prophecy purports to be a long and detailed account by the Prophet Joseph Smith concerning the wars, turmoils, and difficulties which should exist in the last days.” McConkie, Bruce (1966). Mormon Doctrine (2nd ed.). Bookcraft. p. 835
It is interesting that there is so much resistance to the “hanging by a thread” quote and so many doubting that Joseph actually said this because there are many testimonies available attributed to early church leaders who actually knew Joseph Smith. It appears that Joseph may have given this statement out on numerous occasions. Here are a few examples:
CONSTITUTION TO HANG BY A THREAD.
The statement has been made that the Prophet said the time would come when this Constitution would hang as by a thread, and this is true. There has been some confusion, however, as to just what he said following this. I think that Elder Orson Hyde has given us a correct interpretation wherein he says that the Prophet said the Constitution would be in danger. Said Orson Hyde: “I believe he said something like this—that the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said he: ‘If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the elders of this Church.’ I believe this is about the language, as nearly as I can recollect it.” Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government.
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, p. 326
An occasional theme among Latter-day Saints during times of political crisis has been the prediction attributed to Joseph Smith that the U.S. Constitution would one day hang by a thread and that the elders of the Church would at some critical juncture be instrumental in saving it. The source of this statement is thought to be an unpublished address titled, “A Few Items from a Discourse Delivered by Joseph Smith, July 19, 1840,” filed in the Joseph Smith Papers in the LDS Church Archives. Written neatly on 8”x12” paper, the document is obviously a copy since it shows none of the usual characteristics of an original report. The paper appears to be of post-Nauvoo vintage, and the handwriting does not correspond to that of any of Joseph Smith’s known clerks. Nor is there reference in the Prophet’s History to his having delivered a discourse on 19 July 1840. Furthermore, at two points in the text, there appears to be a serious problem of continuity, suggesting copyist’s errors or some other flaw in the manuscript. Consequently, in the absence of an original text, and without information about its origin and authorship, the reliability of this document has remained somewhat tenuous.
The Historians Corner, BYU Studies, Vol. 19, No. 3, p. 390
Even this nation will be on the verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the Constitution is on the brink of ruin this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.
Joseph Smith Papers, LDS Church Historical Archives, Box 1, March 10, 1844
How long will it be before the words of the Prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass.
Brigham Young, JD 12:204, April 8, 1868, Latter Day Prophets Speaks. Pg. 230
When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the “Mormon” elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it.
Brigham Young, JD 2:182, February 18, 1855, Latter Day Prophets Speaks. Pg. 230
When the people shall have torn to shreds the Constitution of the United States, the elders of Israel will be found holding it up to the nations of the earth and proclaiming liberty and equal rights to all men and extending the hand of fellowship to the oppressed of all nations. This is part of the program and as long as we do what is right and fear God He will help us and stand by us under all circumstances.
John Taylor, JD 21:8, August 31, 1879
Will the Constitution be destroyed? No: it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, “The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.” It will be so.
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 15, Brigham Young, July 4, 1854
The History of the Church account is an amalgamation of the reports in the Joseph Smith Diary and the Nauvoo Neighbor. The report by Levi Richards is here published for the first time. A reminiscent account of this discourse by James Burgess contains the essential details found in the other three accounts published here, and adds that the “Constitution and Government would hang by a brittle thread.”
In the month of May 1843. Several miles east of Nauvoo. The Nauvoo Legion was on parade and review. At the close of which Joseph Smith made some remarks upon our condition as a people and upon our future prospects contrasting our present condition with our past trials and persecutions by the hands of our enemies. Also upon the constitution and government of the United States stating that the time would come when the Constitution and Government would hang by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the Latter day Saints will step forth and save it.
General Scott and part of his staff on the American Army was present on the occasion. I James Burgess was present and testify to the above
(James Burgess Notebook, Church Archives). (Ehat & Cook, Words of Joseph Smith, 6 May 1843 Note, p. 279)
If tradition can be relied upon, Joseph Smith prophesied that the Elders of Israel would save this Nation in the hour of its extremist peril. At a time when anarchy would threaten the life of the Government, and the Constitution be hanging as by a thread, the maligned and misunderstood “Mormons”—always patriotic, and necessarily so from the very genius of their religion—would stand firm upon Freedom’s rocky ramparts, and as champions of law and order, liberty and justice, call to their aid in the same grand cause kindred spirits from every part of the nation and from every corner of the world.
Joseph Smith Papers, LDS Church Historical Archives, Box 1, March 10, 1844 Also: D. Michael Stewart, “I Have a Question,” Ensign, June 1976, 64-65
Eliza R. Snow said, “I heard the prophet say, The time will come when the government of these United States will be so nearly overthrown through its corruption, that the Constitution will hang as it were by a single hair, and the Latter-day Saints-the Elders of Israel-will step forward to its rescue and save it.”
In a Pioneer Day celebration in Ogden in 1871 – Journal History, MSF 143 #28, July 24, 1871
Jedediah M. Grant, during the dark days of threatened invasion of Utah by a federal army, referred to the Prophet’s utterance as he addressed a Mormon Battalion gathering in Salt Lake City, February 6, 1855. “What did the Prophet Joseph say? When the Constitution shall be tottering we shall be the people to save it from the hand of the foe.”
Deseret News Weekly, January 19, 1870
After reading a chapter in Ezekiel, the parable of the 12 olive trees in D&C 101:44-62, and referring to the Redemption of Zion, he said: We shall build the Zion of the Lord in peace until the servants of that Lord shall begin to lay the foundation of a great and high watch Tower and then shall they begin to say within themselves what need hath my Lord of this tower seeing this is a time of peace &c—Then the Enemy shall come as a thief in the night and scatter the servants abroad when the seed of these 12 Olive trees are scattered abroad they will wake up the Nations of the whole Earth Even this Nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the constitution is upon the brink of ruin this people will be the Staff upon which the Nation shall lean and they shall bear away the constitution away from the very verge of destruction—Then shall the Lord say go tell all my servants who are the strength of mine house my young men and middle aged &c come to the Land of my vineyard and fight the battle of the Lord—Then the Kings & Queens shall come then the rulers of the Earth shall come then shall ail saints come yea the Foreign saints shall come to fight for the Land of my vineyard for in this thing shall be their safety and they will have no power to choose but will come as a man fleeth from a sudden destruction—But before this the time shall be these who are now my friends shall become my enemies and shall seek to take my life and there are now those before me who will more furiously pursue me and the more diligently seek to my life and be more blood thirsty upon my track than ever were the Missouri Mobbers You say among yourselves as did them of old time it is I & is it I But I know these things by the visions of the Almighty.
Smith, Joseph. “Howard and Martha Coray Notebook, 19 July 1840?. The Words of Joseph Smith: The Contemporary Accounts of the Nauvoo Discourses of the Prophet Joseph. Comp. Andrew F. Ehat and Lyndon W. Cook. Orem, Utah: Grandin Book, 1991. 415-418
In the month of May 1843. Several miles east of Nauvoo. The Nauvoo Legion was on parade and review. At the close of which Joseph Smith made some remarks upon our condition as a people and upon our future prospects contrasting our present condition with our past trials and persecutions by the hands of our enemies. Also upon the constitution and government of the United States stating that the time would come when the Constitution and Government would hang by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the Latter day Saints will step forth and save it.
General Scott and part of his staff on the American Army was present on the occasion.
I James Burgess was present and testify to the above
(James Burgess Notebook, Church Archives).
Smith, Joseph. “Howard and Martha Coray Notebook, 1 July 1840?. The Words of Joseph Smith: The Contemporary Accounts of the Nauvoo Discourses of the Prophet Joseph. Comp. Andrew F. Ehat and Lyndon W. Cook. Orem, Utah: Grandin Book, 1991.Page 279
And here is the entire White Horse Prophecy:
- On or about the sixth day of May, 1843, a grand review of the Nauvoo Legion was held in Nauvoo. The Prophet Joseph complimented them for their good discipline and evolutions performed. The weather being hot, he called for a glass of water.
- With the glass of water in his hand, he said, “I will drink you a toast to the overthrow of the mobocrats,” which he did in language as follows: “Here’s wishing they were in the middle of the sea, in a stone canoe with iron paddles, and a shark swallow the canoe, and the Devil swallow the shark, and him locked up in the northwest corner of Hell, the key lost and a blind man hunting for it.”
- The next morning a man who had heard the Prophet give the toast here referred to, visited the mansion of the Prophet, and so abused him with bad language, that he was ordered out by the Prophet.
- It was while the two were out, that my attention was attracted to them, and hearing the man speaking in a loud tone of voice, I went toward them, the man finally leaving. There were then present the Prophet Joseph Smith, Theodore Turley and myself. The Prophet began talking to us of the mobbings and drivings, the persecutions we as a people had endured. “But,” said he, “We will have worse things to see; our persecutors will have all the mobbings they want. Don’t wish them any harm, for when you see their sufferings, you will shed tears for them.”
- While this conversation was going on, we stood by his south wicker gate in a triangle. Turning to me, he said, “I want to tell you something. In the future I will speak in parables like unto John, the Revelator.” (Little did I then think the prophet of the Lord would so soon be slain in cold blood.)
- Continuing, he said, “You will go to the Rocky Mountains, and you will see a great and mighty people established, which I will call the White Horse of Peace and Safety.”
- When the Prophet said, “You will see,” I asked him where he would be at that time.” He answered, “I shall never go there.”
- “Your enemies will continue to follow you with persecutions, and they will make obnoxious laws against you in Congress to destroy the White Horse.
- “But you will have a friend or two to defend you and throw out the worst part of the laws, so they will not hurt much.
- “You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens, and they will not give you your rights but will govern you with strangers and commissioners;
- “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed; it will hang by a thread, and that thread as fine as the finest silk fiber.”
- At this point the Prophet’s countenance became sad; because as he said, “I love the Constitution;
- “It was made by the inspiration of God,
- “And it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse and the Red Horse who will combine in its defense.
- “The White Horse will raise an ensign on the tops of the mountains of peace and safety where all nations may flee unto for safety.
- “The White Horse will find the mountains full of minerals, and they will become very rich. You will find silver piled up in the streets. (At this time, it must be remembered that it was not known that the precious metals existed either in the Rocky Mountains or in California.) You will see gold shoveled up like sand.
- “Gold will be but of little value even in a mercantile capacity, for the people of the world will have something else to do in seeking for salvation.
- ”The time will come when the banks in every nation will fail, and only two places will be safe where the people can deposit their gold and treasure. These places will be with the White Horse and England’s vaults.
- “A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America, such as has never been seen before, for the land will be literally left without a supreme government, and every species of wickedness will run rampant; it will be so terrible that father will be against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother. The most terrible scenes of murder and bloodshed and rapine that have ever been looked upon will take place.
- “Peace will be taken from the earth, and there will be no peace only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause hundreds and thousands of the honest in heart of the world to gather there, not because they would be saints, but for safety, and because they would not take up the sword against their neighbors.
- “You will be so numerous that you will be in danger of famine, but not for the want of seed time and harvest, but that so many will have to be fed. Many will come with bundles under their arms to escape the calamities, and there will be no escape, only by fleeing to Zion.
- “Those that come to you will try and keep the laws and be one with you, for they will see your unity and the greatness of your organizations.
- “The Turkish Empire or the Crescent will be one of the first powers that will be disrupted as a power, for freedom must be given for the Gospel to be preached in the Holy Land.
24.”The Lord took of the best blood of the nations, and planted them on the small island now called England, or Great Britain, and gave them great powers in the nations for a thousand years, and this power will continue with them, that they may keep the balance of power, that they may keep Russia from usurping power over all the world.
- “England and France are now bitter enemies, but they will be allied together in order to keep Russia from conquering the world.
- “The two Popes, Greek and Catholic, will come together and be united. The Protestant religions do not know how much they are indebted to Henry VIII for throwing off the Pope’s bull and establishing the Protestant faith. He was the only monarch that could do so at the time, and he did it because the nation was at his back to sustain him.
- One of the peculiar features in England is the established red coat, a uniform making so remarkable a mark to shoot at, and yet they have conquered wherever they have gone. The reason for this will be known by them some day. The Lion and the Unicorn of England is the ensign of Israel. The wisdom and statesmanship of England comes from there being so much of the blood of Israel in the nation.
- “While the terrible revolution of which mention has been made is going on, England will be neutral until it becomes so inhuman that she will interfere to stop the shedding of blood. England and France will then unite together and come with intention to make peace, not to subdue the nation. They will find the nation so broken up and so many claiming government, still there will be no [23] responsible government. Then it will appear to the other nations or powers as though England had taken possession of the country.
- “The Black Horse will flee to the invaders and will join with them, for they will have fear of becoming slaves again, knowing England does not believe in slavery, fleeing to them, they believed would make them safe. Armed with British bayonets, the doings of the Black Horse will be terrible.”
- So the Prophet said he could not bear to look longer upon the scene as shown him in vision, that he asked the Lord to close the scene.
- Continuing, he said: “During this time, the great White Horse will have gathered strength, sending out elders to get the honest in heart of the United States to stand by the Constitution of the United States, as it was given by inspiration of the Lord.
- “In these days, God will set up a kingdom, never to be thrown down, for other kingdoms to come unto, and these kingdoms that will not let the Gospel be preached will be humbled until they will.
- “England, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, and Belgium have a considerable amount of the blood of Israel among their people, which must be gathered. These nations will submit to the Kingdom of God. England will do it as a whole, in comparison as she threw off the Catholic power. The nobility know the Gospel is true, but it has not enough pomp and grandeur and influence for them to embrace it. They are proud and will not acknowledge the Kingdom of God, or come unto it until they see the power which it will have.
- “Peace and safety in the Rocky Mountains will be protected by a cord and band of the White Horse and the Red Horse.
- “The coming of the Ten Tribes of Israel, the coming of the Messiah among His people, will be so natural that only those who see Him will know He has come, but He will come and give His law unto Zion and minister unto His people. This will not be His coming in the clouds of heaven to take vengeance on the world.
- The Temple in Jackson County will be built in this generation. The saints will think there will not be time to build it, but with all the great help you will receive, you can put up a great temple quickly. You will have gold, silver, and precious stones, for these things only will be used for beautifying the temple, all the skilled mechanics you want, and the Ten Tribes of Israel to help you build it. When you see this land bounded with iron, you may look toward Jackson County.”
- At this point he made a pause, and looking up as though the vision was still in view, he said, “There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese, unless great care and protection are given. Speaking of the heathen, where there is no law there is no condemnation; this will apply to them.
- “Power will be given the White Horse to rebuke nations afar off and they will obey, not that they will be one with the White Horse, but when the law goes forth, they will obey, for the law will go forth from Zion.
- “The last great struggle Zion will have to contend with will be when the whole of America will be made the Zion of God.
- “Those opposing will be called Gog and Magog The nations of the world led by the Russian Czar and their power, will be great, but all opposition will be overcome, and this land will be then the Zion of our God.”
Feb 6, 2011
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The Question of Polygamy
The Question of Polygamy
Question: You seem to give a lot of weight to the teachings of Joseph Smith. How do you fit this in with the early LDS authorities practicing polygamy?
JJ: I think that the LDS have a wrong view of prophets. Not every word they teach is God breathed or the black and white truth. For instance, Joseph’s revelation on selling the copyright to the Book of Mormon turned out to be completely misled.
Even Jesus said the temple would be destroyed so not one stone would be left upon another, but there still exists a wailing wall.
To follow any flesh and blood man without question is to receive the mark of the beast. The only infallible authority comes from the Spirit within. If you want to know the truth behind polygamy or any other doctrine you must run it by your own soul be open to all things as a little child. I have done this and get no go-head to practice polygamy, but do not condemn anyone who does through their own free will.
I believe Joseph saw the beginnings of The Molecular Relationship (see my book on this) but what he received was misinterpreted.
It is difficult to sort out all that happened with polygamy. It is interesting that there is not proof that Joseph fathered even one child through his dozens of wives. So far, all DNA testing has shown that kids thought to be descended from him are not. There is a growing segment of LDS believers who believe that polygamy in the church was started by Brigham Young and other apostles, and merely falsely promoted the idea that Joseph supported the doctrine.
Question: So what is for your feeling as to why most of the ancient prophets practiced polygamy? … Is your feeling that they all practiced it out of free will? From what I have read they thought that they would receive great blessings and rewards?
JJ: Not only did the ancient prophets practice polygamy but just about all the ancient peoples did. Many pharaohs, kings, tribal leaders, religious leaders practiced it. Greece and Rome were two empires that only practiced it during part of their histories. Herod of New Testament fame had nine wives.
Mohamed had numerous wives and that tradition is still carried on among the wealthy Muslims today. Would you like to be a plural wife of a Taliban leader? I don’t think so.
Just about anyone who had the means to support more than one wife was polygamous in most ancient cultures. Polygamy was much more prevalent among the rich and powerful than the common people for it was all an average guy could do to support one wife and the kids – and often this was a terrible struggle.
This also worked in reverse. Many powerful women in the ancient world had more than one lover, but weren’t usually officially married to them.
So basically, polygamy thrived in the ancient world and powerful men took numerous wives because they could. Powerful men also took many slaves. Why? Because they could. Interestingly, neither slavery or polygamy were condemned in the Bible. That doesn’t make either of them right. It just tells us that the consciousness of the people in that age was not prepared to change their age-old traditions.
It is interesting that the early Mormons practiced polygamy yet the practice was condemned in the Book of Mormon, the foundation book of Mormonism.
Jacob 1:15 And now it came to pass that the people of Nephi, under the reign of the second king, began to grow hard in their hearts, and indulge themselves somewhat in wicked practices, such as like unto David of old desiring many wives and concubines, and also Solomon, his son.
16 Yea, and they also began to search much gold and silver, and began to be lifted up somewhat in pride.
Jacob 2:23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
33 For they shall not lead away captive the daughters of my people because of their tenderness, save I shall visit them with a sore curse, even unto destruction; for they shall not commit whoredoms, like unto them of old, saith the Lord of Hosts.
34 And now behold, my brethren, ye know that these commandments were given to our father, Lehi; wherefore, ye have known them before; and ye have come unto great condemnation; for ye have done these things which ye ought not to have done.
35 Behold, ye have done greater iniquities than the Lamanites, our brethren. Ye have broken the hearts of your tender wives, and lost the confidence of your children, because of your bad examples before them; and the sobbings of their hearts ascend up to God against you. And because of the strictness of the word of God, which cometh down against you, many hearts died, pierced with deep wounds.
It is amazing indeed that the church which has these powerful words in their own scriptures condemning polygamy is famous for espousing the doctrine of plural wives.
A casual observer may be baffled by it and wonder how this could be justified. This is done in two ways.
(1) The above scripture vaguely gives what could be an exception for it says:
“For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.” Jacob 2:30
In other words, the scripture seems to be saying that polygamy is a horrible thing, comparable to running a house of prostitution. It brings untold grief to women, kills their hearts and brings a curse of destruction yet in the right circumstance – to raise up seed – God may command his people otherwise.
Isaiah talks of such a time. He writes of a future time of great destruction when there would be seven women to one man and because of such a shortage of men, women would volunteer themselves as polygamous wives. That makes sense. If a civilization needed to be rebuilt after most men were killed in a war then polygamy seem somewhat logical.
(2) The second way it was justified is it was presented as a mysterious doctrine that the common people were just not ready for. Polygamy was reserved for those who had a destiny to become gods and populate many worlds. A male god could father many more spirit children for these worlds with many wives than with just one wife.
Therefore, it was important for the spiritually advanced to obtain many wives, not only for the celestial future but to bring higher quality spirits to earth in mortal bodies.
There was a huge flaw in this second argument and that is, most of the people who have practiced polygamy have not been spiritual advanced. Many of them in the early church were tyrants ruling over their wives with an iron hand. You won’t read about this in orthodox church history but the are many accounts of the tyranny of polygamy which have survived.
Now here is a true principle that could be a reason for polygamy to justifiably surface.
The quality of entity drawn to be born to a couple is influenced by the spiritual vibration of the two. A high combined vibration will attract an entity of high vibration for like attracts like. Therefore, it may be possible that the Spirit would guide a man to take a second wife, or maybe just impregnate a spiritual female to draw forth a highly evolved soul to be born. Now if this were done without the approval of the soul then the vibration of all would be lowered and divine purpose negated.
But here’s the problem. Even if the disciple is attempting to follow the direction of the Spirit yet when other members of the group find out what their teacher is doing, they will also think that their spiritual vibration is plenty high also and want multiple wives as well.
As soon as word got out to the LDS males that plural marriage may be acceptable to God a lot of very ordinary, and in many cases carnal men, wanted to practice it.
Consequently, most entities drawn as children were quite ordinary. How many direct children of current polygamists do you know of that accomplished anything worthwhile?
There are about 40,000 polygamists today in Utah, many more than in the days of Brigham Young. I haven’t heard of any geniuses coming from any of these families.
It is indeed flawed reasoning to think that a plural wife system that has been identified by a Book of Mormon prophet to cause untold grief to women would suddenly turn into something that brings bliss in the next world.
That which makes us happy here will make us happy there and that which makes us unhappy here on earth will continue to make us unhappy if the location is changed.
Here’s is the key to discover the truth of all things. Look not at the black and white words of any teaching and do not consider that all black and white statements or commands of authorities are correct. Instead examine each teaching on its own merit and then run it by your soul.
Pretend you have never heard anything pro or con about polygamy and then run it by your soul and see what you feel. The inner voice must always be the greatest authority in the life of the disciple.
If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. – Wayne Dyer
January 23, 2011
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Is 3I/Atlas a Spacecraft?
Is 3I/Atlas a Spacecraft?
I thought I would make a few comments on the controversial interstellar comet called 3I/Atlas.
Quite a few in the alternative spiritual group seem to think it is an intelligently designed spacecraft. Since it is about 12.5 miles in diameter that would make it an extremely large one, so some feel it is a large mother ship that may soon be releasing probes to scout around our solar system.
Like most celestial objects this one exhibits a few anomalies. The most significant one is that it entered our solar system at just the right angle so its trajectory comes fairly close to three of our planets. Its closest approach is about 60 million miles from Venus, 17.6 million miles from Mars and 33.5 million miles from Jupiter.
These are still quite lengthy distances – keep in mind that our moon is only around a quarter of a million miles from earth so 17-60 million miles away is not close enough for a complete probing and discovery.
The comet misses the earth by quite a distance, about 168 million miles or about 700 times further away than the moon. Then from October 1, 2025, to November 9 it will be on the other side of the sun where we will be unable to view it. This just fuels the speculation, for believers are saying that they know that the earth has intelligent life and they are not coming close for they want to avoid detection. Then they are hiding behind the sun for over a month to perform a secret probing that they do not want us to see.
That all makes good science fiction and I personally would like to see proof of intelligent life beyond the earth, but the chances of this being it are very slim.
Consider this. The comet is traveling at approximately 137,000 miles per hour. That is fast by our earthly standards but as far as interstellar travel goes that is very slow. If it originated from our nearest star system of Alpha Centauri at that speed it would take over 21,000 years to reach us.
But it did not come from that direction. After much calculation astronomers believe that it originated in the direction of the constellation Sagittarius, near the Milky Way’s Galactic Center. This suggests it was ejected billions of years ago from a low-metallicity star system in the galaxy’s thin disk around 10 billion years ago making it older than our Solar System.
This means that the comet originated not only before there was life on earth, but before the earth and sun even existed.
Wherever it is from it obviously originated too far back in time to be a probe to find out more about life in or solar system or to consider the avoiding of human detection. After all, it has only been about a hundred years that we have had the technology to detect a comet like this.
It would take a long article to give all the pros and cons as to whether this is a spacecraft but 3I/Atlas shows no deliberate maneuvers, deceleration for rendezvous, or signals in route – none observed, despite SETI scans yielding silence.
Now anything is possible. It could be remotely possible that it is an abandoned mother ship left behind billions of years ago. Or perhaps it did travel faster than light but slowed down to a sneaky, but steady crawl when it entered our system.
Overall Occam’s razor favors it is a natural made comet. I would give odds of around 99% in this direction.
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Understanding Astrology
Understanding Astrology
Question: If peoples’ personalities can be affected by the thoughtform centered around the old zodiac, then won’t newborns be affected by the new zodiac since mass-thought is now centered around it?
JJ: I’m not sure what you mean by an old and new zodiac. There is just one zodiac that is used by astrologers.
Over thousands of years the positions of the twelve signs have changed and thus their subtle influences have changed somewhat. Humanity has adapted to this in two ways. First the meanings of the signs have changed some over the years and new interpretations have been added that are in alignment with the true energies. In addition to this, thoughtforms have been created around the signs that keep some of the out-of-date energies in circulation.
This may not sound logical to you, but it is very logical. Let’s use an example.
Jim is a big Jets fan and always roots for them when they play the Patriots. Then he moves from New York to Boston. Everyone around him is now a Patriots fan. Pretty soon it rubs off on him and starts rooting for them instead of the Jets.
What changed? Not the football teams. The only difference was the thoughts he was constantly picking up. New York and Boston both have thoughtforms built up around their teams that people pick up on when they move there.
The same goes for astrology. The old thoughtforms are still there with new ones forming. Some of these are picked up on and these influences are independent of the actual influence of the planets.
Those who are centered on the personality are influenced by thoughtforms and are much more predictable through a regular chart.
Those who are in the soul are not as much influenced by thoughtforms but more inclined to pick up the true energies of the spheres.
DK tells us that only a Master can cast a chart for a disciple based on the true energies – that no living astrologer even knows how to do it, though some pick up things intuitively. He only gave us several useful pieces of information that would be useful in casting an esoteric chart.
Question: For that matter, if mass-thought can alter the effects of something as reliable as the zodiac, then why doesn’t someone just make up their own zodiac casting everyone with the most desirable attributes, then widely circulate it, so everyone is born with the propensity towards being successful?
JJ: Someone could make up a new zodiac, but they would have to sell it to about a billion people to override the current thoughtforms that have taken thousands of years to solidify. That’s not something you could do on a whim. For instance, you just can’t make up a new thoughtform for the Moslems and get them to be influenced by it. You’d need millions to believe it first and add their thought power to it before it would have any power.
Reader Comment: I am not an astrologist as I don’t know how to read a chart. Having said that, it is my understanding that the zodiacal signs are all based on planets, not constellations. Constellations have a place within a chart, and an influence, just like the sun and the moon, but that it is the planets that determined the zodiacal houses.
JJ: The astrological signs are based on the position of the twelve constellations of the Zodiac, not the planets, though each sign is said to have one of the planets as a major influence. There is an orb that rules each sign. For instance, the moon rules Cancer, even though it moves round the earth and changes its relation to this sign daily. In addition, there will be a planet that is exalted in each sign and one in detriment. Then to complicate things more each sign is divided into three decans and each decan has a planet that rules it.
A year is divided into the twelve signs but then a day is also two times twelve. Thus your hour of birth *(instead of the month) determines your rising sign and the position of your twelve houses, each governed by one of the signs.
At birth the planets will be in various constellations and this will add meaning. Then they will be in various relationships to each other and this will add more meaning.
Learning astrology is a little like learning the guitar. It just takes just a little time to learn a few chords but it is very difficult to become an expert. The same with astrology. There is a lot to learn to master the art.
A reader says: Thank you so very much, JJ, for using your astrology skill on our behalf. I feel like I got significant insight from this. I love the shortened version based upon only the strongest influences and not watered down by endless nuance.
JJ: Thanks, A computer reading can be 40 pages long, but because it analyzes the individual placements rather than the whole and interactions, it is not very accurate. It makes it sound like the influence of Pluto is as powerful as the sun whereas it is much less.
There are hundreds of influences in a chart and they all interact. A good astrologer will look at three major things while interpreting. First, he will look at the chart as a whole and secondly the three major influences (the sun, moon and rising sign) and finally how the other influences interact with their major two or three influences.
For instance, if your Mercury is in Libra your computer reading will analyze this as an isolated influence, but to understand it you have to examine its aspects, or close relationship to other planets. Maybe it is only 2 degrees away from Mars, which means you will have to interpret these two influences as if they were two partners working together.
In addition, you have to take in consideration which of the twelve houses each planet is in and was it in the night sky or daytime sky?
By concentrating on the three most powerful influences we can get a snippet which is reasonably accurate, but, of course, the main reason for doing this was to reveal the importance of the rising sign as noted by DK because this gives an indication of the lesson in life to be learned. That information can be as important as everything else in the chart combined.
Ideals are like stars; you will not succeed in touching them with your hands. But like the seafaring man on the desert of waters, you choose them as your guides, and following them you will reach your destiny. – Carl Schurz
Jan 17, 2011
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Joseph Smith’s Handwriting
Joseph Smith’s Handwriting
A reader asked me to analyze Joseph Smith’s handwriting. I will give a few details from the handwriting that we know belongs to him.
Joseph had an outgoing friendly personality and came across with lots of warmth, empathy and a sense of emotional understanding.
He had very strong feelings, was very passionate and had a magnetism about him. He liked sharing on an emotional level whether it be romantic or strong outward expression. He didn’t like to keep his feelings in and if he was pleased, displeased or angry he usually communicated these feelings quite clearly and honestly.
His consciousness was not centered on any one aspect of living, but all aspects. We know he was interested in the spiritual side but he was equally at home when centered on the social side of life, the material side, or the intellectual side.
Most people as emotionally centered as he was are not that intellectual yet he had a strong desire to explore new knowledge and would leave no stone unturned in discovering it. He was also very perceptive and a quick thinker. He would have been a good debater.
He was one of those people who could come across as all things to all people. He had a good sense of charm and could get people to do things his way when they did not realize they were being influenced. He was very inclusive and would associate with the high and the low. He was very trusting but difficult to fool.
He was more of an extrovert than introvert and loved variety and change. He didn’t have strong feelings of self-importance and was fairly humble for such an outgoing personality.
He had secrets but did not like keeping them forever and was always pleased to find someone he thought he could trust to share them with.
He was decisive and when he made a decision he pursued it aggressively until it was fulfilled. He liked to tackle difficult projects and had a strong sense of purpose and natural optimism. He didn’t wait for change to come but enjoyed being the force to create change.
He was cooperative but didn’t like others making his decisions for him or twisting his arm. He liked to make his own decisions in his own way.
He was intuitive, a quick thinker and hard worker.
Was he honest? He tried to be and wanted to be but he had some powerful secrets that may have led him to take the dishonest path at times. Unfortunately, we cannot clear up the polygamy question from handwriting alone.
Could Joseph had written the Book of Mormon himself?
This is the question millions have asked. Actually, writing a major creative work goes against his temperament. He was intelligent but fairly impatient and always had a lot of things going through his mind. He was always interested in what was going on in the world around him in the spiritual, social and material sides of life. It is not surprising that he never wrote a book after the Book of Mormon was published because his temperament would make it difficult to settle down in quiet and just write for long periods of time. Research would have been more fun for him, but writing would be a chore. The handwriting then gives evidence that it would have been difficult for him to write the Book of Mormon himself. Most people capable of such creativity rarely stop at one book.
Question: Joseph Smith had taught that everyone could and should have their own seer stone. What’s your take or knowledge on this? Is it meant literally?
JJ: It might be interesting to note that Joseph used a seer stone to translate the Book of Mormon and reveal his early revelations. But later in life he didn’t seem to use it at all but shifted his attention away from revealing data to revealing principles. It is also interesting that his greatest teachings were merely received through contemplation without the aid of a stone.
A stone, a crystal, tea leaves, ink blots, a fire and other items can provide points of focus that when used effectively can stimulate the consciousness to see things previously hidden. In a way these things are like training wheels to aid the seeker in developing his inner abilities. Eventually he can drop these aids for most types of seeing, especially as far as principles go. They are most useful in finding hidden data though not always accurate unless used by a high initiate.
It is also interesting that the seer stone has gone out of vogue in this age. About the only time you hear any mention of it is when some Mormon offshoot prophet claims revelation.
If one is interested in using a seer stone here is an exercise.
Find a crystal or rock a couple inches in diameter and enter a dimly lit place where you can barely make out the outline of the stone. Then think of something you want to know and stare into it for about ten minutes. As soon as you see images focus on them and see where this takes you.
Question: DK teaches that at a certain point the disciple will reverse his spiritual direction. When will that occur?
JJ: This occurs when the seeker establishes a valid soul contact. The soul leads the disciple in the opposite direction of the astral self. The reverse direction of the Zodiac is a symbol of the greater reverse that occurs within.
Question: If a person’s rising sign is the same as their sun sign, does it likely mean they failed to learn the major lesson of their last life (well enough)?
JJ: No. It usually means they have decided to focus on one major area of development rather than scatter their energies.
Question: Did you get your views on vaccines from soul contact?
JJ: I think you’d call it more of a gut feeling mixed with common sense. If even too much water can kill you then six doses of the poisonous substances in a little child could indeed pose a risk. There really needs to be some legitimate research into all aspects of the vaccines to put the public’s mind at rest.
People from a planet without flowers would think we must be mad with joy the whole time to have such things about us. – Iris Murdoch
Jan 11, 2011
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Are Teachers Needed?
Are Teachers Needed?
A reader wants to know whether a person with solid soul contact even needs a teacher.
When a person achieves soul contact, he does not instantly know all things, but progresses precept by precept and line by line, as the scripture says, until he achieves full enlightenment. That which is seen through the eyes of the soul (not the emotions) is accurate but that does not mean the person sees all things.
Why?
The answer was given in the Sherlock Holmes Movie starring Robert Downey Jr. Here is the dialog that teaches the lesson:
Lord Blackwood: Sherlock Holmes. And his loyal dog. Tell me, Doctor… as a medical man, have you enjoyed my work?
Watson: Let me show you just how much I’ve enjoyed it. [starts towards Blackwood]
Holmes: Watson, don’t! [Holmes stops Watson a few feet from Lord Blackwood, then looks at Blackwood’s hands] Observe…
[Watson looks down to see there is an almost imperceptible thin glass needle with a sharp point less than a foot from where they stand]
Watson: How did you see that?
Holmes: Because I was looking for it. [breaks the needle]
Now Watson had every bit the ability to see everything that Holmes could see, but did not see it. Why? Because he was not looking for it.
Holmes did see the deadly needle. Why? Because he was looking.
Even so, you may have two people with a similar ability to contact the soul but one may be looking and the other one is not. The one who is looking will see much more than the one who is not.
The key to successful looking is to question and have an open mind.
All of us from the highest to the lowest have things to learn that are hidden from us and we need teachers to stimulate us to look in the right direction. Holmes did not teach Watson how to look, for Watson already knew how to do it. Even so, Holmes was his teacher because he pointed him in the right direction so he could see for himself.
All those upon the path recognize the need for teachers. DK recognizes Koot Hoomi as his teacher and Christ above that. He even says that Sanat Kumara, the Ancient of Days, is a disciple of the Solar Logos. If the Planetary Logos needs a teacher then it would be silly of us to think we are so advanced that we can learn all truth and lessons completely on our own just by going within.
We all need to be stimulated by being exposed to those who have looked in directions that have not occurred to us and expanded their ring-pass-not beyond our own. These individuals have seen many things that we have not and have much to teach us. To refuse to be a student is to eventually come to a standstill in progression, just as is the truth of the opposite extreme of total dependence.
Note: It is interesting that Conan Doyle, the creator of Sherlock Holmes was a Theosophist.
There has been a huge controversy over whether or not vaccination shots have caused autism in children. This presents a good opportunity to use our powers of discernment and judgment to discover the truth.
A Look at Autism
(I recommended the group watch a video on whether autism is linked to vaccinations – that has been subsequently removed.)
Both sides of the argument were presented. Which side made the best case and why?
Where do you think the truth lies?
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Thanks for your comments about vaccinations and autism. Since one of the prime directives of this group is to find and recognize truth – this controversy provides an ideal situation to exercise this ability.
Both sides make good arguments, but the question is which side is correct?
The establishment makes the Global Warming defense that the science is settled – there is no further discussion or investigation necessary. They merely pronounce their version of the truth as fact.
The trouble is that that no good studies are available to prove which side is correct. All we have so far is anecdotal evidence which is just not accepted by the Powers-That-Be as acceptable. Perhaps the best study was from the parent in the video where he said he had talked to about 1000 parents with autistic kids who witnessed a correlation between vaccinations and autism in their children.
He then tells us that kids receive an average of 36 vaccinations by the age of five. I think back to my youth and I had only two vaccinations before high school and that was for polio and smallpox. He points out that one single vaccine may not be the problem so much as the quantity. After all, the autism rate has increased from one in 10,000 to one in 110 in the past few decades. (Note: as of 2022 it was one in 37) Something has to have caused this and nothing else has been identified, even in an anecdotal way.
The parent in the video calls for studies of the effect of numerous vaccines given at once. Typically a kid may receive 6 vaccines during one single appointment. (Note: in 2025 they receive up to nine)
It is my gut feeling that he is on to something here. I would think that a small child receiving six vaccines at one time could be in danger of a number of things. Such a barrage of poisons could indeed induce a number of ills.
I think the parents of autistic children should do all in their power to encourage some legitimate studies to determine once and for all if there is a connection of some kind. The trouble is that the medical establishment and the drug companies do not want such sweeping studies for if it turns out the parents are correct then medical practitioners will be embarrassed and drug companies will lose money.
Even when all the experts agree, they may well be mistaken. – Bertrand Russell
Jan 10, 2011
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The Sacred Planets
The Sacred Planets
DK tells us that there are seven sacred planets in our solar system. They are Vulcan (a hidden planet), Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.
The rest of the known planets are not sacred, which are the Earth and Mars. Pluto was classified as a non-sacred planet by DK, but has now been downgraded by astronomers to a dwarf planet because of its small size. Nevertheless, it is still considered a planet esoterically.
After Alice A. Bailey died there have been three additional dwarf planets discovered beyond the orbit of Pluto which are Haumea, Makemake, and Eris. One additional was known in her lifetime which is Ceres. In her day it was considered the largest asteroid.
DK specifically tells us that in addition to the Earth, Mars and Pluto that there are two additional non sacred planets that were veiled in his day. (See Esoteric Healing, Page 507)
He also indicates that there are three hidden sacred planets for he speaks of the “seven planets at its densest point and three hidden.” A Learning Experience, Page 65
Apparently, there are quite a few others that are not classified as either sacred or non-sacred for he speaks of “many ‘hidden’ planets. Of these, the Ageless Wisdom claims that there are around seventy in our solar system.” Esoteric Astrology, Page 6
These 70 could include numerous undiscovered dwarf planets, as well as several undiscovered larger planets. Included in this figure are a number of planets that exist in the etheric matter and are invisible to the eyes of scientists.
Then concerning “lesser planetary bodies he says “There are more than 115 of such bodies to be reckoned with, and all are at varying stages of vibratory impulse.” TCF, Page 793
He could be referring to the larger asteroids and the smaller dwarf planets. Some may be made of etheric substance and invisible to telescopes.
Out of all these bodies there are seven in dense matter which are considered sacred planets. The earth is not yet achieved this status, but is expected to in the near future. The fact that it is on the threshold of the transition is evidenced by the statement that the earth is “subjectively considered is a sacred planet; the effects of this transition from non-sacred to sacred have not fully demonstrated themselves objectively. Rays and Initiations, Page 414
After the full transition is made there will be eight but, “Eventually, there will be twelve sacred planets, corresponding to the twelve constellations, but the time is not yet.” A Treatise on White Magic, Page 438
After a student sees several references to sacred and non-sacred planets he begins to wonder exactly what a sacred planet is and what makes it different from a non-sacred one.
It is somewhat astonishing that DK says he cannot tell us:
“The reason which makes a planet sacred or not is one of the secrets of a certain major initiation, and I may not further elucidate here.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 1, Page 335,
Even so, DK does give us a number hints on the subject. Here is one when writing about the war in heaven:
“In every grouping,—whether in heaven or on earth—there is always evidenced a tendency by some units in the group to revolt, to rebel and to show some form of initiative different to that of the other units in the same grouping. When our solar universe came into being, we are told in the allegorical language of the ancient scriptures, there “was war in Heaven”; “the sun and his seven brothers” did not function with true unanimity; hence (and herein lies a hint) our Earth is not one of the seven sacred planets.” Psychology, Vol 1, Page 394
We see here that among the sun and the seven brothers there was a revolt and this gives us a hint as to why the earth is not a sacred planet. How does this make sense since the earth was not one of the seven?
To make use of the hint we must discover which of the seven sacred planets was the rebel.
Actually, DK makes this pretty clear for he tells us that Saturn is the only sacred planet on which there is pain and sorrow and difficulty.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 2, Page 98
The cause of this pain is that “Saturn, therefore, ‘fell’ when man fell into generation. He ‘followed the sons of men down into their low place.’” Esoteric Astrology, Page 105
That low place was the earth, but how was it that Saturn followed the sons of men here? The key to understanding this is coming to the realization that Sanat Kumara, while being “The Planetary Logos of our earth scheme (is) one of the Seven Spirits before the throne.” Initiation Human and Solar, Page 28
Since the earth logos is not one of the seven this means that Sanat’s true home is a sacred planet, and not the earth. Which of the seven would that be? DK is hesitant to tell us:
“Sanat Kumara alone, in this scheme, is self-sustaining and self-sufficient, being the physical incarnation of one of the Planetary Logoi, which one it is not permissible to state, as this fact is one of the secrets of initiation. Initiation Human and Solar, Page 39
Many just assume he is the incarnation of the planetary logos of the earth but DK tells us he is one of the seven spirits that preside over the seven sacred planets, but he does not have permission to tell us which one.
Actually, I think it is pretty obvious which sacred planet is his.
We are told that Sanat is on the third ray of active intelligence, as well as the earth. Which of the sacred planets is also on the third ray?
That would be Saturn.
“Both the Earth and Saturn (one a non-sacred and one a sacred planet) are exponents or expressions of the third Ray of Active Intelligence.” Esoteric Astrology, Page 189
The fact that “Venus, Earth and Saturn form one triangle of great interest.” TCF, Page 181 coupled with the fact that the Lord of Saturn “followed the sons of men down into their low place” tells us that Saturn would be Sanat Kumara’s point of origin as one of the seven Spirits.
We are told that “The love and thought of that divine Life (the Solar Logos) is turned towards this “little daughter of a long lost son”, as our planet is sometimes called in the occult books of the Great Ones. A Treatise on White Magic, Pg 314
The little daughter is identified as the earth, but who would be the “long lost son”?
Again, that would be the Logos of Saturn who “followed the sons of men down into their low place.”
So what exactly caused the Lord of Saturn (a sacred planet) to fall to the earth (A non sacred one)?
The previous solar system was governed by the third ray of intelligent activity and in that system, Sanat Kumara became a master of that aspect. It is natural and good that when one step is achieved to relax a little and enjoy and use its benefits, but then the temptation is to stay there too long and avoid taking your next step.
A hint about how this problem may apply to Sanat Kumara and ray three is given here:
“The planetary Logos of our Earth is primarily conditioned by a cosmic ray, to be sure, but not by His egoic ray. Perhaps in this condition may be found the reason (or one of the reasons) why our Earth is not one of the seven sacred planets. On this I need not enlarge, but it was necessary to call attention to this great determining factor, the third ray, which is the personality ray of our planetary Logos…This ray brings in the factor of discrimination through mental activity, and this, in its turn, balances the so-called love nature, and it is in truth the cause of our evolutionary growth.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 1, Pages 335-336, 338
We are told some interesting things here that would be easy to overlook. Our logos is primarily conditioned by a cosmic ray, but not the egoic. The cosmic ray governing this solar system is Ray Two, Love-Wisdom. The egoic ray is three – Intelligence in Matter and governs the personality of our Logos. Concerning this we are told to “Forget not that the Personality of our planetary Logos is not yet perfect, hence the fact that His body of manifestation, the planet, is not reckoned as being one of the sacred planets.” Externalization of the Hierarchy, Page 87
The focus of our Logos is on the Love Wisdom, but using the intelligence from the third ray or his personality imperfectly. To become a sacred planet he must harmonize Ray Three with Ray Two to become a sacred planet.
This is a higher correspondence to aspiring humanity. We must bring our lower nature into alignment with the higher to become soul infused and achieve the higher initiations. Similarly, our Logos has to do the same on a higher level to become a sacred planet.
His next great step depends largely on the progress of humanity. Humanity’s focus needs to shift away from the lower personality to the Higher Self and DK gives a sign as to when this shift will happen which is an extension of my last quote:
“When humanity will have solved correctly the Jewish problem, and when it has been resolved in a humanitarian and sound manner, then the energy of the planetary solar plexus centre will have been raised to the heart and a great transmutation will have taken place.”
The Jews are on Ray Three, the personality ray of our Logos, and the conflict associated with them over the millennia is a symbol of the imperfection of the personality of our logos. Their achievement of harmony with other races will be a sign that our Logos has achieved the advancement necessary to become a sacred planet.
DK speaks of “the force which brings about the fusion or integration of the personality, the at-one-ment of personality and soul, the unification of humanity or the Great Approach of the Hierarchy to Humanity. It will produce also the integration of our Earth into the body of the “sacred planets” Esoteric Astrology, Page 482
So in the most basic terms we can say that a sacred planet is one that has perfected the personality aspect and put it under control of the Higher Self. The planet is working on the same goal as is the individual disciple, but just on a higher level.
The seven planets that are sacred have intelligent life but the focus of that life is not on the dense physical plane as it is on earth. We are told that “the seven Heavenly Men, whose bodies they are, function normally on the fourth plane of the system, the buddhic or the fourth cosmic ether.” TCF, Page 123
Life on this fourth cosmic ether is totally invisible to our earth scientists.
The seven logoi of the seven sacred planets are not perfect. DK says that “The seven Spirits, we are told in the Scriptures of the world, are ‘before the Throne of God’; this signifies that They are not yet in a position to mount the Throne, symbolically speaking, owing to the fact that They have not yet achieved complete divine expression.” Esoteric Healing, Page 298
Each of them are on different rays, and though highly evolved, are still working to express them in perfection.
Vulcan, the hidden planet is on Ray One, the ray of Will-Power and Purpose.
Mercury is on Ray Four of Harmony through Conflict stimulating creativity.
Venus is on Ray Five, the Ray of Concrete Knowledge.
Jupiter is on Ray Two of Love-Wisdom, the same as the Solar Logos.
Uranus is on Ray seven of ceremonial magic and synthesis which governs the approaching age of Aquarius.
Neptune is on Ray Six which presents the ideal accompanied by powerful emotion. This is the ray governing the passing age of Pisces.
Saturn, most closely associated with our logos, is on Ray Three as is the Earth. This demonstrates intelligent activity, especially in relation to matter.
Even though Sanat Kumara may be the original Lord of Saturn, and has descended to the earth to assist humanity, the actual Logos remains. Each planet has a core logos assisted by an advanced being who represents that logos. Sanat Kumara was its representative, but now represents the Logos of Earth. Since Saturn is still a sacred planet one would assume that another entity has been appointed to represent Saturn’s Logos until Sanat completes his work with the earth.
All the major planetary bodies radiate their influence throughout the solar system. The influence of the sacred planets is picked up by disciples with a degree of soul contact and the planets that are not sacred are picked up by general humanity.
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Handling Dead Ends
Handling Dead Ends
A reader asks this question:
If you have come to a complete wall on what to do next, is it a good idea to fast, pray and meditate on your next step?
JJ: This is a problem all of us have had from time to time. Even super human lives reach an impasse now and then and do not know which direction to take is the better.
One can understand why this would happen to the average person, but why would it happen to even the masters and beyond?
The answer is simple. All of us, high and low, are learning and we learn best by experience. Our next step in learning has many unknowns in it. You do not learn if you already know all there is in a certain area. The fact that we are ever learning tells us that all of us are attempting to discover the unknown and make it known.
This creates a problem for all us all now and then, but it is a good problem. If we didn’t have this problem then it would mean there is no more learning and if there were no more learning there would be no purpose and without learning and purpose there would be no creation and without creation all life would dissolve and we would all be as if we never were.
So, what do the masters do when they reach an apparent dead end and are not sure of their next step?
They do the same thing that we have to do. They stand still for a period of time and think about it. They do however, ask themselves a question that is often overlooked by average humanity which is this.
They assess all the things they should have accomplished with what they know and ask themselves if there is any more work that needs done before they take their next step. If the answer is yes then they understand that there may be a few things they yet need to do before a next step is possible.
So, when the disciple has done all that is possible to prepare for the next step and the next step is still unclear, then what?
For inspiration on this go back to the Parable of Decision in the first Immortal book. There we see an example of the wrong thing to do. The two who could not make a decision suffered the most. The other two who took the two paths were both far ahead of those who stood still in fear.
If one does not know what to do then he must use the first Key and Decide – decide something even if there is a good chance the decision is wrong. If the decision is a bad one the error in it will reveal itself as you move forward. Then you can see more clearly and make a good decision that was impossible earlier.
It is imperative then that we make a decision and then force ourselves to act upon it. Always try and incorporate the principle of harmlessness into that decision.
Another reader writes:
I have read extensively on soul contact yet have never experienced it. I feel hollow and am struggling. I remember your writings on life cycles and how if one does not find his purpose by age fifty, a self-destruct mechanism activates and ends the life. Part of me wants to let that mechanism activate and another part of me wants to cross the finish line victorious. I feel paraplegic in my attempts to see the purpose of this incarnation. I am obviously doing something wrong but not sure what.
JJ: You are referring to the age of crystallization and that is 54-56 years. Someone reaching this does not self-destruct, but just takes it easy on the learning curve for the rest of their lives. About 90% of humanity gets caught in this trap.
Many people are under the illusion that God has some complete plan for them and they must discover it. They often wait in vain. Why?
Because most of us have to develop our own plan. Every once in a while, a disciple will receive a revelation on what do to next but most of the time it is up to us and the sky is the limit. We can do whatever we want.
So ask yourself. What type of work do I enjoy. Then learn some more things around that which you enjoy and apply them or teach them. This will give you purpose.
Also ask yourself – what new thing can I learn that would be fulfilling? Then set about to learn that thing.
In the process of all this look back upon your life and ask yourself if there was any message from your inner self that you ignored and have not acted upon. If there was and you know it then retrieve that guidance and act upon it. This act can restore purpose very quickly.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. – Upton Sinclair
Dec 28, 2010
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Finding Peace in the Storm
Finding Peace in the Storm
A reader expressed concern over the current political situation, for there seems to be storms on the horizon everywhere with political conflict, economic threats and world instability. He wondered how Jesus reassured his disciples and what assurance could be offered us today.
Perhaps it would be wise to look at the example of the Master and see how he handled two different stormy situations.
In the first account there was a storm at sea that was so precarious that the disciples thought the ship was going to overturn and sink. They were afraid for their lives. In their terror they turned to their one hope – Jesus. Jesus was a man of miracles – maybe he could do something.
But where was Jesus???
They looked all over the ship and finally they found him. To their amazement he was sleeping. How in the world could any human being sleep in the midst of such turbulence they wondered with great curiosity.
They shook him and woke him up and pleaded with him to save them. To their surprise, Jesus seemed completely unconcerned with the danger from the storm and chastised them for their lack of faith.
Now the question that no one I know of has asked in the last 2000 years is this. Why was Jesus sleeping?
The question becomes more poignant when you consider that they were on a small boat that was being tossed to and fro. There is no way that Jesus was not aware that he was in he midst of a great storm, yet he chose to sleep even as his reclined body was tossed back and forth.
Why would he sleep in such a situation?
There are two parts to this answer.
First, he was tired and not being pestered by people wanting to be healed. This was a chance to get some rest.
Secondly, he was in touch with his spiritual center and even though danger seemed obvious, he knew that they would be protected. He knew the storm would not destroy them.
Because he knew this, he saw no reason to stay awake and pace back and forth with worry. Instead, he slept as sound as a baby until the disciples forced him to awake. Thanks to their lack of faith and no inner contact to receive assurance Jesus didn’t receive his needed rest.
Then there was a second stormy situation that Jesus handled much differently. This was in the Garden of Gethsemane where he knew he was betrayed and Roman soldiers were coming to arrest him. Again, his life seemed to be in danger.
Did he lay down to sleep again?
No. This time it was the disciples who slept. Jesus tried to wake them but instead of coming to his aid they just fell back to sleep.
Jesus was very concerned about the situation and pleaded with his Father to remove him from it.
The answer was no and he was so overcome an angel had to appear to him to strengthen him.
Now, what is the difference in the two stormy situations? The answer is key, and it is this.
In the first one Jesus knew through his inner guidance that, even though things looked bad, he was in no danger and might as well get some rest.
In the second situation the storm again looked dangerous, but this time his he inwardly perceived that the danger was real and there was no way to escape it. Because of this he was truly concerned. His faith could not alter divine will.
We as disciples are in a situation corresponding to the first storm, which was at sea. We look at the weakness of the dollar, the economy, the maddening direction our leaders are taking us and it appears that we will be swallowed up in this sea of distress.
But will we?
Have we as disciples tuned out the storm and sought guidance from within as Jesus did just before he took a peaceful nap in the midst of turbulence?
We must seek the answer within and when we get it peace will be ours in the midst of the storm to come, for we will know we will make it through.
That said, I am about ready to retire to a peaceful sleep.
Premature Birth and Astrology
I was asked if a premature birth or something that interrupts the timeline such as a caesarian or induced labor prevents the astrology chart from being accurate.
A premature birth creates little interference, as the entity designated for the body is usually aware that the birth will be premature for some time before the event. In many cases a premature birth is related to his karma.
A caesarian birth or induced labor does alter the birth time and thus the chart, but not always the rising sign. Each rising sign repeats every 24 hours and if a certain rising sign is desired as an imprint, then circumstances will often change the day of birth, but not the time of day that the person may be born.
Now let us suppose that the entity is born a week earlier than would have been naturally he case. There will be quite a few things in his chart that will be different, but also quite a few things that will be the same. The differences will not create a different destiny but different influences. For instance, maybe the alternate energies will influence him to be more introverted than he otherwise would have been.
If his rising sign is changed through induced labor then the new sign will still indicate a lesson to be learned but his main destiny will be somewhat hidden, but will still be subtly there in other parts of his chart.
At the time of birth whether it be natural or induced we receive an imprint of astrological energies that influence us for a lifetime. Note, I say influence and not control.
Times of general calamity and confusion have ever been productive of the greatest minds. The purest ore is produced from the hottest furnace, and the brightest thunderbolt is elicited from the darkest storms. – Charles Caleb Colton
Dec 27, 2010
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