Two in One

2000-4-21 19:57:00

Craig writes:
"I was here for the last major go-around concerning your "overshadowing" thesis. I have also sifted the archives, but may have missed things.

"You say: '....I opened my mind I received a revelation and demonstration on the matter...' Receiving a revelation is fine, but that does little to help me to understand your understanding. Which of the following are you saying?

"1.) One of our spirit siblings incarnated through Joseph and Mary, was an ordinary child, grew until, at age 30, his spirit left (or moved over a bit) and God the Father entered the body of Jesus (clearly a walk-in situation). OR

2.) One of our spirit siblings incarnated through Joseph and Mary, was an ordinary child, grew until, at age 30, his path led him to a crossroads, wherein he attained continuous communication with his Father. The veil between Jesus and Father was not there. Their minds were one, as may all of our minds become if we attain this oneness.

JJ:
Glad to clear this up Craig. You are certainly right in not blindly trusting the revelation of others, especially after the learning experiences you have gone through.

#1 is the closest. The entity who incarnated as Jesus was Joshua from the time of Moses. His mission was to nurture a near perfect vehicle of expression that was to be used by the Christ, who was Melchizedek in a past age. By vehicle I mean the combination of body, emotions and mind. He was to learn all that was possible in that age in order to provide the best possible means of expression for the mission.

At the baptism John saw the Spirit of the Christ descend and enter into Jesus. This spirit that entered into him was the "Son of God" without father or mother here on the earth. This was much different from a walk in. It was the highest order of overshadowing and would more technically be called "divine possession."

You learned in the Mormon Church that evil entities are not original, but copy and alter the things of God. Even so it is with possession. The difference is that evil possesses by force, but the good possesses with cooperation and free will.

When Christ entered into the body, Jesus did not walk out, but the two were in one body at one time. This was such an overwhelming experience that Jesus departed into the wilderness to fast for 40 days in order to commune with his Master and gain an understanding of how the partnership was supposed to work.

After the 40 days Jesus attuned himself to his Master's vibration and the two minds functioned almost as one mind. It was a little like two entities using one mind?two keyboards, one computer?except the communion was through the science of impression rather than words.

This is why Jesus insisted over and over that he was not the originator of the greatest of the works and words such as in the following quote:
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: But THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOTH THE WORKS."

This is why Jesus said he represented the testimony of "two men." "Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: FOR I AM NOT ALONE, BUT I AND THE FATHER THAT SENT ME. It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that beareth witness of myself, AND the Father that sent me beareth witness of me." (John 8:14-18)

On the cross the Christ left the body, leaving Jesus alone. This is why he made the exclamation of the Father forsaking him.

I have written quite a bit on this subject. If you can't find it, let me know and I could post it again.

This is such a different doctrine than anything you learned in Mormonism that it may take a spiritual witness before you will accept it. For that matter, it's fairly contrary to any standard Christian belief.

Note to Paul:
When I talked about the Christ being the Father as well as the Son I was not speaking as one representing the first aspect, but in the aspect of giving and receiving. He was the Father (the giver-sender) and the Son Jesus - (the receiver).