A Thing of Naught

2000-2-17 04:55:00

Sterling writes: "At least J.J. admitted today that he's never been ashamed of being called a New Ager."

JJ: I wouldn't call it an admission any more than you might "admit" to being called a patriot. It is a proud declaration.

Sterling further writes: "He redefines it in such an innocent sounding way that basically everyone could be called a New Ager. If we redefined the word Christian an equally nebulous way, then everyone would fall into the classification of Christian. Such redefinitions do nothing for communication for they defy the connotations behind words that make the words meaningful so that when a person uses that word, everyone has a pretty good idea of what the person means. But when we go redefining everything, then it becomes a mass of confusion. Black becomes white and white becomes black. It is a tricky slight of hand."

JJ: You are guilty of what you are accusing me of here. A New Ager is simply one who looks forward to and believes in a "new" and better "age" to come. The term is pretty self explanatory.

Now enemies of those looking forward to a better world or age for some perverse reason, despise new agers and do everything in their emotional power to portray them as evil and satanic (with no basis in reason). The enemies of the new age conjure up their own definitions of what a new ager is and declare that this is reality merely because they state it. Do Mormons allow their enemies to define what a Mormon is? Would you, being an excommunicated Mormon, allow the authorities in the Mormon Church to define the purpose of your "Greater Things" website???

Yet you have, with no apparent discernment on your part, swallowed the definition of a new ager put forth by the enemies of a loving and harmless segment of society. The fact that New Agers are a loosely knitted group who believe in a new and better age to come is not a redefinition. You, Sterling, are promoting the distorted definition.

Sterling writes: "Okay, so let's suppose I just sit down in your classroom with you and go along with you and we form this molecule of which J.J. is speaking, and then it comes time to DOING something as a unit. If those who make up this molecule include many with sympathies for the socialist (coerced philanthropy) New World Order, it would seem that the incarnating new entity would likewise have such a disposition (like attracts like), and I would not want to be part of such a molecule. That is why it is important to me that there be a nominal level agreement on some of these most fundamental principles."

JJ There you go using the distortion principle again. Now you keep throwing out Satan and Lucifer in relation to me and the list, but do you not realize that it is the Dark Brothers who use distortion as a technique when they attack their enemies. Distort the views of those with whom you disagree and then this makes you look more correct and more like the good guy. Hitler called the Jews Satan's children long enough, and pretty soon a lot of people believed it.

Now you falsely accuse us of believing in "coerced philanthropy" and such coercion runs contrary to every fiber of my being as well as most of the people on the list. If like gathers to like then we are gathering people who believe in the principle of freedom even more than your group does.

Freedom is a principle that is worked out in practice rather than speech only. No one in our group has in the slightest attempted to infringe upon your freedoms or the freedom of any in your group or any individual. Yet you come here and impose many posts that infringe on the freedom of our group to pursue the desired subject. We allow you to do so for a certain tolerance is necessary, but if you are such a purist for freedom you must realize that people on this list have of their free will chosen to learn the lessons that I am presenting. Many consider it an infringement of this freedom to be heckled from the sidelines as potential or current devil worshippers.

Imagine a fundamentalist going into a science class and accusing the teacher of being in league with the devil because he is teaching that the earth is more than 6,000 years old, and insists the class revolve around his narrow ideas rather than scientific exploration as was the design of the class. Who is the one with the lesser regard for freedom - the teacher or the student turned heckler?

For instance your statement: "The spirit of God is the spirit of freedom (Alma), and if you are not repulsed by what Stalin and Hitler and Clinton etc. have done to scrap our freedoms, then I have to wonder if you are in touch with the Spirit of God" is a totally unfounded statement outside of a desire (conscious or unconscious) to deceive and distract.

Sterling: "What I am saying is that if there is such a blindness about this most crucial issue, it makes me pause to wonder how many areas are blind as well, which makes me wonder just where you are headed with all it. You might achieve an overshadowing all right, but it very well could be a Luciferian overshadowing."

JJ: Joseph Smith saw a portion of the Molecular Order and saw that those who were not a part of it within their eternal progression would remain in a "separate and single" situation. Even so the Dark Brothers are incapable of joining to draw down a group life form. As Jesus said, if one is not connected to the vine he will wither and die. If we are not connected to the vine of life then no type of greater life can manifest. The dark ones can influence groups through thought forms and overshadow on an individual basis, but they cannot duplicate what happened on the day of Pentecost. That is beyond their power.

Perhaps instead of pointing the accusing finger at us, conjured up illusionary reasons to accuse, you should examine yourself and ask God in prayer if you are in danger of fighting against a great light making "a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of naught." (II Nephi 27:31-32) If the light and knowledge presented here is not in alignment with the Purpose of God, then where are the revelations from Him? Do you have them, or did God fall asleep with the death of Joseph Smith?

By the way I too loved Jennifer's advice: "Come and spend a bit of time under the warm sun, in the surf and on the golden sand and appreciate how things are NOW." This is a good reminder for all of us.