Something has certainly stimulated the list. There have definitely been more posts than I can comment on?some very interesting reading though. I enjoy all of you, especially the friendly conflict.
OK, time to catch up on a few questions. I realize that some of your questions may be delayed here and I am bound to miss some of them. If I do, and the question is important to you, ask it again.
As far as the shroud of Turin goes I have not put a lot of energy in contemplating it and do not have an answer one way or another. If I had to guess I would say that science itself has a mission with regard to it and will eventually prove the truth of the matter.
If it is the true shroud of Jesus, then the full story may be revealed when science has done all it can do. But first the Vatican has to be more cooperative with additional testing.
Someone asked about the writings of Lobsang Rampa. I'm not sure if all his personal experiences he relates are true, but there are a lot of teachings in his books that are very stimulating. It's not a bad idea to read several of his books before you advance to Alice A. Bailey.
I learned to see auras by using his teachings so I at least proved to myself that he knew what he was talking about in that area.
His teachings of the oversoul are not quite accurate. The true oversoul for humans is the higher life that permeates the whole human kingdom as a whole. In addition to this, there is the oversoul of the whole planet and the Ancient of Days is the representative of this. Through the use of this oversoul he can be omnipresent on this planet and commune with his own Father/Teacher who is the Solar Logos.
The Ancient of Days is called the Great Watcher because he spends a high percentage of his time "watching," from his secret place, the progress of the planet and all the lives on it as a whole. Through the principle of omnipresence (as far as this earth goes) he focuses on the beginning and the end and the power of his thought is picked up by the billions of lives, (sometimes ever so subtlety).
Through the magnetic power of his thought and the focus of his attention, all things gravitate toward the end product of the decisions he has made. All that happens between the beginning and the end not even he can predict, nor does he desire to. His focus is always with the end in mind and all lives through free will eventually pick up the signals and fall in line.
When Christ comes again the Ancient one will focus attention on him and also humanity as a whole much more than he has in the past. Thus from a higher point of view the Ancient of Days will come as spoken by Daniel.
Some may also have visions of him. He has no plans to incarnate on the earth until the final or seventh root race evolves on the earth. He will most likely initiate the final race of androgynous humans that will walk the earth as Gods compared to current humanity. He incarnated as the first Adam and will eventually come back as the last Adam.
Some teach that we split into several entities, or become fragmented. Such is not the case. We were all created through the process of "reflection", or as the Bible says, made in the image of God. As entities we can join with others and create an oversoul for a group, or a group life, but it is not necessary for us to concentrate on finding pieces of ourselves so we can become whole. The fullness of the Godhead is within us and we can manifest all the powers of godliness by cultivating the Spirit of God within us.
The principle of walk-ins is a true principle and is different from an overshadowing. A walk-in usually happens when an advanced soul sees an opportunity to accomplish a great or good work. He then finds a person of compatible vibration who is discouraged with his life and makes a deal to exchange places. The frustrated person gets some lifting of karma through his cooperating and moves on to the Spirit World. Then the disciple completely takes over the body. This has happened many times to change the course of history. Abraham Lincoln was one famous example.
With an overshadowing you have two entities in one body. The original entity still has the power of decision over the body, but he is so committed to his Master who is with him that he follows all instructions that are passed on to him. If he does not, or the mission is not successful for some other reason, the Master will leave and do other work.
A true overshadowing is usually testified to by a second witness. For instance, John was the witness to the overshadowing of Jesus for he saw the Spirit descend and "remain" in him and thereafter testified to his disciples about the coming of Christ.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
So what Father was this he was speaking of when he was but a boy not having had the ordinances?
The Father/Son Teacher/Student relationship is the same. When Jesus was speaking of his Father at age twelve this was the disciple Jesus speaking of the Christ who was to come. Even though he was not completely overshadowed until about 30 years of age, the young Jesus had a connecting link with the Christ and received much communion from him before the overshadowing. Before the overshadowing, the Christ was also a "Watcher" and focused a lot of attention on Jesus.
Some other thoughts; that which descended on him at his baptism was the infinite spirit not a third entity that possessed his body. Since you quoted also D&C 88:50 let me quote another verse from that chapter:
41 He comprehendeth all things, and all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are by him, and of him, even God, forever and ever.
Concerning John it is written:
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
If John was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb then surely Jesus was too. The Holy Spirit is a universal presence and is available to all who seek it within.
Let me repeat my comment on the overshadowing of Jesus. As we examine the scriptures we see that the meaning is far different than imagined, for John gives us a leading clue:
"This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. AND I KNEW HIM NOT: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I coming baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. and I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, UPON WHOM THOU SHALT SEE THE SPIRIT DESCENDING AND REMAINING ON HIM, THE SAME IS HE WHICH BAPTIZETH WITH 'THE HOLY GHOST. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God." (John 1:30-34)
John saw "the Spirit" descend and remain with Jesus. Now since the Holy Spirit is universal and Jesus was already in communion with it, as was his cousin John, then what was the Spirit that came down and "remained" with him?
Jesus said quite clearly, over and over, that it was not him that was doing the great works, but the "Father" that dwelt within him. This Father was the Spirit of Christ that John witnessed descend and remain in Jesus.
Jesus even said point blank that there were "two men" who bore witness of his mission - he and his Father within him.
Rick seemed to understand that I taught that the Ancient of Days overshadowed Jesus. If I gave that impression it is incorrect. The Christ who was Melchizedek in a past life was the overshadowing entity. There was a link with the Ancient of Days, but not an overshadowing.
Gary mentioned that Joseph Smith saw God the Father and the Christ, but do you realize that he never made such a claim? He said he saw "two personages" and one introduced the other as "my beloved Son."
Many of the members of the Brotherhood of Light have a Father/Son; Student/Teacher Relationship. The two personages could have been the Christ and Jesus or Mormon and Moroni. Brigham Young called them two angels.
Blayne also writes:
"My main concern is the adulation, and what I consider manipulative and deceptive tactics etc. as I have expressed. While adulation to some degree is not bad, in every case I have ever studied or experienced that it went on for any length of time, it leads to pride and pride goeth before the fall. The Mormons are one of many examples of this. Blayne"
I am not aware of manipulative of deceptive tactics. Are you just picking these words from the ethers or are you just looking for a fight? I do not believe anyone who has been on the list for a while thinks that way of me, not even my skeptics.
Yes, I do have a book for sale, but it is a stretch to call that a deceptive thing to do. Why don't you go pick on Steven King? Must I apologize because I cannot afford to give the book away for free?
I do not think anyone of the list has adulation for me. I do believe some appreciate me and I appreciate them in return.
Speaking of appreciation, I thank you Jean for your kind words. That means much more to me than your adulation. Also I appreciated Zina's post and look forward to greater oneness with her.
I would also like to express my appreciation to all of you. Jesus said we could recognize disciples by their fruits. I think that overall the people on this list are as good a fruit as there is. We may not be perfect, but I feel that if I needed help there would be no better people to call upon.
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