The Fifth & More

2009-7-11 01:49:00

Here are some references that can be found here at FreeRead.Com that may help those who wish to research the topic of Initiation.

You can find a complete presentation that I gave on Initiation during the 2003 Gathering in this indexed collection of archived articles entitled The Nauvoo Gathering. Note: Start with Part 6 and read forward.

Here is a collection of quotes on Initiation taken from my words and works at:

http://www.freeread.com/archives/initiation-quotes.php

Quoting me, Dan writes:

'"In the fifth initiation, the disciple receives a revelation that he has to take to the world. [...] When that revelation is taken to the world successfully, he then has the opportunity to become a Master of Wisdom."'

http://freeread.com/archives/2303.php

Dan then writes:

"What might define/determine when a revelation "has been taken to the world successfully" - Publication? When a particular number of folks believe, follow or teach it? When it has manifested physically -- like the lightbulb. What?"

JJ:

One of the problems with teaching the Fifth Initiation is the lack of examples. Jesus worked on his fourth and the Christ his sixth and began his seventh. According to DK [Djwhal Khul], Jesus completed his fifth as Apollonius of Tyana. Most probably Moses completed his fifth before he was translated.

DK does not talk about his fifth or how any of his fellow masters accomplished theirs.

To complete the fifth involves more than getting a revelation and publishing it. After the disciple completes the fourth and approaches the fifth he will indeed receive a revelation involving principles or a vision of work to do. The revelation will involve the incorporation of higher knowledge, but it will be knowledge that the disciple not only has to anchor in the world, but also incorporate into his own life. He must transmute the vision into workable reality. When he accomplishes this to the satisfaction of his inner self then heaven and earth will meet in him and he will obtain power to sustain his body with vital energy as long as it serves higher purpose.

David writes:

"I think of God as the director of the broadway play we call The Universe. To simplify, I limit the play to just this earth's inhabitants (plant, animal, human). The director does not attempt to have the dark characters be as good as they can. For the play to be successful, each character follows the script. And without conflict, their wouldn't be a story to tell.

"My question to the group was whether that belief comports to the system of teachings this group is based on, ie DK. I don't think it does and hence why I laid out my thinking step-by-step to see where we deviate."

JJ:

First let me make it clear that unlike the churches and many organizations we do not have a strict set of teachings that members have to accept without question. Anything that I say or any quote from any source is open to question. If a teaching is given here and someone thinks they can present a greater light on the subject then they are welcome to try. All we ask is that students be civil in their discourse.

New people are welcome to challenge any presentation here, but they should also expect to be challenged themselves if something they say does not make sense.

The basic guide here are that teachings should ring true to the soul and make sense to the mind and heart.

That said, let us examine your idea that God has produced a correspondence to a Broadway play in creating the universe.

There is one problem with this correlation. Where is the audience? Who writes a play to be watched by himself alone? That would be no fun.

What would be fun for God is to reflect Himself with an unlimited number of creations in His image and then plunge into a complicated universe that becomes an extremely complex puzzle from which to work Himself out.

A good game is always fun for any life form -- even God; and we are all involved as his reflections in solving the problems of creation and guiding it toward a satisfying end and mastering all the challenges along the way.

You might want to read "The Grand Tour" in my book "Eternal Words."

"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt."
-- Clarence Darrow (1857 - 1938)