Fertilizer

2008-12-22 15:59:00

Quoting from Message Number 38880 written by Larry K. (LWK), JJ continues with by using a quote from an ongoing discussion between he and LWK:

LWK quoting JJ from Message Number 38874:

"What principle are you using to which I am blinded?"

LWK:

"The primary principle that you are blinded to is one of the most fundamental of all. 'A is A.' A thing is what it is, and no amount of wishing for it to be otherwise can change that principle."

JJ:

I don't think I would call this a principle. I would say that the principle of correctly identifying or describing reality works through the principle of perception.

First of all, most every conscious person on the planet believes "'A' is 'A'." For instance -- show 10 people an apple and they will admit that it is an apple. But what we are talking about involves more than seeing one simple thing or object and admitting it exists. We are talking about a subject with many nuances where we have to match up "ACDGFH" with "BCDEFJ" and use the harmonies to see the truth.

If the problem of you and I reaching agreement were as simple as seeing that "A=A" then why does no one seem to be agreeing with you? The "A" that you are seeing must not be that obvious. Perhaps it is not just a simple "A," but a more complex problem.

LWK:

"You make grand plans and ignore some basic facts of reality.

"What are some of those facts?

"1. You have no credible explanation of how you will convince a lot of people to place MP at the head of the line in terms of their most important issue (which you have to do to get them to vote MP (Molecular Politics), instead of supporting their former pet issues like gun control, abortion, or whatever)."

JJ:

Yes, I do. Many people's most important issues are supported by the majority. When they see that a system can be in play so the majority prevails then their issue(s) will prevail.

LWK:

"2. You have no credible explanation of how you will get Democrats and Republicans to work together in an MP effort when neither side trusts the other (both think the other side is dishonest and will steal an election if possible)."

JJ:

Sometimes I wonder if you read my material.

Whether a Molecular Politician is a Democrat or Republican will make no difference for they will vote the will of the people. Working with the opposing party or party leaders on voting will be a moot point.

As far as cooperation beyond voting, things will continue pretty much as they are now, but this matters little, for how a representative actually votes is the important thing.

LWK:

"3. You no credible explanation of how you will grow such an organization to the size needed to elect MP candidates. This needs to take into account the fact that your organization will have no power or results to motivate the rank and file until you can actually get a very significant number of people to agree to work together in MP.

"So yes, that is the basic principle involved. A is A. Facts are Facts. No amount of dreaming and wishing that does not respect that basic principle is likely to succeed."

JJ:

Maybe not for your extremely skeptical mind but others have followed me and see the potential.

Let me repeat:

Step one:   Get the idea before the attention of the media through a book (or other means) and many appearances on talk shows.

Step Two:   Create an organization to gather those who take interest.

Step Three:   Find Molecular candidates and promote them.

Step Four:   Grow the organization through fundraising and media publicity.

Sounds pretty simple to me. If we do not do it someone else eventually will.

LWK:

"The Master himself gave one of the best principles of all.

"'No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.' [Matthew 9:16-17 (KJV)]"

JJ:

And that is a principle I endorse wholeheartedly. Molecular Politics does not sew a patch on an old garment. It does not seek to reform either party but to create something entirely new with no ties to either party.

It will, however, use them as fertilizer for new growth.