2008-7-18 13:02:00
Dan and Ash posted some interesting comments on potential gas savings through using water. I thought this was worth of placing in the archives. Following this I am posting a story of a local guy here in Idaho who has developed a method of increasing mileage through more efficient burning. Both methods claim up to 70% increase. Let us suppose they were both used. That would cause a 140% increase. This would mean that a car that normally gets 25 MPG would get 60 MPG.
It looks to me that there is a great financial opportunity available for someone. With the water system people just sell you instructions, but people like me do not have the time to study such instructions and then install ourselves. On the other hand, if there were a local person who would do it for me at a reasonable price I would jump at the opportunity.
Why do these people do not exist?
I do not know. Perhaps it has something to do with potential lawsuits.
Whatever the case this opportunity is worth checking out and combining these two systems looks very promising to me.
Ash wrote:
"I'm actually making a water fuel maker for my car right now. I'll post results as soon as I am done. Here's the url:
"http://www.water4gas.com/
"It's not a 100% water fueled car, but it can increase gas mileage by as much as 70%. That means my 25 MPG car can get close to 45 MPG and even more with some gas saving techniques. That would help immensely too. Anyone who wants the plans, I have them-- they are public domain. There are some things I can see that will improve their design too, so maybe I can make it even more efficient."
Dan wrote:
"I did some research on this (thanks Ash for alerting me to it) and came across a good website (Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices) that has a variety of alternate designs for which the DETAILED plans are completely free of charge:
"http://www.free-energy-info.com/ (Chapter 10 has the automotive devices).
"I have built a prototype of the system Ash mentions (water4gas) out of a mayonnaise jar using helical coils of heavy copper wire just to see if it actually produces anything and if that anything is combustible and it IS - monumentally so. If anyone experiments, be careful.
"The H - H - O (HHO is copyrighted) (hydroxy) (Brown's gas) gas it produces is very explosive. It apparently (not tested yet), when 'pure' (not mixed with petrol) has the strange property of burning so cool you can run the flame over your hand but when applied to OTHER solids such as metals or even ceramic it will burn right through the material. Once I get a real one built, I will test some of that.
"One thing to keep in mind is if you use it on a 1996 or newer vehicle (with a computer) you MUST use an additional device to trick the computer (by hooking in to either the oxygen or MAP/MAF sensor) into leaning the fuel/air mixture as the H - H - O (Hydroxy) gas it produces will cause more oxygen in the exhaust causing the computer to richen the mixture (use more fuel) and effectively eliminating most of the fuel savings.
"Another think(s) - DO bubble the output through water (to scrub the electrolyte (lye) from the gas before it enters your engine) and DON'T pipe it into any intake line with high vacuum as it is likely to suck the electrolyte (and/or bubbler water) right into the engine (especially if your first prototype was made from a PLASTIC mayo jar instead of glass.
"BTW FYI, I have a 1995 Saturn SL1 (100k miles on the motor) which when driving 55 MPH on the highway gets about 42 MPG after ONLY the addition of a K & N high-flow, cool-air intake filter system on it (available at autozone, takes about 15 min to install, costs $100-$200 depending on vehicle and maint. costs of $10/3-6000mi to clean). I am planning on mounting my prototype mayo-booster on this vehicle to see if I get any noticeable additional MPGs.
"As an aside I have a 1996 SL1 with the same engine, only with 135k miles, which only gets about 35 MPG with the same K&N filter installed - the only difference I know of is that blasted computer installed between the 1995 (ODB I) and 1996 (ODB II) models."
(End of quotes taken from posts made by members of The Keys.)
WEISER, Idaho - With gas prices on the rise, one Idaho man has a new invention he claims will increase fuel efficiency by 70-percent.
See the video...
Thomas Jones of Weiser first came up with something he calls a fuel expansion system in the 1980's - and with the help of a government patent and a marketing group he says we could see this technology in cars and on the roads as early as next year.
He calls it a Fuel Expansion System or FES.
He came up with the idea around 1980 when money was tight and he was traveling to and from therapy recovering from a mining accident.
"I was fueling up my car one day, and I said, you know, the vapor coming out of this gas tank while I'm fueling it, the fumes you can smell, that's perfect fuel, so I started playing around with them and building them to make that vapor," he said.
His first model was made in a gallon jar.
"I made a top for it with some bubbler tubes and put some liquid gas in it, and then my out take here that goes into the engine intake creates the vacuum in the chamber, and creates the fuel for me," he said.
Using a similar set up, Jones took a 1984 V-6 Ford LTD and tested it before and after installing his system.
With four passengers in the LTD he says he now gets 39 miles per gallon compared to the 23 MPG before he installed the system.
That's a 70% increase in fuel efficiency.
He says his tests are even better with this air compressor showing a 150% increase in efficiency. That increases the running time from one hour to two and a half hours.
"Ford has a hybrid out, it's an SUV, the V6 motor in it, is a little bit smaller than mine, and they're, they finally achieved 34 miles per gallon, so their five miles per gallon behind me," Jones said.
Jones says his technology, patented in 2004 could be combined with hybrid technology.
"Then the mileage would just shoot up a lot higher."
Jones says any internal combustion engine that uses gasoline will be able to use this system.
Once on the market he estimates it will cost around $1200.
Initially looking to extend gas mileage Jones stumbled upon something else.
He says after checking the emissions he removed carbon monoxide from the exhaust - leaving carbon dioxide, water vapor and oxygen coming out the tail pipe.
In high smog areas he believes the air going into the engine will be dirtier than the exhaust coming out.
( http://www.mpgresearch.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2177 )
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