Re: More On Contemplation

Tue May 13, 2008 11:46 am

Dan asks:

"What is the IDEAL, formless, seedless, objectless meditation DK refers to here? 'Only when all forms and the field of knowledge itself are lost sight of, and the knower recognizes himself for what he essentially is (being lost in contemplation of his own pure spiritual nature), can ideal, formless, seedless, objectless meditation be arrived at.' See further quotes below."

JJ:

DK [Djwhal Khul] here is talking about contemplative meditation ("being lost in contemplation") which I call a positive meditation as opposed to the negative meditation which is passive where the student just lets go and empties himself.

He is talking about a state that few have arrived at -- the highest which the student can aspire in his foreseeable future, but not the absolute highest.

To arrive at this state the student must first master the art of contemplation. He starts with focussing his attention using many of the standard methods taught in the world. Many current students have mastered the basic attention step in past lives and are ready to concentrate on seed thoughts. When they have learned to make seed thoughts expand through contemplation then they are ready to go to the Buddhic plane and higher where "black-and-white" seed thoughts are not used but the seeker plunges his contemplative skills into the formless where he realizes his oneness with God. Here he senses the Oneness Principle and the understanding of all principles are available to him. When he withdraws from the formless his physical brain will register some of the principles that passed through his contemplative self and his consciousness and understanding will be enhanced.

In the formless there is no black-and-white seed thought but there is still seed and that seed is whatever is there to be experienced and discovered. Your soul will bring down to the physical brain that which is needed in the physical reality.

Most of the great discoveries that have been grasped by mankind have been through formless contemplation. Einstein was sometimes so lost in thought on his walks that when he came back to the physical he couldn't remember where he was. He was lost in formless contemplation and when he came back his physical brain only registered a small portion of what he experienced, but that small portion was a large portion for mankind.

Dan:

"So if seedless meditation (as referred to in the DK quotes included below) 'generally takes you to the astral world,' where else can it UN-generally take one?"

JJ:

That which was referred by DK is contemplative meditation and does not take you to the astral world. That which can open up the astral world is non contemplative negative meditation with no seed. This type of meditation will take the seeker to his own level. If he is astral (which most people are) it will take him to the astral level. However, through contemplation an astral person can reach up to a higher level than normal.

Dan:

"Where does the concept of this 'further stage of expanded consciousness' ... 'in which the senses and the mind are superseded' and 'the formless levels or planes of our solar system are contacted, seen and known' as outlined by DK below fit (especially see the last quote), if it does, into the scheme of your teachings?

JJ:

He uses the words "solar system" because he intends his words to be interpreted on several levels depending on the evolution of the disciple.

He is pointing toward a goal toward which the disciple should aspire, but each disciple must realize that he must take a step at a time and cannot achieve mastery in one flying leap. The one giant step toward liberation is an astral delusion that sidetracks many seekers for long periods of time. It varies from the Christian who thinks he has found the ultimate salvation to the new ager who has found the ultimate dimension or consciousness.

The last veil of illusion you ask about is withdrawn when the disciple, through contemplation, realizes his true nature as being one with God. For most such believers this is an academic thing, but to the one who knows it is an understanding that cannot be fully communicated to those who do not have this realization.

"There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept."
-- Ansel Adams (1902 - 1984)

Word of the Day

Ab Initio -- From the beginning.

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