Re: (Off Topic) - One Last Comment
Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:41 pm
The problem here Susan is you do not seem to register what I see as
the differences. I agree with all you post below but it does not
come close to identifying the differentiation I was getting at. As I
always say I wish members to comment on what I do say, not on what I
do not say.
Yes, DK [Djwhal Khul], Tolle and myself all talk of the advantages of "Being."
That has never been in dispute. The difference between Tolle and myself is
not that he believes in Being and I do not -- far from it. The
difference is he subscribes to the basic tenet of the "Nothingness Philosophy"
and I do not. Go back and look at the difference in
approach between Paul Yu and myself and you'll find that many of those differences will apply
to Tolle and myself. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Paul Yu would agree with most of Tolles
teachings. He would certainly lean much more toward Tolle than me. This bet
would apply to all the other Nothingness people who have ever been on the
list. The only one I know that remains is Dean and he has expressed
harmony with Tolle.
Here is the basic difference:
Tolle believes the created world is basically a source of pain that
seems to serve no purpose except we need to escape from it. When we
do this world and all its effects will be as if it never was. In the
end we will be as we were in the beginning so we came here for nothing
and all creation exists for no purpose except to escape from.
Both DK [Djwhal Khul] and myself see it differently. First, the goal is not to
escape until we have fulfilled the goals of experience here. It is
detrimental for the average person to focus on leaving this world
before he has gained the experience he came here to attain. When we
do go from precept to precept and line upon line until we do master
all things and creation folds up creation is not as if it never was.
DK describes the great pralaya as "not as that which is not, but that
which is esoteric." That which we take with is "the quality of
conscious knowledge and he fruit of all experience."
This cannot happen in Tolle's Nothingness Philosophy because he says
that when all is said and done the world of creation with all us egos
will be as if it never was.
DK talks about the first solar system and even though it is no more in
the world of form he talks frequently of how its past existence still
has a powerful effect on our present. Tolle says that only the present
matters.
From Tolle's perspective it should have no effect since it has gone to
the Unmanifest.
The problem of Tolle placing so much emphasis on the fruitlessness of
this world is that many followers will put premature attention on
escape and wind up being of no use to God and man, similar to Tolle
during he two years he spent on a park bench just dreaming of
otherworldliness. It's a good thing some well meaning souls still in
this world gave him some scraps to eat.
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