Opposites Again

2006-9-10 04:39:00

Dean, my Friend,

You are reverting here to disagreeing with every line I write. This was one of the reasons you were thrown off the list. I let you back in because you promised to be more constructive. This approach creates several problems.

That said, I'm sure some members wonder why I let your latest post through. It not only offers numerous refutations but it takes us back to the duality subject which we normally try to avoid.

I let your post through for two reasons:

  1. I made a post on opposites so it is on topic, and;
  2. You brought up several points that interested me and may be of interest to members.

Here's what I recommend to you if you disagree and want to get your posts approved. Instead of disagreeing with 100 percent of what I say pick one or two points and comment on or question them. It doesn't take all my writing time to comment on one or two points if I decide it is of interest to the group.

I will now comment on several of your points:

Dean writes:

Can I ask, what makes hate less real compared to the other emotions? Why would it be any exception.

I never said hate was less real than the other emotions. All the emotions from the astral plane have a beginning and end and thus are not real from a higher point of view. They seem real to us and hate seems as real as the rest.

Higher love which does not originate in the emotional body is eternal as Paul says: "charity endureth forever." Charity, of course, is a little bit of a mistranslation. The original Greek is love, love endures forever.

He was talking about the unselfish love that Christ brought, not the lower love. If lower love endured forever then we would have no divorce.

Dean:

Forgive me if I am confused, but love is love right? Lower love and higher love. It is still love. So why complicate it? This was about opposites.

To say that love is love, or all love is the same, indicates to me that you have only felt one of the octaves of love. When you experience the higher spiritual love and contrast it to the lower you will never again say that love is love or all the same.

Dean:

You made the point that hate was based on illusion. And love was real. But now your saying that hate is interconnected with love. So according to what you were saying. How is it then possible that love can be interconnected with something that is not real?

If you reread my post you'll see that I was talking about astral love which is no more real than hate.

Astral love (which is the highest love most people have experienced) and hate are a lower reflection of divine love. A reflection is reversed and not seen correctly. When the reflected love is distorted it turns to negative emotion such as hate.

Consider the two great lights in our sky. The first is the Sun. This generates its own light and corresponds to divine love. The second is the moon. It does not generate any light, but reflects the real source of light. The reflection is much dimmer than the original.

Even so, the reflected love we see among general humanity is very dim when contrasted to the higher spiritual love that motivated Christ and other servants of humanity.

Dean quoting me:

No love would not be the opposite of love because the opposite of love must repel. No love would exist between hate and love and would neither attract nor repel.

Dean:

We are talking about the absence of love. The absence of love does not exist between hate and love. It just is not present at all. True?

The absence of love often exists between love and hate. George falls crazy in love with Sally. After a year he grows bored and falls out of love. He neither loves or hates her but is in a zero state of astral love toward her. Then Sally sues him for all he has in a divorce and afterwards runs over his Harley Davidson with her car. Now he hates her with the same passion as he previously loved her. Zero love was between these two extremes.

Dean:

Hate also is said to have no love present. that is why it's different ways of saying the same thing.

This statement makes no sense to me.

Dean:

You say the opposite of love must repel. Its extreme which is hate does that. When we say "no love" That refers to something that does not have love. True? So if something does not have love. Then it must have its opposite present. Which is hate.

No. When George was in a state of no love he neither loved nor hated Sally.

Dean:

Just like with the absence of light, darkness must be present. You are saying the absence of light is not darkness. That does not make sense. Because darkness must be present if light is not.

Using your logic the opposite of heavy would be no weight. No weight is not its opposite, but light in weight is the opposite of heavy in weight. Neither are weightless or no weight.

We call the night dark but it is not completely dark for we still have the moon and the stars giving light. Even if one goes into a dark cave the atoms of the surrounding matter will still be giving off light invisible to our normal seeing.

In the day time there is also no ultimate light but a contrast of light and darkness.

Opposition as defined by the dictionary is created by finding the midway point and calibrating opposite points in the divergent directions.

Dean quoting me:

For instance a Porsche and a Ford both run on wheels, but that does not make them the same car.

Dean:

That is not what is meant by the view of those that describe opposites as the same nature. What is meant by this is that the reality behind the creation has the same building blocks that make up everything.

So because a Ford and a Porsche are made with the same building blocks this would mean they are the same car according to your logic. I find this amusing.

Dean quoting me:

If we were to go the sophist direction and maintain that opposites like hot and cold are the same because of a common ingredient then we would have to say that everything in the universe is the same and we would only need one word to sum everything up.

Dean:

Everything in the universe is a whole. I think that word your looking for is "god".

I wasn't looking for such a word for it does not exist. Saying the word "God" does not make everything in his creation the same. Saying God does not make hot, cold and cold, hot.

If you don't run your own life, somebody else will.
John Atkinson