Re: Time and Space

2006-1-12 15:50:00

Larry quotes me:

"You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say I believed in it."

There are two possibilities. Either you believe that "infinity" is a meaningful concept in the world of form, or you do not.

Which is it?

It has some meaning as a theoretical mathematical point but I do not believe it exists in reality.

Larry:

Actually your writings on the subject are somewhat contradictory and ambiguous. Sometimes you talk about infinity as if it does exist, or could exist. Other times you seem to say that it can't.

My realization that there is no such thing as infinity came recently - probably a couple years ago. When I wrote that God reflected himself to infinity (originally written in 1980) I was going with the orthodox idea of infinity which I have since examined and received additional light. To be technically correct, as I now teach, it should read that God reflected himself toward the theoretical infinite or God reflected himself toward unlimited expansion so all possibilities could be experienced.

This doesn't really contradict the original principle I was teaching but gives additional light in my opinion.

Larry:

What I see is that you are "picking and choosing" to use the concept of "infinity" and "infinite" where you like. In one place you hold it as invalid, and in another you hold it as valid.

In my early writings I accepted the idea of infinity. In my later ones I have rejected it. For those who want me to confess I have been wrong - this is another example of where I have made a mistake. I was wrong to buy into the orthodox idea of infinity in my early writings. I plan on editing them one day to reflect my current thinking.

Larry:

"If the universe is reduced to a singularity (whatever size it is) and we have no form, space and movement in which to register in consciousness then there would be no time for us. Time must have motion of form registered by consciousness to exist."

I believe that you believe that you are using meaningful words in a meaningful way.

A "singularity" is an abstract concept of physics that has no more reality than the infinite regression of a transcendental irrational number.

Existence, space, and time do not depend on our consciousness. If we did not exist "there would be no time for us." That says nothing about whether there would be time. It says something about our consciousness.

You are making a fundamental error here which has been the subject of philosophy for some time. Existence, including time, is independent of our consciousness.

You are missing my point again and arguing against a straw man. I have said we incarnate into time, but when we are not in it, time does not exist for us because there is no motion to register in our consciousness. If motion still exists in the lower worlds then time is still going on there and will have passed when one incarnates into time again.

Whether physical motion and time is going on in the singularity would require a straining of words to argue about, but no consciousness is registering time there.

I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly. Michel de Montaigne (1533 - 1592)