2005-11-30 11:50:00
Steve writes:
If I am not mistaken, in the book, the Immortal, Jesus is referred to by John the Apostle both as Joshua and as The Christ for the current epoch. The Father, the Ancient of Days, is spoken of as manifesting through Jesus the Christ, but not another Christ as overshadowing Jesus.
This seems to be a different interpretation of Him than that which I see in the Archives, where JJ incorporates the teachings transmitted through AAB, which speak of the Christ as a separate entity which manifested through Jesus for 3 years, and not continuously through Jesus during the current epoch.
Welcome to the list Steve. So far the Immortal books have not gone into much detail about the Christ. Just a few hints are given.
It was difficult for me to at first accept that Jesus and the Christ are two separate entities, that there were two entities in the body of Jesus who was in Jerusalem. Then when I turned to the scriptures I found that they actually verified this teaching.
The teaching in the archives give much more detail and clarity.
For those who wish to read more I would suggest you read The Overshadowing of Jesus.
Also, if you put the following phrase in the search engine you will have a number of interesting teachings on the subject come up.
"see the spirit descending and remaining"
Woody has returned and writes:
JJ, I've got a question. Perhaps THE question. I've been working on figuring out Zion, and I was wondering if you could comment on what you see the difficulty in the establishment of it aka "Why JJ personally feels that the Keysters and Triads can't form the initial stages of Zion?"
For the creation of Zion, or a true spiritual community to materialize, a number of steps must take place.
I have said from the beginning that a strong foothold for the Gathering of Lights is supposed to take place by 2030. The fact that we have not yet established a foothold is not surprising. The foothold has not happened yet by a long shot, but could happen quite quickly when the time is right.
Woody:
What I mean by this is that I've been working from your "Molecular Relationship" and it seems that we have much of the knowledge in order to do it. Based on what I know of the purposes of the thing, I'd like to see it formed ASAP.
"He that believeth shall not make haste." Isaiah 28:16
The problem in times past is that seekers wanted immediate results and hastily built structures that did not work or fell apart.
We must lay the correct foundation this time and take whatever time is necessary to accomplish it. The feeling of urgency with most seekers usually comes from within their own thought processes and not from the Spiritual Hierarchy.
Woody:
You have written on the structure of it in quite some detail. What is your take on why it hasn't been started yet? I'm not talking about the whole thing, but rather getting the first Master Molecule started, calling down the Spiritual Hierarchy prepared to link with it, etc. etc.
For one thing, a molecule cannot be created on the internet. Preparations and training can be accomplished but to achieve the necessary soul contact the group must be physically gathered in one location. I need to see 24 people who can work together in harmony with soul contact who are gathered in one place before attempting the work. We have a ways to go yet. In addition many who think they are ready for oneness will not be able to see eye to eye through the soul with their brethren.
Woody:
Also, if you have the energy to, if you could comment on some of the background on how you arrived at the details contained in the MR book, I'd appreciate it. I'm not asking yet another "How did John know to tell you these things?" but rather your own insights into where you suppose it originally came from, who formulated it (either an individual or a group of SR members), the purposes of why it was revealed to you. I realize I'm being a little nebulous here, but anything you got, I want to know.
The Molecular Relationship was downloaded into my mind in an instant. One moment I knew nothing about it. The next I saw the whole thing and knew everything necessary to create it.
That's all I will say at the moment.
Woody:
I've got about 40 pages done of my book with about a dozen pages of illustrations, flowcharts and diagrams, but I wanted to check in with you and see if there was anything you've run into since your writing of the MR that might be of help to both me and us, the Keysters.
The most important thing we can all do to prepare for the Molecular Relationship is to establish soul contact to the degree that the Oneness Principle is seen. Two must acquire the ability to look beyond personality disagreements to the soul and see through the language of principles. When two see the same principle they will see as one.
Woody:
Once I've gotten enough written to explain my take on the idea of Zion, I'll post it to my web site and post a link here.
We'll look forward to reading it.
Ruth quotes me from the archives:
"He must learn to differentiate between a channeled spirit that is under control of the Soul and one that is influenced by the lower self. Finally, he must learn the difference between the vibration of his individual Soul and a message or endowment of energy from a Master or a Spiritual Guide who works though the Soul.
"The voice of God speaking through the Soul is the ultimate authority for the disciple.
"Nevertheless, we should never give any man, woman, disembodied entity or even Master the same authority as our Souls, for we should always do our best to check the truth of all teachings with the Spirit of God which dwells in us."
I must say that every time I re-read something you have taught, there is always something there I missed before ;-)
"A channeled spirit that is under control of the Soul"........I had no idea that a channeled spirit (from the Astral realm?) could be under the control of the Soul. In fact, why would the Soul need to work through a channeled spirit at all? Could you please explain this to me?
Every spirit is not focused in the astral zone. All of us are non physical after death and go to one of the higher planes.
Mid astral spirits usually do the direct voice channeling by the use of personality energy. Then there are higher spirits that work through higher methods of channeling and may send impressions to the living through the Oneness principle and soul contact.
Ruth:
If the voice of God speaking through the soul is the ultimate authority for the Disciple, then why would the Masters and Angels need to talk through or be under control of the soul?
Why do I attempt to speak through the voice of the soul when I teach? Because it is much more effective than not using the soul.
The soul does not teach, but it verifies true principles. Someone must do the speaking, writing and teaching the principles verified through the soul, be it a master, an angel or a regular human.
Ruth:
How does one learn to differentiate between the different Masters (or God/s) working through soul? Are all the Masters' energies different to each other?
One must pay attention to the different vibrations of the different contacts. Every entity in the universe has a different "signature" from anyone else.
To learn to differentiate one must pay attention to inner contacts over a period of time. It is also the key to overcoming deception.
Ruth:
Why would they feel different if they are all the same soul?
They work through the same soul energy just as you and I are using the same internet. That does not make us the same person, however; neither does it maker our vibration the same.
Ruth:
And are all on the same higher realms and are part of the Ancient of Days?
The Ancient of Days is a distinct entity who is linked to other entities.
Ruth:
Or is there the *Spirit of the Earth* and then the God(Ancient of Days) of Earth, two *separate souls and entities*, one male, one female? co-operating together for the Earth and humanity, and therefore are we really listening to the Spirit of Earth which came here billions of years before the Ancient of Days came from Venus to assist this Spirit?
The Ancient of Days (and those linked to him) could be compared to the higher self of the earth whereas the indwelling entity is the lower self.
Ruth:
Isn't a Master a God also?
In the same way that you are.
Ruth:
Do Masters have separate souls to us?
They are separate and distinct entities just as you and I are.
Ruth:
If the Spirit of God that is within us is also a part of the Spirit of God within the Masters, then why don't we give the Masters the same authority as the Spirit of God within us, if we are all One?
Because you could be deceived and be communicating with an astral entity who you think is a master, or you could misunderstand even a Master. Once you learn to consistently recognize your own soul you will not be deceived by it.
Ruth:
So in essence, we have our *individual soul*, which is like the human soul?
You have a solar angel assisting you which is a distinct entity on its own plane and uses soul energy to reach you.
Ruth:
Then we have the Soul as One entity on a higher realm.
The soul, which is one is the interplay of spirit and matter. This is soul energy and is the same everywhere, but it is not you. You merely use it.
Ruth:
How do we have individual souls then, if the Soul is One?
An individual solar angel assists you and uses the one soul energy which is everywhere there is spirit and matter meeting.
Ruth:
Meaning how is there a separated soul?
There are separate solar angels. These are advanced beings that were once on an earth in a physical body like you are.
Look at the night sky. There is one space and within that space are many stars, planets and beings. Space and soul are not separate, but those parts within soul energy and space are individual distinct entities or parts.
If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going. Professor Irwin Corey
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