2005-11-24 02:36:00
Larry:
Some employees may receive no benefits while others do receive benefits.
In the case of employers I have worked for one often had a choice of more than one insurance plan where the cost and details of one plan differed significantly from another.
You can negotiate for whatever you like. Generally people however will want health insurance. Typically in companys that I have worked for one had a choice of several plans (at least three for one employer) and one could choose plan A which gave the most coverage but resulted in a large deduction from your pay check, or one could choose plan C which gave the least benefits but cost you less.
You could choose to deduct from your paycheck "pre-tax" for funds to pay medical bills but if you didn't use it then you lost it (something like that - it wasn't one that I used, but it was another choice).
It's interesting to hear this. In every case I have heard of or participated in there was no choice. There was just one plan and that was it.
Perhaps you have worked for some extra flexible companies. Has any one else her ever had the opportunity of taking more cash rather than health insurance at your work?
Whatever the case nothing changes.
Health insurance is social even if half participate. It's a group/social endeavor of sharing corporate assets.
Larry:
"We may offend others because our speech is not politically correct you say?"
I have said no such thing.
I have said that the verbiage you are using is badly chosen. There is a difference.
Isn't that what political incorrect speech is - badly chosen verbiage in the eye of the beholder?
Larry:
I recollect at the second Manti Gathering where you tried to present the Principles of Political Unification. Eventually at least one person walked out and never returned, and a great deal of disharmony and chaos resulted. Eventually you abandoned the subject altogether and went on with another subject.
I am saying that you are "plowing ahead" here with the same "bull headness" and refuse to accept constructive criticism.
"a great deal of disharmony and chaos resulted." Did you attend the same gathering as I? Maybe you saw things I didn't.
At Manti several said they were not interested in discussing politics so I quickly changed the subject to accommodate. How can you call this bull headedness when I wrapped up the political unification presentation and accommodated the wishes of the class? It would have been bullheaded if I insisted to continue on the subject as planned.
Overall I would rate the Manti gathering as quite a harmonious occasion.
Are you looking for arguments here Larry?
Your "constructive criticism" is registered. If I see evidence that my definition of socialism creates more harm than good I will consider change.
Larry:
I am saying that there will be negative consequences of your terminology
It hasn't happened so far unless you are offended. Why would anyone be offended when they see that I am saying that the can be freewill social unions for the common good? I can't imagine such a thing - and see no evidence of it. No one has given any hint of personal offense on the Keys or in private communication.
You must also take into consideration the context of my use of the word in that I was speaking to a socialist.
I would word things differently when speaking to a libertarian or writing a book on the subject.
Larry:
...but I think you are more concerned with winning an argument than listening.
I'm not even sure we are having an argument. To have an argument we have to disagree and from what I can tell we see pretty much eye to eye on socialism and liberty and I can't think of any disagreement I have with anything you have said about it.
The only bone of contention I see is that you think I should use your definition and not my own - that my definition will cause offense. That is a difference in approach. This is more like you not liking an aspect of my personality rather than an argument. It is like my saying I think you should walk differently.
Maybe I should walk differently, but this is the way I walk. But even here if I see more harm than good coming from my walk, or the way I define words, then I will alter my definition of terms.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
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