Clones

2005-11-23 14:07:00

Larry:

I don't believe you can force them to do this without a grassroots movement to amend the Constitution.

I'm not interested in amending the Constitution. That would be more difficult than what I have in mind. When the people are properly educated and presented with workable ideas the very power of the vote and public opinion can create a force than can push our representatives in any common sense direction we wish.

I will write more about this when the time comes, but my Treatise on Molecular Politics gives some explanation of how politicians can be influenced without changing the Constitution.

Johan:

Could you tell me, JJ why you want to have such dualistic answers on such dualistic questions? Is this a spiritual list or is this a very dualistic list?

Could you tell me why you pursue such a dualistic approach when at the same time you complain about dualism?

We like dualism here for without it we could not even be here in our bodies and interplay with each other. Without dualism I'd have to dissolve my marriage to my opposite polarity. Why would I want to do that to a faithful partner?

Without dualism you'd have to quit arguing with me. The difference between you and me is that I love dualism and you hate it. Since we are both in it this makes me happy and you irritable and disgruntled. Maybe you should consider thinking outside the box here.

Johan:

Let me say that I am not really interested in the political system of my country. Neither in yours.

You had me fooled. You're always posting political attacks on my political ideas and my country. Why would you do this if you are not interested?

Johan:

I don't vote.

That figures. Complain about the dark political forces yet do nothing about it.

Johan:

I call all politics, from the right to the left wing but slogans which prevent people to find their spirit. They are binding souls. This is an esoteric law.

Then why do you embrace socialism?

Johan:

I am not going therefore in detail in your questions. I find them boring.

I was expecting an evasive answer like this to avoid real communication.

Johan:

I will only say shortly that every citizen in europe has to pay his/her taxes.

Yes, whether you think taxes are right or wrong they are collected by force of law whether the person wants to participate or not. This also causes social programs to be forced.

Johan:

If you say that one would not agree to spend taxes on social programs, then you are wrong. This only reflects YOUR individual opinion and YOUR individual attitude towards taxes and any social programs. I am very well aware that part of my taxes paid will be spend on social programs. And I agree wholeheartedly. Do you see the difference, JJ?

Weird thinking. You think that because you agree with how the money is spend that every single person in your country thinks just the way you do and agrees also? You must see your fellow citizens as clones.

You and I both know this is not the case - that there are many there who grumble about how money is misused, wasted and spent in the wrong places. This is a universal complaint among all nations.

Johan:

It is not a matter of defining words, what you are trying to do. It is just a matter of interpreting. A matter of sharing, giving, and solidarity with our neighbors. If this is felt within, then how can it be felt to be forced to paying taxes?

So if you feel solidarity within that means that no one is being forced.

Let us see where this logic could take us.

If you were in the Klan and felt solidarity with your brothers then it would be fine to burn a cross on a minority's lawn, or worse?

If you were a Nazi invading France it would be fine to forcefully confiscate their art for the Motherland because you are in harmonic with your brothers.

Feeling in harmony with your own does not make it right to take from those who do not want to be taken from.

Johan:

...however europeans tend to put this responsibility in the hands of the government, rather than feeling responsible privately. I suppose the american system has more private options.

This is a backdoor way of admitting we have more freedom in the U.S. but our politicians are doing their best to catch up and create a large enough government to snuff it out.