2004-12-8 05:39:00
I plan on posting the next chapter tomorrow. So far no one has named the key word. However, Brian came closer than he knew when he sensed that there was something vital in a post he mentioned which is to be found at: Truth Part Two (December 25, 2000)
I'll try and respond to John C's posts as concisely as possible.
John C:
"Maybe it's a problem of terminology, but I would have an easier time accepting the idea of two entities tuned into each others' higher mind through the oneness principle, than I could accept the idea of another mental body and another emotional body sharing a physical body."
JJ:
The divine possession does not involve the sharing of two emotional or mental bodies. Remember we are not our bodies, but our bodies are vehicles that we use. Divine possession involves two conscious entities in one lower triad which is composed of one physical and/or etheric body, one emotional body and one mental body. All three of these bodies belong to the original occupant.
Any two entities can tune into each other's minds and hearts through the Oneness Principle whether they be in the physical or out of the physical so long as they have soul contact.
John C:
"At that time, I had to set my own thoughts, feelings, and ideas aside, but I never felt that I can giving another entity control over my body, either voluntarily or involuntarily."
JJ:
Visualize the vehicle being a car instead of a body. Two people, Jack and Jim, are driving in a Lexus. Jack owns the car and has complete control over it. However, they are entering a neighborhood with many strange streets with which Jack is unfamiliar, but Jim knows very well. Jack decides that it would be more efficient to have Jim drive while in this territory. Jim takes the wheel, but since it is Jack's car he can take it back any time he doesn't like Jim's driving. Jack can also decide to continue doing the driving and receive instructions from Jim as they move ahead. Everything is done according to the free will of the owner. He has to cooperate before Jim is able to exercise his will.
John C:
"The two minds 'become as one mind, intertwined and understanding each other.' However, I do not see how it is necessary for the other entity to occupy my physical body in order for this to take place."
JJ:
It sounds like you are talking about the Oneness Principle which is an entirely different thing than Divine Possession. It is not necessary for two entities to be in one body for the Oneness Principle to work. I have never taught this.
John C:
"I think we might each ask ourselves what we each have invested in maintaining that over-shadowing does or does not involve taking over a body. Why is it so important to believe that Jesus vacated his body so that the Father could take over, or that Jesus shared his body with the Father? I would like somebody to answer that."
JJ:
First, I have never taught that Jesus vacated his body. DK [Djwhal Khul through Alice A. Bailey] mentioned this, but I think this wording gave a wrong impression of what happened.
It is always important to know truth wherever that truth lies, especially a truth that is centered around a true principle such as this one. You never know where that truth will lead you.
When scientists first started theorizing about atoms and how they may be structured many criticized them as speculating on useless knowledge. As it turns out our knowledge of atoms have lead to many astounding inventions and scientific finds.
Understanding the principle of Divine Possession is of extreme importance.
Why?
Because the Molecular Order cannot be established without it. As written in my book, "The Molecular Relationship," it is the necessary link between heaven and earth that can connect the disciples to the living vine of which Christ spoke. Without this link the molecules will have no life and only be like other existing groups on the earth.
When Jesus was here, the divine possession created a link so the spiritual power of the hierarchical molecules could flow into the earthly molecule. One who is a part of the eternal chain must be here on the earth linked to a disciple in a physical body for the full powers of the new life to be manifest.
After the resurrection Christ dwelled in Peter's body for a time to continue the link. This is why the Catholics believe the Pope is still sitting "in the place of the Son of God." This was passed down through the ages like the game "Chinese Whispers" and now their understanding is corrupted.
John C:
"On the other hand, why am I maintaining so hard that the sharing did not take place on a physical level? That's something I can and should answer: because I don't believe the physical interpretation is true, and everybody else can believe what they want, but my experience (at least as I interpret it) tells me otherwise. I have previously gone into this in detail in my last two posts."
JJ:
All are free to believe whatever they wish here as well as present their point of view within reason. It sounds like you are trying to prove a negative. You are saying that because you have not experienced a divine possession then this means it cannot happen. Because you perceive that your spiritual experiences did not involve two spiritual entities in one body does not mean it cannot happen.
The scriptures make it clear that the Dark Brothers can possess the body of another so if we believe that then we know that such a thing is possible. The Dark ones get all their knowledge of true principles from the Brotherhood of Light and then distort them. This means that if the Dark Brothers can have the experience of two entities on one body that the Brotherhood of Light can surely do it also if the need arises.
If one has the experience of the Divine Possession then he will know what it is. If a Master is in your body with you there will be no question about it. It will be as obvious as your knowing that your lungs, stomach and brain is in your body.
There are many levels of spiritual experience and when you go up a level or two words become inadequate. The description of Divine Possession will sound to one who has felt a spiritual endowment like something he has experienced, but they are very different.
I would describe it something like this. One person is basking in the light and heat of the sun and describes it to others.
A second person has a sun burning in its strength inside of him and feels the full intensity of the nuclear power.
The difference is like night and day, but the description may be the same for how could one describe what it would be like to have the sun within him and not be consumed?
A Divine Possession is a rare occurrence and only happens to establish a foothold of spiritual power upon the earth so the spiritual Hierarchy can extend itself to our plane so God's will is done on earth as it is in heaven.
John C:
"Does a person's body have a literal door?"
JJ:
Yes. How do you think you got in your body if not for a door? How will you leave it at death if not through a door? Even in sleep our mental body leaves through a door in the head. And in demonic possession a door is carelessly open. When a person astral travels he leaves through a door.
John C:
"Also, it can't mean that Christ is entering into somebody's body because in John's Gospel, Jesus says that the Father is in him, and he is in his Father. How can that be if one applies a physical interpretation?"
JJ:
If the two entities of light are sharing one body there is a blending of their Spiritual Triad which DK calls Atma-Buddhi-Manas (higher mind) The synthesizing of the two Spiritual Triads indeed causes the disciple to be in the Master and the Master in the disciple. The physical, the astral and lower mental are merely vehicles to use to reach our world, more than vehicles for sharing consciousness.
If a wayward individual and a dark entity share one body then the sharing will be in the lower triad of the physical, emotional and lower mind.
John C:
"To say that the Father occupied Jesus' body with Jesus in it, while at the same time, Jesus occupied the Father's body seems impossible."
JJ:
No one is saying this. The Christ occupied Jesus' body with his Spiritual Triad as his vehicles. Only the physical and emotional body of Jesus was used.
John C:
"For you to be in Christ, by the same interpretation, would mean that you are in Christ's body."
JJ:
I don't think anyone here believes this strange doctrine including myself. Being in Christ has nothing to do with being in his physical body.
John C:
"But, if Christ is not consciously manifesting in a dense physical body, what does it mean to be in Christ'?"
JJ:
DK [Djwhal Khul] tells us that Christ presently lives in a dense physical body.
In general to be "in Christ" simply means to attain soul contact. A person does not need Divine Possession to be in Christ.
As I have said numerous times there are at least three interpretations that apply to every inspired scripture. Revelations 3:20 is no exception. The way you and John Z interpret it is one that is valid, but there are others.
John C:
"Why could not this entire over-shadowing take place on the Buddhic or intuitive plane? If I remember rightly, that plane is not a plane of form, and if the interaction takes place there, why should it have to confirm to the rules of form?"
JJ:
Because, as I said there has to be a link established between heaven and earth.
Djwhal Khul states:
"The Spirit of Peace descended upon Christ. The New Testament bears witness to a somewhat similar event when, at the Baptism, we read that "he saw the Spirit of God, descending like a dove and alighting upon Him." (St. Matt., III, 16.) This Spirit is a Being of tremendous cosmic potency and is today over-shadowing the Christ in much the same manner as Christ (two thousand years ago) over- shadowed or worked through the Master Jesus."
John C:
"But the Christ is not consciously manifesting in a physical body as Jesus was. If the Christ is manifesting on the earth at all, it would be through an etheric physical body, or perhaps through a dense physical body, though not known to the masses of humanity at this time. It seems to me that this sharing is happening at a higher level of consciousness."
JJ:
While the Buddha is only in his etheric body the Christ is in the physical. DK says this:
"Christ and His disciples are known by many to be physically present on Earth and the Kingdom which They rule, with its laws and modes of activity are familiar to many, and have been throughout the centuries.
"A truth hard for the orthodox thinker of any faith to accept is the fact that Christ cannot return because He has always been here upon our Earth, watching over the spiritual destiny of humanity; He has never left us but, in physical body and securely concealed (though not hidden), He has guided the affairs of the Spiritual Hierarchy, of His disciples and workers Who are unitedly pledged with Him to Earth service."
Even though Christ is in a physical body he is not limited by it. He can fold it back into the spiritual and work from the Spiritual Triad or even be reborn again if need be. Or he can stay in the physical and work through the power of meditation.
"All things are possible with God."
John C:
"If the over-shadowing strictly occurs on the physical plane, then it is subject to all the physical limitations, but if it takes place on a higher plane such as the mental plane or the intuitive plane, there are fewer limitations and restrictions."
JJ:
No one said it occurs strictly on the physical plane. The cooperation extends to the physical plane.
There are three general categories of overshadowing:
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