2004-11-15 06:30:00
Great comments and questions on Chapter Three John. Thanks for all the time you spent in the endeavor.
John C :
"There is a growing and developing belief that Christ is in us, as He was in the Master Jesus." [quoting DK]
The same way in which Christ was with the Master Jesus? What about the overshadowing of Jesus? This is unclear.
He was right that this was and is a growing belief. Notice that he did not say it was exactly true. It is one of those statements that is both true and false depending on how you read it.
Yes, it is true that "Christ is in us, as He was in the Master Jesus" in the sense that the soul, which operates on the Christ principle, is in us just as much as it was in Jesus or anyone else.
No, it is not true that the entity who is called the Christ is in seekers as he was in Jesus.
Yes, it is true that through the Oneness Principle the seeker can see through the eyes of the soul even as Jesus did.
John C:
"Yet-today Christ is nearer to humanity than at any other time in human history;"
Closer than he was 2000 years ago during the earthly ministry of Jesus? Yet he is going to come even closer? With all the talk about the need for overshadowing in order to approach humanity 2000 years ago, yet DK says that the Christ is even closer today. This just doesn't make any sense to me.
He was close to a small number of individuals 2000 years ago, but notice that he says that in this time he is near to "humanity" or the human race as a whole.
The reason this is true is there are many more aspirants and disciples in the world today than at any other time in history. In addition to this, billions know of the gospel story and many millions seek to be close to Christ. When Christ tunes into humanity through the Oneness Principle he senses a nearness to the many thousands of the pure in heart who truly seek after his name.
John C:
"Around Him-in that High Place on Earth where He has His abiding place-are gathered today all His great Disciples, the Masters of the Wisdom, and all Those liberated Sons of God Who, down the ages, have passed from darkness to Light, from the unreal to the Real, and from death to Immortality."
Is he saying that his great disciples ARE the Masters of the Wisdom, or is he saying his great disciples AND the Masters of the Wisdom? What about the disciples who followed him 2000 years ago? More on this later.
He is calling his great disciples the Masters of Wisdom and also other disciples who are "liberated" are gathered around him. Some are gathered on the physical plane and others on the subtle planes. All have communion through the Oneness Principle.
John C:
"The great Apostolic Succession of the Knowers of God is poised today for renewed activity-a succession of Those Who have lived on Earth, accepted the fact of God Transcendent, discovered the reality of God Immanent, portrayed in Their own lives the divine characteristics of the Christ life and (because They lived on Earth as He did and does) have "entered for us within the veil, leaving us an example that we too should follow His steps" and Theirs. We too belong eventually in that great succession."
Why does he call it a "succession?"
Each person, when he achieves oneness through the soul finds his place in the scheme of things. He then plays the roll before him until he outgrows it. He then moves on and someone else takes his place. In addition to Christ being a principle in us all, there is also the position of the Christ for the entire planet. The entity who occupies it will have this position for approximately 1000 more years then he will move on to the star system of Sirius for additional training. After this the Master KH will assume this position. It is as Shakespeare said that "each man in his time plays many parts." This initiate understood that a person's "time" spans many lifetimes.
John C:
What does he mean by "entered for us within the veil"? I understand these terms, but in probably a different way than what DK means. To me, "entering within the veil" means to be able to function as an active worker in the Kingdom of God, both on the outer as well as inner planes.
This has several interpretations. Yours is as good as any.
John C:
"There are, as well we know, five crises or initiations which concern the Master Jesus"
Interesting that he uses crisis and initiation together. Related terms would seem to be "decision" and "point of tension".
"True religion is again emerging in the hearts of men in every land; this recognition of a divine hope and background may possibly take people back into the church and into the world faiths, but it will most certainly take them back to God."
So far, we are seeing the rise of religious fanaticism both in the Christian and Muslim worlds. And, quite frankly, it's scaring me to death. And, when I'm not shuddering in fright, I am weeping because of the horrors which are being perpetrated in the name of my Master, whom I love. I am afraid they are driving people away from Christ, rather then inviting people to come to Him.
In other places DK warned that one of the greatest dangers we face as a world is the possibility of a religious war which could destroy civilization. This would indeed be a big setback to the plan and disciples must do all in their power to prevent it.
John C:
"Religion is the name, surely, which we give to the invocative appeal of humanity which leads to the evocative response of the Spirit of God. This Spirit works in every human heart and in all groups."
Interesting.
"Ever since He apparently departed to the sphere where the faithful have put Him"
Interesting.
This is an interesting thought John and let us leave off here for tonight with this question: It sounds like DK is saying that the followers of Christ have had the power to place the Master in a box (speaking symbolically). Is it true that we have power to put the Master in a certain place and power to release him?
A hint is in the book of Matthew:
And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. Matthew 13:54-58
Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. Oscar Wilde
Copyright 2004 by J J Dewey