Unknowable Unwanted

2004-8-9 13:25:00

First, let me clarify something:

Two arms plus two legs equals four limbs. Two arms plus two legs equals four limbs in one body.

Therefore both of these equations are true in reality.

2+2=4
and
2+2=1

I asked this question:
If you could give us one of God's truths perhaps you could make your point.

To this Homo responded:
Impossible. Thus my point that the intellect of man (in using necessarily limited and limiting words and ideas) cannot know or demonstrate or give truth, has been succinctly and experientially made.

JJ:
Sigh. At last we have come to this point that we have arrived at dozens of times in the past when people of this fixed mindset come to the list.

For the benefit of the newer people here is the process that keeps repeating itself on the list.

An over zealous seeker believes he has discovered The One Way. This way is expressed in different words, but basically goes like this.

The universe is an illusion with no truth, and salvation can only be obtained by going beyond the illusion to a place which is given various names by these self proclaimed enlightened ones.

Some of the names are:

The Great Void
Nothingness
Space between the dualities
Formlessness
Formless God
Emptiness

Whatever this place is the common thread among all these people is this.

Nothing about this can be placed in words or understood by the mind. Yet each of these preachers have force fed us with attempts to influence our minds by putting this nothingness into words. The idea is always that we must become nothingness as they are so we can also have this deathly peace that they cannot explain or demonstrate.

Even though they cannot explain, demonstrate it or show the way, we are supposed to be enthused about it.

Let me add this. I have had many spiritual contacts in my life and they are all something and I can place them all into words that will shed some light on the mind of the seeker. If I discover a truth from the higher worlds I can tell you about it and have done so. The Molecular Relationship is one example.

Homo, Clarice and others, we have covered this ground many times and the end is always the same. You cannot tells us any truth because you cannot place it into words or even define it, and we are too low on the totem pole to understand. We also have no clue as to what real love is.

We listen to a few of your presentations because there is some variety in each new presenter, but now boring repetition is set in. Members can read the archives and see where the conversation would go from here if we were to continue.

We accept the fact that you want to escape the responsibility of mental thought and that you feel you cannot place the truth in words, but we do not want to accept the great repetition of being told over and over that we need to see and understand that which cannot be seen and understood.

From now on the moderators will reject the posts of the current mindset that preaches to us about formless, unthinkable, unknowable, inexpressible truth.

We get the idea and wish to move on to truth that can register with mind, understanding and soul.

What you don't see with your eyes, don't invent with your mouth. Jewish Proverb