More Logic

2004-6-15 06:04:00

Robert,
Thanks for your strained reasoning on why you think Creme is right. It is amazing to me that you do not even consider that he may be wrong.

Here seems to be the crux of your argument. Mankind has increased (according to Creme's figures) by a factor of 125 not because people come back and progress but because new and more advanced souls have been coming in during this whole 4000 year period. These advanced souls dramatically increase the average.

The only problem with this argument is that there is no evidence to support it and you have offered none. It is reasonable to suppose that there are some advanced souls coming into incarnation that have not incarnated for a very long time, but it is illogical to assume that enough of them have been born over the past 4000 years to multiply Creme's advancement factor by 5 times from 2000 BC to 1 AD and by a factor of 125 from 2000 BC to the present.

There are four provable reasons for this.

(1) Thousands of people doing regressions reveal that most people here at present are not new souls but have incarnated several times over the past 4000 years. One rarely gets a subject that is a new advanced soul just coming on board here in this life.
(2) To create this quantum leap forward would almost require a replacement of past souls with new more advanced ones.
(3) DK tells us that the population explosion has been forcing entities to incarnate more frequently.
(4) There was a very large population during the Lemurian age. DK tells us:

"The great original sin in Lemurian times was sexual in nature, and due largely not only to inherent tendencies, but to the extraordinarily dense population of its civilization and to the close relation of the animal kingdom. The origin of the syphilitic diseases traces back to these times." Esoteric Healing Pg 228

Notice that he said they had an "extraordinarily dense population." Then their population was dramatically reduced by syphilitic diseases. The term "extraordinarily dense" could mean they had a higher population then than we do today. I do not consider myself living in an "extraordinarily dense" situation even today.

Now if there were billions of entities at that time who evolved right here on the earth, and not the moon chain, then one would think that the dramatic increase of population would pull from this pool of souls as a top priority.

If this were the case (and it is most probable that it is) then there would be a current influx of lesser evolved souls and not higher ones as you assume.

When you look at average humanity and study that which motivates them you have to wonder. About half of the world does not even believe we went to the moon.

Robert:
I realize how dangerous different information is to you, because if a few pieces of your puzzle-of-thought are changed, the effects are exponential and the picture looks different from what you thought.

JJ:
Not dangerous at all my friend. Bring it on.

By the way, if anyone in the group sees any logic in Robert's posts that I have missed feel free to enlighten me.

I thought I would give a few more comments on the total number of lifetimes. I am fairly positive I read somewhere in the Bailey writings at least a strong hint that each of the 1000 petals in the head center represented an incarnation that we go through on the path to liberation. This is the first time that I have not been able to find a piece of data that I attributed to DK. If any readers know where this is feel free to post it. I'm sure I will come across it sooner or later.

Whatever the case DK has made another statement that I quoted yesterday saying that we live "millenia of lives," and then in another place that we progressed through "many thousands of lives."

Now when I came across the thought that each one of the 1000 petals in the head represents an incarnation I felt through the soul that there was truth behind this. I didn't sense there each person lived exactly 1000 lives before liberation, but that each petal represented a step in the progression of the human being that would take a typical lifetime to transverse. Some may make the journey in 800 lives while others may take 1200.

If this is the case then where does the "many thousands of lives" come in?

The thousand lives represents the journey of the soul as a self conscious human being with a head center of 1000 petals in this solar system. But we are eternal and have lived many other incarnations in other forms in other systems macrocosmic and microcosmic. Our total number of lifetimes in the various forms would be many indeed.

Most people would rather be certain they're miserable, than risk being happy. Robert Anthony