Rebirth 1.2

2004-4-19 04:51:00

Thanks for your comments Robert. As Glenys says, it is good to have another DK [Djwhal Khul] student on the list, especially one with such a calm aura and sense of reason.

You write:

"So, when you write, '...periodically be born again and become as a little child to reenter the kingdom of God.' I do not share this literal interpretation. Also, not only does the term little child refer to the occult fact of the status of a disciple, but the purity of the little child is the purity one must have to take the 'baptism' initiation, the 2nd."

JJ:

I think we will agree here if I elaborate. When I talk about rebirth I am not talking about a physical rebirth, even though this is how it plays out on the lowest level. I am saying that each time we advance to a higher sphere there has to be a death and rebirth of some kind.

To obtain the first initiation we have to undergo many physical rebirths until (in the words of Paul) we put away, or let the old man die and put on the new.

To obtain the second initiation we have to let out glamours die and be reborn into a polarization where we have control of our emotions. To obtain polarization in the mind we must die as to our emotional attachments and be reborn into the world of mind.

It all fits nicely into the Law of Correspondences. Just as there are many physical rebirths, even so are there many rebirths on higher levels.

Even as there are many physical rebirths in the life of the pilgrim in the human kingdom, even so are there many rebirths related to a higher correspondence in the fifth kingdom. Just as human rebirth allows the human to live for an extended time in the human kingdom even so do the higher rebirths hold the key to extended life in one body for the fifth kingdom.

Here is an interesting quote from the "Old Commentary" illustrating that even high disciples must die as to what they hold dear and be reborn through the portals of a new kingdom:

"The law went forth from the inner group which guided the destinies of men: Detach yourselves. Withdraw within yourselves the power to hold and gain and get. The sons of God, who train themselves to leave the world of men and enter into light, they ever travel free. They hold not what they have. Release yourselves, and enter through the gates of peace.

"Some of the sons of God, waiting outside those gates, ready to enter when the Word went forth to roll the gates aside, were laden with the treasure of the earth. They brought their gifts as offerings to the Lord of life, who needed not their gifts. They sought to enter through those gates, not with a selfish end in view, but to present the garnered treasures of the world, and thus shew their love.

"Again the Word went forth: Leave all behind and pass beyond the portal, laden with naught of earth. They waited and discussed. The rest of those who were prepared entered into light and passed between the pillars of the gate; they left behind the loads they brought and entered free, and were accepted, carrying naught.

"Because they travelled as a group, and as a group progressed and grasped, the group responded to the divine command and halted. There they waited, standing before the portal of the Path, grasping the garnered treasures of a thousand cycles. Naught did they wish to leave behind. They had laboured for the riches which they held. They loved their God, and Him they sought to dower with the fullest measure of the riches they had gained. They loved not discipline.

"Again the Word went forth: Drop on the ground all that you hold, and enter free.

"But three revolted from that stern command. The rest obeyed. They passed within the gates, leaving the three outside. Many were raised unto the heights of joy. The three remained without the gates, holding their treasure firm."

("Esoteric Psychology," Vol 1, Pg 396, by Alice A. Bailey)

I can see your concern that Djwhal Khul [DK] would have to sacrifice some time and data to be reborn, but if he chose this course he would eventually retrieve it with interest -- and others would take care of his duties. Keep in mind that some duties would be taken care by him in the sleeping state.

I pick up intuitively that he did not want to give out full details of his future mission. For one thing if he told us he would be reborn every other DK student would think he was Djwhal Khul come again.

I will predict this. When he does teach again many Theosophical as well as Bailey students will reject the teachings. It's the natural order of things.

I can see how you derive your "impression" of DK's use of impression, but keep in mind this. Often initiates write with dual and triple meanings.

He could also be referring to a disciple who would appear before 2025 who would help prepare students for the complex revelations to come.

I see your point and do not disagree with you but am merely saying there are a number of possible interpretations that could apply.

Thanks for telling us a little about yourself. I take it that the Alice A. Bailey writings are your favorite. Which writings or teacher do you rate second and third?

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