One More Try at Reason

2003-10-2 05:58:00

Felix:
On the physical plane, the great scientific discovery, called colloquially the "splitting of the atom," will be turned eventually to the production of those conditions which will enable mankind to follow the good, the beautiful and the true. This men will then be able to do, freed from the dread presence of purely materialistic thinking. This is no idle vision or vague dream. Many scientists today (and particularly those who love their fellowmen) are not only visioning the non-destructive aspect of atomic energy but are already engaged in harnessing - for the good of humanity - some of its products and its radioactive properties."

I interpret the first sentence as: the splitting of the atom, to make the bombs that were dropped on Japan which secured the Allies victory - that single act enabled mankind to follow the good, the beautiful and the true - it is NOT the creation of nuclear fission plants and the production of energy from splitting of the atom. The destroying aspect of the splitting of the atom "split the thought- form of materialistic living upon the mental plane" - i do not interpret DK's words at all to mean building 400 nuclear fission plants worldwide to be another source of electrical energy.


JJ:
Why would you limit "the splitting of the atom" to the bomb only when all nuclear reactors also split the atom? Sounds like you are putting words into DK's mouth.

DK says point blank that scientists "are not only visioning the non-destructive aspect of atomic energy but are already engaged in harnessing - for the good of humanity - some of its products and its radioactive properties."

This sentence follows the mentioning of the "splitting of the atom" statement. Note that he says scientists "are ALREADY ENGAGED IN HARNESSING... its radioactive properties. In the late forties when this was given out scientists were working with fission, not fusion for the benefit of the people.

This statement would definitely apply to the 400 nuclear reactors because they operate on the principle of fission, of which DK spoke. Even today fusion reactors are far from being demonstrated and depending on the problems that will be solved in their creation the presence of fast neutrons is likely to create a large number of atomic waste products.

Felix:
It was the dropping of the atomic bombs that has enabled humanity to see the light. It was ONLY the dropping of the atomic bombs on the Axis Japan in 1945 which produced those conditions - it is NOT nuclear fission energy that produces those conditions. Do you follow?

JJ:
Fusion has done nothing yet except produce the hydrogen bomb. but it is fission which supplies us with the much of our needed energy just as DK spoke of. You really need to argue with him.

Felix:
DK also says, "The fission of the nucleus of the atom in the past few years is the outer sign or demonstration that humanity has "encompassed" the divine Mind and can now move on to "encompass" the love or the attractive nature of divinity." Notice the words "now move on" ... the process of nuclear fusion, not fission

JJ:
Love is attractive, but the only energy we have from atomic fusion is the hydrogen bomb. He was not talking about atomic fusion here, but the attractive energy of love we need to acquire. Fusion reactors will eventually be perfected, but they may have the same waste problems as the current fission reactors. In the meantime, by the use of breeder reactors we can eliminate all waste by the use of current technology.

Are you still refusing to buy a car because you are waiting for the flying ones?

Felix:
There is nowhere i have found in the writings of DK where he talks about "atomic energy for the peaceful production of power" which are your words

JJ:
I have quoted it several times now and repeated it in the beginning of this post: DK talks about using the "non-destructive aspect of atomic energy" for the "good of humanity." "Non destructive" implies peaceful use. Don't tell me that fission destroys atoms because so does fusion. Both of these processes destroy the atoms as they are and creates new ones. Obviously the use of the term "non destructive" is in reference to nuclear energy in relation to humanity.

Felix:
It is also a falsity to consider nuclear fission as "peaceful". The literal meaning of the word "fission" means breaking up into parts. There is nothing peaceful about this process, it is literally destructive. The process is explosion.

JJ:
First there are no explosions in a nuclear reactor. Fission and fusion are equally destructive as far as atoms go. We should not let our bias prevent us from using either one as the technology becomes available to help humanity.

Felix:
Just because a bomb is not being dropped, does not mean it is "peaceful". The explosion created during the nuclear fission process is unstable energy - hence why it explodes.

JJ:
The is no explosion in a nuclear reactor. Hydrogen fusion bombs do explode and are generally even more destructive than fission bombs.

You're picking at straws here with a mindset to be right even when you have no evidence.

At least your posts are a little more polite lately. That is appreciated.

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