John's Questions

2003-3-20 05:56:00

John C quotes me and comments:
Gathering of Lights #10 (#714) - Date: 22 Jan 2000 09:29:45
These holy men that the world, and even many prophets knew not of, were the Masters. There are many Masters, but the three mentioned above are of the most important from our point of view. Koot Hoomi is next in line to take over the position of The Christ in about a thousand years from now, when the present Christ will move on to other work. These three men have known each other from many lifetimes and were the three wise men from the East who presented gifts to the Christ child. They understood the mission of Christ much better than His twelve apostles and helped to surround the babe with a protective aura in the first few years of his life.

John C:
I have some questions regarding the statement that the "three wise men" understood the mission of Christ "much better" than His twelve apostles.

First, the Bible doesn't give a number for the men who traveled from the East. There were three gifts, and Catholic legend says that therefore there were three individuals. How do we know there were exactly three? Does DK state this?

JJ:
DK does not comment on this but the Aquarian Gospel identifies them as three and gives them the names of Hor, and Lun, and Mer. (See AG 38:6)

The Gospel of the Nazarenes, which is claimed to be translated from the oldest known manuscripts dating from the first century, also says there were three but gives them different names which are Melchus, Caspar and Phadizarda. The name in common between the two is Caspar who the Aquarian Gospel says was a fellow magi with Hor, and Lun, and Mer. Many esotericists believe that DK was Caspar and was one of the three wise men who came to visit the baby Jesus.

John:
When you say these wise men understood the mission of Christ much better than the twelve apostles, do you mean at the beginning of Christ's ministry, or even at the end of His ministry. The twelve apostles started slow, but under the influence of the Soul, they were very fast learners.

JJ:
The twelve apostles were not picked because they were the most enlightened on the earth but because they were good messengers who were able to communicate with the common man. They were mostly second degree initiates. The third degree candidates were Peter, James, John and Paul.

The Magi in the east were very familiar with the prophesies of Christ because of Teachings that were passed down from the Prophet Daniel. There were a number of the Magi who were third degree initiates and had knowledge that exceeded that of the apostles. They were not only familiar with the Hebrew teachings but also familiar with many esoteric, magical and astrological teachings not available to the Apostles.

You are correct that the Apostles did experience much growth through their association with Christ.

John C:
Wouldn't you also say that certain of the twelve, taken as individuals, knew as much if not more than anybody else about the ministry of Christ. I am thinking particularly of Peter, James, and John -- and especially John? Not to mention James the brother of the Lord and Thomas, whom some claim was Jesus' twin.) After all, John was Jesus' beloved. In his Gospel, he testifies of the pre-mortal life of Christ as the Logos, the word made flesh, and in the Revelation he foretells the ministry of Christ down to the end.

JJ:
If you read the Aquarian Gospel you will discover that there were a number of Master Teachers on the earth who were more consciously prepared for Christ than was the average apostle, but they had different missions.

Even when Jesus comes again, many will sit at the feet of the Master who are not high initiates.

Overall, the Apostles were the most enlightened group in Israel, but not necessarily the earth.

John C:
Following the resurrection, the apostles were called to be living witnesses of this event, and they are the foundation upon which the City of the New Jerusalem is to be built. Then Christ returns, the twelve Apostles will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Don't things like this indicate that they knew quite a bit about the ministry of Christ and are intimately connected with it.

JJ:
First it is important to realize that all scripture will not have a black and white literal fulfillment. The twelve tribes, for instance will not be literal twelve tribes as represented by the Old Testament, but twelve different types of consciousness in various groups and countries.

The Twelve Apostles who will judge the tribes will be spiritual teachers who will rise up from the twelve states of consciousness and lead those of similar vibration to the Kingdom of God. The Twelve Apostles of old may or may not be gathered together again depending on the need and where than can best serve.

John C:
Then, there are the LDS references to Peter, James, and John as holding the keys of the last dispensation, of John called to be a ministering angel to those who shall be heirs of salvation, and who Joseph Smith revealed as that Elias who was to come and restore all things. D&C 93, which was taken from the record of John, is to my mind, this is the clearest description I have ever read of how one approaches and comes to know God. I know this passage was written by one who knows the Christ quite intimately.

JJ:
If you try and figure out how things are going to unwind as the new age comes in, with the teachings of standard Mormonism, Christian or any other religious doctrine, you will miss the mark by some distance. The religious teachings of the Piscean Age have seeds of truth in them but will always lead to wrong conclusions if taken literally.

For instance, Joseph Smith did not usher in the "last dispensation." There is no last dispensation for millions of years. He did usher in the last effort at bringing together all things in union during the Piscean Age. He gathered the lights of the last part of that passing age. Now the Piscean Mormon (and other efforts) belongs to the past and must give way to new. The new will keep the best of the past, but be nothing like the past, for the vision of the fundamentalists of the various religions is not in alignment with what must be.

You ask why DK is not teaching us or why he could have more knowledge of Christ than an apostle.

Who has knowledge of what is not as important as to the teachings that are given to us during our lifetime. It is our duty to examine them, run them by our souls and discover the truth behind them. A number of Masters could teach us, if such was in the plan, but each one of the Hierarchy has a particular job to do. It matters not if we have the highest initiate as our teacher. What matters is that we take advantage of the light which is available to us. If a student proves himself ready for something higher then it will not be withheld. The trouble is that many seek for something higher when they have overlooked the light in what they already have.