We The Living

2001-6-14 18:08:00

Great to see you doing well and posting again, Glenys. That was quite a post for someone who has been through so much as you have.

Ivan writes:

"I wonder if you would like to know that the whole concept of the teaching of the western Christian Religions and the basis of the Mysticism and Magic being discussed on this list is on an ancient document entitled The Pseudo-Isodoric Decretals, dating back to the 9th century, which persuaded Pope Nicholas I (later Saint Nicholas 1) to eradicate the individual human spirit from the original Trichotomy of Man. This put God/Spirit out side of the body, labeled the Spirit as Holy and gave the Church enormous power."

Some have wandered off into the errors of the Catholic and Christian Church in the past and we received an unbelievable amount of complaints. You are welcome to give a link, but this is a direction that older members have heard more than they want to know. I also cannot see how it has much to do with our present teachings. If a principle we teach is true it matters little what some Pope said about it.

I see that we are having some debate about the death penalty. I do not want to get into a full fledged discussion on this or we could suffer a detour lasting for quite a time.

Let me, however, just inject several observations that seem to always be left out of the equations on both sides of the argument.

(1) Death is far from the worst punishment that can be given to a human. There are many other punishments which are more harmful and punitive.

I submit that placing a man in prison for over 20 years with others of a low vibration where his spiritual life deteriorates is more harmful to the person than putting him to death. If we just want revenge and wish to punish and do harm, then a long prison sentence should be preferred over death, but I think we should rise above seeking the most damage and seek to do that which will be most advantageous to the soul.

In twenty years the murderer who is put to death can be reborn and off to a good start in undoing his past karma and making a fresh start. The man who is sentenced to life in prison is yet staring at walls, depressed with no hope, looking forward to 20 more years before he reaches life's end.

(2) Placing someone in prison for over 20 years is a greater act of vengeance than the death sentence. Vengeance is often confused with justice.

(3) While it is true that the death sentence is irreversible so is the time spent in jail. There is no way to give that time back. Many have spent 20 or more years in prison and have later been found to be innocent. This is just as big of a travesty of justice as the putting of an innocent man to death, of which there is not one proven case in recent U.S. history.

(4) It says "though shalt not kill," therefore the death sentence is wrong.

The word "kill" her comes from RATSACH which means "murder," pretty much as the law today interprets it. On the other hand, the word MUWTH usually refers to a more institutionalized killing such as an execution of a murderer or an act of war. MUWTH was not condemned. Instead all murderers were commanded to be put to death.

If we decide to go back in time and interpret the scriptures in a black and white matter as if they applied to this day and age we would have to put not only murderers to death, but also, gays , witches, adulterers, disobedient children and all who work on Saturday - the Jewish Sabbath.

We live in a different age now and the best thing to do is to understand the principle behind justice and cause and effect, and use our minds and hearts toward the highest good as the end result.

(5) Some say that two wrongs do not make a right, but if putting a man to death is wrong then life in prison is a double wrong. What shall we do then - eliminate justice from our system? Shall we let the violent have their will against the innocent with impunity? That correction which applies to a loving entity has little or no effect on one of low vibration. All must receive justice in a way that relates to their state of consciousness.

(6) Jesus said nothing pro or con in referring to the death penalty except in telling the Jews that he was not trying to destroy their law. Peter on the other hand, put Ananias to death by the power of his word.

(7) A need much greater than abandoning the death penalty is prison reform. To place a person in prison for life with no hope for freedom or improvement of situation is the cruelest punishment available on the planet. At least in death one has a hope in a merciful God, but a life of punishment in prison with the lowest of humanity is much more hopeless and often does damage to the entity's spiritual makeup that can effect him for lifetimes to come.

It is sad to see protesters out marching against the death penalty, yet not a sign of anyone putting that kind of energy into elevating the souls of those who are in prison often forgotten by their loved ones and friends.