Maintaining Order

2001-6-9 09:44:00

Great OT post Gloria. I especially liked:
"A person who is nice to you but rude to the waiter is not a nice person." A lot of truth there.

Janine. Since coming aboard you have insulted me and stated blatant untruths and I have let these pass. But now you ridicule my friends. This crosses the line with me.

When did you do these things? Let your words speak for themselves.

(1) Insulting and judging me.

You say my responses are "often sarcastic and officious," that they are "belittling, squashing, barraging ridicule."

"But there is an 'underlying intent' to its tone ... one of emotional insincerity and ego unchecked."

"The tone of insincerity and ego I "see," that of a child forsaken and misunderstood needs to be found ..."

"There is a pattern of "un-balanced-ness" in your teaching."

(2) Speaking untruths

"Everyone needs to know how much this membership is polarized, divided, and controlled with 'rules of engagement' to govern free will, etc. Not all is as it seems."

There are many who have been discouraged from participating (whether directly in the forum or privately by email)

JJ Response
Everything is exactly as it seems. As long as members are civil and do not wander too far off topic they are free to say whatever they want. I do not think anyone here could take away your free will if they tried. You make a false accusation here with nothing to back it up.

(3) Name calling and insulting my friends.

Again, let your words speak for themselves.

"Part of the balance forms the 'elite' group or what some of you have coined the "core group" or the "groupies." It is in this group we find duality. (Which Janine calls 'a polite word for hypocrisy') It is the 'elite' group that's motivated by platitudes, and "puffing up their ego.' Their notoriety precedes them, for it is this group that governs the membership."

"However, it is in the 'elite' group I found duality (hypocrisy). It is the 'elite' group that's motivated by platitudes, and "puffing up their ego." By "platitudes", I'm describing the banal process of repeating JJ's stuff for the whole purpose of being seen in his favor, to cite his recognition, of which the most prized is mere mention in his next post, to which ultimately, inflates their ego."

JJ
You call my friends here the "elite," "groupies," "hypocrites," having "puffed up egos," speaking mindless "platitudes" etc.

This you just throw out without citing justification. But even if some members are not perfect there is no reason to attack with judgment and names.

To accuse those who enjoy my teachings as only kissing up to the teacher so they can get a pat on the head yet to say that those who oppose me are courageously using their free will is an unjust comparison. Those who like the teachings here are every bit as courageous as those who disagree.

I am very proud of the members of this list including many who do not agree with me all the time.

However, I want to remind Janine and any others who have issues with me that this is a classroom and as such we require you to speak civilly to each other as well as me, the teacher, and Rick, the principal (new title Rick).

We have been extremely tolerant with the postings allowed through. I do not recall even one being rejected since Janine came on board, but when insults start coming we will draw the line and send them back to the writer for editing.

So let me remind all members to post with civility and avoid accusations. Instead, if you disagree with someone just express your views in plain language with no name calling or inflammatory judgments.

WIT is a good example of this. He disagrees with me regularly but does not result to insulting others to make his point.

We want to change the tone here back to a conducive learning situation.

All who feel out of place here are not under any pressure to stay and be subject to any discomforts of teachings that offend them. No one is trying to take away any free will.

To fear that your free will is being taken away in a class room that you voluntarily join (and can leave at any time), have the freedom to disagree openly with the teacher on any point, and to have your views expressed as long as you are civil - is a stretch indeed.

However, if members do stray too far from the topic or feel the need to express their views with insults then your post may be returned to you.

That said, let us move ahead and learn together.