Allan’s Page #2

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Shalom JJ:

 

It is probably not fare for you to be in this forum which is Mystic-based, and Spiritual-Gnostic.   What you have in the below is theory and philosophical — in that, it is in no manner relevant to the self.   And so long as you and the members of your forum continue to embrace the Eastern paradigm of the soul entering the body from life to life, then you cannot demonstrate where your philosophy is relevant to the Gnostic reality of Know Thyself.   Which of course is paramount to comprehending the spiritual meaning of the Gospel of Thomas and other early Gospel teachings an scriptures.   Such statements made by WomanOfOz where she writes that  the soul submerges into the lower physical realms is from a purely Eastern perspective that promotes a linear concept of Time.

 

So that everyone in this forum knows the basis for you below defense of your idea of Time, I have copied the original series of posts below yours.   It might also do well to point out that the person you portray as Elizabeth is your wife — and the person you portray as John is supposed to be the same person historically known as the disciple John who I believe was a bell-ringer for the Salvation Army, and you used to meet him in Denny’s.

 

As can be seen in the below, my original post was in reply to Jim who accused me of resurrecting all my present knowledge-base by accessing my past lives — in which I attempted to explain that all the previous lives my soul-self lived as were not in the past — but they presently dwell within the Soul Mind-Matrix.   Jim used the term amnesia as applying to the person in this life who does not remember his previous lives when he lived in other bodies — which Eastern teachings portray as the soul passing through the cloud of forgetfulness and not being able to recall their previous lives.   In contradistinction, I maintain that Gospel of Thomas saying 84 is correct, and each life is a new soul-generated image — and therefore, the Eastern concept of soul-amnesia is incorrect — and since all the previous images that did not “manifest” continue to dwell in the Soul Mind-Matrix, then when I communicated with them, I was communicating with these previous personalities in the present.   And I quoted Joseph Smith who evidently knew more than Jim’s guru and yogi friends.

 

One of the vast differences between what you have written as a demonstration of your acceptance of Time in a non-linear manner, is that the links and associated concepts that I present are from a personal and soul-perspective that has to do with the self — as in Know Thyself.  In contradistinction, what you have written is theoretical from the perspective of how you imaging Time from the perception of the vision of God.  And even your portrayal of Elizabeth as speaking to you from the future when she is then Aluma-EL, is from the perspective of Time — in that, you portray Elizabeth as being some other personality other than Elizabeth in the future — rather than Aluma-EL being  an image generated by Elizabeth’s higher soul-self — with Elizabeth continuing to dwell in the Soul Mind-Matrix.  .

 

Now if you don’t agree with Jim’s assessment with respect to the soul entering into the body and being stricken with a form of soul-amnesia, then perhaps you should clarify this in your forum.   If you want to further discuss Time — and personalities transcending Time and coming into the present — then it is one of my favorite subjects.

 

Allan

 

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Subject: [The_Way_of_the_disciple_of_the_Nazirene] On Time

 

 

Since Judy and Allan have been accusing me of being in ignorance because of some “linear” concept of time that I am supposed to be stuck into believing I thought I would clarify my views by posting a few things I have written about the subject. Allan has an excuse or misunderstanding me for he hasn’t read much of my material but I am somewhat perplexed that Judy is stereotyping me since she has read most of my writings.

 

Here are some comments on time from my book The Molecular Relationship:

 

For the rest of the article go HERE

 

 

 

Post #2

Shalom JJ:

 

Are you capable of discussing a foundational paradigm?   And the fact that if the foundational paradigm is in error, then everything built upon that paradigm is also flawed?   While I have many times endeavored to explain what I find flawed in the Eastern paradigm of thinking on the higher reality of the soul, because I don’t agree with the Eastern foundational paradigm, most of what they write about the soul is equally in error.

 

Ra would not disagree with me, because he has personally experienced the higher reality of the soul, and his experiences are parallel to mine.   Do you therefore find fault with Ra’s experiences?   Or the experiences of others who have had parallel perceptions that are the same as ours?   Which provokes the question: Are we allowed to disagree with Bailey and Blavatsky?   Or do you consider their books to be the bottom line of absolute truth that no one can disagree with?

 

I have many times stated that the Eastern path is different than the Western which is Gnostic.   Am I allowed to have this position?   Or do I need your permission to present my positions?   All of which I explain in great depth.   If we are going to have these constructive conversations, we have to first know if we are allowed to disagree with you?   With Bailey and Blavatsky?   Or, with the Eastern mindset?

 

 

Post #3 from One2 to Allan

Re: [Keysters] Re: Dealing with Accusations

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“…….especially if you (WomanOfOz) perceive the reality of the soul differently than the author (Allan).”

 

I have to ask you (Allan), why you wrote “differently than the author (Allan)”? rather than write “differently than the author (me)”.

 

When you write this sentence like this, then it sounds like someone else is writing to me, because you had to point out your name in brackets as Allan, rather than just put “me”, because we know that you are the Author of these writings.  So why talk like you are the 3rd person in the story?

 

“Using the power of empathetic-projection — i.e., suspending one’s own self and projecting into the mind of another person in the attempt to see and understand from their perspective — I can see where you conclude that I am an idiot and a fool.   And in my evaluation of my…..”

 

Empathetic-projection?   Oh you mean “telepathic”…….Guess what?  You are incorrect again, because if you really got into my thoughts, all you would hear would be silence or some song playing.

 

I do not conclude that you are an idiot or fool.   In fact, I think you are quite clever and intelligent.   But I do conclude that you like to “fool” others with your double speak, and that is different to thinking that you are a fool, because I do not think such thoughts about you at all.  If you were really using telepathy, then you would know that, but many of my thoughts come from higher than my brain.  My brain doesn’t function the same way as most normal people’s brain, meaning my thoughts are less involved with my brain and visa versa.

 

Actually I am quite open to Eastern and Western teachings and will study both and I am not prejudice against either of these teachings, as long as they hold Truth within them etc.  What is your opinion of Buddha?

 

I do not understand what you mean by 12 spheres of mind?   We are living in the Universe of 7, so I can only conclude that you are referring to the consciousness of the 12 Disciples, as a single unit of 12(rather than 24 human units)?

 

Let me use your quotation for example and see what I can make of it:

 

The One truth has many sides, and one sees one side only, another, and some see more than others, according as it is given to them.  Behold this crystal; how the one light is manifest in twelve faces, yea four times twelve, and each face reflects one ray of light, and one regards one face, and another, another, but it is the one crystal, and the one light that shines in all.” 

 

I believe that this is talking about the Ancient of Days Crystal (Crown Chakra).  Now this one light from the Most High is reflected, and the one light is manifest in twelve faces (12 Disciples).  

 

“yea four times twelve”……which equals 48 and 4 + 8 = 12 again.  “One ray of light” is talking about the 7 Rays which manifest on and through Earth, and each Ray’s soul contains a different energy of Light e.g. Ray 4 Harmony through Conflict,  Ray 2…..Love/Wisdom etc etc.

 

So in your 12 spheres of Mind……..how do you explain the part about the 4 x 12?

 

We are all reflections of the One………symbolic of the Crystal and Light, and therefore each reflection can contain a ray of light and as each ray of light grows in learning Truth then the many sides start to become joined again. If there are 12 faces/sides on that Crystal and it reflected outwards 4 times, then each face reflects one of the attributes of the Rays of Light (because the first 3 Rays are the major Rays, and the four are the sub rays).

 

Anyway, you won’t understand what I am writing because it may be too Eastern or Western in its flavor?

 

I deliberately used the word “mumbo jumbo” to get your attention, because obviously this word upsets you and has made you emotionally distressed about my use of this word.  Therefore, I have to ask you why this word is like an emotional trigger point for you?  Is it because you know deep down that it is true?   If your teachings were less glittery and more digestible, and written more clearly, then maybe it might be easier for people to read.  For this word to upset you this much, then it means that you are consciously aware, that there may be some truth in what I say, and this has caused you upset.   If there was no truth in what I said, then you would not be affected by this word as much as you have, and you are putting words into my mouth, by trying to make it appear that I have called you a fool or idiot when I have never used these types of words towards you. 

 

However, I am only stating what I see in your writings, just as you have stated many times what you see (in us and JJ).

 

 

Post #4 Oct 16, 2014

Re: [Keysters] Re: Allan’s Post

Shalom JJ:
The resources on http://TheConsecratedLife.com all disagree with you.   Even the early critics of the Ebionite Nazirenes acknowledged that they were vegetarians — i.e., Epiphanius states: “Eating meat is abominable to them….” (Panarion, 19:28-30).   There is an important reason why being a vegetarian was ultra-important to the original teachings of TheWay.   In like manner, there was an important reason why being a vegetarian was important to my own higher soul-self.   As well as that of my wife and others.
Now, if you don’t want to agree with what has been presented, that is your choice.   But, it is apparent in your lack of understanding with respect to the higher reality of the soul, the spiritual meaning of the scriptures, and the very carnal understanding of the realities of this world that you embrace.   The fact that you ignore even your own AAB readings — as well as those sources on the above link — means that you will reject whatever does not conform to your mindset and lifestyle.   
Ra attempted to convey to you his own experiences even before he met me, and you reject his witness.   Others have in like manner had parallel experiences, yet you attempt to portray them as my followers.   You do this because the truth and facts are inconvenient to you.   This is your right.   But your lack of understanding of the higher realities of the soul and the body of important esoteric wisdom and knowledge, is directly attributable to your rejection of these essential truths.   
Personally, I agree with Alice Bailey that one must be a vegetarian and seeker of truth for at least ten (10) years, to be able to access the Higher Knowledge. In your own words: “I eat meat and drink some wine to keep me grounded and focused where I need to be at present” — and you have succeeded in being grounded.   But don’t for a minute think that a person who is grounded can accomplish what one who is not grounded can.
Allan
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JJ
In your dreams. You seem to think that if you say a thing with no proof that is enough for proof for your followers.  Maybe it is.
You do not need  to be a vegetarian to discern the truth of higher realities or to ascend to the formless worlds to discern principles. Vegetarianism increases sensitivity for those who have not mastered the emotional body and helps them out and makes reading the akashic records easier as AAB says. Once the emotions are mastered vegetarianism isn’t a big deal as it is important to be a vegetarian as you are in the process of controlling them.  I have been a vegetarian – raw foods diet – for part of my life and know the difference.  I can tell the earthy pull from a meat diet but have power to override it, so my only reason to switch to vegetarian diet now and then is my health. Eating some meat helps keep me grounded in this physical reality which is important for me at the moment.
One size does not fit all as  some literalists here seem to think.
Allan:
The time has come for you to repent of your evil ways and mindset.
JJ
Really, Allan.  Can you be in any greater violation of Jesus’ command on judgment than this?
Since you keep bring up this subject I will soon make a more thorough post on diet & spirituality.

Post # 5

Re: [Keysters] Re: Allan’s Post

 

The resources on http://TheConsecratedLife.com all disagree with you.   Even the early critics of the Ebionite Nazirenes acknowledged that they were vegetarians — i.e., Epiphanius states: “Eating meat is abominable to them….” (Panarion, 19:28-30).   There is an important reason why being a vegetarian was ultra-important to the original teachings of TheWay.   In like manner, there was an important reason why being a vegetarian was important to my own higher soul-self.   As well as that of my wife and others.

 

Now, if you don’t want to agree with what has been presented, that is your choice.   But, it is apparent in your lack of understanding with respect to the higher reality of the soul, the spiritual meaning of the scriptures, and the very carnal understanding of the realities of this world that you embrace.   The fact that you ignore even your own AAB readings — as well as those sources on the above link — means that you will reject whatever does not conform to your mindset and lifestyle.

 

Ra attempted to convey to you his own experiences even before he met me, and you reject his witness.   Others have in like manner had parallel experiences, yet you attempt to portray them as my followers.   You do this because the truth and facts are inconvenient to you.   This is your right.   But your lack of understanding of the higher realities of the soul and the body of important esoteric wisdom and knowledge, is directly attributable to your rejection of these essential truths.

 

Personally, I agree with Alice Bailey that one must be a vegetarian and seeker of truth for at least ten (10) years, to be able to access the Higher Knowledge. In your own words: “I eat meat and drink some wine to keep me grounded and focused where I need to be at present” — and you have succeeded in being grounded.   But don’t for a minute think that a person who is grounded can accomplish what one who is not grounded can.

 

Allan

 

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Subject: [Keysters] Re: Allan’s Post

 

 

JJ

In your dreams. You seem to think that if you say a thing with no proof that is enough for proof for your followers.  Maybe it is.

 

You do not need  to be a vegetarian to discern the truth of higher realities or to ascend to the formless worlds to discern principles. Vegetarianism increases sensitivity for those who have not mastered the emotional body and helps them out and makes reading the akashic records easier as AAB says. Once the emotions are mastered vegetarianism isn’t a big deal as it is important to be a vegetarian as you are in the process of controlling them.  I have been a vegetarian – raw foods diet – for part of my life and know the difference.  I can tell the earthy pull from a meat diet but have power to override it, so my only reason to switch to vegetarian diet now and then is my health. Eating some meat helps keep me grounded in this physical reality which is important for me at the moment.

 

One size does not fit all as  some literalists here seem to think.

 

Allan:

The time has come for you to repent of your evil ways and mindset.

 

JJ

Really, Allan.  Can you be in any greater violation of Jesus’ command on judgment than this?

 

Since you keep bring up this subject I will soon make a more thorough post on diet & spirituality.

 

 

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Re: [Keysters] Allan’s Post

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Shalom Seekers:

 

One thing that is consistent with JJ is the fact that no matter how many times you state a principle or truth to him, he will ignore or fail to understand what you are saying — and continue to repeat the same old rhetoric.   No matter how many times I have attempted to explain to JJ that BY DIVINE DESIGN, not only does everyone see a different message in the scriptures — but the fact is that they are supposed to see a different message in the scriptures — and when the Key of Knowledge is properly utilized, what is presented in the scriptures is not only a personal meaning to the reader — but a blueprint of the workings of their own mind.   On at least a half dozen different instances I have explained to JJ why it is stated in the Homilies that NO ONE should (1) attempt to decipher the meaning from the perspective of organic human reasoning; (2) and that NO ONE should decipher the meaning of the scriptures by taking an external interpretation — i.e., quoting Peter in the Homilies: “…therefore great care is to be taken, that when the law of God is read, it be not read according to the understanding of our own mind. For there are many sayings in the divine Scriptures which can be drawn to that sense which every one has preconceived for himself; and this ought not to be done. For you ought not to seek a foreign and extraneous sense, which you have brought from without”.   And as many times as I have discussed this reality of scripture with JJ, he can’t seem to grasp its principles.

 

What I personally see in the Gospel of Thomas, is very different than any of the interpretations supplied by his forum members.   Yet, JJ can’t grasp the principle that the purpose of the scriptures is to bring about and initiate the process of self-discovery — and if I provide the meaning that I see, then I would negate the very purpose and objective of the scriptures.   And while I explained this to JJ, he does not seem capable of comprehending what I am attempting to convey to him.   So, like a parrot (sorry, Socrates, Cosmo and Zeus who are my parrots),  JJ keeps parroting the same words without ever understanding the reason I would not provide his forum with my interpretation of the Gospel of Thomas — or, why what I see in the scriptures is not the same as what him and his forum members see.   And since the scriptures are in fact a catalyst for self-discovery, then if I were to provide my interpretation, then I would be robbing his forum members of the means to bring about that condition to Know Thyself.

 

While these concepts are totally new to JJ, he will continue to parrot the rhetoric that I have nothing new to say.  I could discuss the nature of scriptures with those who were willing to consider what I say, for at least a week straight.   The objective of the scriptures is to Know Thyself — as stated in the Gospel of Thomas: But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty”

 

Allan

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Keysters] Allan’s Post

 

 

He was responding to something I said and on thinking about it perhaps I should cover the subject of diet and spirituality some more.  Then, for the first time, Allan can actually post on topic. But, of course, he also expressed a lot of interest on the Gospel of Thomas but didn’t participate at all on that one.

 

The one benefit of critics like Allan is they often bring up subjects that need greater explanation.

 

Anyway, he made another post and since only a few would be interested in reading it I posted it on his outer darkness web page.  It is Post #4

 

Post #7

Spiritual Sanctuary – Re: Allan’s Post
Shalom Judy:
To a seeker, the quotation of Alice Bailey that you have presented in the below is of the utmost importance.   Not only that, but it confirms the statements of Charles Fillmore as quoted at http://ebionite.com/vegetarian.htm#unity (quoting):
I have in years of experiment tested the effect in mind and body of meat-eating and non-meat-eating, and I feel that I am more competent to judge of the effects than one who theorizes about the question.
Some sixteen years ago [i. e., 1887] when I began the study of Truth I was told that it made no difference what I ate if I was in the right thought. This seemed to prove true up to a certain point in my experience. While my spiritual development was confined to the conscious mind there seemed no special need of food discrimination. But gradually a new phase set in. I found that I was having vibrations in the sympathetic nerve centers — the subconscious mind was being quickened, and I was becoming a conscious vital battery. The vital currents gradually grew stronger and stronger until I could hardly control them. Appetite, passion, emotion, etc., were greatly increased. Then my prayers for guidance were answered and a system of communication set up with the higher realms of consciousness. I was shown that the food that entered the organism had to pass through a process of regeneration every day before it was in condition to be built into the new body of Christ. Just how to carry on this regenerative process in the various subconscious centers was also shown, and here is where I discerned the effects of food in body building.
The vitalizing element in food is contained in the cell, which may be termed a mind battery vibrating with intelligence, force, and substance. These elements are present in the living cell — dead cells are those in which intelligence and force have withdrawn and inanimate substance only remains. Man appropriates these cells and they become part of his consciousness according to his capacity to use them. Those who have not developed the capacity to consciously regenerate the cells get but a small part of their energies. (First published in the October 1903 issue of Unity Magazine, Volume 19, number 4)
On the process of transforming the body in order to enable it to begin to accommodate man’s innate higher soul and spiritual natures, Charles Fillmore wrote: “I can say about flesh eating that the Spirit has shown me repeatedly that I could not refine my body and make it a harmonious instrument for the soul, so long as I continued to fill it with the cells of dead animals” (The Vegetarian, May, 1920).   And thus, when Yeshua/Jesus states in the Gospel of the Nazirenes (see Gospel) “And again that one asked, If anyone comes to us who eats flesh and drinks strong drink, how shall we receive them? And Yeshua said to him, Let such a person abide in the outer court until they cleanse themselves from these grosser evils; for till they perceive, and repent of these, they are not fit to receive the higher mysteries.” — it is not that the knowledge of the Higher Mysteries are being held back — but rather, that those areas of the mind that vibrate at the higher frequencies and are able to receive and manifest the knowledge of Higher Mysteries, remains undeveloped in those people who consume a meat-based diet.   And while Charles Fillmore was a man of extraordinary faith and belief, he could in no manner begin to move onto a higher plane of understanding and spirituality, untile he first ceased to fill his body with the flesh of slain beasts.   Again, as stated in the Gospel of the Nazirenes: And Yeshua said to them, “They, whose hands are stained with blood, or whose mouths are defiled with flesh, or they who partake of benefits which are gotten by wronging one of God’s creatures, cannot be righteous; nor can they touch holy things, or teach the mysteries of the kingdom.”
Is the words of Charles Fillmore any different than those of Alice Bailey who writes that: The building in of matter of the higher subplanes and the elimination of the lower and coarser matter. This is needed because it is impossible for those with coarse bodies to contact high vibration. It is impossible for the Ego to transmit the higher knowledge and guidance through a coarse physical body. It is impossible for the loftier currents of thought to impact the little evolved physical brain. Hence the refinement of the physical body is an essential.
While Alice Bailey states that the period of time necessary for this transformation to be brought about is ten (10) years, my own higher soul-self puts the time-period as seven (7) years.  But more important is the fact that this necessary diet should have been an integral part of JJ’s teachings with respect to creating the environment within the seekers own mind and being that will enable those he teachers to begin to comprehend the higher esoteric knowledge.   And when you add to Bailey and Fillmore the teachings of the Ebionite Nazirene disciples of Jesus as set forth at http://TheConsecratedLife.com , there is simply no way that either JJ or his followers could comprehend the higher reality of the soul and the Mysteries of the Kingdom without first making serious changes in their daily lives.   
Admittedly, being a vegetarian in an uber-meat eating culture is not easy.   But such is the realities of life.   My wife and I have been strict vegetarians — never once consuming dead flesh — for nearly 40 years.   We have eight (8) children who we raised vegetarian — and with the exception of two of them, they were all homeschooled.   Our initial diet was dictated directly by our higher soul-selves: No dead flesh.  No white refined flour, sugar or rice.  No processed foods — especially those containing food-coloring, preservatives, additives or chemicals.  And we were to cleanse the inside of the body with pure distilled/RO water.    We were told to eat raw once a day.  Then there was the Edgar Cayce apple-diet — as well as other colon and inner cleansing.      
JJ’s concept of a group of people working together to manifest the necessary spiritual environment — while not exactly parallel to my own which I have written about at great length in the posts in the Library (seehttps://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NazireneLibrary/info ) — should be the main priority of the people in both forums.   As a spiritual community of seekers, we should be able to grow our own food — support ourselves without having to be dependent upon the culture of this world — and we should provide a Spiritual Sanctuary where sincere seekers can come and embrace the healing in the environment that is set apart from the ways and thinking of this world.   
We must seek to become the Light that we desire to see in the world.   
Allan

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JJ, You said:
“That is NOT what she said. You keep following this pattern of saying me, AAB or someone else says something they did not say.”
Shalom Allan,
Here is an excerpt from AAB that confirms your and Dina’s statements. Vegetarianism as a catalyst to reach the higher subplanes which would include the INTUITIVE PLANE.
The Training of the Physical Body

This involves certain definite requirements:

The building in of matter of the higher subplanes and the elimination of the lower and coarser matter. This is needed because it is impossible for those with coarse bodies to contact high vibration. It is impossible for the Ego to transmit the higher knowledge and guidance through a coarse physical body. It is impossible for the loftier currents of thought to impact the little evolved physical brain. Hence the refinement of the physical body is an essential. It is effected in various ways, all of them reasonable and utilitarian.
  • By pure food. This involves a vegetarian diet, chosen with wise discrimination; it requires the eating of only those vegetables and fruits that vitalize. Careful judgment shown in the choice of food, wise refraining from too heavy eating, and a little pure good food perfectly assimilated are all that a disciple requires. You ask what foods? Milk, honey, whole wheat bread, all the vegetables that contact the sun, oranges (above all, oranges), bananas, raisins, nuts, some potatoes, unpolished rice, and may I again reiterate, just as much of all the above as to insure activity.
  • By cleanliness. Much use of water, externally and internally, is vitally required.
  • By sleep. This should be always between the hours of ten in the evening and five in the morning, and as much as possible out of doors.
  • By sunshine. Contact with the sun should be much sought after, and the vitalization that comes through its rays. The sun kills all germs and frees from disease.
Excerpt is from Letters on Occult Meditation, by AA Bailey, Lucis Publishing
-Judy


—In The_Way_of_the_disciple_of_the_Nazirene@yahoogroups.com, <jjdewey@…> wrote :

Allan:

Personally, I agree with Alice Bailey that one must be a vegetarian and seeker of truth for at least ten (10) years, to be able to access the Higher Knowledge.
JJ
That is NOT what she said. You keep following this pattern of saying me, AAB or someone else says something they did not say.

Post #8

Scripture Interpretation – Re: Allan’s Page
Shalom Johann:
Your interpretation of my words is not what I am attempting to convey.   The objective and purpose of the scriptures is to initiate the process of mental-expansion and higher enlightened spiritual attainment.   Therefore, the scriptures must become a mirror that acts as a catalyst for the reader who is in pursuit of self-knowledge.   Each person often sees a different message — a different meaning — when they read the scriptures.   And this is important for the reader in pursuit of self-knowledge.   
Each person exists under different Laws — they enter into this life with vastly different past-life experiences and Spiritual DNA derived from their higher soul-self — and what they perceive in the scriptures, is important for them in their process of mental and spiritual development.   The only rule with respect to using the scriptures as the Key of Knowledge ( http://KeyOfKnowledge.org ), is that all interpretations must be internalized — i.e., turned within one’s own mind and being.   And this is why such emphasis is placed upon the knowledge of what can be called the Cosmology of Mind and Being — and the fact that what each person sees when they look at the scriptures, is in fact that pattern and reality of their own self. Therefore, the scriptures must be understood as a means to bring about one’s own self-discovery in the process of coming to Know Thyself.   
What I see in the scriptures, will be very different than what someone else sees — similar to looking into a mirror.   The only right interpretation, is the unique reflection of self that you see.   The objective is to begin to see more — and this can only be accomplished when you begin to develop the Intuitive spheres of mind that have the ability to look inwardly.   What does the twelve disciples represent within your own mind?   The Jews?   Moses? Jesus?   Mary?   And every other person, place, thing, event, or portrayed reality that you find in the scriptures.   The more enlightened a person becomes, the more they recognize that from the reality of the divine holographic pattern, whatever exits in the outer world, not only exists in the inner world — and your own thoughts and perception is the product of your own inner condition that you must seek to understand.   Again, perhaps the best statement of this reality is expressed in the Delphic Oracle in the words: “Heed these words, you who wish to probe the depths of Nature: If you do not find within your Self that which you seek, neither will you find it outside.  If you ignore the wonders of your own House, how do you expect to find other wonders?  In you is hidden the Treasure of Treasures.  Know Thyself and you will know the Universe and the Gods.”    Which provokes the question: How can it even be stated: “If you do not find within your Self that which you seek, neither will you find it outside”??? 
If I tell you what I see in the scriptures, then I would be robbing you of the reflective-mirror intended to bring about your own self-discovery and eventual enlightenment.   Let me repeat a statement that the members of my forum have heard countless times: The higher soul-self (or True Self) of the most ignorant person walking the face of the earth, knows infinitely more than all the wisdom and knowledge that is contained in all the Libraries and books the world over.   Which means that the only requirement with respect to the knowledge of all the mysteries of this life, is to Know Thyself.  The objective of the scriptures is therefore an oracle of reflective self-knowledge.   One of the interpretations of the second saying of the Gospel of Thomas is: Jesus says: “Let him who seeks cease not to seek until he finds: when he finds he will be astonished; and when he is astonished he will wonder, and will reign over the universe!”    Holographically, the universe that is portrayed is the universe that exists within your own self.   And this is why when the Key of Knowledge is properly applied, no interpretation of the scriptures portrays any person, place, thing or event as being outside of your own mind and being.       
Allan
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From: “johannarnars@simnet.is [Keysters]” <Keysters@yahoogroups.com>
To: Keysters@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:16 AM
Subject: [Keysters] Re: Allan’s Page
Just a few words:
“No matter how many times I have attempted to explain to JJ that BY DIVINE DESIGN, not only does everyone see a different message in the scriptures — but the fact is that they are supposed to see a different message in the scriptures — and when the Key of Knowledge is properly utilized, what is presented in the scriptures is not only a personal meaning to the reader — but a blueprint of the workings of their own mind.”
“JJ keeps parroting the same words without ever understanding the reason I would not provide his forum with my interpretation of the Gospel of Thomas — or, why what I see in the scriptures is not the same as what him and his forum members see.   And since the scriptures are in fact a catalyst for self-discovery, then if I were to provide my interpretation, then I would be robbing his forum members of the means to bring about that condition to Know Thyself.”
We see what we see out of Thomas and Allan sees what he sees and yet our way is the wrong
way and his is the right way and therefore Allan destroys his own words.
We see what we see through our own minds and we have a right to do that but according to him
we are not allowed to, not allowed to know ourself through our own minds.
This does not add up, plain and simple.
What do you say to something like that, really?

 

 

 

7 thoughts on “Allan’s Page #2

  1. Charles Fillmore studied EASTERN religions also. So I don’t know why Allan is so against Eastern religions, yet quotes Fillmore.

    “In his later years, Fillmore felt so young that he thought that he might be physically immortal, as well as believing that he might be the reincarnation of Paul of Tarsus.[8] Charles Fillmore was an ethical vegetarian who did not eat animal flesh. He refused to wear leather and fur.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fillmore_(Unity_Church)

    So did he live to be an Immortal? No, he died of old age, regardless of his vegetarian diet.

    R

    1. Shalom RuthJ, yes, maybe Mr. Fillmore would still be with us IF he had eaten the “meat” that Yeshua dieted on:

      Jn 4:34 Yeshua saith unto them, My “meat” is to do the WILL of Him that sent Me, and to finish His WORK.

      It takes eating “meat” to accomplish “work,” and we KNOW what WORK that Yeshua and Elohim are engaged in:

      Jn 6:28 – 6:29

      28 Then said they unto Him, What shall we do, that we might work the work of Elohim?
      29 Yeshua answered and said unto them, This is the WORK of Elohim, that ye BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT.

      Now, you can ONLY work when there is LIGHT, and didn’t Yeshua say that He was a LIGHT into the world:

      Jn 12:44 – 12:46

      44 Yeshua cried and said, He that believeth on Me (doing the WORK of Elohim), believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me.
      45 And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me.
      46 I AM COME A LIGHT INTO THE WORLD, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness.

      But then, Yeshua stated that NIGHTTIME comes where NO ONE can WORK (to believe on the One whom Elohim has sent):

      Jn 9:4 – 9:5

      4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
      5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

      Yeshua LEFT, He departed, and nighttime came where no one could “believe in the One whom Elohim had sent”, that is, to accomplish Elohim’s WORK, and many lying and deceitful spirits went out into the darkness to deceive the world after the departure of Messiah and His Body. These lying and deceitful spirits presented a foundation that Allan has built his Tower of Babel upon, and that is why his language is so confusing for everyone to comprehend.

      But enough on Allan. It is apparent that Mr. Fillmore was in darkness, and couldn’t SEE to DO the Work of Elohim, or even to EAT the same Meat that Yeshua dieted on, and this is why he died, and did not remain healthy. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

  2. Shalom, what Allan fails to acknowledge or understand is that those who are coming out of confusion/Babylon do have an obligation to TEACH, and give understanding to what is written in the Law/Torah:

    Neh 8:7 – 8:9
    (7) Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people [stood] in their place.
    (8) So they read in the book in the law of Elohim distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused [them] to understand the reading.
    (9) And Nehemiah, which [is] the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said unto all the people, This day [is] holy unto Yahweh your Elohim; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.

    And if he continues to foolishly deny what is WRITTEN in the Law/Torah (namely, Yeshua’s suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection) he will continue to show that he is dwelling in the Spiritual poverty of confusion/Babylon, following the designs and teachings of deceptive spirits, and will not be able to “read distinctly,” or “give the sense,” or “cause the people to understand the Law.” His refusal to eat the Spiritual MEAT of the Gospel, is evidence of his WEAK faith (Rom 14:2) in causing him to not be a TEACHER of the One True Gospel (2 Tim 1:10-11). This is why Paul warned (1 Tim 4:1-5) of deceptive spirits that would arise and teach the foolish to abstain from creatures that Elohim blessed us to eat through His Word (Lev 11 & Deu 14), and become vegetarians. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

  3. “Your interpretation of my words is not what I am attempting to convey. The objective and purpose of the scriptures is to initiate the process of mental-expansion and higher enlightened spiritual attainment. Therefore, the scriptures must become a mirror that acts as a catalyst for the reader who is in pursuit of self-knowledge. Each person often sees a different message — a different meaning — when they read the scriptures. And this is important for the reader in pursuit of self-knowledge.”

    I knew that, now how is one supposed to do that if not through the mind? Different meanings and
    interpretations all come through the mind and you say that this is important for the reader in pursuit of
    self-knowledge. Yet we are not allowed to come up with our own interpretations without us being
    wrong in your eyes.

    That is because you have discovered the right meaning of the encoded scriptures through the
    secret key of knowledge. The DIVINE gnosis and are supposed to be DIVINE through your way
    of diet, that is your key. Or rules and regiment and the DIVINE gnosis of carnal (flesh) form. And
    yet that gnosis has not produced any knowledge of substance.

    Yet in your eyes you hold all knowledge and truth with the control, arrogance and power that you
    attach to it.

    But is is based on nothing. What a sad little man you are.

    “Holographically, the universe that is portrayed is the universe that exists within your own self. And this is why when the Key of Knowledge is properly applied, no interpretation of the scriptures portrays any person, place, thing or event as being outside of your own mind and being.”

    If that is true, that you are your own little universe locked inside of yourself with no real means
    of breaking out of that shell, then no wonder that you are dead inside and can’t hold your temper.

    A classic case of narcissism.

    Bye bye.

  4. I still have NO clue what the Key of Knowledge IS, that you teach about so much but do not explain the principle of this Key.

    All I hear is do not eat meat, sugar, wheat, dairy…..live like the Amish and Know Thyself.

    Guess I won’t Know myself then, because I drink wine, eat dairy, bread, sugar and meat! So under your terms and conditions I will never Know Myself, reach my higher soul self, or interpret the Scriptures.

    I will remember that when I am talking with the Christ when He reappears.

    R

  5. Allan says this:

    “And since the scriptures are in fact a catalyst for self-discovery, then if I were to provide my interpretation, then I would be robbing his forum members of the means to bring about that condition to Know Thyself.”

    Allan uses hypnotism to snare his pupils. Beware.

    He teaches that the scriptures are a catalyst for self discovery, yet he continues to have webpages of his interpretations written about the scriptures and takes quotes from other writers to back up his repetitive thought form and mind set. Allan doesn’t even know himself because he is snared in his own creation of thought, and believes he is teaching the Truth to finding The Way.

    The Truth doesn’t need all the glitter and glam covering all your web pages Allan. You use this style and method to hypnotise your readers, and you write in a way that just goes around in circles until the reader is confused.

    If the scriptures are a catalyst for self discovery, then why are you spreading your teachings around so much and quoting other people to back up your strange theories?

    People don’t need your writings, if all they have to do is read the scriptures themselves and make their own self discoveries from them.

    Hey ?

    Ruth

  6. Allan says this:

    ” But don’t for a minute think that a person who is grounded can accomplish what one who is not grounded can.”
    Allan

    So in all these years of you being on a vegetarian diet Allan, what can you accomplish on Earth to help save humanity and help move the Plan forwards?

    Do you know how to stop the Ebola virus? Do you know how to conquer ISIS? Do you know how to bring Heaven on Earth and create 1,000 years of Peace? These are things that Jesus spoke about, yet you claim to be His brother, but have no clue on how to bring Peace to Earth, and I say this, because you are so much like a Beast in your approach to telling JJ and his members how wrong we are and how right you are and how much you know and how little we know, but at least JJ has a plan and JJ teaches about the Molecule and the Gathering Principles.

    You neither teach about these Principles or how to bring Peace to Earth for the next 1,000 years, and how to form a Molecule etc.

    After all Jesus, formed a molecule with His Disciples. 12 x 24 male and female units, so one would think that you would know about the Molecular Principles and how to uplift humanity vibration, so the Christ can reappear.

    So far in your teachings I have not seen or heard one word about these topics.

    You can talk about the Mind until the cows come home, but if you cannot deliver the principles in plain English on how others are to tap into their Soul and Mind, then you are not achieving anything except more astral projections etc.

    Ruth

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